Patrick Christys: Are the Southport & Grooming Gang Cover-Ups Evil or Incompetent?
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- On today's #NCFDeprogrammed, hosts Harrison Pitt and Connor Tomlinson are joined by GB News presenter Patrick Christys for a deep dive in to the establishment cover up surrounding the Southport massacre and the grooming gangs.
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Excellent guest.Patrick is too good for GB news these days
Thank-you for speaking with Patrick Christys! 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇬🇧
We cant forget our awsome patriotic men and women of Ireland 🇮🇪 🇮🇪 🇮🇪 🇬🇧 aswel 👊💯
Patrick you were brilliant, love you ❤ for loving and fighting for our UK children ❤
What you might have missed in-between boughts of masturbating over photos of spitfires is the way that politicians have managed to convince elderly mouth breathers to blame forrins for politicians failures
Thank you Patrick for speaking the truth for the British people. What is this all about. I'm sick of all the different agendas in Britain. Hope you and your families are well ❤😊
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Love Patrick ❤.
Nice analysis Patrick....
Always liked Patrick. Decent chap with plenty of charisma. Not the biggest fan of GB News but I will watch his segments. Love Neil Oliver as well and I do hope they give him a primetime spot again
We live under "The Empire of Lies".
You just know that anyone who says 'radical Islam-ist extremism' takes the problem about as serious as those who say 'Asian grooming gangs'... 😉
Yes & I don’t think these people are ‘too soft’ either. Believe me, they have an agenda & steel in their soul. Blair, Starmer, Alistair Campbell. These guys are hard-nosed ideologues!
I live in London I am 67 and I have given up on this country and all the News shows and clips on Y.T. just look at Trump and what he is doing, Donald Trump can save the West and probably will he is defunding the swamp and telling the truth...very simple.
PATRICK BRILLIANT GREAT TO SEE YOU ON THE CULTURE FORUM GREAT CONTENT 😊
Great young men - intelligent and with common sense
Thanks Patrick for giving Tommy SOME credit!
I started following Patrick when he had a podcast during Brexit …… And he has followed on with first class reporting, luckily I can relate to everything he is speaking on… Gerald Baton took the stage at the last patriot rally, a great man who should have been a leader…
Evil they knew and allowed it ! Whats the Labour MP's quote " They should have stayed silent for the sake of diversity " .?
She didn’t say that, but she did “like” a comment saying that. It’s important to get our facts right. Her name is Naz Shah and she may as well have said it. The disgusting POS
Patrick Christy is the best reporter on tv
100%
Love Patrick. He’s an amazing human being ❤ thanks for having him on
‘Evil or incompetent’ - what a choice - what an EASY choice; the answer is BOTH.
The sooner REFORM becomes the next Government, the better for us all.
‘labour’ must never, ever be elected to Westminster again - ever.
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They got themselves into these positions BBC gave themselves away even before Jimmy s broke. The best bud of piliticians
In the USA the election of President Trump has had a tangible uplifting effect on the feeling of many people like me. Conversely, the oppression of the Labour government, as with the obvious attempt to make Islamophobia a crime, is totally unacceptable to a native Englishman like me.
All you guys are brilliant and you are doing a really important job.Keep doing it!
The cover up is evil
Covering up any child abuse is evil. The incompetence is free and industry standard with all public sector offerings.
Three top presenters!and young and so awake!it gives us hope!❤
Patrick is superb. He is the best example of what true journalism and broadcasting should be. He speaks for the people and does it so cogently, so boldly and truthfully that we should treasure him and ensure everyone in this country can hear him. Thanks NCF.
If the system is just incompetent and aren't evil they should admit it and try to sort it. They don't and try to cover things up to protect themselves. So doesn't this make them evil by default?
Yes, I think it does make them evil. Silence usually denotes acceptance.
Evil. Full stop.
Awesome debate from Patrick and I enjoy Culture Form as you always discuss and debate sensibly and constructively; which makes a huge change from argumentative debates that often become onesided! Thank you!!!
Yay Patrick., good lad.
Axel's parents get police protective custody, the guy who burned a Koran and was doxxed by the police (which is the police literally putting a target on his face) didn't.
