Using Google Earth I did take a shot of the Thornborough Henges and transported them across the globe to Egypt, I was somewhat pleased to note that the spacing, size and slight misalignment was almost precisely the same as the 3 Giza Pyramids. Which as everyone knows now are almost exact reflections of the 3 stars of Orion’s Belt. I also believe that there is another Henge located at the same geographical position in England that would align it with Sirius, The Dog Star. Alas I have not yet been able to find this missing henge.
They do fit the pattern. I thought to see if there were any sites corresponding to any of the other stars of Orion and there were a few close to the correct positions, but nothing conclusive. Of course the larger distances would be harder to survey accurately for such placement (for the belt you just need 2 slightly different angles from the central point and then get the spacing right). There are a few henges in roughly the right area for Sirius such as the Hutton Moor Henge and the Cana Henge (but why build 2?). A more precise place for Sirius would be around 54.125045, -1.449186 so have a look there.
I have a bronze age ceremonial axe head that my dad dug out of a field to the west of the henges, near one of the points you were looking at to correspond with the wider Orion star map. (Near Middleton quernhow)
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video. Any plans to visit on one of the northern lunar standstill events? They are ongoing over the next year or so though for moonset there are better times/phases. I have a post on Facebook with good info links: facebook.com/share/p/gxFKY9whUEt8fY5F/
Howard Crowhurst has an amazing piece of work regarding these henges and their connection to ALL the stone age sites in the north of england. The Megalithic Plan is the name of his book and is a must read to help understand their purpose. His book on the carnac alignments is equally enlightening. You will not regret buying either.
@richardclegg7846 You're not alone mate! Howard is brilliant. In my view he only has one thing wrong and that is his insistence on the metre. It's not that the distance measured is incorrect, rather that it is really a yard of three drusian feet as explained by John Neal and John Michell. I think the difference in the two lengths is 1mm. The metrology is just as important as the geometry but I'm nitpicking...! His geometry is perfect.
@@SamHarrison-oe3fn alignments over tremendous distances within one degree are very impressive! Strangely enough I built a folly with standing stones at the entrance. Only upon completion did the customer note that the central line was exact East West. God's are with me I suppose lol
Being a Yorkshireman of interesting pursuits I've spent many years researching Thornborough, and its surroundings. If I could give you a couple of pointers, The Rudston Monolith, The Devils Arrows, and Skipsea castle which isn't a castle . Really enjoyed this video, great work, thank you.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Rudston is fascinating, a monolith that tall certainly had some great significance. I took a look at the surrounding cursus monuments and found some interesting sightline alignments from the terminal ends (though obstructed today). The Devils Arrows has some likely standstill alignments similar to Thornborough. I'm not familiar with Skipsea 'castle', is it built on an earlier site?
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase Skips castle isn't a castle, recent research has found it to be a pyramid mound, the same as Silbury hill. There is what appears to be a cursus of some kind not too Far East of Thornborough, it starts as Badger bank a mile west of Watt, and moves north east with a slight turn at Sutton Howgrave, it eventually terminates (or appears to terminate) at Ainderby Steeple. You can see it on older google earth images, in fact you have shown a section of it in this video next to one of the lost henges. Hope you find this useful .
@@hairblimp fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing! Do you know of anywhere with more info, maps, images etc. that I could look. What is the timestamp in the video where some of the cursus appears?
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase 7 mins, 45 seconds you have the cursus going bottom to top through the centre of the screen, the ring mark you highlight to the right of it is the remains of a Cairn, there is another crop mark just above the Cairn which is very interesting, as for maps, try searching for the 1888 6" to 1 mile ordnance survey map, it has all the lost henges marked upon it but not this Cursus, it took aviation photography to bring that to light, incidentally there was a Chariot burial found right next to it several years ago.
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase hi , one is at a place called called Hutton Conyer and the other is next to it at Copt Hewick . They are farmers fields now ploughed and stuff , but with lidar they stick out like a sore thumb and in line with the Thornborough henges and of the same construction . Go to nls maps and on the 1842 map they are all marked with other now long ploughed away ones marked also , also others can be traced with lidar in-between Thornborough and Hutton Conyer all in line with all entry and exits facing the same direction .
