Thank you John Piper, you just made Calvinism look what should be, terrible doctrine and I am so happy for it. These three parts clearly show where you truly stand, doctrinally speaking. Although on all three parts of the video you went around the bush and did not directly address the fact that in the verses you shared and discussed people had an ability to respond in faith you still alluded to it indirectly. When you alluded to it, you hit the nail on the head, "justification is God's Gift it is by God's Grace and it is in Christ Jesus and is received (by the recipient) by faith" Ephesians 2:8-9/Romans 3:23-26. Also is some of the verse you shared, especially in regards to some of the Jews and religious leaders, the resisted God's grace leading them to damnation. This completely elimantes Total Depravity and Unconditional election and Irresistible Grace out of the map. Please keep it up!
Genesis 24:10-14 " 10 Then the servant took ten of his master 's camels and departed, taking all sort of choice gifts from his master; and he rose and went to Mesopotamia to the city of Nahor. 11 And he made the camels knees down outside of the city by the well of water at the time of evening, the time when women go out to draw water. 13 And he said, " O LORD, God of my master Abraham😊❤, please grant me success today and show steadfast love to my master Abraham. 13 Behold, I am standing by the spring of water, and the daughters of men of the city are coming out to draw water. 14 Let the young woman to whom I shall say, ' Please let down your jar that I may drink,' and who shall say, ' Drink, and I will water this I shall know that you have shown steadfast love😊❤ to my master( somehoe the word " master of course was referring Abraham in the Old testament here and it somehow lead me to think my master is God😊100%❤ orJesus😊1st❤ too in Christ because Jesus 😊1st ❤ did said the following in Matthew 7:24 😊❤. ) ."( Genesis 24:10-14 ESV ; Speaking the word " Master" the Bible said you can either serve either God or money remember in Matthew 7:24 " 24 " No one can serve two masters, for either he hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despite the other. You cannot serve God😊❤ and money. "( Matthew 7:24 ESV Study Bible). My master is still Jesus😊1st❤ or God 😊100%❤ of the Bible same as Abraham's master is God 😊100%❤. We today work hard to earn money to support family but we do not serve money for money serve us. We serve God😊1st❤ by resting in his love😊❤. Today after worshiping God, , we went out picked up our mom( = my wife's mom ) in Flushing for tea time and by God's grace use money to serve us for lunch and went to shopping for geocery for convenient purposes since there are so many markets nearby. We used money to serve us by his grace and not we serve the money. We serve God by serving our mom for tea time and serving my wife by serving her mom as one of the ways serving God indirectly. We serve God😊100%❤( or Jesus😊1st❤) by serving others by his grace( Ephesians 2:8😊❤ ; 2 Corinthians 12:9😊❤) who did you serve today? In Jesus'name, i pray( Serve Jesus😊1st ❤ by serving others around us😊❤😊❤ in Christ Jesus😊1st❤. We got things on sales and pick 4 more bags of thing my mother in law needs too😊❤. At home also serving my wife by cooking for her favorite dish as one of my ways of serving Jesus😊1st❤ too. Now lead to Luke 4:8 Back to Jesus😊1st❤ Luke 4:8 "8 And Jesus😊1st❤ answered him, " It is written, " You shall worship the Lord your God😊❤ and him only shall you( or we) serve .' " ( Luke 4:8 ESV Study Bible, Jesus 😊1st ❤ said.( period) in Christ😊❤). Amen. I also think we serve the Lord our God and we use money in Christ to serve us instead of we serve money. We serve Jesus😊1st❤ or God( 😊100%❤) or serve the Lord our God😊❤ like Jesus😊1st❤ said in Luke 4:8. Luke 4:8 "8 And Jesus😊1st❤ answered him, " It is written, " You shall worship the Lord your God😊❤ and him only shall you( or we) serve .' " ( Luke 4:8 ESV Study Bible Jesus 😊1st ❤ said in Christ❤😊. )
