I was a KTM dealer in the US for 25 years. They have allot of amazing people working for them and we have built lasting friendships. When they bought Husky and started making white KTMs it was all about market share in the off road field, Then they start with Gas Gas and make red KTMs and it worked at first thanks to Covid but now it all is coming back to roost. World economics and market saturation is crippling them. Years ago when I visited the factory they said half the worlds racing budget was for Dakar now they race Moto GP with KTM and GAS GAS. No matter how much Red Bull helps it has to be straining there resources. My take is cut back on brands and racing, Take care of your reliability problems that have alienated so many customers because without them you will go bankrupt.
They clearly didnt learn from the original reason they went bankrupt , poor quality and reliability problems . No amount of controlling the narrative with there billion dollar marketing , controlling the bad press of the reality of ownership. 2008 onwards low standards ongoing .
The other point too, is that there was reasons why the brands they bought, were available for purchase too. You can't just absorb and prop up a number of failing (financially) companies, without being caught up in the the same situations that were already plaguing those companies... There just isn't as much customer dollars being thrown around for higher quality bikes these days. Global financial pressures have a reasonably high number of people in first world countries, working poor, and struggling to meet their basic needs (food, utilities and transport etc l
Yea KTM's poor quality doesn't help, Bad camshafts, poor air filtration, et al. coupled with a company that doesn't seem to care and does nothing about it.
The problem is, they can't. I remember when they introduced the KTM duke 250 in my country to fight the MT25 and Ninja 250. Just to get shiddid on by a 150cc underbone that has better power to weight ratio, better handling, and to make it even more painful, optional quick shifter that is comparable to the 600s. To add sulfur to the wound, it got blasted to oblivion with Kawasaki releasing the ZX25R that also killed the 390s at the same price.
Ktm new slogan is no bullshit Also KTM wants pp to pay extra for rider ads and still hasn't finished solving the cam issue while pp could get Japanese bikes for cheaper prices and better quality
Many people in the U.S.A have boycotted them over moving products to China. We refuse to pay a premium for bikes with kymco cylinders and refuse to support their layoffs. This is not because of interest rates
1 kymco isn't china, and they only made a cylinder during a time where the supply was weak. The ONLY machine that got outsourced was the 790, and KTM is FAR from the only company outsourcing bikes from China. Looking at you Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Suzuki.
@JeffGriffithGGC KYMCO is literally an acronym for Kwang Yang Motor Co, Ltd. It is and always will be Chinese. The still use their parts on the off road bikes today.
@peaceprayer595 We can 90% The problem isn't necessarily China. It's that people continue to support Companies who made good products in the past and then get greedy and sell out our jobs and their quality of products. Do we get the discounts or extra support for their shit products?? No never. There are many great companies globally who still run their businesses off of ethics and product quality.
It is no wonder KTM are going under. I can only account for my awful experience. Brand new 1290s that had issues from the moment I left the showroom. Serious oil leak. 7 weeks even to get the bike into the showroom due to a huge shortage of techs across the UK. 3 months to resolve the oil leak, so they say. I rode home. Same oil leak. KTM had the bike for another 2 months. I rode bike home unbelivably same oil leak. The dealer and whole UK KTM network see you as a problem not a frustrated customer. After 8 months and legal advice I returned the bike to KTM and got a full refund. Basically Rejecting the goods due to above issues. They was not happy. I am aware I am not the only one that was in this position. What they could not replace was 8 months of biking lost.
I had a test ride on an 890 adv at my local KTM dealer last week. I noticed when looking around the showroom that 3 of the bikes in there appeared to have small puddles of oil/coolant underneath them. I was pretty miffed to be honest, brand new bikes on the showroom floor and they had what appears to be leaks from the engine! Kinda put me off buying one now, the bike I test rode was great, but after reading lots of horror stories about the camshafts and coolant leaks etc on most bikes I might look at something else. It's a shame, as for the money the KTM's have a spec which usually surpasses their competitors.
Purchased a "24" 300SX last year. First KTM I purchased was a 2011 450SXF which I still have and I also own a 2012 250SX and a 2015 450SX-F. The bikes are becoming more difficult to maintain now often requiring a laptop using proprietary software to troubleshoot. They are complicating these bikes adding features that nobody wants! Driving the prices up and now using more and more non-European parts like the Taiwanese KYMCO cylinder on my new 24. What's the point of buying a KTM anymore when half the bike uses outsourced parts from Asia? Might as well just buy one of the big four Japanese bikes and save some money! Beta and Sherco also use a lot of outsourced parts. I'm 68 years old now and unlikely to buy another new bike from any manufacturer but things sure have changed since I first started riding dirt bikes back in the 60's!
The problem is that the big four old dinosaurs doesn't care about the market in different ways. They basically only offer 250f and 450f mx and then slightly modified they call it enduro. Still not the widely popular 350f, still no 2-strokes (except the yz 250 that apparently exists on some markets). The only japanese bike i would consider for woods enduro is the Yamaha wr 250. There's even a company that build enduro bikes with Honda base in 300 and 400 versions, but they still don't have a 6 speed wide ratio gearbox. While KTM brands, Beta, Sherco, TM racing all have a wide variety of bikes built from the ground up for enduro.
@@99Yeti Nobody really needs it, i think it's has more to do with being able to sell the bikes plated and registered. On the European market there hasn't been any new carbed street bikes for at least 15 years. Dirtbikes continued longer, but now i think it's only Beta and Sherco 2-strokes that somehow slips through the system. Probably because they are below some limit on how many bikes sold. They are also choked down and registered with a ridiculously low power. Please note this is only qualified speculation.
@@bradsanders6954 It was their denial and lack of response that put me off, I couldn't justify buying ANY bike knowing that if it happened to me they wouldn't give a fk
Correct -- and the camshaft issue is just the latest in long-running issues that they've denied, ignored, or just fixed quietly in the background in model updates while forcing impacted customers to pay for repairs, with warranties worth nothing... rocker arms and cam chain tensioners on 690 engines, failed fuel pumps on multiple models, poor electrics due to lack of QC, speedos full of condensation. All of this is fine, but what many have experienced is rude, arrogant dealers. I had a failed fuel pump within months on a 690... dealer said they would replace under warranty but I had to pay labour of $500. So I bought an aftermarket one and did it myself. Same story with cam chain tensioner after 6 months. I had to strip the bike to properly terminate the wiring loom -- bare wires everywhere. Fantastic performing bikes... loved my 690 and by the time I sold it, I had got it into reliable condition after a lot of wrenching and mods. Much as I like their bikes, I wouldn't buy from KTM again though.
I don't disagree that KTM is having trouble and needs to up it's game(particularly in Quality Control and design). BUT, at the start of the video you say that KTM lost 2.5 billion dollars. From what I can tell, the chart that you show is their market capitalization(share price vs number of shares) so they didn't actually LOSE 2.5 billion dollars, their share prices just went down a LOT which reduced their market cap by 2.5 billion (still not great) so not the same thing at all as losing 2.5 billion dollars in earnings. Not disagreeing that they're aren't in trouble, just trying to clarify 👍
Correct, not the same thing at all. Also it is Pierer Mobility as a whole, not KTM. Their biggest loser was the electric bikes not the motorcycles. This is blown out of proportion. KTM is not going out of business.
Biggest problem is the shareholders want an increasingly bigger dividend on their investment at the expense of us the buyer. Pay more, get less is the new pandemic. It's called GREED.
Nailed it. Its got nothing to do with building a premium motorcycle platform its ONLY about shareholders' quarterly profits. When a group of investors whom have ZERO passion for what they own nothing but a financial train wreck will follow.
Premium price for low quality and poor reliability. Once you have purchased a KTM, they dont stand buy their product. They can not keep sweeping the issues under the rug. There are far too many unhappy customers ventilating their dissatisfaction on social media. It's a constant PR nightmare.
Exactly. Here in Slovenia, just a few kilometres from KTM they were ALWAYS known for their problems and reliability problems. And we are talking about bikes that were quite pricey compared to competition. And now they are high priced made in China products, that's even worse. Funny enough, CFmoto quads are quite popular here and now they have started to sell motorcycles, and I wonder what might future bring about CFMoto that are at least low priced made in China products, compared to high priced KTMs.
I have been a KTM fan , for 15 years now. Absolutely loved all the KTM 's I've had over the years. From enduro bikes to road bikes. BUT - have just had a 390 adventure serviced at my local KTM dealer in South africa 🇿🇦 . (7500km service)... it cost me 3 times as much as my car service (which was a 15000km service) So NO MORE !!!
Honestly it’s the worldwide inflation after Covid that is finally catching up to people. I’m definitely feeling it. Groceries are more expensive. Everything is more expensive. People don’t have money to buy dirt bikes as much as they used to.
Spot on. I know people especially those that race that got a new bike every year or two and now they’re extending their life cycle by a few more years. We have 7 bikes and nothing newer than 2020 and it’ll probably be that way for the foreseeable future
Every restaurant is packed like never before, go to a Lexus or BMW dealer on a Saturday and it's busy as hell. Vacation bookings are at an all time high. People have money now in the US and are spending. As long as they do prices will rise. It's the sign of a booming economy. The US GDP growth is many times better than any developed nation. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. They want you to think that because corporate profits are at a record high. Vote to enrich the billionaires more. Go ahead.
Correct. The mass money creation during 2020 and 2021 have had an ongoing lag effect. Trump or Biden mattered not within the US. The US Fed and other "reserve" banks created dollars like crazy.
Hahaha, Yamaha shouldn’t even be put in the same sentence as KTM especially when we are talking about offroad, Best enduro & motocross bikes off the showroom floor and its not even debatable 😂
You can only screw your customer base for so long. Retail 101: Kick people on your way up the ladder and they'll boot you back twice as hard on your way down it.
You are a mouth with a keyboard. Go buy a V-Strom. KTM sales are up , in the real world away from keyboard commandos they build great bikes. Nothing like them. Local dealer sold 14 890R's like mine, not a one came back with issues.