The absolute maximum usually takes place at a half moon phase near the equinoxes, but the exact maximum observable from any place on Earth can change based on the timing of the lunar orbit and its precession. In reality for around 2 years either side of this the moon will reach practically the same maximum positions to the north and south at various phases occur every month. As for the significance to people in the past setting up such alignments, the first step is to gather data and document the possibilities (an area where there is A LOT more work to be done despite a few famous places that seem to get all the attention). I think the significance could range from simple desire to connect to the pattern of these extremes (like the solstices are the yearly extremes of the sun) all the way up to the possible interest in tracking these patterns because of how they connect with the timing of lunar (and solar) eclipses. Of course there is going to be a lot of culture and mythology connected as well, but there is only so much we can glean from what is left behind. Again, the first step is to preserve, document, and aggregate the data (especially before it disappears at some sites).
@@flip180668 You are welcome! I have some other videos and resources on the website with dates for the current major lunar standstill of the cycle if you are interested: www.exploreglobe.net/major-lunar-standstill.html
I'm hoping to visit these next week on a hike from Bedale to Ripon.Many of Orion's stars are quite remote and not many within 50 parsecs so they won't appear to have moved much in the last 6000 years.
I'm glad you get to visit, I hope you have an enjoyable experience. It is true that the stars of Orion have remained in a fairly stable position for a good while. There has only been a slight change in the 3 stars of Orion's head and a star or two in his forward extended arm. I've been looking to get some views straight through the entrances in both directions of the central henge. If you willing/able and would like to share that would be amazing.
That should be a great experience. Be sure to take lots of pictures, especially one directly through the entrance looking in one direction all the way through the henge and then a photo in the opposite direction from the other entrance, if you can.
Thornborough Triple Henge and the 3 pyramids Egypt fit/ align with Orion (brightest constellation in sky & visible world wide) belt. Thanks for Qualified open minded video
Having ancestral ties to the area, and still carrying a variation of the surname of Thornborough, I am especially thrilled to see your video! Imagine how beautiful the grand structures were covered in gypsum during a full moon! Weird coincidence, long before I knew of my ancestry, I have always been drawn to the Moon, and Orion. Now it's clear why that is, and it is amazing
One of the arguments against the Orion theory is that if you arrange ANY three objects in a row but make a mistake in the offset of ANY ONE of the three, they will always look like the Orion sequence. Line up three equally spaced plates on a table but with any one of the three offset - Orion. Line up three bikini girls on a beach but with any one of the three slightly not in line - Orion. Three cans of Coke on a bar, Orion. Three horses in a field, Orion. Three pyramids of Gaza, Orion. And yet if you get them exactly in a line - well, pick any other three stars that are actually in a line and say 'miracle',
Perhaps so, but the angle itself is not insignificant at 172.4° and although many slightly offset rows are claimed for Orion's Belt, the configuration at Thornborough matches that angle very precisely and the stars are not exactly equidistant which is also perfectly reflected at Thornborough. It seems that they were fairly competent at laying out these monuments, so it seems unlikely to simply be a mistake in which case the reason for the offset has to be taken into account. In this case it matches so well that I feel it is a distinct possibility although of course we can never know for sure as is the nature of archaeology. I do find it interesting that there are possible monuments at locations corresponding to the sword stars, Orion's 'head', as well as Rigel and Betelgeuse, but more work would need to be done to determine the dating of these sites.
Interesting that the angle from southern to central henge is 327 degrees. 354 divided by 3.27 is 108 (rounding). (354 days in a lunar year, Moon is 108 times it's diameter from Earth and has a radius of 1080 miles). You could see the whole site as measuring 1.08 miles. I'm sure there's more.
Awesome work as always brother... Love the way you research... You have me thinking... This sure would have made a great way to count the number of Major Lunar standstills... 30 of them would make a phoenix rising of 558 years... And as you know, this is when Eris aligns with the Sun at 0° Aries... The question becomes, where would they have places the witness marks to count to 30... ❤🙏
It is a fascinating area indeed but I couldn't fit it all into this video. I have done work with the Devil's Arrows, Cana Henge, Copt Hewick Cursus, Hutton Moor Henge, Nunwick Henge, Catterick Henge, Scorton Cursus, Mouton Henge, and lots of other mounds and cairns. So much work to be done! What surrounding sites are of most interest to you?
The Central henge is looking at the major lunar standstill at the azimuth-angle of a 3-4-5 Pythagorean triangle (53.13 degrees), the neolithic culture (like as many other sites, Crucuno for example) must have though the MLSS at the latitude it creates a Pythagorean triangle was very important and as such monumentalized it.
Trouble with drawing lines on maps is scale. The width of the lines can cover quite a few metres on the ground. So almost anything can often be claimed. Also as the universe is expanding stars and galaxies are speeding apart. And as there is no actual relationship between the stars, just as they are viewed from earth, how is this all taken into account?
