PragerU & Fatherhood
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2023
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Wait until Dennis hears about kids being raised by two fathers. He'll be over the moon!
Those kids may aswell be the next step in human evolution.
Better yet, raise a kid with two fathers and one mother. He'll grow to be a hyper-human.
@@floreroafloreril1458 You're messing with forces you don't understand. These children will receive so much love and support that they will be guaranteed to succeed in their endeavours, which is communism!
@@floreroafloreril1458 Fuck it, let’s have 10 of both
@@enider takes a village after all
@@floreroafloreril1458 Perfect, society should really get on this
It is PragerU. The audience is probably more into grandfatherhood.
That is, if they get women.
2 minutes after the video was uploaded
@@MH-ow3wt hence the comment is a joke about the title...
@@KingsandGenerals Oh that makes sense
Ripping roast brov
PS love the channel, this is the cross over we love to see!!!
optimizing my child's development by creating a parental polycule with at least two moms and two dads
Yes.
Just yes.
The more people help the better.
new speedrun tech discovered, minmaxing my child soon
Divorce and double re-wedding for the win
It takes a village... or at least a backup for each parent.
It takes a village
And if I cannot live in a village
I will make one
thank you, Shaun. I have an eleven-year old daughter and I just became a widower. I have to raise this child by myself and it scares the hell out of me. I'm not rich, like Dennis, but I'm not stupid, like Dennis, and I'm not racist, like Dennis, but I will do whatever I can to raise my little one and be a good father. Anything less would be...well...like Dennis.
More power to you, man. I'm a stay at home dad for two, and I love it, but I can't imagine doing this solo. Hope that you're hanging in there.
❤
rooting for you always!
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Sorry to hear this. Good luck!
Dennis is on record saying kids aren’t special and don’t deserve love, and that a wife should provide sex on demand. Sounds like a real catch. Can’t imagine why he has been divorced twice 🤷🏼♀️.
I will forever hate how sex is understood by people like this, not as an intimate moment you share with your partner but rather an obligation of pleasure on the part of the other
Im surprised the ladder hasnt been kicked out from under him tbh
@@airplanes_aren.t_real its a powerplay to them its not even obligation per say. To them women bearing their children and having sex is about power as the superrior strong gender.
Look like he doing good in “western values”
Oh recently Jordon Peterson said men to be monster and later control it to that I say how can you protect anyone when you're more dangerous than any thug these conservative thinking of better to be a shield than a monster or have monster in your pocket as in be treating and scary when you need to for protecting other not be project power over everyone
Crazy how many Conservative arguments can be disproven by just actually reading the sources they themselves quote
I listen to the great podcast knowledge fight that covers Alex Jones, and this happens constantly. See headline, get angry, sell supplements
The reverse happens pretty often as well. In general, people are pretty lazy and very eager to just confirm their existing bias.
@@user-sr1pp7sv9q That reading the article is disproven by a conservative argument?
It’s like a school report that was done the day before
@@Carewolf I think they ment that people on the left cite a headline, but the actual meat of the article disproves the point they're trying to make.
The amount of times Dennis has lost against a position he himself made up is shockingly high
Not that shocking if you're familiar with christian fundamentalists. They've been doing that for over half a century. I'd say they have it down to a science, but they get very upset over anything to do with science. (Prager's not the loudest voice in that field, but he's still pretty high up the list.)
Your wrong. Dennis isn't trying to make a point, he's trying to confuse and anger people. It not making sense is part of it, you're supposed to take his word blindly and when you run into the contradiction in real life, get angered and confused by it. But, because you supposedly trusted Dennis, instead of blaming him for that anger and confusion, it gets dumped onto some random gay couple, or a masculine looking woman, or planned parenthood.
They tell people the world works one way, so they will be angered and confused by all the reality that contradicts them.
And why is just sad and simple: The worst people of society long ago learned that every crisis is an opportunity. So they invent crisis to convince people of, so they're easier to rob. This isn't some conspiracy, this is just a predators hunting tactics.
And if that disturbs you, yes, human predators, who prey on their fellow species, is kinda disgusting and disturbing. Fuck Prager.
@@KianaWolf Crazy that Pragers in the Christofundamentalist field then, since he's Jewish :sob:
@@eliazmichel1568I'm pretty sure he doesn't have to brain capacity to understand that Christianity and Judaism aren't the exact same thing
@@eliazmichel1568
He’s not really Jewish. I mean, he holds some Jewish values from when he was a Jew, but he explicitly doesn’t claim a religion. To me, it looks like he doesn’t care about God at all and just wants to pull in enough people to revive his physically decaying viewerbase. Maybe it’s just me, though
Dennis isn’t talking about fathers, he’s talking TO men who have kids and already agree with him, telling them 1. They’re good and 2. They’re under attack and need to give Dennis money so he can indoctrinate their kids properly.
Oof. Ya no you summed it up aptly
As a new father, the same conservatives that claim we are so important are the first to mock taking paternal leave, or prioritizing my daughter over things like social events. Heaven help you if you want to be a stay at home dad.
Keep up the good work skull lad
Not to mention the idea of a living minimum wage that keeps pace with inflation & increasing supply of affordable housing, which alone would mean people could spend far more time actually raising their children.
Thats dishonest Ive never seen a conservative mock a father for taking time to raise their kid. This is some sort of Andrew Tate strawman your crafting as conservatives in general which is just not the case.
@@christopherjohnson9167 I’ve seen plenty of conservatives mock fathers. Mainly of there main figure heads and tv personalities do so openly. You have to be out of touch completely not to see that.
Or be dishonest yourself.
@@christopherjohnson9167 you are either lying or ignorant.
@@Waspinmymind got one example??
Dennis confusing "Prestigious Journal" with "news site" is a beautiful move on its own
It's a juicy little summation of his approach to rationalisation
I know. Also, HuffPost isn’t even prestigious by news site standards.
I'm just enjoying how Three Arrows & Shaun have lately been dogpiling PragerU.
Makes me wish I could do my literature review for my master's thesis by just googling stuff and reading the first lines. Would definitely be a lot easier than all these notes!
Opinion Pieces = the actual opinion of that news site.
As well as news site = prestigious journal
Dennis was whining on Twitter around Christmas, that the "youth" of today has no respect and does not visit their family, especially not their grandparents during the holidays.
Others were quick to point out that if his kids didn't want to bring their kids to him around holidays, that sure means he was a GREAT father lmao.
You know he's of the opinion that parents are owed perfect obedience/loyalty, regardless of how they treat their children.
He's also written articles about how it's the wife's obligation or duty to have sex with her husband whenever he wants comparing it to the husband's responsibility to go to work. In short, Prager is a creepy weirdo.
@@n.clampitt That opinion alone is a big red flag about how he probably treated his children.
