I appreciate the fact that you included your mistakes and troubleshooting. Very encouraging for people like me who get discouraged quickly when things go wrong. Make on!
Excellent style in teaching. I realize, but not only that you realize you don't know everything, and that is the first requirement that makes a good teacher, but what you do know you teach well. Without that first requirement, you wouldn't be as knowledgeable as you are, because you questioned it and figured it out, you weren't afraid to admit you didn't know something, and therefore opened you up to knowing the real truth, that is a sign of actual intelligence. Your style is the best it gets, showing the failures right along during the process, showing how you don't give up or get too excited and break things, but just simply say "lets take a look" and you troubleshoot it and fix it in minutes.
Pretty cool! I like how you showed that you had problems. I have never done a project that worked the first time. By you showing the trouble shooting, it allows us who want to build this as well to add that interior extension the first time.
Nice idea with that reducer as the back of the piston. I don't have reducers with quite that same flange in my local stores. Good result. I was just talking with someone else about a project they were working on with these pistons and cylinders.
Thanks for the original video showing how to get the pistons setup! Last year from that video I was able to build a ridiculous 4" tennis ball cannon that would shoot it so fast and far you'd lose sight of it. I had some neat ideas for the trigger mechanism and building a kind of stock for it. I need to go rebuild it, but video it this time.
Very nice! Yes you can make some great cannons with these pistons. By the way, since the inside of this pipe is 2" in diameter and area is radius squared x pi, r=1", squared it's still 1", x pi = 3.14 square inches. So all you have to do to figure out the strength of a 2" piston is multiply the pressure used by pi. 100 psi of pressure = 314 lbs of push. Pull will be less because you need to subtract the area of the shaft from the total. You should add some rubber bumpers inside the pipe so the piston doesn't slam into bare PVC when it's bottomed out in either direction.
I have been looking for something which enables me to move a sliding tube within a tube for a telescope pillar , the telescope plus the hardware weights 50 pounds, your design far exceeds mine and as you said is only simple physics . It just a matter of changing the diameter of the tubes that make the pneumatic cylinder ! Thanks a great deal ! Kudos for you ! you solved my 1 year old project !
Improvement ideas: inner diameter of 2" PVC = 2.047" outer diameter of 1-1/4" PVC = 1.660" 2.047"-1.660" = 0.387" (free space between inner diameter of 2" PVC and outer diameter of 1-1/4" PVC) 0.387"/2= 0.1935" (divide by 2 to account for both sides of ring.) Cross Section C.S. of ring must be larger than 0.1935" to seal. inner diameter I.D. of ring needs to be smaller than 1.660" to fit snug. Outer diameter O.D. of ring needs to be larger than 2.047 to seal. What size ring to buy: (size 326 is what I would try) has a C.S. of 0.210" - good has a I.D. of 1.600" - good has a O.D. of 2.020" - (bad by 0.027") But, considering the ring has to stretch by 0.06" to fit over PVC it will be larger and considering the C.S. is 0.0165 larger than the space available it should compress nicely. If you get the x ring instead of the O-ring, it will give two sealing surfaces instead of one. Link: www.allorings.com/x-ring-seal-sizes If you order it made of HNBR it will have the best abrasion resistance. Link: www.allorings.com/o-ring-materials-comparison Also, bevel the inner edge of the 2" PVC with a plumbers de-burring tool so the ring doesn't get damaged when inserting. Other than that, lubricate with silicon grease and you will have nice performance.
Great video. Liked and subscribed. I can't understand the 27 dislikes, it has to be the same person with 27 computer accounts. Great job on the build. Just a tidbit: One mole of air, on average, contains exactly 602,214,076,000,000,000,000,000 air molecules, which occupy (R x T / atm) cubic meters; where R is the universal gas constant (8.314), T the thermal dynamic temperature, or 273.15 + celcius temperature, and atm is the atmosphere in pascals (101,325Pa), so if you know your temperature and cylinder volume, you can calculate the number of air molecules in said volume, and using the ideal gas law PV=nRT, you can calculate the pressure increase by using ratios and proportions of the volume decrease; in other words, P1 x V1 = P2 x V2, and thus (P1 x V1 / V2) = P2 then you can calculate the Energy in Joules that the parcel of compressed air has.