Hi, do you mean for the Orion constellation configuration? At time stamp 5:30 you can see a comparison of the change to the stars relative to one another over time (stellar proper motion) since the henges were built. There is some change in relative position for a few of the stars (usually the ones closer to Earth so that the angular change over time is more pronounced) but not really much difference over a mere 5,000 years (not that long on cosmic scales).
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase I noticed that one of the alignments for the southern henge ran straight across a circular mark. The ring I saw had a central mark as well reminiscent of a round house so would be too modern if it is. On the other hand, I don’t like coincidences.
@@peterbriers2995 do you mean the mark between the henges that shows at 18:55? I think it might be a later addition but I think it may have been placed purposely. From the lower vantage looking NW the line goes right past it so as not to interfere. From the higher vantage looking SE I modeled an estimated height and it didn't seem to interfere with moonrise but rather worked with the alignment.
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase yep, that’s the one. Possible Bronze Age ring cairn and cyst? Lot of digging to be done! Glad I am too old for that now but I look forward to the fruits of other peoples labour
It is a fascinating area indeed but I couldn't fit it all into this video. I have done work with the Devil's Arrows, Cana Henge, Copt Hewick Cursus, Hutton Moor Henge, Nunwick Henge, Catterick Henge, Scorton Cursus, Mouton Henge, and lots of other mounds and cairns. So much work to be done! What surrounding sites are of most interest to you?
I believe the purpose of henges were to enrich soil or compost so to speak. As all henges around the world are of similar design and near water sources. I think it was done to enrich the soil to be able to support farming agricultural needs.
This is great❤
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Using Google Earth I did take a shot of the Thornborough Henges and transported them across the globe to Egypt, I was somewhat pleased to note that the spacing, size and slight misalignment was almost precisely the same as the 3 Giza Pyramids. Which as everyone knows now are almost exact reflections of the 3 stars of Orion’s Belt. I also believe that there is another Henge located at the same geographical position in England that would align it with Sirius, The Dog Star. Alas I have not yet been able to find this missing henge.
They do fit the pattern. I thought to see if there were any sites corresponding to any of the other stars of Orion and there were a few close to the correct positions, but nothing conclusive. Of course the larger distances would be harder to survey accurately for such placement (for the belt you just need 2 slightly different angles from the central point and then get the spacing right). There are a few henges in roughly the right area for Sirius such as the Hutton Moor Henge and the Cana Henge (but why build 2?). A more precise place for Sirius would be around 54.125045, -1.449186 so have a look there.
Would be worth requesting permission to do a trial trench on proposed locations. I’d love do this
or at least geophysical surveys.
I have a bronze age ceremonial axe head that my dad dug out of a field to the west of the henges, near one of the points you were looking at to correspond with the wider Orion star map.
(Near Middleton quernhow)
I love visiting the Thornborough Henges... it's on about an hour from where I live. I really appreciate your thoroughness with this video.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the video. Any plans to visit on one of the northern lunar standstill events? They are ongoing over the next year or so though for moonset there are better times/phases. I have a post on Facebook with good info links: facebook.com/share/p/gxFKY9whUEt8fY5F/
Howard Crowhurst has an amazing piece of work regarding these henges and their connection to ALL the stone age sites in the north of england.
The Megalithic Plan is the name of his book and is a must read to help understand their purpose. His book on the carnac alignments is equally enlightening. You will not regret buying either.
Bang on. Thought I was the only one 😅
@richardclegg7846 You're not alone mate! Howard is brilliant. In my view he only has one thing wrong and that is his insistence on the metre. It's not that the distance measured is incorrect, rather that it is really a yard of three drusian feet as explained by John Neal and John Michell. I think the difference in the two lengths is 1mm. The metrology is just as important as the geometry but I'm nitpicking...! His geometry is perfect.
@@SamHarrison-oe3fn alignments over tremendous distances within one degree are very impressive! Strangely enough I built a folly with standing stones at the entrance. Only upon completion did the customer note that the central line was exact East West. God's are with me I suppose lol
Just visited it today. Unbelievably peaceful. Thank you for sharing this
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and visiting this wonderful ancient site!
Being a Yorkshireman of interesting pursuits I've spent many years researching Thornborough, and its surroundings. If I could give you a couple of pointers, The Rudston Monolith, The Devils Arrows, and Skipsea castle which isn't a castle . Really enjoyed this video, great work, thank you.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Rudston is fascinating, a monolith that tall certainly had some great significance. I took a look at the surrounding cursus monuments and found some interesting sightline alignments from the terminal ends (though obstructed today). The Devils Arrows has some likely standstill alignments similar to Thornborough. I'm not familiar with Skipsea 'castle', is it built on an earlier site?