I do think that selfishness is a real problem. However I don't think it's related to the imagined destruction of value virtues (whatever those are). I think it's because of the general selfishness that has been pushed mainly by the far right. There is the sense that sacrificing anything for your career like family is a virtue and if you make it then you should only be grateful towards yourself and enjoy your god earned power.
I also find the lack of family commitment very troubling but I see it as part of a greater social trend of the commodification of everything. In a capitalist sense visiting family on Christmas is not a very profitable or productive thing to do. It's the reason I hear many people skip it and to me that does make it clear that it's capitalism that's the problem.
Of course this is just an opinion and an anecdotal one but it is one I strongly believe.
The strong family bonds of the 1950's didn't exist in a vacuum. They were part of a larger socialist trend of cooperation with strong unions, a strong public sector and a strong inclination faith in the greater good. I think the weakening of family units is part as well of the greater atomization of society.
That article about the difference between fathers and Dads was actually super heartwarming.
As a side note, his assumption that "we've always known fathers are valuable to childrearing UNTIL TODAY" is a bald-faced lie. There are many cultures across history where fathers contributed nothing or nearly nothing to raising their children, especially if those children were low-ranked or female.
True!!
First rule when learning history: if anyone tries to claim that something was universal across cultures and periods of history, that person is generally full of it.
Actually in some cultures like China parenting by the father was actually considered a bad thing. It was the job of the man to protect the family unit as a whole from disgrace and further their status. The idea was that the man would take care of the family as a unit while the woman would take care of the family internally. Of course this is the ideal and in practice fathers got involved with their children all the time but this was considered a bad thing. Kind of like how a administrator of a region shouldn't be micromanaging all the activities but should trust their subordinates.
Your statement isn't true though. Usually when they were low ranked the father was more involved as there wasn't a lot of family honor to protect. Also when it came to girls the father was far more involved as girls were like family bargaining chips for them to use.
@@MrMarinus18Maybe not in the era of China you're thinking of, but in multiple cultures, particularly polygynous and noble ones, lower ranked children were at best leftovers and at most parasites. The tragic history of infanticide says it all.
"If fathers are so important why did my dad leave"
-Dennis Prager
Well, clearly the fathers are too important to waste their time actually parenting worthless brats. /s
Not just that, but also Dennis himself is sterile. He's been married 3 times and never been able to conceive any kids.
Damn
Oof
holy shit lol
"I'd hope even Dennis would admit it would be better for a child to be raised in a home with two committed and loving mothers than a home with an uncaring and abusive father, right?" I think deep down, we all know too much about Dennis Prager to have such faith in his intellectual honesty.
I know very little about Dennis. But I would bet a lot that he isn't able to tell the difference between a loving parent and an abusive one.
@@FuzzyKittenBoots His channel hosted a fake child psychologist who advocates a Bible-based approach to parenting, which involves child-beating, which numerous psychological studies have shown leads to greater anxiety and paranoia in adulthood, and establishing parents as authority figures. You may remember him as the person who argued grownups should never high-five children.
@@ZephLodwick I'm Swedish. Any sort of physical discipline has been illegal here since 1979 I need no convincing on beating children being a bad thing, this man sounds absolutely terrible. ... I had not heard that... because it might make the child happy or why??
@@FuzzyKittenBoots His name is John Rosemond. I looked him up, and he also said that a kid didn't need therapy from being sexually abused, because she's be too young to remember. However, this contradicts evidence that even forgotten trauma can affect your brain, especially when you're young.
@@ZephLodwick So basically, the answer to the question "even Dennis would admit it would be better for a child to be raised in a home with two committed and loving mothers than a home with an uncaring and abusive father, right?" is no
From what ive learnt conservative parenting boils down to.
1) Men provide, not nurture.
2) Women nuture and stay at home.
Any deviation is seen as woke parenting.
That's how my upbringing was. It was pleasant
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 clearly there’s somthing wrong with you given your comments.
@@willasproth cry
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 there are tears pouring from my eyes.
@@willasproth good
I’ve come to see Dennis Prager as a grandfather type figure… Both my grandfathers died before I was born, so I never had a bloviating octogenarian in my life spouting ideas that hit the end of their shelf life in the 1800s. He fills a void in my emotional landscape.
🤣😂 You'll have to find another codger to tell you how soft you are because he had to walk (X) miles to school wearing nothing but (Y) and if he misbehaved, he was punished with (Z).
Aw, come on. Not every old person is a calcified asshole.
To shamelessly appropriate a heartfelt article by a man figuring out and living up to his fatherhood in order to put it as a throwaway example of how fathers are not valued anymore... man.
Dennis Prager, _you_ are the one not valuing fathers here.
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I was trying to word this but you've nailed it!
So often I just want to scream that them “you’re the ones who are doing blank!!” I don’t really like the generalisation that every conservative accusation is an admission because I find it a bit reductive but it’s so often true of their leaders.
I imagine Prager's father was also his uncle.
I know, it's just fucking appalling. I wonder if he simply didn't read it or was he just lying. I would put either behind him.
this may be a very unique experience, idk, but my father died shortly before i was born. as a kid, my mom was OBSESSED with giving me a father figure. the men she dated were abusive. i told her many times as a child that the one thing to make me feel "weird" about being fatherless was how people treated me strangely, or with pity for it. I sincerely believe that children dont NEED fathers or mothers- but they need stability. This stability is probably EASIER to reach with two parents.
tdlr; dont get so obsessed with whatever your idea of the perfect family is that you poison your kids. children need love, guidance, and support, not magical woman energy or dad aura.
heres a really fun edit:
learned on my 18th birthday that my mom lied to me about my father dying, and that shes been talking to him for years behind my back. suddenly her erratic mentally ill behaviour, mysterious name change, family members that dont talk to her anymore "for no reason" and friends who cut her off "for no reason" makes a lot more sense. i moved out and cut most contact with her
Your gut feeling is right; the condenses is that gender or combination of genders is far less important than stable, loving guardians (preferably more than one, as single parenting is very difficult even in the best of circumstances, but stable and loving is far more important).
Yeah that thing with people treating you strangely is real. My parents separately when I was around 10, and I stayed with my father while my mom moved to another country on the other side of the world, so many adults would constantly ask "where is your mother" and act weird about me not having a mom around anymore, when it really didn't bother me the slightest. We had a good dynamic with my dad.
Bro we had the same childhood,
She finally found a good man after several bad apples but I set them up as a 11 yr old with my best friends father so we could hang out more.
I grew up different for tolerating the bad apples on the way. I think I'm worse off for it.
I'm happy in my teens she found someone but it was a bit late for me
Children need
-stability
-love and support
-good role models for several genders, life situation, roles and so on..
Neither of them MUST come from the biological inhabitant of the parental role and neither of the first two are bound to one gender!
But, fatherless boys do worse.
Of course fathers are necessary. Without fathers, who would emotionally abuse me for the first 18 years of my life?
Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
That awkward moment when you realise that single mother households have higher rates of abuse than two parent households… ooops
@@yeahwhatever8774that disproves absolutely nothing? The fathers are (most of the time) leaving and this leaves the mother to completely rease a child on their own. This of course doesn't excuse abuse but it doesn't disprove anything the original commenter said. I'd also argue that almost nobody is saying that a single parent household is better than a two parent one
Exactly!
"Fathers provide a feeling of safety and reassurance," dear lord I nearly laughed myself to death with that one. I've met maybe one dad who DIDN'T belittle his children just for expressing themselves in benign ways
Maybe other fathers do idk, since I was 3 I constantly heard from my dad things like "you are stupid, you will never achieve anything"
So thanks for that reassurance
@@pancytryna9378 I'm sorry you went through it too. Mine went a little more creative and said stuff like "you just WANT to fail." 💀
@@talonhammer That's such bullshit. Some people really just should not become parents. At least not without a decade of therapy first.
Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
Though that is actually an argument to maybe roll back the mass incarceration in favor of greater social help, higher minimum wage, windfall profits taxes, subsidized or even nationalized healthcare, rent controls and other things that prevent people from landing in jail.
The most common way children in the US end up without a father is because the father is sent to jail.
The problem is some people just aren't cut out to be Dads but any man can become a father and I can almost guarantee a negative male role model is worse for a child than no male role model.
This is true of parents generally regardless of gender.
@@ryanmchenry6694 Yes, that's how parents work
I think that's because no male role model is virtually impossible, as even without biological father or even father figures early, there's still chances in the future. Negative male role model however may negate any chances for role models to influence in the future, some well even after their demise.
It's why I have PTSD now. 😅
Sadly, you would be right. My Grandfather who i never met died a heavy smoker and alcoholic who cheated on his wife and only dropped by to make more children. My Mom was part of 7 children and a French Canadian mom that didn't know English and needed government assistance. Her Dad was like a stranger. The family was wayward and disfuncional to say the least.
As someone who was raised by lesbians (and I think they did a great job), I would also say that mothers aren’t necessary (apart from maybe the milk during babyhood). If you have 2 loving father’s that do their best their child would also grow up just fine.
This. I don't understand why there's all this argument over whether fathers or mothers are important and how many there need to be, etc. Kids need environmental stability, and empathetic mentors. The form that takes isn't the important part.
Agreed. It doesn’t matter the gender of who’s raising you, children need stability. That can be achieved easier in two-parent households, regardless of gender.
@@ryanmchenry6694 Because conservatives looks to conserve gender roles so only the man could do things like provide for the family and give a feeling of safety.
I think there is so much around the roles of "fathers and mother*" and nobody has asked really how you are supposed to be a good "dad and mom" and sometimes that is hard. Especially in a world that will shame fathers acting against their roles and shame mothers for not being the sole providers of care.
Actually trying to be loving in a way outside of the norm gets scorn. It's sad
You can buy the milk at the store. And not to get into the whole argument about which is better, but it is demonstrably true that healthy children can be raised entirely on formula.
Good thing my kids have 2 dads. They're going to be stable, successful, and ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!
Slay
@@brook_angelagreed
the most fatherhood you can give, Prager would be proud
Clearly, they get double the safety and security! But do they also get double the dad jokes?
@@nataliaborys1554omg, that sounds like hell.
Jk, slay ♥️
You’re actually something of a mother figure to me, Shaun.
How is he a mother figure? He is not a female He can be your father figure
@@anthonycosta128 I’m just kidding.
You're something of a sheep figure to me Shaun
@@anthonycosta128whooooooosh
@@GespenstDesKommunismusGet back to your Prager flock.
They say how you talk to your children becomes their inner voice. Having grown up with an angry violent father, I can't tell you what a burden it is to constantly be fighting against negative & destructive self-criticisms my entire life. Yes I've had years of therapy which has helped but it's not a cure. Prevention is the cure. Bad fathers are definitely NOT necessary.
Hear, hear. I’m the same about my neglectful and overly critical mother.
@@kaitlyn__L my father is like a combo of all of these. A very neglectful, angry, and manipulative person. Often gaslights and nitpicks in little bite-sized pieces throughout the day, every day.
And even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
Nothing more clearly shows the weakness of their argument than the fact they have to blatantly lie about their opponents argument for theirs to hold any value.
And then use the arguments they made to defend their position
You mean like all those times leftist intellectuals need to play funny music on top of valid arguments?
Your worlds gets shitty, you break it, it get shittier, and you figure that it's because you didn't break it enough. There is, quite literally, no saving you.
...and also make up controversies and problems whole cloth to have something to shadowbox at, yes.
I mean since having a strong father figure is so great, wouldn't having two fathers be doubly good for development? Just seems like the natural progression.
I divorce my wife to wed as many other men as possible, guaranteeing my child has the development of an 18-year old by the time they're four.
@@setyourhandlex Parenthood any% run
Nothing manlier than two men.
Would be like giving an armless person two left arms on the same side
@@Halfort57 A strong point, polyamory is clearly the best choice of a marital structure for raising children using that logic.
Prager U: "But we live in a time which the obvious is routinely denied"
Also Prager U: **contests and denies the concept of and reality of climate change**
See, be the change you want to sell the solution to!
It’s less he contests and denies it, and more that he’s paid to ignore it and act like it’s overblown
@@courier6960 true
My socially conservative father would tell me that a good man will, upon losing a competition, shake the hand of the victor and congratulate them. I think this is a good attitude for anyone, man or woman. In the USA you have a former president who lost a competition and has spent every day since whining about it and claiming it was stolen. None of these advocates of strong masculinity and fatherhood ever seem to call out this former president for setting an appalling example as to how a good man (or woman) should behave.
Rather then going “well we lose, but we haven’t loss the war. We get them next time and win better!” You take the sore loser
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwidemate he's literally running for President again, he didn't go anywhere
The GOP hasn't yet figured out how to get rid of him and his ilk, somehow
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide the GOP are still promoting him as their number 1 guy, that's your side my friend
The election was actually stolen though.
"that's your side". "Side"... People who act and posture around politics like it's a sport are low tier brainlets. Grow. Up.
its always frustrating to engage with prageru critically because the level of strawmanning is unreal. theres no reason prageru should have a shadow of the merit it has, it feels like it should so obviously be seen as trashy comfort watching for conservatives
Oil money
@@fartface8918 oil money plus the audience don’t give a shit about actual facts. They want ammo to reinforce their reactionary ideology and that’s all it’s valued for.
Conservatives actually seek out people who will lie to them. If they’re accidentally told the truth, they’ll get mad and find someone else who will tell them what they want to hear.
For-profit "universities" should be a giant red flag to anyone.
@@Alltime2050 As seen recently with the revelation that Fox News never believed Trumps, "election was stolen" lie but only went along with it for ratings. As they feared losing their conservative audiences to other RWNJ "news" sites. Like OAN or Newsmax.
