Lucid Dreaming with Alan Wallace, Stephen LaBerge, Fariba Bogzaran
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2016
- www.scienceandnonduality.com/
A panel with Alan Wallace, Stephen LaBerge, Fariba Bogzaran and
moderated by Daniel Deslauriers.
What do Eastern and Western philosophy, neuroscience and phenomenology have to say about the experience of lucid dreaming? Can lucid dreaming contribute to how we understand consciousness and the sense of self? Each of the discussants brings a particular inflection to the study of lucid dreaming through their personal experience and professional roles, together combining scientific research, contemplative practices and creative phenomenology. In this dialogue we explore how these disciplines help us to understand the nature of consciousness, in waking and in sleep.
When 1 Hour is too short you know it's a great conversation
I totally agree with that... such a wonderful topic.
When I literally was thinking the same
I read your message
1 hour too short with these people 😂🥰🥰loved it
Great comment to make us wanna watch it lol
Starting now
How it started for me . At the age of 28 I had been doing way to much. I decided after an embarrassing event in my life, that I would not drink anymore. I had stopped drinking now and had been getting up around 3 am in the morning to meditate. One morning I was to tired to get up and a very large picture of my sweet little daughter just fell of the wall where I would be sitting. I said to myself I'd continue to meditate. Again it was almost 3 months without drinking and I was driving and difficult time was going on and I pulled into a gas station to just buy me a 6 pack of beer. I carried it to the front of the store to pay when she informed me that due to the lights just going down that it couldn't be sold to me. So I put it back and knew in my mind that the Angles were working on this or perhaps my spirt guide and so I said that you anyway and walked out. I knew I must be close to something and I would preserver. Within a week I had my FIRST LUCID DREAM .
I was privileged to have attended a ten day Lucid Dreaming workshop given by Laberge and Alan in the summer of '99 at Stanford.
How long did it take for your first lucid dream?
Blessing indeed 🙏🙏🙏 to be in their presence, not to show preference, but it's unavoidable as one is immensely blessed to breathe the same air in such close proximity to this great being Alan Wallace 🙏🙏🙏
start at 4:55
Thank you
thank you
thank's mate:)
but then you dont know whos speaking
Actually starts at 6:20 ...
I feel so at home watching my kind of people talk. :D
Me too
This is the first video I could relate to my own experience with lucid dreams.
Starts at @6:15
this is one of my favorite video. I have been entangled with yours universes. Thanks from Italy and..... lot of love for the great Stephen LaBerge!
Such a powerful and beautiful video. It can be felt the incredible presence, the holy place within, from where they are each speaking from. Watching and listening to all four of them and taking it all in, it provides such a rich, dynamic, luminous experience of consciousness and of the Witness/Awareness. These folks are all mystics and scientists. They each represent versions of inspired dreaming lives where the non-duality of science & metaphysics, dreaming & sleeping have become merged.
Thank you and much love to you, Science and Non Duality, for a truly amazing video.
thank you so much for this talk, very nice interesting panel.
Amazing and wonderful discussion.....
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful!
Yessssssss. How coincidental. I was just looking for a new video on Lucid Dreaming
+CosmicLegacy its a solid profit topic for the more aware person, so there wont be a shortage, really annoys me how they make so much money when all u need is pen, paper and intent. We dont need any books, they dont help except for drilling it into a newcomers skull, lol, happy travels
+CosmicLegacy
I regularly search for "Stephen LaBerge" on UA-cam and it's always cool when I find something new. =)
+John Dee Am a "incomer". Still w/o knowing where to look for instructions about it...( apart of watching 2 videos in the subject. Pretty "new" to who writes.
Any suggestions?
Many thanks.
Get awoken app for android. Read Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge. Should set you up for a flying start :-)
Robin Ødegård Many thanks!
Allan Wallace rules!....again...in the universe I create.....Thanks....
What a great discussion. Reqlly fascinated but not surprised
Beautiful conversation
This is s really awesome video with amazing content once you get through the shaky introduction and they get settled in and comfortable.
