A little bit. You could tell by the way she looked back at him before creeping out of the hotel room while he was sleeping. She looked like she got over it pretty quick though. lol
Kinda like when my liberal whyt professors automatically felt bad for all the Brown and Black students because they assumed we were all poor and grew up in the hood…even though most of us did not. So I went with the narrative and asked for an extension on a project because I was struggling to make ends meat (technically I was struggling but it was because I spent all my money shopping and drinking and needed to work overtime haha) and was granted said extension. No regrets 😂
They used each other. He had a savior complex and she was a scam artist. Only difference is he's unaware of his complex. He thinks he's doing what he's supposed to be doing because of his messed up upbringing.... she, on the other hand, knew exactly what she was doing. Albie is no angel but Lucia is the worst one here because she calculated it all.
I dont really find Albie to be so kind and pure, he wanted something from her like all the other men in her life did. His 'kindness' was more an act of rebelling against his father's actions. After his speech about the Godfather movies being a male fantasy that he hates, I saw him as a virtue-signalling boy who wanted to rebel against his dad. What albie got out of his relationship with Lucia was a sense that he was morally superior. He said he was attracted to wounded birds, you have to wonder if Albie would still be as kind to Lucia after she became successful with her store. Also Lucia doesn't seem interested in Albie at all she just noticed what kind of woman he liked and played into it. She was never able to be herself around him so it doesn't feel like she fell for him.
Agreed!!!!! I was all team Albie, but he betrayed his own mother, literally sold her out and lied to her, in order to keep a sexual relationship with Lucia. He is just another toxic dude pretending to be kind. His view of women is in what they can do for him not seeing them a real people who deserve honesty and autonomy.
Yeah, no. Albie is gonna become a serial killer lmao. The way he nonchalantly blackmailed his father for his own selfish gain was crazy! It solidified the serial killer idea for me when his dad GAVE HIM THE DAMN MONEY!
Albie is trash. He kept asking money from his dad like he worked for it and manipulating his dad to get what he wants. He’s just a woke POS that wanted to get laid.
@@graciegg24 I agree, but it isnt that easy. The show showed him on a turning point. Will he "choose" the same way his father and grandfather already went or will he be able to hold on to his kindness etc.. It´s the same with Harper and Ethan. They found themself in a complex situation with Cameron and Daphne. At least Harper despised the action of the other couple and Albie despised his dad for his action. It was not one big decision, one big act. One little step after the other they got currupted in the end.
He got played so freakin’ HARD, but that’s the consequence of thinking you can buy someone love & loyalty with money. He didn’t love her either… he was simply following in the footsteps of his father & grandfather’s womanizing lifestyle, without seeing the hypocrisy of his own actions.
Exactly. Thats why I dont feel sorry for him, because he got what he wanted. He felt morally superior to his dad, felt like a savior of wounded birds, got sex, kinda fixed some cracks in his family. I'd say it is fair trade, maybe he even got more because the money isnt his. And he isnt even that hurt.
He didn't try to buy her love. He thought he was saving her life. He believed she was in immediate, bodily danger of getting hurt by her pimp. I don't think he thought he was in love, and he never said that. He liked her, was attracted to her, but mostly wanted to make sure she wasn't going to get hurt (or killed).
Reminds me of the scene when Albie is being antagonistic towards his father when his father buys his wife an expensive ring. “You can’t just buy off people, Dad”
Well, the thing is, if he believes he loves her like he's the protagonist of some modern-day fairytale then it's the closest thing he has to actually experiencing love. It's therefore a true sentiment, despite his ignorance regarding how it came to be. Sure, true love is selfless and is not transactional, but he doesn't quite know how to apply that to a real-life scenario, let alone realize that it takes time for something selfish, such as desire (For sex, companionship, validation, and acceptance as a partner), to turn into the real deal.
Of course not. You can see how happy she was at the end by greeting this "bad" Italian guy who is a hotel clerk and not any mafia member, It is a scam and it worked perfectly for her. She knew Albie is not a bad guy, she felt sorry but never cared.
Also, you don’t really need to wait till to end to see it’s a scam. It’s clear from the very beginning that it’s clearly a scam. In episode one she already said she is not working with anybody, she “ set up a profile “ online and that’s how Albie’s dad found her.
The only thing that made me question was when she said she wished more men were like Albie. Turns out she wished more men were easy targets. Dominic, Cameron, and probably most of the men she's been with gave her a hard time. Albie wrapped around her finger and gave her money with little effort
She enjoyed his kindness and sweetness which was a change from her usual clients but she does not want to be owned by anyone. He was a mark and a sweet kid who she enjoyed of a second and pretended that she could be with him, but ultimately she is her own person and he was just a toy. Like her character picture in the opening, it's a cat hunting.. she independent..
Also when they were sitting on the beach she said “You’re gentle, I wish all men were like you” in Italian so he couldn’t even understand her. She said it to herself
It’s funny because Albie told his dad you cannot just pay people for their love but this is exactly what he tried to do to Lucia. I feel that Lucia liked Albie, but not enough to drop her life. She knows how to take the faults (his savior complex and attraction to “wounded” women) of a man and turn it into 🏧. He paid for her services. Most men just want a lay but she provided him a real fantasy 😂
Albie isn’t that innocent, he was literally trying to buy her. If he wanted to “free” her, he would have given the money no strings attached but it seemed it wasn’t the case. He might not realize it now but he’s just like his family.
Exactly!!! At any point in time Albie could’ve said “I don’t wanna be part of your exploitation in that way. Here is how much it would be if we spent the night together, just do whatever you want. He didn’t do that. He likes the feeling of being around her and understood that she only did that for the money. Even after he saw the “mafia” guy he could’ve said “I didn’t know it was that serious. As a concern for your safety and my family’s, here’s enough money to move away from here” and done the devils deal with his dad for that. Albie wanted to in a way “have” Lucia. As long as he paid her she’d keep pretending his “I’m a nice guy” thing isn’t transparent that it’s “I’m a nice guy if I’m interested in you and think I have a chance” as his concerns for Porscha quickly disappeared when he found someone new. At first I was rooting for Albie. He seemed like a great guy all the way up until he tried to pretend that it wasn’t that he didn’t wanna exploit her more when in reality he just didn’t have his own money to keep paying her. He wears the trappings and uses the language of a progressive feminist guy but when it came down to it when given the ability to help a woman get out of a potentially dangerous situation he wouldn’t do it unless he could play the hero that kisses the girl.
He didn't try to buy her love, he thought he might be the only one who could actually save her life because she was a lying c*nt. She said her life was in danger. What a bitch.
Albie always understood there was a good chance that Lucia would screw him over . The morning she left him for good, you can see he was actually awake and opened his eyes as soon as the door closed; he knew she was gone forever but didn’t even care . The worst part about him is that he realizes he’s a young, naïve, rich simp but it doesn’t bother him since he figures he has helped a less fortunate person out, in this case with daddy‘s money.
I think she did care about Alblie, she just cared about money more. Which tbh her actions make sense, because people giving up their pursuit of their dreams and chosen career of getting money from men for a soft boy they’ve known for two days is the kind of stuff of fantasy.
Great video! Personally, I hope she didn't care about him. Dude sold out his own mother for a woman he just met. Just like his father chasing instant gratification. Sorry, but he isn't a nice guy. The men in that family treat women as commodities that only deserve protection when they serve them. He is just another version of his father. Though I suppose that is the point, to show that Albie presents as benign and as the sweet "nice guy" who is morally superior, but what he is doing is just a less obvious version of what his father is doing. At least his father knows what he is doing is wrong.
This is very well put together. Also, Albie was showing signs of trying to control Portia. He was doing "nice guy acts" like walking her to her bed. When really he was doing that to make sure that she won't be having fun with anyone else. Or when he wanted her to stop talking to a new guy by asking her to come to the sun beds.
now that the season is over, i watched again and i'm watching season 1again, and i think actually Greg target Tanya since the beginning, and maybe Tanya wasnt the first. when Greg said to her that he married 3 times and that she was the 4, i think he always scammed women, and probably he and Quentin never lost touch with each other.
