The Curious Case of the Campden Wonder
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On the 16th of August, 1660, an approximately 70 year old William Harrison walked toward the village of Charingworth, about two miles from Chipping Campden, with the intention of collecting rent for his employer, the Lady Viscountess Campden.
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I got seasick just reading your comment.
Yes please. April Fools’, maybe
It's good that the townspeople stood up and said something about how messed up it was that those three were murdered but I'm willing to bet over half of them thought they were guilty too and cheered on their deaths.
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So if you had an enemy, you could frame them for your own murder and pop back up later with a story and happy days!!
Back in those days, all you had to do was accuse them of being a witch. Just the accusation was usually enough; no evidence required.
if people back in those days saw any of the technology we have today they would be sure that a Witch had taken over the world.
It's exactly like that now a days in the USA!
Being a "witch" was not the instant death sentence fiction, and awful poorly backed history, would lead you to believe. It was only a crime if you used it to harm another person. You could get shunned if you failed to give God full credit for granting you said magical powers.
You're right, I should have specified "malevolent witch." The good ones could help cure sickness or injuries and could do fortune-telling, seances, etc. But yeah, they had to credit the right supernatural being or it was torture time for them.
Never have i heard of any case where so many things simultaneously didn't make any sense
TheRealGamer I want to make a joke about US politics in response to that statement.
Nylak Otter Thank you for not bothering. We can make up our own. :)
I was gonna make a pun, but i suck at the execution.
Hang in there
You have actived Killer queens 3rd bomb: Bites za dusto
(Loudest groan you've Ever Heard)
That's bad.
That one was quite interesting.
Thanks Simon and *TIFO* crew. Appreciate the videos. :)
one question tho... I'd they where hanged, why is the thumbnail a guillotine?
You're very welcome :-)
The courts must never assume anything.
To the 'no body no murder' part I remember one crime show I watched a year ago said a particular murder in Texas, which hada similar law at the time, they never found the body but were able to prove the amount of blood soaking the floor was more than enough to kill said person and therefore they could prove they were dead based on blood loss.
Actually, whether you look into the "Habeus Corpus" or "Corpus Delecti" standards and paperworks, the wording in the fine print is "...body of the crime...". So there's a fair variety of court mandates, documentation standards, and evidence requirements to meet, but the body isn't necessarily (and to my knowledge has never actually been) the literal need of a corpse...
The specifics get kind of murky, depending on location, case law, and the specific people involved (some judges or DA's more liberal than others to interpretation), but as Simon explained, "body of the crime" (covered on Habeus Corpus filing) is just a clever way of demanding sufficient evidence provided to the court (and defense attorney, specifically) to prove that the crime in question has been committed. It's intended to avoid everyone getting arrested for murder, when there's no particular reason to believe anybody's even been killed...
I seem to remember something back in the day, though, about a criminal operation... In the show it was syndicated (organized crime) and they'd invented a person "on paper"... SO there was an identity for the police to blame, but the actual guy didn't physically exist... Only, then the one person who could legitimately sign the name quit... or got injured...something...
The whole rest of the "gang" ended up in jail, looking forward to execution for murdering their "underworld boss" when they'd been extorting people for decades, but no one had even been injured... just intimidated and stuff broken. (you know... "the security racket" thing)... I can't for the life of me remember the title... though...
...maybe it's time for a rewrite? (lolz) ;o)
The problem with this is that you can easily fake your own murder by soaking the floor with enough of your own blood to "prove" that you're dead. You can easily harvest enough of your blood overtime and keep it in bags for later use.
@@Accrovideogames The problem with that is that blood degrades over time, cells deform and lyse, and when the blood is analyzed, techs would find huge amounts of anticoagulant like sodium heparin or tetrasodium EDTA.
I love this channel. Don't need the bell icon, I look for new ones and re watch old ones...favorite is the damn near 50 minute video on American presidents that I watched start to finish! Keep it up Simon! Cheers from Memphis Tennessee my friend
Thanks!
It sounds like there was a patch of delicious looking strange mushrooms on the path between Chipping Campden and Charingworth villages.
super late reply but yes there are some around
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I have been waiting by my computer for THREE years for a reply!
@@strangelee4400 glad to be of service. have heard some grow on dovers hill
Torture is an unreliable means of interrogation, a lesson that has to this day, yet to be learned.
