What Happened to WW2 Shooters?
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Hey guys, I have a question. What happened to WW2 shooters? And what is the most historically accurate of the ones we have? Well watch to find out :)
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I'm waiting my entire life to see Brazilian expedictionary force to be at least represented in Italy. I never saw anything but France in 1944 and Germany 1945 WW2 games. On which they even got both wrongs so many times, they idealize the ending of the war as the end credits of which the heroes wins the evil, on what we clearly we know it wasn't like that. The only game who actually showed the Brutality of the soviets was World at war. It is some to think of.
You gotta check out Enlisted, it's pretty good and they try to be realistic despite how difficult it is. It mixes arcade with realism and is an interesting take. Also free.
@@aveteranplayer6403 Stop waiting, and make it yourself. Or get your fellow citizens to make it.
Waiting for other people to do it for you is the surest way to be disappointed. But..... if you can trick the money-men into thinking you might be serious, they will go all-out to get their product out there first.
Faking-out the Geeks of Silly-con Valley isn't that hard. ;)
Thanks for reminding me how old i am with that RvB references :(
I apologize if I was late for the video of any suggestions you would like to hear about, since you covered like 5 missions of CoD: Vanguard, there's actually 4 missions left in the entire game as a whole which are: Phoenix (took place during Capture of Hamburg 1945), Operation Tonga (took place during Operation Tonga 1944), Rats of Tobruk (took place during Siege of Tobruk 1941), & Lady Nightingale (Battle of Stalingrad 1942-1943, ending phase of the battle itself). I know it's going to be a torture to do this, but think of it this way, you're going over this so that the audience including myself don't have to spend money and time playing through the game. And also, your insight regarding of WWII is informative and entertaining, I can't stress it enough. And if you want something that is informative and entertaining and not tokenistic and grossly inaccurate, I highly recommend you check out Kings and Generals' The Pacific War series. They cover like everything in regard to WWII in the Pacific like CBI theater, Aleutian Islands, Solomon Islands, Doolittle raid, etc. Believe me, it's just awesome. Thank you and please let me know what you think.
When I was a kid I hated WW2 shooters since they were making so many of them and wanted more modern shooters, but now its the other way around. 🙃
With modern shooters, it's often the same US vs Russia schtick, with the occasional fictional Middle Eastern country thrown in. Getting rather tired of seeing M4s, AK74s, Abrams, and T-90 tanks fighting ya know?
@@DakotaofRaptors you could say the same back then with allies vs axis, u didnt usually get to play as the axis back then, always the "good guys", though there are some exceptions like red orchestra and stuff, but that one is online and not campaign
we got what we asked for
just a bit to much
Remember back in 2016 people hate Modern and Space Shooter
Then came BF1
@@DakotaofRaptors Modern Warfare has so many guns on the market but no one ever takes advantage of it.
As a kid who grew up during the WW2 media obsession, I never lost interest. WW2 media has been forever interesting to me, and I studied it as much as I could through electives in school.
Today as an early 20s adult I still find myself enthralled by WW2 media. Games, movies, documentaries, I'll consume as much media as I can.
It is simultaneously the greatest and bleakest moment in human history, and I find the action, drama and political intrigue of the era infinitely interesting.
God, I do remember the WW2 burnout of the 2000s-2010s, but it wasn't just games it was everywhere. Books, movies, TV. familiarity breeds disinterest, and I remember being blown away by modern warfare and black ops.
But now I just want a conclusion to Baker and second squad. I want that battle of the bulge tease at the end of hells Highway.
I imagine it's similar to people in the '80s and '90s experiencing Vietnam War fatigue, which I imagine is what led to notalgia for a war with clearer battle lines both morally and on the ground and led to WWII becoming the pop culture war of choice for a few decades. War movies never change.
@@tjenadonn6158 ...but wargaming.. wargaming never changes.
@Tjena Donn I'm kinda craving a modern Vietnam battlefield or even a Civil War or cowboy western war done right wi red dead weapons
Good God I forgot about Brothers In Arms, I miss that series so much...
@@raptorcell6633 There's a new one in development.
To answer your question about the quality and tonal whiplash between BF1 and BFV, DICE saw a mass exodus of their veteran Battlefield staff during the development cycle of BFV.
Something like 83% of the current DICE studio was hired during or after the development of BFV and 2042.
If you want to scratch the WWI itch, Isonzo covers the often overlooked battles that raged between Austria-Hungary and Italy. They recently released Caporetto and added the German 14th Army, and are releasing a new map on the 28th.
Isonzo is that front where the Italians just kept grinding and grinding their men at the river line ight?
@@anadaere6861 Yep. 12 Battles over basically the same geographic area.
sadly like 20 to 40 people play only, not a lot of players whatsoever so you polay against bots usually, its the saame with their ither ww1 games
@@athrite2118 yeah Beyond the Wire for example looked very promising but it kind of just died...
@@commander591 it's because these games are just kinda bad if you think about it. Frustrating, clunky, with very limited amount of things you can do in it before you get bored of dying, just because you lifted your head once after 30 minutes of crawling. Attempts at realism are bad for video games in my humble opinion.
11:40 Can I just say that BF1 STILL stands out graphically from most games nowadays?
Agreed. Even stands out better than 2042
Verdun and Tannenberg are so much better.
@@BobbyB1928 i feel like verdun has a more "dark" tone to it compared to the colorfullness of bf1, which you could say fits ww1 more
The power of the Frostbite engine.
keep in mind its fro 2016
say wat you want about the game itelf but the trailers are the best
CoD 3 was the first I played and I remember something I loved was that every soldier you met, every tank you fought alongside had a different name each time you spawned in, reloading checkpoints etc. Bringing back so many memories despite not playing it in literally years
Same for me. I played it with my cousin in the ps2 and was fabulous.
@@luisochoa3663 the SAS missions with the French resistance were amazing and the tank mission was pretty cool too
The most underrated and forgotten but one of the best imo.
Cod 3 was great. Still go back and play it sometimes.
Great setting, missions, even the characters are decent.