I feel like him and his father and grandfather were all the same just in different fonts. Grandfather very direct and unapologetic, the father very secretive and behind closed doors, and Albi “nice guy” facade. But in the end when they all looked at the one girl at the airport you realize that they are the same. Thinking about women as an object
In some ways, Dominic was the most evolved, because he was very clear with himself that his extra marital affairs were indeed wrong, and were causing pain to his loved ones. He knew he had fucked up. He felt remorse. The grandfather acted like his philandering was sort of the natural order of things, and Albie had a savior complex, but they sought to control women/objectify them without taking accountability.
This is slightly off topic from this video commentary but I realized Lucia is parallel to season 1’s Belinda the massage therapist. Both Belinda and Lucia had dreams of starting their own businesses but were short of cash. Both are confronted with rich and powerful people who want something from them. However, in season one, the rich and powerful Tanya takes advantage of the poor and powerless Belinda, while Lucia manages to flip the script and take advantage of the rich (Albie and his family) in her small way. It was a bit of vindication on behalf of the working class. TBH though, I have a feeling Lucia won’t follow through in her dream of opening up her own shop and leaving the sex work industry… once you get into it, it becomes extremely difficult to get out of it, and and I doubt 50k euros is enough to completely leave the business. Season 2 had a more uplifting ending than season 1, but it still left me with a twinge of sadness.
true i feel like the less wealthy staff lost in season 1 (armond dies, belina doesn’t get anything, kai gets arrested) but in season 2 the poorer characters win in a sense (lucia gets 50k, mia gets to play piano, valentina more confident in her sexuality, tanya is who dies) …
Albie wanted to help her, so this could enable her to open her shop and get out of the flesh business! When he told Portia "she played me," I didn't sense regret.
I could see a show do really about the Lucia and her friends and family attempting to make a living in Disney land that Sicily has become. When I was in Italy and Sicily in 2016, the country was filled with young people who dreamed of moving to Maimi. The opportunities for economic mobility were very limited. The show would make great tv, especially with the mafia always lurking in the background.
Well Albie never had the best examples of healthy love. So, Albie was just being nice and trying to be different than his father....but he doesn't know how to do that because that's the example he's had all his life
People keep bringing up that he talked to her before he got the money from Dominic but why was it even a thought in the first place? It reminds me of the quote "In the game of patriarchy, women are not the opposing team. They are the ball."
Did she care? It’s possible. She played him, and followed through despite her misgivings and guilt. Albie wasn’t fully played though. He gained experience, a fun time with a beautiful girl in Italy, and perhaps a lifelong lesson on being nice, but not TOO nice. He didn’t seem too bummed out about it. There’s that. Lol
I think she did because she albie genuinely liked her despite being what she is. She probably never had a "client" look and treat her the way he did. He even offered for her to go to LA with him. She seen that albie was this good guy with a "be the prince charming and save the girl" complex and she took advantage of that cooking up a grand scheme. In the end, the love for money and her freedom to do as she pleases without having to be tied up to a person was greater.
Oh great analogy In the end, I thought she was going to be in a relationship with Albi and tie herself into a rich family (and become a Daphne) but you are right, I think her love for money and her own freedom (and life in Sicily) was stronger.
Not only that, but realistically she knew that the relationship would be a dead end since he knew she was a hooker and would eventually find out she slept with his dad
Albie is a “nice guy” in a way to. He doesn’t lash out at rejection but when he had a few conversations with a girl he was walking up to interrupt her conversation with another guy. When he sees Lucia’s “pimp” I saw that as Albie seeing competition and feeling emasculated by him. Which is why he felt more inclined to pay the money. Albie saw in Lucia an opportunity to be the hero nice guy that gets the girl. He doesn’t care about who the girl is or her actual situation, he just wants to be the hero who gets the girl. If he wanted to just give her money to get out of the situation then he could’ve but he wanted to keep sleeping with her. I think Lucia played a part in keeping him in the mindset and conforming to the role but in my opinion Albie didn’t truly care for Lucia and Lucia didn’t care about Albie.
Albie was a mark from the jump. I think it was kind of telegraphed as soon as they introduced the “pimp” character (He hadn’t been brought up at all beforehand). Albie might have made Lucia realize not ALL men are garbage, but that’s it.
I'm with you! I was team Lucia. I didn't even want to consider that she was playing Albie. There are two reasons for that, I believe. Maybe I'm a little like Albie. AND as much as I loved Lucia as a character and believe Simona Tabasco is a fine actress, something was a little off there, probably a red herring on Mike White's part. Despite clues in the plot, Lucia's facial expressions were too sincere, not enough side glances or subtle acting techniques to indicate that maybe something's not as it appeared. Also. I do believe, like all of White's characters, she is complex. She's clearly capable of tenderness and love but has a determination to rise above her circumstances. That was apparently her driving force. When all is said, I was disappointed but oddly remain team Lucia. The upbeat music at the end, her joy walking down the street with her friend, the GREAT dress, the glance in her dream shop window, showed she's probably going to get ahead, unlike Kai and Belinda in White Lotus season one. Those disappointments were heartbreaking. Also, I think her relationship with Albie will leave a lasting, albeit subtle mark on her psyche. And, in the end, Albie's family really didn't take much of a hit. Albie helped reunite his parents, hopefully he learned a lesson, and Portia was at the airport to soften the blow. I'm usually not the ends justify the means kinda gal, but hey, it's just TV. 🙂
Of course she liked him more and it was easier to have sex with him than with other clients but she scammed him because he deserved that. The all di grasso family have got a unhealthy relationship with women. Albie is not different.he hasn’t had a good male figure in his family and it shows.
The reason why we want to believe Lucía is not playing him is her micro acting skills, she is just brilliant at expressing guilt with eyes and face expressions
She probably did like Albie and didn't enjoy screwing him over but she went through with it anyway simply bc she needs the money and knows, like the men that take advantage of her, sometimes you have to step over other people to get ahead in life. As a prostitute that has probably seen the worst of men and their intentions she probably knows better than to let her guard down, she knows at the end of the day men will always reveal their ulterior sexual motives, even with the nice guys like Albie it always comes down to a transaction with the expectation of sex.
So you just root for psychopath liars who pretend to be in mortal danger if they aren't saved by a rich white man? That's clearly part of the problem too. Men see women as objects but women see these men as banks. Both sides are wrong.
If anyone cared, I'm happy to report that the Italian dialogues all felt very natural and well written. I don't think they were translated from English, rather the other way around. They also nailed the accents (for the most part) and Sicilian language.
I get that people are interested in her motivations, but I’ve seen people asking “is Portia the REAL villain?” and “did Lucia really care?” And like…How are you so curious about those two when GREG exists??? Also, my spicy hot take is that Ethan is more villainous than Lucia and Mia combined and he’s not even trying to survive, he’s JUST playing with fire.
@@giuseppemasangkayarbi4838 Portia should also think about the long game. Portia was so stressed about work in the start of the show. Getting married into that family seems like financial security for life. Money doesn't buy happiness but it sure helps!
Yeah seeing some of the other comments...I agree with the thesis of this video (that Lucia actually cared about Albie in some way, I felt it too -- you could also use the example of when she told him that "all men should be like him" by the water one time, and in Italian too so that he wouldn't understand). However, the power/wealth difference needs to be focused on more here. Both Albie and Lucia knew his family's money would change her life and barely make an impact on his, so it's not this big "horrible" thing that she played him. It was justice in a way. Still, I think she felt some tenderness from and for him that might show her other ways to be in relationship. Maybe that's what she felt surprised by, and also sad to leave.
Albie didnt really love her or want her to go with him to LA. You can’t get to know someone in a few days, so he loves the idea of her not really her. If I remember correctly he even said his type was damaged women. He was using her to fulfill his savior complex and feel like he is better than his dad and grandad. They both played each other, Lucia now has enough money for her shop and Albie can now victimize himself all his life. I bet he is going to use that story a lot of time with women telling them how he is such a good guy and someone took advantage of him.
She definitely fell in love with Him, She unlike that woman Portia, appreciated the way he treated her, He was sweet and nice to her without pressuring him into anything... But also He is not a saint, she just used the crap out of Him, she knew he would never take her serious.