Exactly. If i was tortured to the point I thought I was going to die, I'd admit to anything the torturer would want to know. 9/11? Yeah, I did it. Cambodian Killing Fields? Hell, I was Pol Pot's right-hand-woman. Franz Ferdinand's assassination? I did it, he had it coming, I shot him.
JadedMuse Gotcha.
It's good for getting the story you want.
We have yet to learn it because it gives us exactly what we want. We simply must learn what we want first. Namely, a reliable, trustful confession
No shit. Torture isn't about getting the truth, it's used to extract information, where it is useful, or to coerce someone into saying what you want them to say.
What if the old man set the whole thing himself? Revenge for the first theft.
Very inciteful
Great story, thanks for this one! This channel started out awesome, and just keeps getting consistently better.
Thanks!
This was a really convoluted story! Interesting stuff
Thanks for covering this. I'm from Campden myself and I could never fully remember the story!
Where did phrases like "Kick the bucket" and "Bought the farm" and others similar idioms come from?
Don't know about kick the bucket, but 'buy the farm' is an American saying related to military death. There are a couple of theories as to its origin, the most popular being when a pilot crashed on farm land the farmer could sue the government for enough money to pay their mortgage, thus, the pilot 'bought the farm' for them. A more likely origin is that the family of a dead soldier could use the insurance money to pay off their mortgage, thus the soldier 'bought the farm' for their family. The term 'bought it' referring to death, is older and means to pay for something with your life.
So, did Joan weigh the same as a duck? If she did, then she was made of wood, and therefore...
Paul Drake a witch!
Classic
A WIIIITCH!
A WITCH!!
..."It's a fair cop."
well you are very welcome,
Ken Snider
Great research for this one. Thanks.
Why would they jump to the conclusion that John Perry was the killer when Harrison had already disappeared before Perry was sent out? Clearly something unusual had already happened before Perry became involved, and not knowing what that may have been, they really should have focused the investigation on figuring it out.
One has to wonder what sort of person John Perry was. Was he really afraid of the dark? Did he really hide in a hen house? Surely he should have either done his job or admitted that he couldn't do it because of the darkness. That story is so bizarre that it's no wonder people didn't believe it.
Perhaps Perry deserved what he got for the fact that he implicated his mother and brother in a crime they didn't commit. Clearly he was a threat to everyone around him and perhaps the world was better off without him. If I were being tortured to confess something I hadn't done, I'd like to think that I would at least avoid dragging other innocent people into it.
Or perhaps John Perry justifiably hated Joan and Richard. Maybe they were terrible people who abused John and made John's life so horrible that it transformed John into the sort of person who hides in a hen house due to being afraid of the dark. Maybe the world really was better off without Joan and Richard. It's almost like John sacrificed himself to help us be rid of them.
it was not uncommon at the time to "suggest" who the accomplices where and then beat you until you agreed with the interrogator. Thus the story changed over and over.
The Vietnam POWs, who got captured and sent to the Hanoi prison, got tortured. The torture was so bad that they succumbed to saying whatever the torturers wanted. Never underestimate the cruelty that torture people must endure.
Looking Fine as always, simon!
I thought this was a standard copycat facts channel originally, but now I see the content is great. Keep it up.
Thanks, Simon and TIFO crew, love the great work you all do day in and day out! Potential video topic for you: why does ice hockey use a puck instead of a ball like virtually every other sport?
Gotta love a happy ending eh?
They had to gird themselves for a short, sharp shock.
Boy... That John Perry guy...
What a jerk!
thank you for easing my troubled mind...this has bugged me my entire life
Fantastic tale!
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Hi, I'm not Lewis Carroll! It's a pleasure to make your non-acquaintance!
G E N E R A L K E N O B I
3:08 *Peasce*
lol just about to type about that
The wonderful British historian Hugh Ross Williamson wrote about this case in his book Who Was the Man in the Iron Mask? And Other Historical Mysteries. I found his explanation to be the most likely. Fascinating book for people who like...well, history and mysteries.
Could you do a video Burke and Hare?
Maybe... ;-)
Oh TIFO, you little tease. I look forward to this maybe world.
I really like this channel. I always learn something interesting.
human trafficking at 70 yrs old? Weird.