I remembered there's a Polish Sherman tank randomly named "Autobusik". Don't know why, but the name sounds funny to me 😂
Considering we live in a time where WW2 veterans are growing older and many of them are passing away year by year they, companies really should be making more WW2 movies and video games, that way we and especially the modern and later audiences especially of the younger generation can remember them and give them respect. COD WAW is a perfect example of a game that respects that history.
That's what happened. The peak of WW2 games happened when the majority of veterans were close to dying off, but there was still enough to be able to do great work with the oral history. Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers were the two most iconic pieces of media to come from that time, but WW2 shooters made their start as well.
I definitely would love to see WWII movies make a comeback. We only get one or two high profile ones every couple years now, it seems.
Why? when movie studios can rake in billions catering to 10 year olds with marvel bs.
5:33 Big Red One deserves more love, as does Finest Hour imo.
FH was my first CoD title, absolutely loved it! Just didnt get the recognition because of United Offensive's epic release that year, and it was labled as a spin-off of the main CoD series ....really needs a remaster on modern platforms
@@LoneWolf051 Medal of Honor, Big Red One, and Finest Hour all deserve remasters or at the _bare_ minimum PC ports and released onto Steam. You can't tell me people wouldn't immediately jump onto modding them all into excellence if they were at least ported.
@@kabob0077 I hope they keep the black and red skies in Stalingrad if FH ever gets a remaster.
Not a lot of veterans from that war are still alive and the 1990's/early 2000's fad of recording their story has long since passed. WW2 gaming has about the same appeal as Napoleonic era "war games" nowadays.
Its soul crushing to think that within 20 years there wont be any living WW2 vets left
@@TheNinjaGumball It's soul crushing to hear all the tunes I loved as a teenager only play on oldie's stations nowadays lol
It actually is soul crushing. I wish to have met one veteran in my life. But I most likely never will.
Hell let loose is still awesome though.
@@remenir97 i was fortunate enough to know and have fairly detailed conversations with veterans of ww1 and every other war you can think of that my native Canada (or our American bretheren) were involved in. My first boss was a Jew who survived the camps, never wore sleeves even in winter.
I'm super happy to hear someone else say this about BoA. Road to hill 30 was the 2nd of the more realistic shooters I played growing up, the first being the OG MoH due to the violence upsetting my grandfather (not a Combat Vet though I think he did serve as a medic for awhile in the 60s) so Mom wouldn't let us kids get another realistic shooter till years later. BoA captured my attention in away I don't think any shooter has since. The fact that each Squaddie was given enough uniqueness and integration in to the storyline Made every Loss hit harder. Honestly when I played CoD 3 later the story never captured me the same way sure your fellow soldiers would get mowed down with they're buddies calling out in distress but it never had the same feel of seeing the brutalized remains of Di Sola after being hit by that one Stuka or finding Leggett standing there Helplessly calling for you, Allen and Garnett shot to pieces at his feet.
Brothers in Arms was so good we all should've known Gearbox wouldn't understand what they had in it. They got greedy and decided to pool everything on their last viable IP-Borderlands-rather than grasp on the brilliant BiA games. Those games have a meta all-their-own to this day that no one has emulated. Encounters with a pair of enemy riflemen could be just as dangerous as when scaled up to an assault by an entire Panzer Division. No one else has really managed that.
Need to take BiA, Company of Heroes, The Battlefield OG game, Close Combat, the best GPU for FPSand make a game where there is generalship Birds Eye control
I really miss the old days of World at War. Man that game is so good.
Finally, someone else that loved Big Red One. Probably my favorite call of duty campaign
If I had to gripe a bit about Brothers in Arms, it would be that the default German tank they chose was the Panzer IV D. That was kind of mind boggling.
RIP Brooklyn
Big red one was my first cod game as a kid on the PS2. A few of the voice actors in big red one were actors from band of brothers! (I messaged this prior to getting to the part of the video were he mentions it).
I literally just finished a playthrough after finding it at a second hand game shop in Nashville for the PS2. The story was and still is amazing
I loved it too.
The panzer iv was the most produced german tank so it kinda makes sense why we only saw those and stug IIIs in BiA
Something that may be cynical in light of the suffering in WWII is that I prefer historical shooters not just because of my interest for History, but because of the gameplay nature of the guns. WWII rifles pack a punch, but need constant reloading and are slower to shoot, which make for a more thrilling experience gameplay-wise. Probably why shotguns are so loved by FPS players, as they have a similar slow rate of fire.
I specifically remember someone doing a focus on FPS games and why different guns feel better than others. They wound up ranting about the guns in Team Fortress 2 because most guns that you use in that game are one shot per trigger pull making every shot feel much more powerful.
Quite an interesting thing.
Played hell's highway a couple of years ago. Seeing the Germans running across the fields of rural Netherlands ,dispersing, trying to get into position to fight us was something. It sincerely felt like a time travel in 1944 and I can't recall any other game achieving this so strongly.
Mmmm my fav WW2 game
I consider Hell's Highway the worst of them all, they made a lot of promises for that game, none of which were fulfilled, incl non-linear free roam.
Most realistic if you were the squad leader for sure. It doesn't have all this one man army bullcrap the rest of these games have going on.
@@ToreDL87It's the most realistic, so whatever promises they made. Thank GOD they didn't do it.
Hell Let Loose really is the only WW2 shooter keeping the genre alive
and its terrible
Hell Let Loose is amazing, you’re trippin
Check out Easy Red 2 if you are looking for something reminiscent of old school WW2 shooters. It has a low price tag and lots of content for it.
@justlyjester7568His just an idiot, don't worry about this guys.
@@Wu.Tang.Financial You might want to rethink that with U14. I've moved to Post Scriptum.
Dude, Allen and Garnett's death hit me so hard in Road to Hill 30. Then watching Doyle and Paige get obliterated in St Sauveur Le Vicomte was equally heartbreaking. Brothers in Arms was such an amazing series and I really do hope Gearbox brings it back. The only other WW2 game from my childhood that I enjoyed more was CoD 2: The Big Red One, and that had by far one of the most saddening deaths in all of WW2 gaming history in my opinion, and that was the death of Cpl. Alvin "Brooklyn" Bloomfield who made it all the way from North Africa, to Sicily, survived Omaha Beach and France, just to get killed by mortar fire on the last mission while attacking the Siegfried Line. All this culminates right after saying "I think I might actually make it home from this lousy war.". Also Animarchy, may I mention some neat information to you. You talked about he Horsa Glider being used in Road to Hill 30, but that was in the Xbox and PC version of the games. Fun fact sir, in the PS2 version the gliders that are used are in fact Waco gliders and the reason is because the scenes of the gliders crashing and gently landing are different in the PS2 and Xbox/PC versions. You should have a look.