So thankful for all the up and coming young decent journalists doing a proper job , old media institutes on borrowed time folk are not stupid folk are awakening and saying enough is enough
IM GLAD MORE AND MORE PEOPLE'S ARE WAKING UP 👆 TO MSM,BBC, ITV, CONTROLLED NEWS WE ARE ENTITLED TO THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF LIEBOUR LIES 🤥 😊
If they throw their passports and phones overboard, when coming into the Country, they can literally say they are anyone from anywhere. Digital ID does not solve this problem. Digital ID just means decent, law abiding citizens get surveyed more!
Exactly....
Oppressed more
That's the plan- create problem, then propose a solution that coincidentally takes more of OUR freedoms away.
Let's face it if the majority were legitimate they would fly into airport and claim asylum much safer and cheaper.
YEAH so excited for this one!
The Grooming gangs issue is key, which is why there is such resistance to a national enquiry. Thus far it has been successfully contained as if it's a few Councils. But the truth is that the Crown, Police, CPS, Courts, Home Office and Civil Servants as well as politicians are all implicated in covering it up. So should it be known in it's full extent. Nothing in the current orthodoxy and national establishment would be unscathed.
Yes this is a huge cover up, the truth is the establishment has been complicit in this scourge on our country, and to save themselves they have had to silence Tommy, they fitted up minor issues of his law breaking and locked him up in dangerous prisons when he should be open prisons or tagged, they have lied about him… The police have lead anti protesters to him, hoping for trouble to arrest him, and beaten up those who have been on his rallies, the normal person would not believe the lengths taken to harm him, having practically handed him over to a cult who don’t believe they should stop harming our young girls, it still continues.. …..They don’t follow the laws of this country and police do nothing but comply with them.. We are a very corrupt country, Westminster needs cleaning out and taking apart… 😤😡😤😡
GB News is less appealing without Steyn, Phillips, Wooton and Robinson. All talented, outspoken contributors.
Evil
It’s is fantastic that people are finally talking about these issues, that they feel they can discuss these topics and that people like Connor are banging on about Home Office duplicity, especially after their actions following the triple murder in Northampton.
Long overdue and this is starting to turn public opinion (30 years too late)
Keir Southport is genuinely evil.
He is unbelievably evil.
As a Sandgrounder, please don't call him that. We hate him.
Connor and Patrick on one video ! Made my day !
GB news keeps to be on the grooming gangs story!! If it doesn’t go away they need to deal with it!!!!!
Journalism should seek out the truth, nomatter how bitter it is. Free speech means we get to the truth. Stop being cowards n face facts. If you don't you are complicit.
Fascinating interview... thx
I think Rupert Lowe said Pakistan would take them back. British human rights for minorities only would never allow that, for now.
Patrick is a hero! Patrick is a hero 🎉 Nah nah nah nah
In my opinion it is a easy question, in reality the msm is dominated by upper middle class types, they are brought up to look down and sneer at the majority, the working class, this is more evident in the south east, and urban centres around the uk.
No one talking about the armed masked uniformed islamic militia that attacked stoke on trent that the police allowed
Not only do they raise the council tax when they promised it wouldn't be put up, I've just been told that now my green bin will not be emptied unless i pay a £59 charge (rising to £65 next year).
Yeah my council keeps trying to get residents to agree to a parking permit scheme but it'd cost every resident 10% more council tax for no more services.
I still get insulted because I own GB news watching. But it’s just a part of my internet diet. There must obviously be so many people who watch it secretly! Given the figures. It’s great!
It was a cover up. They were not so incompetant when it came to muzzling those who opposed the atrocity.
Cancelling Council elections should be fought . Don't pay taxes until voting is allowed
The Love of Money 💰 Is What? = "The ROOT of ALL EVIL!"
Did I hear that correctly, 9 as the age of sexual consent?
What?😮😢
Yes !
In Iraq . How absolutely obscene and heartbreaking is that! Where is the outcry ? Those poor young girls God help them 🙏
Who has legislated on 9 as the she of sexual consent...is this to accommodate those cultures who relish child sex..all parents should be out in the streets.mehyvsre. Laws passed which are going to destroy us...where was this in the manifesto..thanks you labour voters and you non voters...
