A Decade of Democracy: China and Russia
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2022
- Ten years ago, Xi Jinping ascended to national leadership in China and Vladimir Putin began his second stint as Russia’s president. Over the next decade, both have consolidated power over their countries, and today both unapologetically and jointly proclaim their autocratic, ruthless, macho rule as a more effective model of democracy, winning admirers and imitators the world over. As Putin has pushed this model to unthinkable extremes, what has the effect been on fellow and aspiring autocrats? What is the best way to prevent the template from replicating even further?
Jaroslaw Kuisz, Editor in Chief, Kultura Liberalna
Jeffrey Sachs, Director, Center for Sustainable Development, Columbia University
Su Yun Woo, Postdoctoral Researcher, Institute of Political Science, University of Zurich
Moderated by Steven Erlanger, Chief Diplomatic Correspondent, Europe, The New York Times
"Jeffery, stop. It's enough, I am the moderator " in a forum for democracy. That provides a clear explanation of how the current Western democracy is, nothing more and nothing less.
well said
Shawn Hennity, this says it all . Greetings from Belgium
You hit a nail on the head Shawn
Democrashits should be a fair word for western systems if you insist to name voting system controlled by capitals. At least you should avoid using the word "democracy", otherwise you're literally insulting your own language
Quickly went from Democracy Forum to Autocracy Forum. Oh, the irony.
The world needs more people like Professor Sachs who speaks the truth without fear.
Keep this up Professor!
But he got shut up by moderators everytime that he speaks on stage, people don't want to listen, or don't want the normal people to listen to the truth, that's the world we live in.
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia.
All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
The moderator already had the answer, and just looking for proof from casts
BBC once interviewed him for a environmental program but he was asked straightaway about China's democracy. You should listen how he educated the host, cracking!!!
The pay back is - he never invited by BBC again because the agency doesn't allow guests with different view 😱
freedom of speech - free to speak about what they want to hear.
Jeffery is a breath of fresh air in the world.
He's a stinker full of self importance who doesnt live in a socialist paradise that he promotes. If he loves it so much why does he live in the USA?
@@arthurlincoln9093 give us a break were just looking a bit of peace here in Ireland.
@@davydacounsellor I love Ireland. The Irish never know when to stop talking either. To be sure.
💯💯 afrika with Jeffery
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia.
All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
Prof Sachs is
A hero for truth,
A hero for humanity
A hero of integrity and honesty
Good people love Prof Sachs
🙏❤️🙏
Exactly
He's a conceited big head who would happily take away our freedoms as would little miss China here who seems as though she is trying to sell us a square wheel.
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia.
All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
Totally agreed!
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Sachs is also just plain cheeky, arrogant SoaB.
The Kremlin's "useful idiot" or agent of influence.
As expected, the NYT correspondent interrupts Jeffrey Sachs precisely when he describes the United States record of war and aggression from 1950 til today.
So called freedom of speech and accusation of censorship in other countries
My hat off for Mr. Sachs, a brave man with wisdom.
NYT must have regretted big time that they have invited Prof Sachs. Looked at the reactions from the audience when he spoke. I feel sorry for the poor moderator who completely lost it when Prof Sachs make his point that UK was and US is the biggest threat to world peace while both are viewed a democratic society from inside. The guy couldn’t handle it anymore and started shouting, so disgusting
@@untertk3048 I absolutely agree with you and make mine your words
That's why we keep having endless wars. They try to shut truth tellers up. The US needs to stop the violence, my entire life has been occupied with wars.
Mr Jeffrey Sachs you are full of facts with evidence. You are good
It sounds like he didn't sell out, or that he hasn't sold out yet.
But remember, everyone can be threatened, and we all have a breaking point. They might come after his family for instance. The power elites behave much like the mafia.
Jeffrey Sachs is a great speaker. He is the best of all. He is honest and brave to speak about the historical truth.
He's got balls of steel to call out his own country essentially as a lawless bullying pariah state.
He's an economist and therefore knows nothing. If economics was a science the world would be stable but economics is the hand maiden of politics and politics is full of criminals and liars.
@@scalarnai That is the messiness of democracy. The beauty of the autocratic states people will not be allowed to point out anything negative of their states. In Russia any opposition gets imprisoned, in China there will be a political purge.
