What REALLY Happened at The Council of Nicaea?
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- I got the great privilege to sit with my friend and brother in Christ, Wesley Huff, and ask him to talk about this. I would consider Wesley to be an expert on this sort of topic, so I find what he has to say on this topic to be very compelling and hopefully will be to you too.
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For as much as Christians put their faith in the Bible, I find it so sad that so many don't know how we got the Bible and the origins of scripture. I have had to do a lot of digging to get some good understanding of this as it isn't taught in the pulpit and I am so surprised that it isn't. Knowing this is so foundational as it is one of the biggest things under attack today. Thanks for sharing.
Whenever Melissa says "one more question", you know she's really restraining herself because she probably has a hundred more questions in her mind 😂
Columbia-esqu? 😉 trench coat and old car for Melissa. Appreciate your vids.
UA-cam needs a love button! Thank you two for being vessels for God’s purpose!
I recently had a Muslim tell me that the council of Nicea essentially created the Trinity! I wasn't sure where to start researching, so this couldn't have come at a better time. Thank you so much for making a video on this topic! Edit: Just finished watching it 😊 I'm going to rewatch and take notes after I get my daughter to bed and I'll be able to better inform the Muslim that I'm talking with!
That is true. They also changed the formula for baptism from baptizing in the name of Jesus to using the phrase in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
Muslims would use arguments to try and dismiss Christianity...they are really good at that, just know your bible well and avoid these ideologies, it is only God's power that can win any argument as described by Paul in both 1st and 2nd Corinthians.
She did an interview with a person on his book Tactics (using the Colombo method) which might help you in the future. I’m sorry but his name is escaping my mind at the moment 😖
@@corsairusawc because thats what bible teaches
@@corsairusawc listen to this video carefully...don't make up stuff by yourself and fool others
I love this. I’m a historian myself, still working on my degrees. This is a nice framework that gives me stuff to look up later and study. Thank you.
may GOD guide you and bless you sister. amen
I have been unitarian my entire life, but recently have been interested in challenging some of my beliefs in regards to the trinity. This video is very interesting, and definitely inspires me to rethink some things.
I'm just right now on the opposite way. It's weird, not easy. God bless
You better pray long and hard about this!
I could easily become a church history geek if all I had to do was listen to history teachers like this very enlightening & informational because I'm not a dedicated reader unfourtanetly. My attention span is short when reading till my eyes go shut & I find myself asleep.cant wait till I can come across another history lesson. Thanks Melissa & Wesley!@
Amen in the mighty name of Jesus Christ 😇👏🏾😇❤️ so thankful and grateful that I saw this video 😇👏🏾😇❤️
I had a coworker who used to be a Pastor who told me the Bible was put together by a council and that the Bible was FULL of human error because it was "made by men for men" and this is so unbiblical!!! LOL I can't wait to present him with this new i for and hopefully put his heart and hope back in the living word and Jesus!
Dear Melissa:
I very much enjoyed this video with Wesley Huff (a fellow Canadian and scholar). I was also quite pleased to see that you recommended his UA-cam channel as one of your “Ten(ish) Recommended.” I couldn’t agree more.
I just wanted to pass on to you that our denomination recites the Nicene Creed at every service of Holy Communion, as follows:
“I believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, And of all things visible and invisible:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, Begotten of the Father before all worlds; God, of God; Light, of Light; Very God, of very God; Begotten, not made; Being of one substance with the Father; Through whom all things were made: Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, And was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, And was made man, And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, And the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, And ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead: Whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, The Lord, The Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins. And I look for the Resurrection of the dead, And the Life of the world to come. Amen.”
[Please don’t let the rather archaic language throw you for a loop. As Traditional (i.e., Orthodox) Anglicans, we still use the 1962 Canadian Book of Common Prayer or “BCP.” By the way, the original BCP - or “Prayer Book” - was enacted by the first Act of Uniformity of King Edward VI of England in 1549 (it having been chiefly compiled by Thomas Cranmer, who became Archbishop of Canterbury in 1533 during King Henry VIII’s reign)].
Additionally, all other rites and/or worship services contained in the BCP (e.g., Morning & Evening Prayer; The Ministration of Holy Baptism; The Order for Confirmation; The Solemnization of Matrimony; The Burial of the Dead; etc.) make use of the Apostles’ Creed, as follows:
“I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, Born of the Virgin Mary, Suffered under Pontius Pilate, Was crucified, dead, and buried: He descended into hell; The third day he rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost; The holy Catholic Church; The Communion of Saints; The Forgiveness of sins; The Resurrection of the body, And the Life everlasting. Amen.”
Anyway, to say the least, my wife and I are "big fans" of your channel and - as former youth workers and Christian Educators - are very much looking forward to the video series you are currently producing with your 10-year-old daughter, Jasmine.