I think all of the men of Di Grasso family find a way to lure women based on their generation. But in the end all of them were predators who look out for a prey. What really interesting was, all of three men were sweethearts if you take out their obsession with women parts. (which is a very big part.) I loved it when they find they find other Di Grasso family, which were only women and they acted exact different to opposite sex, maybe they didn't want another Di Grasso man who would ruin their lives.
You know how in Game of Thrones, Cersei tells Oberyn how she misses her daughter. Then Oberyn asks Tyrion if Cersei is just b*llshitting him. Tyrion tells Oberyn that Cersei is honest about what she told Oberyn, it was sincere, but she's using that sincerity to manipulate him. Thats the same. Lucia cared about Albie, felt touched about his kindness and innocence, but it made her easier to do her grifting.
No, she never did. Why would you even question? Her character is soooooooo well written and so transparent from the very very very beginning opening scene, you see a piranha fish. Her passive-aggressive nature and her fleeting care about people. She is a woman in constant survival mode and an excessive materialistic girl. She isn't a terrible person. She is simply in survival mode. These the leader of a pack of surviors 😅
Some of the Albie haters puzzle me. Was he flawed? Yes, pretty much like every single character ever. The level of projection on to him by some of these comments are like no other 😂😂😂
I think Albie knew he was being played, and he went along with it. It was a way for him to help her, and also a way for his father to make some sort of penance. I think they genuinely liked each other, and they helped each other in a way that each needed desperately. He told Portia at the airport that he was played, and unless he knew all along, I don't think there was any way for him to figure it out the last day.
knowing that you are getting played for 50 fucking Gs and still going along with it... damn, Albie might just be the most outrageously privileged character on the entire show.
@@jan8742 It was not his money; it was his father's money. Albie didn't see Lucia at all after the money transfer, and he would have had no way of knowing that she was walking around with her blackmailer, which leads me to believe he knew all along what was up. He was good-hearted, but not dumb. He probably also knew that Lucia did have some true affection for him. Like I said, I think it was a way of punishing his father and making him pay for what he had done to his family, and at the same time, to help out a girl who was being used by men like his father.
I wish Lucia stayed the morning and said goodbye to Albie. She already has the money, Albie wont find out about the truth, whats one goodbye to save him from being hurt? But then again, it seemed easy for him to move on and 50k pounds was nothing to them. And it did bring him and his dad closer.
I honestly think that Lucia did care for Albie at first. Also, I really wished that she went with him to LA because that would've been a better ending for me.
She slept with his father, Albie didn't know that. Their relationship didn't have future. Also Albi was not very mature to go in real relationship. He fell for Portia and in short duration after her for Lucia.
I would have liked for her to go with him to LA but for us to see her friendly with Alessio, showing the audience that it was a scam, but delaying the moment of truth until after credits roll. Does she decide to stay with him (unlikely, but plausible), or dump his ass as soon as she arrives stateside.
Its also nice that Albie already put a word in to his mother for his father before the money got wired to Lucia. It showed that Albie did genuinley want to help his dad instead of it being purely transactional.
i think people are missing the point here. He didn't care for the well being of his own mother either. He knew what type of person his father was and how much he hurt her, he didn't care to lie to his mother in exchange of 50K euros so he could have his way with another woman. He knew her mother would end up hurt again because of his father.
@@buunns Everyone here keeps saying Albie "sold his mother out" or something, but has anyone considered that maybe, after spending that time with his father and grandfather, visiting their relatives, etc., that the "good word" that he put in for him was actually sincere? That maybe he actually believed that his father deserved a second chance with his mother? I think the fact that he spoke with his mother about it BEFORE his father agreed to giving the money confirms this. Why wouldn't he have waited until the money was transferred, if it was purely transactional and done out of indifference toward his mother's feelings? To everyone in these comments calling this "blackmail," yeah no. That's not how blackmail works. You don't do the thing BEFORE getting what you demanded. That makes no sense. As for Lucia's character, I can't say I'm surprised by the comments here. This is YT after all, the comments are always full of misogynistic, "all women are evil gold diggers" incel-types, so of course they are incapable of seeing the MASSIVE grey areas when it comes to Albie and Lucia. I guess if you're autistic enough to be incapable of interpreting her facial expressions, you'd miss the clear regret and guilt that she showed. I believe she 100% used Albie, and knew she was using him the entire time, but I also believe that she did feel SOMETHING for him, and in the end did feel some remorse for how she treated him. I think that was pretty goddamn obvious by the 1000x forlorn looks she gave him during the last couple of episodes. But I guess if that goes against peoples' "all women are evil because they won't fuck me" worldview.
@@cloudshad0ws i tend to agree toward this.. a lot people expect the worse about his "red flags" behind the nice guy facade and until the end of the show, albie didn't know about lucia (and mia) with his dad
@@cloudshad0ws i don't agree for the sole purpose that the dad didn't actually do anything to prove he was going to be a better husband. Like at all. Nothing on the trip suggested he was a different person from the start as it related to being a husband. His dad's vice wasn't being an overall prick. It was being a bad husband who cheated. So Albie did use his own mother as a bartering chip without any evidence that she wasn't going to be hurt again.
I see people writing long notes here...Albie was just a simp who got played and Will still get played because he still accepted Portia who chose another guy over him.
She did genuinely like him even though she was playing him. She’s young and inexperienced with her line of work. I was frustrated by the final shot of her walking down the street in a pair of Louboutins, I feel like she is going to blow his money on clothes and remain trapped in the lifestyle.
I genuinely thought she was gonna play the long game and have Albi propose or something. That way she'd have secured herself in a rich family (especially if it eventually lead to marriage). Having said that, I thought also she'd have struggled to leave Mia behind and her roots . I also think she genuinely liked Albi, but ended up focusing on what she wanted/needed to get her started with her business.
@@unicornrainbow222 especially cos they’d have had this huge secret lol … we don’t get to see what happens once they check out of the white lotus, but it’d have been nice to wonder lol
If she truly cared about Albie she wouldn’t have done it. She may have felt a little guilty because he was good to her and gave her freedom but by no means does she care about him
She had to follow through and deceive him. Do you think that the $50,000 was for her alone? She had to pay those that helped her pull it off and the moment when you could see emotion on her face or guilt is just what people who are not completely psychopathic go through. They do feel regret but are nonetheless compelled to follow through. She can be happy in public but when she's in her own head she will feel pangs of guilt. We also can't discount the ark that's taking place on Albee's part. He was around his father and grandfather who had a very different reverence for women. Basically in the end what Lucia does proves that his grandfather and father are not so out of touch with reality when it comes to women and the game will always be played the old way not the woke way
True to an extent but in the end its still his mom's decision, and I think both Albie and his dad know that. We don't know the exact conversation Albie had with his mom, but it sounds like it was more along the lines of "maybe don't be so hard on him" rather than "take him back or I will be upset with you". It's obvious he was using his mom to get something from his dad, but I also don't think he is that selfish, despite how similar he, his dad and grandfather turned out to be
But his father was mourning his marriage and he tried rejecting Lucia’s offer to sleep with him try e second night, so he actually was looking to change his ways.
Lucia gave Albie what he really wanted: A damsel in distress fantasy. She never cared about Albie in a serious way or wanted to be his girlfriend. She loved that Albie was an easy mark and spun the con that pleased Albie's White Knight Savior complex. It was all about the money from the jump.
Lucia got 50k but do you really think she made the right choice.... if she had ended up in LA with Albie she could achieve so much more and complete her dream The sum of money lucia got ,it won't be enough to start a business because she earns 1500-2000 a day usually and spends most of it on dresses and leisure activities
Yes but if she leave to LA, she will lose her freedom and become the person albie wants her to be. Plus with her sleeping with the dad, its gonna be a bomb waiting to blow up. I think the director put 50k as the sum because it is big enough for her to start business by herself, but is not too big that it will last her a long time. Which means that he wants the ending to lucia's story be ambiguous and up to interpretation.
Everyone saying he got played... he didn't. He would've helped her with or without the "Alessio" threat. He wanted to be a savior and manipulate his dad. He got exactly what he wanted out of the situation: sex with Lucia but he "paid" for it and "saved" her AND brought his parents back together.