Vile disgusting excuse for human beings.
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Elizabeth Regina Nelson is a remarkable individual who has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life.
Wow 😲 have heard a lot of wonderful things about mrs Elizabeth Regina nelsen on the news but didn't believe it until now. l'm definitely trying her out😇
She is really a good investment advisor.
I was privileged to attend some of her seminars. That's how I started my own crypto investment.
Attending her seminars must have been incredibly informative and inspiring, encouraging you to take the leap and start your own crypto investment journey. That's fantastic!
Great conversation! We are right so far, not far right! 🏴✝️🇬🇧🙏🏼🎚️💪🏼 Proud patriot!!
I’ve joined Reform, it’s our only hope for sanity to come back to this country! We need to leaflet everywhere with the truth!
What is happening in Wales? Isis fighters and now Southport stabbing boy from Wales?
According to our EX leader Drakeford, we are a country of sanctuary, 😲 absolute bullshit, Wales has NEVER been a country of sanctuary that I know of, all made up by the woke agenda, I would like my country back to a time when I could walk on my own, anytime night or day without the fear of being attacked or killed, the politicians have absolutely ruined the UK, all traitors 🤬🤬🤬
Thanks Patrick; keep up the great work
Last year I tried to buy a kitchen knife set from Amazon and the checks refused me. This included a credit card check, you have to be of age to have a credit card ffs!
I’m 45 and my account is around 16 years old.
How did this guy get one if I was refused?
Worse- they are the direct consequences of deliberate government policy and PLANNING.
Now u will understand Tommy. Same people who slagged him off is seeing it all
Love Patrick and GBN.
Patrick is great !!
Incompetence let it flourish.
Evil covered it up.
Oil & water never mix🤔🤔
🇺🇸We like Patrick🇺🇸
I do wish GBNEWS would get rid of the smug Steven Dixon…….gnuuuurgh,
Great vid !
I like GB News….
Patrick I'm gutted about the conversation about Tommy Robinson!!! I had higher hopes for how what where and how you had opinions of ...but this view of Tommy Robinson is fatal....I'm not a Tommy Robinson follower...but what I've seen of Tommy Robinson my ears pricked up!! But boy, you're missing the point!!
PEOPLE NEED TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO, WE ARE TOO ACCEPTANT OF BULLYING
GB News became a 'Tories and trivia' network when they decided to sack any presenters who refused to toe the party line...
They had 100% anti Tory stories for a year before the election. Wake up pal
And yet there are also some topics which gbnews will not go near.
Have you ever read a news broadcaster's contract? The lawyers and insurance companies rule it all. Carry on!
To engage the youth we need UK personalities similar to Brett Cooper
The grooming/rape gangs were covered up. There is no cover-up at all regarding Southport. Incompetence on a criminal scale led to Southport. The Tories are to blame more than Labour. Prevent needs to be overhauled and more safeguards put in place. In one instance, a spelling mistake of Rudakubana's name led to his threat being overlooked.
I think the coverup happened after Southport.The fake ‘Far Right’ demonstrations that never materialised;the mass media coordinated by the Establishment reporting on far right marches that never happened.Not exactly a cover up but a real coordinated effort to pretend the Islamist problem isn’t a problem.Islamism is not going to go away.I’m afraid it will take a terrorist attack in the UK that kills thousands before the Woke captured establishment finally is confronted with the terrible truth.
Information was purposefully withheld to protect his identity, motives and severity of the attack.
@@ChemicalOly How on earth was Rudakubana's identity covered up? His name was revealed as soon as charges were brought just 3 days later. In fact, the authorities revealed his identity when they didn't have to because of his age. In most cases, motive is not established until the full facts of the case are known. Just because there was sufficient evidence to bring charges, that doesn't mean the Police knew his motive. Then, in line with every other murder case, details are not made public until the court case. When guilt was established, more information was revealed, such as the severity of the attack. Name one case where the Police or prosecution reveal EVERYTHING before a court case. You just haven't engaged your brain to think, have you? You're blinded by a desire to want a conspiracy and a cover-up when there is neither.
Stop waving the hands around ... Very distracting.