Brooklyn’s death still hits me to this very day. 😢
@@ackbarfan5556 like vic's death was hard but Brooklyn's just hit differently
Hell's Highway is one of my favorite games of all time, the story, the characters, the music, hell even the gameplay were great. Maybe not perfect, but it was workable and fun. Since I'd never beaten the first two games, the mystery surrounding Baker's gun really was a mystery to me, and it had me hooked. The mission in the hospital to find Franky was also one of the creepiest sections of a non horror game I've played. It was just so eerie, and being cut off from all your heavily armed wise cracking buddies really hammered home that isolated feeling. Hell, the companion book to that game is even good, not great, and it has basically nothing to do with the game, other than use the names of the characters. It's essentially sanctioned fanfiction, but it was good. If they do make another Brothers in Arms, I just hope they don't fuck it up like the other recent examples you mentioned. Barring the graphics being kinda crap now, I can still sit down and replay Hell's Highway. I just love it.
Mr pitchford said that gearbox is making another brothers in arms game
No it’s one of two brothers in arms games we’re getting the first being a brothers in arms pinball game besides it’s going to be set in Bastogne during the battle of the bulge
I still don't understand what was up with the cursed gun
I hate the kid jumpscare
Gets me every time
@@mivapusa It was just about the legend of a cursed Colt from Matt's father. Who touches it dies. Risner, Allen & Garnet, Legett etc. They all put their hands on it and died few days after.
Why ya gotta use Medal of Honor music at the very start? My heart can only take so much...
My grandfather and I used to watch WWII films all the time. Every so often he'd point out some of the aspects that the filmmakers got right and occasionally make some comments about his own experiences in Italy and North Africa, although he tended to avoid discussing France and Germany. The stupid naïve kid I was, I couldn't wait to get his opinion on Big Red One (the only WWII shooter I had at the time). He couldn't understand why anyone would try to recreate their experiences to such a degree.
It was the first mission of the game where you're holding the bombed-out house beside a bridge that he was reminded of a story he'd never mentioned before. The exact details are a little fuzzy, I can't remember if he said this was in France or Italy (more likely the latter), but he remembered being in a cellar when there was this tremendous explosion outside. When the dust settled they scurried out of their hiding places to find out what had happened. They recovered some shell fragments and had them turned in for examination. The next day, at the same time as the first, there was another explosion. Whatever forensics existed at that time, they had determined the town was being shelled by a railroad gun. They had triangulated where this railroad gun was shooting from. Whatever nearby artillery was positioned to return fire and told to wait. Like clockwork, another big shell explodes in the town. Once it did, their own artillery batteries returned the gesture. He gave a little chuckle and said there was no more shelling after that.
Its the theme from Medal of honor frontline at the beginning!! One of the greatest WW2 games ever made!! Thwt game and Band of brothers is what got me into ww2 as a kid in the early 2000s.
I remember running back and forth across Omaha wondering what I had to do and my dad having to shoot at the bunkers for me.
BF1, other than a few liberties they took with certain weapons was awesome
And I really liked the map design, especially on Passchendaele since that one in particular really did catch the often Apocalyptic descriptions they always say about that battle, like holy shit
Entering for the first time on that map was shocking for me.
One side with that ominous cloud of Chlorine gas, the other side a Burning forest
With the remains of what was once a town in the middle, it truly did look like Hell on Earth.
I absolutely loved the first 3 Brothers in Arms in the series, I don’t really count that weird 4th one. My biggest fear after finishing Hells Highway was what is gearbox going to do with it. The story was absolutely amazing at that point, especially the cliffhanger at the end of the game. It could be wrapped up in a final installment if done correctly but my faith in gearbox after the 4th release is low. Not sure if they will even do anything with it but if they do, I hope they do it right. Great video as always!
Didn’t the 4th one not even come out?
there was no 4th game
@@LoneWolf051 There have been a LOT of mobile BiA games
@@menschman1464 I just realized it was never released. Probably for good reason, it looked terrible and went no where with the original story. I still count it tho as they got as far as making a trailer before realizing what a bad idea it was.
@@LoneWolf051 There was, they never released it due to the serious backlash against it. The game was called 'Furious Four'
It should also be noted that those Waco gliders in Hell's Highway would not be sporting the Operation Neptune/Overlord aircraft identification markings, as these were ordered to be stricken from Allied aircraft several months after the initial invasion and breakout operations in Normandy/Brittany. While fighters, fighter-bombers, and medium bombers would sometimes retain these markings, disposable aircraft like gliders would not be seen with these markings during Operation Market Garden and Operation Plunder/Varsity.
I feel like Saving Pvt Ryan opened the door for everything from Band of Brothers to COD WaW and everything that came in between those. Obviously the public was open to it or nothing would have come of Saving Pvt Ryan but since it made all the money and was talked about by everyone at the time studios everywhere raced to produce shows, movies and games while WWII was a hot subject
Glad you’re giving this franchise the spotlight. I did a replay of CoD2 awhile back, and while real tactics were baked into a few missions in that game, it’s every firefight of BiA, and missions aren’t these massive shooting galleries either. You’re not killing mindless waves of enemies, you’re taking on enemies in squad or, at most, platoon strength
I remember playing Road to Hill 30 (along with European Assault) on the Xbox when I was around 5 years old and I was so obsessed with it. Watching UA-cam videos of no commentary gameplay, fan edits of Hell's Highway, and the canonical deaths in order made me want to play the trilogy desparately but I can't because I was a wee lad at the time. A few years later, I have played the entire trilogy and it's such a fantastic experience. Out of all the WW2 shooters I have played, nothing tops Brothers In Arms for not only making my childhood, but also bringing these characters in such a very human way and seeing different WW2 events in a much broader perspective, otherwise I wouldn't have known much about the war. In fact, this game is the sole reason I became a military nut.