So my childhood bestie was subject of a custody agreement after his parents divorced.
Why'd they split?
His dad tried to suffocate him with a pillow after losing a board game to his kid.
And he still got 1 weekend a month whether my buddy wanted to go or not
Anyway the bastard died in a car crash when we were 14, and my bud gets in people's faces when they suggest within his earshot that All Kids Need Their Bio dad or they'll grow up fucked up.
I get the feeling that your friend and I would have such good discussions about why you don’t need your bio parents.
@@thequeenofcringe1585 wouldn't be surprised, lol
@@loorthedarkelf8353This seems so syrreal to me, how can he go from loosing a board game to suffocating his child? Also, how did he not get sued for that?
@@GespenstDesKommunismusuntreated anger issues
The kind of stuff the "alpha" community pretends is natural and expected, and the stuff Dennis would say isn't as big a problem as GASP single motherhood.
Kids need stability. Stability comes from good parents or guardians, regardless of who donated the genetics.
@@ShitkidOfJamrock I see that point, but the real question is: How did he not get persecuted for that? This is clear unprovoked violence, possibly attempted murder
I grew up in the 1980's and 1990's, while I was born in the 1970's. My dad was a monster, before my parent's divorce. He literally tortured my brother and I for his amusement. I have a few memories of him being a gentle, loving father, but more often, his cruelty is what I remember most. He was also a police officer, in a small town, so he was protected. As far as I'm concerned, Optimus Prime was a better father figure to me than my own father was. I learned more from watching tv about being a father, than I got from my own. I won't brag, but I feel like I'm 1,000 times better a father, than mine was to me. So yes, all father's aren't essential, but good ones go far.
Who needs a father when you have Transformers?
@timothymclean who better to look up to than a character who consistently put others ahead of himself. I learned that it was my duty to protect the weak, to stand for what's right, no matter the personal costs.
Having no dad is much better than having an abusive dad. My mom divorced my father when I was 6, and I think this was the best decision ever. I have PTSD because he tried to m**der (censored just in case yt comment filter sweeps this) in front of my eyes. I'm still traumatized by this and can remember it exactly in my head.
The man lives in a world where he needs to censor part of his own story.
The same man will claim this world he lives in, is the best iteration that could be.
I'm so sorry to hear that that happened to you and to her, I hope you and your mum are both doing okay
Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
Agreed. Completely. No father > bad father (or any family member, frankly). My father was also very abusive... in ways I cannot go into detail about because youtube will auto-hide my comment if I do. I will just say it was more than violence and took many years to get to the point where I can even bring it up without a panic attack.
@@KianaWolf I'm so sorry, stay safe
12:40 EXACTLY omg. whenever ppl say kids "need" a father it feels so slimy to me. i grew up with a stepdad and he was nothing. he was so useless as a parent that i cant remember a single conversation i had with him. when my mom divorced him i legit cheered. kids need support, but that support can come from anyone, gender is fucking irrelevant
I wouldn’t worry too much about those comment. I think it speaks to an obsession some people with the nuclear family structure. For example, grandparents/uncles/aunts can be great role models and caregivers but no one says “a child NEEDS their relatives to have more experiences and diverse influences. More adults is more love!”. It’s always about a mother or a father figure as being the be-all-end-all in terms of adults kids should have in their lives. There’s also the implication of gender essentialism where men and women are seen as profoundly and immutably different - that fathers provide something mothers can’t ever and vice versa.
@@trawrtster6097 exactly!!
Why your mother is a single mom?
@@anthonycosta128why are you so obsessed with single mothers dude
@@heat_death7 Because he had to live with a step dad 😂😂😂 no wonder why
Personally, I'm very in favor of traditional family values...
And by that I mean children being raised communally with strong social safety nets and multi-generational support systems.
WHY ARE THEY RAISING A CHILD WITH NO PROFIT INCENTIVE
Traditional families included not only mothers and fathers, but grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins, and other members of one's extended family, like godparents.
There are people out there that spontaneously combust, and run around the room screaming everytime they read something like that.
@@HolyknightVader999 And at least 5 chickens and a goat.
It is interesting if you look up the history of Scandinavia because they had extremely strong gender roles BECAUSE of the welfare state. They had a pseudo-wage for stay-at-home mothers, higher wages for caring jobs, large state support for children, well funded public schools, free daycares and so on.
They actually used the argument of gender equality for this. That men and woman were equal but different and that a woman should get the same compensation and benefits caring for a child as a man gets for working in a factory. Rather than saying woman should join men in the factories they translated the pay and work benefits of the factory onto woman within their traditional roles.
Scandinavia still has a fairly low number of woman in the workforce.
Americans need to be aware that the view of woman is THEIRS and not universal. The jobs that are female dominated are also very underpaid which is a deliberate choice of culture as it used to be the exact same way for black men.
I grew up without a father. He took his life a month after my eighth birthday.
I never had a male figure to look up to and got caught by right wingers who appeared to offer what i have been missing. Took me a while to realise that they only offer the facade of a father. I found other people i can look up to and i managed to become a real man.
This Video shows exactly how the right catches vulnerable young men and you did an excelent job poking holes in it.
glad to hear you found some guiding figures with substance to them beyond dollar signs or fear mongering. Big ups bro
❤️ ❤️
Much love & power man ✊🏾
And modern day single mothers (not widows) are also responsible for it
@@anthonycosta128 what are you talking about??
All I got from my father was complex trauma thats still with me in my 50s
I got a possible personality disorder, anger issues, C-PTSD and intense trust issues from my father.
And I didnt even get a keychain
Saaame
Same. Take care
I want MOMMY
I want MILK
I want to be HELD
I want to be COMFORTED
I want to be STEPPED ON
@@peterprime2140 P A U S E
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 I want to be PEGGED
I have a feeling this is Dennis’ Prager’s fetish.
Ma'am I think you have drastically misjudged the purpose of this Wendy's
I was raised by a single mother after my father died. the only time I genuinely felt a lack of some nebulous father concept was when people tried to force the “kids need a dad to develop fully” idea on either to me, my mum, or just in general. I tried to fathom what I was missing.
Other than that it’s just my normal. I was surrounded by solid people and have led an aggressively normal life which I’m thankful for. 🤷
Sorry for my english
That's rough, I feel for you. And your English is excellent.
Same here. Lost my bio father when I was 7, raised by my mom for the rest of my life, and I turned out fine. I’ve got some issues, but they’re not caused by the lack of a father. They’re just caused by alcoholism.
@@furiousapplesack
Thanks on all points here haha. 🤝
The funny part is, it was never rough, until others tried to imply it was, and then I got confused because I think I had one of the top 1% of happy childhoods haha. (I'm not coming at you as an individual with this comment, but at the mentalities I faced you're referencing).