LOL. I'm thinking he was having an affair. Came home to after the affair fizzled or the money ran out.
These stories are always interesting, but I have to tell you, Simon, I often find it very difficult to follow all of the characters. :/ You seem to just fly through a list of names, and I can never follow which ones which.... Am I the only one having this problem?
It would have been nice if they had portraits or avatars of the characters up on display or something during the retelling.
No, I did as well.
Maybe try playing it at 0.75 speed?
Jennifer Hart no, it’s not really a speed problem; it’s more a narration problem.
Brandon same
Another great video. Love all your all’s channel’s! Thanks for all the hard work and continuing to allow me to not need cable! Lol
This would've been better if you had representatives of the people
The principle of "Habeus Corpus" (literally, "that you have a body") does exist. This principle actually (per Wikipedia) derived from the Assizes of Clarendon (1100s), and was codified in England in 1679 with the Habeus Corpus Act. However (contrary to many people's common belief), this is not about dead bodies but about unlawful detention. It may be that the meaning of the latin combined with the fact that this was codified at about the same time might have led people to think that there was a connection.
US had something like no body no murder, but it wasn't so much that no murder happened, but rather a policy that the death penalty would not be on the table without bodies.
A policy that was a good thing since there had been a case where a man was put to death for the murder of a friend who turned out to be alive the entire time.
I watch so many of your videos (including top10s) in a row sometimes that I eventually tune you out and get sleepy. Just now after "murdered his master" I was all WHA? and went back to the beginning
That thumbnail though...
Good video mate.
These "the curious case of" video titles sound like the name of a Perry Mason episode.
Perry Mason? Who's that? ;)
A 70 year old man in the 1660s....walks? Set upon? Stabbed? Kidnapped? Ship? Escape ? On foot returns home? A seventy year old man in the 1660s. This story has got to be BS
My grandfather, at the age of 86, hiked from my father's home near Washington PA, which is just south of Pittsburgh, through Pittsburgh to my aunt's home South of Butler pa, which is the county seat North of Pitrsburgh. In effect two counties, almost 40 miles. The next year, he got mad at my aunt and was walking to be with my father when he was hit by a DUI driver. People, even old people, thought nothing of walking on roads even as late as the 1960s. In the early 60s, my parents bought him a bus ticket for he wanted to see his sister in Hagerstown MD, he was about 82, he refused the ticket and walked from my Father's home to Hagerstown. My parents had to cash in the ticket. People traveled on foot even in their old age prior to the generation that embraced the automobile, and that was the people who came of age post WWII (My father was the first generation in my family to own a car, and that was in 1948, older people still walked).
I had an ancestor who lived to be 82 during that time but he lived in Bavaria.
This case makes me go...WTF???
👍!👍!👍!👍! Good job.
Simon, should do a video of towns named after sci-fi characters. Heard there is one in Canada, named Flin Flon
This is why I am against the death penalty. I believe there are crimes bad enough to warrant execution, and I don't think locking someone up for life is really more merciful. The problem is that it's irreversible, and any justice system will make mistakes, so we can't afford to use irreversible punishments.
Hey TIFO team! I had a couple of ideas for new videos you could do. One is how accurate is the out cry over the battle field V? If you don't know about it the cover person for the game set in WWII is a disabled woman enlisted in the US army. Could something like this have happened? My other idea was how does the body get a fever. Like, what specifically causes the body to heat up. You could also explore the causes and systems behind other symptoms. Keep up the good work! :)
Hey so here's a viewer idea. How about the time Chrysler built missiles for the US government. Operation paperclip. Hope you are having a splendid weekend and thanks for all the content you provide.
How about, why is a bullseye in darts or other marksmanship games called a bullseye?
Great story, sad ending.
Should do a video on marty robbins and his obsession with the number 21. See: theyre hanging me tonight, big iron, billy the kid, and running gun.
Aaaay, I live in Gloucestershire!
3:00 “Peasce, Peace”
Haigh was pretty sure it was "No body, no murder".
I'm suspicious of this silver bowl story.
👏🏻 👏🏻 bonus facts?
Bonus fact: Chipping Campden is approximately 150 kilometers northwest of London.
London or the City of London?
+Caleb Champion Don't overthink it.
It's a valid question
And the word 'chipping' comes from 'ceaping', the Old English word for a marketplace.