I praise this video and you for making this and your wonderful effort in making these videos.
Personally, I feel like WW2 shooters fizzled out largely due to them over-saturating the market.
Kinda like how Guitar Hero had its prime time when it came to rhythm games back in the day, but when Rock Band and other knock-offs started flooding in, interest dropped like a lead weight.
Dude! I didn’t think anyone else played the Big Red One. I thought it fell to obscurity. No single game ever gave me that feeling when I was kid playing that game, following these guys, the cheer every time a mission was won, and feeling the realization of death when big man kicked down a door only to be gunned down.
there’s nothing quite like the old cod campaigns. before they decided to spend all their time trying to sell us warzone skins. they used to make incredible single player stories
I really think the problem with current AAA WWII shooters is that studios are fixated on building some kind of epic Marvel superhero story instead of concentrating on the immersive value of the setting. The story of any WWII game should honestly be secondary or even tertiary to the integrity of the setting.
The best model for a modern WWII shooter in my mind would be a game that ditches character stories altogether and just consists of recreating very specific battles across various theaters. Not like what BF5 or Vanguard did because that was all just fictional bs made to show off the heckin' characterinos and their heckin' wholesome stories. No more of that. Give us a game with 15-20 missions with each mission depicting an actual battle or small-unit engagement that occurred. The creative aspect wouldn't be restrained either because the developers would literally have thousands of well documented actions to choose from across the hundreds of units and dozens of nations that participated in the war. It would be great.
The problem with the AAA industry today is they aren't interested in telling a story, they're interested in making money. A WWII is a great setting to tell a story, it is not necessarily the most profitable way to go about investing a studio's resources. The original game studios were interesting in getting WWII history right after Saving Private Ryan came out, the game industry has become far more Capitalized now, all interests have been suppressed in favor of making profit the priority.
@@Edax_Royeaux Oh I'm not saying that the stories are any good, I'm saying that studio resource allocation to the story and character writing are taking precedence over what should matter in any historic-themed game: the setting. Why this is a growing phenomenon, I can only speculate.
Of course movies like SPR should be story driven because movies by nature are story driven, but having a story and cinematics be the focus of a WWII game is unnecessary and isn't what made the classics like the old COD and MOH games so great.
@@redaug4212 They put red dot sights in the WWII weapons to attract a larger audience to make more revenue. The setting is incidental to the AAA studios.
@@Edax_Royeaux Red dot sights or not, the campaign experience of these games wouldn't improve. The people making these games don't understand how a WWII game should look and feel at an atmospheric level. Nobody plays WWII games for the stories of fictional characters. That's not what the setting is about.
In my opinion on the CoD series
Overall, Call of Duty WAW is still the best. One of the best part is the detail, like the NPC screaming as they're burning to death.
CoDWW2 attempts to brute force through the story from the perspective of 1 person, with a few moments of perspective switches. This made you quite attached to your squad, climaxing at the last stand of Turner.
I’ve been waiting for so long to see someone mention Brothers in Arms. It’s a magnificent series and I genuinely pray that story’s theorized continuation to the Battle of the Bulge will be done right.
Oddly enough for me WWII shooters was the breaking point which caused me to leave the WWII fascination, simply due to the hyper saturation. While I respect people’s interests in the subject and their fascination, it simply became a subject which for me people kept talking about over and over. Hopefully someday someone will make a new WWII shooter that puts a spin on things, but from what I see people will just keep on walking the same obliterated path over and over.
Hell Let Loose.
Fair enough. There is quite alot of truth behind what you're saying. I hope for something similar. Kinda like how alt history games, like the Wolfenstein franchise did things a bit differently, sometimes the sniper elite franchise, and i guess to some extent, one or two of the medal of honor games. With that Sturmgeist guy. Personally, im not all that sure as to what could be done much differently outside of maybe doing more alt history, or showcasing more content surrounding the other theatres of the whole conflict. But past that, yeah, it's kind of an overbloated genre of gaming unfortunately.
It's the same with history books. How many D day history books does the world need when theres barely anything in the english language for huge conflicts like the Russian civil war, franco prussian war etc.? A history writer told me it's an almost guaranteed way to get a book published though. The market is basically 75% world war 2, 10% Roman's then 15% other stuff.
@@firemochimcYou're kidding. Right?
A game set in the China-Burma-India theater of operations would be awesome. So would a game set in the Philippines.
I can't tell you how glad I was to have found this video. Band of Brothers was my all time favorite WWII game, bar none!! To hear you talk about a possible sequel/rebirth game makes me salivate. My Matt Baker action figure, holding his dad's 45, sits proudly amongst various WWII plastic models which I continue to collect. Now you tell me that it's possible to still play this series. Tell me how, when, where and why I can relive them as I traded my old console and games when I was desperately short of funds. Your faithful follower.
MoH Frontline and Rising Sun will forever hold a very special place in my heart. One of the first games I ever beat by myself, and Rising Sun was one of the only games my dad would play with me in multiplayer. Loads of fun
Been playing this franchise ever since I was a kid, and still playing it today. Such an outstanding series, I am holding my breath for the 4th game.
Bro check out Battle Stations Pacific Fleet. It’s not a first person shooter but is still one of my favorite WW2 games. It is a crime that it hasn't been remastered yet, although the graphics and gameplay still hold up
Pacific is sadly, much like Lost Planet 2, not available right now because of how they had Games For Windows Live integrated in them.
Although at least the games can be played on an Xbox One just fine so even if you can't get them on Steam both LP2 and Battlestations Pacific are available and backwards compatible.
I remember that one, it was fun for naval action but in a more arcade-y fun way than the current "War on the Sea" sim/strategy game, which is also pretty good.
All these WW2 games and movies really make me wish my grandfather and lived a bit longer. I’d love to hear what he thought of Saving Private Ryan and all these realistic WWII shooters. He was at Normandy and was recon behind enemy lines in France and Germany. He never could stand hearing the sound of tracked vehicles-it always triggered his PTSD. He stayed in a hotel when they had bulldozers and backhoes building the rest of the neighborhood my grandparents lived in.