Sachs witnessed firsthand "Shock Therapy" did to Russia and the Russian people.
@@willengel2458 Did he really? So what? Yeltsin endorsed it. Gorbachev flirted with it and was the acceptable face of a Russian leader in the west. The oligarchs stole the money. They looted the state and it was Russian politicians who destroyed the lives of Russian people.
No wonder the USSR collapsed.
Jeffrey Sachs is more concerned for the well-being of the whole world rather than any particular country.❤
He's so inocent and naive, there's no freedom of speech in China, world will be the same if China leads.
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia.
All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
How does opposing War harm any particular country?
Recognizing problems and trying to point his own country towards the right path is a way of love towards his own country. Sure he concerns about US and want to make things right too. The way US going, could be a self-destruction which corrupt from the inside.
@@gregorywade1559 Well isn't it US that stops Ukraine from negotiating with Russia?
Jeff is a warrior for peace.
👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Another warrior for piece? - Hopefully not! Moreover, I do believe he is a true piecemaker!
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia.
All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
China & Russia matter to most of us , said the moderater. To me , the answer is NO. US hypocricy , lies & brutality are what matter to most of us. My upmost RESPECT for Mr Jeffrey Sachs. Greetings from SEAsia.
The overwhelming support for professor Sachs here is
a telling testimony that truths don't lie in the main media players but in the common people who feel sick of the hypocritical dominant media machines.
people are ready to explode, or runaway, this so called western democracy is becoming too dangerous, and everything is about to fail.
Were they applauding Sachs, or were the applauding the moderator silencing Sachs? Since they did not shout out to let Sachs continue his speech, I am under the impression they applauded silencing the non politically correct view of the western establishment.
@@amossutandi Lmao. Are you the type of person who thought the audiences were booing Taylor Swift after Kanye West grabbed the mic from her?😂
Prof Sachs is the modern day Aristotle
No, sir, far from it. Read Aristotle's Politics and you will see that he says that a good monarchy is more honorable than a good democracy, consequently he also says that bad monarchy is worse than a bad democracy.
Nah just a well read guy with some common sense.
Nah just a guy who opened his eyes to the true
But since we lack people like that currently, yeah he's one of the brightest
After watcing many these kind of videos, I came to conclusion that the democracy the West means is the rest of world should obey it without any questions asked. 😆😆
Exactly like Sachs said, you can be democracy at home and imperialist abroad
Even in the US, they banned people from speaking truth.
Dictation = you must obey what I say.
West Democracy = you must obey what I say.
🤔
There's no Democracy in the US or its colonies because all the politicans are bought by Corporations and Banks.
u the point,lol
It's a NYT forum, focused on criticizing China and Russia as not meeting the West's standards of *democracy.* Dr. Jeffrey Sachs (at about 14:50) points out that Great Britain was the greatest democracy of the 19th century and also the most violent nation of that time. And then Dr. Sachs points out that since the 1950s, the US has been the most violent country in the world, and the NYT moderator rudely demands that Dr. Sachs stop talking. HUGE respect to Dr. Jeffrey Sachs for actual truth telling, something we rarely see at events such as this fake forum. Dr. Sachs does some more extreme truth telling again beginning at about 31:13, again with the moderator freaking out and trying to stop him.
19:50
I believe NYT has been promoting Yellow Peril and Sick Man of Asia and here they are talking about democracy. What a joke. They can't even stay true to themselves.
I would add that the violence continues today. Blair invaded Sierra Leone ; and collaborated with Bush Jr. to invade Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really liked the scene where the host interrupted Professor Sachs so much, I couldn't help laughing
It's maybe why the establishment are pushing identity politics. It's not the contents of your character nor your action that counts, but what label you put on the person/perpetrator/country.
Jeffrey is peeling off the deception layer by layer, the moderator can’t handle the NAKED truth!
😆😂
Professor Sachs, you are the ONLY adult in the room. Thank you sir.
on the podium you mean?
@@nakim1200 Nope, should be the entire western world
The polish guy is for sure a kind of person who has a great title, yet acts and thinkns like a primary student.