Matthew 9:14-17( A question about fasting) "14 Then the disciples of John(John the Baptist😊❤ ) came to him(Jesus😊1st❤) saying, " Why do we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples( 12) do not fast?" 15( a) And Jesus😊1st❤ said them, "Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?...."( ESV Study Bible) Pause in Matthew 9:15A ( "the bridegroom" "in the Old Testament ( Ot) was Yehwah( Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:19-20) The arrival of the kingdom of heaven is cause for a time of rejoicing, similar to what is experienced during marriage ceremonies(cf. Matthew 25:10) " ( ESV Study Bible. Under the context of Matthew 25:1-13( The parable of the ten virgins) Matthew 25:10 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and thosw who were ready went in with him( Jesus😊1st❤) to the marriage feast, and the door was shut."( Matthew 25:10 ESV Study Bible) Back to Matthew 9:15 fully in Christ. "15 And Jesus😊1st❤ said them, "Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom(Jesus😊1st❤) is taken away from them, and then they will fast. 16 No one put a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made. 17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both😊❤ are preserved."( Matthew 9:14-17 ESV Study Bible) In Matthew 9:16-17, the phase of "... unshrunk cloth on an old garment."( Matthew 9:16 A ESV Study Bible) "Rather than patching up the traditional practice of righteousness with religious Judaism, Jesus(😊1st❤) has come to offer real growth😊❤ in kingdom righteousness, which is like( a metaphor) when "new wine is put into fresh wineskins."( Matthew 9:17 middle of the verse) (ESV Study Bible )
Matthew 9:14-17( A question about fasting) "14 Then the disciples of John(John the Baptist😊❤ ) came to him(Jesus😊1st❤) saying, " Why do we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples( 12) do not fast?" 15( a) And Jesus😊1st❤ said them, "Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?...."( ESV Study Bible) Pause in Matthew 9:15A ( "the bridegroom" "in the Old Testament ( Ot) was Yehwah( Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:19-20) The arrival of the kingdom of heaven is cause for a time of rejoicing, similar to what is experienced during marriage ceremonies(cf. Matthew 25:10) " ( ESV Study Bible. Under the context of Matthew 25:1-13( The parable of the ten virgins) Matthew 25:10 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and thosw who were ready went in with him( Jesus😊1st❤) to the marriage feast, and the door was shut."( Matthew 25:10 ESV Study Bible) Back to Matthew 9:15 fully in Christ. "15 And Jesus😊1st❤ said them, "Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom(Jesus😊1st❤) is taken away from them, and then they will fast. 16 No one put a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made. 17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both😊❤ are preserved."( Matthew 9:14-17 ESV Study Bible) In Matthew 9:16-17, the phase of "... unshrunk cloth on an old garment."( Matthew 9:16 A ESV Study Bible) "Rather than patching up the traditional practice of righteousness with religious Judaism, Jesus(😊1st❤) has come to offer real growth😊❤ in kingdom righteousness, which is like( a metaphor) when "new wine is put into fresh wineskins."( Matthew 9:17 middle of the verse) (ESV Study Bible )
I am not saying that it's not loving but if Christian onesness theory is wrong and Jesus was not the father in the flesh than how is it loving for a father to give up his son. Wouldn't it be more loving for the father to die himself. If a human father was to do such a thing, no one would call that loving. Second, oneness theory is by nature a metaphysical theory but ill argue that God being one, that is that there is no real difference between the father son and holy Spirit is stronger as a moral argument. That is, if there is no moral differences between the three than there is no real difference. For moral being is will, is two or three persons have the same will in all circumstances then what's the differences between the persons
I'm not sure if I really understand you question... or even if it is a question. Lol. But I'll give a couple verses 1 corinthians 12:27 "Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it." John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
Do you have kids? If you do, which is more painful? To die a fake death yourself, or to let your beloved, innocent son die a real death for his brothers? I'm speaking in human terms, but there's more nuance involved when it comes to the Father and Jesus Christ, which I will try to explain a little in the next three comments.