Awesome. ..this can be use for pvc go cart with this hydrolic. ..or a pvc retractable wheel from a amphibious go cart. ...ideas keep coming. .. excited. ..hahaha
Very very very interesting I am trying to build a streamlined camper shell which will require me to lift up a large part of my camper if I make 2 of those what you're looking at I could push up that camper using relatively low pressure air I should say the hatch to get in and also can get in through the the window between the pickup truck and this camper on building. One guy is using PVC give me foam as this piston and by compressing it at forces it out that's not a bad bad concept I don't think for low pressure. But the nice thing is by using a metal rod and and sheathing it with the PVC pipe you can have a real long stroke and control the compression of the whole thing without worrying about buying expensive bolts for your limitation
Awesome video. I appreciate your teaching style, it meshes with my brain, well. It would be great if you could walk us through the math of pressure. I never took physics, but I understand the basic concepts.
nice video!, would of loved to had pieces layed out and numbered in order for the "cylinder", then same for the "rod". WARNING PVC PIPE can shatter badly sending out shrapnel, from cutting alone, to putting pressure in the pipes. wear your saftey glasses, suggest long sleeves, and a face mask, cutting pipe in small short rings more so. *ughs*.
In the end i didn't hear any leaks, but i was wondering if it does? The reason i ask is because i wanted to build a air cylinder and piston but wondered if i would need to figure out something to stop the leak/s in those seals if any. The leaks might not hurt its application for many purposes, but for my purpose it has to be as leak free as possible.
It did and still does, I've been trying to find a more straightforward process to make better seals, but haven't found any that doesn't require a lathe
Had to watch without sound, so maybe I missed some explanations. However, you need to watch some PVC glue-up video's, that was painful. Very cool overall though. How long can it run continuous before needing more oil?
The O ring is not what determines potential force, the area of the piston is what he was talking about of which determines output force. And on the shaft side(the return/in stroke) of the double acting piston, he mentioned how the shaft size takes away from the available piston area that the return stroke air pressure can reach, causing it to be a bit weaker than the out stroke. and he is 100% correct.
Can you make a ball valve out of PVC, so you don't have to use electronic valves to open & close the in & out air lines? Like a faucet ball valve. But in a PVC Tube way.
I'm sure you could make a manual version. I've been prototyping(mostly unsuccessfully) a homebuilt solenoid valve. You could use PVC ball valves to accomplish the same thing but you would need at least 4 different valves as far as I can tell.
In the description. I'm currently working on a telescoping version that might be better suited for that purpose. Life is pretty crazy at the moment, so I'm not sure when it will be out.
How much weight do you think four of those together would lift for instance I have a pop-up camper and needs some type of mechanism to lift the top the original equipment has become missing
It's hard to say without knowing the stroke you would need. My guess it would weigh about the same as a standard pneumatic piston, but take up more space.
If you can get a good sea, then you could theoretically. But mine leaked, I think it's possible to get a really good seal on them, but if it's bouncing around behind a truck I'm not sure it wouldn't just bounce itself loose and not seal well.
@@mikebrick6982 with those requirements, I wouldnt even try anything smaller than 4", 200-300 lbs can easily be lifted with enough pressure, but as many have pointed out, PVC can shatter and doesn't have a great torsional strength. I'm sure it's possible to pull off, but I think you'd spend just as much with all of the extra supports to make sure theres fail-safes and the load is perfectly linear as you would to just buy 4 real pneumatic pistons
I will make one for the rack topper on my Silverado. Two, one for each side. It's plywood homemade so it's heavy. Say, on a vehicle, is there a compact source of air pressure available?
I've been wanting to get a system to regulate air from paintball/scuba tanks (3000 - 4500 psi) to a usable 20-200 psi. Not sure how long they will last, but I think that's the best bet currently.
Not sure what you mean by that. You're going to need something to hold the pressure. Depending on how big they are, you could have a small air compressor running off of an inverter that's plugged into the 12v socket.
