sammy eagle. It was because of the tension between her and her mother. He heard her mom complaining about her doing something that she already knows she doesn't like. He knew she was being annoying on purpose and so he caught it.
travis b. They meant that "the unsinkable" Molly Brown (an actual historical figure) was there to "defend" Rose in doing what she feels like doing without her fiancé telling her no about anything, or guiding her decisions for her. The mother told her no also, but Molly sees it differently if the mom says it as opposed to her fiancé. Molly asks Cal if he's also going to cut her meat for her so that it's easier for her to eat it (blatant sarcasm) because she doesn't like that he jumps in to guide her decisions, and/or makes decisions FOR HER. Molly is from a different social class than they are, which is an indication of that in this scene (her husband struck riches in oil, "new money") and she thinks Rose should be independent for herself, as Molly is (for a woman of her time). Molly thinks Cal is treating Rose like a child, and so she interferes with her opinion about that (just as Cal did at Rose and her mother, but Cal's bit of sarcasm was used directly at his fiancé Rose when he called her "sweet pea" because he thought she was being difficult, and she is his fiancé). I don't think Cal would share his opinion on matters like that wiyh another beyond just his fiancé because it's considered "bad etiquette." Nobody said in their comment or in the movie that smoking is a good or a bad thing to do (assuming you're talking at the op, not me though). Back in those days they wouldn't have known that about smoking, or cared (without the surgeon general's warning), so I doubt she would be complaining about her doing that for that reason. It was actually quite widely accepted and even encouraged IN THAT ERA (of any social standing, even the upper society socialite ladies with their pretty cigarette holders).
Fun fact: Molly Brown was born into a DIRT POOR family and they constantly faced poverty. That all changed when her husband struck gold in the coal mines and she became a 1st Class woman. I visited her mansion in Colorado and it was amazing. She became filthy rich but kept her 3rd Class heart. That’s why she’s depicted as so down to earth, laidback, outspoken, and casual. Kathy Bates truly embodied her perfectly ❤️
@@leonardodicaprio6757 well a big part of Rose character is that she is rebel and don't want to be a little good girl... On the deleted scene rose said that she don't like be there with all that rich people and Jack mention that she born on the wrong place because she don't fit with the rich people
I've watched Titanic my whole life but now watching it as an adult, I understand how powerful this scene is. Molly was the only one who was real that table, who saw the injustice and stuck up for her. She wasn't afraid of anyone or to say what's on her mind.
She ain’t like the real Molly Brown tho. She threatened to throw that guy in the lifeboat overboard instead of chickening out like she did in this movie
T. Aye. I interpreted it differently from most of you. I saw it as him ordering the dish that he knows she likes because she was addressed to and corrected by her mother to not do something she was doing at the table. He noticed the tension going on between them. So, he made her a quick negotiation swap of her favorite dish for the cigarette that he just removed from her mouth, per her mother's request. And, then he made it clear to her what he was doing by stating clearly that she likes that plate of food that he ordered for her as an attempt to abruptly clear up that scene before it escalated. He did that so that it doesn't end up a big fuss or as dragged on spite toward her mother so that they can continue on with whatever conversation was going on before their little interruption. This way he made both the mother and his fiancé content from annoying and dissatisfying each other. When he says "sweet pea" (underhanded sarcasm) to her it means that he's not trying to tell her "I'm siding with your mom and we both say you can't do that, so stop," but that he's saying he's trying to make her happy without dissatisfying her mother while she is in their presence without them causing a ruckus to the occasion over what she can or can't do.
@@aa-jm7js no it's to show how her mother and cal treated her as a child(yes she is 17 but old enough to marry according them). Her mother chastised rose for smoking pointing out how SHE doesn't like it and then have it away by cal. Its how parents react to a child who isn't listening. It's condescending. He's ordering her food without asking her or letting her do it herself. He then asks her afterwards just to make sure because even tho they are about to marry he has no idea of any of her likes and dislikes and again it was condescending. Which is why Molly Brown made the cutting up her food comment.
SB W. Yes, I've seen the Titanic movie before. I have even seen the actual heart shaped necklace that's in the movie up close in person before. Which part of the movie are you referencing to in your question to me about me seeing the movie?
I think that Molly was one of the most caring and understanding characters. She’s like that one aunty who you can speak about anything to her. She could sense Rose’s frustration through that fake sarcastic smile, and knows that she’s a strong woman who can fight, rather than a delicate model who must be controlled. She knew that Cal was a dickhead, and that Jack was right for Rose. Molly defended Jack a lot, and told him everything that he needed to know. She’s amazing. I love her.
She and her husband had a very amicable separation, as he simply hated to travel. Despite her lack of a higher education, Molly had a slew of intellectual interests, and even learned two or three foreign languages. As she and her husband were devout Catholics, they agreed to live apart but never divorce. Molly died in New York in the 1930s, and when that happened, to honor her will, the body of her husband (who had pre-deceased her) was brought to Long Island, and buried alongside hers in Holyrood Cemetery in the town of Westbury. I actually live not too far from there, and have seen the grave.
It's interesting that Molly rolled her eyes when Cal snubbed the cigarette, but was not bothered at all by Rose's rude behaviour towards her mother. Blowing smoke in anyone's face, when they have clearly told you that they don't like it, is extremely rude. Furthermore, the health repercussion due to secondhand smoking is a really serious matter...
Jack was homeless. If you are a mom or dad you would be happy to see your daughter with some homeless POS who has no qualms about trying to steal an engaged women. In real life you would not and if you say otherwise you are a liar
@@travisboutilier2220lmao you did not watch the movie and it's obvious. Even if you did, you did not pay attention to and comprehend (old)Rose's narration.
Molly had F. U. money. It was hers to control. Rose and her mother had no money of their own like most women of the day. The only thing they had to offer was obedience, good looks, and a family name.
@@victoria-ur4kz She was being sarcastic. First Cal puts out her cigarette and then orders her meal for her. Molly was having a dig at Cal for being so controlling by saying "You might as well help her eat too"
For those criticizing Rose's behavior. I would agree that Rose is not perfect. I don't think any of the characters in this movie are. This is the reason the movie feels realistic and timeless. However, Rose's character is much more than a stubborn rebellious teen that does not want to listen to her mother or Cal. If we recall the broader context of the movie, Ruth treats Jack like he's worthless scum when he dines with them in first class. Without knowing him really, just because he is poor. When the ship is sinking Rose tells Ruth to stop being a snob, that "half the people in this ship are going to die," to which Cal replies, "not the better half." Obviously, Rose's disdain for Ruth and Cal does not just come from the fact that they want to control her life, but that really, they're kind of awful human beings. Rose treats Mr. Andrews, Molly, Jack, and even Jack's friends from third class with a lot more respect than she does Ruth and Cal. When she apparently goes to heaven in Titanic to join Jack (or has a dream) as an old woman, notice that only those who were kind are present, including her maid Trudy and Jack's friends Fabrizio and Tommy. Ruth, Cal, Ismay, and the other cowardly snobs aren't there. The moral? A mother or a fiance (or anyone really) does not deserve love and respect merely because they are family. They deserve love and respect because they deserve it as a quality human beings. One of the most satisfying parts of this movie is that Rose was able to escape the toxicity and hell that would have been her life. In part thanks to Jack. That is why she never forgot him. In her own words, "he saved me in all the ways a person can be saved."