We are a Husky and GASGAS dealer in MA. Been doing this with KTM group for over 10 yrs now. By far the best customer service from A dealer perspective and have never had one warrantee issue/ claim denied by KTM. They have always stood behind their product and taken care of the customers 100%. I believe there are a lot of dealers that do not have the technicians qualified to actually repair the motorcycles properly should an issue arise…. Not common and we sell 250+ units a year. I’ve talked to some pretty high ups at KTM over the past few weeks with several concerns from our level. And I’m very confident they will continue to be the number 2 wheel company in the market place.
Rode and bought ktm's all my life , currently have a ktm 790 adventure and spent close to 20k on it rally tower, cone valves ect , i also have a kove 450 rally, this will be my last ktm , as their warranty and build quality and customer care is shocking
I have 3 KTMs (ok one’s a 701). My 890 is having warranty work done and I’ve told dealer I don’t want it back until the camshafts have been inspected (and I’ve seen for myself that they’re in good condition) following a starting issue. If not I’m not having it back. KTM have had ample time to sort this and do the honourable thing and extend the warranty to at least give comfort to those who bought in good faith quite apart from wishing to have their values remain. I went off BMW for exactly this type of issue. My view is that shit happens but it’s how you deal with it that matters.
Weird because I owned a real 2012 GasGas EC300 Racing and it was a premium bike with premium parts. Nothing budget about it. Why on Earth would I buy a Red or White KTM, makes no sense. So instead I bought a 2021 Beta 300 RR Racing. If I was to buy a new bike tomorrow I probably look at a TM or Sherco, leaning more towards TM.
As a KTM mechanic who uses their software. The KTM software is completely lockdown they are very security minded company that controls the Information. Any problems or updates your gonna have to pay a dealership top doller for their diagnosis software. While you better get in line because every bike they make has 5 check engine codes . So all these bikes sitting at the dealship waiting to be diagnosed for 100s an hour and waiting for months to just be plugged in.
in Australia a 300 will cost near on 18k to 22k on the road ! and then another 1k to fix the WP forks, plus to sort the shock. other brands are 3 to 4k cheaper and come equipped with KYB suspension that just works.
@@ronlawson5819 Bro asking for one of these KTMs to be the same pricepoint as one of the japanese “enduro” bikes is absolutely hilarious, ones a proper mans bike & ones a kids toy, dont be silly.
You're not wrong about the US. I make a good income, but I have a bit of debt. My primary focus these next 2 years is to pay it off as much and as fast as possible. My gf and I are focused on a house, and that's more important.
@@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno What an excellent incentive to put new home buyers in crippling debt on absurdly high interest home mortgages and sky high prices!
@@Jacksonflax this is nonsense. The interest rate will go down and the buyers will refinance just like everyone always does. This only helps new buyers. Not corporate/ private investment firms who are buying up all the housing. There's only one presidential candidate who wants to put a stop to that. And can you guess who it isn't? I agree prices are too high. Inflated by corporate greed.
I bought the 990 month ago, I didn't know that half the functions on the bike were 1100 to unlock and I already paid 13200 out the door. I really wish I had got the mt09 or 10. The track pack is a shameful marketing scheme
@@johnlesoudeur3653the whole reason I got into moto was because the insane prices on MTB bikes. I was looking to upgrade my current bike and was told the price and I said I am done with MTB. Bought a brand new moto. 8-12k for a pedal bike and literally no resale value is insane. And I’ve been a die hard cyclist my whole life.
As well as all of the european manufacturers! Crazy prices everywhere. The more I travel, the more I see only heads with white hairs. Where are the young people? 😢
@@sheldon193 not sure which bike your after for 20k. I ride dirtbikes and 10k for a 2 stroke is a joke. I paid $7500 for my 22 450 new. Ktms are 10k plus for almost all full size dirtbikes.
We pay $20,000 for a ktm 450 excf in Australia and the paint falls off the frame and spokes keep coming loose and some idiots change the fuel pump location to halfway up the tank
At age 58 and a life long rider I like the Japanese bikes. They are simple and they work. I currently have a KTM 150sx and a Husky TE150 both have been great bikes with little or no troubles. However for the weekend rider like myself the Japanese bikes are much cheaper and easier to maintain. I feel like people are buying used bikes or keeping what they got just due to the current economy.
their dealers suck too, i went to go buy an exc having agreed on a total price over the phone, the dealer added 2k in bs fees and claimed that was the agreed upon amount.
Honestly, we live in times when the adv segment is really popular and somehow brand known for enduro, mx and adv motorcycles is drowning. It would be about time they realise that they were always known as well equipped but not so reliable brand. They are just too expensive to buy and then have problems with them. And it doesn't help that they have too many similar models for sale.
never had problems with dealer as well as parts accessibility. KTM Enduro bikes are very reliable, and that what they should concentrate on, not MotoGP or AVD bikes. In Enduro/MX segment KTM is better the honda or yamaha.
it's the combination. doubling the interest rates effectively made the cost of say home ownership go up 75%, which coupled with higher prices makes things really expensive - but cut interest rates in half (back to 3%) and even at high prices, housing becomes way more affordable.
The Fed USD creation during covid (especially 2020/2021) has a lagging inflationary effect. Many people are paying the price. Wages generally don't keep up with costs. Poor hurt the most. Then middle class.
@@therawlifefamily I beg to differ. Low interest rates from a couple of years ago lured people in to buy coupled with massive government money printing and a huge migration of people (due to a couple of reasons) caused a buying frenzy. Purchases "over asking price" became the norm. Real estate pricing is based on recent sales so prices shot up. Prices are now at the point where most people given their income can't qualify for a loan even at low interest rates. Also anyone who buys a house based on the "payment" is an idiot. If prices fall even a little given the cost of selling and the low down payments that people who buy based on payments make you will be very likely upside down for years to come. I know this is true as I lived through a similar situation in the mid to late 80's.
The recent 'there is no cam wear issue' from KTM nailed it into the ground for me. Ex KTM owner here. No thanks, especially if a brand denies a problem that everyone knows is out there. KTMs target customer isn't thick.
I think they are... and that's why KTM has felt emboldened to get this far down the line. They are now upping the ante with linking servicing at main dealers only (at huge cost) to 'extend' the warranty to match the same free warranty the engine maufacturer offers. And some people will happily fall for this too.
It’s crazy that KTM went from completely dominating the market to this! I have a 2019 KTM 450SX-F factory edition and love it. And I’ve always received great service from KTM in the form of advice. Nothing ever wrong with the bike.
I suspect the KTM brand has suffered enormous damage because of the camshaft issue. The bikes are essentially a Chinese or Indian build. KTM is no longer a premium brand.
@@andersd8956come visit India and see for yourself how reliable the Indian built bikes are from all brands,ktm only manufacturers dukes and rc till 390 in India and still we don't get above 390cc bikes from ktm
After what KTM did to all its competitors over the past 30 years, if it goes bust I'll certainly not be shedding a tear. As they say "Karma's a bitch".
Ktm have been living on the associated "Boutique" branding and charging over inflated prices for bikes which have gained cheaper and cheaper, sub par parts, and falling overall quality. Fewer and fewer people can afford them, nevermind the maintenance.
And now, rather than fix the cam issue, they are desperatly trying to lock customers into 'boutique' servicing costs otherwise they will void your warranty. Lets hope people stop falling for this nonsense.
So glad I bought the last year carbed TE250. Swapped carb from Mikuni to Keihin and life is so simple. Still has kickstart as well but the 6 yr old Lithium battery is still going strong. Probably shouldn't have typed that. 😂 No coincidence that the Beta 2 strokes run so nice with the Keihin as well.
Yes, its like being in a recession. But were not, this is the new normal, uncontrolled immigration pushing house prices up, filling prisons, getting paid out of tax payers money whilst gov puts taxes up. The new norm
Every restaurant is packed like never before, go to a Lexus or BMW dealer on a Saturday and it's busy as hell. Vacation bookings are at an all time high. People have money now in the US and are spending. As long as they do prices will rise. It's the sign of a booming economy. The US GDP growth is many times better than any developed nation. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. They want you to think that because corporate profits are at a record high. Vote R to enrich the billionaires more. Go ahead.
There’s too much redundancy in the brands. Why are there 3 versions of the same bikes with only slight differences? Seems like such a waste in overhead, distribution costs and marketing.
The reason for poor sales is the huge price tags... considering an average payment combined with inflation, is impossible for most to buy a brand new bike....at least in Romania.
theyre missing the bulk of buyers, most people arent jarvis or dungey; if they made an exc with ~2 in lower seat height and a detuned/more reliable ~400cc at current weight there wouldn't be a market for anything else
@@morkzorckerborg5000 What do you mean they are missing the bulk of the buyers, they sell more enduro / motocross bikes than all 4 japanese manufacturers put together 🤦♂️
@@HPRaceDevelopment All brands in Australia suffer from poor importer service, but not to the extent of ktm. They appear to be one of the worst, reputationally.
@@aussiesam01 All i can say its they are by far the best in our experience. All the other oems have zero warranty with no exceptions on off road models. ktm used to have more - to build their brand strength - and it has dropped some - but its by far the best we have experienced.
I’m still riding my 2017 Ktm 690 enduro r. It’s been a reliable bike for me and a lot of fun both on and off-road. My only complaint is it becomes unstable when speeds go north of 85mph. I’ve tried different tires, added a Scott’s steering damper, played with tire pressures and suspension settings but it still gets unstable. Other than that it’s been a great bike.
@@Angry-Lynx No I’ve never adjusted the pre load. It’s still set where it was from the factory. Are you saying backing off on the preload, loosening the tension of the spring may help?
@@mikef3300 yes it's general consensus that with lower rear you change geometry/angle of the forks. The more angled the forks the more stable bike is but harder /slower to turn. I recently added a bunch of preload in the rear and indeed it feels like bike steers a lot quicker and with less force. It's not better or worse, it's question.of what u prefer
@@Angry-Lynx I’d like to see what its top speed is but have never been able to because of the unstable feeling. I’m going to try your suggestion a little at a time and see what happens. My only other idea is to remove the front fender to see if it affects the handling at higher speeds. Thanks for your response
I’m sure Bishop California will keep them in business. 7 guys I worked with owned KTM, and I knew at least 3 others who had KTM. But that’s all you see in the Mammoth Lakes, eastern Sierra region. I could never figure out why so many were die hard KTM fans when the reliability just isn’t there. Love my Honda RX desert set up.