I get chills just from listening to Professor Sachs sincere and emotional speech, but it also depresses me he is perfectly correct. As a Chinese American, I have never experienced this much hatred and ignorance towards China by Americans, and mostly from the political elite who is just protecting their own selfish agendas, or by the mobs who have never even been outside of the US, let alone in China, to actually meet anyone that lives there. I personally am not a fan of single party system nor a fanboy of the ccp, but even I can see the fact that they have brought millions out of their poverty in such a short amount of time. Here is a simple fact and you can use your own common sense to judge it; take a trip to China, and ask any random person off the street if they are better off than their parent's or grandparent's generation? Then ask the same question to random Americans off their street in LA or NYC. I am more worried than ever with the relentless of attacks from American politicians, I really hope China doesn't fall for the Western bs as Putin did with NATO. Like Professor Sachs said, why can't we have more dialog and peace talks instead of wars and insults.
You are so out of touch with Chinese wisdom. Don't forget that China is the only ancient civilization that is still alive today that has not been interrupted by colonization. In China, if you don't support the Communist Party, which party do you support? You can find a party that does better than the Communist Party, and the Communist Party will be replaced. I am Chinese and I think I speak for the vast majority of Chinese people when I say that we support the Communist Party because they have earned our respect and support. It's definitely not just fear, as the Western media reports. They underestimate the courage and determination of the Chinese. We have the tradition of revolution since ancient times that we are not afraid of sacrifice and war, but we also cherish peace and are willing to do anything for the sake of the next generation
Because the US needs wars to make money, to suck the blood of other countries, and to insult other countries to make it look like a powerful and invincible bully that you fear
So they need to control the discourse power of the media, a lie told a thousand times will be taken seriously by some people
@@anonymintheworld9781 your wumao smug is so strong you can't even understand what I wrote is pro China, instead you call me out of touch lol. If you think EVERYONE feel so supportive of the ccp why limit their freedom of speech and the internet? This the fuel that the West can always use
If you aren't afraid of people speaking up, then let go the censorship, proof to thr world. China would truly get the respect on the world stage if they were so sensitive towards cristism, as you literally just displayed, I didn't even criticism them in my original post but you decide to comment with gourmet propaganda
@@YoungTang 是你没有读懂我写的，并不是我没有读懂你写的，你不是亲中，你只是个精致利己主义罢了。你立场跟我没关系，你想亲哪儿就亲哪儿。麻烦了解一下苏东坡和佛印的故事，然后再来看一遍这些内容。
The student from HK is exactly seeds Britain planted since taken over HK. No idea and no knowledge of Chinese history and just siding with propaganda without investigating the fact. Sad. 😢
Absolutely!! 100% agreed! I love HK SAR, China!
He is typical “I am not Chinese” Hongkongeser. The type bred and promoted by the Anglo-American Empire.
@@rebeccachan3405 The funny thing is Hong Kong hates it when Western men "take their women" but actually HK girls prefer white men for a reason -- cuz HK guys have no backbone and no sense of national pride.
This HK guy talked like HK was a sovereign state under British rules 😂 HK never had a free election or freedom of speech under British rules
Not all Hong Kong youth are like this. Those like him already flee to aboard and speaking empty accusation in the western countries for their survival. Hope our fellow chinese would not turn this into hate for all Hong Kong youth. Cheers.
What a drama that Hong Kong guy put on as if he really cares about human rights, i dont know if he was has such dramatic feeling when US destroy countrys after countrys, killing millions of muslims? he knows nothing about Xinjiang and Uyghur people who actually live much happier life than before, i have not only been to Xinjiang several times and lived with locals, but also followed some Uyghur vloggers on YT who are showing their daily life in Xinjiang, and I can tell their live is improving a great lot! feel shame that this guy has no interest at all to see the real Xinjiang with his own eyes rather than blindly believing "Nayirah 2.0" lie manufactured by western politicians and media. What a joke.
Well said! What a pathetic guy he is. At least the other guy from Slovakia asked a real question while the HK guy was just ranting. It was great that Prof Sachs didn’t even bother to respond to this guy.
I can’t take him either. His emotional speech or question is so terrible that he should ask himself about invasion by US and UK.