In the meantime, we will keep you, your most powerful (and much-needed!) ministry, and your family very much in our daily prayers. Please stay healthy and safe.
Yours in Christ,
Father Alan
@@Jeaux_Bleaux you call your earthly Dad father yes?
It’s like LORD and Lord in the Bible, the word may seem the same but the title isn’t equal
Hi we use that today in the kirk o scotland but its like rote learning when you start to reflect on the manings you can see the open mouthed realisations
This is AWESOME you guys! I want to play it on loud speakers out my window to the whole city! I look forward to coming back at my "you're brainwashed' unbelieving friends with the question of where they get their credentials in theology.... which I know is Dan Brown and Indiana Jones. I know the real reason is that they just love their sin more than they love to learn. Wesley is spot on...LAZINESS is the reason. Thank you for this extremely helpful discussion. I will share it with my friends and we will all be edified. God bless you, Melissa! I'm going to check out Wesley's blog :)
I respect the work you're doing. So many misconceptions are taught these days and it's so refreshing to find solid Biblical teaching. This interview is fascinating. I will definitely come back to it. I would like to know if you've heard about World Mission Society Church of God. It is a sectarian church and the teachings are a mix of Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness and craziness. My daughter is involved in that sect that by the way, has millions of followers and I would love for you to talk about it. I would write more but this is a comment and not a dissertation. 😂 I just pray you will feel curious to know a bit about it. At the moment my daughter won't speak to me or let me see my grandkids. Their beliefs have a lot to do with that. To give you an idea, they think the Holy Spirit is a woman living in Korea and they believe in God the Father and god the mother, who is supposed to be Jerusalem.
@Tim Tim Yes, Mike Winger is the man to go to for understanding of the World Mission Society from a Christian perspective.
Oh...wow...I'm not familiar with this heresy.
Hi, Melissa! I've found you recently. Thanks for your job. I would like to tell you a lot of things but I don't speak or write English very well. God bless you. Un abrazo desde México.
This... was... PHENOMENAL! Thanks MD and thanks to your special guest for the easy to follow breakdown.
That was such a great video, helps me defending against people who like to give the DaVinci code some kind of authority
This is a fantastic program. I have had many questions about the Council of Nicea and there are so many lies about it. Thank you so much!
This takes me back to church history and systematics in the divinity faculty at Aberdeen University. It totally gobsmacked me when preaching during the vacancy at the church where I was the older adult paster that no one there had heard of the council and the impact on faith now.
I am grateful for this. It’s so hard to good info on this council. I have prayed and ask God about when things really began to go wrong in the Church, the First Council of Nicaea always comes to my mind, but research for it is always filled with speculation and myth. I am definitely going to dig into the references he offered.
The Christian church was 1 for the first 1,000 years. After that it got skewed
Thank you Melissa & Wesley for this very informative discussion. I enjoyed it very much and it is important for the Saints to be equipped to help them distinguish the truth from the lie. God bless you both! Shalom 💐
According to our apostle paul’s ministry in The King James Bible,we are only saved by believing The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1st Corinthians Chapter 15 verse 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross,spilled His Blood for all of our sins,was buried and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ Spilled Blood is what saves you when you believe this plan of salvation with your heart.
That’s correct. However, who sent Jesus Christ to die fir our sins?
I appreciate your work here on you tube. Thank you.
I don't know if you know about the work of Justo González. He is a very respected theologian who wrote an encyclopedia that is now a very big book about the history of Christianity. He also explains very well about this theme. I think his work is in English. It is used in seminaries.
I have. Great Historian.
Used his book in my Christian History and Theology 2 class my senior year of college
This was very educational, learning a lot. Thank you for doing this.
We in the academic world always talk about the time after Jesus died, and preachers always say after The Resurrection.
I actually don't know why it took me so long to finally see your channel Melissa, but I am very, very glad I did. God bless you! And Wesley as well :)
I’m working on my M.Div. I need to keep track of him. This is a fascinating area!
Yaaaay! Very excited for this. This issue has caused a LOT of stumbling.
Thank you for interview and posting. Very interesting and helpful. I have a very human answer to people when they ask me how I can believe that God is triune. A middle eastern Christian once told his middle eastern Muslim friend that he himself was a multifaceted individual His friend was indeed a father, a husband, and a son.. His friend accepted the God could be triune without be one of 3 Gods. It was his first step to understand Christ as God .
Mr. Huff is correct that the trinity was not invented at the Council of Nicea. However, he gets some facts wrong. For example, he said that Arius was influenced by Socrates of Constantinople. Constantinople didn't even exist yet. Furthermore, Socrates of Constantinople wasn't even born yet. He also states, there was no Papal office established at the time. Even secular historians can list all the Popes beginning with Peter. I suspect that Mr. Huff has only been reading Protestant text books and not the actual writings of the early Christians.