Guys, if a company has a recall that is paid mostly from insurance money, not out of pocket, that is not a big financial problem, but not owning a well-known camshaft (2019-2024 and going) issue is brand damaging. Now KTM gets the taste of how the market reacts to things like this. For India and Taiwan /Asia, there are the 390, 125, 200? Dukes, and ADVs, but that is not a reason to not make proper bikes (I mean big ccm ones) for the rest of the world. European and American markets are also huge, but we are tired of paying gold money for sh!t. I own a 790 Duke but I am more and more disappointed with how things are handled with the camshaft issues. Now they are replacing damaged camshafts/followers or even heads with goodwill if it is "heavily" damaged, but if it is "not that bad" you have to pay the dealer for the disassembly and assembly. For me, it is a basic step is to get all bikes back for a checkup for FREE (company insurance will pay) and if it is damaged then replace damaged parts, if not then make the customer happy with the good news. That will build the brand and the reliability back. It looks like lately they will not want it to restore... Thank you for your thoughts, Rober!
I love my 2012 TM e n 300 Enduro 250 hours on the same piston and now my grandson rides it to this day I bought a betta 4:30 RR 2022 which I love to the match betta takes care of their people I wanted the Husqvarna 350 the Husqvarna shop talked me out of it because they were selling Vegas the husky was 3,000 more the beta did not need no upgrades right out of the crate it was the s***I am 65 years old and I have been riding for 55 years I've had every motorcycle made ever can I still ride
It would be nice if we could get a less expensive and easier to work on bike. Just a plain old carb with a two stroke engine and good suspension. It doesn’t need to be road legal, we have trails to ride. Sounds like a Yamaha yzx would do it. Hmm, cheaper, easier to work on, I think KTM used to build them like that, could be an easy fix
Basically their mid 2000 to early teen bikes. Although the e-starts were a constant issue. Wheel bearings and countershaft seals were high on the consumables list. I did creally like my '08 XC250. No e-start. Both good and bad I guess.
It’s starting to look like it could be low oil pump pressure causing the oil supply problems to the cams , lots of 790s/ 890’s coming up with less than 26 psi at idle and 50 psi at 7000 rpm which is what’s required by KTM’s own workshop manual.
I loved the 17 xcw300 but my next bike will be a Rieju 300 , KYB suspension, carburetor, kickstart , premix and a reasonable price plus a two year warranty. As soon as I sell my present 300 a Rieju will be in my garage.
It’s just a sensation but it seems it’s shared by many people: prices are skyrocketing compared to the rest of the market while reliability is still kind of an issue. I precise I’m the former owner of 2 Superduke V3 which ai loved and never had issues. Cheers ✌️
The Problem is,,,$9000-$11,000 dirtbikes...MOTO GP...40,000 different KTM Dirt Bikes,,,MXGP, SuperCross, MX, Off Road,,,,When you are spread too far, too thin...
I’ve been riding ktm for 24 years, back when they were the odd European bike that would wash out the front end. Last bike was a 2023 300xc, the absolute best 2 stroke I’ve ever had….except it developed a random bog at 20hr. I battled it for 27 hours. I jump a lot ride on the pipe, so the bog eventually put me in hospital. For 27 hours I replaced, adjusted, went back and forth with the dealer, went back and forth with ktm, nothing helped. The only thing left was to replace the ecu and tps. But after it bogged out on a jump and broke 2 ribs and busted my spleen I had enough. Ktm just didn’t care, they said take it to a dealer. The dealer and 2 other service managers at other dealers said with everything I did there wasn’t much they could do, and knowing I jump this bike they had reservations on getting involved. It’s gone, I’ll never buy another new ktm. On a 2024 yz250 now. It’s great to be jumping again and crapping myself every time I go to blip the throttle on a jump face. Ktm’s tech(not dealership) said only way to fix it was if if it’s hooked up to the laptop when it did it as it didn’t throw codes. Just happy that craps over. Shame, I do miss the 300. I’m currently looking for a pre tpi ktm/husky 300 with very low hours. On edit, I am loving the yz250. It took a few hours and was an adjustment but back to jumping and I have to say, the kyb is incredible, especially compared to wp.
@@craigdavies8099 Thats why they have won the most amateur & professional championships in the last 15 years, clueless. Japanese bikes are absolute garbage compared to the king of offroad, KTM 🍊🥇🏆💯
Your bogging problem is most likely caused by a malfunctioning Crankcase Pressure Sensor (CCPS). This $50 part usually degrades slowly, sending an improper signal to the ECU which then commands the fuel injection system to inject an improper amount of fuel. This has been problematic with both the TPI and later TBI systems. The sensor was redesigned for the TBI bikes with a larger port, bigger hose, and easier replacement, but still is problematic. Mine began to degrade at 135 hours on my 2024 TE 300. The degradation doesn’t show up as a no start or fault code. I just replace the CCPS at 100 hours or at the first sign of trouble. Consider it a regular service item like the spark plug or air filter. I have 175 hard hours on my bike in less than a year and this has been the only failure.
@@garthlundquist3623 lol No. I went the distance trying to fix this, with service managers and ktm themselves. I ran this bike hard, on the pipe unlike most weekend worriers. Heres a list of stuff done over 3 months..fyi, the ccps and pickup filter are rarely the issue. My advice is don’t run the tbi in a mx or sx situation. Stuff done on my 2023 300xc that didnt fix bog… -Replaced inline fuel filter multiple times -Replaced fuel pump pick up filter($60) -Tested old fuel pump(48psi) and replaced with new fuel pump, with part number ending in 200(supposedly updated)($275) -stripped down and checked wire harness, also with bike running trying to move wires to find short. -ended up cutting open wire harness and checking for shorts on main trunk and throttle body branch. Looked beautiful in there. Everything under new electrical tape has been looked at. -pulled all connections looking for issues -changed spark plug 3 times, plugs always looked good, never fouled one, currently tried a 7 range plug.($25) -had dealer update software and look for codes, there were none($130) -did top end(used vortex oem piston)and pulled and cleaned power valve at 37 hr per ktm customer service advice($350). Old rings still measured the same ring gap as new ones. Used .62mm base gasket. -Set power valve to 48mm(z dimension) -Adjusted tps to .400 volts, reset tps with wake up connector and 3 throttle twists -recalibrated power valve on both maps multiple time -changed crank case sensor twice, even used sealant on last one to be sure wasn’t leaking($120) -current compression is 208 psi, was 196 before top end at 37hr -current deck height is between 0.00 and .008, squish is like 2.15 -checked stator- .9 ohms cold, 1.2 ohms hot. -pulled injectors inspected and cleaned externally -tried different fuels, one was an ethanol free 93 octane
I bought my 1290 SD in 2017 for around 16k€, it has been unreliable junk. Today the same bike is pretty much 23k€, my wage in the meantime remained more or less the same, but come on let us all act surprised brands aren't selling bikes.
I have a 2023 RC390. the quality really is not that bad. And the dealer is great. The only one that year did not charge me a mark up. But the design of the 390 engine I really do not like. The 6th gear is almost useless on the highway, you can't drop the rev to below 6k on 6th gear or it will take a long time to rev back up. Oh, I do have an engine cut out issue on throttle closing sometimes which they had no solution. And i had a light oil leak too. So, quality just okay. lol
its been said on here,and it comes back to how you treat your customer base.i bought my 1st ktm 2years ago,a 6month old gen3 sdr.its now been sold and i will NEVER buy another ktm.how many people have had the same experience as me?if you piss off the customers,you're done.
5:00 Bigger problem , will you be able to buy the parts needed to service these bikes in the future, especially with the camshaft problem many users now face and this problem not getting acknowledged and/or handled by KTM. I am not talking small parts like gaskets and filters,, but engine parts like cylinder heads and camshafts.
Well, the 'market' is a competition on its own. It's all about demand and supply, and if KTM won't supply then others will. Like with any business, if there is a demand it will be supplied by someone, and there may be competition between several suppliers. Looks like KTM has played out its roll here in the west, moving on to asia to try that market, will it succeed? Maybe - It doesn't matter who supplies the bikes as long as the bikes are good enough and people have the money to buy.
Moto GP is a huge undertaking financially, that's why Kawasaki and Suzuki don't do Moto GP, I saw it coming a mile away when they stepped into Moto GP, KTM was a dirt bike company that built the best off road bikes for enduro, cross country later motocross. I still own a KTM 300 , worked in KTM shops, raced KTM for over 10 years, they lost me as a customer when it started feeling like the bikes are built to sell, KTM "was" a motorcycle built to race
Know The Mechanic , Buy Championships , Buy Dakar , its a illusion of a quality product . All the race bikes have all the known to fail parts swapped out , fuel pumps fuel filters the list goes on ! Ktm still sells next years model with the same made in Turkey rubbish in tank filters that crack or split. Frankenstein bike is ktmhuskaberggas , bits and pieces of cheap parts dressed in a appearance of quality . Polished Turds, always have been and appears always will be . Wheel Bearings anyone ? Starter motors anyone , Reeds anyone , crank case seals anyone , leaking air filter boxs anyone . Massive list of rubbish r and d on quality and reliability. The magazines and marketing departments love the ktm gag orders .
KTM is going to cut costs. They will not reimburse anyone for their screwups. Investors made their money. They don'tcare. Next, they will trash it and claim a write-off later.
@@jss9849 ...How about the piston hitting the crank. How about the weak stator that can't support a radiator fan or front light if one wanted to add it to an xc. How about the fuel pump not placed at the bottom of the gas tank. These problems
Nothings going to happen. This is an overall slump in the global automobile market. They sudden surge post COVID due to the pent up demand is waning. Customers are preferring smaller bikes. The 390s are going to be in demand. And the US will witness brands like Royal Enfield penetrating the market.
Thanks for the video. Sad news and explains why I got such a great discount on a 24 Gas Gas ES500. No big problem as my Gas Gas uses KTM parts.Guess I will have an orphan bike though?
My ktms both two strokes and my 500 have been the most reliable bikes I've owned, I ride everyday in the hot hard desert in central desert of Australia. Previously I rode Suzuki but KTM have been such a better bike in all aspects.