This is good. While watching I thought Lucia is the perfect match for Albie. Because Lucia is not “broken”, so she will throw his savior complex right back into his face. And that’s exactly what happened- she was the karma for the weird way Albie thinks of women. She sees through his bs. And Lucia is not self absorbed, she just found out how to navigate a disgusting society. However, I think that they are still actually a great match for each other and part of me wishes they do still end up together lol. Even if it’s kinda toxic lmao. Lucia needs someone like Albie that will support her even through ridiculous situations she gets herself into because she’s facing a tough world. In the end he really can be a “good guy” (lol) - for someone like Lucia. She deserves someone that can drum up $50K for her at the drop of a dime. For someone like Portia, who is shallow and self absorbed, that would just be a nightmare relationship. Two rotten personalities together. Albie would become nasty, disgusting, and abusive when he projects a bunch of weird ideas onto Portia, who would in turn retaliate. Portia doesn’t need “saving” or support. She needs an attitude adjustment and a reality check, which she kinda got in the end.
Why can’t both be true? She’s ultimately a pragmatist and would know that the reality of the situation would never pan out. She can totally take advantage of him and genuinely care at the same time. Humans are complex. That’s what makes this show so rewarding. No one is just one thing.
its the whole power dynamic thing, by leaving him means lucia got the upper hand, she got the money and can start whatever the life she wants, if she did settle and let her emotions (if there's any) with albie, then albie and his family will forever got the power over her life.
I think she was just happy that she wasn't treated like a piece of meat (while also eventually getting money out of it). At the very end she takes one final look at Albie before leaving so that kind of says something. The cold hard truth is that both were never going to see each other again and she got 50k out of it. If anything, both parties clearly had no issues moving on easily: Albie with Portia (who is basically the female version of him) and Lucia continuing to live her life with a thicker wallet.
Of you believe this I have a lovely bridge to sell you...Lucia had to dive deep in her con and all that was apart of it. She only had a sense of what it felt like to be in a stable relationship. But it was ALL about the con.
It worked out for the both of them. I think Alphie was happier being a victim rather than being an exploiter. Lucia's big payday soothed his conscience. Both were aware at some level that a lasting LTR was unlikely between an Italian working girl and an American from a rich family.
Lmaooo I knew from the start that she was lying, she never had a pimp the entire show and then all of a sudden episode like five out of eight she’s scared of her pimp? Give me a break, and when she was talking to her friend, she was like he’s sweet and has a lot of money. The first thing she said about him was that he had money. Come on dude I’ll be is literally the guy who like write notes and slips them in the hand of the stripper saying you don’t have to do this anymore. And think she really likes him because he paid her for a private dance. 😂😂 I actually like Albie I think he’s a good person, but yeah
I think when she first met him she enjoyed being with a nice guy and just talking to him normally as a typical young girl meets a boy scenario hence why she didn’t care much about not being paid. But I think the opportunity that arose to change her life around was too big a chance to resist and hence went forward with the scam but we still see genuine moments of conflict within her. I think also it probably sits better with her that she knows the money will be coming from his dad.
Nah, she saw a good mark and did her thing. Maybe from the stand point of "oh, you naive little boy, I guess I'll have to educate you on the world", but that's about it.
She knew she could get away with the plan because the father didn't tell his son that he slept with her. If they had gotten together the truth would've came to light...so take money and run
Yeh - you could see the wheels spinning when he came to her. After that she had him - she could have blackmailed him, and maybe that is why he gave her the money. His son learned a lesson, had a good time, she never told etc.
She cared about him and was torn about it. But in the end she chose money. Her and Mia in 30 years are the Quentin and the gays. This wasn't a feel good story about the two Italians. They both crossed some personal lines and a no regrets. Do you think Quentin and the gays were ok with murder for money 30 years ago?
yes - Mia was worse than Lucia IMO - ruthless. She did not care about that man she nearly killed, or that she took his gig. I was married to a musician. They are truly the worse. Heard it all.
It was a grift. Plan and simple. Maybe she felt a bit of remorse from it bc he was sweet. But she had a plan and executed with the goal of making as much money as possible. She used Albies hero complex and naïveté against him. She got her male friend to act the part to feed into the lie of her escaping her “pimp”. A good grifter is a good actor. They make you think they care about you when in their mind, it’s all calculated. Every face of concern, action of love, regretful looks, etc was all part of the act. It’s what actors call method acting. She was acting a character so much even the audience thought “maybe she does care about him”. Reality, he was a job.
Do you think Lucia actually cared about Albie? Comment your thoughts below!
NOPE
A little bit. You could tell by the way she looked back at him before creeping out of the hotel room while he was sleeping. She looked like she got over it pretty quick though. lol
Not at all. I not think she even own money to anyone, so I think she can stop any time if she feel guilt or care a bit about Albie !
1%: cares about him; 99%: cares about the money.
A little, but not as much as she cares about herself.
Nope. Albie had a savior complex. She knew that and used it.
So in the end, it doesn't matter whether she feels remorseful or not? 👀
Kinda like when my liberal whyt professors automatically felt bad for all the Brown and Black students because they assumed we were all poor and grew up in the hood…even though most of us did not. So I went with the narrative and asked for an extension on a project because I was struggling to make ends meat (technically I was struggling but it was because I spent all my money shopping and drinking and needed to work overtime haha) and was granted said extension. No regrets 😂
Agreed. Lucia gave Albie the White Knight/Damsel in Distress fantasy that Albie wanted so badly.
They used each other. He had a savior complex and she was a scam artist. Only difference is he's unaware of his complex. He thinks he's doing what he's supposed to be doing because of his messed up upbringing.... she, on the other hand, knew exactly what she was doing. Albie is no angel but Lucia is the worst one here because she calculated it all.
I agree but I also think she felt a bit bad about using him
"He was deranged"
"She played me"
"Can I get your number?"
Strangley satisfying ending
Totally agree!
It was my favorite part. They both learned very hard lessons.
Those two have 5 brain cells combined - they belong together 🤣
Two dummies living their dumb lives... but together❤
The way Portia disrespected Albie by rubbing it in his face when she traded up was rude.
Albie should know better than to give her a second shot.
I dont really find Albie to be so kind and pure, he wanted something from her like all the other men in her life did. His 'kindness' was more an act of rebelling against his father's actions. After his speech about the Godfather movies being a male fantasy that he hates, I saw him as a virtue-signalling boy who wanted to rebel against his dad. What albie got out of his relationship with Lucia was a sense that he was morally superior. He said he was attracted to wounded birds, you have to wonder if Albie would still be as kind to Lucia after she became successful with her store. Also Lucia doesn't seem interested in Albie at all she just noticed what kind of woman he liked and played into it. She was never able to be herself around him so it doesn't feel like she fell for him.
Agreed!!!!! I was all team Albie, but he betrayed his own mother, literally sold her out and lied to her, in order to keep a sexual relationship with Lucia. He is just another toxic dude pretending to be kind. His view of women is in what they can do for him not seeing them a real people who deserve honesty and autonomy.
Yeah, no. Albie is gonna become a serial killer lmao.
The way he nonchalantly blackmailed his father for his own selfish gain was crazy! It solidified the serial killer idea for me when his dad GAVE HIM THE DAMN MONEY!
Albie is trash. He kept asking money from his dad like he worked for it and manipulating his dad to get what he wants. He’s just a woke POS that wanted to get laid.
Would he be kind to her after SHE BECOME SUCCESSFUL USING THE MONEY SHE SCAMMED FROM HIM? Doubtful.
@@graciegg24 I agree, but it isnt that easy. The show showed him on a turning point. Will he "choose" the same way his father and grandfather already went or will he be able to hold on to his kindness etc.. It´s the same with Harper and Ethan. They found themself in a complex situation with Cameron and Daphne. At least Harper despised the action of the other couple and Albie despised his dad for his action. It was not one big decision, one big act. One little step after the other they got currupted in the end.
He got played so freakin’ HARD, but that’s the consequence of thinking you can buy someone love & loyalty with money. He didn’t love her either… he was simply following in the footsteps of his father & grandfather’s womanizing lifestyle, without seeing the hypocrisy of his own actions.
Exactly. Thats why I dont feel sorry for him, because he got what he wanted. He felt morally superior to his dad, felt like a savior of wounded birds, got sex, kinda fixed some cracks in his family. I'd say it is fair trade, maybe he even got more because the money isnt his. And he isnt even that hurt.