Tons of people I meet online think there is no true Bible because of disagreements over which books are canon
Everyone should believe in Devine Intervention. We should believe that what is put into the Bible is what we need to know. Men will always disagree on certain things but we should be in agreement that the Bible is exactly the Word of God. Like Melissa says the Bible is a living thing. We should always pray for the truth we seek God will lead us to answer our questions. I have found that sometimes God will put my hand and fingers on a certain place and answers my questions quickly. But other times I am not led quickly I believe because I need the Foundation of what I am led to before my questions or concerns are answered. Reading the Bible in my sixties I see things I didn't see when I read the same thing in my earlier year's. It is growing in the Spirit and obtaining Wisdom of just being blessed to make it to my elderly years. Your comment is true but we have to have that Faith that God made sure everything in His Word is what we need to know.
This is fascinating! I hope there are books about this to read.
The Petrine Primacy was established biblically and confirmed by the Church fathers since the apostolic times. In other words, the primacy of the Bishop of Rome existed long before the Council of Nicaea. The Council of Nicaea still needed the Pope's approval before it became binding on the universal Church.
Amazing content as always!
I'm very eager for the upload with ur daughter!! ❤️🙌🙌🙌
You have some great UA-cam video's but this was far and beyond the best I have heard. I throughly enjoyed listening and learning from Wesley and am heading to his website. Thanks Melissa.
A book 📖 that can help. “The Apostasy That Wasn’t”. By Rod Bennett. He also had a talk on this on a program called. “The Journey Home”. Also Wesley reminds me by voice, of Dr. Matthew Bunson. An American author, more than 50 books, historian, professor, editor, theologian, and more! That’s seems to be interesting. He too is on “The Journey Home”, program. With many other wonderful people. Dr. Scott Hahn, Dr. David Anders, Johanette Williams (has a program called “Women of Grace”, on Wednesday’s with Sue Brinkman, they talk about the errors of the New Age). Tim Staples, Steve Ray, Patrick Madrid, just so many people to learn more about God, from brother’s and sister’s as you both. Greetings and blessings. 01/26/21.
Sabellius was teaching what the third century Popes were teaching! Sabellius attended the Theological School of Rome which was against the Trinity. As politics gave way to Trinitarian Popes, the strong views of Monotheism and Monarchianism were branded as heresy. Why doesn't Huff mention any of this?
Athanasius comments about Judith and the other books showed what was and is always clearly understood and that was that there was a primary canon of OT scripture and then a second Deuterocanon of books. He also includes Esther in this second canon which is a puzzle for those trying to use Athanasius as a support for their rejection of the Deuterocanon. Admittedly he does say that they are not canonical but what he means is that they are part of the second canon and not the first. He also admits that "these books are indeed read in churches by those new to the faith who "wish for instruction in the word of godliness" which is exactly the same terminology he used to describe the first canon. So in practical terms there is no difference between the usage and the esteem in the churches between the first canon books and the Deuterocanon. They all used and regarded both canons as scripture.
Thank you so much for taking the time to clear this up. I really wish I’d had this information in college.
Wow...excellent! Thank you, Mellissa and also thank you to Wesley! :) God bless you guys!
46:00 the thrill of transgression, harmonizes beautifully with gen 3 and temptation of forbidden fruit. thank you guys, this is very needed,thank God he led me to this!
The Book of Judith is in the Catholic Bible.
No it isn’t.
Keep it up. Content is on point. God bless
I would like to know your views on the sabbath keeping (not talking about adventist church) Did you or will you talk about this issue? The Lord gave me this passage when I asked him to show me If I should follow the Sabbath . I was praying and actually didnt knew much of The letter to hebrews... Hebrew 4:4-5. Upon reading it I was amazed! I red all of Hebrew 3 and 4 and this confirms that we have to keep the sabbath day ! - I recently learned that the sabbath was followed by the moon calendar making the sabbath not always on saturday... What do you think about this? Oh and thanks for all your videos concerning the new age lies that have gain most of the churches today. I was part of one and I decided to leave that church.
I would like to know more in this also
“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ”.
Colossians 2:16-17 | KJV
Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27
Hope this helps.
This was amazing! Huge blessing... I actually started reading into this topic a while back and came to the conclusion: "this isnt what everyone says the council of nicea was about..."
Very thankful for this Melissa and Wesley!
Always so excited to see when u have a new video! Always great content girl!! God bless your ministry 😁😘
With the point that God is one, but also is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, this is because God is their surname.
