There could be disablements and they should have been recorded in the log book along with the reason why the area was disabled. Generally disablements are temporary.
Hi John, We can certainly help with that and have a number of videos on our channel relating to fire alarm testing, although many are for customers' benefits rather than engineers. Does your current company support with training? We have an in-house training academy, as well as access to courses run by the Fire Industry Association. If you're looking for opportunities, please check out this page w-fp.co.uk/jobs/ Kind regards, Verity Head of Comms at WFP
Hi Sam, thank you for your comment and question! We don't use Protec because they are closed protocol systems, which means if you have one installed you are stuck with having to use Protec. Parts are quite expensive but more importantly, their customer support could do with improvement. Many, however, have found them to be a good, viable fire alarm product so it's often a matter of personal preference and experience! Is there anything we can further help you with, Sam? (Answered by Verity, Head of Comms at WFP Fire & Security).
@@wirefreeprotection Protec have gone open protocol with their 6100 and 6500, and have pretty nice partner discounts. I'd check them out because it's pleasantly surprising. Tech support was also pretty good when I locked myself out of my 6100.
@@averagefirechannel I have experienced Protec and think that their equipment is good quality, however, perhaps the description of 'open protocol' is not clear enough, in reality all systems are closed protocol in the sense that they are based around running certain field devices. What we advocate is installing systems that 'any' competent contractor can work on, this means that the client has ultimate choice and is not limited to either the manufacturer or a number of agents, for example: Gent has a network of agents, but these are still limiting from a clients point of view and means that they have limited choice, because when you limit choice the price goes up. Meaning that over the 10-15 year lifespan of the system, the client will pay more and sometimes twice what they would have paid on a open system, as well as the fact that with limited choice you will inevitably come across poor service levels, as there is less competition. - Paul
@@wirefreeprotection That’s true, you do need to sign up to the partner portal in order to get software and the likes, however, even I as an enthusiast was able to do so, but I don’t think a lot of companies will work on Protec simply due to how virtually everything you needed to do on a system used to be, and still is on older systems locked out with a dongle, I think that bruised them a bit. I’m a massive fan of Apollo and it’s nice how you can use panels from many different vendors, Protec isn’t there yet.
Hi Adil, the Gent Vigilon/SQUAD is well thought of, flexible and reliable combination of control panel and detection. The origins of the Vigilon date back to the Gent 3400 and 34000 which is about 30+ years old, and although the protocol hasn’t essentially changed a great deal, it has evolved, which in my opinion is a good thing. The cost of ownership is higher than open protocol systems such as Apollo or Hochiki. I estimate that the user would pay 20% more throughout its [a fire alarm system] typical lifetime, which is mainly down to the restricted market model that Gent systems are brought to market.
@@adilhossain8198 We don’t have any experience with that product, therefore can’t assist you with an opinion. I would advise contacting Bosch directly a nd I’m sure they’ll be able to assist you.
Hi Adil, your Alarm Receiving Centre (ARC) contract is generally (99% of the time) set up by your alarm maintenance company and they will have the telephone number you can call to put it [your alarm system] on test. Sometimes an App is available for testing your system and is handy if you are the person doing the weekly test.
Pre-alarm isn’t generally an error, if the detector is Apollo, an intermittent (sometimes permanent) pre-alarm could be caused by the detector being contaminated (dirty). Pre-alarm is the state that the detector goes through prior to when it reaches full alarm and generally it’s there (in pre-alarm) for such a short time, that it isn’t displayed. If your case is as described, then changing the detector will often solve the issue. Make sure that the new detector is tested for correct operation and fault monitoring when it’s been fitted.
4:30 there could be delays or disablements though
There could be disablements and they should have been recorded in the log book along with the reason why the area was disabled. Generally disablements are temporary.
Are there any courses to attend that explain fire panel testing as an engineer I’m new to the industry
Hi John,
We can certainly help with that and have a number of videos on our channel relating to fire alarm testing, although many are for customers' benefits rather than engineers.
Does your current company support with training? We have an in-house training academy, as well as access to courses run by the Fire Industry Association. If you're looking for opportunities, please check out this page w-fp.co.uk/jobs/
Kind regards,
Verity
Head of Comms at WFP
What are your opinion on Protec fire alarm systems?
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Hi Sam, thank you for your comment and question! We don't use Protec because they are closed protocol systems, which means if you have one installed you are stuck with having to use Protec. Parts are quite expensive but more importantly, their customer support could do with improvement. Many, however, have found them to be a good, viable fire alarm product so it's often a matter of personal preference and experience! Is there anything we can further help you with, Sam? (Answered by Verity, Head of Comms at WFP Fire & Security).
@@wirefreeprotection Protec have gone open protocol with their 6100 and 6500, and have pretty nice partner discounts. I'd check them out because it's pleasantly surprising. Tech support was also pretty good when I locked myself out of my 6100.
@@averagefirechannel I have experienced Protec and think that their equipment is good quality, however, perhaps the description of 'open protocol' is not clear enough, in reality all systems are closed protocol in the sense that they are based around running certain field devices. What we advocate is installing systems that 'any' competent contractor can work on, this means that the client has ultimate choice and is not limited to either the manufacturer or a number of agents, for example: Gent has a network of agents, but these are still limiting from a clients point of view and means that they have limited choice, because when you limit choice the price goes up. Meaning that over the 10-15 year lifespan of the system, the client will pay more and sometimes twice what they would have paid on a open system, as well as the fact that with limited choice you will inevitably come across poor service levels, as there is less competition. - Paul
@@wirefreeprotection That’s true, you do need to sign up to the partner portal in order to get software and the likes, however, even I as an enthusiast was able to do so, but I don’t think a lot of companies will work on Protec simply due to how virtually everything you needed to do on a system used to be, and still is on older systems locked out with a dongle, I think that bruised them a bit. I’m a massive fan of Apollo and it’s nice how you can use panels from many different vendors, Protec isn’t there yet.
What’s your opinion on Gent Vigilon/ SQuad?
Hi Adil, the Gent Vigilon/SQUAD is well thought of, flexible and reliable combination of control panel and detection. The origins of the Vigilon date back to the Gent 3400 and 34000 which is about 30+ years old, and although the protocol hasn’t essentially changed a great deal, it has evolved, which in my opinion is a good thing. The cost of ownership is higher than open protocol systems such as Apollo or Hochiki. I estimate that the user would pay 20% more throughout its [a fire alarm system] typical lifetime, which is mainly down to the restricted market model that Gent systems are brought to market.
@@wirefreeprotection
What about Bosch’s version of it (I believe that’s the Avenir)?
@@adilhossain8198 We don’t have any experience with that product, therefore can’t assist you with an opinion. I would advise contacting Bosch directly a nd I’m sure they’ll be able to assist you.
How can I find out my number for the ARC?
Hi Adil, your Alarm Receiving Centre (ARC) contract is generally (99% of the time) set up by your alarm maintenance company and they will have the telephone number you can call to put it [your alarm system] on test. Sometimes an App is available for testing your system and is handy if you are the person doing the weekly test.
How to accept new devices on this fire panel
How do i clear a prealarm error on the global addressable fire alarm plane ?
Pre-alarm isn’t generally an error, if the detector is Apollo, an intermittent (sometimes permanent) pre-alarm could be caused by the detector being contaminated (dirty). Pre-alarm is the state that the detector goes through prior to when it reaches full alarm and generally it’s there (in pre-alarm) for such a short time, that it isn’t displayed. If your case is as described, then changing the detector will often solve the issue. Make sure that the new detector is tested for correct operation and fault monitoring when it’s been fitted.