Fantastic explanation on the complete Arty modernisation plan. Yet I see some self proclaimed experts in the comments 😅 General said it for you “ Fauj moorkh nahi hai “
Which Army wanted the same rifle to fire 6.8 5.56 and 7.62 from the same rifle BTW first customer of ATAGS was Armenia a gun designed for IA needs was inducted by a foreign country first
Pretty intricate discussion on our strategy depths for artillery, real eye opening episode. Seeds sown by his dedication in 1990 and 2000 are bearing fruit, Gen Shankar can easily be the ‘Father of Indian Artillery’
Empty words, if its over weight then why army wasted 10 years? They have tested that gun everywhere except outer space now Indian army says it's over weight? What they have tested for last 10 years? Indian military Never allowed indian equipment grow, reasons known to everyone. May be Switzerland test is not enough
Yeah lol and also Armenia bought it, but for Indian army it was not according to India terrain specific, looks like they were developing atags for Armenia military, not Indian military 😂
The video was very informative and bursted many hearsay. Print must get such people who are genuine experts and have first hand knowledge of the issue at hand. Though the video was long, I still listened to every single word.
ATAGS can be bought and placed in plains in Rajasthan and Punjab by Indian Army & move lighter guns from there to the mountaineous terrain; classic IMPORTAholic SYNDROME; shameful that pakistan has more 'self-propelled guns' than Bharat leave out china which is on another mega-level
This vlog must be seen by Mr Guptaji of Print and hopefully he will understand the Army thinking better and his old insane thinking will change about the defence preparedness....thank you Gen Ravi Shankar for putting it so clearly and being blunt! I listened because of your presence
i didn't get one thing someone pls clarify, we lost war with china but we made guns keeping papistan in mind. bizarre , we don't have people who do analysis of our threats ? was that requirement told to bforge to keep mobility in mind.?
Chandigarh lobby at its finest.., Arjun - overweight ATAGS - overweight, LCA - We dont have the engine.., But we can import whole fighters, import whole artillery systems (ATHOS) by 🪛 giri.., 🤡🤡
shankar is contradicting himself: A.) first he said ATAGS is dead duck as it can't shoot and scoot in mountains B.) 32:00 Onwards he says to support imported M777 'you do not shoot & scoot in mountains; you shoot & sit' THEY JUST WANT IMPORTS IMPORTS & MORE IMPORTS
1. Lt Gen P R Shankar , is he related to The Editor in chief ? they look very similar +/- Mustash 2. Lt Gen P R Shankar , He should be deputy MoD under Rajnath Singh .A very clear logical straight shooter!
Finally we now know the truth about the ATAGS' development, refinement & ordering history (starting at 2:25). So far we've only heard from DRDO & others, now we get to hear from the source, the Indian Army, and more specifically, the officer who was closely associated with it. Lt Gen PR Shankar (Retd.) has obviously been closely associated with the development of indigenous weapon systems and is a fan of local development. Is the IA still going to be accused of harbouring an "import lobby"? Extremely important (from 3:54): "Armenia has taken whatever the ATAGS was". "But that same ATAGS has issues in our system, because it is for terrain." Also, "The ATAGS which will go to Armenia is different and the ATAGS we will buy is different." If I could, I would have asked Gen Shankar why wheeled self-propelled (WSP) howitzers can't be used in the mountains. Is the difficulty of airlifting a showstopper? You can always fit a more powerful engine to the truck to counteract the loss of power at altitude, plus the WSP howitzer reduces the overall length, a critical issue for making turns on tight mountain roads.
At a press conference some time ago, US general James Rainey said that Russia is taking 3 minutes to detect the position of Ukrainian M777s and taking counter-measures. That makes all towed artillery high-risk when India faces countries like China. Discussions on their merits are pointless in this new age of war.
I think India have seen theyv left it a bit to long for small arms like rifles and pistols USA and Germany have the head start to them ,but with the new factories already there they can easily compete with any one in the world with the big guns and become the leader
A.) NOT PROVEN : Bofors Gun(Imported sweden) B.) NOT PROVEN : K9 Vajra is a 155 mm, 52-caliber (KOREAN Imported) C.) NOT PROVEN: Sig 716i (IMPORTED FROM USA)
Why is it taking so long time to induct MGS? It took more time for Atags to go through trials and testing than for development. 155mm mounted MGS and 105mm garuda v2 are necessary yet it's taking so much time to induct . Also why was follow on order of k9 vajra yet not given . That l&t factory of vajra is still under development. Pakistan is taking 236+ pcl181 howitizers ....