This implies that rose who cheated on her fiance deserved a "heaven" while cal and her mom did not. Its awful as a fiance to cheat on your future husband. that's emotional torture you inflict on your partner. she has her lover pain a naked picture with her wearing the very expensive diamond he gave her (albeit to "buy" her love) and then leaves that picture for her fiance to discover. Rose is a good person? Your sadly mistaken in this world for what's a good person. Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone.
@@nassauguy48 Except for his age. The real Thomas Andrews was 39 years old when he died in the Titanic disaster. Victor Garber was almost 50 when he began filming Titanic.
This scene speaks so much. Just from the Rose blowing smoke in her mother's face to Cal ordering her food while Molly is just sitting there observing and glaring because she knows Rose doesn't even want to be there. So just defending her probably meant a lot to Rose.
@@martinnoyes8507 It is a slight anachronism; Rose's character almost seems to be based on the flapper's of the 20's, who did adopt such scandalous activities such as smoking in public. In truth, at this time both genders did smoke (the cigarette holder we see Rose use here specifically meant not to stain women smokers fingers)- but it was a very private activity; mostly because even then, people hated the smell. Men had their smoking rooms, specifically decorated with lots of curtains and carpets to soak up the smell and keep it from the rest of the household, and women tended to smoke outdoors or in their own private galleries alone. Even in like, 1960, lighting up a cigarette in the midst of a public meal would've been seen as tacky at best, downright rude at worst, even among a table of smokers.
It was very rude and disrespectful of rose to blow smoke in her mothers face, Cal was just doing what a gentleman of the time did and it was rude of molly to look at Cal like that.
I always felt so sorry for Rose, here. Her every moment is so tightly controlled from what she wears, where she goes, what she says, who she associates with, what she can eat, to even what she's allowed to think and whether she's allowed to stand or sit. That petty little moment when she blew smoke in her mother's face showcases the tiny little rebellions and brief moments of spite that are the only bits of freedom and personality she's ever been able to have. There are so many of these little flashes of pettiness from her over the course of the movie that you get the feeling they're all that's keeping her sane. When it became clear that Call wasn't even going to allow her to have those is when she despaired enough to try and kill herself.
@@mrtony80 Yes. Like I mentioned before, Rose is absolutely petty but that is her letting off steam in a very restrictive and abusive environment so she doesn't break. The moment Cal stopped that outlet is the moment in the show she tried to kill herself. Both her mother and Cal are controlling and abusive.
@@meganswett7601 Exactly, yet Rose was meant for Jack.. She showed Jack a thing or two. I wanted to be Caledon, if I knew Rose was for Jack, I'd rub my hands on Ruth's bottom, letting her know, if Rose don't have me, I'll consider you darling! :) Ruth, was desperate, and wanted the money..
That's Cathy Bates. She was way better in Misery and Dolores Claiborne (course was the lead in both). But she's a great actor. She won an Oscar for Misery, although I think her performance in Dolores Claiborne was better.
The interesting thing about Cathy Bates is how much she resembles the real Unsinkable Molly Brown! Molly Brown was a force to be reckoned with in her own right. Well cast!
I just love how Rose blows smoke right in Ruth's face. Hahaha! So savage! And I love the eyeliner that Cal's actor wore. Really shows off his role as the villain of the film!
Billy Zane portrayed Cal....he was also in the movie Tombstone...he was part of the theater company...and helped Josephine get out of the carriage when they first arrived in Tombstone 🙂
Billy Zane got the 'thankless role' part in "Titanic". He is too good of an actor to be stuck playing such a 'one note' character. For all of the attention to detail that James Cameron put into this movie, my elderly mother summed it up best while we were driving home. "On that real ship, you just know that none of the events that you saw with Jack and Rose had even an infinitesimal chance of happening in reality". She was so correct.
I really like Molly for numerous reasons: she’s the only one to defend Rose and see how unhappy she really is, she helps Jack and gives him a suit for the dinner with Rose’s mother and, near the end when they were on a lifeboat, she was the only one who wanted to go back and save other people.
Rose: "Do you know of Dr. Freud? His ideas about the male preoccupation with size might be of particular interest to you, Mr. Ismay." Ismay: ...? Andrews: *lol*
veronicamamiful Go look up the definition of “narcissist”. Also, thank god for marriage, not divorce, because divorce would be frowned upon by him if he actually existed.
Jimmy Mackinnon I have read a lot about narcissism. I had to in order to understand the abuse that I endured. I was married for 17 yrs. marriage is beautiful and a good thing, if you have the right person. But with some people you can't do anything right with. I'm not against marriage. I'm against an abusive marriage. I had to divorce. I hope you can understand.
veronicamamiful Actually I agree with everything that you have just said. Sorry you had to go through that. Now that I think of it, perhaps he thinks that only his opinion matters and not hers and that is narcissism? That would make sense.
I love that excellently attention to detail at 0:49 as Rose is only putting on a smile to avoid upsetting Cal. Rose obviously hates having her life played for her but she is forbidden to defy her husband to be and she eventually grows a backbone and stands up to herself once she is in love with Jack.
That was nice of her to not want to upset Cal. well too bad, that's how the life of a first class lady is and should never defy her intended and it was disrespectful of rose to stand up and she can't be in love with jack
I’m still not going to forget the way Molly spoke to Rose on their lifeboats, she convinced Rose in a nice way, like an aunty to her, while the mother was just demanding Rose to get in the boat.
@loveutill theendoftimes nah after i watched titanic for the first time 1000 years ago i fell in love with her. Everything about her was beautiful. I looked up the actor, Kate Winslet. Made some research and was disappointed. Today i am glad about it. She turned my head around back then, could not sleep.
Rose blows smoke into Ruth’s face. Her message was essentially: “you obviously don’t care about my feelings so why in the world should I care about your selfish feelings?”.
molly was the only one that seen through cal and knew rose wasn’t happy. molly could see that jack and rose loved eachother and you can prove that by all the things she did for jack, speaking good of him to roses mother, lending him the suit, and tells him how to act in the dinner. she was really a good person
I really like Molly in this movie. She had guts and wasn’t afraid to tell someone what they think. I think my favorite scene in the movie for Molly is where she is trying to get the rowboat to go back and pick up the other survivors that were in the ocean after Titanic went into the sea. All she wanted was for the boats to move the people over because Molly knew that more people could fit in the boat, but the ship officer wouldn’t go and told her to go and sit down. More people would have been saved, but..... oh well we all saw what happened. 🚢⛰😠😠
Let be honest, Molly and Tommy represented the viewers. They both did what we wanted to do and never missed. I just wish Tommy and Cal had a scene together where they spoke to each other. Words would have been said and maybe hands would have gone flying and I would have been 100% there for it. Anybody else agree?
They got pretty close to it when William Murdoch threw the money back at Cal at the lifeboat, they were right next to each other! But yes that would've been interesting.
Who's like me? When i watch this movie as a kid, i thought Molly was really a toxic woman who people don't like hanging around. Because the way Rose mother treat her is really look like that at the time. Now as an adult, i realize she is the one who is smart around the actual toxic person, Rose mother. I love this kind of detail in a film. In reality, there's still a lot of people out there who like to befriend with a toxic person like Rose mother, and seen them as smart. But the actual smart person like Molly is being seen as weird, arrogant, creep, loner and being excluded and ostracized by people.