1. Time - First of all, the Father doesn't experience time as we do. For us, we can only ever experience the present. But the Father, from the beginning, had already experienced past, present and future. Think of it like rewatching a movie that you had already watched while possessing a perfect memory. If this movie had some sad parts in it that were necessary to get to the most glorious finale possible afterwards, how would you perceive those sad parts? Before Jesus was born, the Father had already experienced Jesus' birth, baptism, ministry, death, resurrection and exaltation. In there, there are some difficult things to experience, and some joyous occassions too, but all of these would be dwarfed in comparison to the glorious ending. So when the Father gave His Son, it wasn't a gamble. Even when Jesus was sweating blood in Gethsemane, the Father had already seen the joy that the Son would experience after His death and resurrection, upon saving mankind.
2. Immortality - Even if the Father wished to die in Jesus' place, that simply wasn't possible. God, by nature, is immortal and eternal. No part of Himself can begin to live or die. Only His creations can do that. If God were to take control of a human body, that wouldn't be conception (the beginning of a real human being). It would be possession. It would be no different from you entering a car in order to drive it for a short while, and then abandon it once you are done. And in that scenario, it would not be God that died for the sins of the world, but the human body, just like when a car crashes but you yourself are untouched, then it's the car that has been damaged, not you. God exists as spirit, not as flesh. And if a conscious spirit takes a hold of a human body, we call that possession, not birth. And if a conscious spirit leaves a human body, we don't call that death. For example, when the Holy Spirit left Samson, neither the Holy Spirit nor Samson died in that instance. Similarly, if the Spirit of God were to possess an empty human body and then leave it, no real human being would have died, because no real human being would have began to live in the first place.
3. Man had to die for man's sake, in order to absolve man - Just like a man was responsible for the death of mankind, a man was responsible for the life of mankind. Paul goes into detail on this in Romans and 1 Corinthians, and so does the author of Hebrews. So I won't add much to that, but only refer you to Romans 5:6-21; 1 Corinthians 15:20-22; Hebrews 2:10-18; 5:1-11. So I know that many people believe that Jesus had to be God in order for Him qualify as a perfect sacrifice for sins, but the text actually insists that He had to be a man "in every way like His brethren" in order to qualify as a sacrifice for the sins of men. Jesus had to meet only two conditions: be unblemished (sinless), and be a man. And though God meets one of these conditions, the fact that He is God would disqualify Him. The same argument that the author uses in Hebrews 2:16-17 to rule out that Jesus was an angel, also rules out Jesus from being anything else other than a human being. Because if the sacrifice wouldn't work if Jesus were an angel, how then would it work if Jesus was God? And I believe that if the author of Hebrews were Trinitarian, he would have done as modern theology scholars do, and tried to argue why Jesus had to be God in order to die for sins. But that's not what he does, is it? He argues that Jesus had to be a man.
John Piper, what precisely did you mean when you said: “Christians communicate a falsehood to unbelievers when we act as if policies and laws that protect life and freedom are more precious than being a certain kind of person”? Brave words for a coddled, white American pastor. Would this play well in Nigeria where Christian’s are being killed en masse? Or Nagorno-Karabakh? Or China? N Korea? How about living in a place where they have no laws preserving life or freedom before making such an absurd pronouncement?
i'm pretty sure piper believes in God having resurrection power, and believes all will be eternally existent. in that case, everything in this life is not worth holding onto, since he/calvinists believe there is a more glorious reality awaiting those who God has elected
What a great teaching! Thank you Pastor John!
Thank you John Piper, you just made Calvinism look what should be, terrible doctrine and I am so happy for it.
These three parts clearly show where you truly stand, doctrinally speaking.
Although on all three parts of the video you went around the bush and did not directly address the fact that in the verses you shared and discussed people had an ability to respond in faith you still alluded to it indirectly.