He didn't try to buy her love. He thought he was saving her life. He believed she was in immediate, bodily danger of getting hurt by her pimp. I don't think he thought he was in love, and he never said that. He liked her, was attracted to her, but mostly wanted to make sure she wasn't going to get hurt (or killed).
True,thats why we see thecthree of them turning their heads starting at one pretty girl at the airport. Great script
Reminds me of the scene when Albie is being antagonistic towards his father when his father buys his wife an expensive ring. “You can’t just buy off people, Dad”
Well, the thing is, if he believes he loves her like he's the protagonist of some modern-day fairytale then it's the closest thing he has to actually experiencing love. It's therefore a true sentiment, despite his ignorance regarding how it came to be.
Sure, true love is selfless and is not transactional, but he doesn't quite know how to apply that to a real-life scenario, let alone realize that it takes time for something selfish, such as desire (For sex, companionship, validation, and acceptance as a partner), to turn into the real deal.
Of course not. You can see how happy she was at the end by greeting this "bad" Italian guy who is a hotel clerk and not any mafia member, It is a scam and it worked perfectly for her. She knew Albie is not a bad guy, she felt sorry but never cared.
Also, you don’t really need to wait till to end to see it’s a scam. It’s clear from the very beginning that it’s clearly a scam. In episode one she already said she is not working with anybody, she “ set up a profile “ online and that’s how Albie’s dad found her.
The only thing that made me question was when she said she wished more men were like Albie. Turns out she wished more men were easy targets. Dominic, Cameron, and probably most of the men she's been with gave her a hard time. Albie wrapped around her finger and gave her money with little effort
Listen to your dad, he knows what´s up. But the hard lesson ended on a positive note for the two.
@@hustleempire6663 cornball
@@hustleempire6663 you didn't even try to disguise your incel fanfic as something believable
She enjoyed his kindness and sweetness which was a change from her usual clients but she does not want to be owned by anyone. He was a mark and a sweet kid who she enjoyed of a second and pretended that she could be with him, but ultimately she is her own person and he was just a toy. Like her character picture in the opening, it's a cat hunting.. she independent..
Also when they were sitting on the beach she said “You’re gentle, I wish all men were like you” in Italian so he couldn’t even understand her. She said it to herself
She said that because he was such an easy mark.
It’s funny because Albie told his dad you cannot just pay people for their love but this is exactly what he tried to do to Lucia. I feel that Lucia liked Albie, but not enough to drop her life. She knows how to take the faults (his savior complex and attraction to “wounded” women) of a man and turn it into 🏧. He paid for her services. Most men just want a lay but she provided him a real fantasy 😂
Albie isn’t that innocent, he was literally trying to buy her. If he wanted to “free” her, he would have given the money no strings attached but it seemed it wasn’t the case. He might not realize it now but he’s just like his family.
Exactly!!! At any point in time Albie could’ve said “I don’t wanna be part of your exploitation in that way. Here is how much it would be if we spent the night together, just do whatever you want.
He didn’t do that. He likes the feeling of being around her and understood that she only did that for the money. Even after he saw the “mafia” guy he could’ve said “I didn’t know it was that serious. As a concern for your safety and my family’s, here’s enough money to move away from here” and done the devils deal with his dad for that.
Albie wanted to in a way “have” Lucia. As long as he paid her she’d keep pretending his “I’m a nice guy” thing isn’t transparent that it’s “I’m a nice guy if I’m interested in you and think I have a chance” as his concerns for Porscha quickly disappeared when he found someone new.
At first I was rooting for Albie. He seemed like a great guy all the way up until he tried to pretend that it wasn’t that he didn’t wanna exploit her more when in reality he just didn’t have his own money to keep paying her. He wears the trappings and uses the language of a progressive feminist guy but when it came down to it when given the ability to help a woman get out of a potentially dangerous situation he wouldn’t do it unless he could play the hero that kisses the girl.
He didn't try to buy her love, he thought he might be the only one who could actually save her life because she was a lying c*nt. She said her life was in danger. What a bitch.
but he did not expect anything from her besides being his girlfriend. he didn't say "i'll give you the money if you do this for me in return".
He's worse. The biggest creep of the show. It's guys like him that are the most likely to abuse
Albie always understood there was a good chance that Lucia would screw him over . The morning she left him for good, you can see he was actually awake and opened his eyes as soon as the door closed; he knew she was gone forever but didn’t even care . The worst part about him is that he realizes he’s a young, naïve, rich simp but it doesn’t bother him since he figures he has helped a less fortunate person out, in this case with daddy‘s money.
I think she did care about Alblie, she just cared about money more. Which tbh her actions make sense, because people giving up their pursuit of their dreams and chosen career of getting money from men for a soft boy they’ve known for two days is the kind of stuff of fantasy.
Great video! Personally, I hope she didn't care about him. Dude sold out his own mother for a woman he just met. Just like his father chasing instant gratification. Sorry, but he isn't a nice guy. The men in that family treat women as commodities that only deserve protection when they serve them. He is just another version of his father. Though I suppose that is the point, to show that Albie presents as benign and as the sweet "nice guy" who is morally superior, but what he is doing is just a less obvious version of what his father is doing. At least his father knows what he is doing is wrong.
This is very well put together. Also, Albie was showing signs of trying to control Portia. He was doing "nice guy acts" like walking her to her bed. When really he was doing that to make sure that she won't be having fun with anyone else. Or when he wanted her to stop talking to a new guy by asking her to come to the sun beds.
now that the season is over, i watched again and i'm watching season 1again, and i think actually Greg target Tanya since the beginning, and maybe Tanya wasnt the first. when Greg said to her that he married 3 times and that she was the 4, i think he always scammed women, and probably he and Quentin never lost touch with each other.
Mike White is a genius. This was played so perfectly on all counts
I feel like him and his father and grandfather were all the same just in different fonts. Grandfather very direct and unapologetic, the father very secretive and behind closed doors, and Albi “nice guy” facade. But in the end when they all looked at the one girl at the airport you realize that they are the same. Thinking about women as an object
Exactly. And the sex between Albie and Lucia- not intimate at all. He was using her body the whole time.
@@sashadmorris 100%
A nice ass is hard not to look at though
In some ways, Dominic was the most evolved, because he was very clear with himself that his extra marital affairs were indeed wrong, and were causing pain to his loved ones. He knew he had fucked up. He felt remorse. The grandfather acted like his philandering was sort of the natural order of things, and Albie had a savior complex, but they sought to control women/objectify them without taking accountability.
She was appreciative of what he gave her then walked out
Nah that whole thing was an act
She thought he was actually nice and she appreciated that
This is slightly off topic from this video commentary but I realized Lucia is parallel to season 1’s Belinda the massage therapist. Both Belinda and Lucia had dreams of starting their own businesses but were short of cash. Both are confronted with rich and powerful people who want something from them. However, in season one, the rich and powerful Tanya takes advantage of the poor and powerless Belinda, while Lucia manages to flip the script and take advantage of the rich (Albie and his family) in her small way. It was a bit of vindication on behalf of the working class.
TBH though, I have a feeling Lucia won’t follow through in her dream of opening up her own shop and leaving the sex work industry… once you get into it, it becomes extremely difficult to get out of it, and and I doubt 50k euros is enough to completely leave the business. Season 2 had a more uplifting ending than season 1, but it still left me with a twinge of sadness.
true i feel like the less wealthy staff lost in season 1 (armond dies, belina doesn’t get anything, kai gets arrested) but in season 2 the poorer characters win in a sense (lucia gets 50k, mia gets to play piano, valentina more confident in her sexuality, tanya is who dies) …
But she’s smart! 50k can definitely get her into a different line of work so she can make more towards the store. She’s my favorite character
@@MiMi-wp3gusame!! She still has a moral compass but more or less Lucia follows her own path for survival
Lucia should’ve asked for 100k
Albie wanted to help her, so this could enable her to open her shop and get out of the flesh business! When he told Portia "she played me," I didn't sense regret.
Yes almost like he expected it.