Revisit it today and tell me if the intro is still shaky
Alan , it is correct, you quoted a famous saying of Nisargadatta Maharaj.
Just fabulous!
Beautifully said and done.
Many (many) thanks!
I also had a Lucid Dream where I was telling people "This is a Dream" only I was in a Bar!
Maravilhoso!!!!
You have to write the dreams down no matter how stupid it may be but then your spirit guide will start giving u more important dreams and messages
Exceptional!
That was a great conversation!
Great video!!
I have been lucid dreaming since age 6. I thought everyone dreamed that way. Until in late 80's Time Magazine cover story on how child psychologist were training children to lucid dream. Anybody recall that Time Magazine Cover story? I believe it was 1989 summer time.
Must listen
fascinating
Wonderful talk, thank you for sharing it with us. I was fortunate to receive a similar continuity with my initial awakening experience, I was able to consciously shift from the physical spectrum into (actually) multiple spectrums on a regular basis for 3-4 years. Holding synchronous states, being and appearing simultaneously in multiple discrete environments/frequencies, as well as, concurrently, linearly one at a time, came to be my trademark way of experiencing. The levels themselves, all present at once and being cognized by my ground level Earth life person. Just fascinating.
Why only 3 to 4 years.
What did you do or not do that stopped it?
@@ezeeproproperties8352 It was a training program. They only last as long as they do. Ultimately it becomes the regular way in which you experience "reality". The way you CAN access it if you want or need to. This particular training program resulted in the unearthing of a very specific latent capacity within myself. It can be seen on my channel and sites. Thank you for the question.
I have another question.. when I was a child and I was coming down with an illness I would be laying in bed almost asleep, I’d all of the sudden see myself in a bright white room where everyone (adults) was wearing white and just standing around chatting with each other. After a couple seconds they would notice I was there and all of the sudden the room would start spinning. It would spin so fast that I would almost physically throw up. It was so scary-that I would open my eyes so I could stop it. Do you have any thoughts ?
Wonderful talk! Alan Wallace is a genius. Iwonder what he would think about:
I woke up from sleep a while ago and I had the name Nisargadatta Maharaj stuck in my head---I had barely/never heard of him before and when I woke up I googled him and found out more about him. It seems so unusual to me that Alan Wallace gives us this profound wisdom from Dream Yoga distilled into a quote from Nisargadatta Maharaj and that I o so coincidentally stumbled upon it. Does this mean anything? That Nisargadatta Maharaj and Alan Wallace have such connection to the wisdom of dreams and that I awoke with his name in my head? Was Nisargadatta teaching me in my sleep? Is there a karmic or some other type of connection?
If B Alan Wallace ever answers this I would be very grateful
I can imagine it to be a karmic connection and if you find this connection meaningful and helpful go and follow it. See what this path holds in hand for you. But don't get attached to it; don't forget that you were the one ascribing sense to it. Basically follow your intuition, but stay mentally flexible and open.
That is so profound.
Beautifully profound and powerful 🖤 The book, "SETH SPEAKS", which was published in the 70's covers much of what they each speak of. 🖤 Grateful for having this reflection of the awakening mind. 🖤
And we are sharing the dream with the other creatures on the planet. Each or perhaps each group participates in the entangled reality of our world. Respect the bees, whales, plants etc. participation as humans are not the only shape of entity making the reality.
Fully agreed, Granny.
Incredible eye-opener. I just wondered why, in a lucid dream, do we see versions of our own selves as not yet being awake or even interested or still just getting on with mundane and yet apparently necessary routines from our daily lives... I mean, if I am awake and aware, shouldn’t the other versions of me, also be aware ? Is it a way of showing us that there are still innumerous aspects of ourselves that are still asleep, while our minds are erroneously telling us that it is enlightened to the lucidity of our Existence ?
Could someone please explain this ?
lol
he did say it was one of his early experiences, i wish they had more time to talk. perhaps alan's more recent experiences through practice can shed some light on this question
We don’t the the people in our lucid dreaming state as the same (not us) because we don’t see the people in our waking state as the same (not us). Both states are erroneous because we aren’t enlightened. (That’s my unenlightened opinion :))
Even in your waking life, have you ever experienced a self-conscious state where you "see yourself" as a "limited version of yourself"?