Need to look potential partnership, strategic bussiness landscape like Asean region. Where people still interested in low cc like 250 200 125 in low budget price.
Ready to Race. Nope not since about 2014-16 have they been that. They started cheaping out on WP suspension componentry, single function forks, air forks, using Mikuni Carbs instead of Keihin, TPI motors that need rebuilds every 30-40 hours or they run weird, enduro frames that feel like they came of the MX/SX production line, Husquvarna's and Gasgas's with BrakeTec brakes instead of Brembo. And Price tags that would suggest they were some boutique brand that made 500 bikes a year. If they just kept just making the 2013 KTM300 with fresh plastics they would have been sitting happy now. They did it to themselves. But, I still don't won't them to go broke and start turning out junk like Honda
Basically, this is what Japanese 4 saw in the mid 2000s. They realized that Europe and NA market is shrinking, new riders are no longer interested in “performance bikes”, and emerging markets are huge on practicality with small displacement. All 4 brands made moves in the 90s and early 2000s and have already matured into the market. KTM, BMW, and Triumph are considered rather late to the market and they have to ride on the back of Bajaj, CJ Moto, and other local brands in order to move into the emerging market, where as companies like Honda has developed and nurtured local companies (like Hero in India) and well established themselves to all these markets. They are now pulling themselves out of the racing and other sport events as they no longer see ROI in the investments - MotoGP/WSBK is considered dying sport (my wife’s company sponsors both series). To give you heads up, as of 2023, the smallest of the Japanese 4 - Suzuki - its profit (Not revenue, PROFIT!) from one major market in country of India matches entire global sales of KTM.
Last year I bought a brand new 2023 gas gas ec300 only because they had a promotion on the bikes with no VAT. The bike should have been just over 9k I got it for £7600 otr. Just done over a 1000 miles a mixture of road, green lanes, enduro events and motocross tracks and to be honest I can't fault it. I've serviced it to the book and it's been faultless .
@@ballerblocks Ready to race to the bottom but are the winningest offroad manufacturer in motocross, enduro & dakar in the last 20 years, smooth brain 🫵😭 KTM Once again embarrassing the competition dominating another national at Ironman winning 3 out of 4 motos, winning the overall in both the 250 & 450 class with Tom Vialle & Chase Sexton, and Aaron Plessinger once again on the podium making it another 1-2 for RedBull KTM, Complete and utter domination for the best offroad manufacturer on the planet🥇🏆🍊💯 KTM Absolutely DOMINATES the AMA 450 Pro Motocross championship with Chase Sexton winning 7 out of 11 overalls and teammate Aaron Plessinger going 1-2 in 4 of the rounds & being on the podium together 6 times, beautiful to see. 🍊🥇🏆💯 There is simply no denying that KTM has the best 250f on the planet, sweeping both east & west coast championships & the futures, incredible. 💯🏆🍊 KTM is the KING of offroad. They have won the most supercross & motocross championships out of any manufacturer in the last 20 years. and have dominated enduro 25 years in a row. DOMINANT 🍊💯 KTM MX2 World Championships: 2003 2004 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2022 2023 🔥🍊💯 KTM MXGP World Championships: 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2017 2018 2021 2023 🔥🍊💯 KTM Supercross 450 Championships: 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2021 🔥🍊💯 KTM Has won an incredible 64 out of 81 Motos this year at loretta lynns. Pure DOMINATION. this once again proves that KTM is the best Motocross & Enduro manufacturer on the planet. KINGS 🔥👑🍊🧡💯
@@RogerT-kt3zdyou are a classic case of what's described as ostrich syndrome. (Your house is on fire!!! Oh no look at how beautiful my house is.) No one is deriding KTM for it's racing pedigree, but for its on-road presence,quality and financial mismanagement. The conversation is about how they are destroying a great motorcycle company.
I've been waiting over a year for parts for my MV Agusta Rush 1000. The defective parts are under warranty, but the parts aren't attainable. This is frustrating, to say the least. My bike is depreciating in value, and I can't ride/enjoy it.
I service my KTM because the local dealer's mechanics and service is pure garbage. I'm bound to this bike now, but I will never again buy a KTM. Anyone asks me and I refer them to a different brand. Too many headaches with KTM, just makes something your supposed to enjoy, a nightmare. Great video, I can't wait to see how KTM will react to all of this.
Well, the dealers in Europe, North and South America, Australia and New Zeeland are not selling much bikes the last years. Only in Asia the sales are up, but the cheaper bikes are the bulk of sales there..
I'm especially surprised given, best I can tell, they ACCELERATED their plans to acquire a majority stake of MV Agusta. They'd already taken a good chunk (25%?) with the option for 50.1 majority later. If I remember, they'd originally said they planned to take majority in 2025, but instead they pushed it up.
I was a KTM dealer in the US for 25 years. They have allot of amazing people working for them and we have built lasting friendships. When they bought Husky and started making white KTMs it was all about market share in the off road field, Then they start with Gas Gas and make red KTMs and it worked at first thanks to Covid but now it all is coming back to roost. World economics and market saturation is crippling them.
Years ago when I visited the factory they said half the worlds racing budget was for Dakar now they race Moto GP with KTM and GAS GAS. No matter how much Red Bull helps it has to be straining there resources. My take is cut back on brands and racing, Take care of your reliability problems that have alienated so many customers because without them you will go bankrupt.
Quality will take another dive...
The amazing KTM HQ in America was a head turner. I was looking at the amazing walk-through video going WTF!!!
They clearly didnt learn from the original reason they went bankrupt , poor quality and reliability problems . No amount of controlling the narrative with there billion dollar marketing , controlling the bad press of the reality of ownership. 2008 onwards low standards ongoing .
The other point too, is that there was reasons why the brands they bought, were available for purchase too. You can't just absorb and prop up a number of failing (financially) companies, without being caught up in the the same situations that were already plaguing those companies... There just isn't as much customer dollars being thrown around for higher quality bikes these days. Global financial pressures have a reasonably high number of people in first world countries, working poor, and struggling to meet their basic needs (food, utilities and transport etc l
They are pulling the GAS GAS MotoGP, MXGP and Ama Pro motocross Team. They are pretty much doing what you are telling them already
They need to start with solving the 790/890 camshaft issue, or no one will trust them ever again.
Because dealers are literally flooded with bikes with "bad cams" 🙄
Yea KTM's poor quality doesn't help, Bad camshafts, poor air filtration, et al. coupled with a company that doesn't seem to care and does nothing about it.
What issue ? Which model?
The way they have treated warranty work has scared me off the next purchase 1390 evo might be getting a zh2 instead
@@pbshooter100 Polished Turds , always have been , marketing top shelf production of product is lousy across the ranges.
YZ 2 strokes sounding better all the time 👌🏻
KTM tried to destroy the japanese bike market share. They almost succedded, but their own arrogance has been their downfall. From an ex-KTM rider
The problem is, they can't. I remember when they introduced the KTM duke 250 in my country to fight the MT25 and Ninja 250. Just to get shiddid on by a 150cc underbone that has better power to weight ratio, better handling, and to make it even more painful, optional quick shifter that is comparable to the 600s. To add sulfur to the wound, it got blasted to oblivion with Kawasaki releasing the ZX25R that also killed the 390s at the same price.
Makes a lot of sense.
exactly , producing less quality and asking for more money. when I asked for 1290SAR price and they said 24K euros was clear no go
Ktm new slogan is no bullshit
Also KTM wants pp to pay extra for rider ads and still hasn't finished solving the cam issue while pp could get Japanese bikes for cheaper prices and better quality
KTM are paying the price for burying their heads in the sand over the camshaft debacle.
They phenomenal in dirtbikes! Can't beat em. 💯
@@Davido50 Yes, but they were better in the past.
Many people in the U.S.A have boycotted them over moving products to China. We refuse to pay a premium for bikes with kymco cylinders and refuse to support their layoffs. This is not because of interest rates
As it fuckin should be
1 kymco isn't china, and they only made a cylinder during a time where the supply was weak. The ONLY machine that got outsourced was the 790, and KTM is FAR from the only company outsourcing bikes from China. Looking at you Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Suzuki.
I get it. But the reality is you can't live in the USA without wearing, driving or living in China built.
@JeffGriffithGGC KYMCO is literally an acronym for Kwang Yang Motor Co, Ltd. It is and always will be Chinese. The still use their parts on the off road bikes today.
@peaceprayer595 We can 90% The problem isn't necessarily China. It's that people continue to support Companies who made good products in the past and then get greedy and sell out our jobs and their quality of products. Do we get the discounts or extra support for their shit products?? No never. There are many great companies globally who still run their businesses off of ethics and product quality.
My first Drz400 lasted 16 years, my second one is currently 5 years old 🤙
And it’s been extremely boring that entire time.
Mine is a 2006 and going strong. I love my DRZ400. I'm to old to be bored with it. I'm just happy to be still riding at my age.
I bought the first DR400 to come to NZ when I was 17, I`m 62 now and doing KTMs😁.
It will last another 16 years mate
My 94 350 fell down cliffs and lasted years, great ride
It is no wonder KTM are going under. I can only account for my awful experience. Brand new 1290s that had issues from the moment I left the showroom. Serious oil leak. 7 weeks even to get the bike into the showroom due to a huge shortage of techs across the UK. 3 months to resolve the oil leak, so they say. I rode home. Same oil leak. KTM had the bike for another 2 months. I rode bike home unbelivably same oil leak. The dealer and whole UK KTM network see you as a problem not a frustrated customer. After 8 months and legal advice I returned the bike to KTM and got a full refund. Basically Rejecting the goods due to above issues. They was not happy. I am aware I am not the only one that was in this position. What they could not replace was 8 months of biking lost.
Who stole all the money...
@@grantpeet9774 the tories
What a joke. I’ve had three ktm’s and not one of them didn’t leak oil
I had a test ride on an 890 adv at my local KTM dealer last week. I noticed when looking around the showroom that 3 of the bikes in there appeared to have small puddles of oil/coolant underneath them. I was pretty miffed to be honest, brand new bikes on the showroom floor and they had what appears to be leaks from the engine!
Kinda put me off buying one now, the bike I test rode was great, but after reading lots of horror stories about the camshafts and coolant leaks etc on most bikes I might look at something else.