USAF are so patriotic and Lovers of 'USA indigenous weapon system' even when european Airbus Refueller defeated Boeing Refueller STILL USAF bought Swadeshi boeing
They are ahead in technology. But Yes but they do use European system whenever required. Abrams has rheinmetall gun, the machine gun is a licensed copy from Belgium FN, Italian beretta and Austrian glock for side arms, German H&K, the new standard issue rifle is a licensed copy of Swiss SIG sauer.
so we have ordered 3.x billion of drone we may not have needed, 90+ 414 engines and unknow unseen 404s, pressure for stryker and f 15/16 in mrfa, and then you thow us under the bus with pannu and adani, well played uncle sam
SO 48+ ton T-72 tanks can be taken to china front mountains ; so 25 ton LIGHT TANK ZORAWAR is being developed for hilly areas but 14 TON ATAGS gun cannot be deployed? Hudd ho gayi 🙄
@@mverick5444 For mountains it has to be ultra light howitzers, not a towed one. We already have M777 and the one from Kalyani. We are just not ordering the kalyani one. For the plains it should be ATAGs.
print media anchors are always so dumb . They dictate everyone elseful on how to mind their business well. They tell the army how and what should be done. They lecture the PM and finanance ministry on how to manage and the Fm on how to manage finanance. Good to see Gen Shanker put them in place.
Army is dumb, they are changing RFI 10 times in 10 years, and betting for athos which is basically inferior in every aspect against ATAGS+more expensive and no autonomity. Army wants bribes than indian corps cant give, they are taking decades to induct a single rifle when Chinese have successfully betted on their domestic MIC and winning
Drdo, Private sector tata and bharat forge with Indian army, were not developing atags for Indian military and Indian terrains specific! But Armenian specific 😅 Hell more then 10 years wasted!
Proud to listen to you SIR. That is why Indian Army is the best.
Comprehensive. Thankyou Gen Shankar and Snehesh . This is truly cutting the clutter
Gen Shankar is fantastic ❤
Really enjoyed the conversation listening to Lt. General. Proud of our armed forces and the entire ecosystem involved in protecting our borders
Gunners Shot is the name of Gen. Shankar's channel.
Felt proud
There was a feeling of achievement
Made in India 🙏👍
Fantastic explanation on the complete Arty modernisation plan.
Yet I see some self proclaimed experts in the comments 😅
General said it for you “ Fauj moorkh nahi hai “
Also the Government is not dumb when he said why government didnot buy ATHOS from elbit and why they are waste of money for WW2 old technology.
Which Army wanted the same rifle to fire 6.8 5.56 and 7.62 from the same rifle
BTW first customer of ATAGS was Armenia a gun designed for IA needs was inducted by a foreign country first
Pretty intricate discussion on our strategy depths for artillery, real eye opening episode. Seeds sown by his dedication in 1990 and 2000 are bearing fruit, Gen Shankar can easily be the ‘Father of Indian Artillery’
Empty words, if its over weight then why army wasted 10 years? They have tested that gun everywhere except outer space now Indian army says it's over weight? What they have tested for last 10 years? Indian military Never allowed indian equipment grow, reasons known to everyone. May be Switzerland test is not enough
Yeah lol and also Armenia bought it, but for Indian army it was not according to India terrain specific, looks like they were developing atags for Armenia military, not Indian military 😂
@@galavant_amli Arm-chair pseudo-expert chu--ya!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Arm-chair pseudo-expert chu--ya!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The video was very informative and bursted many hearsay. Print must get such people who are genuine experts and have first hand knowledge of the issue at hand. Though the video was long, I still listened to every single word.
Army will order the system where it can get maximum chamdi and damri ... Chandigarh gang is complete control of army today
He clearly mentioned... No ETHOS GUN...
ATAGS can be bought and placed in plains in Rajasthan and Punjab by Indian Army & move lighter guns from there to the mountaineous terrain; classic IMPORTAholic SYNDROME; shameful that pakistan has more 'self-propelled guns' than Bharat leave out china which is on another mega-level
What a man! Thank you for your service!
This vlog must be seen by Mr Guptaji of Print and hopefully he will understand the Army thinking better and his old insane thinking will change about the defence preparedness....thank you Gen Ravi Shankar for putting it so clearly and being blunt! I listened because of your presence
To be fair the defence correspondent is a smart guy, who was honest enough to admit the popular myth
i didn't get one thing someone pls clarify, we lost war with china but we made guns keeping papistan in mind. bizarre , we don't have people who do analysis of our threats ? was that requirement told to bforge to keep mobility in mind.?
Papistan 😂
Chandigarh lobby at its finest..,
Arjun - overweight
ATAGS - overweight,
LCA - We dont have the engine..,
But we can import whole fighters, import whole artillery systems (ATHOS) by 🪛 giri.., 🤡🤡
Indeed comprehensive discussion
Father of Indian Artillery indeed !
May the epithet stick !😊
Interesting sir, thank you for your service
Video clip (17:21) is showing Tavor rifle when talking Athos gun🤷♂
Great video. Awesome journalism. Keep it up.
great, I personnel like this conversion specially all the logic
shankar is contradicting himself: A.) first he said ATAGS is dead duck as it can't shoot and scoot in mountains B.) 32:00 Onwards he says to support imported M777 'you do not shoot & scoot in mountains; you shoot & sit' THEY JUST WANT IMPORTS IMPORTS & MORE IMPORTS
Good discussion
Thanks
1. Lt Gen P R Shankar , is he related to The Editor in chief ? they look very similar +/- Mustash
2. Lt Gen P R Shankar , He should be deputy MoD under Rajnath Singh .A very clear logical straight shooter!
Awesome journalism !
