@@elderman64 *Você poderia comparar gráficos de tempo de quadro, atrasos, fps etc. para cada uma das soluções de armazenamento também? O armazenamento não influencia* O dispositivo de armazenamento só faz diferença quando é necessário carregar informações do computador para a memória ram Após o jogo ter sido carregado, o processador e a placa de vídeo entram em jogo, o que influencia o FPS 05/01/25 | 19:15...
@@noc44as a person rocking three HDD's, I can confirm my life feels full and fresh due to just the amount I've self reflected on myself during game loading
@@shreyasdharashivkar8027 if your pro and understand the game well then ofc it doesn't mean anything to u.Otherwise it can be helpful for beginners or in words noobs which most Pc gamers with 1000 dollar PC's stuck at same stage playing over and over again till they somehow manage move to next phase of the game after completing the first one.
@@Ladioz I think the speed difference between sata and nvme is so minimal that you are probably mistaking some cpu, shader compilation stutter with it.
HDD still works perfetcly fine for old games. And it will not affect your fps or stability in game. For example: Call of Duty 4 to Call of Duty Black ops 2 an HDD would work perfectly fine.
Seeing that SSD is far more reliable than HDD that uses moving parts that can break down, it's not wise to put your personal and important data on them too.
How much data are we talking? Modern SSDs get up to 2TB, even 4TB if you are willing to spend more money. HDD holds the same while being less reliable.
Not at all !! HDD are notably not reliant because they involve mecanical parts. I bought 2 HDD and 2 SSD 10 years ago, my 2 HDD are now dead (last one died 2 month ago) while my SSD are still rocking.
@@jamesschaller753 there is a reason: you can have more than two or three ssds since most motherboards only have that many ssd slots, you can use pcie but it may disable something you don't want I have 2x m2 and 1x sata ssd
I built a 486 DX2 66mhz, 8MB ram computer when I was 14. I couldn't even tell you the 2D/3D acceleration card I had back then (maybe Matrox)... but it played Janes USNF '97 quite well. And MS Flight Simulator 5.1. And of course DOOM 2!! Need for Speed Underground 2 came a bit later, probably with a graphics accelerator and a Cyrix chip! (Probably 100mhz, but maybe more). It's really hard to keep track of how far I've come! 😃
People have done those videos before. The differences in game load times are very small. The slowest M.2 and the fastest M.2 are within 10% of each other.
It's not about the sequential read/write speeds, it's more about random read/write speeds, and even SATA SDDs are very close to NVMe in random speeds, it relies in good controllers, DRAM cache, and things like that. Both SSDs are both much much faster than HDD, for example, it's 1MB/s for HDD and 30-50MB/s for SSD.
I don't know who you are, or where you're from, but literally *ANY* benchmark comparison I can imagine in my mind... you've posted. You branching out from GPU's is a fun distraction, and this one further proves that M.2 NVMe's aren't that much better than standard SataIII SSD's. 👌 Big thanks for all you do! 🙏
HDDs are obsolete now (at least for gaming) yet here in the Philippines, a lot of gaming PCs, especially ones with Ryzen APUs still have 1TB HDDs and 128GB SSD
For Gaming: Sata SSD and M.2 NVME has no real world difference. So you'll be fine with either of them. M.2 NVME shows it's true power/purpose only if you need to process or transfer large amounts of files. For loading Games, Textures etc. This won't matter. Conclusion: Still you should get M.2 NVME's as they are often the same in price with the Sata SSD one's but if you don't have a M.2 slot or you ran out. Buying Sata SSD is a fine alternative. Don't go HDD unless really needed (Like server PC's or sumthing)
While I do use a pretty decent gen 4 nvme for gaming, I am never ever going to use it to store anything important on it. There's just way too many horror stories of them failing to keep things long term. That's why I'm still using my HDD for all personal and work related stuff. You can get insane amount of storage for less money and they really don't need much to last you a lifetime. I am so grateful to see case manufacturers still include HDD racks to this day!
Thats the best way to do it. Store important files on a HDD and use a SSD for gaming. That's what I have in my rig. All my important files are on a 8TB HDD and all my games are split across 3 SSDs. Two NVME drives and a SATA SSD. I never want to go back to a mechanical hard drive for games. Especially not after being spoiled with blazing fast loading times.
These tests are always load times which m.2 and regular ssd load games the same. The biggest difference comes from stutter reduction/loading textures using a m2.
I hate how Forza takes several business days to launch compared to most games. Especially when you update GPU drivers, so you also have to wait for shader compilation.
Not as long as Last of Us though. Last of Us is like 30 minutes. Meanwhile Forza 5 took like a minute. The only difference is that Last of Us still stutters despite already compiled pile of ****. 🤷♀
Most applications don’t use multiple parallel disk threads or command queues, so will never benefit from the NVMe protocol. Developers have to explicitly parallelize their disk activity to use NVMe properly.
