Work Outs Don't Always Help Your Jiu-Jitsu?! - Kama Vlog
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I feel more durable lifting consistently. Less injuries. Need to be lifting correctly though. I also enjoy lifting weights so that makes it easy. Technique is easily more important when first starting bjj than weight lifting. Yoga is good too. Trained this past weekend with Rickson's daughter in Orlando Cani Bioginastica yoga. I can see how that helped Rickson after taking a class.
Is not the quantity is the quality and type of resistance exercises you perform. I believe as a 52 year old it’s helped me tremendously. Specially during my submission only tournaments just recently as of a couple years ago. Fighting stronger and younger fighters
With regular jiu jitsu, weights would need to be an adjunct, not feeling sore for two days. Weights would be a tonic workout. Which means not going hard on weights. They can help the body heal or hurt. It's about volume, each one of us can only handle so much each day, week, month.
you can do both . Only thing is to do them smartly and recover , balance your diet and your sleeping time .
I know everyone's makeup is different, but I listened to Ken DaSilva's and Professor Ryan's guidance. I tailored my workouts to more KJJ movements with just body weight workouts. Due to my Job, I still have to deadlift and run. But I would argue, just doing KJJ is enough. I actually think KJJ had made me a better runner and has given me a heavier deadlift. I'm a Soldier by the way. These are just my observations and opinion peeps.🤙🏽😁🤙🏽
Thank you I really needed this video!
Yoga and weight (2 to 1) training has definitely helped my Jiu-Jitsu. Yoga has with out a doubt given me an advantage. The flexibility, strength, breathing and moving from your core is definitely a major asset. Rickson does a form of yoga that focuses on movement (as you mentioned), flexibility and breathing. He has attributed the breathing in particular to giving him an edge. The time I do yoga and weight training is done on the days I can’t get to Jiu-Jitsu class. I’m a husband and father with work responsibilities. When I’m doing my supplemental training in between classes I’m thinking about Jiu-Jitsu. The recovery is crucial, to your point, and that includes lots of sleep. Yoga is very restorative as well, the proper kind for down days.
What are y'all doing to workout? You can do active rest with the weights
I have restarted jiu jitsu after being out of it for years and have had a couple groin pulls so I realize now how important stretching is and just got a gym membership to strengthen the adductor and adductor muscles.
Thigh Master 😉
@@KamaJiuJitsu , working my 2 jobs I haven't really been able to utilize my gym membership. Again, why I am so tight, weaker, have less endurance, etc is solely because I quit jiu jitsu which is the ultimate form of fitness. Again, dont QUIT
I disagree with a lot of this video. I have been lifting weights regularly since age 15. I'm now 42. Weight training has helped me learn my body and how and when to use certain muscles. Yes T is the most important but if I can also have the P why not? Also I have recently started doing Yoga (about 2 months) and I can tell a HUGE difference in my Jiu-jitsu. Much better triangle setups, s-mount is much easier, any escapes are easier now. I'm not saying weight train at the expense of jiu-jitsu classes. I'm saying lifting done correctly 3-4 times per week can be helpful. Example: No heavy flat barbell presses, instead moderate weight high rep dumbell presses. I think grip and core training are also very important. I like being functionally strong. When I'm 60 I want to be able to lift things around my home if I need to. Jiu-jitsu technique is not going to help me with that, deadlifts will...lol
dragonballjiujitsu Hey Drags,
How long you been training Jiu Jitsu?
Matto Harvey 18 years
Imagine how good your Jiu jitsu would be if you only trained jiu jitsu since you were 15?
Don’t you see Prof Ryan point here?
Samo Dog did you see where I said “I’m not saying weight train at the expense of jiujitsu” training jiujitsu 5-7 days per week was not and is not an option to me. It’s not an option to most people. He is assuming if you are weight training it’s at the expense of jiujitsu. You would be doing something with the time you aren’t able to train jiujitsu. Watch tv? Party? Movies? Might as well do something that’s helpful. I was not introduced to BJJ until in was 17. And there was no place to train until I was in my 20s. Even then it was an hour drive. The weights I could do at home. Along with watching tapes and grappling friends.
dragonballjiujitsu sorry brother but I have to disagree everyone can train 5/7 week .
You gotta make time
That’s what makes the difference in people progress.
I used to lift and run with my girl twice a week. I dropped everything Now I train lunch/evening classes Monday to Friday my jiu jitsu has never been better 🤷🏽♂️
How about running? Thinking of the Diaz brothers and triathalons.