It's a shame, as for the money the KTM's have a spec which usually surpasses their competitors.
Bought a 1390 super duke. Also had issues right from the Start. Even got a brand new replacement bike - which also had issues.
Purchased a "24" 300SX last year. First KTM I purchased was a 2011 450SXF which I still have and I also own a 2012 250SX and a 2015 450SX-F. The bikes are becoming more difficult to maintain now often requiring a laptop using proprietary software to troubleshoot. They are complicating these bikes adding features that nobody wants! Driving the prices up and now using more and more non-European parts like the Taiwanese KYMCO cylinder on my new 24. What's the point of buying a KTM anymore when half the bike uses outsourced parts from Asia? Might as well just buy one of the big four Japanese bikes and save some money! Beta and Sherco also use a lot of outsourced parts. I'm 68 years old now and unlikely to buy another new bike from any manufacturer but things sure have changed since I first started riding dirt bikes back in the 60's!
The problem is that the big four old dinosaurs doesn't care about the market in different ways. They basically only offer 250f and 450f mx and then slightly modified they call it enduro. Still not the widely popular 350f, still no 2-strokes (except the yz 250 that apparently exists on some markets). The only japanese bike i would consider for woods enduro is the Yamaha wr 250. There's even a company that build enduro bikes with Honda base in 300 and 400 versions, but they still don't have a 6 speed wide ratio gearbox. While KTM brands, Beta, Sherco, TM racing all have a wide variety of bikes built from the ground up for enduro.
More to go wrong means more will go wrong. I laugh when I lift the seat on a new ktm. What are they thinking?
Yeah the only people who need all the fuel injected stuff are crazy skilled hard enduro dudes
@@99Yeti Nobody really needs it, i think it's has more to do with being able to sell the bikes plated and registered. On the European market there hasn't been any new carbed street bikes for at least 15 years. Dirtbikes continued longer, but now i think it's only Beta and Sherco 2-strokes that somehow slips through the system. Probably because they are below some limit on how many bikes sold. They are also choked down and registered with a ridiculously low power. Please note this is only qualified speculation.
@@Gud-y2s yeah and all the tech is basically useless in the grand scheme of things electric will surpass it in the next 10 years or so
The 790/890 camshaft issue is a huge issue that has steered a lot of people away from them.
Can confirm. Can’t wait to dump my 890 and get a T7 or possibly a Kove.
KTM makes 75 other models than a 790/890. Worldwide. Its not a huge issue. They just announced a fix it program for those cams.
Agreed. It was a big factor in my recent bike purchase decision. I would have bought an 890 AR if not for that issue.
@@bradsanders6954 It was their denial and lack of response that put me off, I couldn't justify buying ANY bike knowing that if it happened to me they wouldn't give a fk
Correct -- and the camshaft issue is just the latest in long-running issues that they've denied, ignored, or just fixed quietly in the background in model updates while forcing impacted customers to pay for repairs, with warranties worth nothing... rocker arms and cam chain tensioners on 690 engines, failed fuel pumps on multiple models, poor electrics due to lack of QC, speedos full of condensation. All of this is fine, but what many have experienced is rude, arrogant dealers.
I had a failed fuel pump within months on a 690... dealer said they would replace under warranty but I had to pay labour of $500. So I bought an aftermarket one and did it myself. Same story with cam chain tensioner after 6 months. I had to strip the bike to properly terminate the wiring loom -- bare wires everywhere.
Fantastic performing bikes... loved my 690 and by the time I sold it, I had got it into reliable condition after a lot of wrenching and mods. Much as I like their bikes, I wouldn't buy from KTM again though.
I’ve ridden and owned KTM since 1996 - when they started making products in China was the end for me.
I don’t want to support China.
So move to the mountains, everything is made in china nowadays
you can buy now. It's made in India where I don't want to buy. lol
what parts were made in china
You cannot live in the USA and not buy Chinese. You won't prove me wrong.
@@peaceprayer595 “you won’t prove me wrong”
Says the reasonable person. Hahahaha
I don't disagree that KTM is having trouble and needs to up it's game(particularly in Quality Control and design). BUT, at the start of the video you say that KTM lost 2.5 billion dollars. From what I can tell, the chart that you show is their market capitalization(share price vs number of shares) so they didn't actually LOSE 2.5 billion dollars, their share prices just went down a LOT which reduced their market cap by 2.5 billion (still not great) so not the same thing at all as losing 2.5 billion dollars in earnings.
Not disagreeing that they're aren't in trouble, just trying to clarify 👍
True that but they are fuked and back to square one
@@mike2635 😂 could be. Hopefully not though as I've had a few KTMs and loved 'em, including a '20 790R that my cams failed in! 🫤
Correct, not the same thing at all. Also it is Pierer Mobility as a whole, not KTM. Their biggest loser was the electric bikes not the motorcycles. This is blown out of proportion. KTM is not going out of business.
Biggest problem is the shareholders want an increasingly bigger dividend on their investment at the expense of us the buyer.
Pay more, get less is the new pandemic.
It's called GREED.
Nailed it. Its got nothing to do with building a premium motorcycle platform its ONLY about shareholders' quarterly profits. When a group of investors whom have ZERO passion for what they own nothing but a financial train wreck will follow.
Premium price for low quality and poor reliability. Once you have purchased a KTM, they dont stand buy their product. They can not keep sweeping the issues under the rug. There are far too many unhappy customers ventilating their dissatisfaction on social media. It's a constant PR nightmare.
Exactly. Here in Slovenia, just a few kilometres from KTM they were ALWAYS known for their problems and reliability problems. And we are talking about bikes that were quite pricey compared to competition. And now they are high priced made in China products, that's even worse. Funny enough, CFmoto quads are quite popular here and now they have started to sell motorcycles, and I wonder what might future bring about CFMoto that are at least low priced made in China products, compared to high priced KTMs.
They have taken care of me several times..They stand by there product..Its usually the dealer thats the dipshit
I have been a KTM fan , for 15 years now. Absolutely loved all the KTM 's I've had over the years. From enduro bikes to road bikes. BUT - have just had a 390 adventure serviced at my local KTM dealer in South africa 🇿🇦 . (7500km service)... it cost me 3 times as much as my car service (which was a 15000km service)
So NO MORE !!!
And without main dealer serving KTM mandate your warranty is void. Even VW don't do that!
Honestly it’s the worldwide inflation after Covid that is finally catching up to people. I’m definitely feeling it. Groceries are more expensive. Everything is more expensive. People don’t have money to buy dirt bikes as much as they used to.
Spot on. I know people especially those that race that got a new bike every year or two and now they’re extending their life cycle by a few more years.
We have 7 bikes and nothing newer than 2020 and it’ll probably be that way for the foreseeable future
Really? You don’t say? Are you gonna vote?
Every restaurant is packed like never before, go to a Lexus or BMW dealer on a Saturday and it's busy as hell. Vacation bookings are at an all time high. People have money now in the US and are spending. As long as they do prices will rise. It's the sign of a booming economy. The US GDP growth is many times better than any developed nation. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. They want you to think that because corporate profits are at a record high. Vote to enrich the billionaires more. Go ahead.
Correct. The mass money creation during 2020 and 2021 have had an ongoing lag effect. Trump or Biden mattered not within the US. The US Fed and other "reserve" banks created dollars like crazy.
Yes, from dirt bike to dirt poor.
Meh, not too worried as long as I can buy a YZ250(X).
Hahaha, Yamaha shouldn’t even be put in the same sentence as KTM especially when we are talking about offroad, Best enduro & motocross bikes off the showroom floor and its not even debatable 😂
@@RogerT-kt3zd enduro yes.. Moto? You’re high.. they’re all great
Spot on with yz. Ktms don't make you a pro.
I’m super glad they introduced the x models, plus there are other brands making trail bikes.
You can only screw your customer base for so long. Retail 101: Kick people on your way up the ladder and they'll boot you back twice as hard on your way down it.
KTM is the KING of offroad, no japanese manufacturers even come close to the big daddy KTM, best bikes of the showroom floor without a doubt. 🍊💯
You are a mouth with a keyboard. Go buy a V-Strom.
KTM sales are up , in the real world away from keyboard commandos they build great bikes.
Nothing like them. Local dealer sold 14 890R's like mine, not a one came back with issues.
@@bradsanders6954yeah right I don't believe that for a minute
We are a Husky and GASGAS dealer in MA. Been doing this with KTM group for over 10 yrs now. By far the best customer service from
A dealer perspective and have never had one warrantee issue/ claim denied by KTM. They have always stood behind their product and taken care of the customers 100%. I believe there are a lot of dealers that do not have the technicians qualified to actually repair the motorcycles properly should an issue arise…. Not common and we sell 250+ units a year. I’ve talked to some pretty high ups at KTM over the past few weeks with several concerns from our level. And I’m very confident they will continue to be the number 2 wheel company in the market place.
Give it time @@bradsanders6954
Rode and bought ktm's all my life , currently have a ktm 790 adventure and spent close to 20k on it rally tower, cone valves ect , i also have a kove 450 rally, this will be my last ktm , as their warranty and build quality and customer care is shocking
I have 3 KTMs (ok one’s a 701). My 890 is having warranty work done and I’ve told dealer I don’t want it back until the camshafts have been inspected (and I’ve seen for myself that they’re in good condition) following a starting issue. If not I’m not having it back. KTM have had ample time to sort this and do the honourable thing and extend the warranty to at least give comfort to those who bought in good faith quite apart from wishing to have their values remain. I went off BMW for exactly this type of issue. My view is that shit happens but it’s how you deal with it that matters.
They should have never bought husky. They should have made gas gas a true budget bike They are only 200-300 cheaper They should 2000 less
Weird because I owned a real 2012 GasGas EC300 Racing and it was a premium bike with premium parts. Nothing budget about it. Why on Earth would I buy a Red or White KTM, makes no sense. So instead I bought a 2021 Beta 300 RR Racing. If I was to buy a new bike tomorrow I probably look at a TM or Sherco, leaning more towards TM.
@@Meekerextreme what about rieju?