Some serious fibbing didn't end well in Chipping Campden!
Very interesting!
this story is just one example (that is known) why I am against the death penalty, there is no fixing a mistake . RIP
*_.."Questioning of the strong armed variety,"..OMG~So funny__*
Is the 7-year missing rule an international law? The one that states that anyone missing for 7 years after the report is assumed dead?
This story sounds familiar to the execution of Justine in Frankenstein.
Hey... Where's Perry?
There goes Corpus Delicti
Say that again.
Where do you buy your shirts man? I have a similar build but it's so hard to find shirts that fit properly.
Even then. If you are poor guilty. If you are rich not guilty until proven guilty.
i genuinely live 5 minutes from chipping camden, do i need to worry :-D
It would be a really funny meme if you just introduced yourself as Vsauce one time
What if she really was a witch?
in the same vein you could do a video on the rupture of the temple curtain at jezus death(Matteus 27) and what happened to the 40 that had plotted against paul and vowed to not eat or drink untill he was death (acts 23) Just curious if you can find any historical data on these. ;) keep up the good work.
So if it covered pardons for crimes as long as the crime wasn't robbery, murder, rape, witchcraft, sodomy, or bestiality, which crimes were actually forgiven? Adultery and assault?
If I remember correctly, Sodomy was a rather vague legal term that covered a number of both consensual and non-consensual sex acts. While today people generally use the term to refer to anal sex outside of legal context, back then it usually referred to anything from the aforementioned butt love (especially between homosexuals), oral sex, and at the height of Victorian-era prudence, any coitus not in the missionary position, regardless of marital status. I think Sodomy covered most forms of "adultery" if it violated a marriage, though I think it also applied to sex with, and possibly between minors. So no, I don't think all adulterers were exempt, maybe just some. As for assault, I'm not quite sure how it was categorized back then, but today it's usually a misdemeanor, and this exemption list seems to exclude what were capital crimes at the time.
drtm17 Æ that's kind of my point. What crimes that a person committed during wartime would be big enough to need a pardon but aren't listed as exclusions in the list?
probably the crimes you would be interested in doing during a war between nobles, like arson, destruction of property and kidnapping.
Jen Blevins-Postgate. Theft, various types of assault, various frauds, various trading laws (weights & measures), arson and other damage, riot, treason without murder, perjury, and no doubt several hundred more...
noname atall good suggestions!
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Dude...
does anyone know if plazma cutters work the same as in dead space?,cause i just got a "science"togiligy ad again.
Lesson learnt: Always call or text home to tell them where you are ..... Even if phones have not yet been invented, send a _Snapchat._
That's dumb. Don't we have fridge magnets and sticky notes next to the keys?
Also, I'm curious, can one send a Snapchat without a phone? What size limits?
Zigalko don Verven Yes, you can. What we did in the year 1660, was to send it by pigeons .... or if it was winter and you needed express delivery, you sent it by raven.
I've got to say that normally channels of this type are full of apocrypha and bullshit and yours seems to be very considered and reality-based. Thank you for that. Because you just know you could cash in by talking about how the chupacabra might just be real and here's a shitty implausible photo of it with scary music.
5:30 so in England you can get a license for murder?
Can we execute the pauls?
Go do your homework.
So u want to execute a couple of UA-cam's?
What did WE do?
You sound really nervous in this video haha
9:25
Are any facts known about this case at all?
good
Someone lived to be 70 in 1660?
Yep advanced age is more common in history before "modern" times than most people suspect.
They'd have done better to ban torture as a useless way of gathering info. They will say anything to make the pain stop, selling out their own mother in fact.
is it just me that noticed a typo "peasce"?
Probably not a typo. This was hundreds of years ago, spellings change.
Being a witch was a capital offence .
The important take away is: never trust your family.
Sometimes there is no justice
to bad that Perry thought that was the right time to practice his writing skills!
What has this tale to do with anything?
All you'd need is a pig farm
New Topic: why are red heads so sensitive to the sun and where did the belief that they have no soul come from?
Did they subpoena the servant's cell phone records? That might crack the case wide open!
I found this story very difficult to follow...
Creamy
Why the hell did he keep saying he did things... an that his mother an brother did too... things he nor they supposedly never did.. his poor family must have just been like why in the hell are you doing this!!
Licensed rape? WTF?