For me the best portrayal of the "feel" of WW2 is Red Orchestra 2.
While a lot more realistic, it's not a full mil-sim, managing to be right in the middle of COD and something like Arma.
What it does amazingly is showcase how terrifying war could be, how easy it is to die from an enemy you didn't even see, and how brave you'd have to be to get out of cover.
Forgot how much I loved this game. Easily one of my favorites growing up and you definitely did the series justice!
Hewwo! I have been binging your content the past couple days and absolutely loving it. Fantastic work and incredibly entertaining. I have been in dire need of a laugh recently and you have delivered in spades. Thank you so much for the work you do.
Just noticed, congrats on 100k subs!
Honestly Medal of Honor: Allied Assault is the GOAT ww2 shooter. Every game for 10+ years afterward copied its Omaha beach mission directly. Honorable mention to the original Call of Duty which was objectively a better designed game, but this was a "we're medal of honor, but different" semi-copy. The rolling stones to Allied assaults "the Beatles". Battlefield 1 was indeed a rare hit in a sea of misses.
PS there is a very good, very free VR version of Wolfenstein 3d available.
200% allied assault was the best. The impact that the Omaha beach landings had on the gaming community was massive. CoD "had one too" was how we thought about it. But also the campaign was really varied and interesting. You had the sub pen level which I think was also a first and ever repeated trope. Lots of stealth and semi stealth areas. Just laid down a framework that most of the later games followed.
@@milamber319 and…. That sniper level
Online multiplayer was also fun in an era where it was still fairly new. (It would have been a contemporary of quake arena)
I am so happy someone still talks about BIA. It's my favorite series and I just replayed all 3 games in short succession. The attention to detail, the story, the grit of it is just incredible. I long for a new game in the series.
Honourable mention here if you're looking for a historically accurate and realistic WW2 Shooter then you should have a look at Forgotten Hope 2. Basically this is originally a mod created from Battlefield 2 but now has a standalone version which kind of makes it a game. It focuses on extreme levels of historical accuracy with uniforms and equipment, for example some nations receiving accurate weapons and vehicles for the time period, going down to even the correct kind of shovel as a melee weapon.
You can play as the main WW2 factions like Germany, USA, Great Britain and the USSR but also more minor nations like Poland, Finland, Italy, France, Canada and even both Australia and New Zealand. Belgium and Norway are also upcoming factions that will also receive their own unique weapons, vehicles and maps.
Being a battlefield style game there are a variety of different vehicles you can use such as tanks, aircraft, artillery and boats which are all portrayed in accurate camouflage for the time period like early war German tanks getting grey camo while late war have green, brown or yellow etc.
Each nation is outfitted with accurate weaponry for the time period like how Commonwealth forces use the SMLE MK III throughout the early war until Normandy when they switch to the No.4 SMLE.
The official maps focus on 3 main theatres of war; North Africa, West Front and East Front, while custom content expands on these theatres and also has Pacific content and introduces the Japanese faction. Each map has the playstyle of a combined arms battlefield experience, but portrayed in a historically accurate way. For example the most recent update added 3 maps set in France 1940 and each battle is extensively researched with flag sites in contested areas and accurate placement of buildings and even destroyed tanks based on real photographs.
Overall I would highly recommend any WW2 fans looking for a historically accurate and diverse experience to get into FH2. There is multiplayer, but singleplayer with bots can be fun if you want to try and roleplay how a battle was fought using bots. Here's the link to the official website: forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/
P.S. the developers didn't pay me to do this, I did it on my own initiative to popularise the game more and bring more aussies into the game 😊
If they don't want to do more WW2 games they could do the Korea War at least in that war you can have Corsairs dog fighting MIGs and historical accurate.
I've never met someone who lived during the war, let alone fought in it. I would give anything to be able to talk to a veteran, doesn't even have to be about the war, just talk about anything.
Congrats on 100k been watching for over a year now and it’s been brilliant to see you grow
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So so so glad to see Brothers in Arms get recognition. I remember playing it for the first time with my family. I hadn't even wanted it, my step-dad who never played video games bought it cause WW2.
I remember in an early mission the Germans have an MG pit at a crossroads and anytime you approach they just hose you down. You can't get close enough for a grenade because they have perfect LOS to your approach. Its extremely difficult to pick off the operators because by the time you're in range so are they. Me and my 12 year old gamer brain thought the game was imbalanced or that we just weren't quick enough to shoot or whatever when my mom asks to try, (she never plays games at all) and we made fun of her for wandering the map, till she found an open gate that led through backyards that led to an exposed flank in the MG pit. It sounds simple but it blew me away at the time, most games are designed for you to bowl over whats put in your way.
The voice acting in the game was phenomenal, the sound effects were stellar (hearing an MG42 open up on your squad was enough to make you go to ground and look for cover to send your squad to) and the whole concept of being a squad leader and actually having to DO squad leader things instead of it just being a rank in front of your name in the loading screen was so well done. When you don't see a way forward and commit to a desperate assault and lose someone over it, I actually felt sick the first time cause they're sitting there joking and talking one minute and dead the next. The characters are so well done, the sound of Corrion and Desola calling for each other is burned into my brain haha.
The final stand at Hill 30 is one of my favorite moments in a game and when I joined the Army after high school and got stationed in Germany, my first ever leave I took a train to Carentan and stayed there because this game left such an impact on me
The history is very well done too, they correctly show that a lot of the defenses on D Day were manned by Ostruppen and they even have the games military history advisor narrate facts about the units, weapons, and battles. I used to spend hours in the menu listening to it
I never thought about how much this game impacted me till this video but at the beginning when you said "what game is the most historically accurate? " this one popped into my head immediately.
I own an M1 Garand and Kar98 irl because I eventually got super into history and this game played a huge part of shaping that side of me. Glad to see this video, thank you!!
Drone strikes are more sexy to 11 year olds than charging enemy positions on Omaha and Utah with garands.
This, 2020's teenagers have never known a world without electronics, so WW2 might as well be the stone age for them.