Finally we now know the truth about the ATAGS' development, refinement & ordering history (starting at 2:25). So far we've only heard from DRDO & others, now we get to hear from the source, the Indian Army, and more specifically, the officer who was closely associated with it. Lt Gen PR Shankar (Retd.) has obviously been closely associated with the development of indigenous weapon systems and is a fan of local development. Is the IA still going to be accused of harbouring an "import lobby"?
Extremely important (from 3:54): "Armenia has taken whatever the ATAGS was". "But that same ATAGS has issues in our system, because it is for terrain." Also, "The ATAGS which will go to Armenia is different and the ATAGS we will buy is different."
If I could, I would have asked Gen Shankar why wheeled self-propelled (WSP) howitzers can't be used in the mountains. Is the difficulty of airlifting a showstopper? You can always fit a more powerful engine to the truck to counteract the loss of power at altitude, plus the WSP howitzer reduces the overall length, a critical issue for making turns on tight mountain roads.
Thanks 🙏
At a press conference some time ago, US general James Rainey said that Russia is taking 3 minutes to detect the position of Ukrainian M777s and taking counter-measures.
That makes all towed artillery high-risk when India faces countries like China.
Discussions on their merits are pointless in this new age of war.
Should have worked with private contractors (Tata, Mahindra ) for all variants in parallel. Would not have wasted 10 years.
What about Swedish Archer Guns ?
I think India have seen theyv left it a bit to long for small arms like rifles and pistols USA and Germany have the head start to them ,but with the new factories already there they can easily compete with any one in the world with the big guns and become the leader
The "Gunner" has "Shot"
Quality in Comparison with Other Countries And How Better than BOFORS Gun
Its headed down the drain. Corrupt practices and treacherous behaviour is costing most Indians their liberty..
what about 105mm garuda?
14:15 Congress rule and its effect
A.) NOT PROVEN : Bofors Gun(Imported sweden) B.) NOT PROVEN : K9 Vajra is a 155 mm, 52-caliber (KOREAN Imported) C.) NOT PROVEN: Sig 716i (IMPORTED FROM USA)
Why is it taking so long time to induct MGS?
It took more time for Atags to go through trials and testing than for development.
155mm mounted MGS and 105mm garuda v2 are necessary yet it's taking so much time to induct . Also why was follow on order of k9 vajra yet not given . That l&t factory of vajra is still under development. Pakistan is taking 236+ pcl181 howitizers ....
USAF are so patriotic and Lovers of 'USA indigenous weapon system' even when european Airbus Refueller defeated Boeing Refueller STILL USAF bought Swadeshi boeing
They are ahead in technology. But Yes but they do use European system whenever required. Abrams has rheinmetall gun, the machine gun is a licensed copy from Belgium FN, Italian beretta and Austrian glock for side arms, German H&K, the new standard issue rifle is a licensed copy of Swiss SIG sauer.
so we have ordered 3.x billion of drone we may not have needed, 90+ 414 engines and unknow unseen 404s, pressure for stryker and f 15/16 in mrfa, and then you thow us under the bus with pannu and adani, well played uncle sam
🤣😂😅 so credit to Artilerry Directorate's hardwork that M777 import happened
SO 48+ ton T-72 tanks can be taken to china front mountains ; so 25 ton LIGHT TANK ZORAWAR is being developed for hilly areas but 14 TON ATAGS gun cannot be deployed? Hudd ho gayi 🙄
A tank is self propelled with its own engine.
Atags is not a vehicle. It needs to be towed behind a truck or air lifted under chopper.
@@mverick5444 For mountains it has to be ultra light howitzers, not a towed one. We already have M777 and the one from Kalyani. We are just not ordering the kalyani one. For the plains it should be ATAGs.
Import lobby, Indian Army. 😂😂
PPT जनरल पहले जेडी पर ज्ञान बेचते थे, अब यहां आ गए। Expert in फालतू talks
print media anchors are always so dumb . They dictate everyone elseful on how to mind their business well. They tell the army how and what should be done. They lecture the PM and finanance ministry on how to manage and the Fm on how to manage finanance.
Good to see Gen Shanker put them in place.
Army is dumb, they are changing RFI 10 times in 10 years, and betting for athos which is basically inferior in every aspect against ATAGS+more expensive and no autonomity.
Army wants bribes than indian corps cant give, they are taking decades to induct a single rifle when Chinese have successfully betted on their domestic MIC and winning
Drdo, Private sector tata and bharat forge with Indian army, were not developing atags for Indian military and Indian terrains specific! But Armenian specific 😅
Hell more then 10 years wasted!
Import army jindabad
Chutiya ho kya unke terrain ke hisab se sahi bait to le liya
Gn sb, kahan fesh gaye ?ye anti India aur communist channel hai , per Heavy Gun Gn se jabab milega.
excellent lot of stupidity was cleared by the general