I really like this channel.. My usual go to is Mike from On Point Preparedness.. You both kind of do the same thing, expose dangerous doctrine, but he's coming out of a hebrew roots experience (which I never knew about). And when I look at Melissa's guest talk about their new age experiences, I'm like hey, I experienced half of that when I went full blown psychotic break down.. no one taught me anything.. it seems the demons use the same tools to hurt us, in my case almost destroyed my marriage.
Well articulated and easy to follow. I hope he writes a book about this.
I learned that the Council of Nicea did indeed set the Canon found in the Bible. Books that were thought to be heretical were left out. This process did cause me to question and stumble for at least a decade or two. The question that still burns in my heart is this: Why aren't there any writings that cover Jesus' life from age 13 to 29? In my studies, I found books that describe someone named St. Issa who traveled through India teaching, preaching, healing, and working great miracles. And I always thought that so many teenagers and young adults would have benefited from stories of Jesus going through that same time period.
Very interesting, thank you. For a rather different view of Arius, see 'Arius: Heresy and Tradition' by Rowan Williams (2002). From the blurb :
"Rowan Williams argues that Arius himself was actually a dedicated theological conservative whose concern was to defend the free and personal character of the Christian God. His "heresy" grew out of an attempt to unite traditional biblical language with radical philosophical ideas and techniques and was, from the start, involved with issues of authority in the church. Thus, the crisis of the early fourth century was not only about the doctrine of God but also about the relations between emperors, bishops, and "charismatic" teachers in the church's decision-making."
Feb 24 is my birthday too Wesley!! but not 303AD......
My favorite so far of your broadcasts. Thx Wesley and Melissa.
That's a great video. I learned a lot! Could you please talk with him again about the formation of the papacy? That's something I would like to learn about.
Thanks for posting this video.
Here's a great video about the papacy: ua-cam.com/video/tJ8ZfhULZDg/v-deo.html
I really love this...
Wow, this is so beautifully explained!! Love it. Thank you for sharing. Church history is SO fascinating, isn't it?
Minor thing, but your title is spelled incorrectly. :) It should be Nicaea.
Thank you so much for telling me! 🙂
@@MelissaDougherty You're most welcome. I've made that same mistake, myself!
This was helpful! Could you help with understanding the books that are mentioned in the Bible like the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher and the history it?
The Apocrypha. Always wondered why the Book of Enoch wasn't put in the Bible. Since Enich was the first Person to write and take notes. You would think that maybe his Book would be after Geniuses. I do know that the Disciples used to Books of the Apocrypha as learning or teachings. For some reason I never wanted to dabble in the Apocrypha because of the Time of it's Existence. But I have always been tempted.
I believe in one God The Father and one Savior Jesus the Christ the son of the living God
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (the Word became flesh and lived among us), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7
Amen brother
...image of "all the books" on the table at Nicea priot to the printing press and book binding.
Perhaps a nit, but the phrase the gentleman used, "after Christ's death" kind of bothered me since Jesus did die, as he said, be he also resurrected and ascended... I think there's a difference there... He perhaps meant that, but just wanted to mention it.... thank you for this Melissa...
As A witness to a catholic , this is invaluable!!
Melissa, I’ve watched a couple of your videos and I think you are spot on with the scripture always being the source of truth. Personally, I grew up Seventh Day Adventist and the Trinity is one our fundamental beliefs, officially introduced in 1980. I can say, like Paul, that I was zealous for my church but Jesus shook me up in 2017 when a friend of mine said the Trinity was false doctrine. After months of not wanting to touch the subject, I decided it was time but I didn’t want to be taught by any man. I said Lord you’ll have to teach me through your word. And I can say the Lord answered my prayer through the book of John. The scripture says the truth shall set you free and it most certainly did. I encourage you to study what God says and not man. Be blessed 🙏🏼 (Exercise to start, here are 3 verses that mention all 3, Mat. 28:19, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1Peter 1:2, connect all 3, who is God?)
The Lord established a church to continue his teachings. The church is there to make sure you don't misinterpret what you read. Heretics never set out to become heretics. They are convinced that the Holy Spirit has led them to the truth. Yet, they ended up becoming heretics. Only the church can be trusted. You are free to study the Bible but only insofar you don't contradict the church's authoritative interpretation.
Feb 24 🙌🏻… my birthday as well! Wonderful interview! Thank you both!
Really well explained. 😊
There is a guy who tagged me on here with a video saying the council had put 1 000 s of books on a table & ones that were on the top of the stack the next morning were kept & rest were burnt. I dont believe that
Thanks for this video. Blessings to you both.
Trinity, I don’t see that word in the Bible at all, I do see Godhead as the scriptures say
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (the Word became flesh and lived among us), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7
Keep in mind that the word “Bible” isn’t in the text either. Blessings.