I can say that martial arts helped my golf game, as far hitting the ball farther.
Thanks for this excellent and logical explanation professor.
Nice. I do light weights off and on here and there. I have noted cardio has helped quite a bit.
I need the days off. I just started 3 days a week, used to do only 2. Body is feeling it, but only been doing it since June and getting over a 2 week time off for a procedure on my chest. Might get back I to biking for cardio, but not much else than that over normal training in class.
what about calisthenics??? im not sure i agree. doing calisthenics allows me to be more flexible and gives me better control over my moments. i find that i see more opportunities when i do calisthenics.
Dave, I mean Ryan, I respectfully disagree. Weight training improves your jiu jitsu in so far as it keeps you healthy and allows you to continue training with a *reduced* risk of injury.
Moderate weight training and yoga have a protective effect on your body. Strong muscles protect joints, backs, and necks. Weight-bearing exercise increases bone density. It helps to correct imbalances created by repetitive movements. Yoga is especially good because it is stretching under tension, which is the safest and most effective way to improve flexibility.
I like a warm-up before class but static stretches before strenuous activity is not a good idea.
Yes a perfect example of this is how squats and deadlifts can strengthen your knees, that's useful as hell because when you shoot for takedowns your knees won't fall apart.
humans have evolved to lift and carry heavy things. It's natural. Yoga is the best thing you can do to supplement jitz IMHO
Quick question I already lost 40lbs. And I want to cancel my gym membership and just focus on jiu jitsu will I keep losing weight I still need about 30lbs
Well guys as a very humble forty four year old who has reached the brown belt level of competence let me say this. When I don't lift weights and hit the gym for cardio yet focus on at least four days a week on jiu jitsu my game feels much better. For some reason my movements are more fluid and my body just doesn't hit that point where I am full of lactic acid in my grips and legs. Sadly you know how it is guys. You get used to your body looking a certain way with the influence of weights so I just keep going back to them. Granted I don't lift heavy and lift a weight appropriate for merely keeping what I have instead of gaining. I know there will be a time, which may be coming soon, where I just have to drop the weights and just do the four days of jiu jitsu and accept the changes in my body. The arms may not be ripped and the chest might not be as firm but my game will be legit.
Herschel Walker did only (only, 😂) 1000 push-ups and 3000 sit-ups every day. He never hit the weights at all his entire college and NFL career.
I think anyone serious about going above a blue belt should read Malcom Gladwell’s book; Outliers. It mainly outline that it takes about 10,000 hours to master anything. I think a lot of people are not understanding exactly what Ryan is saying. There is a time and place for weight training in BJJ. But if you want to get good quickly the best thing is mat time. I wish I understood this early in bjj. For me as I got older and acquired injuries weigh training really became useful in recover and supplemental training. Everyone is different and has different body types and understand there isn’t one universal standard. But looking back at my long Jiu Jitsu experience I wish I put in more hours earlier because time, injuries, and age catches up to everyone. So if it is time in the gym or time on the mats I would say put in the time on the mats when your young and you can. And even if your older still put the time on the mats because your young in grappling years and you haven’t acquired the injuries that come with time on the mat. I’m 40, two surgeries deep, and a black belt.
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In martial arts, muscle can be a bad thing if your cardio and endurance does not match it.
It can but not likely if you are steadily training jiu-jitsu or some other martial art that makes you work. I love it when new guys see me and think because of the way I look that I'm going to gas out. I can roll for hours without getting tired. 5'9" 224 lbs. Meanwhile I'm watching these 150 pound 20 year olds with abs dropping like flies around me.
dragonballjiujitsu I know, like I said if your cardio and endurance does not match.
Jujitsu always helps your BJJ!
Yeah... Idk about all this, tell this to Jocko Willink.
Yes and no because it depends if you are in good shape or not. Bjj will improve your body slower than some specific exercise. Muscles will protect your body and also give extra force against some partners who make a randori with all their power and nerves, like if their life depended on it. But progressing technically is important too : no need to make too long and too hard conditioning.