Obama would be proud
@@robertsmith4681 when Medal of Honor first came out I was like a kid in a cany shop. 20 years later I still miss Call of Duty Big Red One, but I know those days are gone
@@joeclaridy Same here in many ways, although as an adult I get to own and shoot some of the real guns, gives me a whole new perpective on what these men went thru.
@@robertsmith4681same. I don't own any vintage or reproduction WWII firearms but I'd love to own a Paratrooper M1 Carbine.
Who here remembers Medal of Honor Pacific Assault? One of those games that for all the reasons Pacman listed is so much better than most of what we get today
Thank you for talking about Brothers in Arms, I've been waiting for the Battle of the bulge for over 15 years
Medal of Honor Frontline is one of my earliest gaming memories and is what got me into ww2/history. Great video!
My personal favourite was Medal of Honor Pacific Assault, graphics were nice at the time of release and it was the first MH game that let you aim down sight, if I m correct. Battle of Tarawa was great, Makin Sabotage at the begining made me feel like I was a partisan, Guadalcanal and it's swamps, rivers, constant counter attacks and battle of the bloody ridge was the best the game had to offer. And the mission in which you sunk a japanese carrier was really interesting to play, especialy the part where you climb out of rear gunner seat and get into pilot seat when your mate has to jump out, damn I miss it.
I was wondering why you weren't mentioning Brothers in Arms for the first half of the video, glad to see it highlighted. Great game. Enemy Front wasn't too bad, I thought, better than most of the other AAA entries.
Enemy Front was pretty damn bad. It's extremely buggy and plays very generic but in today's world where we have crappy COD Vanguard, God, anything is better than that.
Dude after watching this I was thinking the whole time that no one mentions Brothers in Arms. Then you started hyping up a game and when you said it I got goosebumps. Great Games. Now you say there might be a sequel!? Subscribed just for this mentjon of a great accurate ww2 shooter.
Probably what I loved about Big Red One was that it portrayed the Axis Powers as more than just Germany and Japan. With some levels featuring both Vichy France and Italy. It's also pretty funny how BRO is the reverse of Call of Duty singleplayer campaign's were. Instead of playing as 3 factions against one enemy, you play as one faction verse's 3. One of the things I liked about old Treyarch's WWII games was that they featured the more lesser known Countries in WWII. I think for me that's why it's hard for me to call WAW historically accurate, as it ends up feeling more like Infinity Wards good enough approach for historically accuracy. For anyone interested Treyarch did make behind the scenes video of Big Red One's development.
Suprised to see that Hidden & Dangerous 2 was not mentioned as it was a great game with memorable missions, weapons set all across the globe
I'll be addressing the entire conciet of this video, mostly spurred by the comparison made between BFV and BF1, because it speaks to a very strange definition of 'historical accuracy', and to a strange arbitrariness of what gamers value in their media.
So, to entertain the value of 'historical accuracy' being important, to argue that BF1 was more historically accurate or authentic to the First World War would be silly. The Gallipoli mission doesn't involve an hour long treck through gullies and streams before getting shelled and running back to a flooded trench. The tank mission would be more accurate if it was smoking, blinding mechanic simulator where you try to keep a Mark IVs engine from stalling while stuck in a muddied crater. I could go on, and I'm sure you would agree if you sat down to consider the single player experience of BF1. The multiplayer is even less representative; it's a Battlefield game set in the first world war. The game isn't any more or less accurate or authentic than BFV is, so there must be a reason why you made the distinction.
Of course, you only showed footage of the reveal trailer for BFV in the video. I really though we were above the dumb outrage of 2019, but this is the internet, so I guess not. So, if we were comparing the *reveal trailers* of videogames, then sure, BFV would be a sillier game than BF1. It's worth noting that seemingly only WW2 games get called out on 'historical accuracy' points, but that's likely due to the special importance we place on that particular war in our cultures, aswell as pop culture. I'll get to my main point; I believe that historical accuracy is not a prerequisite a WW2 game, or any videogame, to be good. I don't think it matters at all, because it is such an arbitrary tickbox that devs feel pressured to ensure is ticked by the audience. By their inherit nature as entertainment, I don't think videogames are capable of being historically accurate. I need not say it, but war is hell. It is not fun. However, the vast majority of mainstream videogames are intended and expected to be fun and satisfying. This doesn't make all videogames 'disrespectful' or 'offensive' to the people who fought in the war, because respecting the past is not the primary purpose of most videogames, and certainly not shooters. They exist to entertain us. Even in this video, you qualified parts of the game as feeling 'badass', though I don't that what was going through the minds of the guys in Normandy.
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying, I like games that strive to match their aesthetics as closely as possible to the historical setting they are based on (that is usually what people mean by 'historical accuracy'). I loved the PS2 era of WW2 shooters, and Hell Let Loose is currently one of my favourite games. But I also really enjoyed BFV; it had good modes, really nice maps and some of the best gunplay I've ever played with. When people talk about accuracy, they mean stuff like correct gun models, uniforms, vehicle markings, reloads animations, etc, as I said, 'aesthetics'. I like that stuff aswell, but I recognise that the Second World War is just another setting, one with significance, but it's just a differnet set of guns and tanks to put in a videogame. I really hate it when people call videogames like BFV 'historical revisionism' or 'woke propaganda'. For one, it's blatantly not true, but more importantly, it reveals a really dumb way of looking at such media. We do not learn about history through AAA franchise videogames, we buy them to be entertained (although perhaps you shouldn't buy AAA games at all, considering the current videogame industry). Nobody is going to be 're-educated' about the second world war because they played the latest Call of Duty.
Maybe you'll find my perspective baffling, maybe you think I've missed some 'point', but I would hope that in the future, you critique with more nuance.
Yes, I find the perspective baffling. "It can't be done so why even try" is riddiculous. If WW2 is a setting like any other, why did DICE make Battlefield Heroes a purposefully cartoonish version of WW2? It gave them near total creative freedom on the aspect of cosmetic items.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I never said I think developers "shouldn't try". On the contrary, I actually said "I like games that strive to match their aesthetics as closely as possible to the historical setting they are based on". That is what people mean when they say 'historical accuracy', dates, models, animations, dialogue, atmosphere etc. My entire point was that we also have room for games that don't do all those things. Mainstream videogames aren't history books or documentaries, they are entertainment. Why should we expect *every* WW2 game to be a digital museum?