@@long2baproverbs31woman2
“Three are One”, Not! ‘3 in 1’!
What about the changing of the Sabbath to Sunday?
I suspect this was VERY early, just based on the use of "the Lord's day" in the Apocalypse of John which is unquestionably late 1st century.
The Catholics. The CC believes that it was their "mark" (interesting choice of words there) of authority to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
Some say it’s because the apostle Paul and others came together to break bread and Paul preached until midnight. Acts 20:7. So it’s considered leaving the laws of the old testament and stepping into the age of saved by Grace. Old Testament the people made sacrifices to wash away their sins and met the last day of the week. And lived by laws. Jesus fulfilled the law, animal sacrifices done away with and everyone stepped into the new beginning. So meeting together on the first day symbolizes this.
That’s what I’ve heard.
Judith is in the deuterocanon/apocrypha and is kept in the Bibles of the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics. Only the RCC has aggressively pushed this group of books as totally equal to the rest of the Old Testament.
Got any proof of this? All the ancient Christians and even the apostles themselves used the Septuagint which was a Greek translation of the Old Testament which included the extra books. Both Western and Eastern Christians from the earliest times reqarded them as equal to the other books making no distinction in their treatment of them as the divine word of God. Funny, this is the whole argument that Protestants use to show that early Christians accepted all the books of the NT even before the RCC canonised them. Yet the same argument is abandoned when it comes to the extra books in the Old Testament. Ironic isn't it that with Protestants aggressively pushing the Sola Scriptura narrative, the first thing they did was strip out books from the established scripture.
The new intro looks great.
Very nice video indeed. And very useful. I personally think, that this DaVinci nice madness is really at the root of everything. Zeitgueist, mormons, islam, “Christmas is pagan” … you name it. So, “the why” is huge. Thank you for it, I think it will liberate a lot of people and give them peace and bring them closer to Jesus.
Now, I must comment on a couple things. In an hour talk about the consul the Catholic Church is mentioned a couple times, to say “It came about later + - ”… I never saw a protestant this well informed of the Council. But he literally says “The Pope, did not go to Nicea” (Something I did not know) Great video, very well informed but could this be a case of selective perception? (Peter is already given authority in the Bible. There where votes, but the Church was never a democracy, neither a dictatorship)
It wasn’t the Catholic? What Church was it then? It’s the Apostolic Catholic Church by the way. Why is there an obsession with "Roman2 and yet the "Apostolic" is alway ignored?
I don’t know, I just hope you keep pulling that thread. Be objective. Dig into the church fathers, even Jerome.
I’m not trying to be rude or funny or anything, I’m just so happy to see an Anglo Protestant who is actually up to speed with history and the beginnings of Christianity… Amazing. (Granted I'm not from the Anglo world)
I’ll just add, there where many fake gospels (and other books) as you can imagine. Many counterfeits to try and corrupt the message. The canon had to be “sealed” (later than Nicea) by the Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That’s why we can have a sacred scripture today. (That’s another one, if the Bible is your sole authority, wouldn’t you want to know, how/where does it came from?) The Bible is a Catholic book… How about that one? (Even the “first edition” of the King James has the 74 books. Look it up.
It always had the 74 books, until 1500 years later when Luther decided to take some out, because and I quote “I can, because I want to” And it’s there that all the seeds of tthis Nicea madness where planted. Because, they had to say that the Church had been corrupted and was not the “primitive church” … and since it was the first ecumenic council, it had to be that one, including the Bible canon had to be added. And we just saw how big of a joke that is.
One last thing: The thesis for Constantine being baptised by an arian on his death bed, is very strong, maybe the strongest hypotesis. But that's one of those we just don't know. Some say it was before by a legit Bishop. What we do know for sure, is that he was not that into theology. He was a military man, a brilliant leader, but not a philosher nor was he a devout Christian… or even Christian at all, one might say for most of his life at least.
His mother was a Saint, literally (Santa Helena) But the battle with the image on the shielda, we can be sure of it as well. Before and after the battle. (And there where other events) Like just before the battle he was “evoking pagan stuff” after the battle he ignores all Roman costumes when coming back. He was “exiled” by the way. The battle was a miracle, he was going to get crushed, with 100% odds. The other army was infinitely superior. We know all of that and more.
The history of the Church is way far more “interesting and exiting” than any Davinci code or Zeitguiest. But again, with all due respect, many Anglo Protestants seem to think Christianity started with King James. The time of the catacombs are insane. Constantine and St. Helena is an insane time in history. The rest of the Roman Empire is insane (Emperors tried to persecute Christians again. A Pope went to speak alone with Atilla the Hun, and this sanguinary left Rome alone)
The creation of the Christendom in Europe on the ashes of the empire, where so many inventions and art where created. The most majestic Cathedrals where built, all fighting off constant enemies, both external and internal. Muslims, pagans… all of it. Battle of Covadonga, another miracle battle. Or Le Panto, two miracles where the faith of all of Christianity was at play.