It's not difficult to wake younger people up, I'm sorry it's just not hard to do but it comes again down to the will to do it. You need to make the things we like about our culture, our values cool. You need to make it so we're the fun side, we're at the house party relaxing and having fun while the other side is outside screaming at the moon like maniacs and more and more people will gravitate to our side, and when they begin to do so they'll begin to wake up. UK Podcasts on the whole are a more stodgy compared to U.S. ones, and some podcasts like this one feel like you're in a University lecture. We need to make these things fun because culture is how we win the culture war.
Agree but yt is censored so worthless.
Who's interested?
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“I wouldn’t wander into a trap like that again”. Unfortunately I think you will
GB News, where are Alex, Lawrence and Calvin?? Are you anything but controlled opposition at this point?
Mark Steyn
It's pretty obvious what they are. Even so, the few still talking about Islam like Patrick and Neil will soon be gone when Raynor brings in her blasphemy law. Then the whole endeavour will finally collapse for good.
Yes - what about the parents??
The public need to understand what is possible in terms of kerbing teenagers. AFAIK in the 60s teens could be sent to secure hospitals by a judge at the request of parents and social services. I saw it IRL.
THE PARENTS ARE WORN DOWN WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY WORKING 80 HRS A WEEK BETWEEN THEM AND WHEN IT COMES TO PUNISHING THE CHILD THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PHYSICALLY PULL THEM UP AND TRHATS WHATS MISSING
I heard on an expat podcast that Rudakubana may have emigrated, rather than having sought asylum. Do we know for sure that he sought asylum?
How long until GBN sack Patrick for not following the msm
A fearless approach to free speech is essential...as long as you don't criticise Israel, obviously.
With the parents of the Southport Killer, we have to learn lessons.
Parents need to stop seeing it as the State's responsibility to educate our children, especially when it comes to mortality and world view. It's ours, the State can help, but both we and the state need to remember they work for us.
Secondly, as with gun crime in the US, the fault isn't with the weapon. It's the breakdown in society, which in part is due to multiculturalism and in part due to neoliberal and Socialist endeavours to break up families and communities.
With the latter, one of the biggest contributors is the act of sending our children out of our communities to university or college. They are indoctrinated with all kinds of ridiculous ideas and never return to thwir communities. That causes a brain drain, which is why certain areas in the UK are in massive decline.
Perhaps if they stayed and set up businesses there would be something in their small town worth staying for.
No, Connor, you aren't gen zee. You are gen zed. You can't claim to be a guardian of England and English if you use American words and spellings.
No one says gen zed. Anywhere.
Part 1: So before watching i want to make a couple of points. (I'm I'll and in pain and on strong pain killers now and again so I will not be up to my usual deep dive i don't think. That might be a good thing though for any reader of what follows)
Your framing of the question sets up a binary opposition or disjunction between "Evil" and "Incompetence". Lets deconstruct this a bit. So to what concept or category would you oppose "Evil" with? Would it be active and maybe consequential "Good" or just a passivity or negation "Do no evil". So to what do you oppose "incompetence"? "Competence"?