This is a great subject and I think you should revisit it again. I agree with everything u said. Firas Zahabi GSP’s trainer said the same thing you r saying here. The first time I came back to jj 3 1/2 years ago, I did a leg workout before my first class in years and I pulled my hamstring. I definitely won’t do weight training before training in BJJ. I won’t put the gym/weight workout before BJJ . I also quit my gym membership, BJJ already is a cardio strength workout in itself. If u work out hard before class your Central Nervous System (CNS) will be trashed and u won’t be able to do ur technique’s correctly. If ur going to workout, it’s probably better to do body weight workouts as u can recover from those quickly. Also don’t workout till ur sore, especially if ur older and do it either on days u can’t do JJ or after BJJ class. I’m 55 and I hv to be smart with my body and not to injure my body.
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I don't know if this will make your equation mimic your thoughts on how T is more important than P, but tell me what you think of the following as a better equation... G=2T+P
Sounds good to me!
Techniques first!
Lets say for competitors as of Purple Belt Level should like once or twice hit the weight room.
I follow your channel, I often love the content. But, I have to disagree with you here. Renzo and Danaher's students are doing great working out consistently on the side.
On a personal level, when I got my blue belt, I followed this advice vigorously. I got very thin and all, although flexible and with very good cardio. I could roll for days. Those were my worst months in BJJ. I'll never do it again.
Now I work out at 5 or 6 in the morning, do BJJ at night every day. I've never been better. Just the fact that I have more muscle mass to handle the pressure etc. (Roger Gracie lineage), it gives me confidence to tackle anything and anyone confidently.
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I think Prof Ryan gave some sound advice here. As a physical therapist (not pulling rank...I’m by no means an expert), I would say that the only “necessary” or near “necessary” supplemental exercise to JJ would be in the realm of stretching and calisthenics....things that help with flexibility, recovery, and joint / muscle health over the long haul.
Jim S JJ puts stresses your body in all kinds of strange ways and positions. Moderate weight training with the specific goal of strengthening joints is completely legitimate. Why wait til rehab if you can proactively protect yourself with similar exercises?
+DigitalPsyche - sure, but I don’t think that was Prof Ryan’s concern and not typical of the approach he usually sees.
Jim S You may be correct. I heard him talk about the idea that weight training helps with jiu jitsu and that his position is that it doesn’t. If you looking to bulk up and be super-strong in order to manhandle people, it may help you “win” on the training mats, but sure, it won’t help your technique. I agree with that 100%. If you’re lifting so much weight you’re painfully sore, you’re not training right. I use Stronglifts 5x5 and I continue to lift adding 5lbs per session and avoid severe soreness. If I miss too many sessions, I deload.
I weight train to be healthy, strong, and protect my body from injury. That way, my jiu jitsu will improve because I can continue to train instead of having to take time off to heal. I’m 180 and 6 ft, I’m not a heavy guy on the mat. I need to protect my back, neck, and shoulders. Big guys have smashed me before, rushed subs, and having that healthy strength has helped me. I hate to think how worse my shoulder would be without that protection.
I wouldn’t want to roll 6 days a week. I could learn and drill, but rolling is hard on the body and creates imbalances that can lessen overall quality of life. Moderate and sensible weight training helps me avoid it. That’s all.
+sienna - - I only watched the video once, so maybe I missed or have forgotten something that you are addressing. I never meant that strength training is bad or wrong. I use strength training with my patients every day (and for myself, especially when I can’t train JJ as much as I’d like). Like I alluded to with my last comment, I think Prof Ryan was referring more to people who overdo their strength training while being beginner JJ students. Case in point, his example of the guy with sore legs. Beginners use more muscle force than they need to and hopefully over time learn how to use a bit more body positioning, timing, etc and a bit less brute force. I think his concern was about the compounding effects of both on new students. Your example of your injured children is completely different. 1) I bet they weren’t overdoing it with other unnecessary activities while injured. 2) they were performing (I assume) very specific, concentrated exercises under the supervision of a professional. This is a far cry from the guy who’s been doing CrossFit then decides he wants to start up at Kama JJ while not compromising his current CF schedule. You can disagree with Ryan on that one, but you must at least concede that it’s totally different from the scenario you presented about your kids. If you take issue with my original post, think about how I used the term “necessary.” I never said one shouldn’t strength train while training JJ. I do, although I’m typically not doing a lot of both within the same period of time because of logistics with my family (wife + six kids) and training partner (I train at home with one friend). I also do periods of intense physical labor since I garden as a hobby both at home and on a larger shared plot. It works out that I’m usually not doing those three forms of exercise on the same or even consecutive days, which is how I like it at this point in my life. How are your kids BTW?