@@emileehults I mean, heck! He had MULTIPLE orgasms and had fun too! 😂
Yeah ofc, makes sense. He’s not gonna gaf because that wasn’t even his money. It was his dad’s, whom he bribed the hell out of
I almost got the sense that he was happy for her to get started in a new life, even though technically he got scammed.
I hope to see the actress who played Lucia in more stuff coming up.. she's gorgeous!
She could get into modeling too.
I could see a show do really about the Lucia and her friends and family attempting to make a living in Disney land that Sicily has become. When I was in Italy and Sicily in 2016, the country was filled with young people who dreamed of moving to Maimi. The opportunities for economic mobility were very limited. The show would make great tv, especially with the mafia always lurking in the background.
Well Albie never had the best examples of healthy love. So, Albie was just being nice and trying to be different than his father....but he doesn't know how to do that because that's the example he's had all his life
I mean Albie used his mom as bargaining leverage so I’m not sold on his “good boy image “
People keep bringing up that he talked to her before he got the money from Dominic but why was it even a thought in the first place? It reminds me of the quote "In the game of patriarchy, women are not the opposing team. They are the ball."
@@ielle. I love this quote I’m remembering it from now on
Albie is the OG sanctimonious ‘Nice guy’ complex guy
She taught him a valuable lesson in life.
Yup. Never trust a who*e..
Did she care? It’s possible. She played him, and followed through despite her misgivings and guilt. Albie wasn’t fully played though. He gained experience, a fun time with a beautiful girl in Italy, and perhaps a lifelong lesson on being nice, but not TOO nice. He didn’t seem too bummed out about it. There’s that. Lol
I think she did because she albie genuinely liked her despite being what she is. She probably never had a "client" look and treat her the way he did. He even offered for her to go to LA with him. She seen that albie was this good guy with a "be the prince charming and save the girl" complex and she took advantage of that cooking up a grand scheme. In the end, the love for money and her freedom to do as she pleases without having to be tied up to a person was greater.
Want to buy a bridge?
Oh great analogy In the end, I thought she was going to be in a relationship with Albi and tie herself into a rich family (and become a Daphne) but you are right, I think her love for money and her own freedom (and life in Sicily) was stronger.
Not only that, but realistically she knew that the relationship would be a dead end since he knew she was a hooker and would eventually find out she slept with his dad
Albie is a “nice guy” in a way to. He doesn’t lash out at rejection but when he had a few conversations with a girl he was walking up to interrupt her conversation with another guy. When he sees Lucia’s “pimp” I saw that as Albie seeing competition and feeling emasculated by him. Which is why he felt more inclined to pay the money.
Albie saw in Lucia an opportunity to be the hero nice guy that gets the girl. He doesn’t care about who the girl is or her actual situation, he just wants to be the hero who gets the girl. If he wanted to just give her money to get out of the situation then he could’ve but he wanted to keep sleeping with her. I think Lucia played a part in keeping him in the mindset and conforming to the role but in my opinion Albie didn’t truly care for Lucia and Lucia didn’t care about Albie.
Albie was a mark from the jump. I think it was kind of telegraphed as soon as they introduced the “pimp” character (He hadn’t been brought up at all beforehand). Albie might have made Lucia realize not ALL men are garbage, but that’s it.
What does a mark mean
@@wcai3421 just a “target”
I'm with you! I was team Lucia. I didn't even want to consider that she was playing Albie. There are two reasons for that, I believe. Maybe I'm a little like Albie. AND as much as I loved Lucia as a character and believe Simona Tabasco is a fine actress, something was a little off there, probably a red herring on Mike White's part. Despite clues in the plot, Lucia's facial expressions were too sincere, not enough side glances or subtle acting techniques to indicate that maybe something's not as it appeared. Also. I do believe, like all of White's characters, she is complex. She's clearly capable of tenderness and love but has a determination to rise above her circumstances. That was apparently her driving force.
When all is said, I was disappointed but oddly remain team Lucia. The upbeat music at the end, her joy walking down the street with her friend, the GREAT dress, the glance in her dream shop window, showed she's probably going to get ahead, unlike Kai and Belinda in White Lotus season one. Those disappointments were heartbreaking. Also, I think her relationship with Albie will leave a lasting, albeit subtle mark on her psyche. And, in the end, Albie's family really didn't take much of a hit. Albie helped reunite his parents, hopefully he learned a lesson, and Portia was at the airport to soften the blow. I'm usually not the ends justify the means kinda gal, but hey, it's just TV. 🙂
Of course she liked him more and it was easier to have sex with him than with other clients but she scammed him because he deserved that. The all di grasso family have got a unhealthy relationship with women. Albie is not different.he hasn’t had a good male figure in his family and it shows.
@@silviaetna9874 haha listening to two women justify this is hilarious. This conversation is why we shouldn’t have women leaders in power.
The reason why we want to believe Lucía is not playing him is her micro acting skills, she is just brilliant at expressing guilt with eyes and face expressions
She probably did like Albie and didn't enjoy screwing him over but she went through with it anyway simply bc she needs the money and knows, like the men that take advantage of her, sometimes you have to step over other people to get ahead in life. As a prostitute that has probably seen the worst of men and their intentions she probably knows better than to let her guard down, she knows at the end of the day men will always reveal their ulterior sexual motives, even with the nice guys like Albie it always comes down to a transaction with the expectation of sex.
So you just root for psychopath liars who pretend to be in mortal danger if they aren't saved by a rich white man? That's clearly part of the problem too. Men see women as objects but women see these men as banks. Both sides are wrong.
I’m a fool I really thought they were going to go to LA and live happily ever after. 😭😭😭
So did I!
Lol same I came here wondering why she left him💀
If anyone cared, I'm happy to report that the Italian dialogues all felt very natural and well written. I don't think they were translated from English, rather the other way around. They also nailed the accents (for the most part) and Sicilian language.
I get that people are interested in her motivations, but I’ve seen people asking “is Portia the REAL villain?” and “did Lucia really care?” And like…How are you so curious about those two when GREG exists???
Also, my spicy hot take is that Ethan is more villainous than Lucia and Mia combined and he’s not even trying to survive, he’s JUST playing with fire.
Ethan, more villainous?? Please elaborate.
Lucia didn't care about Albie at all and if you think she did you're even more naive than he is
I can't believe albie is dumb enough to take Portia back because when she gets bored of his niceness she'll leave him for the bad boy again and again
100% This Kind of girls always do the same..
@@JasonArts yeah, always
well look what chasing a bad girl got him
Actually portia saw of how a whiteknight he is thinking and saying he isnt like his father or grandpa but they are just the same
@@giuseppemasangkayarbi4838 Portia should also think about the long game. Portia was so stressed about work in the start of the show. Getting married into that family seems like financial security for life. Money doesn't buy happiness but it sure helps!
I mean, she might truly felt something for Albie but not overwhelmingly enough to ditch her plans for money. That’s just the reality of it all.
Yeah seeing some of the other comments...I agree with the thesis of this video (that Lucia actually cared about Albie in some way, I felt it too -- you could also use the example of when she told him that "all men should be like him" by the water one time, and in Italian too so that he wouldn't understand). However, the power/wealth difference needs to be focused on more here. Both Albie and Lucia knew his family's money would change her life and barely make an impact on his, so it's not this big "horrible" thing that she played him. It was justice in a way. Still, I think she felt some tenderness from and for him that might show her other ways to be in relationship. Maybe that's what she felt surprised by, and also sad to leave.
Glad you agree!
OMG! A Hooker with a heart but no morals is the oldest storyline. She certainly got over it!
Short answwer: No
Long Answer: Yes, she cared about his money
Albie didnt really love her or want her to go with him to LA. You can’t get to know someone in a few days, so he loves the idea of her not really her. If I remember correctly he even said his type was damaged women. He was using her to fulfill his savior complex and feel like he is better than his dad and grandad. They both played each other, Lucia now has enough money for her shop and Albie can now victimize himself all his life. I bet he is going to use that story a lot of time with women telling them how he is such a good guy and someone took advantage of him.
She definitely fell in love with Him, She unlike that woman Portia, appreciated the way he treated her, He was sweet and nice to her without pressuring him into anything... But also He is not a saint, she just used the crap out of Him, she knew he would never take her serious.