I'm not sure about all solenoid valves, this one does yes, and that's why a potential upgrade are Quick Exhaust Valves, so the venting air doesn't have to travel as far to be vented
@@roninmakes4992 Thank you very much. I had been thinking about a telescoping pvc air ram to raise the mast on a MacGregor sailboat, but this is a more refined idea and practical development. The difference is I would use a "push" ram only and perhaps a manual valve to control the lift. Excellent video, and thanks again.
I think that's the perfect use case for something like this! You probably wouldn't need to increase the pressure. At 30 psi it's going to have something like 180 pounds of push force, and like 130 of pull force, if you need it to go faster you should probably use quick exhaust valves. But PVC tends to be rigid and can shatter if you go too fast, so test it out safely. Mine tends to leak a bit and I haven't found a way around it yet, so maybe putting something to dampen the sound around it would be a good idea, or incorporate it into the prop! Let us know how it goes!
All depends upon the pressure. And unless youve got a sophisticated lock system built around a cylinder like this, it's a recipe to have 3 tons drop from 2 meters onto whatever and whoever lies underneath. PVC can shatter if overstressed, pressure is an awesome thing, but you have to take strength of materials into account if you want to go down that road
@@roninmakes4992 Please add that to your supply list in the description. Had to scroll quite a while to find this asked and answered. TYVM for this video.
So is priming and glueing immediately, and doing your quarter turn while you are pressing the male to female, not after and not a half or more seconds later. Watch this guy, and make sure to check out his Teflon Tape vs Pipe Dope, mind blown. ua-cam.com/video/QITVd4N7064/v-deo.html
this is dangerous: dont use pvc it explodes under pressure, use polythene high pressure gas pipe instead. at least for the outer. or wrap it in kevlar tape.
PVC and pneumatics do not go hand in hand LOL. Temperature, dropping it, and other factors can make these kind of things send PVC shrapnel in all directions xD
Corality The use of PVC pipe is common but NOT RECOMMENDED for use with compressed air. It is often used because it is readily available, inexpensive, and easy to install. However, as with many plastics, PVC gets brittle over time and can crack, break, or even shatter. Your cement won’t do anything if a crack forms. I personally had PVC projects as a teenager (properly cemented) explode that wasn’t a “machine gun”
@@N1tTROxUMP45 Don't bother, Corality has his mind set. Yes, PVC is used at higher pressures with water, and water doesn't compress, so when it cracks you do not have a grenade going off. Air is compressable, and will most definately will grenade which is why its use is frowned upon. Also, PVC will brittle up and whats fine now might not be in 3 or 5 years if it has exposure to sun or UV from metal halide high hat lights. Also, I believe it is pressure derated as temps go up. If it used anything besides intermittent, you will have friction and pressure heat build-up. A lot of kids and adults are hurt every year with their spud cannons.
I appreciate the fact that you included your mistakes and troubleshooting. Very encouraging for people like me who get discouraged quickly when things go wrong. Make on!
Excellent style in teaching. I realize, but not only that you realize you don't know everything, and that is the first requirement that makes a good teacher, but what you do know you teach well. Without that first requirement, you wouldn't be as knowledgeable as you are, because you questioned it and figured it out, you weren't afraid to admit you didn't know something, and therefore opened you up to knowing the real truth, that is a sign of actual intelligence. Your style is the best it gets, showing the failures right along during the process, showing how you don't give up or get too excited and break things, but just simply say "lets take a look" and you troubleshoot it and fix it in minutes.
Pretty cool! I like how you showed that you had problems. I have never done a project that worked the first time. By you showing the trouble shooting, it allows us who want to build this as well to add that interior extension the first time.
Nice idea with that reducer as the back of the piston. I don't have reducers with quite that same flange in my local stores. Good result. I was just talking with someone else about a project they were working on with these pistons and cylinders.
Thanks for the original video showing how to get the pistons setup! Last year from that video I was able to build a ridiculous 4" tennis ball cannon that would shoot it so fast and far you'd lose sight of it. I had some neat ideas for the trigger mechanism and building a kind of stock for it. I need to go rebuild it, but video it this time.