Hongkong youths are brainwashed so well that they think they know the best
It is so pathetic that he actually believe in whatever western media told them
Hong Kong people are super racist, that tells you that the apple does not fall far from the tree. They learned much from the brits.
He was raised by British law and education, (Hong Kong was not under the educational system of China, since the lawmakers, education systems are still British) so he cannot take the facts that what he was told are all lies. Then lying to yourself is the best way to continue feeling superior and proud as a Hong Kong or British civilized person rather than Chinese.
Wow! Sachs is amazing!
I wish the Hongkong student would open his eyes and make himself actually on a trip to Xinjiang in stead of sitting at home watching UA-cam and talk about things he has no idea about.
I love Prof Jeffrey, not because we have the same political view or he debates for the Chinese. Simply of his unbiased, unprejudices characteristics.
As a Chinese, especially one who has lived in both Europe and China, I feel that the Western media has been consciously smearing China and not reporting China objectively. This is largely why many Westerners have a negative attitude towards China. However, only if you have actually been to China and lived there you can understand why ordinary Chinese people support the Communist Party so much. Simply because for the vast majority of people their voices were heard, their demands were met, they got what they wanted. They have many freedoms and rights that some westerners don't have. Most Chinese don't understand why Westerners who talk about freedom force the Chinese to copy their democracy and don't give the Chinese the freedom to choose their own way of life and political system.
I agree with you, Raphael. He is for coexistence and cooperation.
@@anonymintheworld9781 the good political system are ought to serve the public, not the minority, or the particular bunch of interest. Hilariously those people who hates CCP but they barely understand the situation, their history. They never objectively analyse the pro and cons of each political system. Although Chinese system not the best political system, they have the ability to rectify it, and they never urged to export their political system.
@@anonymintheworld9781 yes I can't agree more with you
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs is, above all, a great intellectual committed to peace and humanity’s forum. His skills and capacities to understand very well what’s going around are much higher to the average intellectuals worldwide. Unfortunately politicians aren’t interested to hear about the truth neither to learn how to rule a world in a very complex situation. So we, the people of the world, of every corner of the planet, have the moral obligation to spread Mr. Sachs’ message.
Info, you're so right. We need to spread Mr. Sach's work and wisdom to as many people as possible. Let the truth out.
Agree your comments
Mr. jeffrey opinion is not surprising to the Chinese... because it is all common sense
For example, I can also talk about the essence of Western democratic politics
The essence of emphasizing people's power is to emphasize the power of capitalists, because capitalists are hidden among the people
When the strength of the people becomes greater, the strength of the capitalists will become greater., Therefore, capitalists must emphasize "the supremacy of individual power", "liberalism", "social Darwinism" and "small government", because the reality is "winner takes all"
The essence of the world is not the left and the right... but the lower and upper classes
Why does capitalism emphasize the left and right? Capitalists hope that people do not understand that the essence of the world is class... so that the lower class will not threaten them, so their themes are homosexuality, abortion, environmental protection and other non class issues... 5% of the world's people decide the ideology of others
The essence of the separation of powers is not legislation, administration and judicature, but capital groups, political power and media. Behind the media is a consortium, and behind the candidates is also a consortium. Political leaders can be replaced because they are the puppet of capitalists. But capitalists are always capitalists. The richest 200 people in the United States can decide government policy. Just as the German premier was forced to visit China by a group of German consortiums, the capitalists are stateless and can go anywhere to make money. If there is a threat, they will leave there. They need not be responsible to the people there. If anything goes wrong, we will elect a new regime. People's grievances do not affect them, and they are still at large. For example, the subprime mortgage crisis in the United States means that the government has been kidnapped by capital. Therefore, capitalists must emphasize "openness" and embrace "globalization" until China emerges and defeats them with their rules of the game. The struggle between Democrats and Republicans is also a struggle between two groups of capitalists. The Republican Party represents the interests of local capitalists, such as the oil industry and agriculture. Democrats represent financial and service industries, such as Wall Street. That's all
These have nothing to do with "democracy and freedom". For example, the West supports the independence of Hong Kong, but Spain, Catalonia, demands independence. The referendum was passed by 92% of the votes. The western government did not recognize them, and they put them in prison. This is a double standard
This Poland guys is a perfect example of what you become when repeating too much propaganda, he can talk half hour but nobody understand a word 😂
He was paid to bad mouth Russia, but he embarrassed himself.😂
And his fake tears for Ukrainians. Poland showed no tears for Middle Eastern refugees in 2015. Hence it's all just politics.