Have you ever momentarily seen yourself as being an expression of your own patterns?
For example, when we are in an emotional response or reaction to something, our thoughts and emotion become more distinct.
Imagine you become very agitated emotionally, there is always at least a little part of you that can see your agitated self as only a part, and that can imagine reacting differently.
We can sometimes be objective about our own being, in retrospect but also in a near-instantaneous auto-observation, right?
The phenomenon of auto-observation implicates a distinction between "you the observer", and "you the observed".
Because we are essentially creative and able to be many things and take many different directions at any given moment, but we are also a set of reactions and patterns, and a part of us is programmed in a way that makes us act efficiently but without a conscious effort to do something new or creative or out of the ordinary.
You would say the Higher Self(which is purely creative and unbound potential) is overseeing the personality (which is made of patterns constructed from our experience).
In dreams, this becomes distinct in a different way. You can see yourself as an evolving object and a limited manifest portion of your observing self which is pure unbound potential and feels infinite compared to the acting version of yourself. I hope this helps ;)
@@metatrix4251 - I am flabbergasted at the wisdom in your words and I am deeply grateful that you took this time to explain this so well.
I had a “dream” that made sense of the phenomenon of auto-observation. In that state, I was told, “This is not real ! None of this is real !” in which I watched myself watching Indirá sleeping.
Thank you again, Metatrix.
It is a tragedy that this video only has 80k views.
For a spiritual perspective and exercises: "The Art of Spiritual Dreaming" and "ECK Wisdom on Dreams" by Harold Klemp.
The presenter is hard work
bad and good is relative and units that are in close possitonin unites in unity to they target
So sad, there is no subtitles... I don't speak English in such a level to understand any word.. I would like to to see subtitles..
I was a lucid dreamer from age 12 to 35. I still have LD but not often. If I were in the discussion I would have asked these gentlemen, "I am surprised that you make no mention of the feeling of omnipotence. Are you sure you were having lucid dreams? Do you really know what it means to have a lucid dream?" I am sure they know, but out of curiosity they might have asked me, "Well, why don't you tell us what it means to be a LD?" Well, need I answer this question or should I let you answer it? To make things easy for you, reader, imagine this: You are in a world where you are absolutely powerful and can do anything without any fear of consequences. What would you do in that world? ... Exactly, I did just that as a teenager and when I was satiated I started experimenting with the objects of my environment. But this is a long story.
+Mary Gwen Dungan I really don't know, Mary Gwen. You see, I often find myself in a dream situation where I do things, e.g. fly off a cliff and when I wake up I ask myself If I had a lucid dream. The easy answer is "Yes, because you did something that you would not do in the wake state." But I'm not so sure. It may be the case that in a dream we find ourselves in a world where our "intuition" or "instinct" says that it's OK to do certain things which in the wake state would be supernatural, abnormal or what have you. To come to your question, if you were conscious of your French performance in the dream then this sounds like a lucid dream. However, if this realization came to you after you had woken up, then you were not lucid. Regards.
+George Trialonis
That actually is my test in my dream to note that I am indeed dreaming. I am usually over a very high place, and I step off and fall to my potential death, and just before I hit the ground I hover, and levitate. Afterward I realise I'm dreaming, and off I go, flying around. The highest I was ever able to go was flying extremely high above the world , seeing all the continents below me. I then descended to a few deserts and South Pole areas. That I remember was really cold, and so I flew away shortly after 'visiting ' the places to more forestry areas.
Well, as I understand, LD is when you are dreaming and you know it at the moment it is happening, not after wake up. I might be flying in the air, but doing it with no realization that that's a dream! Of course there is a potential for infinitude. I also can dream that i am awake.. it often use to happen when we go to sleep at night and we know we have to work on the next day. We usually dream that we are at work, doing what we are used to do at that place. In this case, having a LD means that we know, at that time, that our real body is laying on the bed. Well, i also can say that it is not exactly like that. We, sometimes, have no full capacity to perceive the situation at the point we are laying on bed.. we can just notice something odd and have an insight 'Oh, that must be a dream!'.. and then you decide what to do.. wich depends on your ability to dream, wich - again - depends on the energy you get to perceive one thing instead another, ou both at the same time.