Now when we think of "good" we can think in terms rooted in will and intention and purpose or aim primarily with respect to a person and agent. People and the things people do are classed as good in terms of intent. In modern times though good has been linked more directly to measurable and predictable consequences as in 19th 20th century utilitarianism. Then we can say institutions policy laws are good or not without any reference to an intention by an agent, we say the institution is good due to its effects. But in this consequentialist (Peter Geach) view the opposite of good then must be only in terms of either neglectful, eg "not-"goods that could have been done"," eg difference utilitarianism so popular now in political discourse i or instituional policies that cause more harm and pain rather than good. We may be tempted then to call institutions "evil" on these purely consequentialist criteria even though the metrics will always be of a policy difference never a pure quantity. Then you can get statements like some people benefited from the policy others lost or were harmed compared with another possible policy that could have been implemented. Can we then say "the institution was good towards some people and bad harmful neglectful or towards others"? So then good and its opposite bad/harmful/neglectful/evil as category labels for institutions just depends on who is chosen to report and/or the schema of people measured? Good or evil depends on who you are with resect to the institution. So for some it can be good and others evil at the same time. We may say the evil is the result of neglect or un-metrices negative outcomes. A Double effect or unintended consequence might not be appropriate since it may impose a mythical intent from the institution that is categorically inappropriate even though they say things like "the institution has apologised". In the politics we are familiar with the instituional consequential issue here is schematised by appeal to law, justice and equality, and or political basis. Eg with an appeal to justice and equality any possible winners and losers are schematicised with respect to a wide scope equality metric. So a policy may have massive different differential effects on different people in its scope, but now these are assessed not with regard to individual or aggregated individuals but to those individuals as firstly members of a grouping according to say race and or gender. Now named person “s” may suffer loss or enjoy gain from a policy but we must look to “s” firstly as a member of a Set or group “S”. Now we say there are differential winners and losers in terms of groups but this can be justified not by utility defiance with respect to other possible policy but with respect to whole groups in the context of a idea of all groups that make up the population universe (Universe is “Set of all sets” in which only sets exist and no non set member individual can exit. “I wouldn’t be a member of a set that would have me as a member”)
This Social justice schema could be thought of as both a higher order notion of Good in Justice that deals with all people, or as an excuse for dealing some people from the bottom of the pack. Oddly ideas of justice as opposed to pure utility were meant as a limit to utilitarian exculpations of harm and neglect due to democracy and institutions. That is the double effect phenomena of difference in who gets what, can mean “the sacrifice of a few people for the Greater good”, is intrinsic in pure utilitarianism and takes on a powerful will of its own when we think of democratic politics as a conflict not just between winners but also between who losses? We say yes they were sacrificed but their party policy and institution lost the election. It is the democratic “will of the people”. Human individual and group rights were meant to limit this risk, but now rather than limiting it with respect to a country, they seek to expand the metric scope of utility measure to the whole world by set and groups membership. So world like group membership differential utility metrics eg a white man may be subject to a differential national utility loss or injury with respect to the countries group schema population, but when a world or planetary point of view is made the group schema now the 3rd would wars and famines “deflate” the loss to a subliminal insignificant figure.
Part 2: This utilitarian approach with its metrics and schemas, both masks and excuses any harms as mere technicalities, and it “eliminates” any notion of intention of the institutional agents and so responsibility. They indeed appeal to the external metric “we didn’t have enough money because of the last government’s policies”. With instituional utilitarianism then we have both technical exculpations externally, and internal exculpations as both using the former as a personal excuse, and as a structural veil of ignorance and insulation of its agents from responsibility. Instituional agents and their policy are only ever view as subjects of those policies not as substantive agents of them. If there is a category of evil it cannot be grounded in any utilitarian excuses, or accidents, it has to be grounded in a will and intent of the institutional agents. This may seem impossible from the start since to be an institutional actor is to be acting out of duty public duty in virtue of their station competence and authority and legitimacy, whereas here then a use of a private policy in a public office would normally be malfeasant and open to categorical evil as a private ill though the institutional private policy or private use of a public policy, the political turn toward social justice schema had made the privileging of certain gropes now essential in all policy by whole world utility metrics and Social justice informed regulations. No one join a particular institution to do public duty, they join the particular institution with its particular schema to prosecute private aims with publically authorised “public duties”. Now whereas the privileging of public duty in law in institutions had been seen as “limiting” the possible vice laden actions of institutional actors, rather private vice has become the very aim and purpose of institutional agents. They disguise this with a sublime media presentation of the horrors suffered by their own or representing group. Whereas the left talked of structural bias in institutions with respect to external outcomes only, the term structure here is an attempt to “deflate” any primary reference to “conscious” intent, and rather to re frame the meaning into agentless terms, such that the structural schema is substantively equivalent (Frege on set function substation) to any intentional description. And so intent can be technically eliminated form reasons without apparent loss.