@@thequeenofcringe1585 Best of luck to you! I too had other vices (heavy nicotine/snus) but that was caused by high pressure work, and I was able to quit it -- father free😱 Stay at it !
@@thequeenofcringe1585Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
you dragged me from the right thanks man
he's a liar
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 when?
@@brook_angel always, just like all breadtubers
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 "Always" is not a good answer. It specifies nothing, provides no actual arguments, and references no actual instances of lying.
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356”always just like all breadtubers”
Oh… so your past ideology conflicts with someone else’s logic. So instead of seeing your own flaws, you think 100% of everyone else is lying
Okay bud
'The first unusual thing about these five debaters is that there are seven of them...' I literally giggled out loud. Yours is the best pedantry on the internet!
Making the distinction between a father and a dad has always seemed pretty easy for me, likely because I have someone I consider a dad who isn’t my father, but everyone in my life that I’ve explained it to has understood pretty quickly.
My father left my mom with nothing when I was 9 and my brothers were 6 and 1, respectively. My mom, as badass as she is, had a hard time trying to work full time, go back to university (she dropped out to marry my father), and take care of us kids.
When I was 13, my mom decided to move us to another state to live with her sister and her sister’s husband, my aunt and uncle. My uncle has been more of a dad to me and my brothers than our father ever was. I have three parents who are the best I could ask for. It seems like Dennis just doesn’t want to accept any family dynamic beyond the nuclear family that he uses to push his rhetoric.
Love your videos Shaun! :)
Like a lot of people of his type, nuance doesn’t exist in his head. If society or some higher authority or power is instructing us to do it and it’s not working out for us, it’s our fault in some way whether it’s because non nuclear families are “doomed to fail” or we “didn’t try hard enough” to make it work. Also no empathy, because it’s their fault and always only their fault they don’t get help. They have to dig themselves out of the hole even if they didn’t dig it themselves
Funny enough, there are a number of ancient cultures that placed more emphasis on the maternal uncle than on the father when it came to their roles in a child's upbringing. One reason for this was these particular societies were often matrilineal (i.e. they prioritized the female line of succession) and one could always be certain that their maternal relatives were indeed relatives while the same wasn't the case for paternal relatives.
Prager makes the claim that all society believed that fathers are fundamental, which just isn't true. It's like when conservatives claim that all societies throughout history were patriarchal; it's not true either. History is far more varied, nuanced and complicated than conservatives like to believe is the case.
"non traditional" family structures are more "natural" than the nuclear family. for most of human history, it literally took a village to raise kids because we all depended on sharing the workload to survive. a couple of people watch all the kids while the rest of the tribe forages and hunts and whatnot. everyone was your mom and dad, in a sense. turning to others in times of need is the healthiest and most normal thing for a human to do, and the idealization of independence that conservatism sells is the death knell of happy and connected communities.
As my bones grew they did hurt
They hurt really bad
I tried hard to have a _father_
But instead I had a _dad_
I just want you to know that I
Don't hate you anymore
There is nothing I could say
That I haven't thought before
Serve the servants, oh no
That legendary divorce is such a bore
-Kurt Cobain, a bigger father figure and male role model than... actually most people.
In his sense though, he means his biologically dad never was much of a father figure in his life.
Seems it's the same to you but the meaning of terms is the opposite.
There's an old saying that "it takes a village to raise a child." That saying exists for a reason. The "nuclear family" is largely a 20th century social construct that belies the long history of communal and family-wide child rearing.
As someone with a child psych degree, I can tell you this is pretty settled through so many decades of research now. Kids do better with more loving involved adults in their lives, and it's best for that group to have some diversity. So, men and women and enbies, Queer and cishet. It's less important who is the biological parent vs other family--whether biological or chosen. Your kids need good role models both like themselves and different. But they do not need a "father and mother" in the traditional sense. Just FYI!
I'm from Germany and this is common knowledge for people who work with children here.
We even learn how to not become one of those role models ourselves, because that could hurt the development of children if we have to leave the work.
@@das8.kapitel260 Strange. I am from germany to and becoming a teacher, and in my university there is a lot of value and importance placed on becoming a role model, not on how to avoid becoming one.
Maybe it is state dependent? I study in BW (Baden-Württemberg)
@@amazinghorizon8270
I think the English language fails me here.
I don't mean role model as in "Vorbild" but more like "Bezugsperson". Maybe parentale figure would fit?
You are meant to lead by example (if you don't listen to Korczak, at least) not because the young ones see you as a parent.
But yeah the curriculum for social workers of any kind, could still be vastly different in the west and east parts.
I am in Berlin, so this could explain it further.
@@das8.kapitel260 „I don't mean role model as in "Vorbild" but more like "Bezugsperson".“
Still shouldn‘t you be both?
Especially as a social worker, you should be someone the Kids can trust and tell you what they think especially when they dont get that sort of security at home.
„You are meant to lead by example“
Isn‘t that the definition of role model?
„not because the young ones see you as a parent.“
Of course not, you have clearly a different role from the parents.
You don‘t raise the kids (like parents do/should do), you educate them and play with them.
@@amazinghorizon8270 Is there some kind of rule against speaking German on UA-cam comments? You guys are both German and bickering about how a particular German phrase translates into English. Why don't you guys just have the discussion in German. At this point, it's a translation issue.
PragerU: fatherhood is meaningful
other people: oh, kids with two dads will have great starts, then
PragerU: no, wait!
Checkmate Liberals!!!
Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
"if anyone in his audience takes the time to actually look at his sources..." oh shaun, you're overestimating PragerU fans yet again
PragerU viewers don’t come to lean, they come to get mad
@@pearsonm957 And that's the rub, isn't it? Even if you're conservative, if you're the type who would actually examine these 'sources' beyond just their headlines, you aren't the target audience.
Not everyone in Prager's audience is a fan. Exhibit A: Shaun watched the video he's commenting on.
Timothy McLean I think they meant intended audience/intended demographic. Shaun is technically not a part of that group (even though he did see the video).
@@KaiserHitoshi it's lowkey kinda evil genius of them. By being so blatantly wrong, they weed out the people who actually care about being critical and honest. Then all that remains are the people who are looking for some "haha libs r stoopid" junkfood.
I mean plenty of us had absent or semi-absent fathers and had to seek fatherly figures in our grandparents, community leaders and older siblings. And speaking for myself... these fatherly figures weren't always male.
"these fatherly figures weren't always male"
Then what makes them fatherly?
@@totokekedile Your relationship to them and the skills they give you.
At that point I think we need a better word that reflects the role these people have in our lives, rather than tying it to gender. But I can't really come up with a good description that captures that core relationship well.
@@Healermain15 "role model" probably does the trick
@@surgeland9084 If they aren't male and they have a parental role in your life, wouldn't that make them a mother figure?