Mary Gwen.... Lucid dreaming only means having awareness that you are dreaming WHILE you are dreaming. It does give you the ability to do a lot of things you can't do in waking life (like flying) and breaking other physical laws...I have walked thru walls for example. But the dream is still just a creation of your mind. And if your mind hasn't learned how to speak French, you're not suddenly going to be able to do so. Reality in dreams is super flexible because your mind is just making up a reality as you dream. That's why scenery changes so suddenly, ect. Hope that helps you understand.
So what proof do you have that reality itself isnt a controlled hallucination. You seem ignorant
@@markcusblakc8615 the nature of reality itself had nothing to do with Mary Gwen's question. There are countless theoretical postulations - in fact, entire philosophies - built around the question of what reality actually is. Lucid dreaming, I believe, is most likely a metaphor for the fluid nature of our waking reality. I think it's entirely likely that we mold reality when awake in a similar way to how we can within the context of a lucid dream. However, waking reality "seems" much more concrete. Examples of the manipulation of reality are profuse within the guru culture of India, and it would seem that intense study of "dream yoga" would perhaps lead to enlightenment as to the true nature of reality. Dzogchen Buddhism is a perfect example of how one can practice going from waking mediation straight into lucid dreaming as a vehicle to spiritual growth. Good luck on your journey. :)
I have a question. Every single dream I dreamt when I was pregnant with my son came true after he was born. Was I seeing the future or do you think I possibly manifested those dreams ? I’ve also had times where I’m either just falling asleep or just waking up and words come to me. The first time I just brushed it off and then it was like the word got bold and huge almost like it was screaming at me so I said it out loud and the guy that was next to me jumped out of the bed like he saw a ghost because that word had such significance to him. Another time I was just waking up and i had the name Cesar Chavez immediately on my mind so I opened my eyes and asked my boyfriend “who is Cesar Chavez” “isn’t he a boxer or something?” I got out of bed and his dog Katie who was on the floor near the end of the bed starting having a seizure. It was almost like something or someone was trying to warn me about the seizure. I also find it a little odd that the “dog whisperers” name is Cesar. What are your thoughts ?
I've had similar experiences to what you are describing and I've learned that when you are in the dream realm, you tap into the reality where linear time does not exist as it does when we're awake. In the non-physical realm or dream realm, everything is existing at the same time. When you hear words, you are picking up the energy from other realms... some refer to this as channeling. Cesar Chavez -- sounds a lot like SEIZURE, except your mind may have reached out for the closest words to translate 'seizure', which was CESAR... and of course the dog whisperer Cesar was another synchronicity. You are magickal! :)
The space just before waking is also where I heard words that described future events. I can tell you this isn't science fiction, it is real.
But it is the personal value that it has for you that matters the most. I wouldn't look for a deeper meaning, because in a way it is nothing an effect of reality, a phenomenon. It is just that only a few people experience it.
We are sensitive beings, and a lot of our potential perceptions go further than logical thinking and the normal senses. Much of reality goes beyond those as well. The greater part of reality is unseen and unknown and even unthinkable, but we also have potential access to a little bit more than we usually do. Some people experience this access as mystical experiences, which are, in a way, not much more than our sensitivity going beyond normal for various reasons.
It is not that much of a stretch to say that to some extent, future events have already happened. If you think about it, much of what happens in life, (I mean events, whatever they are.) happens because it is the most probable thing. We are deeply wired to act and react in certain ways, so isn't it understandable that some events are so certain to happen that it is almost like they already did happen ? And if that is the case, isn't it credible that those events, in some dimension, are already to the point of no return and so the information of their happening is actually real and some electrons particles CAN go there and come back?