As a KTM mechanic who uses their software. The KTM software is completely lockdown they are very security minded company that controls the Information. Any problems or updates your gonna have to pay a dealership top doller for their diagnosis software. While you better get in line because every bike they make has 5 check engine codes . So all these bikes sitting at the dealship waiting to be diagnosed for 100s an hour and waiting for months to just be plugged in.
in Australia a 300 will cost near on 18k to 22k on the road ! and then another 1k to fix the WP forks, plus to sort the shock. other brands are 3 to 4k cheaper and come equipped with KYB suspension that just works.
How about building a trail bike for under 9k
Yeah, what about the trials bikes?
Get a drz400
@@ronlawson5819 Bro asking for one of these KTMs to be the same pricepoint as one of the japanese “enduro” bikes is absolutely hilarious, ones a proper mans bike & ones a kids toy, dont be silly.
@@jarrodbrearley6621drz for trials? Not with that heavy pig of a machine. Trials bikes weigh 150 lbs.
390 Adventure.
You're not wrong about the US. I make a good income, but I have a bit of debt. My primary focus these next 2 years is to pay it off as much and as fast as possible. My gf and I are focused on a house, and that's more important.
Hopefully you can take advantage of Kamala's first time home buyer $25,000 down payment assistance. I know I will.
@@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno What an excellent incentive to put new home buyers in crippling debt on absurdly high interest home mortgages and sky high prices!
Nobody cares
i'm a mortgage guy in Michigan who does loans all over the US. reply and i'll be happy to help with your house purchase
@@Jacksonflax this is nonsense. The interest rate will go down and the buyers will refinance just like everyone always does. This only helps new buyers. Not corporate/ private investment firms who are buying up all the housing. There's only one presidential candidate who wants to put a stop to that. And can you guess who it isn't?
I agree prices are too high. Inflated by corporate greed.
I bought the 990 month ago, I didn't know that half the functions on the bike were 1100 to unlock and I already paid 13200 out the door. I really wish I had got the mt09 or 10. The track pack is a shameful marketing scheme
empty-ten is rubbish, enjoy what you have, software are not cheap buddy...
@@firstbloood1 you should google revenu in IT -- and try to grow up 🤭
@@firstbloood1 Has to be one of the dumbest comments ive seen for a while
990 hasnt been built for quite a few years now, your sure you just bought a 990?
Or just making stories up to be cool?
@@bradsanders6954 you so silly 🤭🤡
As a consumer, I don’t give a shit. I won’t lose sleep over it. Some other company will take its place. It WAS a good company.
people said that about ATK
@@breafonted I miss ATK!
No one wants to pay 12 grand for a bike that's barely worth 10.
@@dadigitechman Similar to the cycling industry where 7k will not buy the top level bikes anymore, but 13k will. Insane.
@@johnlesoudeur3653the whole reason I got into moto was because the insane prices on MTB bikes. I was looking to upgrade my current bike and was told the price and I said I am done with MTB. Bought a brand new moto. 8-12k for a pedal bike and literally no resale value is insane. And I’ve been a die hard cyclist my whole life.
Right on. I've been stalking the 350 w xc for a while. I ridden honda and Japanese bikes my whole life but 13 grand is alot.
Way overpriced
You are delusional
@@dadigitechman My Mt bike cost over 7K, its by no means top of the line. If you cant afford a toy, dont buy a toy. But dont bitch about being broke,
Maybe they should drop their prices.
They`re starting to come down now and extending warrants.
As well as all of the european manufacturers! Crazy prices everywhere.
The more I travel, the more I see only heads with white hairs. Where are the young people? 😢
Bikes have almost doubled in price in ten years 20k for bike that wears out fast with hard riding. Cheaper to buy good second hand bikes low hours
@@sheldon193 not sure which bike your after for 20k. I ride dirtbikes and 10k for a 2 stroke is a joke.
I paid $7500 for my 22 450 new. Ktms are 10k plus for almost all full size dirtbikes.
We pay $20,000 for a ktm 450 excf in Australia and the paint falls off the frame and spokes keep coming loose and some idiots change the fuel pump location to halfway up the tank
Its cheaper there, saves money with shorter fuel hoses.
Excuse me, did you just added another 0 by accident on that number? Wtf...
@@brunoGRful australian dollars
That not a mistake, explains why the shops are struggling to sell them
At age 58 and a life long rider I like the Japanese bikes. They are simple and they work. I currently have a KTM 150sx and a Husky TE150 both have been great bikes with little or no troubles. However for the weekend rider like myself the Japanese bikes are much cheaper and easier to maintain. I feel like people are buying used bikes or keeping what they got just due to the current economy.
$14 to $15K USD out the door for a dual sport 350/500- that’s the problem!!!
ktm biggest problem is their ridiculous pricing, they would sell a lot more otherwise.....
their dealers suck too, i went to go buy an exc having agreed on a total price over the phone, the dealer added 2k in bs fees and claimed that was the agreed upon amount.
A DR can be 8K out the door. THAT is ridiculous pricing.
(everything is expensive now) Get a real job buy something bitchin!
@@morkzorckerborg5000 Every dealer is not your dealer. They are all different world wide. Take those blinders off.
Honestly, we live in times when the adv segment is really popular and somehow brand known for enduro, mx and adv motorcycles is drowning. It would be about time they realise that they were always known as well equipped but not so reliable brand. They are just too expensive to buy and then have problems with them. And it doesn't help that they have too many similar models for sale.
never had problems with dealer as well as parts accessibility. KTM Enduro bikes are very reliable, and that what they should concentrate on, not MotoGP or AVD bikes. In Enduro/MX segment KTM is better the honda or yamaha.
Interest rates aren't the problem in the US. The cost of everything is.
it's the combination. doubling the interest rates effectively made the cost of say home ownership go up 75%, which coupled with higher prices makes things really expensive - but cut interest rates in half (back to 3%) and even at high prices, housing becomes way more affordable.
The Fed USD creation during covid (especially 2020/2021) has a lagging inflationary effect. Many people are paying the price. Wages generally don't keep up with costs. Poor hurt the most. Then middle class.
@@therawlifefamily I beg to differ. Low interest rates from a couple of years ago lured people in to buy coupled with massive government money printing and a huge migration of people (due to a couple of reasons) caused a buying frenzy. Purchases "over asking price" became the norm. Real estate pricing is based on recent sales so prices shot up. Prices are now at the point where most people given their income can't qualify for a loan even at low interest rates. Also anyone who buys a house based on the "payment" is an idiot. If prices fall even a little given the cost of selling and the low down payments that people who buy based on payments make you will be very likely upside down for years to come. I know this is true as I lived through a similar situation in the mid to late 80's.
Best economy ever 2020-2024 🎉 😢
Very well said..
The recent 'there is no cam wear issue' from KTM nailed it into the ground for me. Ex KTM owner here. No thanks, especially if a brand denies a problem that everyone knows is out there. KTMs target customer isn't thick.
I think they are... and that's why KTM has felt emboldened to get this far down the line. They are now upping the ante with linking servicing at main dealers only (at huge cost) to 'extend' the warranty to match the same free warranty the engine maufacturer offers. And some people will happily fall for this too.
I personally won’t be buying another ktm. The disrespect to the customers is crazy. I want a fantic, but will likely get a sherco.
It’s crazy that KTM went from completely dominating the market to this! I have a 2019 KTM 450SX-F factory edition and love it. And I’ve always received great service from KTM in the form of advice. Nothing ever wrong with the bike.
I suspect the KTM brand has suffered enormous damage because of the camshaft issue. The bikes are essentially a Chinese or Indian build. KTM is no longer a premium brand.
It stopped me from buying a 901
I raced an enduro today and saw a zillion new-newish KTM . What are you guys taking about?? Lol
@@Woodsripper69 look up the 801/901 cam wear issues, not so much the dirt bike line
India only manufacturer 390 and 250 KTM and other high cc manufacturer in china
@@andersd8956come visit India and see for yourself how reliable the Indian built bikes are from all brands,ktm only manufacturers dukes and rc till 390 in India and still we don't get above 390cc bikes from ktm
Lose billions the second you move from European to Chinese manufacturing…. Almost like it’s the people that gave the company its value.
After what KTM did to all its competitors over the past 30 years, if it goes bust I'll certainly not be shedding a tear.
As they say "Karma's a bitch".
So much about the "tiered" red bike
Ktm have been living on the associated "Boutique" branding and charging over inflated prices for bikes which have gained cheaper and cheaper, sub par parts, and falling overall quality. Fewer and fewer people can afford them, nevermind the maintenance.
@@MrKips1 Still would take a KTM any day of the year over any of the garbage bikes that japanese manufacturers produce 😂
And now, rather than fix the cam issue, they are desperatly trying to lock customers into 'boutique' servicing costs otherwise they will void your warranty. Lets hope people stop falling for this nonsense.
I won’t buy another KTM until they bring back the carburetor. I have a new Beta on order right now.
Emission laws... All new bikes have to be at Euro 5+ starting 1 Jan 2025. They're all going injection
So glad I bought the last year carbed TE250. Swapped carb from Mikuni to Keihin and life is so simple. Still has kickstart as well but the 6 yr old Lithium battery is still going strong. Probably shouldn't have typed that. 😂
No coincidence that the Beta 2 strokes run so nice with the Keihin as well.
Carbs ain’t coming back.
@@ChrisJones1974 I know that but I also know that other companies still sell bikes with them as standard equipment. KTM lost a customer forever.
@@dougfalstad5227 that's because they are low production and don't have to meet the same EPA air quality standards.
Thanks for the Update. It will be a Shock for some Racers and lot of Fans😮
Let's make three different brands that are the same, just different colors.
No , each brand has its own spec. Ride a 300 xcw and TE 300, not the same bikes.
The economy's fooked!
Yes, its like being in a recession. But were not, this is the new normal, uncontrolled immigration pushing house prices up, filling prisons, getting paid out of tax payers money whilst gov puts taxes up. The new norm
Every restaurant is packed like never before, go to a Lexus or BMW dealer on a Saturday and it's busy as hell. Vacation bookings are at an all time high. People have money now in the US and are spending. As long as they do prices will rise. It's the sign of a booming economy. The US GDP growth is many times better than any developed nation.
Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. They want you to think that because corporate profits are at a record high. Vote R to enrich the billionaires more. Go ahead.