It must be so much easier to be a conservative. When I make an argument and want to provide sources, I actually read my sources to make sure they actually support my arguments. It would be so much easier to make shit up and then just search for appealing-sounding headlines.
Yes, Dr. Bear. Turn conservative commentator and the corporate money - some of it dark - will come rolling in. Just pepper your screeds with words like socialism, crime, border, immigrants and the #1 trigger word: "woke."
You don't need a father. You need a *responsible adult* who is capable of caring for and loving the life they either bring into this world or who they decide to take on as their own, no matter the gender or number of said guardians.
The only thing my dad taught me was how to cry silently, ignoring screaming matches, and to grow up fast because any show of childish mistakes was met with anger and throwing objects, and many more severe traumas. He hurt more than help.
Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
No, you need a father. Lefties are so quick to say “meh trust the science, there’s no God cus science!!!!” Yet ignore the tonnes of social science when it’s comes to the negative consequences of fatherlessness in post industrial countries
Also, parental abuse and fatherlessness are two different subjects that can be addressed at different times. Even though if you were to do research you’d find out that child abuse is more common among single parent households than married two parent households
@yeahwhatever8774 yeah the consequences was a product of poverty. Not the presence of a man making things better through hetero gender magic
A child needs a loving parent. It doesn't matter what the gender, the amount (1 or 2 or whatever), and if they're biological or adopted.
More Parents are generally better than less, because more people have more time and more resources
@@herbertschulz4313
True
@@herbertschulz4313 I wonder if there are any studies on the benefits of polyamorous couples when it comes to parenting, I mean the more hands on deck the better right?
@@airplanes_aren.t_real i don't think there are any studies but my hypothesis is yes, polyamorous couples would have better parenting outcomes. someone should test that out
Ah yes, all these "traditional family roles" pricks are attacking literal orphans too. Like doesn't matter how much you value MUH TRADISHUNS, you don't mock widows and orphans. They're the first groups society protected since antiquity. This isn't conservatism they preach, this is just bigotry. Anyway to me alt right are all pinko commies since they love russia.
*sniff* nothing like a fresh Shaun video
So real
Is that you Zizek?
@@deeznoots6241 *P U R E I D E O L O G Y*
@@deeznoots6241 *zweating*
I think its comforting for his audience to hear that just being in the house where kids exist is somehow an accomplishment. You dont have to feel bad about being a detatched parent if just being there is worthy of praise.
Dennis is the kind of guy who gets outraged at Onion headlines.
I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring for a second about fathers and mothers.
My issue with this discussion has always come from people going on about fatherless homes, because they kinda fail to understand a large reason as to WHY those homes are so messed up a lot of the time. Usually, though not always, it's because the father abandoned the mother and the rest of the family. If the kid was around during the nasty or sudden end of that relationship, its gonna be messed up when the son or daughter or whoever else REALIZES that the father just up and abandoned the family. People often try to spin this to imply that fathers are needed, lest all boys grow up to be horrible, when that isnt really the case. It's more nuanced at the very least.
In reality, the father often brought home a source of income, which now forces the mother, who may or may not have a job already, to spend EVEN LESS time with the kids, on top of the added stress, both short-term and long-term, of processing for the kids to deal with. The mother cant be around as often, she can't hang out and enjoy life as often, and has to bust her chops more often just to make ends meet, and might even start getting snappy with the children if she allows the stress to consume her, which can further complicate the upbringing of the children therein.
The point I'm trying to make is that fatherless homes arent bad because "no father = horrible upbringing/boys are doomed to be terrible men", its because of the domino effect those awful fathers create a lot of the time, as well as similar variants of the same situation. It's insulting and even sexist to imply mothers cant raise their sons properly, and its also just demonstrably false. While I'm not the best example, since my father IS part of my life and in a good way, my mom was the one who did the primary rearing and teaching lessons that would often be associated with what a father usually teaches. I turned out fine, and many sons raised by their mothers exclusively turned out fine as well.
fr!! not to mention how this intersects with racism. so many conservatives will talk about fatherlessness in black neighbourhoods when so often this is due to overpolicing of those communities. like no wonder fatherlessness is an issue when black men are incarcerated at an insanely disproportional rate, for crimes white people simply don't get punished for
What's even more insulting is how oftenly these sexist know-it-alls ignore the great sacrifices that a lone mother has to do in order to raise children and proceed to blame her for ruined childhoods rather than of blaming the father, or at least balance some blame in both parents according to the specific situation.
Something similar happens with r4pe victims and the too frequent victim blaming in defense of the perpetrator, at least on the internet.
@@marcello7781 Oh absolutely, that part is also pretty brutally telling as well. Ugh...it's just so gross...
Its important to remember most fathers leave their wives and girlfriends for perfectly normal reasons such as falling out of love. We shouldn't force fatherhood on men, and sometimes young men in their teens, especially if they did not intend to become fathers. Keep in mind that to this day, many people in conservative communities are still not taught about safe sex.
The easiest way to prevent fatherless children is to raise men that see the value in being a father when a lot of media, society, and schooling usually show fathers as mean and as an obstacle. Ive seen it firsthand men abandoning children because they weren’t married to begin with, women who have children out of wedlock, etc. These kids always have problems that they have to work through as children and young adults. Its a deadbeat dad and deadbeat mom problem where the children are an afterthought and a consequence instead of a miracle and something that is conceived with love.
First, Three Arrows drops a video about PU and Iraq invasion apologia; then, Shaun drops a video about PU and fatherhood.
This is truly a blessed weekend.
@Not gonna lie Is that the new rickroll for you?
@@Nai-qk4vp just a stupid bot. I've reported it, not sure if it does anything but maybe you could try that too?
@@joanabug4479 done. Good plan. I didn't even watch the link but hot damn I detest spam bots.
Best combo
It is indeed blessed, all of this fuel to warm the echo chamber!
For a man who hates children, Dennis has been very vocal on the importance of fatherhood.
If fathers are so important to a child's development, I say each kid should get two
@@AshrafKhan-sd7sf so you agree with my plan that each child should have two fathers
If fathers are so important throughout human history, why have so many men been sent to war to die and kill other fathers? Not to mention having various levels of servants and slaves raise children on their behalf.
Shhh you’re thinking too hard for the dinosaur in a two piece to keep up
history is violent and men are physically stronger
Because sometimes wars are necessary even if they lead to losing a father. But I guarantee you that the families that didn't lose their fathers fared better than the ones that did.
That is a non-argument. You could literally twist it in any way you want to support any point. “If fathers good, why fathers in war?” is ridiculous.
The point is that sometimes fathers die and children don’t have them there while being raised. What do we do when this happens? The other parent/guardian copes. If fathers are so necessary then how would that be possible?
God that man is such an absolute charisma void. A total human Ambien.
My new Stand, [Human Ambien]!
@SinHurr what is its ability?
Making people fall asleep with boring speeches.
