Wally, Thank you for making these videos. I can appreciate that it takes a significant amount of effort to put them together. I am just starting on an almost identical project, (4x4). You are making it easy for me Thank you!!
Many yrs ago my old boss welded a dodge front end to a Ford back half. The frames were different with. So he simply welded a flat plate to the end of both frames. No fancy cuts. He then pulled a trailer with a 540 John Deere Skidder for yrs with no problem whatsoever. That was a 17,000 pound machine.
GOING TO BE A NICE TRUCK BUD! THANKS FOR THE E-Z CHASSIS SWAPS KIT TIP. I'M DOING A 55 2-1/2 TON CAB SWAP ON A 75 3/4 TON 4X4 , AND A 66 1/2 TON SWAP TO A 74 1/2 TON 4X4..... DID A 59 SWAP TO 75 4X4 25 YEARS AGO. WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE HAD THE KIT THEN. HA! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK...DAVE..
My 57 project I’ve had going way back to when I was 15 I’m 65 now . The frame was hosed it had been up the Alcan 6 times and there was spider cracks around most of the frame rivets so I replaced it with a 62 short bed factory 4 X 4 glad I did that now 👍😉
You scared me, Wally! I thought the notch threw you off on you measurement and you cut too much off. Better too much than too short. You're doing great, man. Just a hic-up! It looks "fac-tree" 😄
Should of welded inside first then back grinded the outside so it was a full penetrating weld, vertical down welding is a weak weld especially with no weld prep IE bevelled edges, plus a gusset wouldn't of hurt also, I have been a welder for 30 years. No hate just for future jobs
As a Mechanical Engineer, I don't agree with cutting the "Z-cut" profile as a means to achieve the desired fit w/o losing strength, but rather improving strength as you've suggested. A simple diagonal cut or even a butt-cut would suffice. If the welded area is done so with proper technique; you would be fine. I do agree the addition of a fishplate will help strengthen the frame. That said, the "Z-cut" design increases your risk for failure. You wouldn't make a 12" long incision to remove a gallbladder, if you could achieve the same with a 6" incision. Then follow that logic by saying that the stitches you used for the 12" cut adds strength, therefore it's a more suitable method that making a smaller incision...
I agree with your assessment. I’m actually a fan of a simple 45 cut. This was the first z cut I attempted and mistakes were made. I should have made the overlap much smaller but I wasn’t thinking clearly. I’ll add a fish plate on the inside and it’ll be plenty strong for this application. Thanks for your insight I enjoy learning from others.
Agreed. Those that know, know Mohr’s Circle. Butt joint is fine. Only thing I see that gives the step cut a plus is it can help with alignment. But is the alignment juice worth the cutting and welding squeeze?
A old man I new in Lubbock Texas owned a machine shop and repaired many oil field truck frames. He told me if you stop at a welded frame it will Crack and brake again. He said they always reinforced frame repairs with bolted front and back plates extending well beyond the weld. He said the modern frames are heat treated, that's why you have a greater probability of a weld failure by itself.
Shoulda done this on my 56 instead of the Heidts front end.. The poly bushings fail every 2 years... I've done a dozen truck frames and never had an issue with cracks. V your cuts and use quality filler. I'm copying this frame next summer!
I'm a welder with 35 years experience. This Z cut isn't how I would have done that. Youre not going to gain any additional strength over just a 90 degree cut. If a weld is done properly you turn 2 pieces of steel into one solid piece, completely solid all the way through. Myself I would have used a stick welder for better weld penetration. He also needs to tap those rails with a hammer to relieve the stress around the welds while it's still hot. That bracket wouldn't exactly give it more strength, it's a source of direct stress to the welded area.
Great job that you doing , nice . Also I have the same frame mine is a 4x4 an I wonder where did you order your mount s cab mount s brackets an front clip
I still don't understand why you only took out 16 inches then moved the axle forward 4 inches then removed yet more chasis from the end. Why not just remove 20 inches?
She'll be a faithful friend you can pass on to family. love those old trucks.
Excellent work
Great job
Great job guy and going to be another great build
Great job on doing that swap. I am definitely folllowing to see the final product. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching.
Nice work, pls keep at it.
Great job, nice work, thank you.
Nice work
Nicely done , 🫵🏼💯🆒
Thanks!
If U can make things rite it was only a small setback. Good luck w/ this project. Thx 4 sharing.
You are the only person I ever seen cut a frame like that other than me
Wally,
Thank you for making these videos. I can appreciate that it takes a significant amount of effort to put them together. I am just starting on an almost identical project, (4x4).
You are making it easy for me
Thank you!!
by the sound of your welding youv've got it set up perfectjy
I've been researching frame swaps for my 55 and found the E-Z kit, then found your channel. I am enjoying this series and subscribed.🤠👍
Thank you!