@@ikf726 I am from Poland and, unfortunately, I am convinced that he does it for free. Which makes it even worse👏
@@franzobenhauser6364 Well, tears may be fake but hate for Russia is totally honest🥲
@@baqiriq 😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Huge respect for Professor Sachs who is a man with integrity.
Notice he started off with President Xi wanting to be the emperor forever, then the polish guy straight away drawing parallels of Ukraine and Taiwan, he didn’t even answer the original question of democracy in Russia in the last decade and constantly bringing Ukraine into the conversation constantly
And it’s ridiculous what an Orwellian state he’s making China out to be when he talked about how there’s “someone in every apartment” to monitor the people.
中国人支持习主席，更多的是因为大家在他身上看到了血性，敢于对美国说不，这是以前没有的，他上台之前，中国总是不得不向这些发达国家妥协。中国不追求统治世界，中国追求的是让那些偷中国东西的脏手离开
I'm not from the US , but a candidate I should vote for the presidency is Mr.Sachs Jeffrey. Greetings from Belgium.
Alexander, I agree with you 100%
Amen! For world peace!
No use US president don’t run the world, the deep state are.
Impossible. If he became the president, he would break the benefits of those "Elites", or he would have to chnage his moralty in that comment.
They need biden like people or Trump who only cares his wealth and power.
Jeffery is probably the only one having the cleared mind and understanding the history!
A HUGE fan of Professor Sachs!!! A man of honesty and integrity ... unlike the New York Times!!!
Moderator ruined the discussion. He wasn't moderating chat he was filtering it.
Dear Jeffery, thank you for brave voice. All real free souls are with, proud of you.
Whoever planned this session should not have mixed Russia and China together. China alone would have been fascinating giving us the chance to hear of some of the novel democratic developments in China that actually give Chinese citizens more rights than can be found in the democratic circus in the West.
Absolutely right. We could see the democratic rights of the Chinese people are far better than many of our so-called democratic countries
Reminds of a joke about democracy:
A farmer asked his son before he died, "Pigs complain about poor feed, cows complain about heavy work, and chickens complain about dirty nests. What should you do?". The son said: "Change to good feed, buy more cows, clean up Chicken coop." The farmer shook his head and said. "No, don't do anything. Let them vote one from the pigs to take care of them, and let them think they control their own destiny”.
Father’s idea = American liberal democracy
Son’s idea = Chinese democracy
Why, China and Russia are the bad and evil countries so says the USA. They are the owns that need to be contained at the moment. So that USA can keep in full control of the world.
Would any of you go to China & experience the “real” or “son democracy” there under the “ lock down condition” & Zero covid policy? Now!
ASPI (Australian Strategic Policy Institute) is a “think tank” paid by the Australian Govt to produce Lies about China. A recent effort was to claim that China uses Uyghur slaves in Xianjing. This was shown to be completely untrue.
Australia joined AUKUS - Australia gave up its own Submarines (defensive in nature) - instead we pay the running costs of American Nuclear Submarines which patrol the South China Seas (in return we are supposed to get an American submarine in 2040). The associated militarisation has pushed Indonesia closer to China (similarly for other ASEAN nations). Are these the results the US wants to achieve? China used to be our leading trading partner, with many Asian students being educated here. This is all over - Australia now has the largest Debt in our history. We can all see what the US is doing to German and European Industry. Are we next?
Amazing how the polish guy talk about the nervous sovereignty of Taiwan and Ukraine but forget the whole South America and the USA. Don’t get me start on the unmoderated moderator.
Clowns get paid I see, how could they snuck in, with other serious panelists, it is a mistery to me.
people compare Taiwan to Ukraine, but they are not the same, Ukraine is a country, Taiwan is part of a country, the ROC still hold territory on the mainland til this day, the PRC allows it to keep the civil war alive, they know it is political suicide for any politician in ROC to suggest abandoning territory to PRC, this prevent ROC from transitioning into ROT while holding territory on the mainland. the reality is Taiwan is more similar to Crimea, part of a country, supported by an external power, ruled seperately, but internationally still recognise as part of Ukraine.
