LOL so where in the vid is the test where you restore the system drive of your main workstation? Just asking on behalf of the kids from the entry scene.
In my case I was tasked with backing up a bunch of Debian & very old CentOS VMs that host critical web sites. They dont have VM backup support, lvm or zfs. So I took their synology nas and installed UrBackup inside a docker container. Was a pain to understand but works really well. It backups automatically both files and databases. You get a nice web GUI. You get to decide how many incremental changes to keep, and receive email notifications when they happen. The only issue I found so far is that by default you cant restore from the GUI but you can restore both files and system images from the client CLI/GUI urbackup tool. It also includes a web file browser so you can manually download anything you like from a different point in time. As long as the client is able to reach the backup server, it can even make backups remotely from clients behind a NAT or firewall.
I like the idea of Active Business for Business I just got a 5 disk Synology 1522+ literally 2 days ago so I am still learning; snapshots, backup, encryption, 2FA. I have three 18TB WD Red Pro disks in it giving me a total usable capacity of 32.7TB with two empty bays for expansion. My plan is to hopefully soon get a second NAS the same and put it at my sister's. It's expensive but cheaper than Backblaze B2 at $6/TB/month for storage (6*32=$192 per month) and they are the cheapest! One thing to do first is make sure you have a good network 1Gbps is painfully slow when copying over multi-terabyte folders I have a 3TB folder copying now that will take 13 hours.
Great video! I myself backup using a cronjob which runs tar using the --listed-incremental option. (on a Synology, actually) These increments I move to external USB disks which are offline when not in use. I have copies of these at my workplace and my holiday apartment. Active Backup and Hyper Backup are amazing tools, but I refrained from using them since I'm afraid of Synology dropping support or making breaking changes to them. And when in doubt, tar is available on any decent operating system.
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Big ups for this guide. Your past Synology videos convinced me to order a 1522+. I have a 8 bay PowerEdge I plan to run Truenas with recertified drives to hold the Synology verified backups but that'll be in a few months. Still spooked with the data corruption bug ZFS had so betting on DSM BTRFS for the meantime.
Awesome video. Thank you. I cant afford a Synology, way to expensive in South Africa. So had to settle for a cheaper Asustore. But it works very well. I back up everything to the Asustore and have automation to back up everything from the Asustore to 2 different cloud storage as well. Works very well and YES I have tested the restore and it also worked very well.
I use combination of active backup for business, hyper backup and Vorta (nice GUI for BORG) to backup my devices.. (sadly synology does not support active backup for business of BTRFS).. so far I was always able to recover everything I needed.. but off-site backups could use some more testing
I rsync my ssd, phone, etc to an mdadm raid 1 on my desktop then rsync to a separate local server with zfs on a 2 vdev x 2 drive mirror on ubuntu with cockpit (although I use the commandline also) with snapshots. Then the important stuff is burned to blu-ray. Mozilla, thunderbird and select documents, spreadsheets, etc from the home directory are backed up
For me it's rsync over ssh to a server in a different building. No proprietary stuff here. It's actually 3-1-1 since it's all hard drives, but I'm not really worried about being unable to read hard drives any time soon. It's not automated though and I don't run it quite as often as I should, so maybe Synology and others have some merit to them.
I want a more proper backup system the problem is I don't have enough drives/storage to do it. And it's felt like the price/TB hasn't dropped as much as it felt like it use too. Doesn't help that I continue to add more and more 2k 20 minute videos and all my gog installers.
The costs of a 32TB array w/parity, based on 8TB drives works out to be around 550 dollars USD This seem in-line with pricing, though the cost tends to rise sharply with higher density drives with roughly 2000 USD for 100TB/8TB array, vs 2500 for 100TB, 20TB array - which isn't too shabey when all is said and done
Doesn’t help that whatever price you’re looking at you have to multiply it by 3 to have a proper backup system. Super cheap if you’re looking at around 25-50TB but let’s face it. 50TB today is literally only slightly better than having nothing.