Anyways, this is quite normal to me, it seems obviously coherent when I think about it, and also I have lived this as you did. So to me, this is simply a rare occurrence that is at the fringe of what we understand about reality.
But it is very inspiring because it means we have ways to surpass what we are now as a species, and that means in the long term, we are not doomed to repeat the same mistakes all the time.
Am I dreaming right now?
You are a character in a dream!
You are dream in a character!
From some subtle perspective, we are all dreaming at this very moment. It is like a dream, but different from dreams we have at night.. dreams are processes that occur naturally. They are natural processes of different types of cognition, as well as meditation, states of mind induced by substances, hypnotism, physical exercises, mental exercises, breath exercises.. and some pratices that unify all these learnable kind of things.. wich toguether would be called 'art of dreaming', using waking state and sleeping state, with the intention of whole development.
Laberge does an RC at 6:00
My whole life I directed my dreams and thought it was normal for everyone. But recently realized it’s not normal and ppl train to do what I have done normally my entire life. So now I see there are different ways to direct dreams and use it to help life not just be in movies nightly.
Once i had lucid dream.
I literally tried to find my friends in the dream but could not find them .
I think I have a pretty good technique to go astral, as soon as you realize its a dream say "I can fly " jump straight in the air and fly, at first it was like a kid riding a bike, I was just basically goin in circles within the dream, but with practice I got better, then eventually I started flying to like my own condo, which is identical to an old apt I lived in, now when I fly I literally burst out of the whole structure of the dream into the atmosphere then from there whatever you say you want see will happen! safe travel friends!!!
Damn they vibing
Is anyone have a track on the science of dreams of Australia aborigines
thank you
Search for "aboriginal dreamtime" (spelled exactly that way) on UA-cam. Sorry I can't provide an example here -- UA-cam will censor it as spam . . .
Oh yes thank you greenrate,
Unfortunately there is nothing really deep about the subject...
Eric Pierrefeu this pannel is most precious, i would happy to lead you to a very interesting physist Tom campbell he break this in much details .
The quantum physicist Fred Alan Wolf spend sometime with aborigines in Australia.. there are many talks with him on UA-cam.
You can not have fear. I've flown through power lines large buildings and then when I found my body of water it could be dark, choppy, but I couldn't fear it I had to go down into it. I can breath in the water to
I've patted sharks at times but I could be fearful
why isnt it reflecting more views, it is a youtube partnership after all o.O
i guess people aren't ready for this yet.
Lucid dreaming is a very, very underground scientific field that few people are aware of.
I sometimes post things related to lucid dreaming on Facebook and nobody ever reacts to them, lol.
I feel like these people are my friends..only I haven't met them
I try to go to sleep with intention, but the intention makes it impossible for me to go to sleep, and it doesn’t transfer to my dream. Idk what to do
Kristopher Ferrell keep on trying! Really. Sometimes it takes quite a bit of effort. We all wish lucid dreaming comes easily but unfortunately it doesnt. Of course you can also try other methods: keeping a dream journal, working with dream signals, setting your alarm at 4 in the morning and then reading a bit about lucid dreaming and falling asleep again... Main thing in my experience: keep your interest alive and it will happen.
I've had a few crazy experiences with this. Probably one of the more popular topics on my channel. People are waking up to this! Great video!
Did Stephen say "Idries Shah" was the teacher that came in his dream?
18:02
My message is to you that I believe that the teacher will appear when the student is ready and that was how it happened for me. I'm just a simple woman in a small city and no religions up bringing.
why do they all look like they were generated by the same algorithm?
When one is in a lucid dream, is one in the 4th time?
"Jettisoned out of western civilization" lovely, same here!
My brain has been blown out of its brain socket...
Lol I hear ya! Exciting isn't it?!
I believe there will be a collective lucid dreaming in the future....it will probably start with two people....if they are in sync into the dream..meaning thinking of the same situation and place and everything..it will happen.... I agree .... no two lucid dreams are the same (unless you are in a collective lucid dreaming), that what you believe in 'real' dream will be a continuation of the 'lucid dreaming." This maybe the answer to the question: is there life after death? if you know where you are going when you're dead....your life will continue into the next level.....fascinating...thank you all.