Many yrs ago my old boss welded a dodge front end to a Ford back half. The frames were different with. So he simply welded a flat plate to the end of both frames. No fancy cuts. He then pulled a trailer with a 540 John Deere Skidder for yrs with no problem whatsoever. That was a 17,000 pound machine.
GOING TO BE A NICE TRUCK BUD! THANKS FOR THE E-Z CHASSIS SWAPS KIT TIP. I'M DOING A 55 2-1/2 TON CAB SWAP ON A 75 3/4 TON 4X4 , AND A 66 1/2 TON SWAP TO A 74 1/2 TON 4X4..... DID A 59 SWAP TO 75 4X4 25 YEARS AGO. WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE HAD THE KIT THEN. HA! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK...DAVE..
My 57 project I’ve had going way back to when I was 15 I’m 65 now . The frame was hosed it had been up the Alcan 6 times and there was spider cracks around most of the frame rivets so I replaced it with a 62 short bed factory 4 X 4 glad I did that now 👍😉
Wow 6 times up the Alcan? That poor thing 😂
That welder sounded great
You scared me, Wally! I thought the notch threw you off on you measurement and you cut too much off. Better too much than too short. You're doing great, man. Just a hic-up! It looks "fac-tree" 😄
Should of welded inside first then back grinded the outside so it was a full penetrating weld, vertical down welding is a weak weld especially with no weld prep IE bevelled edges, plus a gusset wouldn't of hurt also, I have been a welder for 30 years. No hate just for future jobs
Thanks for the advice!
As a Mechanical Engineer, I don't agree with cutting the "Z-cut" profile as a means to achieve the desired fit w/o losing strength, but rather improving strength as you've suggested. A simple diagonal cut or even a butt-cut would suffice. If the welded area is done so with proper technique; you would be fine. I do agree the addition of a fishplate will help strengthen the frame. That said, the "Z-cut" design increases your risk for failure. You wouldn't make a 12" long incision to remove a gallbladder, if you could achieve the same with a 6" incision. Then follow that logic by saying that the stitches you used for the 12" cut adds strength, therefore it's a more suitable method that making a smaller incision...
I agree with your assessment. I’m actually a fan of a simple 45 cut. This was the first z cut I attempted and mistakes were made. I should have made the overlap much smaller but I wasn’t thinking clearly. I’ll add a fish plate on the inside and it’ll be plenty strong for this application. Thanks for your insight I enjoy learning from others.
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Agreed. Those that know, know Mohr’s Circle. Butt joint is fine.
Only thing I see that gives the step cut a plus is it can help with alignment. But is the alignment juice worth the cutting and welding squeeze?
A old man I new in Lubbock Texas owned a machine shop and repaired many oil field truck frames.
He told me if you stop at a welded frame it will Crack and brake again.
He said they always reinforced frame repairs with bolted front and back plates extending well beyond the weld.
He said the modern frames are heat treated, that's why you have a greater probability of a weld failure by itself.
Shoulda done this on my 56 instead of the Heidts front end.. The poly bushings fail every 2 years... I've done a dozen truck frames and never had an issue with cracks. V your cuts and use quality filler. I'm copying this frame next summer!
I cut my frames on a 45,degree ,box inside,sometimes add fishplate to inside
Did moving the axle forward 3 inches interfere with anything else on the truck? like the c-notch?????
I'm a welder with 35 years experience. This Z cut isn't how I would have done that. Youre not going to gain any additional strength over just a 90 degree cut. If a weld is done properly you turn 2 pieces of steel into one solid piece, completely solid all the way through. Myself I would have used a stick welder for better weld penetration. He also needs to tap those rails with a hammer to relieve the stress around the welds while it's still hot. That bracket wouldn't exactly give it more strength, it's a source of direct stress to the welded area.
Are yuu going to notch the frame when you lower it?
Pudden’s Fab shop made the same mistake a month or so ago.
I saw that, we are both dyslexic I guess lol
Great job that you doing , nice . Also I have the same frame mine is a 4x4 an I wonder where did you order your mount s cab mount s brackets an front clip
The bracket kit is from E-Z Chassis Swap.
I still don't understand why you only took out 16 inches then moved the axle forward 4 inches then removed yet more chasis from the end. Why not just remove 20 inches?
I’m an idiot 😂
Why not just get a short bed Frame to start with ?
Hi you had already explained the answer to this question ?the crossmember position 😂
bravo de paris
Much easier to take a another chunk than to add a chunk back in
That was my thought!
Joint should have a bevel to get full penatration
It is not a mistake If you can fix it or hide it.
that is what happens when you rush things
Not a c10. C10 name came out in 1960 if I recall correctly.
C10 just refers to half ton 2 Wheel drive truck. C10 terminology was use from 67-87 basically.
Better to cut twice then to cut too short.
No gloves
Good job but you may want to fishplate the inside of the welded part of the frame to prevent cracking of the welded frame . .keep up the good work.
That’s the plan when I take the truck back apart.