@@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno it's not their money, it's debt, which the rest of the world paying for
@@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno BS
If you think the US economy is booming you’re a special kind of stupid.
Reality proves otherwise.. 🤡
There’s too much redundancy in the brands. Why are there 3 versions of the same bikes with only slight differences? Seems like such a waste in overhead, distribution costs and marketing.
beta all the way on my 3rd beta great bike great company and reliable i was looking at changing to a ktm but i think ill hold off for a while now
The reason for poor sales is the huge price tags... considering an average payment combined with inflation, is impossible for most to buy a brand new bike....at least in Romania.
theyre missing the bulk of buyers, most people arent jarvis or dungey; if they made an exc with ~2 in lower seat height and a detuned/more reliable ~400cc at current weight there wouldn't be a market for anything else
@@morkzorckerborg5000 What do you mean they are missing the bulk of the buyers, they sell more enduro / motocross bikes than all 4 japanese manufacturers put together 🤦♂️
CF Moto has that covered.
Yeah, why do they insist on making such tall bikes? I’m 5’5” and there are not many bikes out there that I can ride. Not everyone is 7’ tall!
KTM could work on their customer service and warranty reputation, that might help d'ya think? This is why I'm not interested in buying a ktm.
what brand has what you suggest they dont?
@@HPRaceDevelopment All brands in Australia suffer from poor importer service, but not to the extent of ktm. They appear to be one of the worst, reputationally.
@@aussiesam01 All i can say its they are by far the best in our experience. All the other oems have zero warranty with no exceptions on off road models. ktm used to have more - to build their brand strength - and it has dropped some - but its by far the best we have experienced.
This is exactly why I won't buy a ktm. But I would love to have a 1290 super adventure.
@@mikescott9213 sounds like u wont buy any new bike in that segment
I’m still riding my 2017 Ktm 690 enduro r. It’s been a reliable bike for me and a lot of fun both on and off-road. My only complaint is it becomes unstable when speeds go north of 85mph. I’ve tried different tires, added a Scott’s steering damper, played with tire pressures and suspension settings but it still gets unstable. Other than that it’s been a great bike.
Tried lowering rear preload to lower rear and get more stable front
@@Angry-Lynx No I’ve never adjusted the pre load. It’s still set where it was from the factory. Are you saying backing off on the preload, loosening the tension of the spring may help?
@@mikef3300 yes it's general consensus that with lower rear you change geometry/angle of the forks. The more angled the forks the more stable bike is but harder /slower to turn. I recently added a bunch of preload in the rear and indeed it feels like bike steers a lot quicker and with less force.
It's not better or worse, it's question.of what u prefer
@@Angry-Lynx I’d like to see what its top speed is but have never been able to because of the unstable feeling. I’m going to try your suggestion a little at a time and see what happens. My only other idea is to remove the front fender to see if it affects the handling at higher speeds. Thanks for your response
I’m sure Bishop California will keep them in business. 7 guys I worked with owned KTM, and I knew at least 3 others who had KTM. But that’s all you see in the Mammoth Lakes, eastern Sierra region. I could never figure out why so many were die hard KTM fans when the reliability just isn’t there. Love my Honda RX desert set up.
Guys, if a company has a recall that is paid mostly from insurance money, not out of pocket, that is not a big financial problem, but not owning a well-known camshaft (2019-2024 and going) issue is brand damaging. Now KTM gets the taste of how the market reacts to things like this. For India and Taiwan /Asia, there are the 390, 125, 200? Dukes, and ADVs, but that is not a reason to not make proper bikes (I mean big ccm ones) for the rest of the world. European and American markets are also huge, but we are tired of paying gold money for sh!t. I own a 790 Duke but I am more and more disappointed with how things are handled with the camshaft issues. Now they are replacing damaged camshafts/followers or even heads with goodwill if it is "heavily" damaged, but if it is "not that bad" you have to pay the dealer for the disassembly and assembly. For me, it is a basic step is to get all bikes back for a checkup for FREE (company insurance will pay) and if it is damaged then replace damaged parts, if not then make the customer happy with the good news. That will build the brand and the reliability back. It looks like lately they will not want it to restore...
Thank you for your thoughts, Rober!
I love my 2012 TM e n 300 Enduro 250 hours on the same piston and now my grandson rides it to this day I bought a betta 4:30 RR 2022 which I love to the match betta takes care of their people I wanted the Husqvarna 350 the Husqvarna shop talked me out of it because they were selling Vegas the husky was 3,000 more the beta did not need no upgrades right out of the crate it was the s***I am 65 years old and I have been riding for 55 years I've had every motorcycle made ever can I still ride
It would be nice if we could get a less expensive and easier to work on bike. Just a plain old carb with a two stroke engine and good suspension. It doesn’t need to be road legal, we have trails to ride. Sounds like a Yamaha yzx would do it. Hmm, cheaper, easier to work on, I think KTM used to build them like that, could be an easy fix
Basically their mid 2000 to early teen bikes. Although the e-starts were a constant issue. Wheel bearings and countershaft seals were high on the consumables list. I did creally like my '08 XC250. No e-start. Both good and bad I guess.
It’s starting to look like it could be low oil pump pressure causing the oil supply problems to the cams , lots of 790s/ 890’s coming up with less than 26 psi at idle and 50 psi at 7000 rpm which is what’s required by KTM’s own workshop manual.
When you say they are stopping racing with gasgas do you mean outright or jist the rally team? Is the mx team cancelled?
There was a time KTM was quality product, not so much nowadays😔
I loved the 17 xcw300 but my next bike will be a Rieju 300 , KYB suspension, carburetor, kickstart , premix and a reasonable price plus a two year warranty. As soon as I sell my present 300 a Rieju will be in my garage.
Energic, capable, exciting...
If reliability will be solved.
Everthing will be ok for KTM
It’s just a sensation but it seems it’s shared by many people: prices are skyrocketing compared to the rest of the market while reliability is still kind of an issue. I precise I’m the former owner of 2 Superduke V3 which ai loved and never had issues. Cheers ✌️
The Problem is,,,$9000-$11,000 dirtbikes...MOTO GP...40,000 different KTM Dirt Bikes,,,MXGP, SuperCross, MX, Off Road,,,,When you are spread too far, too thin...
I’ve been riding ktm for 24 years, back when they were the odd European bike that would wash out the front end. Last bike was a 2023 300xc, the absolute best 2 stroke I’ve ever had….except it developed a random bog at 20hr. I battled it for 27 hours. I jump a lot ride on the pipe, so the bog eventually put me in hospital. For 27 hours I replaced, adjusted, went back and forth with the dealer, went back and forth with ktm, nothing helped. The only thing left was to replace the ecu and tps. But after it bogged out on a jump and broke 2 ribs and busted my spleen I had enough. Ktm just didn’t care, they said take it to a dealer. The dealer and 2 other service managers at other dealers said with everything I did there wasn’t much they could do, and knowing I jump this bike they had reservations on getting involved. It’s gone, I’ll never buy another new ktm. On a 2024 yz250 now. It’s great to be jumping again and crapping myself every time I go to blip the throttle on a jump face. Ktm’s tech(not dealership) said only way to fix it was if if it’s hooked up to the laptop when it did it as it didn’t throw codes. Just happy that craps over. Shame, I do miss the 300. I’m currently looking for a pre tpi ktm/husky 300 with very low hours.
On edit, I am loving the yz250. It took a few hours and was an adjustment but back to jumping and I have to say, the kyb is incredible, especially compared to wp.
WP suspension is cheap crap.
I've heard of several people complain about these random bogs on the two-stroke
@@craigdavies8099 Thats why they have won the most amateur & professional championships in the last 15 years, clueless.
Japanese bikes are absolute garbage compared to the king of offroad, KTM 🍊🥇🏆💯
Your bogging problem is most likely caused by a malfunctioning Crankcase Pressure Sensor (CCPS). This $50 part usually degrades slowly, sending an improper signal to the ECU which then commands the fuel injection system to inject an improper amount of fuel. This has been problematic with both the TPI and later TBI systems. The sensor was redesigned for the TBI bikes with a larger port, bigger hose, and easier replacement, but still is problematic. Mine began to degrade at 135 hours on my 2024 TE 300. The degradation doesn’t show up as a no start or fault code. I just replace the CCPS at 100 hours or at the first sign of trouble. Consider it a regular service item like the spark plug or air filter. I have 175 hard hours on my bike in less than a year and this has been the only failure.
@@garthlundquist3623 lol
No. I went the distance trying to fix this, with service managers and ktm themselves. I ran this bike hard, on the pipe unlike most weekend worriers. Heres a list of stuff done over 3 months..fyi, the ccps and pickup filter are rarely the issue. My advice is don’t run the tbi in a mx or sx situation.
Stuff done on my 2023 300xc that didnt fix bog…
-Replaced inline fuel filter multiple times
-Replaced fuel pump pick up filter($60)
-Tested old fuel pump(48psi) and replaced with new fuel pump, with part number ending in 200(supposedly updated)($275)
-stripped down and checked wire harness, also with bike running trying to move wires to find short.
-ended up cutting open wire harness and checking for shorts on main trunk and throttle body branch. Looked beautiful in there. Everything under new electrical tape has been looked at.
-pulled all connections looking for issues
-changed spark plug 3 times, plugs always looked good, never fouled one, currently tried a 7 range plug.($25)
-had dealer update software and look for codes, there were none($130)
-did top end(used vortex oem piston)and pulled and cleaned power valve at 37 hr per ktm customer service advice($350). Old rings still measured the same ring gap as new ones. Used .62mm base gasket.
-Set power valve to 48mm(z dimension)
-Adjusted tps to .400 volts, reset tps with wake up connector and 3 throttle twists
-recalibrated power valve on both maps multiple time
-changed crank case sensor twice, even used sealant on last one to be sure wasn’t leaking($120)
-current compression is 208 psi, was 196 before top end at 37hr
-current deck height is between 0.00 and .008, squish is like 2.15
-checked stator- .9 ohms cold, 1.2 ohms hot.
-pulled injectors inspected and cleaned externally
-tried different fuels, one was an ethanol free 93 octane
Totally agree with scottharley below, the camshaft issue. Living in denial is suicidal.