I think all of the men of Di Grasso family find a way to lure women based on their generation. But in the end all of them were predators who look out for a prey. What really interesting was, all of three men were sweethearts if you take out their obsession with women parts. (which is a very big part.) I loved it when they find they find other Di Grasso family, which were only women and they acted exact different to opposite sex, maybe they didn't want another Di Grasso man who would ruin their lives.
No. Albie was a mark.
like he could have done so many other things. the ending was trash.
Do you not think the looks she gave in the final episode showed her true feelings?
@@BrainPilot Those looks were the last flicker of her humanity being extinguished.
What does a mark mean?
@@Justpassingby204 use context clues
You know how in Game of Thrones, Cersei tells Oberyn how she misses her daughter. Then Oberyn asks Tyrion if Cersei is just b*llshitting him. Tyrion tells Oberyn that Cersei is honest about what she told Oberyn, it was sincere, but she's using that sincerity to manipulate him. Thats the same. Lucia cared about Albie, felt touched about his kindness and innocence, but it made her easier to do her grifting.
A bit like when Cersei comforts Catelyn about Brandon’s fall by going into the story of her miscarriage. Manipulation using real emotion.
It's very nuanced. They each had conflicting motivations. That's what made the show so interesting.
I totally agree!
All I can say, we Will hear more from that actress, she just simply steals the show, what an amazing performance.
No, she never did. Why would you even question? Her character is soooooooo well written and so transparent from the very very very beginning opening scene, you see a piranha fish. Her passive-aggressive nature and her fleeting care about people. She is a woman in constant survival mode and an excessive materialistic girl. She isn't a terrible person. She is simply in survival mode. These the leader of a pack of surviors 😅
one of the the only people she seems to genuinely care about seems to be Mia
Some of the Albie haters puzzle me. Was he flawed? Yes, pretty much like every single character ever. The level of projection on to him by some of these comments are like no other 😂😂😂
I think Albie knew he was being played, and he went along with it. It was a way for him to help her, and also a way for his father to make some sort of penance. I think they genuinely liked each other, and they helped each other in a way that each needed desperately. He told Portia at the airport that he was played, and unless he knew all along, I don't think there was any way for him to figure it out the last day.
knowing that you are getting played for 50 fucking Gs and still going along with it... damn, Albie might just be the most outrageously privileged character on the entire show.
@@jan8742 It was not his money; it was his father's money. Albie didn't see Lucia at all after the money transfer, and he would have had no way of knowing that she was walking around with her blackmailer, which leads me to believe he knew all along what was up. He was good-hearted, but not dumb. He probably also knew that Lucia did have some true affection for him. Like I said, I think it was a way of punishing his father and making him pay for what he had done to his family, and at the same time, to help out a girl who was being used by men like his father.
I wish Lucia stayed the morning and said goodbye to Albie. She already has the money, Albie wont find out about the truth, whats one goodbye to save him from being hurt? But then again, it seemed easy for him to move on and 50k pounds was nothing to them. And it did bring him and his dad closer.
I honestly think that Lucia did care for Albie at first. Also, I really wished that she went with him to LA because that would've been a better ending for me.
Even if she were to run away from him, going to L.A she would meet even richer people there and could even path a way to her friend singing career.
She slept with his father, Albie didn't know that. Their relationship didn't have future. Also Albi was not very mature to go in real relationship. He fell for Portia and in short duration after her for Lucia.
That would’ve been a silly fairytale ending. White Lotus doesn’t do that. Of course we all wanted that, but it isn’t realistic
I would have liked for her to go with him to LA but for us to see her friendly with Alessio, showing the audience that it was a scam, but delaying the moment of truth until after credits roll. Does she decide to stay with him (unlikely, but plausible), or dump his ass as soon as she arrives stateside.
Yeah, but 'happily ever after' endings are not realistic. This show isn't about the fairy tales. Plus she slept with his dad too. Yuck.
She cared for Albie’s money😂
Its also nice that Albie already put a word in to his mother for his father before the money got wired to Lucia. It showed that Albie did genuinley want to help his dad instead of it being purely transactional.
i think people are missing the point here. He didn't care for the well being of his own mother either. He knew what type of person his father was and how much he hurt her, he didn't care to lie to his mother in exchange of 50K euros so he could have his way with another woman. He knew her mother would end up hurt again because of his father.
@@buunns Everyone here keeps saying Albie "sold his mother out" or something, but has anyone considered that maybe, after spending that time with his father and grandfather, visiting their relatives, etc., that the "good word" that he put in for him was actually sincere? That maybe he actually believed that his father deserved a second chance with his mother? I think the fact that he spoke with his mother about it BEFORE his father agreed to giving the money confirms this. Why wouldn't he have waited until the money was transferred, if it was purely transactional and done out of indifference toward his mother's feelings? To everyone in these comments calling this "blackmail," yeah no. That's not how blackmail works. You don't do the thing BEFORE getting what you demanded. That makes no sense.
As for Lucia's character, I can't say I'm surprised by the comments here. This is YT after all, the comments are always full of misogynistic, "all women are evil gold diggers" incel-types, so of course they are incapable of seeing the MASSIVE grey areas when it comes to Albie and Lucia. I guess if you're autistic enough to be incapable of interpreting her facial expressions, you'd miss the clear regret and guilt that she showed. I believe she 100% used Albie, and knew she was using him the entire time, but I also believe that she did feel SOMETHING for him, and in the end did feel some remorse for how she treated him. I think that was pretty goddamn obvious by the 1000x forlorn looks she gave him during the last couple of episodes.
But I guess if that goes against peoples' "all women are evil because they won't fuck me" worldview.
Uh yeah - cuz betraying his mother would not have been cool. He would have been as bad as his dad.
@@cloudshad0ws i tend to agree toward this..
a lot people expect the worse about his "red flags" behind the nice guy facade
and until the end of the show, albie didn't know about lucia (and mia) with his dad
@@cloudshad0ws i don't agree for the sole purpose that the dad didn't actually do anything to prove he was going to be a better husband. Like at all. Nothing on the trip suggested he was a different person from the start as it related to being a husband. His dad's vice wasn't being an overall prick. It was being a bad husband who cheated. So Albie did use his own mother as a bartering chip without any evidence that she wasn't going to be hurt again.
I see people writing long notes here...Albie was just a simp who got played and Will still get played because he still accepted Portia who chose another guy over him.
She did genuinely like him even though she was playing him. She’s young and inexperienced with her line of work. I was frustrated by the final shot of her walking down the street in a pair of Louboutins, I feel like she is going to blow his money on clothes and remain trapped in the lifestyle.
I genuinely thought she was gonna play the long game and have Albi propose or something. That way she'd have secured herself in a rich family (especially if it eventually lead to marriage).
Having said that, I thought also she'd have struggled to leave Mia behind and her roots .
I also think she genuinely liked Albi, but ended up focusing on what she wanted/needed to get her started with her business.
@@RS91198 oh man could you imagine! Don would’ve been 💩💩💩 himself!!! 😂😂😂
@@unicornrainbow222 especially cos they’d have had this huge secret lol … we don’t get to see what happens once they check out of the white lotus, but it’d have been nice to wonder lol
If she truly cared about Albie she wouldn’t have done it. She may have felt a little guilty because he was good to her and gave her freedom but by no means does she care about him
She had to follow through and deceive him. Do you think that the $50,000 was for her alone? She had to pay those that helped her pull it off and the moment when you could see emotion on her face or guilt is just what people who are not completely psychopathic go through. They do feel regret but are nonetheless compelled to follow through. She can be happy in public but when she's in her own head she will feel pangs of guilt. We also can't discount the ark that's taking place on Albee's part. He was around his father and grandfather who had a very different reverence for women. Basically in the end what Lucia does proves that his grandfather and father are not so out of touch with reality when it comes to women and the game will always be played the old way not the woke way
most likely, but sadly, women rarely win that one.
@@jem2250
Both sexes have their strengths. When played well, it's even
Albie was just an easy mark and anyone that thinks differently probably is too
She turned around and thought thank fuck that worked out 😂
Albie sacrificing his mom’s happiness to manipulate his dad into getting what he wanted was truly sick.