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase Skips castle isn't a castle, recent research has found it to be a pyramid mound, the same as Silbury hill.
There is what appears to be a cursus of some kind not too Far East of Thornborough, it starts as Badger bank a mile west of Watt, and moves north east with a slight turn at Sutton Howgrave, it eventually terminates (or appears to terminate) at Ainderby Steeple. You can see it on older google earth images, in fact you have shown a section of it in this video next to one of the lost henges. Hope you find this useful .
@@hairblimp fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing! Do you know of anywhere with more info, maps, images etc. that I could look. What is the timestamp in the video where some of the cursus appears?
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase 7 mins, 45 seconds you have the cursus going bottom to top through the centre of the screen, the ring mark you highlight to the right of it is the remains of a Cairn, there is another crop mark just above the Cairn which is very interesting, as for maps, try searching for the 1888 6" to 1 mile ordnance survey map, it has all the lost henges marked upon it but not this Cursus, it took aviation photography to bring that to light, incidentally there was a Chariot burial found right next to it several years ago.
My favourite Yorkshire places. I'm from Holmfirth
There's three more , in line with these and about two mile away from them but in perfect line .
Do you have coordinates?
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase hi , one is at a place called called Hutton Conyer and the other is next to it at Copt Hewick . They are farmers fields now ploughed and stuff , but with lidar they stick out like a sore thumb and in line with the Thornborough henges and of the same construction . Go to nls maps and on the 1842 map they are all marked with other now long ploughed away ones marked also , also others can be traced with lidar in-between Thornborough and Hutton Conyer all in line with all entry and exits facing the same direction .
@carolarmer1204 very interesting!
@@carolarmer1204 thanks 😊
What significance would the max Southerly or Northerly positions reflect? What time of year/ month would this likely be?
The absolute maximum usually takes place at a half moon phase near the equinoxes, but the exact maximum observable from any place on Earth can change based on the timing of the lunar orbit and its precession. In reality for around 2 years either side of this the moon will reach practically the same maximum positions to the north and south at various phases occur every month. As for the significance to people in the past setting up such alignments, the first step is to gather data and document the possibilities (an area where there is A LOT more work to be done despite a few famous places that seem to get all the attention). I think the significance could range from simple desire to connect to the pattern of these extremes (like the solstices are the yearly extremes of the sun) all the way up to the possible interest in tracking these patterns because of how they connect with the timing of lunar (and solar) eclipses. Of course there is going to be a lot of culture and mythology connected as well, but there is only so much we can glean from what is left behind. Again, the first step is to preserve, document, and aggregate the data (especially before it disappears at some sites).
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase thank you
@@flip180668 You are welcome! I have some other videos and resources on the website with dates for the current major lunar standstill of the cycle if you are interested:
www.exploreglobe.net/major-lunar-standstill.html
I'm hoping to visit these next week on a hike from Bedale to Ripon.Many of Orion's stars are quite remote and not many within 50 parsecs so they won't appear to have moved much in the last 6000 years.
I'm glad you get to visit, I hope you have an enjoyable experience. It is true that the stars of Orion have remained in a fairly stable position for a good while. There has only been a slight change in the 3 stars of Orion's head and a star or two in his forward extended arm. I've been looking to get some views straight through the entrances in both directions of the central henge. If you willing/able and would like to share that would be amazing.
Excellent work, i'm hoping to visit Thornborough Henge this spring or summer.
That should be a great experience. Be sure to take lots of pictures, especially one directly through the entrance looking in one direction all the way through the henge and then a photo in the opposite direction from the other entrance, if you can.
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Thornborough Triple Henge and the 3 pyramids Egypt fit/ align with Orion (brightest constellation in sky & visible world wide) belt.
Thanks for Qualified open minded video
They do fit the pattern. Much work remains to be done! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Having ancestral ties to the area, and still carrying a variation of the surname of Thornborough, I am especially thrilled to see your video! Imagine how beautiful the grand structures were covered in gypsum during a full moon! Weird coincidence, long before I knew of my ancestry, I have always been drawn to the Moon, and Orion. Now it's clear why that is, and it is amazing
I'm glad you found the video! Thank you for your kind comment!
Excellent video. Might procession have caused the creation of an additional henge? So many interesting features!