Hey Raid Owl. I'm new to homelabbing. I'm ooking at a Dell server that has a total of 8 bays, 4 of them with 4 600 GB drives for a total 2.4 TB. I would use those for data and install OS on a nvme. Would I be able to install/uninstall/install different operating systems to try several out without losing data on the sas drives?
You technically can depending on which OS/filesystem you’re moving to/from. It can be a huge pain though. I’d just assume you’re gonna have to wipe the data.
Ironically, I ran into a situation with the Synology NAS that I bought for my dad. His computer failed and I tried to restore with Synology to another computer, but no matter how hard I tried I could never get it to work. It would never recognize the network adapter in the other computers. Because their restore uses fragile Microsoft software. Was very, very annoyed. Ultimately we bought a new computer just like his old one and swapped the hard drive, but it took weeks to get the computer shipped to us from Hong Kong. Grrr... Going to be researching alternatives to Synology backup soon.
Aswesome video. I use QNAP AI642 NAS and use the HBS Hybrid and it is on par with all that I need. I am little add. I have mny main NAS on Radi1, then have USB 3.2 connected with another drive to do a 2nd backup. I have been there with a data loss even from raid when it is suppose to be a safe guard but not always the case. So backup backup backup. test tes test and You shoudl TRY a restore. My most important photos and docs are also on a separate drive and sent to a separate but local in my city location. (friends house lol) You can never be safe enough!
Would having the backup Synology NAS in the other room count as "off-site backup", asking for a friend? I mean, at least the power sources will be on separate breakers / switches... 😅
How fast is your upload speed? I have 500/10 and even if I upgraded to business 1G with my ISP I could only get 1Gbps/35(?). No I cannot get another ISP the alternative is 75mbps
I leave it to the lord if he wants to delete my browser history hes more than welcome 👍 Kidding; i got a single backup onsite with a raid 1 array with a hot spare on Seagate skyhawk drives. (I decommission them from customers security systems every 3 years as a practice).
I'd also note I have literally zero important data on my PC. Just a bunch of drone footage, game recordings, nothing used for business or configurations.
Here's me thinking homeboy was gonna cover a couple different methods, but it's Synology. Look, I get you have mouths to feed etc, but this is vid is kinda disappointing.
So I tested “Entire System” restore in HyperBackup and it said I couldn’t do it because I’ve got immutable snapshots on some of the folders. Any suggestions? Would this not be an issue if I was restoring a wiped or to a new NAS?
I'm doing more with Synology these days (less with Nextcloud), including backups, and it's nice. Active Backup for Business doesn't work with Linux clients with newer kernel versions though, and Synology is not updating it. So, yeah, it's rsync for Linux clients. That was a new idea to me to Snapshot the rsync backup folder. Thanks for the tip!
@@dirtyvinyl8817 I don't know if you have enough "power" which allow you that your voice reach Bord Of Directors in Synology but let him know that we customers are not happy with this approach and even if we are able to buy their NAS event though we have decide to choice ex TrueNAS. ;)
Active Backup for Business is amazing. Free, 4 life for as many systems you can fit. You can even backup your Proxmox VM's. Here's the cool part on that. You can even restore those VM's as VM's in the Synology itself, provided they are defined as Server's in Active Backup. This is great if you need get out of a jam quickly to restore something. Granted it will be slow, but slow is better than having an important VM down.
Serious question, I don't have a Synology NAS, what is the next best option? I currently use a custom script to save compressed copies to a second server. I keep the last 7 days, last 4 weeks, and last 12 months. rsync to tar files.
Your essential data usually isn't very large. Even photos and home videos will usually only take up a few hundred gigabytes. Your computer's user data is probably less than 10GB. Even online private cloud storage would be cheap for that.
TrueNAS has been my backup for many years
Glad someone is mentioning this. You don't want to try restoring a backup when you actually need it.
Looks like a nice system! Also, love the shirt! Thank you for your support!