6:20
I'm not used to seeing Alan outside of his teacher's robes.
Stopped watching this after 5.57
So in this dream you are illuminated 😨😨😨😰
Seems life is a dream and the dreamer is life
+andrew judge Indeed. "Samsara is an illusion, Nirvana alone is real -> Nirvana is Samsara", to put it in other words.
: )
Experimental proof, in a scientific setting, preceded LaBerge, and was already accepted by those who knew the studies back in the 70s. Can't remember the name of the guy.
a panel of individual stories get to the point please
What the hell is Roy Walker doing on the panel( blue shirt)...he should host catchphrase again,any Brits get me?
They are not in control of reality that's why they do those things which can be fulfilled in dreams not reality, watch 6:02 he said in this dream you all are illuminated .
Wake up dear sleeping souls stop dreaming in illusion start reading Bhagvad Gita, bible , and scriptures
Two questions are asked at the end of this talk: what will be a collective lucid dream? Are we going towards that? The answer is simple: we are already there. Working with various psychedelics, I and others have shared conscious awareness, similar to a mind-meld, with others, either one-on-one, or as a group. And, there are many different flavours in these experiences, which can include connecting with archetypes, to connecting to "spirits", to sharing energy (both with and without visualizations), to sharing memories, to sharing unbounded non-dual awareness, where all is one and there is no physical reality, or "other".
Alan Wallace offers great insights in his talks, but, unfortunately keeps taking a very human-centric approach to consciousness, leaping over the consciousness of bacteria, viruses, plants, and animals. My sense is in his worldview, if humans did not exist, the universe would not exist. Nonsense!!! Humans are only one small aspect of consciousness.
That's wrong. Viruses and Plants have as much concienceness as my socks have. Most animals and all bacteria have extremely small brains not allowing von any form of concienceness. Very fiew animals show signs of even low level concienceness. Monkeys and Dolphins can recognice themselfes in mirrows showing they know that thex exist (low level concienceness), about all other animals can't do that -> are not concienceness at all.
Consciousness and self-awareness are two different things.
When mankind finally understand quantum physics, quantum biology and quantum chemistry, they will still fail to understand consciousness.
Stephen up there looking jittery as hell.
WHAT IS TRUE?
King Janank was sleeping peacefully in his palace at night. Just then the sentry came running in frantically and woke him up. "Maharaj, wake up wake up", the sentry said," our kingdom has been attacked by the enemy all of a sudden. We are surrounded from all the sides. Please do something !" Hearing this, King Janak immediately got into action. He called all his generals and got into his fighting gear.
The king fought very valiantly along with all his army, but lost to the enemy that had attacked so suddenly. King Janak was now brought in front of the victor king like a prisoner. The victor king told Janak that he would not kill him, since he was also a king, but he would exile him. And so King Janak soon found himself wounded, hungry and thirsty travelling through the streets of his own capital. Such was his miserable state that that the people, who were his own subjects till just a little while ago, also refused to give him water for fear of the new victorious king.
So King Janak travelled to the outskirts of his kingdom where he found a rich man giving food to the beggars. The king also stood in queue. But alas, the food finished as soon as he came to the head of the queue. But the person distributing the food toook pity on Janak's pitiable state and gave him the watery remains of food from the bottom of the vessel. In this miserable state, Janak was grateful for even this much. But as soon as he was about to sip the watery soup, an eagle pounced on his bowl. And in his efforts to save the bowl, Janak fell into the mud - hungry, thirsty and wounded - cursing his misery and change of fate in just a day's time !