True to an extent but in the end its still his mom's decision, and I think both Albie and his dad know that. We don't know the exact conversation Albie had with his mom, but it sounds like it was more along the lines of "maybe don't be so hard on him" rather than "take him back or I will be upset with you".
It's obvious he was using his mom to get something from his dad, but I also don't think he is that selfish, despite how similar he, his dad and grandfather turned out to be
But his father was mourning his marriage and he tried rejecting Lucia’s offer to sleep with him try e second night, so he actually was looking to change his ways.
Lucia gave Albie what he really wanted: A damsel in distress fantasy. She never cared about Albie in a serious way or wanted to be his girlfriend. She loved that Albie was an easy mark and spun the con that pleased Albie's White Knight Savior complex. It was all about the money from the jump.
Lucia got 50k but do you really think she made the right choice.... if she had ended up in LA with Albie she could achieve so much more and complete her dream
The sum of money lucia got ,it won't be enough to start a business because she earns 1500-2000 a day usually and spends most of it on dresses and leisure activities
Good point!
Yes but if she leave to LA, she will lose her freedom and become the person albie wants her to be. Plus with her sleeping with the dad, its gonna be a bomb waiting to blow up. I think the director put 50k as the sum because it is big enough for her to start business by herself, but is not too big that it will last her a long time. Which means that he wants the ending to lucia's story be ambiguous and up to interpretation.
50K is definitely a good start and shes in a a small town in Italy not New York City
@@Mh-xe1zh euros right? 50K in euros. My guess is that she will blow it.
Everyone saying he got played... he didn't. He would've helped her with or without the "Alessio" threat. He wanted to be a savior and manipulate his dad. He got exactly what he wanted out of the situation: sex with Lucia but he "paid" for it and "saved" her AND brought his parents back together.
This is good. While watching I thought Lucia is the perfect match for Albie. Because Lucia is not “broken”, so she will throw his savior complex right back into his face. And that’s exactly what happened- she was the karma for the weird way Albie thinks of women. She sees through his bs. And Lucia is not self absorbed, she just found out how to navigate a disgusting society. However, I think that they are still actually a great match for each other and part of me wishes they do still end up together lol. Even if it’s kinda toxic lmao. Lucia needs someone like Albie that will support her even through ridiculous situations she gets herself into because she’s facing a tough world. In the end he really can be a “good guy” (lol) - for someone like Lucia. She deserves someone that can drum up $50K for her at the drop of a dime. For someone like Portia, who is shallow and self absorbed, that would just be a nightmare relationship. Two rotten personalities together. Albie would become nasty, disgusting, and abusive when he projects a bunch of weird ideas onto Portia, who would in turn retaliate. Portia doesn’t need “saving” or support. She needs an attitude adjustment and a reality check, which she kinda got in the end.
Yes, because Albie was truly kind to her.
Very true!
Why can’t both be true? She’s ultimately a pragmatist and would know that the reality of the situation would never pan out. She can totally take advantage of him and genuinely care at the same time. Humans are complex. That’s what makes this show so rewarding. No one is just one thing.
Let me answer that for y’all. No 😂 Lucia is the type of person who’s going to put herself first
its the whole power dynamic thing, by leaving him means lucia got the upper hand, she got the money and can start whatever the life she wants, if she did settle and let her emotions (if there's any) with albie, then albie and his family will forever got the power over her life.
She loves her money, and that will always come first to her.
I think she liked him, but didn’t really care about him, she was playing him and will do it again
Yeah that's a good point!
She’s a gold digger, she’s playing a part. It’s all about the money. Albie is a fake nice guy.
She cared about him in the way where if he fell she would ask him if he is ok lol
I think she was just happy that she wasn't treated like a piece of meat (while also eventually getting money out of it). At the very end she takes one final look at Albie before leaving so that kind of says something.
The cold hard truth is that both were never going to see each other again and she got 50k out of it. If anything, both parties clearly had no issues moving on easily: Albie with Portia (who is basically the female version of him) and Lucia continuing to live her life with a thicker wallet.
Albie isn't an angel.... he had a savior complex. He was just as chauvinistic as his dad and grandpa. Just the more "Gen Z" version.
Do you think Lucia actually cared about Albie?
Hell naw, He was just Simp to her🤣
Of you believe this I have a lovely bridge to sell you...Lucia had to dive deep in her con and all that was apart of it. She only had a sense of what it felt like to be in a stable relationship. But it was ALL about the con.
*Do u all remember in initial episodes where him and Portia were talking and she called him the 'nice guy' that was foreshadowing*
It worked out for the both of them. I think Alphie was happier being a victim rather than being an exploiter. Lucia's big payday soothed his conscience. Both were aware at some level that a lasting LTR was unlikely between an Italian working girl and an American from a rich family.
Lmaooo I knew from the start that she was lying, she never had a pimp the entire show and then all of a sudden episode like five out of eight she’s scared of her pimp? Give me a break, and when she was talking to her friend, she was like he’s sweet and has a lot of money. The first thing she said about him was that he had money. Come on dude I’ll be is literally the guy who like write notes and slips them in the hand of the stripper saying you don’t have to do this anymore. And think she really likes him because he paid her for a private dance. 😂😂 I actually like Albie I think he’s a good person, but yeah
I hope the next season has albies family this time with the mom and sister with them
There was 50 thousand reasons why Lucia cared about Albie
She's not a monster, she probably thought he was a sweet kid but ultimately cared more about the money
The way Lucia turned back to Albie as she was leaving it showed she did care…
I think when she first met him she enjoyed being with a nice guy and just talking to him normally as a typical young girl meets a boy scenario hence why she didn’t care much about not being paid. But I think the opportunity that arose to change her life around was too big a chance to resist and hence went forward with the scam but we still see genuine moments of conflict within her. I think also it probably sits better with her that she knows the money will be coming from his dad.
She was the only person who didn’t lie 🤣
She wanted money she took it
Of course she didn’t gave a damn
I think her last look meant “poor guy, will be scammed easily by any woman throughout his life and he will smile about it” what a tool 😅
Nah, she saw a good mark and did her thing. Maybe from the stand point of "oh, you naive little boy, I guess I'll have to educate you on the world", but that's about it.
I think she did care, but she knew it couldn’t be anything other than temporary - however, a snake sheds its skin to become a bigger snake 🤷🏻♀️
“Alexa, play I’m in luv with a stripper by TPain”
She knew she could get away with the plan because the father didn't tell his son that he slept with her. If they had gotten together the truth would've came to light...so take money and run
Exactly
Yeh - you could see the wheels spinning when he came to her. After that she had him - she could have blackmailed him, and maybe that is why he gave her the money. His son learned a lesson, had a good time, she never told etc.
She did like him. However, money comes first.
she is not as malicious as people make her to be.......she saw her exit and took it
Of course... The writers/directors/actors made it clear.
She cared about him and was torn about it. But in the end she chose money. Her and Mia in 30 years are the Quentin and the gays. This wasn't a feel good story about the two Italians. They both crossed some personal lines and a no regrets. Do you think Quentin and the gays were ok with murder for money 30 years ago?
yes - Mia was worse than Lucia IMO - ruthless. She did not care about that man she nearly killed, or that she took his gig. I was married to a musician. They are truly the worse. Heard it all.
I wanted Ablie to get Lucia because of how rude Portia was to him 😅
Lucia knew that Alvie was trying to make Portia jealous by kissing her.
It was a grift. Plan and simple. Maybe she felt a bit of remorse from it bc he was sweet. But she had a plan and executed with the goal of making as much money as possible. She used Albies hero complex and naïveté against him. She got her male friend to act the part to feed into the lie of her escaping her “pimp”. A good grifter is a good actor. They make you think they care about you when in their mind, it’s all calculated. Every face of concern, action of love, regretful looks, etc was all part of the act. It’s what actors call method acting. She was acting a character so much even the audience thought “maybe she does care about him”. Reality, he was a job.
I think Lucia liked Albie, but CARE about him? Obviously not. I mean she played him from start to finish, masterfully.
What i noticed is she cant wink her eyes at the same time lmao
Lucia is a bomb
Bruhhh stop the cap. He got played hard. LIKE REAAAAAAL HAAAARDDD!
if she cared, she wouldn't have walked away.