Very nice! Yes you can make some great cannons with these pistons. By the way, since the inside of this pipe is 2" in diameter and area is radius squared x pi, r=1", squared it's still 1", x pi = 3.14 square inches. So all you have to do to figure out the strength of a 2" piston is multiply the pressure used by pi. 100 psi of pressure = 314 lbs of push. Pull will be less because you need to subtract the area of the shaft from the total. You should add some rubber bumpers inside the pipe so the piston doesn't slam into bare PVC when it's bottomed out in either direction.
@@Nighthawkinlight Thank you, you just answered what I've been trying to Google and figure out for a while. Cheers
I have been looking for something which enables me to move a sliding tube within a tube for a telescope pillar , the telescope plus the hardware weights 50 pounds, your design far exceeds mine and as you said is only simple physics . It just a matter of changing the diameter of the tubes that make the pneumatic cylinder ! Thanks a great deal ! Kudos for you ! you solved my 1 year old project !
We're actually working on a telescoping version right now! Stay tuned for that video
@@roninmakes4992 I am eager to watch it , thanks a million !
I’m going to use this to make a water pump
you 're a genuis man thanks because of your video i understand how pneumatic cylinder really works
That's what I was looking for Halloween. A compact pneumatic piston in order to make an animatronic to scare people. Thx and greetings from Spain.
Improvement ideas:
inner diameter of 2" PVC = 2.047"
outer diameter of 1-1/4" PVC = 1.660"
2.047"-1.660" = 0.387" (free space between inner diameter of 2" PVC and outer diameter of 1-1/4" PVC)
0.387"/2= 0.1935" (divide by 2 to account for both sides of ring.)
Cross Section C.S. of ring must be larger than 0.1935" to seal.
inner diameter I.D. of ring needs to be smaller than 1.660" to fit snug.
Outer diameter O.D. of ring needs to be larger than 2.047 to seal.
What size ring to buy:
(size 326 is what I would try)
has a C.S. of 0.210" - good
has a I.D. of 1.600" - good
has a O.D. of 2.020" - (bad by 0.027")
But, considering the ring has to stretch by 0.06" to fit over PVC it will be larger
and considering the C.S. is 0.0165 larger than the space available it should compress nicely.
If you get the x ring instead of the O-ring, it will give two sealing surfaces instead of one.
Link: www.allorings.com/x-ring-seal-sizes
If you order it made of HNBR it will have the best abrasion resistance.
Link: www.allorings.com/o-ring-materials-comparison
Also, bevel the inner edge of the 2" PVC with a plumbers de-burring tool so the ring doesn't get damaged when inserting.
Other than that, lubricate with silicon grease and you will have nice performance.
Great video. Liked and subscribed. I can't understand the 27 dislikes, it has to be the same person with 27 computer accounts. Great job on the build.
Just a tidbit:
One mole of air, on average, contains exactly 602,214,076,000,000,000,000,000 air molecules, which occupy (R x T / atm) cubic meters; where R is the universal gas constant (8.314), T the thermal dynamic temperature, or 273.15 + celcius temperature, and atm is the atmosphere in pascals (101,325Pa), so if you know your temperature and cylinder volume, you can calculate the number of air molecules in said volume, and using the ideal gas law PV=nRT, you can calculate the pressure increase by using ratios and proportions of the volume decrease; in other words, P1 x V1 = P2 x V2, and thus (P1 x V1 / V2) = P2 then you can calculate the Energy in Joules that the parcel of compressed air has.
Awesome. ..this can be use for pvc go cart with this hydrolic. ..or a pvc retractable wheel from a amphibious go cart. ...ideas keep coming. .. excited. ..hahaha
Very very very interesting I am trying to build a streamlined camper shell which will require me to lift up a large part of my camper if I make 2 of those what you're looking at I could push up that camper using relatively low pressure air I should say the hatch to get in and also can get in through the the window between the pickup truck and this camper on building. One guy is using PVC give me foam as this piston and by compressing it at forces it out that's not a bad bad concept I don't think for low pressure. But the nice thing is by using a metal rod and and sheathing it with the PVC pipe you can have a real long stroke and control the compression of the whole thing without worrying about buying expensive bolts for your limitation
Great video. Thanks for the inspiration on making an inexpensive air cylinder.