Taiwan is Crimea, China is Ukraine and US is Russia.
@@lagrangewei you are wrong. Us@ has imperi@l institutes backing it. Not russ1a.
Proffessor Sachs, thank you for speaking the truth, the world need more people like you. Please run for president of the USA, I'll vote for you in a heartbeat. 👍👍👍👏👏👏
The world definitely need more people like Prof. Jeffrey Sach.
Prof Sachs is such a great speaker, I wish he wasnt snuffed out by the moderator so I could hear everything he had to say
The moderator doesn’t like it because Jeffrey said positive things about China and the truth.
The speech at the advertised democracy forum was interrupted by the moderator authoritarian. The host showed a model of what is meant by American democracy. Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, you are my hero.
Mr. Szchs -combatant for the truth and freedom- a real hero, an excellency in dignity, prototyp of honesty and justice. God bless him!
Don't forget he was also the architect of Russia's neoliberal shock therapy in which he destroyed the Russian economy, created a rich oligarchy, massive poverty, decreased life expectancy, hunger, and a lot of suffering in Russia.
All to benefit the US and world Plutocracy to steal Russia's resources and state companies to privatize them, profit off of them and steal the people's wealth
The moderator may claim he is not to defend a certain party but his tone, questions and interrupuions when Jeffrey Sachs was talking about the qualities of Chinese officials, just indicate otherwise.
Totally agree!! Spot on!
The HK person obviously is definitely so misinformed and regurgitating info from the western MSM.
Kudos to Prof Sach for his factual response. Standing with the US elitists mindset isn’t going to solve the problems.
This HK guy, too young, too simple and naive. Hope he will become more mature and develop a critical mind.
@@ikf726 Yup, he is obviously one of those yellow-silk r0aches rioting in 2019. He trots out the usual China-bashing tropes or talking points paraded repeatedly by western media. These are the type of people who clearly are trained to use the same playbook by the West i.e. describe only the horrific symptoms ("gulags" in XJ as if it's a irrefutable fact LOL, jailing students in HK, etc.) without ever mentioning what's the actual cause/provocation i.e. religious extremism, terrorism, separatism in XJ & HK's breakdown of law & order in 2019 descending into anarchy. Why ? It would have neutered if not diminished their sensational & false narrative.
They obviously brought someone from HK to attack China and one from Poland to attack Russia. Cheap trick.
He doesn’t even look smart 😂
@@wll6777that’s why he’s selected by the west. Smart guy doesn’t believe in the western propaganda.😂
Jeffrey Dr. Sachs of all my years watching the shows of world, you are not a politician nor a player but a genuine teacher.
Jeffery Sachs is a true hero of mankind，an inspiration for us all
Prof Sachs is the glimmer of light in the darkness of todays world where political opinion is dominated by MSM. I sincerely thank you for your work and for speaking up.
The misconception about "democracy," in my opinion, is that there is only one kind of it-political democracy, such as one- or multi-party political systems, completely ignoring economic and social democracy. You can have a political democratic system, such as election, while people lack economic and social democracies, . Let me offer you two examples: elections can be held, but many people are still homeless, and many people are bankrupt because there is no government-sponsored health care. Democracy should be a means to make people's lives better, not as a primary goal. Any democracy that can't make people's lives better isn't a good democracy.
Fully agreed
Even the election is not democratic either, because poor people can never be elected ever. Furthermore, if a party can’t represent the majority of people, especially the bottom ones, you can never call that democracy.
The so called democracy from the the western world is the right to colonialize other countries.
This kind of democracy they are pursuing does not befifit the general public in result oriented way but superficial procedure.
And most importantly the west has always use democracy as weapon tools to topple and outthrow an elected foreign government that don't want to be their puppet.
So bombing of Serbia and invasion of Iraq lybia Cuba and Vietnam are all the notorious legacy of so called democracy!
They exercise democracy home while ruthlessly killing and bombing others is so hypocritical.
Actually it is not a democracy. What you name a political democracy can be and is easily manipulated.