It was then that Janak woke up from his dream and found himself sitting on his bed; sweating profusely. He must have shouted aloud since the sentry had come running in and asked him if he was alright. "Maharaj, what happened? Are you OK? Did you see a nightmare? ", asked the sentry. But king Janak just sat still, like in a trance. And then he uttered, "Wo sach, ya yeh sach? (Was the dream true or this is waking world true?)".The sentry, unable to understand what the king was saying, called the ministers. When they asked the king the same question, he uttered, "Wo sach, ya yeh sach?".The queen was then called who was wondering what had happened to the old man, but the king could only mutter the same words, "Wo sach, ya yeh sach?" For the next few days, the king did not speak to anyone. Even in his courtyard, where all his ministers, his queen, and eminent people used to gather the king refused to speak. He would just sit there staring blankly at the wall or at the sky. No work was getting done. If someone came to him to get his approval, the only thing he would utter was, "Wo sach, ya yeh sach?"
Rumours now spread thick and fast throughout the kingdom that the king had gone off his rocker. Incidently the great sage Ashtavakra was also passing by in the capital city at that time.
He too heard the stories of King Janak's mysterious state. He then decided to go and meet the king himself.
When sage Ashtavakra reached king Janak's courtyard, he was greeted by the worried ministers who were kind of relieved that the great sage had come. Perhaps, he would be able to cure the king out of this mysterious condition. The sage, who had realized what had happened, smiled at everyone. He then asked the king, "How are you Janak?". The king again replied," Wo sach, ya yeh sach?" and looked at the sage blankly.
Then the sage asked, "When you were rolling on the dust wounded, hungry, thirsty, depressed and miserable; was all this - your lovely queen, your faithful ministers, your well-wishers, your comfortable throne, the comforts of your palace, your power - with you?".
The king's eyes immediately widened and he said, "No. It was not there.". The other's present there of course had no idea about what the sage was talking about. Only the king and the sage knew.
"And now when you are here sitting with your lovely queen, your faithful ministers, your well-wishers, your comfortable throne, the comforts of your throne; is that dirt, hunger, misery around right now ?"
The king again said, "No".
"Then O king, na yeh sach, na woh sach." (Neither that was true, nor this is true).
Hearing this, Janak was shocked. "Is nothing true then?", he asked.
The sage continued, "During the defeat, were you there to experience your defeat, your misery, your wounds, your hunger and thirst?"
Janak said, "Yes i was there. I agree that it might have been a dream and hence false, but i have experienced it all."
"And are you here now experiencing this present with all your power and people around you?"
"Yes. I am experiencing all this too", said the king.
"Then O king, na yeh sach, na woh sach....KEVAL TU HEE SACH." (Neither that was true, nor this is true..only you, the experiencer of it all, is true.)
Question to Ponder - Who is this experiencer? Who am I?
A wonderful panel but Fariba Bogzaran was so out of place there.
I appreciate Stephen Laberge and his work, but when these guys start talking about the nature of consciousness and try to apply empirical speculation, they are out of their league and are talking nonsense. Life is a dream....right...step in front a bus and you'll see how false that statement is.
What happens after you get hit by the bus? How do you know you just don't wake up again in another life (just like dreams)? These guys have dedicated their lives to studying this and you think they are out of their league? Someone is out of their league here, that's for sure.
what if we are all descended from talking giraffes, or what if we don't exist, or what if we all just part of someones dream and what if what if what if...should of could of would of such is the nature of mental speculation......if you like to spin on that wheel of speculation by all means..... delude yourself.
I agree 100%. They think that their delusional thoughts are original.
Guys, all these questions have different answers. This is not a talk on the nature of consciousness. Of course they won't elaborate on that, but just express briefly their points of view.
What is really interesting is that the buddhist tradition (and other eastern traditions as well) have developed ways to investigate the mind through different kinds of meditation. And these empirical discoveries were written down and tested again and again for more than 2500 years and the same methods, when practiced correctly, of course, created the same results! This is science, not speculation!
I hope this helps! :)
Lucid Dreams implies lucidity at any level you might be at the moment. It is just pointing a direction, a way of being in the world. It is kind suggesting you how to bahave. If you are in the waking state, in your physical body, and yet.. you stand in front of a bus moving towards you... that means you didn't get the message.
What the hell is Roy Walker doing on the panel( blue shirt)...he should host catchphrase again,any Brits get me?