Actually a high quality shirt. So soft
I also use Synology for my 3-2-1 backup strategy in my homelab, but I still learned some new stuff from this video. Great video! Thank you.
LOL so where in the vid is the test where you restore the system drive of your main workstation? Just asking on behalf of the kids from the entry scene.
If you look closely you’ll see I’m one of those kids
@@RaidOwl 😄😄
In my case I was tasked with backing up a bunch of Debian & very old CentOS VMs that host critical web sites. They dont have VM backup support, lvm or zfs.
So I took their synology nas and installed UrBackup inside a docker container. Was a pain to understand but works really well.
It backups automatically both files and databases. You get a nice web GUI. You get to decide how many incremental changes to keep, and receive email notifications when they happen. The only issue I found so far is that by default you cant restore from the GUI but you can restore both files and system images from the client CLI/GUI urbackup tool. It also includes a web file browser so you can manually download anything you like from a different point in time. As long as the client is able to reach the backup server, it can even make backups remotely from clients behind a NAT or firewall.
I like the idea of Active Business for Business I just got a 5 disk Synology 1522+ literally 2 days ago so I am still learning; snapshots, backup, encryption, 2FA. I have three 18TB WD Red Pro disks in it giving me a total usable capacity of 32.7TB with two empty bays for expansion. My plan is to hopefully soon get a second NAS the same and put it at my sister's. It's expensive but cheaper than Backblaze B2 at $6/TB/month for storage (6*32=$192 per month) and they are the cheapest! One thing to do first is make sure you have a good network 1Gbps is painfully slow when copying over multi-terabyte folders I have a 3TB folder copying now that will take 13 hours.
Veeam is great depending on your use case and already existing hardware. I have it processing all of my data & deduplicating it onto an external SSD.
Great video! I myself backup using a cronjob which runs tar using the --listed-incremental option. (on a Synology, actually)
These increments I move to external USB disks which are offline when not in use. I have copies of these at my workplace and my holiday apartment.
Active Backup and Hyper Backup are amazing tools, but I refrained from using them since I'm afraid of Synology dropping support or making breaking changes to them. And when in doubt, tar is available on any decent operating system.
Big ups for this guide. Your past Synology videos convinced me to order a 1522+. I have a 8 bay PowerEdge I plan to run Truenas with recertified drives to hold the Synology verified backups but that'll be in a few months. Still spooked with the data corruption bug ZFS had so betting on DSM BTRFS for the meantime.
Awesome video. Thank you. I cant afford a Synology, way to expensive in South Africa. So had to settle for a cheaper Asustore. But it works very well. I back up everything to the Asustore and have automation to back up everything from the Asustore to 2 different cloud storage as well. Works very well and YES I have tested the restore and it also worked very well.
My backup system still involves punch cards. Should I update?
Nope. You’re safe from EMP
Thank you so much 😊. Always love the videos. I must get a second synology and leave st my brother’s - timely reminder!
I use combination of active backup for business, hyper backup and Vorta (nice GUI for BORG) to backup my devices.. (sadly synology does not support active backup for business of BTRFS).. so far I was always able to recover everything I needed.. but off-site backups could use some more testing
Reminds me to check I can actually decrypt the files I have sent offsite with encrypted rclone 🧐
Hey buddy how have you been. Good video and love synology
Been good! Thanks Kristopher!
I rsync my ssd, phone, etc to an mdadm raid 1 on my desktop then rsync to a separate local server with zfs on a 2 vdev x 2 drive mirror on ubuntu with cockpit (although I use the commandline also) with snapshots. Then the important stuff is burned to blu-ray. Mozilla, thunderbird and select documents, spreadsheets, etc from the home directory are backed up
I don't have a proper 321 backup. The one backup I do have is off sight via backblaze.
The only backup is a tested backup from various media types. One source of backups is not a backup.
When I do a backup which I dont do often enough I use Macrium or Acronis. I have paid licenses for each.