I think you may have drastically misunderstood my comment :/
Nice touch that you make a video about WW2 shooters and start the video off with the song "Operation Market Garden" from Metal of Honor: Frontline (2002) in the background. That game along with CoD: Finest Hour got a young history nerd into video games.
Bro, the opening with you talking over the MoH theme actually sent chills down my spine. When I was my dad would let me play MoH Frontline on his PS2 wile my mom was out. This game shaped who I am today. My obsession with WW2 has stay until today, I am even a reenactor.
I wanna see Animarchy play Enlisted. I would love to see/hear what he thinks about it
There are two linds of people
Those who did play Big Red One
And those who don't know the pain of watching Brooklyn get blown up by an arty barrage...
Loved the video, and I'm not even into gaming.
Also really like the expression "...throw worse than my mum and she died a decade ago so take information how you will...". That will be reused and paraphrase or modified in some situation about something in my life at some point in the future. (too good to not copy)
I would love to see a First or Third person shooter that talks about the Pacific Front and the men of the USMC.
I know Call of Duty World at War (My favorite Call of Duty next to Black Ops) did it but they only do a few battles Makin, Peleliu and Okinawa but they skip Battles like Guadalcanal and Bougainville which the 1 division Marines that Private Miller is a part of were in.
I would love to see battles like Tarawa, Guam, Eniwetok, Piva Forks and the Mariana Islands covered and the battle of Iwo Jima.
I know Medal of Honor Pacific Assault has you in some of those places but for as much as I love that game it's really old and the game is only for PC.
If I had the money and people I'd do it myself.
1st Marine Division was on New Britain. It was the 3rd Marine Division that was deployed to Bougainville, along with several Army divisions, Marine raiders, and paramarines.
I'll 🤓myself.
@@redaug4212 Woops I got my history mixed up, my bad.
For people nostalgic for those old PS2-PS3 WW2 era shooters, look up Call Of Duty: Finest Hour. It's a much lesser known ww2 CoD title for the PS2.
Fun game but the American campaign is brutally difficult. Memorizing the spawn points of panzershreck squads and medkit and ammo pickups is essential.
Was watching the first 14 minutes of this video thinking he’s forgotten about Brothers in Arms. Then bam! What a game those were.
GOD it makes me so incredibly happy that you gave BIH the attention it rightfully fucking deserves. It’s criminal how under appreciated it is
another fun WW2 game is Enlisted, where you play as a part of a platoon of 3-9 soldiers, with the others being AI, the difference is, that you are able to switch from soldier to soldier at will. the best part? its free to play, and gives you the option to play allies and Axis among 6 (current) fronts.
Though it's multiplayer only without any campaign...
And don't think throwing an entire company sometimes a battallion of troops in a small area is realistic...
Not to sound like a know it all - but 3 - 9 soldiers is a squad
@@mahkimahkila6396 yeah, oops
@@redstone4522 3 - 10 is A Team
4 - 12 is A Squad
10 - 20 is A Troop
20 - 30 is A Platoon
Cod 2/3 was for me my favorite but what really made me feel like i was actually having the WW2 experience is Red Orchestra2/Rising Storm .
Red Orchestra is simply awesome.
I remember playing this franchise on the Wii, it was amazing ! You had to throw real had movement with the controller to give orders or to throw grenades, the storytelling and slideshow in between mission was amazing.
I preferred Call of Duty 2 and World at War for the action back in the day, but now I realize, the cheer amount of details, research and history accuracy there are in Band of Brothers, make my inner Historian proud to have played and enjoyed this franchise.
Hey congrats for the 100K subs!
I always expected the continuation of brothers-in-arms. When Legget tells Baker about the ice I always thought that this last confrontation would be the battle of the Bulge but I never get there even crying about it ;-;
They have been teasing a new game for years, but god knows when and if it will actually happen.
I remember playing CoD and quitting because it made me sad. I had lived in the former DDR, and kept thinking, “Man, I just shot my friend’s grandfather in the face.”
These games are way more fun when it’s not people you know.
No campaign ever let’s you play as the good guys either
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I had never heard of Brothers in Arms until this video, despite being about the right age to have caught it when it first came out. But from your description, I would love to see a new game built around that kind of experience, but on the condition that it be set in the Pacific. If they can give the “obsessively historically accurate” treatment to Normandy and Market Garden, I wanna see them do the same for Guadalcanal, Pelelieu and Okinawa. Especially if they incorporate the memoirs of the men who were actually there *coughEugeneSledgecough* to ensure the accuracy of the game.
5:11 CoD 3 is the first shooter that I ever played, and I replayed it several times. I'm glad you mentioned it here
Yes please cover the historical inaccuracies in Vanguard. I don't remember what game it was but that midway mission was crap. What the hell was an army nco doing on a navy carrier.
Edit: You miss pronounced "Waco."
Also, yes I get the reference.
He has covered some of it's innacuracies already.
I personally would love a WW2 flying game centered around the exploits of the 332nd fighter group. The Red Tails. The Tuskegee airmen. The most decorated air unit in the war. Flying objectively the most beautiful aircraft of the War. The P-51
the tutorial would be learning the gameplay mechanics in a Boeing Steerman and AT-6 Texan respectively while the player is getting yelled at by an Army Air Corps instructor.
There is warthunder for WW2 flying game. You really want an unique ww2 shooter? Make it about brazilians in Italy, Poland invasion, Finland fighting both Germany and Soviet union, Dunkirk reel guard's resistance, German's perspective on Berlin and many other settings of that war that wasn't explored because the west just want to focus on the propaganda of the Allies won and they were all allies since the beginning.
@@aveteranplayer6403 Yeah but the problem with Warthunder is twofold. Lack of a story mode and contributing to Russia's war in Ukraine.
One of the features I absolute love about the Brothers in Arms series is the time to kill/die. It’s so intense when your character can die in seconds. All it takes is a misjudgement of cover, an unsuppressed enemy, an ambush.