It’s great how Molly gives Cal a subtle burn - enough to signal to Rose that her feelings of discomfort are valid - but says it in a lighthearted way that a small-minded, snobbish guy like Cal could easily misinterpret as a meaningless joke and, thus, not have a big offended reaction. Well done, Molly.
Every time I see Kathy Bates on screen I can't stop thinking of her busting up James Caan's ankles in the movie MISERY. Man she was one wack job in that movie.
Yea, that was a pretty good King book that translated onto the screen very well. I think maybe because the story was cut & dry with limited characters so it worked.
Well they were both gaining from each other. Rose and her mother had no money cause Rose's father gambled away the money and left bad debts. Fortunately for them nobody in their society knew they did not have money. They were living an illusion and using their name to level up and maintain their status. Rose and her mother come from old money, which was important for someone like Cal who is second generation new money. Old money carries higher respect, better opportunities and also easy wealth cause people know your name. Cal saw Rose not only as a prize trophy wife but also easy access for his legacy as a rich tycoon. Her last name will help Cal's stauts among the rich elite. Rose saw through this but the mother wanted it more then her cause the mother wanted to keep her glamorous lifestyle.
The fake smile Rose gives to Cal when Cal said after ordering her meal on her behalf; 'You like lamb right sweet pea?' and of course, when Molly Brown went to Cal; 'You going to cut her meat too Cal' sarcasm at its best😂😂😂😂😂
i can't even wrap my head around how women must've felt being controlled by men like Cal and still go through up 'til now. WOMEN, YOU ARE STRONG AND BEAUTIFUL. never let an illietrate man tells you what to and what not do.
That is what the times were like back in the 19th century and early 20th century a man's world. In fact, even through terrible and unnecessary, it took two World Wars to change society perception of women. Here, Molly Brown, who was a strong, independent woman even before wealth, won't let a man control her, in fact, would probably take a squad of guys in their prime.
I always laugh very hard when rose mother say: “You know I don’t like that Rose” and Rose blows the smoke in her mother's face. For some reason this is hilarious 😂
Am i the only one who just loved Molly?!! She was able to read between the lines and see how Rose was being treated by Cal! Strong feminine woman backing up another woman who wants her freedom
On Titanic, Luncheon was served in the first class dining saloon on D Deck, or in the first class restaurant or Cafe Parisen - a full luncheon menu would not have been available in the Palm Court, where the characters ate here. Small light food such as sandwiches, cakes, tea and coffee yes, but not a proper sit down lunch.
Lol Rose is a savage she blew smoke right in her moms face. I also love Molly she has an amazing heart and was the only person who really stood up for Rose
molly is the only sane one in that rich crowd. she could see through rose eyes that she isn't happy even if rose fake smiled. rose looked happier and less depressed when she met jack.
Yeah-- for all that people slate the love story, humour is a big part of romance, and Rose evidently had a lot of fun with Jack in such a short period of time. They spent an entire day together and they clearly bonded at an emotional level.
I recall reading that smoking was not considered socially acceptable for women until the 1920s (the flappers era). I think everyone at that table would've been staring at Rose with deep frowns upon seeing her smoking a cigarette.
It wasn't socially acceptable indeed and that's why Ruth doesn't like it but I think they had started showing some tolerance to it. I mean they didn't like it but probably up to that point women had began taking this kind of habits so it wasn't really possible for every woman seen smoking to be stopped so men were "pretending not to see" in certain occasions especially in upper classes. They didn't like it of course and most certainly a woman of the upper class smoking would cause some comments later on behind her back.
I'm not so sure about the socially acceptable thing. The Tsar of Russia allowed his four daughters to smoke because it was thought to be healthy. Anastasia thanked him in a letter for a cigarette he sent her. Probably more it wasn't acceptable in formal public settings.
That first scene PERFECTLY reflects the relationship between Rose and her mother! After being politely chided about her smoking habit, Rose delivers the ultimate F$&K YOU response, 1912 style! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@travisboutilier2220 One of those high-end words basically meaning “to fill with anxiety or stress”. Something like that. Rose did make it clear she hated her mother.
Honestly though. Lamb is quite delicious. I also met Zane years ago and had a conversation on a Chrismas night. He was nice guy to talk to. Complimented his character, he is bald these days.
I wish I could have someone in my life to love me like Rose & Jack. They both have Oscars now Kate & Leo and I am so happy for them. Kate Winslet deserved it for The Reader. I hope she wins another one.
They portrayed Molly very well in this movie. A confident woman not afraid to speak her mind, even if it meant traveling the atlantic in the dark to rescue people
In fact, the real Molly Brown had a very strong personality. She separated from her husband, Jim due to him not liking to travel, not lost love, and that they separated on fair good terms, meaning Molly had her own money but wealth was not everything to Molly Brown even before riches she was a social activist and during the lifeboat actually threatened to throw overboard the sailor in charge if he didn't stop scaring the people on board or if he didn't go back for more survivors.
Yes..I watched the movie as well. But, while it's clear that Rose resents her mother for pushing it on her, I think Rose must have said "yes" to Cal at some point in some form. I think it was more of a situation where Rose FELT forced into the engagement.
I would loooooooooooooooove to do that to someone, but the problem is, I don't smoke, nor would I want to! Smoking is dangerous, and even worse is having to breathe it in from someone else's smoke! And, smoking can cause global air pollution!
This scene was absolutely crucial to the movie because it showed just how rebellious Rose was and how much she hated being apart of the first class lifestyle. “Outwardly, I was everything that a well brought up girl should be, inside I was screaming”. Remember that women were prohibited from smoking and drinking in public during this era. The third class party was also incredibly crucial to the movie, as Rose hiked up her dress and showed her ankles, which was also a huge “no-no” to women in the Victorian era.
How can she hate being apart of the first class? it's luxurious and elegant. well they should, smoking and drinking are unladylike. how could she do that without any shame?
@@travisboutilier2220 I would guess because she was forced into that lifestyle without choosing it herself? The strict formalities and social expectations of high society is not for everyone.
@@travisboutilier2220Rose hated the lifestyle because she already knew at this point that money did not buy happiness. She was already being forced into marrying a man for money. She wanted to have the same type of lifestyle as Jack. She even said "Why can't I just be like you and head out for the horizon whenever I feel like it?" It is unfair to say that smoking and drinking is unladylike. It's sexist. Why was it acceptable for men to do it and not women? Rose was a feminist of her time. Doing whatever she pleased and not caring about who she offends. I loved her rebellious attitude towards the social norms of that time. Amazing.
@@jessicacampbell4142 she's just ungrateful and that's nonsense, money does buy happiness. well too bad, it's for the best. well she can't, she is first class and is expected to live a first class lifestyle. no it isn't, it's perfectly fair to say. it is not sexist. cause men are more disciplined with it. rose should be a proper lady. do what she's told and caring about offending others. i hate her rebellious behavior. terrible.
People are making a huge fuss down here in the comments as if telling your daughter not to smoke is a huge crime. It's basic manners to not smoke at others faces when you're dining.