For me it's rsync over ssh to a server in a different building. No proprietary stuff here. It's actually 3-1-1 since it's all hard drives, but I'm not really worried about being unable to read hard drives any time soon.
It's not automated though and I don't run it quite as often as I should, so maybe Synology and others have some merit to them.
I want a more proper backup system the problem is I don't have enough drives/storage to do it. And it's felt like the price/TB hasn't dropped as much as it felt like it use too. Doesn't help that I continue to add more and more 2k 20 minute videos and all my gog installers.
The costs of a 32TB array w/parity, based on 8TB drives works out to be around 550 dollars USD
This seem in-line with pricing, though the cost tends to rise sharply with higher density drives with roughly 2000 USD for 100TB/8TB array, vs 2500 for 100TB, 20TB array - which isn't too shabey when all is said and done
Doesn’t help that whatever price you’re looking at you have to multiply it by 3 to have a proper backup system.
Super cheap if you’re looking at around 25-50TB but let’s face it. 50TB today is literally only slightly better than having nothing.
I have qnap nas and he has same options for backup PC client with compression and deduplication.
Hey Raid Owl. I'm new to homelabbing. I'm ooking at a Dell server that has a total of 8 bays, 4 of them with 4 600 GB drives for a total 2.4 TB. I would use those for data and install OS on a nvme. Would I be able to install/uninstall/install different operating systems to try several out without losing data on the sas drives?
You technically can depending on which OS/filesystem you’re moving to/from. It can be a huge pain though. I’d just assume you’re gonna have to wipe the data.
I have a Synology and I’m a 321 backup freak !!!
I already use synology backup for business
then i rsync it to my unraid
an offsite one is still kinda in the works
Rsync vs Syncthing?
Ironically, I ran into a situation with the Synology NAS that I bought for my dad.
His computer failed and I tried to restore with Synology to another computer, but no matter how hard I tried I could never get it to work. It would never recognize the network adapter in the other computers. Because their restore uses fragile Microsoft software. Was very, very annoyed.
Ultimately we bought a new computer just like his old one and swapped the hard drive, but it took weeks to get the computer shipped to us from Hong Kong. Grrr...
Going to be researching alternatives to Synology backup soon.
Aswesome video. I use QNAP AI642 NAS and use the HBS Hybrid and it is on par with all that I need. I am little add. I have mny main NAS on Radi1, then have USB 3.2 connected with another drive to do a 2nd backup. I have been there with a data loss even from raid when it is suppose to be a safe guard but not always the case. So backup backup backup. test tes test and You shoudl TRY a restore. My most important photos and docs are also on a separate drive and sent to a separate but local in my city location. (friends house lol) You can never be safe enough!
PBS (not the TV station).
Would having the backup Synology NAS in the other room count as "off-site backup", asking for a friend? I mean, at least the power sources will be on separate breakers / switches... 😅
Lol man prob not but it’s way better than no backup 😅
Very good video! Be it world backup data.
Have rs1619. Disappointed in synology since they limit of using 3rd party hard drives.
I've had no problem using Seagate Iron Wolf for the last few years in Synology with no issues.
@@running4fun74 they kept old disks. But not new ones. Take a look at compatible list
XPENology for years here
RAID is a backup, right? RIGHT?!?! asking for a friend...
😠😠😠
Veeam agent works well imo.
If I glance at this thumbnail real quick it looks like you’re wearing one of those fake muscle shirts😂
Nah I'm all natural baby
How fast is your upload speed? I have 500/10 and even if I upgraded to business 1G with my ISP I could only get 1Gbps/35(?). No I cannot get another ISP the alternative is 75mbps
I have 1Gbps up/down
@@RaidOwl smh I retested I actually get 20mbps up so basically ready to open a colo here
I leave it to the lord if he wants to delete my browser history hes more than welcome 👍
Kidding; i got a single backup onsite with a raid 1 array with a hot spare on Seagate skyhawk drives. (I decommission them from customers security systems every 3 years as a practice).