When you alluded to it, you hit the nail on the head, "justification is God's Gift it is by God's Grace and it is in Christ Jesus and is received (by the recipient) by faith" Ephesians 2:8-9/Romans 3:23-26.
Also is some of the verse you shared, especially in regards to some of the Jews and religious leaders, the resisted God's grace leading them to damnation.
This completely elimantes Total Depravity and Unconditional election and Irresistible Grace out of the map.
Please keep it up!
Genesis 24:10-14
" 10 Then the servant took ten of his master 's camels and departed, taking all sort of choice gifts from his master; and he rose and went to Mesopotamia to the city of Nahor.
11 And he made the camels knees down outside of the city by the well of water at the time of evening, the time when women go out to draw water.
13 And he said, " O LORD, God of my master Abraham😊❤, please grant me success today and show steadfast love to my master Abraham.
13 Behold, I am standing by the spring of water, and the daughters of men of the city are coming out to draw water.
14 Let the young woman to whom I shall say, ' Please let down your jar that I may drink,' and who shall say, ' Drink, and I will water this I shall know that you have shown steadfast love😊❤ to my master( somehoe the word " master of course was referring Abraham in the Old testament here and it somehow lead me to think my master is God😊100%❤ orJesus😊1st❤ too in Christ because Jesus 😊1st ❤ did said the following in Matthew 7:24 😊❤. )
."( Genesis 24:10-14 ESV ; Speaking the word " Master" the Bible said you can either serve either God or money remember in Matthew 7:24
" 24 " No one can serve two masters, for either he hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despite the other. You cannot serve God😊❤ and money. "( Matthew 7:24 ESV Study Bible).
My master is still Jesus😊1st❤ or God 😊100%❤ of the Bible same as Abraham's master is God 😊100%❤. We today work hard to earn money to support family but we do not serve money for money serve us. We serve God😊1st❤ by resting in his love😊❤. Today after worshiping God, , we went out picked up our mom( = my wife's mom ) in Flushing for tea time and by God's grace use money to serve us for lunch and went to shopping for geocery for convenient purposes since there are so many markets nearby. We used money to serve us by his grace and not we serve the money. We serve God by serving our mom for tea time and serving my wife by serving her mom as one of the ways serving God indirectly. We serve God😊100%❤( or Jesus😊1st❤)
by serving others by his grace( Ephesians 2:8😊❤ ; 2 Corinthians 12:9😊❤) who did you serve today? In Jesus'name, i pray( Serve Jesus😊1st ❤ by serving others around us😊❤😊❤ in Christ Jesus😊1st❤. We got things on sales and pick 4 more bags of thing my mother in law needs too😊❤. At home also serving my wife by cooking for her favorite dish as one of my ways of serving Jesus😊1st❤ too. Now lead to Luke 4:8
Back to Jesus😊1st❤
Luke 4:8 "8 And Jesus😊1st❤ answered him, " It is written,
" You shall worship the Lord
your God😊❤ and him only shall you( or we) serve .' " ( Luke 4:8 ESV Study Bible, Jesus 😊1st ❤ said.( period) in Christ😊❤). Amen.
I also think we serve the Lord our God and we use money in Christ to serve us instead of we serve money. We serve Jesus😊1st❤ or God( 😊100%❤) or serve the Lord our God😊❤ like Jesus😊1st❤ said in Luke 4:8.
Luke 4:8 "8 And Jesus😊1st❤ answered him, " It is written,
" You shall worship the Lord
your God😊❤ and him only shall you( or we) serve .' " ( Luke 4:8 ESV Study Bible Jesus 😊1st
❤ said in Christ❤😊. )
Matthew 9:14-17( A question about fasting)
"14 Then the disciples of John(John the Baptist😊❤
) came to him(Jesus😊1st❤) saying,
" Why do we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples( 12)
do not fast?"