Well, Rose does not come off much better in this scene than either Cal or Ruth. Lighting up at a dinner table? UH UH. What an invasion of other people's space.
I like how Molly glares at Cal when he puts out Rose's cigarette. Its like she's the only one there to defend her.
sammy eagle. It was because of the tension between her and her mother. He heard her mom complaining about her doing something that she already knows she doesn't like. He knew she was being annoying on purpose and so he caught it.
Why is that a good thing smoking causes cancer?
travis b. They meant that "the unsinkable" Molly Brown (an actual historical figure) was there to "defend" Rose in doing what she feels like doing without her fiancé telling her no about anything, or guiding her decisions for her. The mother told her no also, but Molly sees it differently if the mom says it as opposed to her fiancé. Molly asks Cal if he's also going to cut her meat for her so that it's easier for her to eat it (blatant sarcasm) because she doesn't like that he jumps in to guide her decisions, and/or makes decisions FOR HER. Molly is from a different social class than they are, which is an indication of that in this scene (her husband struck riches in oil, "new money") and she thinks Rose should be independent for herself, as Molly is (for a woman of her time). Molly thinks Cal is treating Rose like a child, and so she interferes with her opinion about that (just as Cal did at Rose and her mother, but Cal's bit of sarcasm was used directly at his fiancé Rose when he called her "sweet pea" because he thought she was being difficult, and she is his fiancé). I don't think Cal would share his opinion on matters like that wiyh another beyond just his fiancé because it's considered "bad etiquette."
Nobody said in their comment or in the movie that smoking is a good or a bad thing to do (assuming you're talking at the op, not me though). Back in those days they wouldn't have known that about smoking, or cared (without the surgeon general's warning), so I doubt she would be complaining about her doing that for that reason. It was actually quite widely accepted and even encouraged IN THAT ERA (of any social standing, even the upper society socialite ladies with their pretty cigarette holders).
J J BROWN WAS RICH FROM MINING NOT OIL
chuck s. Are you nitpicking after all that info. that you probably didn't even know in the first place?
Molly Brown: 50% Sweetheart, 50% Savage
Brett F. She reminds me of my mom so much. She looks like her too lol
No Name yes
That's the best combination!
100% awesome!
Best way to be, be sweet & polite, but take no fools crap
Fun fact: Molly Brown was born into a DIRT POOR family and they constantly faced poverty. That all changed when her husband struck gold in the coal mines and she became a 1st Class woman. I visited her mansion in Colorado and it was amazing. She became filthy rich but kept her 3rd Class heart. That’s why she’s depicted as so down to earth, laidback, outspoken, and casual. Kathy Bates truly embodied her perfectly ❤️
Yep that's why they called her newnmoney
that’s so sweet
@Bropatlibeledsiskelleyleigha what in the mommy issues was this whole comment
Kathy Bates does a terrific job ❤
@@Alagueesia She was the perfect embodiment of Miss Brown ❤️❤️❤️
Rose's mom and Cal should have hooked up, they deserve each other.
Hahaha yeah that makes sense
Only that Ruth wasn't hot due to her age
LMAO
😂😂
I’m d 1000th like. Yay..yeah.
She was probably past menopause, so she wasn't considered marriage material for a childless guy back then.
“You know I don’t like that Rose.”
_Looks straight at her mother_
_Blows smoke in her face_
JinStan rose isn't a good girl
JinStan I agree that cal was rude to her, but spitting on face is a little too much. Rose's a bad girl
@@leonardodicaprio6757 are u stupid?
@@leonardodicaprio6757 troll
@@leonardodicaprio6757 well a big part of Rose character is that she is rebel and don't want to be a little good girl... On the deleted scene rose said that she don't like be there with all that rich people and Jack mention that she born on the wrong place because she don't fit with the rich people
I've watched Titanic my whole life but now watching it as an adult, I understand how powerful this scene is. Molly was the only one who was real that table, who saw the injustice and stuck up for her. She wasn't afraid of anyone or to say what's on her mind.
Rose, Molly, and Andrews were the decent people at that table while Cal, Ruth, and Ismay were villains.
@@ss04to06 An over-simplistic category in my view. Cal, Ruth, and Ismay all had sympathetic sides.
Smoking at the table is rude
She ain’t like the real Molly Brown tho. She threatened to throw that guy in the lifeboat overboard instead of chickening out like she did in this movie
@@zachbraxton1997 unless you’re a man I guess
That smile Rose gives Cal after he’s like “you like lamb, right sweet pea?” says so much lol
T. Aye. I interpreted it differently from most of you. I saw it as him ordering the dish that he knows she likes because she was addressed to and corrected by her mother to not do something she was doing at the table. He noticed the tension going on between them. So, he made her a quick negotiation swap of her favorite dish for the cigarette that he just removed from her mouth, per her mother's request. And, then he made it clear to her what he was doing by stating clearly that she likes that plate of food that he ordered for her as an attempt to abruptly clear up that scene before it escalated. He did that so that it doesn't end up a big fuss or as dragged on spite toward her mother so that they can continue on with whatever conversation was going on before their little interruption. This way he made both the mother and his fiancé content from annoying and dissatisfying each other. When he says "sweet pea" (underhanded sarcasm) to her it means that he's not trying to tell her "I'm siding with your mom and we both say you can't do that, so stop," but that he's saying he's trying to make her happy without dissatisfying her mother while she is in their presence without them causing a ruckus to the occasion over what she can or can't do.
Nah. He was a controlling misogynist. That's all.
@@aa-jm7js no it's to show how her mother and cal treated her as a child(yes she is 17 but old enough to marry according them). Her mother chastised rose for smoking pointing out how SHE doesn't like it and then have it away by cal. Its how parents react to a child who isn't listening. It's condescending. He's ordering her food without asking her or letting her do it herself. He then asks her afterwards just to make sure because even tho they are about to marry he has no idea of any of her likes and dislikes and again it was condescending. Which is why Molly Brown made the cutting up her food comment.
@@aa-jm7js umm did you not see the rest of the movie....or...
SB W. Yes, I've seen the Titanic movie before. I have even seen the actual heart shaped necklace that's in the movie up close in person before. Which part of the movie are you referencing to in your question to me about me seeing the movie?
I think that Molly was one of the most caring and understanding characters. She’s like that one aunty who you can speak about anything to her. She could sense Rose’s frustration through that fake sarcastic smile, and knows that she’s a strong woman who can fight, rather than a delicate model who must be controlled. She knew that Cal was a dickhead, and that Jack was right for Rose. Molly defended Jack a lot, and told him everything that he needed to know. She’s amazing. I love her.
She and her husband had a very amicable separation, as he simply hated to travel. Despite her lack of a higher education, Molly had a slew of intellectual interests, and even learned two or three foreign languages. As she and her husband were devout Catholics, they agreed to live apart but never divorce. Molly died in New York in the 1930s, and when that happened, to honor her will, the body of her husband (who had pre-deceased her) was brought to Long Island, and buried alongside hers in Holyrood Cemetery in the town of Westbury. I actually live not too far from there, and have seen the grave.
atlantic1119 thanks for sharing !
Molly was a good woman. If only only her and Rose had met again would of been better as Molly would of given Rose the proper motherly love she needed.