Hospitals, universities all of this was created in the Christendom and I do mean, the concept of Hospitals. The Portuguese did the impossible after many martyrs where lost at sea for 100 years, they ended up finding a way to navigate all the seas and they spread the gospels in the 4 corners of the earth. They ended, canibalism, human scarficeis… Just like the first King was told they would do, 300 years before. (After another miracle battle)
Then all it suffered, during the revolutions…
I mean… Church history is beyond more interesting than the Davinci bad fiction. And it’s so crazy no one even knows it… Again, with all due respect Anglo Protestants are usually “Davici Nicea” and Bam! King James. Crazy, but other people don't know it either. For example: the Miracle battle of the First King of Portugal (Battle/ Miracle of Ourique) is not even in Portuguese school books… Or any books form the last century...
Anyhow, said enough… just got really exited about this video… I’m sure it will help a lot of people. Just want to encourage to take his lead… and keep pulling those threads…
Jesus, founded one Church. And said he would be with it, until the end of times. He did not say, there would be 30K churches… he did not say, you will all be killed for following me for 300 years and then… a new fake thing will take over and 1500 later a German adulteror will show up, and then my message will be back…
No. he gave the Apostoles authority and told them to go teach. And he made Peter the head of them.
Jesus, himself said his Church would be here, form that moment, until the end of times. None of this Nicea madness.
Which Church can it be?
VIVA CRISTO REI !
PS: Again, wanna say congrats on the video.
If pretty much everything we hold to be true about Christianity was based on decisions made by a bunch of men at the council of Nicaea, how can we be confident that everything we believe as Christians is 100% directly from God and not based on the decisions of a group of men at a meeting? Did God's spirit guide/lead them to decide which books were to be included (and excluded) in the assembled Bible as we know it today or that the Trinitarian belief is absolutely true and not just something that a bunch of men agreed upon?
"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Yes God guided them. Jesus established a Church with the authority to make these decisions. He said the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. 2 Thess 2:15 is just one scripture which helped me to convert to the Catholic Church.
Good question and it will help you to understand that all of our Christian understanding was provided by Christ to the apostles who handed it on by Sacred Tradition. The Holy Spirit by divine action preserved this transmission of truth perfectly in just the same way that the Holy Scripture was preserved true and inerrant by the Holy Spirit. The Councils of the church are powerful places where the Holy Spirit acted through his Church to preserve the doctrines of the apostles against vicious heresies.
When I read the Bible, I think we need to update the traditional trinity diagram to just say Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is God, and not explicitly say that the three are not each other, because throughout scripture virtually everything God does is attributed to all three in different places, to name a few examples, creation, the incarnation, etc. In Isaiah and Zechariah when the Messiah is being prophesied the way the text reads is actually Yahweh saying He will send Yahweh, it’s quite amazing. Jesus says He and the Father are one, which sounds more like they are each other and not explicitly not each other like the traditional diagram says. So i think to say the father is not the son, is not the Holy Spirit, is not the father is not really accurate. I think they’re all the same without being Unitarian about it.
I agree that saying that the persons of the Trinity are "not each other" is going too far beyond the definition. They are all the same being and substance. They are one God. There are distinctions between them however and that distinctiveness is best described as different persons. These distinctions are very important to provide a proper objectively true Christian understanding of the Godhead. For a very clear explanation of the Trinity I recommend you read the Athanasian creed. This was customarily read at Prime on Sundays until the disasters of Vatican 2 which has basically discontinued its use in the modern church.
I wish you would address the story that Constantine pretended to become a Christian and made Rome Christian because it's the only way he could maintain control. I've heard this a few times and try to point out that Constantine didn't adopt Christianity and then all Rome became Christian as a political move. The Christian's we're already all through the empire living in danger. Constantine's decree did not suddenly make everyone Christian. ...and maybe, Constantine saw the truth and believed!!
Thanx for history lesson! Enjoyed it🙏
Thank you both for a very helpful discussion. In particular, it is great to know that the Canon was commonly agreed ("closed") long before Nicaea.
It is also interesting that many "modern" heresies, including the Gnosticism and Arianism found in various bits of the NAR (AKA the "Build-a-Bear" School of Theology!) are actually very old ones in the life of the Church -- and yes, I know you can argue Gnosticism goes right back to the Garden!
