That MIG is set on kill. A 4-valve V8 that is more oversquare than a Pro Stock engine? The sound is going to be beyond glorious. Can't wait to hear it run.
Have you seen this guy? He welds copper cooling lines for steel mills, among many, many other things. A true craftsman. ua-cam.com/video/RRxAANqmrL0/v-deo.html
Criminally underrated channel. Pete and Kevin are mechanical gods. They've gotta be approaching record amounts of speed records. All with scratch built engines. Amazing
Glad you enjoyed it! I was at the shop this evening documenting Pete working on the timing belt assembly and Kevin was drafting up the cam lobes. More videos coming soon!
I used to work as an intern with Kevin at a Porsche mechanic shop. Super down to earth guy knows his stuff. Thanks for teaching me everything you did about fabrication!
Instead of a butterfly throttle, here are the perfect conditions to make a slide throttle, just like in the old Gr.A / DTM engines. Thank you for another great video!!
Thanks for this content I feel blessed to be in the shop learning with a couple of legends. It’s the next best thing from your seat thanks for sharing.
This is amazing work, these guys are geniuses, they want a record and they just build it themselves to get that record. Engineers these days should watch and learn, maybe they will learn it's not all math work, but some critical thinking too.
I appreciate the inside scoop, since I'm currently designing heads to go on my 4.6 liter 3-valve Ford V8 (using pneumatic valve actuation). Now I just need their garage and machining skills.
thanks that was cool to see the process good machining and welding with spool gun i thought you guys GTAW weld all that stuff very nice looking forward to see it run on the lake bed I'am sure I will see it I'am a SCTA worker
We will see you in May on the Lakebed. I believe Pete will kick off the season with the V12 so we will have some amazing music to listen to when it races down course at 10,000 rpm
Through tool coolant would really help those deep drilling operations. That could lubricate the tool and improve cutting process and work well with pecking to evacuate chips.
I used to work in an engine plant. Oil distribution ports in the blocks and heads on the Aluminum V-6s (1) were gun drilled in one pass. No pecking with high pressure coolant flushing the chips. The cast iron inline 4s & 6s the main oil ports were done with 1/2 twist drill at least 18 inches long with a special grind to ease drilling. 1) Chrysler 2.7 and 3.5. Any issues you may have heard about with the 2.7 are purely the result of design choices. Not build quality. Driving the coolant pump off of the internal timing chain was a really stupid decision. Both the 2.7 and 3.5 featured some things that potentially could lead to a really stout engine if modified. Deep skirt block. 6 bolt main caps (4 vertical 2 cross), cast windage trays, forged cranks, descent porting, crank mounted oil pump etc. All tapped holes in the blocks and heads feature formed not cut threads aside possibly from some meant for mounting sensors etc. Stellite valve sets and guides. I've long had the thought that the 3.5 or the 4.0 along with its transaxle could make a nice engine transmission setup in a mid engine sports car.
Mad men with skills beyond most. It will sound like a motorcycle inline 4 at 10k RPM. Whit 200 years of experience combined in that shop. They can think through problems at lightning speed. Considering we are getting 200 hp out of 1.3Ll bike motors , 1100 is not unbelievable N/A. Be really cool to see them do that first and then force feed it to 3500HP
If you could send these guys back in time to England or the Connecticut River Valley circa 1824, I feel like they could singlehandedly accelerate the Industrial Revolution by 150 years in a few decades. Cunard would probably be offering cruises to Jupiter by now.
never seen the wire in the handle, cracking idea every mig ive owned as struggled with wire feed if working in crapped condition. bane if my welding life, oh and getting one in the ear.
I wouldn't mind building a front drive streamliner, with the driver in front , build a engine from sheet aluminum similar to a EJ subaru engine only a 8cylender boxer, with about 6" bore and 2.8-3.125" Stoke. With a 6 speed transmission with 2-3 auxiliary overdrives. And possibly a single rear wheel. With air suspension. Some aerodynamics to help keep it down and straight. Spin it up to 12k rpm (+/-) with twin turbos . Running methanol. With the intercooler being under/inside the wing providing down force. With some of the air going through the wing. Then directed up and back to push the vehicle down. Or build a heat exchanger to only have fins or heat pipes sticking up through the wing. Experiment with this , possibly ditching it for water tanks and dry ice tanks , running about 60-80psi and a intake charge 80°-90°f or less. Possibly using nitrous oxide with c16 or methanol maybe slip about 40% nitro in the tank.😮, It should definitely produce 2-3k HP possibly more. Finding 6" pistons built like a F1 piston. Is going to be $$$. So maybe go flat12 boxer with 4.6" bore and 3" stroke 4 valves per cylinder. With the intake ports 22° from the spark plugs. And going through the cam cover. The throttle body holding down the cam cover. The head looking like a small v engine . It's not going to be more than a dream.. but I think it would be awesome. Have a great day🎉
10'000rpm is a lot... did two of those on smaller engines one worked grate and the other kept throwing out the same rod over and over again. bushings or roller bearings?