It's interesting that Molly rolled her eyes when Cal snubbed the cigarette, but was not bothered at all by Rose's rude behaviour towards her mother. Blowing smoke in anyone's face, when they have clearly told you that they don't like it, is extremely rude. Furthermore, the health repercussion due to secondhand smoking is a really serious matter...
Jack was homeless. If you are a mom or dad you would be happy to see your daughter with some homeless POS who has no qualms about trying to steal an engaged women. In real life you would not and if you say otherwise you are a liar
I love how Molly was the only one who understood how trapped Rose was and saw the way Jack helped her shine
Molly did not understand anything, Rose was not trapped and jack needs to leave rose alone, he is not engaged to her.
LOL a Caledon fanboy i see? @@travisboutilier2220
@@travisboutilier2220lmao you did not watch the movie and it's obvious.
Even if you did, you did not pay attention to and comprehend (old)Rose's narration.
what a deluded person travis is 😂😂
Molly wasn't afraid to speak up for herself or anyone else!!! She was humble especially with all her money's! Respect 💯
Molly started from the bottom and knew poverty so she's more grounded
She was new money thats why she was more real. Had she been born rich she'd probably be stuck up like the rest of them.
She was ahead of her time.
Margaret was in a class of her own she tried to get the lifeboats to go back to the ship and pick up any survivors in the water.
Molly had F. U. money. It was hers to control. Rose and her mother had no money of their own like most women of the day. The only thing they had to offer was obedience, good looks, and a family name.
rose is beautiful
Charismatic Cozy muito bonita mesmo
Darth Vader he's very handsome
Charismatic Cozy wow, I’m #1,000 “like”! lol
Her real name is Kate Winslet
Watch her in sense and sensibility. So pretty
“You’re gunna cut her meat for her too there cal?” 😂😂😂
KayG_Loves that was great
anywaythewindblows 89 what does it mean
@@victoria-ur4kz She was being sarcastic. First Cal puts out her cigarette and then orders her meal for her. Molly was having a dig at Cal for being so controlling by saying "You might as well help her eat too"
It'd have been amazing if rose had smirked after Molly's comment 😂
I don’t know what’s funnier. That line, or the stupid look on Cal’s face after hearing it. 😆
one of my favorite part of the movie when she blew the smoke on her mother's face
Thug life.
Is that right? Do you have the scene where Rose asks to be excused and walks out to look at Jack for a moment before Cal brings her back?
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Jack K Security shouldn't come at the price of happiness, don't be so shallow.
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Kathy Bates was perfect for this part! I like how she wasn’t a rich snob like her counterparts. She was hilarious!
That's pretty much how the actual Molly Brown was in real life.
She plays a very intimidating CEO too haha, the first role I saw her in was from the office
She wasn’t the first choice. Reba McEntire was offered the role but she had to turn it down because of scheduling conflicts with her tour.
doug avila Wow didn’t know that.
because she was new money.
For those criticizing Rose's behavior. I would agree that Rose is not perfect. I don't think any of the characters in this movie are. This is the reason the movie feels realistic and timeless. However, Rose's character is much more than a stubborn rebellious teen that does not want to listen to her mother or Cal. If we recall the broader context of the movie, Ruth treats Jack like he's worthless scum when he dines with them in first class. Without knowing him really, just because he is poor. When the ship is sinking Rose tells Ruth to stop being a snob, that "half the people in this ship are going to die," to which Cal replies, "not the better half." Obviously, Rose's disdain for Ruth and Cal does not just come from the fact that they want to control her life, but that really, they're kind of awful human beings. Rose treats Mr. Andrews, Molly, Jack, and even Jack's friends from third class with a lot more respect than she does Ruth and Cal. When she apparently goes to heaven in Titanic to join Jack (or has a dream) as an old woman, notice that only those who were kind are present, including her maid Trudy and Jack's friends Fabrizio and Tommy. Ruth, Cal, Ismay, and the other cowardly snobs aren't there. The moral? A mother or a fiance (or anyone really) does not deserve love and respect merely because they are family. They deserve love and respect because they deserve it as a quality human beings. One of the most satisfying parts of this movie is that Rose was able to escape the toxicity and hell that would have been her life. In part thanks to Jack. That is why she never forgot him. In her own words, "he saved me in all the ways a person can be saved."
completely agree!
It was only the truth the better half lived. Rest died like jack. 😂
Superb well said. Love and respect two sides of the same coin.
This implies that rose who cheated on her fiance deserved a "heaven" while cal and her mom did not. Its awful as a fiance to cheat on your future husband. that's emotional torture you inflict on your partner. she has her lover pain a naked picture with her wearing the very expensive diamond he gave her (albeit to "buy" her love) and then leaves that picture for her fiance to discover. Rose is a good person? Your sadly mistaken in this world for what's a good person. Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone.
@@AD-oy8nm It feels like you completely misunderstood the entire point movie.
I loved Victor Garber in Titanic. Every scene he was in, all I could focus on was him. He played Mr Andrews beautifully.
He even bears a strong resemblance.
As always with everything
atlantic1119 no, the real one was just ok looking
@@nassauguy48 Except for his age. The real Thomas Andrews was 39 years old when he died in the Titanic disaster. Victor Garber was almost 50 when he began filming Titanic.
Good Ulster accent as well. I wouldn't have guessed he was Canadian.
Her mum looks like a chihuahua! 😂
I THOUGHT THAT FOR 20 YEARS xDDDD
Rasta Turq XD
happy hallloween sweet pea :p
this is actually so accurate it’s scary
It’s funny because she was in Beverly Hills Chihuahua
Andrews and Molly trying not to laugh at Rose’s jab at Ismay gets me every time.
Mr. Andrews' quiet laughter was priceless.
This scene speaks so much. Just from the Rose blowing smoke in her mother's face to Cal ordering her food while Molly is just sitting there observing and glaring because she knows Rose doesn't even want to be there. So just defending her probably meant a lot to Rose.
In 1912, no women would have smoked and certainly never like this in public.
@@martinnoyes8507 It is a slight anachronism; Rose's character almost seems to be based on the flapper's of the 20's, who did adopt such scandalous activities such as smoking in public.
In truth, at this time both genders did smoke (the cigarette holder we see Rose use here specifically meant not to stain women smokers fingers)- but it was a very private activity; mostly because even then, people hated the smell. Men had their smoking rooms, specifically decorated with lots of curtains and carpets to soak up the smell and keep it from the rest of the household, and women tended to smoke outdoors or in their own private galleries alone. Even in like, 1960, lighting up a cigarette in the midst of a public meal would've been seen as tacky at best, downright rude at worst, even among a table of smokers.
It was very rude and disrespectful of rose to blow smoke in her mothers face, Cal was just doing what a gentleman of the time did and it was rude of molly to look at Cal like that.
@@martinnoyes8507 Yes they would. In First Class and upper society, it was the normallest thing, although there was still resistance against it.
Rose was rude, giving everyone second hand smoke
Kate Winslet is simply *STUNNING* in this movie!
Agree. And I prefer her red hair to the washed out blonde.