Where I live NVMe SSDs cost the same as SATA and they're more convenient - no cables and only 1 screw. Though I would say they are definitely overhyped. Some people act like SATA is garbage and NVMe the second coming of Christ.
Is there any M.2 2242 SSD available in the market? As I have one free slot in my laptop. Also, can I use that port to do something else rather than putting ssd
I also tested Alone in the dark game. On hdd its runs bad . texture loads very late and fps drops. Atleast get a sata ssd if u wana play new games. Keep Hdd for media and older games only
Right now on overclockers UK, both a WD Blue 1TB SATA and 1TB M.2 drives are both £63.95. I recommend M.2 if like me, you have used all your SATA slots. *Edit* I just double checked the specs as they are similar; The M.2 drive of the SA510 and SSD drive SA510 have the same connections and same write speeds. It's always a good idea to double and triple check to make sure you are getting the most performance. Form factor M.2 does *not* equal better performance alone. Be cautious.
a request to the admin of this channel , please start including frame time and frame pacing in the coming benchmarks with the new release of cpu, gpu, ram , storage in the upcoming year because these values are going to become more important as the frame per second will be high in all scenarios given that pc hardware has come a long way , 1 percent , 0.1 percent lows , frame time , frame pacing is what decides the actual user experience in games especially for online games , please highlight them because most people think only fps matters ........ gamers should become more educated .....
I built an i7 6700K and an i7 9700K system that both had M.2 slots but continued to use SATA SSD. Since M.2 drives are dirt cheap these days, my upcoming 9800X3D build will definitely be using M.2 SSD just to save space on cabling.
I have a suggestion for further testing on this topic. Its very interesting, and a real eye opener, but its also a rabbit hole into wonderland. Use a caching program (PrimoCache), and set an L1 caching task reserving some RAM (the more, the better), and associate it to the HDD. You can use any drive type (Even flash drives and SD cards.), but the most impressive and relevant results will come from HDDs, and Sata SSDs. The speeds you will get, even from the HDDs, will rival (or surpass) NVMe drives. At least in file transfers they do, i never tried it with games installed as i only use HDDs for external backup storage these days, but i don't see why it wouldn't greatly benefit game loading as well. I like it so much, that i bought a Primocache license. I bought 64Gb of RAM, of which i use half as L1 cache. And i even went a little crazy and also bought an Intel Optane M10 64Gb module, that i use as L2 caching. (Its overkill, but i really wanted to test one of these). I feed this setup into all my drives, permanent, or removable. For a "small" demonstration, here's a quick test i made, using a single run on CrystalDiskMark, on the Real World Performance profile (NVMe preset), with an almost full, external USB HDD, 5400rpm (Western Digital Elements). Here's the result: i.postimg.cc/FzdnnCtn/Crystal-Disk-Mark-20240509200931.png Compare it with your own drives, using the same settings. Mighty impressive as you can see.
На обычном жестяке после загрузки мира еще текстуры будут грузится какое-то время и на звуках и эффектах, производимых твоими действиям, тоже будет подлагивать, тк не может их синхронно подгрузить. У меня для любимых игр м2, для стареньких - сата. У сата особо нет плюсов сегодня, разве что, можно купить штук 5 бушных за копейки и неплохо расширить хранилище, но по скорости записи недорогой сата проиграет нвми, а дорогой сата брать ой как не хочется.
How about instead of just testing the loading you also test in game performance to see if theres any difference. Such as assets not loading in time or stutters.
I thought there was something wrong with my pc when I saw forza horizon 5 take that long to load, even on an ssd. thanks for calming my worries lol I wonder why that game takes so much longer than many other ones. from experience, it streams in many textures even after loading in
I prefer SATA SSD, because I often need to hot-swap drives for the work I do. Also cheaper at high capacity than M.2. For a consumer that didn't need to remove/swap drives much, M.2 should be the way to go. Only my gaming PC at home has an M.2 drive, rest of my builds don't bother.
I would still say that use HHD for single players games like GTA 5 (not online) and God of War ,but use an SSD try to get NVMe but if don't have slots get a SATA for multiplayer and online games like Fortnite or Warzone.
OK, but how about comparing x3 M.2: 1) the slowest (the cheepest), 2) medium on price and speed and 3) the fastest one (and the most expensive, like 980 pro by Samsung or something similar)?
Any chance you could eventually trying with two hdd set up as one with raid 0? I did this on a PC build recently that I'm selling and it felt like fallout 4 loaded a lot quicker than when I used to play on just a single HDD. Curious to see timings of a raid setup vs normal hdd
Sorry friend but HDD cannot run modern games no matter what you do to it. The proper way is to put games on ssd and keep hdd only for storage purposes.
Yeah even today I am seeing 1tb nvme and SATA SSDs same price as 2tb of HDD and 1 TB extra does make difference if your going to update your games like warzone 100gb every month.Even Apex legends takes up to like 75gb of storage space after every update.