Nice to see an example of someone getting the job done quickly with a mig and spool gun, to much youtube BS of people tig "stacking dimes" thats 10 times slower.
Because you get better penetration because the spool gun operates on direct current. Eric is a government certified welder and has been welding for close to 40 years!
@@tlovsoe4211 I would of liked to have built a V12, however we are able to buy a pro stock crankshaft and it will only take a couple months to get it. When we built the 6 liter V12 we had to wait 2 years for a custom crankshaft and one and a half years for the five liter. Pete just doesn’t want to wait so long.
@@kevinbraun6272 if there is no cylinder limit then why would you stop at 12 would you not go for at least a v16 or napier w/arrow 18 cylinder maybe even be able to make a vr/w engine work i think you could solve the unequal length ports by using same port type as the old lambo v12 used where port went in between the cams (which also seen on some diesels like bmw m57)
I'm surprised the OHV pushrod fanatics haven't tried to outlaw this stuff. About the cam drives. Have the boys ever considered gear drive. Either regular spur or helical. Or a tower shaft setup. Or is a toothed belt more efficient in that consumes less power.
Actually Pete’s grandson comes over time to time with his friends to work on their cars. At least they are getting exposure to this incredible operation .
@@GregQuirin that’s awesome! I learned so much from hanging out in race car shops as a kid, even if I didn’t know it at the time. It’s a shame when we lose the knowledge that guys like these spend a lifetime learning.
Yes. It was originally designed in the 80's as an Oldsmobile Pro Stock engine block. It's gone through several updates but still a great foundation for a race engine.
The knowledge and talent in this shop is absolutely insane. I'd pay money just to hang out for a day and listen.
Ongggg the best day of your life right there
That MIG is set on kill. A 4-valve V8 that is more oversquare than a Pro Stock engine? The sound is going to be beyond glorious. Can't wait to hear it run.
Have you seen this guy? He welds copper cooling lines for steel mills, among many, many other things. A true craftsman.
ua-cam.com/video/RRxAANqmrL0/v-deo.html
Criminally underrated channel. Pete and Kevin are mechanical gods. They've gotta be approaching record amounts of speed records. All with scratch built engines. Amazing
Thank you and we hope to grow the channel and audience. Thanks for supporting the channel! Greg
Amazing! So rare to find engine builders at this level working privately. Subscribed and following along.
Thanks for the sub! I appreciate it! Thanks Greg
The Late Start Racing team really enjoys what Kevin and Pete are doing. Of course we really appreciate you Greg for bringing it to us!
Thank you very much I appreciate knowing that you enjoy seeing this content!
Outstanding! Thank you for documenting this great work and thanks to Pete and Kevin for allowing you to do so.
Glad you enjoyed it! I was at the shop this evening documenting Pete working on the timing belt assembly and Kevin was drafting up the cam lobes. More videos coming soon!
Thanks again Greg!! 👍👍 & of course not forgetting Kevin & Pete!😁
Thank you so much for documenting the process. These men are a lost art.
I used to work as an intern with Kevin at a Porsche mechanic shop. Super down to earth guy knows his stuff. Thanks for teaching me everything you did about fabrication!
I love these videos! Those two guys are a national treasure. ❤
Yes they are! Both are amazing individuals and highly talented. Thank you
This channel and these scratch built engines are just awesome.
Glad you like them!
The doggie is having a blast too!
Yep the dog is part of the team and has lots of experience around the shop and on the lakebed!
Very impressive! Thank you for making this content.
Your welcome!
They make use of every square inch of that little shop. I'll never complain about my tiny shop again.....
Can't wait to hear the monster on the starting line.
Me too it will be a screamer!
These guys are such bad asses. Can't wait to see this engine on the salt. Thanks for documenting their incredible work.
Your very welcome!
Instead of a butterfly throttle, here are the perfect conditions to make a slide throttle, just like in the old Gr.A / DTM engines.
Thank you for another great video!!
This type also allows for shortening the intake length, compared to a butterfly throttle.
Great point! Thank you
These guys are so smart like this is the kind of content I'm looking for
Glad you like it! More content coming soon
Thanks for this content I feel blessed to be in the shop learning with a couple of legends. It’s the next best thing from your seat thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoy it! I’m working on another video and we have it posted soon!
Thank you Greg for making these videos for us and thank you Pete and Kevin for allowing him to make the videos. This stuff is fascinating!