I bought my 1290 SD in 2017 for around 16k€, it has been unreliable junk. Today the same bike is pretty much 23k€, my wage in the meantime remained more or less the same, but come on let us all act surprised brands aren't selling bikes.
This is why I keep my CRF450R -08 😁
Bought me a Beta couldn't be happier.
I have a 2023 RC390. the quality really is not that bad. And the dealer is great. The only one that year did not charge me a mark up. But the design of the 390 engine I really do not like. The 6th gear is almost useless on the highway, you can't drop the rev to below 6k on 6th gear or it will take a long time to rev back up. Oh, I do have an engine cut out issue on throttle closing sometimes which they had no solution. And i had a light oil leak too. So, quality just okay. lol
its been said on here,and it comes back to how you treat your customer base.i bought my 1st ktm 2years ago,a 6month old gen3 sdr.its now been sold and i will NEVER buy another ktm.how many people have had the same experience as me?if you piss off the customers,you're done.
5:00 Bigger problem , will you be able to buy the parts needed to service these bikes in the future, especially with the camshaft problem many users now face and this problem not getting acknowledged and/or handled by KTM. I am not talking small parts like gaskets and filters,, but engine parts like cylinder heads and camshafts.
They will have parts availability, They are reduce/change they bike availability
My 2016 200xcw is the best bike I've owned. My 19 250xcf was a straight up lemon right off the rip. That's when quality started going downhill.
Bought a 24 KTM 890 Adventure R Rally and it’s great at 3000 miles with no issues. The motorcycle shop is a ghost town nobody buying bikes right now
They're buying camshafts instead.
3000 miles is like a couple rides. Wait until 30000 miles and report back.. :)
Damn 😂so should I get a BMW?
Well, the 'market' is a competition on its own. It's all about demand and supply, and if KTM won't supply then others will. Like with any business, if there is a demand it will be supplied by someone, and there may be competition between several suppliers. Looks like KTM has played out its roll here in the west, moving on to asia to try that market, will it succeed? Maybe - It doesn't matter who supplies the bikes as long as the bikes are good enough and people have the money to buy.
Moto GP is a huge undertaking financially, that's why Kawasaki and Suzuki don't do Moto GP, I saw it coming a mile away when they stepped into Moto GP, KTM was a dirt bike company that built the best off road bikes for enduro, cross country later motocross. I still own a KTM 300 , worked in KTM shops, raced KTM for over 10 years, they lost me as a customer when it started feeling like the bikes are built to sell, KTM "was" a motorcycle built to race
Know The Mechanic , Buy Championships , Buy Dakar , its a illusion of a quality product . All the race bikes have all the known to fail parts swapped out , fuel pumps fuel filters the list goes on ! Ktm still sells next years model with the same made in Turkey rubbish in tank filters that crack or split. Frankenstein bike is ktmhuskaberggas , bits and pieces of cheap parts dressed in a appearance of quality . Polished Turds, always have been and appears always will be . Wheel Bearings anyone ? Starter motors anyone , Reeds anyone , crank case seals anyone , leaking air filter boxs anyone . Massive list of rubbish r and d on quality and reliability. The magazines and marketing departments love the ktm gag orders .
Was the $2.5 Billion loss an annual or 1/4ly (3 months) loss?
I think there are different problems to address: the ridiculous pricing, the lineup, customer support, quality issues, PR, ....
Should supply two bikes for same price, one for spares then ready to race
KTM 50 SX for 6k here in Canada. All that before fees and a 15% tax. You have to make damn sure your kid wants to ride before you buy that.
I have a ktm 150 2019. It is ok. But i will get a 250 yamaha 2005 now and rebuild it like new.
KTM is going to cut costs. They will not reimburse anyone for their screwups. Investors made their money. They don'tcare. Next, they will trash it and claim a write-off later.
Cost increases apply across most vehicle and motorcycle segments so there are ongoing sacrifices brands are making. The curve will bend up again
Now I'm scared to buy a KTM. Now I see why they didn't fix some problems on the 2025 300xc
What problems???
@@jss9849 ...How about the piston hitting the crank. How about the weak stator that can't support a radiator fan or front light if one wanted to add it to an xc. How about the fuel pump not placed at the bottom of the gas tank. These problems
Nothings going to happen. This is an overall slump in the global automobile market. They sudden surge post COVID due to the pent up demand is waning. Customers are preferring smaller bikes. The 390s are going to be in demand. And the US will witness brands like Royal Enfield penetrating the market.
Don't this guy is full of shit
Thanks for the video. Sad news and explains why I got such a great discount on a 24 Gas Gas ES500. No big problem as my Gas Gas uses KTM parts.Guess I will have an orphan bike though?
My ktms both two strokes and my 500 have been the most reliable bikes I've owned, I ride everyday in the hot hard desert in central desert of Australia. Previously I rode Suzuki but KTM have been such a better bike in all aspects.
Need to look potential partnership, strategic bussiness landscape like Asean region. Where people still interested in low cc like 250 200 125 in low budget price.
Ready to Race. Nope not since about 2014-16 have they been that. They started cheaping out on WP suspension componentry, single function forks, air forks, using Mikuni Carbs instead of Keihin, TPI motors that need rebuilds every 30-40 hours or they run weird, enduro frames that feel like they came of the MX/SX production line, Husquvarna's and Gasgas's with BrakeTec brakes instead of Brembo. And Price tags that would suggest they were some boutique brand that made 500 bikes a year. If they just kept just making the 2013 KTM300 with fresh plastics they would have been sitting happy now. They did it to themselves. But, I still don't won't them to go broke and start turning out junk like Honda
Basically, this is what Japanese 4 saw in the mid 2000s. They realized that Europe and NA market is shrinking, new riders are no longer interested in “performance bikes”, and emerging markets are huge on practicality with small displacement. All 4 brands made moves in the 90s and early 2000s and have already matured into the market. KTM, BMW, and Triumph are considered rather late to the market and they have to ride on the back of Bajaj, CJ Moto, and other local brands in order to move into the emerging market, where as companies like Honda has developed and nurtured local companies (like Hero in India) and well established themselves to all these markets. They are now pulling themselves out of the racing and other sport events as they no longer see ROI in the investments - MotoGP/WSBK is considered dying sport (my wife’s company sponsors both series).
To give you heads up, as of 2023, the smallest of the Japanese 4 - Suzuki - its profit (Not revenue, PROFIT!) from one major market in country of India matches entire global sales of KTM.
1. Losing $160M in the e-bike program didn't help, I guess
2. Global down turn in bike sales, too.
3. And how much have they sunk/lost into MotoGP?
I wonder where will this leave cfmoto and particularly the cfmoto 800mt, I bought a new one 10 weeks ago 🤔🤔
Last year I bought a brand new 2023 gas gas ec300 only because they had a promotion on the bikes with no VAT. The bike should have been just over 9k I got it for £7600 otr. Just done over a 1000 miles a mixture of road, green lanes, enduro events and motocross tracks and to be honest I can't fault it. I've serviced it to the book and it's been faultless .
Are u fucking trolling? 1000km dude gtfo 😂 that's not even break-in period
KTM = Keep Throwing Money.
I have one 500 and one 1290 r love this bikes 🤟hope the make it
KTM stand for (keep taking money).
And ready to race to the bottom.
@@ballerblocks Ready to race to the bottom but are the winningest offroad manufacturer in motocross, enduro & dakar in the last 20 years, smooth brain 🫵😭
KTM Once again embarrassing the competition dominating another national at Ironman winning 3 out of 4 motos, winning the overall in both the 250 & 450 class with Tom Vialle & Chase Sexton, and Aaron Plessinger once again on the podium making it another 1-2 for RedBull KTM, Complete and utter domination for the best offroad manufacturer on the planet🥇🏆🍊💯
KTM Absolutely DOMINATES the AMA 450 Pro Motocross championship with Chase Sexton winning 7 out of 11 overalls and teammate Aaron Plessinger going 1-2 in 4 of the rounds & being on the podium together 6 times, beautiful to see. 🍊🥇🏆💯
There is simply no denying that KTM has the best 250f on the planet, sweeping both east & west coast championships & the futures, incredible. 💯🏆🍊
KTM is the KING of offroad. They have won the most supercross & motocross championships out of any manufacturer in the last 20 years. and have dominated enduro 25 years in a row. DOMINANT 🍊💯
KTM MX2 World Championships: 2003 2004 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2022 2023 🔥🍊💯
KTM MXGP World Championships: 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2017 2018 2021 2023 🔥🍊💯
KTM Supercross 450 Championships: 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2021 🔥🍊💯
KTM Has won an incredible 64 out of 81 Motos this year at loretta lynns. Pure DOMINATION. this once again proves that KTM is the best Motocross & Enduro manufacturer on the planet. KINGS 🔥👑🍊🧡💯
@@RogerT-kt3zdyou are a classic case of what's described as ostrich syndrome.
(Your house is on fire!!! Oh no look at how beautiful my house is.) No one is deriding KTM for it's racing pedigree, but for its on-road presence,quality and financial mismanagement.
The conversation is about how they are destroying a great motorcycle company.
I've been waiting over a year for parts for my MV Agusta Rush 1000. The defective parts are under warranty, but the parts aren't attainable. This is frustrating, to say the least. My bike is depreciating in value, and I can't ride/enjoy it.
Does the KTM car department have an impact ?
I service my KTM because the local dealer's mechanics and service is pure garbage. I'm bound to this bike now, but I will never again buy a KTM. Anyone asks me and I refer them to a different brand. Too many headaches with KTM, just makes something your supposed to enjoy, a nightmare. Great video, I can't wait to see how KTM will react to all of this.
Well, the dealers in Europe, North and South America, Australia and New Zeeland are not selling much bikes the last years.
Only in Asia the sales are up, but the cheaper bikes are the bulk of sales there..
I'm especially surprised given, best I can tell, they ACCELERATED their plans to acquire a majority stake of MV Agusta. They'd already taken a good chunk (25%?) with the option for 50.1 majority later. If I remember, they'd originally said they planned to take majority in 2025, but instead they pushed it up.
KTM specialize in buying other bike companies and wrecking them. I hope KTM goes bust, they deserve it.