She was my gay awakening lmao
@@gemmawilson9227 gaykening
Peak of beauty in my opinion
I always felt so sorry for Rose, here. Her every moment is so tightly controlled from what she wears, where she goes, what she says, who she associates with, what she can eat, to even what she's allowed to think and whether she's allowed to stand or sit. That petty little moment when she blew smoke in her mother's face showcases the tiny little rebellions and brief moments of spite that are the only bits of freedom and personality she's ever been able to have. There are so many of these little flashes of pettiness from her over the course of the movie that you get the feeling they're all that's keeping her sane. When it became clear that Call wasn't even going to allow her to have those is when she despaired enough to try and kill herself.
You feel sorry for Rose despite the fact she blew smoke in her mother's face?
@@mrtony80 Yes. Like I mentioned before, Rose is absolutely petty but that is her letting off steam in a very restrictive and abusive environment so she doesn't break. The moment Cal stopped that outlet is the moment in the show she tried to kill herself. Both her mother and Cal are controlling and abusive.
@@RivkahSong Mom: selling off Rose like cattle
This dude: she blew smoke in her face, disgraceful!
@@lulupomegranate lol I know, right?
@@RivkahSongshe was never gonna jump
Rose is dead gorgeous
Kate Winslet nailed it!
lawnmowermanTX I KNOW RIGHT
@@meganswett7601 Exactly, yet Rose was meant for Jack.. She showed Jack a thing or two. I wanted to be Caledon, if I knew Rose was for Jack, I'd rub my hands on Ruth's bottom, letting her know, if Rose don't have me, I'll consider you darling! :) Ruth, was desperate, and wanted the money..
Angelica Medina hahaha,it changes the whole entire sentence 😂😂
Kate Winslet really suits red hair
the actor who portrayed molly was amazing! She literally was a massive jack x rose shipper and she was more of a mom to rose then Ruth could ever be
That's Cathy Bates. She was way better in Misery and Dolores Claiborne (course was the lead in both). But she's a great actor. She won an Oscar for Misery, although I think her performance in Dolores Claiborne was better.
Her voice reminds me of my Grandma Karen. Really sweet in nature.
The interesting thing about Cathy Bates is how much she resembles the real Unsinkable Molly Brown! Molly Brown was a force to be reckoned with in her own right. Well cast!
Rose’s smile just screams, I’m this close to strangling you.
Actually it's the other way around. Because she attempted to commit suicide in order to be free of Cal, because that posh lifestyle is suffocating.
😂😂😂😂
I just love how Rose blows smoke right in Ruth's face. Hahaha! So savage!
And I love the eyeliner that Cal's actor wore. Really shows off his role as the villain of the film!
Billy Zane portrayed Cal....he was also in the movie Tombstone...he was part of the theater company...and helped Josephine get out of the carriage when they first arrived in Tombstone 🙂
Billy Zane got the 'thankless role' part in "Titanic". He is too good of an actor to be stuck playing such a 'one note' character. For all of the attention to detail that James Cameron put into this movie, my elderly mother summed it up best while we were driving home. "On that real ship, you just know that none of the events that you saw with Jack and Rose had even an infinitesimal chance of happening in reality". She was so correct.
She was a real Titanic passenger. Her name was Margaret "Molly" Brown :)
ilovebutch19 the Unsinkable Molly Brown:)
Alot of the main characters were real.
ilovebutch19 Yes , i e seen So many documentaries with her ,
@@nicolet1020 another real passenger was Jacob Astor If i remember his name correctly, but he did not survive.
@@HelenaRG71 Most of the passengers introduced at dinner were real. Guggenheim, the Astors, Lucy and Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon, etc etc.
I really like Molly for numerous reasons: she’s the only one to defend Rose and see how unhappy she really is, she helps Jack and gives him a suit for the dinner with Rose’s mother and, near the end when they were on a lifeboat, she was the only one who wanted to go back and save other people.
Kate Winslet is absolutely stunning in this movie! 😲
Yes
Rose: "Do you know of Dr. Freud? His ideas about the male preoccupation with size might be of particular interest to you, Mr. Ismay."
Ismay: ...?
Andrews: *lol*
Rose was smart as a whip, and breathtakingly beautiful. 🖤
Who is he? Someone care to explain please?
Sigmund Freud is considered to be the Father of Modern Psychology. Of course, Rose's remark was also intended as a subtle d*ck joke.
@@learnenglishwithshruti Something Freud? He won't amount to a thing. He won't, trust me.
@@destructionman1 It's Picasso not freud
I love that dramatic look Kate Winslet always has on her face. She’s gorgeous!
Rose's dresses are always so pretty!
Rose's posture and the graceful way she smokes make this scene.
Such well casting. Especially love the mother, Cal, Mr. Andrew. They suit their roles perfectly.
He didn't even ask her what she would like to have to eat! What a narcissist!
veronicamamiful not sure u know what that word means buddy lol
Jack Black yes I do know what a narcissist means! I was married to one. Thank god for divorce.
veronicamamiful Go look up the definition of “narcissist”. Also, thank god for marriage, not divorce, because divorce would be frowned upon by him if he actually existed.
Jimmy Mackinnon I have read a lot about narcissism. I had to in order to understand the abuse that I endured. I was married for 17 yrs. marriage is beautiful and a good thing, if you have the right person. But with some people you can't do anything right with. I'm not against marriage. I'm against an abusive marriage. I had to divorce. I hope you can understand.
veronicamamiful Actually I agree with everything that you have just said. Sorry you had to go through that. Now that I think of it, perhaps he thinks that only his opinion matters and not hers and that is narcissism? That would make sense.
Rose mom acts like she's already rich when in reality she's no better than the people in steerage.
she's even worse because she's pimping her daughter out for CASH
@Clinton Pendleton Great but her attitude STILL stinks!
she's worse than people in steerage they treated rose a first class passenger with respect
Scott Buckley Exactly
She was rich for a while
I love that excellently attention to detail at 0:49 as Rose is only putting on a smile to avoid upsetting Cal. Rose obviously hates having her life played for her but she is forbidden to defy her husband to be and she eventually grows a backbone and stands up to herself once she is in love with Jack.
That was nice of her to not want to upset Cal. well too bad, that's how the life of a first class lady is and should never defy her intended and it was disrespectful of rose to stand up and she can't be in love with jack
Everyone has got to love Molly!!
Kathy Bates a queen we all deserve.
Kathy bates is a excellent actress especially in misery, that film was brutal but her acting was something special,!!
I’m still not going to forget the way Molly spoke to Rose on their lifeboats, she convinced Rose in a nice way, like an aunty to her, while the mother was just demanding Rose to get in the boat.
Rose is very beautiful in this movie
@loveutill theendoftimes nah after i watched titanic for the first time 1000 years ago i fell in love with her. Everything about her was beautiful. I looked up the actor, Kate Winslet. Made some research and was disappointed. Today i am glad about it. She turned my head around back then, could not sleep.
@unknown stalker i know lol, but thats life
@Dude_ Perfect wtf she's not old, she's 44. I bet you'll love people calling you old when you're in your 40s
I liked kate winslet with red hair it really suits her . she is very beautiful even in her 40's she still a beauty
Her fiance was too much of a jerk. She couldn't even make her own decisions. Of course she went with Jack!
He was not a jerk. her decisions were against the rules. she can't go to jack.
Cal looked all right to me
He was homeless though. Was the right choice but not easy.
@@lightheart5 He even tried to make her quit smoking lol. And was interested in what she read.