@@DD-kc6hg It manipulates time to make you feel like you’ve been there for hours when it’s actually been a few minutes.
Hi, former child of a father here.
I once bought into the rhetoric about a father being necessary for growth. It's why me, as a _literal child,_ was hellbent on trying to get my parents to talk it out.
Good ol' papa responds by buying the most expensive truck he can and fucking off.
And even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
@@anthonycosta128you keep posting this on unrelated comments, why?
@@mateusmachadomartinsjunior4309 This is definitely related because it is vice versa Oh did it hurt your feelings
@@anthonycosta128 not really, I was raised by an abusive mother so I share a similar opinion, of course children need good, responsible and caring adults as role-models no matter the gender, I just don't understand how this is related to the comment above.
@@anthonycosta128yeah... Okay... I now understand that these comments are charged. That sucks. We all agree with that statement.
Mother's may overall be more necessary, y'know, for the sake of being alive at all. When we have mechanical wombs that will be different lol.
It's just sad that you are looking at all of these people and assuming we all hold some brain dead point that abusive mothers are somehow a good thing. Like... What do you expect from us? What do you expect from me?
I lost my father to cancer when I was 8, spend a lot of years lost at sea so to speak. So I am thankful to now be guided by shaun, who I have considered a father figure for the past 6 years of my life. I am 31 years old
I saw the thumbnail and legitimately thought this video was about some 16th century italian philosopher named Prageru and his thoughts on fatherhood XD
When I got my family life badge in Boy Scouts (one of my last before eagle) I had to describe why mother and fathers were important.
I approached this beyond simple parental needs: any gender can meet a child’s emotional, material, and social needs. So I took the approach that a father can provide a healthy example of masculinity for a child, same for femininity with the mother. I expanded this by saying even if someone does not have a mother/father to fill that role, there are other people in the community who can fill those roles. In fact, a strong community of loving adults for a child, not just their mother and father, can offer many positive examples of masculinity and femininity for the child to learn from, which can counteract toxic or negative examples they may experience elsewhere.
It drives me crazy how people think that parents are the only socializing influence on a child's life. So many contribute in different ways. Sometimes grandma and grandpa take on a parental role because a single mother moved in with her parents to save money and to have help with looking after a child. Families are a very flexible concept, and what matters most is that a child lives in a fair society that helps insure that people have the means to survive and adults who act in their best interest if you want children to turn out alright.
In January of 2021 I met up with my grandparents for my 21st birthday (who I hadn’t seen in person for a while bc covid). My grandmother, grandfather, and I were sitting around the kitchen table eating and talking. Really it was just my grandmother and I talking and my grandfather turned away from us to watch Newsmax on the TV even though my grandmother made him mute it. While my grandmother and I are mid conversation he interrupts us, panicked and distraught, to cry that “they don’t want fathers anymore, they don’t think fathers are necessary!!!” Etc. It was… disturbing to say the least, to see the level of complete indoctrination due to nonstop propaganda consumption. He probably won’t be around much longer, and I hate that he’s going to leave this earth thinking the world has gone to shit. All to further the Republican political party’s agenda.
Thats really the saddest part... this media brainwashing just makes some of our elders live in absolute fear.
My dad (75) get mad at Fox New etc online sometimes but generally recognizes it as an unhealthy fixation. Hes very accidentally zen...
He is an observing node of the universe perceiving itself, and seems at peace with the idea of that self dissolving.
He's in a vulnerable position. All you can do is try to comfort him by trying to prove it wrong, as hard as that is.
Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
Cool to see a Shaun video so quickly after the last one. My favorite youtuber probably ❤
Not so fast.
This probably means the universe has collapsed into a singularity and what you are experiencing right now is a flash of brain activity in the instant preceding brain death.
Idk for sure. I’m just saying. Probably
🙃😝
probably
He made me read Terry Pratchett, and Monstrous Regiment is the biggest tomboy-fest I've seen (we need anime based on it), but for the life of me, I cannot watch the videos with debunking likes of Prager because I don't see taking this babushka with a toupée seriously. To me, PragerU is like a mix of Scientology and MLM aimed at 13 year old boys. And I am not a boy. So watching them, for me, is like someone black arguing to KKK meeting, pointless.
The concept of there being a distinction between a father and a dad isn’t difficult, Daddy’s Home literally says this in the opening minutes.
The only issue you might have is figuring out what distinction a given speaker is using. Is it between a sperm donor and a father figure, or between a stern father figure and a loving one, or between a responsible father and someone who's just there, or-the list of possible Father/Dad dichotomies is as broad as the concept of fatherhood.
Of course, you can figure out what any halfway-decent writer is talking about by just reading what they say about fathers and dads. But that requires reading more than a headline.
Holy fuck I misclicked this video and I couldn’t see what channel it was by. That split of panic expecting Dennis followed by immense relief when greeted by your voice instead, swear to god i almost had a heart attack.
That would've messed up your recommended videos for ever.
Your delivery of the line "it's multiple battling points of view how exciting" at 1:26 is just so excellent
And even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
You know your note about the conservative persecution complex reminded me of a funny bit of dramatic irony. A lot of the conservative sphere love to rag on POC and oppressed groups for "victim mentality" and "constantly looking to be offended." Which I think is just *chef's kiss* coming from the wing of society who invented the War on Christmas ™️ and the entirety of the God's Not Dead film franchise.
Projection is the strongest tool of the right
Hilariously, "Why is water necessary?" and "Why is air necessary?" are two of the most necessary questions we humans have ever asked. I mean, assuming you're a fan of medicine and stuff.
That's true lol
Even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
“If he could give dozens of examples, then why did he pick these three bad one”?
I love how Shaun’s normal voice which is far more respectful than many other UA-camrs is hilariously patronising at the same time.
From my experience I could make a pithy argument about mothers not being necessary, but it's all the same thing in the end; good parents are good, bad parents are bad, two people have more time and income than one person
Thanks Shaun. My father was a fine roll model. He served in the Royal Navy as a Petty Officer. He continued as a Naval reservist. He studied at night school to become an accountant. He also took business studies which set him up with a career in Management. He was not racist. He employed people based on merit, not skin colour. Meanwhile my mates' dads were hard working Blue Collar fellahs. They loved to spend their evenings in working men's clubs and loved the comedy of Bernard Manning et al. They attended church and never spared the rod. Yes indeed, fathers are important, but they can also leave a lasting impression on their children which can be less that satisfactory. FU PU.
Let me put this in fatherese for anyone who has trouble understanding this. One of my father's favorite lessons for me when I was a kid was teaching about the difference between needs and wants. For instance, we WANT good fathers, but we don't NEED fathers. (Thankfully, my father was and still is a good father :) )
And even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
"Oh hes your father
But he aint your daddy"
-yondu
When i was in highschool i didn't know what prager U was, I thought it was an actual university. So i used it as a source for one of my essays. This fact still haunts me to this day.