Democrashits should be a fair word for western systems if you insist to name today's voting system controlled by capitals. At least you should avoid using the word "democracy", otherwise you're literally insulting your own language
Jeffrey Sachs is truly a voice of reason and understanding. I wish he wasn't cut off! I would have loved to hear where he was going.
Jefferey Sachs rocks, as usual!
Hat off to you, Sir, Pro Jeffrey!!! My upmost respect to you for speaking the truth clearly and in the clearest and simplest English that everyone can understand !!! No BS, and no sugarcoated needed…Just simply the TRUTH !!! 👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
That Hong Kong student doest know what he's asking. The one country that colonised Hong Kong (britain) has a long history of human rights abuse. So if this is indeed about human rights, why does he support British rule over Hong Kong?
Silly young man.
Jeffrey is a true peacemaker, not just another warrior for piece.
Thank you for being persistent in delivering your message for the better good of the entire world, Prof. Sachs!!
Jeffrey is amazing!! Awesome and brilliant fact based presentation. Su Yun is very articulate and present a pretty good balance view of China.
Not balance for balance sake, but the true objectives & intents behind the policies formulated by China's gov't.
Professor Sachs is the only one who spoke reason
Prof Sachs is always on point. What is annoying is this moderator. He comes immediately with tainted lens, right off the bat-listen to him talking about China to Ms Kim and then leads the Polish panelist about his own viewpoint/feeling about Russia. Funnily enough as soon as Prof Sachs talks about the US, he defends….They should find someone more objective next time to claim this role as moderator!
He works for the NYT. Birds of a feather.... ??
Jeffrey Sachs is emerging as the strongest, clearest and even bravest voice for peace in this crisis (Ukraine).
Steven Erlanger’s ego was pricked and was hurt terribly with the truth that Jeffrey Sachs related. So hurt that Steven has to stop Mr. Sachs!
Jeffrey is very brave, say truth even in the western political correctness forum.
I’m a follower a true fan of Prof. Sachs, and didn’t like the moderator interrupted him, but you shall agree with me that Democracy lies on rules. 🤷🏻♂️
Im confused as to why the moderator felt the need to stop Jeffrey when he started talking about the US, but he was completely fine letting him go on about Britain.
You cannot speak anything bad about the US
If you are being censored by the main stream media, then you are saying the right things.
Poor Jaroslaw Kulsz doesn't know what's he talking about neither do I or we. Trying to come to an argument with such a brilliant scholar Sachs.
He is apparently a joke, to be there to make Sachs look ever better.
Why that guy keep’s interrupting Jeff. let him finish first very unprofessional from the host.
This is not unprofessionalism! This is western censorship!
Because what Sachs is about to say is embarrassing and contradicting to the West. He is the mirror that the west refuses to look into.
Apparently, he just didnt like what he heard from the professor who talks about facts rather than western political ideology. This is one of western media interview "skills" that making up the question in a manner to get the answer you want, if not, interrupt and stop in time, and continue to the next question until getting what you want.
Guess the moderator couldn't handle that democracy in a democracy forum. 🤣🤣🤣
These former USSR territories should know that the promise that NATO was not going to expand east wards of Germany was the reason Gorbachev agreed to the collapse of soviet Union. Failure to accept that now will be viewed as an act of provocation on RUSSIA by NATO
Germany should be the first country to voice out no more NATO expansion, as without Gorbachev's approval Germany could not have been unified. Germany reaped the benefits but does not keep the promise.
My hero, Mr. Jeffrey Sachs!
Thank you Professor Sachs for your bravery to speak the truth. 👍👍
Jeffrey has the balls to tell the truth! ❤
Does the western democracy works?
And what is definition of democracy in western countries?
Does the war in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan helps the people have democracy?
Many there is a eastern democracy?
And over 10 years, we will or can see that some democracy are not a one sided fits all!
That was an interesting and educational forum. I really like Professor Sachs' approach which is born out of extensive experience. He spoke with a wisdom with a most reasonable kind and something I will try to emulate. Understanding the underpinnings of cultural expressions of governance is absolutely crucial to forge a pathway to a more harmonious planetary existence. Thank you Professor Sachs for your fearless voice of reason and wisdom. We need more leaders of thought like you.
i agree with prof. Sachs. He is brave who speaks the truth about America.