Very cool, thank you Ronin!
Is this piston strong enough to crush aluminum soda cans . Thanks for the video.
I'm working on similar, but the o-rings just can't hold 40psi of water pressure, water leaks right pass them, even using two.
I'm a bit stumped now.
I definitely learned a lot man! Great video! Thanks for sharing!
Are you also from America
Awesome video. I appreciate your teaching style, it meshes with my brain, well. It would be great if you could walk us through the math of pressure. I never took physics, but I understand the basic concepts.
nice video!, would of loved to had pieces layed out and numbered in order for the "cylinder", then same for the "rod". WARNING PVC PIPE can shatter badly sending out shrapnel, from cutting alone, to putting pressure in the pipes. wear your saftey glasses, suggest long sleeves, and a face mask, cutting pipe in small short rings more so. *ughs*.
In the end i didn't hear any leaks, but i was wondering if it does? The reason i ask is because i wanted to build a air cylinder and piston but wondered if i would need to figure out something to stop the leak/s in those seals if any. The leaks might not hurt its application for many purposes, but for my purpose it has to be as leak free as possible.
It did and still does, I've been trying to find a more straightforward process to make better seals, but haven't found any that doesn't require a lathe
Had to watch without sound, so maybe I missed some explanations. However, you need to watch some PVC glue-up video's, that was painful. Very cool overall though. How long can it run continuous before needing more oil?
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The O ring is the same size no matter which way you are using the cylinder....so both directions have the same potential.
The O ring is not what determines potential force, the area of the piston is what he was talking about of which determines output force. And on the shaft side(the return/in stroke) of the double acting piston, he mentioned how the shaft size takes away from the available piston area that the return stroke air pressure can reach, causing it to be a bit weaker than the out stroke. and he is 100% correct.
How mutch pressure does it need and how mutch force it gives ?
Can you make a ball valve out of PVC, so you don't have to use electronic valves to open & close the in & out air lines? Like a faucet ball valve. But in a PVC Tube way.
I'm sure you could make a manual version. I've been prototyping(mostly unsuccessfully) a homebuilt solenoid valve. You could use PVC ball valves to accomplish the same thing but you would need at least 4 different valves as far as I can tell.
Check out the late King Of Random. He showed a couple ways to make them cheaply.
@@boots7859 Do you have a link or the name of the video. I can't seam to find it.
Where is the link to the parts list? I want to make this for a pop-up outdoor movie screen.
In the description. I'm currently working on a telescoping version that might be better suited for that purpose. Life is pretty crazy at the moment, so I'm not sure when it will be out.
Cool. I hope I can do projects like this someday
How much weight do you think four of those together would lift for instance I have a pop-up camper and needs some type of mechanism to lift the top the original equipment has become missing
It's hard to say without knowing the stroke you would need. My guess it would weigh about the same as a standard pneumatic piston, but take up more space.
Four of those one on each corner of the pop-up camper I would say the pop-up portion lifts about 4 feet high and weighs approximately 200-300 pounds
And is it capable of staying in the lifted position without an air compressor constantly running
If you can get a good sea, then you could theoretically. But mine leaked, I think it's possible to get a really good seal on them, but if it's bouncing around behind a truck I'm not sure it wouldn't just bounce itself loose and not seal well.
@@mikebrick6982 with those requirements, I wouldnt even try anything smaller than 4", 200-300 lbs can easily be lifted with enough pressure, but as many have pointed out, PVC can shatter and doesn't have a great torsional strength. I'm sure it's possible to pull off, but I think you'd spend just as much with all of the extra supports to make sure theres fail-safes and the load is perfectly linear as you would to just buy 4 real pneumatic pistons
I will make one for the rack topper on my Silverado. Two, one for each side. It's plywood homemade so it's heavy. Say, on a vehicle, is there a compact source of air pressure available?