15( a) And Jesus😊1st❤ said them,
"Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?...."( ESV Study Bible)
Pause in Matthew 9:15A
( "the bridegroom" "in the Old Testament ( Ot) was Yehwah( Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:19-20) The arrival of the kingdom of heaven is cause for a time of rejoicing, similar to what is experienced during marriage ceremonies(cf.
Matthew 25:10) " ( ESV Study Bible. Under the context of Matthew 25:1-13( The parable of the ten virgins)
Matthew 25:10
10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and thosw who were ready went in with him( Jesus😊1st❤)
to the marriage feast, and the door was shut."( Matthew 25:10 ESV Study Bible)
Back to Matthew 9:15 fully in Christ.
"15 And Jesus😊1st❤ said them,
"Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?
The days will come when the bridegroom(Jesus😊1st❤)
is taken away from them,
and then they will fast.
16 No one put a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment,
for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made.
17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both😊❤ are preserved."( Matthew 9:14-17 ESV Study Bible)
In Matthew 9:16-17, the phase of "... unshrunk cloth on an old garment."( Matthew 9:16 A ESV Study Bible)
"Rather than patching up the traditional practice of righteousness with religious Judaism, Jesus(😊1st❤) has come to offer real growth😊❤ in kingdom righteousness, which is
like( a metaphor)
when "new wine is put into fresh wineskins."( Matthew 9:17 middle of the verse) (ESV Study Bible )
Thank you ❤
Matthew 9:14-17( A question about fasting)
"14 Then the disciples of John(John the Baptist😊❤
) came to him(Jesus😊1st❤) saying,
" Why do we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples( 12)
do not fast?"
15( a) And Jesus😊1st❤ said them,
"Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?...."( ESV Study Bible)
Pause in Matthew 9:15A
( "the bridegroom" "in the Old Testament ( Ot) was Yehwah( Isaiah 62:5; Hosea 2:19-20) The arrival of the kingdom of heaven is cause for a time of rejoicing, similar to what is experienced during marriage ceremonies(cf.
Matthew 25:10) " ( ESV Study Bible. Under the context of Matthew 25:1-13( The parable of the ten virgins)
Matthew 25:10
10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and thosw who were ready went in with him( Jesus😊1st❤)
to the marriage feast, and the door was shut."( Matthew 25:10 ESV Study Bible)
Back to Matthew 9:15 fully in Christ.
"15 And Jesus😊1st❤ said them,
"Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?
The days will come when the bridegroom(Jesus😊1st❤)
is taken away from them,
and then they will fast.
16 No one put a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment,
for the patch tears away from the garment, and a worse tear is made.
17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both😊❤ are preserved."( Matthew 9:14-17 ESV Study Bible)
In Matthew 9:16-17, the phase of "... unshrunk cloth on an old garment."( Matthew 9:16 A ESV Study Bible)
"Rather than patching up the traditional practice of righteousness with religious Judaism, Jesus(😊1st❤) has come to offer real growth😊❤ in kingdom righteousness, which is
like( a metaphor)
when "new wine is put into fresh wineskins."( Matthew 9:17 middle of the verse) (ESV Study Bible )
Good message
I really like this information
Thanks again
Propitiation:Atone or satisfy God's wrath against sin
Do you have the whole 6 chapters on
Galatians ?
I am not saying that it's not loving but if Christian onesness theory is wrong and Jesus was not the father in the flesh than how is it loving for a father to give up his son. Wouldn't it be more loving for the father to die himself. If a human father was to do such a thing, no one would call that loving. Second, oneness theory is by nature a metaphysical theory but ill argue that God being one, that is that there is no real difference between the father son and holy Spirit is stronger as a moral argument. That is, if there is no moral differences between the three than there is no real difference. For moral being is will, is two or three persons have the same will in all circumstances then what's the differences between the persons
I'm not sure if I really understand you question... or even if it is a question. Lol. But I'll give a couple verses
1 corinthians 12:27 "Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it."