I'd also note I have literally zero important data on my PC. Just a bunch of drone footage, game recordings, nothing used for business or configurations.
you should focus on truenas
Soon ;)
Jeff Geerling lost some hair.
Its important to mention legally obtained media 😂
Too late man, stuff crapped out a week ago FML !~!
tough crowd in the comment section since you dropped the ugreen nas video 😂
Lol nah this is mild sauce. I’m fully aware people aren’t a fan of sponsored content, especially when it has flaws.
Here's me thinking homeboy was gonna cover a couple different methods, but it's Synology. Look, I get you have mouths to feed etc, but this is vid is kinda disappointing.
This is literally what I use...
Was there a complaint in there somewhere? lul. he watched the video and commented before it was mathematically possible to watch the video.
He’s disappointed I got paid
@@RaidOwl the nerve...
@@RaidOwl Well if I offended you then I'm genuinely sorry for that. I always really like your videos!
First :D Edit: Even Faster then the Bots :D
nooooo
Did I just got called slow for watching the entire video?
No way bby 😘
Backups are for noobs. Pros hack the NSA to regain their data when they lose it. 😅
Big brain stuff
So I tested “Entire System” restore in HyperBackup and it said I couldn’t do it because I’ve got immutable snapshots on some of the folders. Any suggestions? Would this not be an issue if I was restoring a wiped or to a new NAS?
I'm I the only one using just a script that runs borg backup?
I use urBackup for my Windows and Linux client PC backups. Not sure it's better, it has it's own issues.
I don't have a off site backup unfortunately But i do have a "server" that is only turned on to do backups as a cold storage backup.
Ever since the video was uploaded, every time I look at the title it reminds me of low tier god
I'm doing more with Synology these days (less with Nextcloud), including backups, and it's nice. Active Backup for Business doesn't work with Linux clients with newer kernel versions though, and Synology is not updating it. So, yeah, it's rsync for Linux clients. That was a new idea to me to Snapshot the rsync backup folder. Thanks for the tip!
I want to make a HomeLab using the cheapest components should I go for a am4 build or x99 build? Can someone help me
How about URbackup + Truenas snapshots and replications?
oh, another damn synology video. What a suprise FFS.
Yes! More Dada shenanigans, please.
Are you using segate drives inside Synology NAS? Does it make well know isussu where system report you error with your non-synology type hdd-s?
Nah I’m using Synology brand drives
Is this a new thing with Synology systems? because im using WD Reds in my Synology and ive never seen that error. However this system is from 2019.
Yes, it is a new thing over the past several years. It's also why I decided to buy a TrueNAS rather than upgrade my Synology.
@@dirtyvinyl8817 I don't know if you have enough "power" which allow you that your voice reach Bord Of Directors in Synology but let him know that we customers are not happy with this approach and even if we are able to buy their NAS event though we have decide to choice ex TrueNAS. ;)
Active Backup for Business is amazing. Free, 4 life for as many systems you can fit.
You can even backup your Proxmox VM's. Here's the cool part on that. You can even restore those VM's as VM's in the Synology itself, provided they are defined as Server's in Active Backup. This is great if you need get out of a jam quickly to restore something. Granted it will be slow, but slow is better than having an important VM down.
Serious question, I don't have a Synology NAS, what is the next best option? I currently use a custom script to save compressed copies to a second server. I keep the last 7 days, last 4 weeks, and last 12 months. rsync to tar files.
PBS and for vm/lxc, veeam ce for pcs
i don't have money to spend on the equipment but i do a 321-rule
Yep it can get expensive
Your essential data usually isn't very large. Even photos and home videos will usually only take up a few hundred gigabytes. Your computer's user data is probably less than 10GB. Even online private cloud storage would be cheap for that.
Yep totally depends on how much data you need backed up
Where is your UGREEN bro? 😂
He wasn't paid for that. Shill gotta shill lol
On the table next to me
@@RaidOwl just pushing your buttons.
😘😘😘