Your discussion highlights the fact that human nature is the same as it always has been, and so are the temptations and heresies to which we succumb. You can almost hear the devil saying, "I think we might try Gnosticism again now, as mankind seems ready for another dose...".
But, as Justin Peters (and others before him) says, "If you want to hear God speak, read your Bible out loud!".
Blessings on you and your houses!
Sabellianism is precisely what Modalistic Modalism is. The Oneness Pentecostals are Modalists (I'm a Trinitarian Pentecostal). Oneness Pentecostals are also extremely legalistic.
Truth is better ! Of course 😊
The Father has no beginning and no ending(eternal) in the beginning of creation the Word , was the the manifestation of the Spiritual into creation. The best way to understand the God head is to see the image of God, mankind, body, soul, spirit. The Spirit, Father, The Son, body, the Holy Spirit, soul. The council of Nicea, was the precursor of the Roman state church. The Bible says you will be able to decern things and determine were they have their roots by the fruit they bere. The council of Nicea is were the word trinity was established but the Apostles of Jesus did not teach it. Jesus said, when you have seen me you have seen the Father. Jesus is the flesh of God.
The early Catholic Church baptized in the name of Jesus
As it was done through out the Bible. But later changed to the trinity.
Pope Ratzinger confirmed it in his book.
I highly doubt that Ratzinger said that in his book. In any case the statement is wrong as shown from this quote from the Didache a very early Christian writing "pour water on the head thrice in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let him that baptizeth and him that is baptized fast, and any other also who are able; And thou shalt order him that is baptized to fast a day or two before." Didache 7:1-4 (c. 60-100 AD). In fact Catholics still do this three time pouring in honour of the Trinity whereas protestants mainly do the dunk or the sprinkle or the single pour.
This was fantastic !
I learnt so much. Thank you
I think it’s something that will be argued until we’re in front of god and we know the truth, but I love hearing this , I know Jews were of one god and didn’t vary from that belief but obviously some thought Christ was the messiah so will eventually know .
Great video and so informative. Thank you!
1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
Thank you for this, very interesting!
This was great. Very easy to follow.Than you both.
“Although JESUS was GOD and EQUAL WITH GOD, he did not take advantage of this equality. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the HUMBLE POSITION of a slave and WAS BORN as a HUMAN BEING. when he appeared in HUMAN FORM” - Philippians 2:5-7
(Revelation 5:11-14 equal with God)
“Be shepherds of the church of GOD, which HE BOUGHT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.” - Acts 20:28
Jesus claim those who have seen him have seen The Father
“Philip said, “Lord, show us the FATHER and that will be enough for us.”9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you KNOW ME, Philip, even after I HAVE BEEN AMONG YOU such a long time? Anyone who has SEEN ME has seen the FATHER. How can you say, ‘Show us the FATHER?” -John 14:8-9;
JESUS is known as the LAMB of GOD.
In Revelation 5:11-14 the LAMB of GOD has been given equal WORSHIP, GLORY and HONOR and POWER at the same time as the FATHER.
Revelation 5:11-14 “And I saw, and I heard a voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: ‘The LAMB that was slaughtered is worthy to receive the POWER and RICHES and WISDOM and STRENGTH and HONOR and GLORY and BLESSING.’ And every creature that is in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, I heard saying: ‘To the ONE SITTING on the THRONE and to the LAMB be the BLESSING and the HONOR and the GLORY and the MIGHT FOREVER and EVER’ And the four living creatures went saying: ‘Amen!’ and the elders fell down and WORSHIP.”
Revelation 4:11 “You are worthy, our Lord and GOD (Father) , even our GOD (Christ), to receive the GLORY and the HONOR and the POWER, because you CREATED ALL THINGS , and because of you will they existed and were created.”
In Revelation 4:11, GOD is said to be worthy of receiving GLORY, HONOR and POWER. By comparing this to Revelation 5:12, we see that JESUS is worthy to receive not only GLORY, HONOR and POWER, RICHES, WISDOM, STRENGTH and BLESSING. So, Jesus gets twice as much WORSHIP as GOD according to this verse!
Revelation 5:13 goes on to say that every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth and on the sea gives WORSHIP to the One SITTING on the THRONE and to the LAMB. If every creature in existence is worshipping, this must mean that JESUS is not a creature. So, the only other option left is that Jesus is the CREATOR who is certainly worthy to receive all WORSHIP.
Revelation 5:13-14 make it obvious that the ONE SITTING on the THRONE and the LAMB are both GIVEN EQUAL WORSHIP by the heavenly occupants.
Men are creatures; angels are creatures that are above men. But JESUS IS ABOVE the angels and is not classed with them When GOD brings his FIRSTBORN into the world, HE says,“Let all God’s angels WORSHIP HIM.” - Hebrews 1:6) In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” We have seen that He is not an angel nor an exalted man, but the Bible attributes to Him that which can only be said of GOD. I
Great interview, I learned so much!