I've been wanting to get a system to regulate air from paintball/scuba tanks (3000 - 4500 psi) to a usable 20-200 psi. Not sure how long they will last, but I think that's the best bet currently.
Is there an unregulated source?
Not sure what you mean by that. You're going to need something to hold the pressure. Depending on how big they are, you could have a small air compressor running off of an inverter that's plugged into the 12v socket.
What about a tank to fill at home to last only a few uses, then refill at home?
Yeah that should work!
Does the solenoid valve automatically vent the low pressure side?
I'm not sure about all solenoid valves, this one does yes, and that's why a potential upgrade are Quick Exhaust Valves, so the venting air doesn't have to travel as far to be vented
@@roninmakes4992
Thank you very much. I had been thinking about a telescoping pvc air ram to raise the mast on a MacGregor sailboat, but this is a more refined idea and practical development. The difference is I would use a "push" ram only and perhaps a manual valve to control the lift. Excellent video, and thanks again.
Nice video. I'm interested in building one. Would increasing the pressure make this suitable for a pop up Halloween prop?
I think that's the perfect use case for something like this! You probably wouldn't need to increase the pressure. At 30 psi it's going to have something like 180 pounds of push force, and like 130 of pull force, if you need it to go faster you should probably use quick exhaust valves. But PVC tends to be rigid and can shatter if you go too fast, so test it out safely. Mine tends to leak a bit and I haven't found a way around it yet, so maybe putting something to dampen the sound around it would be a good idea, or incorporate it into the prop! Let us know how it goes!
What diameter of pipe to lift 3 tons a car up to 2 meters?
All depends upon the pressure. And unless youve got a sophisticated lock system built around a cylinder like this, it's a recipe to have 3 tons drop from 2 meters onto whatever and whoever lies underneath. PVC can shatter if overstressed, pressure is an awesome thing, but you have to take strength of materials into account if you want to go down that road
Awesome....!!! Thanks for sharing.
Very simple and easy to follow, and not to much math is always a bonus. Awesome video thanks for making it.
P.s. Those are some big ass taps
What schedule pvc did you use 40?
Yeah schedule 40 for everything
@@roninmakes4992 Please add that to your supply list in the description. Had to scroll quite a while to find this asked and answered. TYVM for this video.
Great video bro
More pvc glue is NEVER better than the right amount. Makes for a substandard solvent weld.
So is priming and glueing immediately, and doing your quarter turn while you are pressing the male to female, not after and not a half or more seconds later.
Watch this guy, and make sure to check out his Teflon Tape vs Pipe Dope, mind blown.
ua-cam.com/video/QITVd4N7064/v-deo.html
this is dangerous: dont use pvc it explodes under pressure, use polythene high pressure gas pipe instead. at least for the outer. or wrap it in kevlar tape.
Pretty cool
PVC and pneumatics do not go hand in hand LOL. Temperature, dropping it, and other factors can make these kind of things send PVC shrapnel in all directions xD
@Corality Youre running the risk of a PVC grenade going off
Corality The use of PVC pipe is common but NOT RECOMMENDED for use with compressed air. It is often used because it is readily available, inexpensive, and easy to install. However, as with many plastics, PVC gets brittle over time and can crack, break, or even shatter. Your cement won’t do anything if a crack forms. I personally had PVC projects as a teenager (properly cemented) explode that wasn’t a “machine gun”
@Corality "air source to high" is subjective. You give no values and keep saying high like there is a standard value for high.
@@N1tTROxUMP45 Don't bother, Corality has his mind set. Yes, PVC is used at higher pressures with water, and water doesn't compress, so when it cracks you do not have a grenade going off. Air is compressable, and will most definately will grenade which is why its use is frowned upon. Also, PVC will brittle up and whats fine now might not be in 3 or 5 years if it has exposure to sun or UV from metal halide high hat lights. Also, I believe it is pressure derated as temps go up. If it used anything besides intermittent, you will have friction and pressure heat build-up.
A lot of kids and adults are hurt every year with their spud cannons.
@@boots7859 I still ended up making a PVC compressed air dildo cannon
Wow nice video
Cool
cute
Stop calling things he and her!
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