Now all this above comes into clear view when we ask about institutional activity an incompetence. Where there is competence we have the effective measurable management of public duty through shell institutional instruments and we can talk of competence, but since any private intent is left at the door of the institution then this would seem to simultaneously mean that agent is just doing instituional deontology functionary. Incompetence then would mean just poor management of duties by outcomes. That is more usually classed as an accident than as malfeasance. Any ascription of evil intent is lost then behind a veil of anonymity and excesses of accidents lack of money and not intents. This can set up bad and problematic incentives, in that poor application of duties can be an excuse for more money rather than being fired or charged with criminal activity. There is though a place left for both agent competence and a category of public duty that sees public duty as a instrument for private aims. Now the democratic and the justice schema along with its a priori partisanship (eg group reprehensive and or advocacy)approach to public office combines the private use of public office. This has no limits really and can and often does become the criteria of competence in public office or privileging particular groups in utility as the job and duty description but then this will spread to include such tactics in the use of the law and regulation and activity with regard to enquiries. The perceived institutional duty to be, in the first instance, representing and advocating for a particular group in policy implementation can spread to the whole structure of the institutional laws and rules, now avoiding criticism is at once: a representative and advocate maxim, a public private political duty that sees the rules and laws as affordances in this, not limits, and plausible individual deniability it is the old notion of vice turned into a political virtue. The success of these tactics though have opened up a possible space for talking about evil here. A space closed down by the rolling out of the enlightenment and its elimination of intention and will for institutional structure.
Part 3:a) So its funny I watched great movie yesterday “Father Stu(?)” (With Mark Walberg). Then I got increasing pain from a cracked back tooth. I have not enjoyed a happy experience or relationship with the NHS and Dentists for some years now. Made a maxim to never go back, but now I’m loaded with mega strength pain killers and it’s getting worse what should I do?
b) Many years ago I got hold of a series of very good lectures on theology and history, normally very expensive but here probably hacked i think. But i cant remember then now. Anyway they are very cheap to free to watch now. i think 3nd to 5th century AD is where the problem of evil begins in The West. Clearly informed by Epicureanism Stoicism Neo-Platonism and early Christianity and Judaism.
The pain of my cracked tooth has spread to the right side of my face and down my right shoulder. My last time with the NHS with a previous issue i was given pills they said would make me grow women's breasts and loose my libido. Neither came true but it was scary. the women would ask me "Are you comfortable or embarrassed if we ask you to talk about your penis"?
Part 4 I think what maybe happening is a response by false negation to Hanna Arendt's new discussion of Evil as pure disinterested functionality a "lack" of a sense of intent in office and so authorship and responsibility. Banality of Evil. while captures the difficulty of thinking evil away from the agent centred tradition to modern institutions, it remains a kind of ontological lack or absence, while capturing something of the instrumentalist and methodical notions of evil that just vice of character does not.
Maybe the above was linked by the left to being an archetypical male problem of detachment and disenchantment, loss of feeling for pure duty. Men are now seen as robotic unfeeling lacking empathy and autistic. while now women are seen as now full of grace, feeling, empathy, and other and care orientated. Yes women loaded with a feeling of legitimate privilege to focus on there friend enemy biases and vices as if not just institutionally legitimate but a public duty to act out of private vice. Any resistance or critique is met with an intervention of black and ethnic minority security and then the police. all of them back up the more or less exclusively women medical staff i had to deal with. Hay who's side would you be on in this. We are for the Women and girls or as in NHS hospitals the mothers and babies department.
Cover ups clearly.
We live in fear - a big cost
i like Patrick, but I do not see why he had to tell that story. Its crap. I also don't know why jug ears tried to be snooby The thing is , Tommy , like him or not has done more and achieved,more then any of the middle-class parts on here
laissez faire parientalism, uk hedonists with keedz, blame the effect, set up a charity rather than accept guilt, accountability, uk parents are ideological teenagers, their keedz are wise and old!
Stopped calling them Elites FFS
A
more right wing lies. Christys has no understanding of the law once charges are laid - typical far right agitator.
Boo hoo….The typical lefty/progressive approved talking points being regurgitated once again🥱 It means nothing anymore but it has in fact outed the priorities of the Labour party and it sure as hell isn’t the British citizens. You sound like part of the problem🙄
More leftard approved regurgitated nonsense🙄
So you're a far left, militant, extremist?
ANOTHER SCROUNGING CHANNEL
Evil, evil, evil.
Big Pat 🫡 🇬🇧 Good content boys
I'm sure the public could do a better job investigating this than the police....getting pictures and videos and putting them online..could expose alot of those involved..
is there a difference?