The Nicaean creed says "I believe in one holy apostolic catholic church" . Why does it say "Catholic" and not Christian?
Because Catholic means universal, it’s a way of saying it’s “all encompassing”
What about the council of constinople. Which solidified the doctrine of the trinity, and in my opinion, diverted the church from monotheism, and brought the church to the doors of tritheism.
Excellent and thorough discussion. Well worth a listen. 👍
The begotten text is an anthropomorphism. The word is a deliberate comparison to humanity, as the anthro teaches. But never mind all that - doctrine is divisive; yes, thereby we divide truth from error! :P
How can the Word be a deliberate comparison to humanity if the Word is also God? Would that not be suggesting that humanity = God, which is heresy?
The Gospel of John, Chapter 1
John 1:1-5 clearly states the divinity of “The Word”.
John 1:1 (KJV) “1 In the beginning was the Word,” - stating that the Word existed before the creation of the world - “and the Word was with God,” - stating that the Word has a relationship with God - “and the Word was God.” - not only does the Word have a relationship with God, but the Word also is God, therefore God must be at least two persons.
John 1:2-3 (NIV) “2 He was with God in the beginning.” - making it very clear that the Word was with God before the creation of the world, thus having the eternal attribute that makes him divine - “3 Through him all things were made;” - everything that was ever created into existence was made through the Word - “without him nothing was made that has been made.” - in other words, without the Word no created thing could ever exist.
John 1:4-5 (NIV) “4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.” - The Word possesses something essential to mankind’s nature, without it mankind can’t exist properly -
“5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.” - The everlasting life that the eternal Word possesses cannot be put out.
John 1:6-14 clarifies who “The Word” is.
John 1:6-8 (NIV) “6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.”
We see John confirming who “The Word” is in John 1:29-36 (NIV) “29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ 31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.” 32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.” 35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
Therefore, Jesus is The Word. This means that Jesus existed before the creation of the world, Jesus has a relationship with God (The Father), Jesus was with God (The Father) before the creation of the world, and that Jesus is God (shares the same nature as God the Father). Everything that was ever created into existence was made through Jesus, Son of God, and everlasting life is found in Him.
Back to verses 9-14, these verses further clarify who Jesus was, “9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God- 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
You explained this very well! I definitely learned a lot. Knowing this will help clear up misconceptions.
Thank you Melissa and Wesley, u have helped me a lot..I had been recently mislead that achrophya (sp) was ok to examine to confirm canonical scripture!! I am repenting right now, I pray God forgives me in Christ Jesus!! So much deception out there..I would like to know if Christmas is ok..I hear roots of it are pagan..I am confused on that issue as well as Easter..ok I can stick to canon of scripture..ty again so much God bless you all!!
Mike Winger has a few videos about Christmas. I really recommend his channel 😊
I've researched this topic a fair bit, but at the end of the day, I believe it really comes down to your relationship with God. Study what you can, and then "whether you eat or drink" (or celebrate a holiday) do it all for the Glory of God. For example, I have a bunch of Nativity sets and I leave the Wisemen in them, even though I know they weren't at His birth, and whether there were three of them is hotly contested. I know what I know, but they are still beautiful and remind me to be joyful in Him. I pray you, and all of us, will keep seeking for what delights our awesome Father!
The bible says to not worship Him with the ways of the Pagans. There is a freedom in Christ, but the saying of, " as long as you do it in love and reverence of God, it is ok." NO IT'S NOT. The Hebrews built the golden calf to worship God. He was not ok w that, he was angry. I was like you, but my eyes were opened. You need to read the word and not be led.by men who worship other men. Be a berean. You will change your mind once you see the atrocious pagan practices and origins of Christmas amd Easter. God established Passover Not easter. God is the same yesterday and today. God bless.
Very informative but there is still going to be ppl who dont believe this. I tried to watch a video on aHindu guru or something so he is explain the different between Hinduism and Christianity and talked about the "missing" yrs of Jesus and the bk of Thomas
The missing years idea always bothers me because it's a comparison between the Bible and today's biographies. They're no biblical examples of what they would expect to find in the Bible and it just shows a misunderstanding of ancient literature.
So in conclusion if an atheist arguments are
1. Any birth not by normal sexual relations is a virgin birth
2. Any issues in history blame Nicea.
As they say.... a lie is halfway around the world, before the truth gets out of bed...
Only God has the absolute truth
I read somewhere earlier this year that St Nicholas punched another member of the council of Nicaea in the face.
The Nicene Creed failed to settle the doctrinal argument of trinitarian theology. Til this day it’s debatable.