My goodness, Professor Sachs has such integrity.
After listen whole conversation, I am sure that the Polish panelist has his deep personal agenda, who should be disqualified as a panelist in future. He serves the opposite purpose of this discussion. Two naive students should not be allowed to ask questions in future as well because their misinformed questions will not serve the purpose of this democracy forum.
I was actually surprised that not all the panelists and audience in this forum were like him. One biased panelists out of three was very delightful, don't you think?
I also don't think that the lady panelist's presence is necessary at all.
@@nakim1200 She was fair. She was ignored by the moderator at most of time. it's a shame.
@@shawnhennity1769 The moderator put her there as a decoration.
I’m glad that people are starting to see how awesome professor Sachs is. He’s always been a man of integrity. Been reading him since college.
The moderator himself was very narrow minded. The entire forum felt more like a show of propaganda. Even the two student questions seem to be both hand picked before hand...
That Hongkong guy just so clownery， lol
It was pre-arranged. Still he sakes and looks like he is going to crumble.
There is a reason why HK girls prefer western men over their own: cuz of this sad display of cuckery.
The narrative was set when he referred Xi to an emperor.
Kudos to prof. Sachs with his extraordinary speech 👍👍👍👍👍
Prof Sachs spoke for 5 minutes and had to be cut off, while that Polish guy get to mumble on incoherently for 8 minutes straight. So democratic hahaha
My upmost respect to Professor Sachs
Watching this debate, I couldn’t help noticing how similar the West preach democracy as how it used to preach Christianity: it’s pure and noble, the only truth, trying to convert as many people ass possible, and waging wars with other religions, in the end it’s all about power and money.
Bravo, good point.
I am surprised that a forum held by the NYT would even allow different voices such as Jeffrey Sachs's to be heard.
Erlanger let the Ukrainian ramble on for a long time, and cut off Sachs when he didn't like what he heard. Lots of backbone, Erlanger!
Jeez, the moderator already showing his bias at the start. I'm glad Jeff shut these fools down.
Prof. Sachs just nailed it! Kudos to him!
Prof Sach is the adult in the room
The truth is always painful to know, especially when it does not make ppl feels good/comfortable/privilege anymore. Have all my respect to Professor Sachs, who is one of the few that understands and dare to speak out in the Western world.
That HK guy is a liar. I wonder if he got paid to give slanders about Xinjiang. Definitely Uyghur live in much better condition than black life in America.
What does it for me is when he said he might be sacrificing his personal freedom (jailed) for asking . My goodness. Its as if his opinion was that important or threatening to China.
He is just a jerk and wants to make himself look important.
This moderator isn't moderating, he enforces the rules of a thought prison, while suppressing the truth. I'm glad Jeffrey Sachs didn't shut up.
Bravo Jeffrey for sticking to the truth!
what the hell did the polish guy try to say? btw, taiwan and ukrain are completely different issues. no similarities. it didn't surprise me that a pole would link the two together considering poland is pretty much a vassal state of the us. i hope poland doesn't have a secret gas deal with russia like some other eu countries.
Taiwan = Crimea. a self-rule entity backed by a foreign country that is not recognise internationally...
Perhaps you can cross out the two words "pretty much".
My upmost respect to Prof. Sachs for speaking the truth.
JEFFREY! STOP! You're spitting out so much truth and facts.
How can you possibly deal with this subject in just over half an hour? And stop it to go on to view photographs from Ukraine, presumably giving a one-sided view of the conflict. What has that really got to do with democracy?
Dr. Jeff Sacks you are the best 👌
Professor Jeffery said the truth
Unbelievable. Is this a “democracy” forum? 😮😮
The title of the talk is "A decade of democracy: China and Russia" why none of the speakers are from China and Russia
The one act of shutting down Sachs has killed of any credibility from this New York Times sponsored forum.
You aren't talking about democracy if you can't let a panelist tell the truth without freaking out.
Prof. Sachs: "the Emperor has no clothes!"
The moderator: "Jeffery, stop... It's enough!"
let's talk about the democracy in China and Russia!!
This is a forum whereby only Professor Sachs's view matters. The others on the panel were not at the same level of intellectual and occupational attainment to shed further light on the topic.