I like to think of Shaun as a dad to us all.
I demand a "Something of a father figure" Patreon tier
How to use evidence for your conservative claims:
Step 1: find an article with an eyecatching/provocative title
Step2: don't read it
Step3: take it's title at face value and assume it to mean the worst possible thing
Shaun: You know, I'm something of a father figure myself.
as someone raised by 2 moms i can verify any kind of parents can make good ones
In my case my Father was necessary. My Mother was an abusive monster and without his love and guidance I would not have made it. Everything I have seen shows that a two parent house where both parents love each other and the children is best. However an unloving abusive parent no matter the sex does far more harm than good. So there are definitely Mothers who the best thing they could do for their children is get them as far from their father as possible.
I think children need stability and love, regardless of where that comes from.
You did way more analysis into this than any PragerU viewer actually would.
It's always a good day when it's PragerU videos demolition day. Two days ago it was Three Arrows and today it's Shaun.
1. Imagine a problem
2. Get upset
"Pretty sloppy work from Denis there".
Au contraire. Misrepresentation was his intention and he misrepresented that article perfectly.
11:00 Another reason for this observation could also be, that there is a correlation between income and likelyhood of beeing a single parent. If the percentage of single parents is higher amongst low income families, it is reasonable to assume that this by extent also means, that the children who grew up without a dad are more likely to live in poverty or commit crimes, because more of them are in low income families, than there are in high income families.
You could also compare children raised by single mothers to ones raised by single fathers.
I feel like that wouldn't really answer the question being posed. The platonic nuclear family has both a mother and a father, and conservatives argue a child needs both. If children of single mothers have the same problem as children of single fathers, the argument would immediately be made that this is because deviating from the nuclear family is _always_ bad.
But in a vacuum, I do think that that would be an interesting addition to the study. And also kids raised by two dads. And maybe orphans, just to cover all our bases? (Well, aside from non-nuclear family arrangements. Hm.)
Idk if there are studies, but common sense should say that single fathers raise better children as men in general have access to more resources than women
One thing that makes this hard to compare is that single fathers are on average significantly more wealthy than single mothers. This isn't just because of economic discrimination against women, but also that low-income fathers tend not to have the resources to fight for custody in court, and so in divorces fathers winning custody is pretty much exclusively a middle class and up thing.
Courts are much more likely to award custody to the mother, but this is actually only true because fathers are much less likely to contest custody. When fathers do fight for custody, meaning they have both the resources and the inclination to do so, they are more likely to win.
Also, I haven't seen data on my next claim, but my suspicion is that grandmothers raising kids in the case of one parent dying is far more common with lower income fathers as the surviving parent.
One final important factor overall. Our society is far more judgmental against women who abandon their kids than men. So single fathers are self-selecting for fathers who really want to be fathers, fathers who don't want to parent will walk away from the kids, while mothers who are less-keen to be parents will be more likely to do the work of mothering anyway. Or put another way, men are less likely to be stuck with kids they don't really want than women.
This doesn't compare the same way unfortunately. Vast majority of the time when mothers become single mothers, it's not out of choice, it's often when they're very young, and they end up pressured into the situation. There are way more single mothers than single fathers as a result. Women are also more likely to be in a situation where they are a housewife, and then end up single when the man leaves, leaving them with little money or resources to care for the children anymore. On the other hand, single fathers are more likely choose fatherhood, there is usually a reason they fight for the primary custody and win it over the kids, or alternatively they become single fathers later into the child's life (for example, if the mother dies) and therefore, have it a bit easier as the most difficult early stages are over, and they are also way less likely to have been placed in a situation where they have no income when they become single. So as a result, these two groups end up where they do for different reasons.
@@timothymclean It would be an interesting study to do.
Also consider that couples who adopt like LGBTQ+ couples often times genuinely want children (especially as people, not as babies who they treat like pets) are *actively planning* on having kids where that is often times only a luxury most wealthier (and often white) heterosexual couples have. They’ll have more time, resources and money than a heterosexual couple who had an unplanned pregnancy would, even if they stay together.
Disclaimer: obviously not always the case (especially for every possible group, and demographic pairing). LGBTQ+ couples might have to adopt without wanting or planning for a child (maybe their sister died and left behind a child); maybe a single woman receives a sperm donation and raises it herself in a loving and rich home. Still, those who want and actively plan are usually going to be people who will be the best parents regardless of funding though it certainly help. And people can ge bad parents regardless of identity.
Disclaimer II: Sucks but I need to disclaim that, yes, people also have unplanned children due to lack of access to abortion. I would think it would be implied but I’ll cover all my bases here.
"Socialism is based" -PragerU
Old man argues with cloud, loses.
3 arrows and Shaun on one weekend? Must be Christmas
Can't be, there's no war going on.
It wasn't a mistake, Dennis knows his audience doesn't read.
Dennis Prager overreacting to and misreading headlines is a very boomer thing
And even having no mother is also better than having an abusive or bad mother
I just realized that the skull has the glasses taped on its sides because without ears they would fall.
He’s baack! 💀💀💀We missed you Shaun the Skull and we’re happy that you’re posting a little more consistently ❤
Thank you for this Shaun-you've always been like a father to me!
I agree, Shaun has always been a father figure to me, specifically a figure shaped like a skull.
(Watch his twitch btw, he's fun on there.)
In childhood development, the most important thing is a stable home with supportive parents (ie. ones who let their child learn and grow as they go). Having an insecure parent creates a chaotic atmosphere, which hampers development, but can also negatively affect a child long term (eg. modelling an abusive relationship, the child grows up think that is normal, and often the kid will grow up to be be abused by their romantic partner because abusive relationships are normal to them. More rarely, a child in that situation can grow up to abuse others themselves, but they are more likely to be a victim).
I happened to grow up in one of those homes. And I can say, I really do wish my father had realised how bad he was fucking up and changed back then (it's not like people, including his own mother, weren't telling him; they were. Sometimes loudly, sometimes threatening to report him to people with state powers to remove him from us). But he didn't, and now he wonders why as an adult, I have gone no contact with him (my therapist recommended it, saying that sometimes you cannot salvage relationships, especially if there is a power imbalance, and it's better to protect yourself than the feelings of another person who harms you without thinking). I wish he hadn't fucked up. I wish he had been a good parent like people imagine when they think of a father, but I got what I got. And I wish he had removed himself from the picture (ie. left) rather than stay around to make me think blowing hot and cold like that was normal. I wouldn't have PTSD from a violent ex-partner if he had not treated my mother like that. And I get it was because he had his own issues. But taking those out on your child (and partner)... it's sickening. It's also really hard to learn to parent yorself both as a child and an adult in therapy to heal the wounds from an adultified childhood.
Shaun: “Hello everyone.”
Me: *”HI SHAUN! :D”*