Glad you like them! Thank you Greg
This is amazing work, these guys are geniuses, they want a record and they just build it themselves to get that record. Engineers these days should watch and learn, maybe they will learn it's not all math work, but some critical thinking too.
You Nailed it! Thank you Greg
I appreciate the inside scoop, since I'm currently designing heads to go on my 4.6 liter 3-valve Ford V8 (using pneumatic valve actuation). Now I just need their garage and machining skills.
Camless valve technology really opens up the possibilities for both engine operation and head design.
OMG, DIY pneumatic actuation is not the easiest way home :)
This is easily my favorite car channel going right now. I've gotten so much inspiration.
Wow, thanks! That’s awesome I get inspired every time I visit Pete’s shop! We will have more content loaded up soon! Thanks Greg
Great. Very interesting. 4V DOHC FTW
Lot of work, but no stone unturned; love what they are doing and thanks to you Greg and Kevin and Pete for bringing us along.
No problem buddy your welcome- more content coming soon thanks Greg
Very impressive engineering.
Nice seeing the process. 👍
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Very interesting as always.
Glad you enjoyed it
I look forward to updates like these
thanks that was cool to see the process good machining and welding with spool gun i thought you guys GTAW weld all that stuff very nice looking forward to see it run on the lake bed I'am sure I will see it I'am a SCTA worker
We will see you in May on the Lakebed. I believe Pete will kick off the season with the V12 so we will have some amazing music to listen to when it races down course at 10,000 rpm
I would work with them for free to learn all this knowledge
I’m learning a lot hanging around the shop!
Very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it
Absolutely superb. I am subscribed to one channel... this one.
Awesome, thank you! I really appreciate it! Greg
Outstanding lads, keep it up
You do such a good job with your videos and getting them to talk and explain things.
Loving it.
Thanks and bring it on.
More to come! Thank you
parabéns pelo trabalho...fantástico
Muitíssimo obrigado. Gregorio!
A work of art and love
outstanding ability, inspiring to say the least. Thank You
Wow, thank you!
Did you consider using david vizards poly quad design it staggers valves to promote swirl amongst other tricks
Just unbelievable, gorgeous work. 😍
Thank you so much 😀 I will relay the message to Pete and Kevin
Great job! Keep it up Greg.
Thanks, will do!
Thanks for another great video!
Glad you like them! Thank you Greg
Through tool coolant would really help those deep drilling operations. That could lubricate the tool and improve cutting process and work well with pecking to evacuate chips.
I used to work in an engine plant. Oil distribution ports in the blocks and heads on the Aluminum V-6s (1) were gun drilled in one pass. No pecking with high pressure coolant flushing the chips. The cast iron inline 4s & 6s the main oil ports were done with 1/2 twist drill at least 18 inches long with a special grind to ease drilling.
1) Chrysler 2.7 and 3.5. Any issues you may have heard about with the 2.7 are purely the result of design choices. Not build quality. Driving the coolant pump off of the internal timing chain was a really stupid decision. Both the 2.7 and 3.5 featured some things that potentially could lead to a really stout engine if modified. Deep skirt block. 6 bolt main caps (4 vertical 2 cross), cast windage trays, forged cranks, descent porting, crank mounted oil pump etc. All tapped holes in the blocks and heads feature formed not cut threads aside possibly from some meant for mounting sensors etc. Stellite valve sets and guides. I've long had the thought that the 3.5 or the 4.0 along with its transaxle could make a nice engine transmission setup in a mid engine sports car.
Mad men with skills beyond most. It will sound like a motorcycle inline 4 at 10k RPM.
Whit 200 years of experience combined in that shop. They can think through problems at lightning speed. Considering we are getting 200 hp out of 1.3Ll bike motors , 1100 is not unbelievable N/A. Be really cool to see them do that first and then force feed it to 3500HP
Thanks
No problem!
Amazing work, I'm impressed.
Thank you very much! Greg
Great documentation.
Glad you enjoyed it thank you
Please make these to the end.
Great stuff!
I want to see how the cam tappet bores get done and the cam boxes get line bored / honed.
Thanks for sharing
Coming soon!
Impressive work.
Valve angle, is there some special thought about that?
If you could send these guys back in time to England or the Connecticut River Valley circa 1824, I feel like they could singlehandedly accelerate the Industrial Revolution by 150 years in a few decades. Cunard would probably be offering cruises to Jupiter by now.
Awesome!!
Great work guys, that’s going to sound awesome with that big bore short stroke. It’s not going to be a flat plane crank is it?
never seen the wire in the handle, cracking idea every mig ive owned as struggled with wire feed if working in crapped condition. bane if my welding life, oh and getting one in the ear.