Rose blows smoke into Ruth’s face. Her message was essentially: “you obviously don’t care about my feelings so why in the world should I care about your selfish feelings?”.
OMG bless molly 😂😂😂
We can't have enough Molly women in the world 🌷❤
I love this scene and I press repeat many times. Just pure beauty- Kate Winslet, the actors and the ship itself
molly was the only one that seen through cal and knew rose wasn’t happy. molly could see that jack and rose loved eachother and you can prove that by all the things she did for jack, speaking good of him to roses mother, lending him the suit, and tells him how to act in the dinner. she was really a good person
I have to admit though, Billy Zane was insanely attractive in this.
I agree. Everyone talks about Jack, but I think Cal was more handsome.
YK ME I don’t think Cal was more attractive than Leo In my opinion but I do agree that’s he’s attractive
True.
You can see that Cal has a much better physique than Jack. Jack is too thin and small.
Yeaaaah he’s as attractive as Jack , they’re both handsome
😵 both ugly af u guys blind
I really like Molly in this movie. She had guts and wasn’t afraid to tell someone what they think. I think my favorite scene in the movie for Molly is where she is trying to get the rowboat to go back and pick up the other survivors that were in the ocean after Titanic went into the sea. All she wanted was for the boats to move the people over because Molly knew that more people could fit in the boat, but the ship officer wouldn’t go and told her to go and sit down. More people would have been saved, but..... oh well we all saw what happened. 🚢⛰😠😠
Let be honest, Molly and Tommy represented the viewers. They both did what we wanted to do and never missed. I just wish Tommy and Cal had a scene together where they spoke to each other. Words would have been said and maybe hands would have gone flying and I would have been 100% there for it. Anybody else agree?
They got pretty close to it when William Murdoch threw the money back at Cal at the lifeboat, they were right next to each other! But yes that would've been interesting.
In the original script, Fabrizio was supposed to have been killed after being hit over the head with an Oar by Cal.
@@wolfieeeee256 Tommy even shoves Cal’s hand away.
Who's like me?
When i watch this movie as a kid, i thought Molly was really a toxic woman who people don't like hanging around. Because the way Rose mother treat her is really look like that at the time. Now as an adult, i realize she is the one who is smart around the actual toxic person, Rose mother.
I love this kind of detail in a film.
In reality, there's still a lot of people out there who like to befriend with a toxic person like Rose mother, and seen them as smart. But the actual smart person like Molly is being seen as weird, arrogant, creep, loner and being excluded and ostracized by people.
Gotta love Molly for saying what anyone who was watching would have!💜😂🍗🍴
Molly has another look about the rich because she was born poor
The minute I saw Victor Garber as Thomas Andrews, I was in love.
It’s great how Molly gives Cal a subtle burn - enough to signal to Rose that her feelings of discomfort are valid - but says it in a lighthearted way that a small-minded, snobbish guy like Cal could easily misinterpret as a meaningless joke and, thus, not have a big offended reaction. Well done, Molly.
No it's not great, Molly was being very rude to Cal. roses feeling were not valid, she was just being cynical.
Glad you understood the scene
I love Molly. She is so underrated and is one of the treasures of this movie!
The way Rose turns to Cal and smiles :)))) priceless
Yeah, it's like: "Sure, but that's not what I'm in the mood to eat right now, you jerk." :)
Every time I see Kathy Bates on screen I can't stop thinking of her busting up James Caan's ankles in the movie MISERY. Man she was one wack job in that movie.
grant myers Yeah, I loved the film as well. I believe she was an unknown when she was cast for the film.
She should have done that to Cal
Yea, that was a pretty good King book that translated onto the screen very well. I think maybe because the story was cut & dry with limited characters so it worked.
AHahahahahaha yessss
I thought she was also great in Dolores Claiborne.
Rose may have just been a prize wife to cal, but cal was just a walking checkbook to her and her mother.
To Ruth, perhaps. To Rose, not so much.
Well they were both gaining from each other. Rose and her mother had no money cause Rose's father gambled away the money and left bad debts. Fortunately for them nobody in their society knew they did not have money. They were living an illusion and using their name to level up and maintain their status. Rose and her mother come from old money, which was important for someone like Cal who is second generation new money.
Old money carries higher respect, better opportunities and also easy wealth cause people know your name.
Cal saw Rose not only as a prize trophy wife but also easy access for his legacy as a rich tycoon. Her last name will help
Cal's stauts among the rich elite.
Rose saw through this but the mother wanted it more then her cause the mother wanted to keep her glamorous lifestyle.
@@delirous8 wow your comment should be highlighted, rose's mother did this for her own good
@@delirous8 I thought Cal and Rose were a good match.
I feel sorry for him..
The fake smile Rose gives to Cal when Cal said after ordering her meal on her behalf; 'You like lamb right sweet pea?' and of course, when Molly Brown went to Cal; 'You going to cut her meat too Cal' sarcasm at its best😂😂😂😂😂
Molly Brown's burn, polite, and subtle enough for Cal to interpret in different ways in his mind. 😂😂
I love this movie and since I'm a fan of Leo and Kate together I cant get enough of Jack and Rose's relationship
Kathy Bates should have won an Oscar for this scene alone to be honest.
She was not nominated for Best Supporting Actress, but in my opinion, Gloria Stewart (who WAS nominated) should have beat out Kim Basinger.
@@nassauguy48 cathy bates is an oscar hog
Nah. This film was heavily focused on Jack and Rose. But Billy Zane should had won for best supporting actor
Rose: smokes a cigarette
Roses Mother: "You know I don't like that, Rose."
Rose: blows smoke straight at her mother's face
*SAVAGE ROSE MOMENT*
I love Molly, super iconic 😂❤️
Rose's Mother And Cal where more fitting for each other I like how Molly always stuck up for Rose along with Jack
Love How She Blows The Smoke Right In Her Face.
I'm just glad someone like molly survived from the tragedy.
1997. Magical year. Still is, for me.
i can't even wrap my head around how women must've felt being controlled by men like Cal and still go through up 'til now. WOMEN, YOU ARE STRONG AND BEAUTIFUL. never let an illietrate man tells you what to and what not do.
That is what the times were like back in the 19th century and early 20th century a man's world. In fact, even through terrible and unnecessary, it took two World Wars to change society perception of women. Here, Molly Brown, who was a strong, independent woman even before wealth, won't let a man control her, in fact, would probably take a squad of guys in their prime.
I always laugh very hard when rose mother say: “You know I don’t like that Rose” and Rose blows the smoke in her mother's face. For some reason this is hilarious 😂
Am i the only one who just loved Molly?!! She was able to read between the lines and see how Rose was being treated by Cal! Strong feminine woman backing up another woman who wants her freedom
On Titanic, Luncheon was served in the first class dining saloon on D Deck, or in the first class restaurant or Cafe Parisen - a full luncheon menu would not have been available in the Palm Court, where the characters ate here. Small light food such as sandwiches, cakes, tea and coffee yes, but not a proper sit down lunch.
@Angelic Gay Yes, you are right, it could be - as both Andrews and Ismay are present. Good thinking.
Lol Rose is a savage she blew smoke right in her moms face. I also love Molly she has an amazing heart and was the only person who really stood up for Rose
Imagine having Molly and Mr. Andrews as parents
Let's imagine neither of them were married and they had a shipboard romance.