One of the arguments against the Orion theory is that if you arrange ANY three objects in a row but make a mistake in the offset of ANY ONE of the three, they will always look like the Orion sequence. Line up three equally spaced plates on a table but with any one of the three offset - Orion. Line up three bikini girls on a beach but with any one of the three slightly not in line - Orion. Three cans of Coke on a bar, Orion. Three horses in a field, Orion. Three pyramids of Gaza, Orion. And yet if you get them exactly in a line - well, pick any other three stars that are actually in a line and say 'miracle',
Perhaps so, but the angle itself is not insignificant at 172.4° and although many slightly offset rows are claimed for Orion's Belt, the configuration at Thornborough matches that angle very precisely and the stars are not exactly equidistant which is also perfectly reflected at Thornborough. It seems that they were fairly competent at laying out these monuments, so it seems unlikely to simply be a mistake in which case the reason for the offset has to be taken into account. In this case it matches so well that I feel it is a distinct possibility although of course we can never know for sure as is the nature of archaeology. I do find it interesting that there are possible monuments at locations corresponding to the sword stars, Orion's 'head', as well as Rigel and Betelgeuse, but more work would need to be done to determine the dating of these sites.
If you could offer any advice on more precise arrangement of my tea coffee and sugar pots.
Interesting that the angle from southern to central henge is 327 degrees. 354 divided by 3.27 is 108 (rounding).
(354 days in a lunar year, Moon is 108 times it's diameter from Earth and has a radius of 1080 miles).
You could see the whole site as measuring 1.08 miles. I'm sure there's more.
Awesome work as always brother... Love the way you research... You have me thinking... This sure would have made a great way to count the number of Major Lunar standstills... 30 of them would make a phoenix rising of 558 years... And as you know, this is when Eris aligns with the Sun at 0° Aries... The question becomes, where would they have places the witness marks to count to 30... ❤🙏
There are other henges in the area.
And the devils arrows
It is a fascinating area indeed but I couldn't fit it all into this video. I have done work with the Devil's Arrows, Cana Henge, Copt Hewick Cursus, Hutton Moor Henge, Nunwick Henge, Catterick Henge, Scorton Cursus, Mouton Henge, and lots of other mounds and cairns. So much work to be done! What surrounding sites are of most interest to you?
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase i think the whole of north and east Yorkshire.
Was connected by these sites. They seem aligned in some way
The Central henge is looking at the major lunar standstill at the azimuth-angle of a 3-4-5 Pythagorean triangle (53.13 degrees), the neolithic culture (like as many other sites, Crucuno for example) must have though the MLSS at the latitude it creates a Pythagorean triangle was very important and as such monumentalized it.
Trouble with drawing lines on maps is scale. The width of the lines can cover quite a few metres on the ground. So almost anything can often be claimed.
Also as the universe is expanding stars and galaxies are speeding apart. And as there is no actual relationship between the stars, just as they are viewed from earth, how is this all taken into account?
Hi, do you mean for the Orion constellation configuration? At time stamp 5:30 you can see a comparison of the change to the stars relative to one another over time (stellar proper motion) since the henges were built. There is some change in relative position for a few of the stars (usually the ones closer to Earth so that the angular change over time is more pronounced) but not really much difference over a mere 5,000 years (not that long on cosmic scales).
Did you consider viewing points other than on the hedges themselves?
I looked at a lot of angles but had to cut to the most straightforward for the video. Did you have some other viewpoints in mind?
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase I noticed that one of the alignments for the southern henge ran straight across a circular mark. The ring I saw had a central mark as well reminiscent of a round house so would be too modern if it is. On the other hand, I don’t like coincidences.
@@peterbriers2995 do you mean the mark between the henges that shows at 18:55? I think it might be a later addition but I think it may have been placed purposely. From the lower vantage looking NW the line goes right past it so as not to interfere. From the higher vantage looking SE I modeled an estimated height and it didn't seem to interfere with moonrise but rather worked with the alignment.
@@ArchaeoastronomyDatabase yep, that’s the one. Possible Bronze Age ring cairn and cyst? Lot of digging to be done! Glad I am too old for that now but I look forward to the fruits of other peoples labour
So the moon was important. It would have been magical with the white banks.
Yes indeed! It would have been spectacular!
You didnt look at the areas around this
It is a fascinating area indeed but I couldn't fit it all into this video. I have done work with the Devil's Arrows, Cana Henge, Copt Hewick Cursus, Hutton Moor Henge, Nunwick Henge, Catterick Henge, Scorton Cursus, Mouton Henge, and lots of other mounds and cairns. So much work to be done! What surrounding sites are of most interest to you?
I believe the purpose of henges were to enrich soil or compost so to speak. As all henges around the world are of similar design and near water sources. I think it was done to enrich the soil to be able to support farming agricultural needs.
And growth from soil is dictated by sun and moon rise and sets as well as seasons of them both dictate all growth on earth from all creation.