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
Do you have kids? If you do, which is more painful? To die a fake death yourself, or to let your beloved, innocent son die a real death for his brothers? I'm speaking in human terms, but there's more nuance involved when it comes to the Father and Jesus Christ, which I will try to explain a little in the next three comments.
1. Time - First of all, the Father doesn't experience time as we do. For us, we can only ever experience the present. But the Father, from the beginning, had already experienced past, present and future. Think of it like rewatching a movie that you had already watched while possessing a perfect memory. If this movie had some sad parts in it that were necessary to get to the most glorious finale possible afterwards, how would you perceive those sad parts?
Before Jesus was born, the Father had already experienced Jesus' birth, baptism, ministry, death, resurrection and exaltation. In there, there are some difficult things to experience, and some joyous occassions too, but all of these would be dwarfed in comparison to the glorious ending.
So when the Father gave His Son, it wasn't a gamble. Even when Jesus was sweating blood in Gethsemane, the Father had already seen the joy that the Son would experience after His death and resurrection, upon saving mankind.
2. Immortality - Even if the Father wished to die in Jesus' place, that simply wasn't possible. God, by nature, is immortal and eternal. No part of Himself can begin to live or die. Only His creations can do that. If God were to take control of a human body, that wouldn't be conception (the beginning of a real human being). It would be possession. It would be no different from you entering a car in order to drive it for a short while, and then abandon it once you are done. And in that scenario, it would not be God that died for the sins of the world, but the human body, just like when a car crashes but you yourself are untouched, then it's the car that has been damaged, not you.
God exists as spirit, not as flesh. And if a conscious spirit takes a hold of a human body, we call that possession, not birth. And if a conscious spirit leaves a human body, we don't call that death. For example, when the Holy Spirit left Samson, neither the Holy Spirit nor Samson died in that instance. Similarly, if the Spirit of God were to possess an empty human body and then leave it, no real human being would have died, because no real human being would have began to live in the first place.
3. Man had to die for man's sake, in order to absolve man - Just like a man was responsible for the death of mankind, a man was responsible for the life of mankind. Paul goes into detail on this in Romans and 1 Corinthians, and so does the author of Hebrews. So I won't add much to that, but only refer you to Romans 5:6-21; 1 Corinthians 15:20-22; Hebrews 2:10-18; 5:1-11.
So I know that many people believe that Jesus had to be God in order for Him qualify as a perfect sacrifice for sins, but the text actually insists that He had to be a man "in every way like His brethren" in order to qualify as a sacrifice for the sins of men. Jesus had to meet only two conditions: be unblemished (sinless), and be a man. And though God meets one of these conditions, the fact that He is God would disqualify Him. The same argument that the author uses in Hebrews 2:16-17 to rule out that Jesus was an angel, also rules out Jesus from being anything else other than a human being. Because if the sacrifice wouldn't work if Jesus were an angel, how then would it work if Jesus was God? And I believe that if the author of Hebrews were Trinitarian, he would have done as modern theology scholars do, and tried to argue why Jesus had to be God in order to die for sins. But that's not what he does, is it? He argues that Jesus had to be a man.
John Piper, what precisely did you mean when you said: “Christians communicate a falsehood to unbelievers when we act as if policies and laws that protect life and freedom are more precious than being a certain kind of person”? Brave words for a coddled, white American pastor. Would this play well in Nigeria where Christian’s are being killed en masse? Or Nagorno-Karabakh? Or China? N Korea? How about living in a place where they have no laws preserving life or freedom before making such an absurd pronouncement?
You've been crying since 2020. It's now 2024 and you still have no clue. Time to give up the Trump worship
i'm pretty sure piper believes in God having resurrection power, and believes all will be eternally existent. in that case, everything in this life is not worth holding onto, since he/calvinists believe there is a more glorious reality awaiting those who God has elected