Well at the time molly was single so..
I can understand why someone would hate this movie but I can’t understand how anyone could hate Rose’s character
Actually, I like te movie more than I like Rose! :D
When I was like 7 or 8, I thought his name was cow bahaha
molly is the only sane one in that rich crowd. she could see through rose eyes that she isn't happy even if rose fake smiled. rose looked happier and less depressed when she met jack.
Yeah-- for all that people slate the love story, humour is a big part of romance, and Rose evidently had a lot of fun with Jack in such a short period of time. They spent an entire day together and they clearly bonded at an emotional level.
she holds the cigarette so elegantly and classy that she would melt and capture any man 's heart so quickly ... !
What, even if her breath, hair, and hands stink from cigarette smoke?
I recall reading that smoking was not considered socially acceptable for women until the 1920s (the flappers era). I think everyone at that table would've been staring at Rose with deep frowns upon seeing her smoking a cigarette.
She wasn't exactly a commoner, they wouldn't have done it because of Cal.
This movie ranks a solid F rating for historical accuracy.
Hence why she was doing it. Rose was ahead of her time and people like her mother and Cal were trying to suppress that.
It wasn't socially acceptable indeed and that's why Ruth doesn't like it but I think they had started showing some tolerance to it. I mean they didn't like it but probably up to that point women had began taking this kind of habits so it wasn't really possible for every woman seen smoking to be stopped so men were "pretending not to see" in certain occasions especially in upper classes. They didn't like it of course and most certainly a woman of the upper class smoking would cause some comments later on behind her back.
I'm not so sure about the socially acceptable thing. The Tsar of Russia allowed his four daughters to smoke because it was thought to be healthy. Anastasia thanked him in a letter for a cigarette he sent her. Probably more it wasn't acceptable in formal public settings.
"You know I dont like that",PROCEEDS TO BLOW SMOKE IN HER FACE 😂
That first scene PERFECTLY reflects the relationship between Rose and her mother! After being politely chided about her smoking habit, Rose delivers the ultimate F$&K YOU response, 1912 style! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is extremely rude and disrespectful.
@@travisboutilier2220 Yes, obviously so, which perfectly established the fraught relationship between Rose and her mother for the audience.
@@MediaSearch09 fraught relationship?
@@travisboutilier2220 One of those high-end words basically meaning “to fill with anxiety or stress”. Something like that. Rose did make it clear she hated her mother.
@@MediaSearch09 Her mother just wanted what was best for both of them.
Honestly though. Lamb is quite delicious.
I also met Zane years ago and had a conversation on a Chrismas night. He was nice guy to talk to.
Complimented his character, he is bald these days.
he was bald in titanic too he was wearing a wig
Cool
He is a Greek god.
I wish I could have someone in my life to love me like Rose & Jack. They both have Oscars now Kate & Leo and I am so happy for them. Kate Winslet deserved it for The Reader. I hope she wins another one.
Are you still alive? This comment was made two years ago. Hopefully you are
They portrayed Molly very well in this movie. A confident woman not afraid to speak her mind, even if it meant traveling the atlantic in the dark to rescue people
In fact, the real Molly Brown had a very strong personality. She separated from her husband, Jim due to him not liking to travel, not lost love, and that they separated on fair good terms, meaning Molly had her own money but wealth was not everything to Molly Brown even before riches she was a social activist and during the lifeboat actually threatened to throw overboard the sailor in charge if he didn't stop scaring the people on board or if he didn't go back for more survivors.
Kathy Bates was PERFECT for that role
Shows how men treated their women back in the day.
Samuel Harju never disagreed with that for a second.
Paul James Back then women were treated like accessories for the men. They were expected to just sit still and look pretty basically.
And likewise, men were treated as checkbooks. Literally the reason Rose and her mother schemed Cal in with them.
Yes..I watched the movie as well. But, while it's clear that Rose resents her mother for pushing it on her, I think Rose must have said "yes" to Cal at some point in some form. I think it was more of a situation where Rose FELT forced into the engagement.
Paul James I'm sorry to say in behalf of these "men" I'm sorry. Men like me treat woman with respect. How could they live with themselves.
Wow Rose was really living a very beautiful life 😌❤️
Love it when Rose blows the smoke in her mother's face lol
I would loooooooooooooooove to do that to someone, but the problem is, I don't smoke, nor would I want to! Smoking is dangerous, and even worse is having to breathe it in from someone else's smoke! And, smoking can cause global air pollution!
This scene was absolutely crucial to the movie because it showed just how rebellious Rose was and how much she hated being apart of the first class lifestyle.
“Outwardly, I was everything that a well brought up girl should be, inside I was screaming”.
Remember that women were prohibited from smoking and drinking in public during this era. The third class party was also incredibly crucial to the movie, as Rose hiked up her dress and showed her ankles, which was also a huge “no-no” to women in the Victorian era.
How can she hate being apart of the first class? it's luxurious and elegant. well they should, smoking and drinking are unladylike. how could she do that without any shame?
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I would guess because she was forced into that lifestyle without choosing it herself? The strict formalities and social expectations of high society is not for everyone.
@@travisboutilier2220Rose hated the lifestyle because she already knew at this point that money did not buy happiness. She was already being forced into marrying a man for money. She wanted to have the same type of lifestyle as Jack. She even said "Why can't I just be like you and head out for the horizon whenever I feel like it?" It is unfair to say that smoking and drinking is unladylike. It's sexist. Why was it acceptable for men to do it and not women? Rose was a feminist of her time. Doing whatever she pleased and not caring about who she offends. I loved her rebellious attitude towards the social norms of that time. Amazing.
@@jessicacampbell4142 she's just ungrateful and that's nonsense, money does buy happiness. well too bad, it's for the best. well she can't, she is first class and is expected to live a first class lifestyle. no it isn't, it's perfectly fair to say. it is not sexist. cause men are more disciplined with it. rose should be a proper lady. do what she's told and caring about offending others. i hate her rebellious behavior. terrible.
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Rose never smiles in this crowd. She smiles only with Jack.
Wow they got the casting perfect for Margaret “Molly” Brown when they cast Kathy Bates ❤️ incredible! I adore her
I love how rose doesn't have to say a word but you know what she's feeling
Victor Garber (who played Thomas Andrews) in Titanic is such a beautiful man!
Kathy Bates is ALWAYS so epic.
Molly didn't get enough credit for how badass she was! Always my fav!
Molly sassy sarcasm and reactions were enough a truly fascinating strong individual.
Kathy Bates makes every role perfect!!!!!🎉
People are making a huge fuss down here in the comments as if telling your daughter not to smoke is a huge crime. It's basic manners to not smoke at others faces when you're dining.
Well, Rose does not come off much better in this scene than either Cal or Ruth. Lighting up at a dinner table? UH UH. What an invasion of other people's space.
The unsinkable molly brown was my favorite character and favorite real life lady. She was amazing
“In OHHHHHH history” 😂
That part always make me laugh
0:32 when she blows the smoke in her mom's face😂😂😂
Frfr so funny😂😂😂😂
Nobody is gonna talk about how beautiful the ship/clothes look ?
Three more years and Titanic is considered a classic 😱 feeling old much