I agree with you as far as only thing going your Jiu Jitsu better is more Jiu Jitsu, but I do not agree with long warm ups. Most classes are in the 1-1.5hr I say warm up 5 to max of 10min then start your technical and transitional movements. In the process of these movements your body will continually warm up. The way I look at it is I pay to learn BJJ not to exercise so I want to learn BJJ. I'm 45 and I want to learn movements and transitions to how these things work not to say these only work if you have the fitness to make it work. If I wanted to learn fitness I'd go to a real gym. I no this is just me. I enjoy your videos keep up the good work.
We have classes that range from 45min, to 60 min, to 75 min, to 90 min, to 120 min. All have warmups, just to varying degrees.
Idk if you read all comments but what do you think of 10th planet jiu Jitsu compared to traditional BJJ?
Are all 10th planet affiliate academies doing Eddie bravo jiu-jitsu?
Kama Jiu-Jitsu from my understanding yes. There’s one close to me that I thought about starting with
BJJ comes first and everything else is just a tool to make your game better.
hi ryan ! thanks for your very informative videos. what are your thoughts on yoga + bjj (on different days) ? i currently do yoga (1.5-2 hours) 2-3 times a week and am thinking of joining a bjj studio but i want to continue with yoga.
Yoga is awesome! Helps you to take control of your breathing, which just so happens to be THE BERY FIRST THING GM Rickson taught at his seminar last week. Yoga also helps tremendously with your flexibility, which can be a big factor in injury prevention.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu Thanks a lot for your reply ! I can't seem to find a self-defense oriented studio here in Paris. There is a Gracie Barra near my location so I am leaning towards "some BJJ" is better than "no BJJ"...
I strongly disagree with this. Prioritize one but both should be done. They complement each other well.
Some negative comments here. I think people need to understand that Professor Ryan is looking at this subject through the prism of improving your Jiu-jitsu, and training more often is going to be better for your Jiu-jitsu than weight training. Aside from the initial warmup, rolling is a whole body workout. Need more of workout? Train Jiu-jitsu more often. Otherwise, use the non-training days to let your body recover, because that's when it really gets stronger. And as he said, if your technique is spot on, then strength training would definitely be useful. Until then, through the prism of improving your Jiu-jitsu, just train more Jiu-jitsu. That's just my two cents and I reserve the right to be totally wrong.
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
He just called purple belt low level fml🙃
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It ain’t high level.
Thanks for getting to at least minute 12:00!
@@KamaJiuJitsu I've been binge watching all your videos all week I'm a brand new white belt only a month I'm but I'm loving it so far! I'm trying to absorb as much information as a can I really appreciate these videos keep it up much respect 🙏
Nah working out and exercise is great period....I do cardio running my dog, yoga, and full body weight workouts and biking........conditions my body for Jiu Jitsu....is the argument if your out of shape Jiu Jitsu is better? Can't agree with this....However I have seen Jiu Jitsu schools where they do 30Minutes of extreme warm ups and the whole class is gassed and can't drill or roll...they just get guys to quit and take there money its stupid.
Did you watch the video?
@@KamaJiuJitsu absolutely......just saying what's wrong with fitness??..I think it can only help. Just a matter of opinion I guess me I think the more one can do for fitness in a sport the better. Look at the MMA fighters, they box run lift weights whatever it takes to get in shape.
I never said “fitness” is wrong. Asked if you watched it because you’re asking things I never said in the video. Many comment based only on a title or 2 minutes in.
@@KamaJiuJitsu No I get your point= to conserve your energies for the Jiu Jitsu training....yes overtraining is no good I get it...most of mere mortals only train BJJ 2 days per week so any other exercise we get away from it has to help bro
I think the racoons like it when people push too hard and have to run outside to puke. The Chinese restaurant next door... Not so much.
Physicality beats Tecnic in a toirnament and self defence as well.
Agree 100 per cent. I suspect gym junkies do Jiu Jitsu to try and show how strong they are.
Oh come on now, it's virtually impossible for a person to have excellent technique but average physicality.
define "Physicality."
BULLSHIT. All high level fighters lift weights. Just 2 examples Tyron Woodley and Sage northcutt both extremely strong but also FAST technical and explosive. Both lift weights every day.
I don't think he's referring to elite fighters though.
The body and mind are totally different.
Both are needed.
They r interconnected.
I hate lifting these days. A lot of movements are causing pain. I'd rather spend more time on the mats.
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