I wouldn't mind building a front drive streamliner, with the driver in front , build a engine from sheet aluminum similar to a EJ subaru engine only a 8cylender boxer, with about 6" bore and 2.8-3.125" Stoke. With a 6 speed transmission with 2-3 auxiliary overdrives. And possibly a single rear wheel. With air suspension. Some aerodynamics to help keep it down and straight. Spin it up to 12k rpm (+/-) with twin turbos . Running methanol. With the intercooler being under/inside the wing providing down force. With some of the air going through the wing. Then directed up and back to push the vehicle down. Or build a heat exchanger to only have fins or heat pipes sticking up through the wing. Experiment with this , possibly ditching it for water tanks and dry ice tanks , running about 60-80psi and a intake charge 80°-90°f or less. Possibly using nitrous oxide with c16 or methanol maybe slip about 40% nitro in the tank.😮, It should definitely produce 2-3k HP possibly more. Finding 6" pistons built like a F1 piston. Is going to be $$$. So maybe go flat12 boxer with 4.6" bore and 3" stroke 4 valves per cylinder. With the intake ports 22° from the spark plugs. And going through the cam cover. The throttle body holding down the cam cover. The head looking like a small v engine . It's not going to be more than a dream.. but I think it would be awesome. Have a great day🎉
10'000rpm is a lot... did two of those on smaller engines one worked grate and the other kept throwing out the same rod over and over again. bushings or roller bearings?
9000 to 10,000 RPM is pretty standard for Pete and Kevin‘s engines pretty sure it will be fine at 10,000
Man I wish they could do me to v6 ford block lol
What’s that crazy spool wire aluminium welder?
Yep, Eric the welder is amazing!
The welding process is it done with DC en or is he using AC though the spool gun?
I think it is and AC welder
@@GregQuirin that's awesome deal with them making there own OHC heads for the LS engine. Can't wait for you to release part 2 of the build...
Nice to see an example of someone getting the job done quickly with a mig and spool gun, to much youtube BS of people tig "stacking dimes" thats 10 times slower.
I wonder why the welder uses a spool gun rather then tig??
Because you get better penetration because the spool gun operates on direct current.
Eric is a government certified welder and has been welding for close to 40 years!
@@kevinbraun6272 thanks for responding.. Im sure he knows what he is doing I just did not understand why
152hp per litre for the rest of the world.
So, 113ish kW per liter?
@@ehb403 Yes.
unsure how you get 7.2l i get
The class we race in is a 7.2 liter limit.
This engine has a 4.625 bore and 3.2 stroke which comes out to be about 7.048 liters.
@@kevinbraun6272 ahh ok why would you not go for more cylinders then or is 8 max
@@tlovsoe4211 I would of liked to have built a V12, however we are able to buy a pro stock crankshaft and it will only take a couple months to get it.
When we built the 6 liter V12 we had to wait 2 years for a custom crankshaft and one and a half years for the five liter.
Pete just doesn’t want to wait so long.
@@kevinbraun6272 if there is no cylinder limit then why would you stop at 12 would you not go for at least a v16 or napier w/arrow 18 cylinder maybe even be able to make a vr/w engine work i think you could solve the unequal length ports by using same port type as the old lambo v12 used where port went in between the cams (which also seen on some diesels like bmw m57)
building a motor from scratch is insane and crazy difficult. amazing work.
I'm surprised the OHV pushrod fanatics haven't tried to outlaw this stuff. About the cam drives. Have the boys ever considered gear drive. Either regular spur or helical. Or a tower shaft setup. Or is a toothed belt more efficient in that consumes less power.
Nice. And I thought I had "built" a few engines. Guess not.😂
😅
😀ei käsitä
don’t ask welderman to think while welding
please!!!!
What block are they using? Something factory?
It is a DRCE 3 block designed for pro stock drag racing.
It’s a shame that no young kids are hanging out in that shop sponging up the knowledge.
Actually Pete’s grandson comes over time to time with his friends to work on their cars. At least they are getting exposure to this incredible operation .
@@GregQuirin that’s awesome! I learned so much from hanging out in race car shops as a kid, even if I didn’t know it at the time. It’s a shame when we lose the knowledge that guys like these spend a lifetime learning.
These two never seem to be exactly on the same page of what they are actually doing.
but they always come to the same conclusion. perhaps this is the secret. diffrent opinions ending in the same result.
Is this considered a big block? 😂
Depends on who is doin the considerin.
Yes. It was originally designed in the 80's as an Oldsmobile Pro Stock engine block. It's gone through several updates but still a great foundation for a race engine.
@mchristr how much would something like this weigh? And is this flat plane or cross plane?
@@SpaceMulva what so you mean
amazing stuff, great effort
Thank you
You do such a good job with your videos and getting them to talk and explain things
Thank you, everything is 100 organic no scripted stories. Pete and Kevin just speaking shop talk.