In call of duty, if I see 4 enemies in a field I’m standing up and hosing them down with bullets. In BIA, if I see 4 enemies I’m immediately taking cover. I’m organising my squad. We’re planning out our attack.
In COD if there’s 1 enemy inside a building, I’m rushing that guy for a melee kill. In BIA I’m sticking to cover. We’re suppressing him and I’m looking for my opportunity to move up.
Well now I have 3 new games to keep me busy. And congrats on 100k!
Simple answer. It got consauniversal. Especially for muilt player who played the germans. Personally I'm still waiting for a cod game with german side, you could have the heros join by being lied to. Only to a losing war.
Any game where you play from the German perspective during WW2 would be too controversial. Sure it would be interesting but you’re never likely to see one come out
Nazis as enemies just works better tbh. There is something about their historic diversity in weapons, vehicles, and uniforms that just makes them more appealing to fight against than it would be to fight with.
I legitimately never knew call of duty used to be historically accurate and not just mordern BS, what an eye opener for me
My late Grandfather served in the Army when he was 18 years old. He was a Greek immigrant to the United States and went to Munich. His job was sniper clean up. He wouldnt often talk about the war but when he did I was glued to him and hanging on every word,every single detail. He told me how they'd find men starving begging for death, and rarely they'd have a fight and an extremely dangerous situation on their hands.
He and a friend of his also told me a story once about how he and a few of his friends were at a shop, and they witnessed a comrade harassing a woman which led to him burning her with cigarettes, according to his friend, my Grandfather who was also a gymnast, and stacked, I'd seen the photos. Picked this bastard up and hurled him through a shop window.
This man's name was Pfc Gus D Chuchanis. Nicknamed "Dee Dee". RIP papou.
The intro monologue gave me goose bumps. Medal of Honor was the first shooter I ever played and I was blown away.
I heard the Medal Of Honor: Frontline theme and was suddenly hit by a solid brick wall of nostalgia. Thanks man
Sniper Elite 5 has by far the best gameplay of any WWII game, Medal Of Honor Frontline has the best soundtrack, World At War has the best tone and atmosphere, and Pacific Assault has the best "epic feeling".
Great video, obviously loving the use of Michael Giacchino’s Medal of Honor music. So many memories.
I think the big issue is that they all focus on the big battles that are generally miserable.
One thing I can't recall having seen is a triple A WW2 title focusing on resistance fighting, the SAS and other early 'ungentlemanly' units.
WW2 has so many wild stories that end up washed out by the big troop movements.
Yep I was thinking this the othre day. Imagine how many great stories you could make a game around with the yugoslav or soviet partisans for example? Or some of the far east elite unit's in burma and the pacific islands?
Yes man! I remember playing Brothers in Arms: Hell's highway and got your Red vs Blue reference too. Historical authenticity has been completely ignored in the recent titles. Watching those clips between missions for World at War and other titles was such a neat idea, it really elevated the gameplay that followed. I've loved learning about WW2 and playing games about it since I was a kid, its a real shame to see how far we have fallen.
I still admire Big red One for showing off obscure weaponry from the time like the Beretta 38A (my favorite gun of all Time) as well as Italian forces so often left out of mention in that theatre
For me it was the Carcano Cavalry. I loved it so much it became the first gun I ever bought.
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the STG44 was most coming model in 1943 to 1945, but there was already a model of it, the MP42 model, was STG model, but in the first condition, and they called it machine pistol
then at that time before Hitler decided to change the name from MP to STG.
I don't know how many of those models there were in Stalingrad of 1942/1943, but they were on a small scale
this model you show is the SGT44, so it's not right, but comes close
Thank you for talking about brothers in arms. Those games ruled. I remember playing it when I was 11 and telling my friends about it and none of them had ever even heard of it before.
Thankfully for all of us there is word that Gearbox or whoever has the BoA franchise is possibly in development of the sequel to BoA Hell’s Highway. The main reason why it’s been so long is due to budgets, the WW2 game die off of the late 2000s, but the most plausible explanation was due to the developers trying to branch off with a new game under the same name, but had zero connections to the original BoA storyline and characters.
Interest tanked massively for gearbox, so much that they scrapped the project and focused on other games including their old and discontinued BoA mobile games.
Thankfully word is that they are finally getting back to BoA since WW2 games are still popular and interest has increased. So with word that they are going back and finishing the story let us hope it arrives like a well crafted story that is deserving of its overdue time.
Road to Hill 30 was probably my favorite game as a kid. Having started WW2 games on Finest Hour when I first played BiA I got my ass kicked for quite a while due to me playing it like Finest Hour. What I later came to understand as a vastly more realistic depiction forced me as a child, to learn to use the basics of small infantry tactics to overcome obstacles that would be insurmountable as an individual. 10/10 game would absolutely play again this many years later.
omg the opening music has too much nostalgia and brought me back to such a good time as a child! I used to just sit on the menu screen listening to that play
As soon as Call of Duty came up I instantly thought of 3 and Big Red One. Definitely the most personal experience I had with a game growing up, the characters had personalities and as they died it was actually sad, which, was different because the games then mainly consisted of running through a level solo and blasting all the nameless npcs you saw. But then they gave the NPCs names and I remember just trying to save the random NPCs in the game and getting one through the full level. Anyway, that level where Brooklyn dies in BRO was the saddest moment in my game playing career at the time.
,,There’s no more intense drama than WW2”
Vietnam war: hold my beer
14:01 literally felt honestly to god happy to here those fucken words
I’m SO glad that I just heard you say “Brothers in arms”
My dad, pirates these games for his ps2, I got to watch him play it when I was like 7 and now that I have a pc, the first EVER game I got was the brothers in arms series, never going to hate it, always going to play it
There are plenty of interesting operations that have been completely overlooked by WW2 games.
How about taking part in the 1942 raid to destroy the dock at St Nazaire, or attacking the Norsk Hydro heavy water plant.
Operation Biting, where commandos parachuted into France and stole German radar equipment (and personnel).
I'm sure fans of these games would be very interested in these sorts of more obscure operations.
Just call it Battlefield: Secret Operations. This isn't difficult.
God, first 13mins or so I kept getting angrier because I thought you might not even talk about Brother's in Arms and that would have been terrible.