Damn I never thought my drives are the problem, had a game on HDD and thought the problem was my poor gpu. Sold my pc but it's nice to learn for my next build.
advantage of HDD is a massive game library on the cheap and with easy optimization namely primocache and ram, or enabling disk cache with a mod any game can become fast like an ssd. this has been proven over and over even in ssd required games. load times after the first become fast and gameplay smooth. you just need the gpu and ram to do all the heavy lifting, storage is mattering alot less with direct storage and these programs. so long as we have modder and programmer support ill continue to use my 100tb worth of drives for games. if it ever ends ill just enjoy the old ones.
Don't forget the convenience of NVMe by not taking up as much space or requiring SATA cables inside the case. Considering it costs almost the same now, no point in SATA.
Mostly true yes. At the same time if you already have a SATA SSD there’s also not a lot of reason to upgrade to NVMe. And since there usually is only one NVMe slot, SATA is still extremely useful if you want more than one drive. The cables are definitely annoying though.
Games with shader cache there is a bigger difference. My nvme loads cache up about 3 times faster than my sata SSD does. SSD and nvme are close. Just pointing out the actually difference is game dependent most of the time.
its not only importent loading screen, hdd make feel stutter your screen and game its unplayable for me, your pc power on-off time is way too longer if your system has hdd. After sell my 1tb hdd to funny number and just buy ssds after this.
I designed a brand new computer last month. All the internal hardware and case is brand new. I have Windows 11 Pro on a Corsair m.2 2TB gen5 (PCI 5.0) nvme. And my games on a different storage drive same exact drive as my OS is on. Those two drives have direct CPU access. Every game I load at max settings. Such as Dead Island 2, Mortal Kombat 1 Reborn, Cyber Punk 2077, Robocop Rouge City, Diablo 4. I kid you not. All it takes for all those games is 3 seconds on the loading screen. And then the game is fully playable. And I tested Diablo 4 last night. It's one of the few games out. That uses Direct Storage where a pci 4 or 5 nmve qualifying drive like I have. Direct X 12 Ultimate with Shaders 6.0 (I have an MSI GeForce 4080 16GB Super video card that features that). It loads from the storage drive to the system RAM directly then to the GPU/Video RAM. It bypasses loading to the CPU. Diablo 4 loaded to play with this technology last night in 3 seconds I just had to wait. Make sure your drives for gaming have direct CPU access on the mainboard. I full disk encrypted my OS for a test. Using AES-NI encryption hardware acceleration built in on my AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU. I encrypted 2TB in 13 minutes. I'm living in my glory with this PC.
На каком диске стояла Windows? Фоновые процессы и файлы подкачки отвлекают ресурсы у рабочего диска. Рабочий диск с играми и программами должен быть без Windows, тогда он будет работать быстрее. Особенно это касается старого HDD, он будет загружать игры в 2 раза быстрее.
I got a pc and knew nothing about them I had a ssd and a hdd for extra storage but downloaded my games on my hdd let me just say… I had rust downloaded on it and literally had a shower took my time in it and come back did a few clash of clans attacks watched a few videos before finally loading into the game now I know why it took so long
Loading time is not everything and not the most important for games. It would be much more interesting to see the impact on GPU 1% and 0.1% lows. Especially on systems with low VRAM and/or low RAM. The overall responsivity of a system only depends on its slowest part. 1% lows are most likely due to SSD access to feed the GPU instead of VRAM or DRAM. Then it would be judicious to also test SSDs with DRAM and DRAM-less SSDs.
So you've saved yourself 1 second a day of load time with SSD that twice the price. Noice 👌😎 BTW I also have m.2 ssds but.. clearly they aren't impressive for gaming. Pcie 3 vs pcie 5 m.2 is probably 1/4 of a second or less on most games lol so long as you aren't on hddd... You good 100%
Не сказал бы, что мои 2 HDD медленные, по 230 - 250 МБ/с. При должном уходе с ними нет проблем. Запись на дешёвый SSD 256 GB TLC происходит раз в 10 дольше 😆 (10 - 50 МБ/с), а быстрое только чтение (200 - 400 МБ/с). В основном ПК у меня NVME 970 Pro 1 TB MLC, если что (под систему и требовательные игры). 32 ГБ ОЗУ позволяют и с ЖД играть, без упора в подкачку.
А как загружается система без быстрой загрузки ? у меня отключена быстрая загрузка потому что установлена амд видеокарта а производители амд и нвидиа рекомендуют отключать быструю загрузку что бы загружались нормально драйвера и не было сбоев следую этим советам и никаких проблем ни разу не было
had 2 sshd they boot and perform like champ, almost like ssd, wd black not too far from sshd, hdd 5400rpm is just bad, raid0 hdd pretty good, raid0 ssd very impressive what ive never tried is intel optane
Games :
Horizon Forbidden West - 0:06
Starfield - 0:53
Forza Horizon 5 - 1:36 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
Assassin's Creed Mirage - 2:57
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora - 3:42
Cyberpunk 2077 - 5:11 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
Alan Wake 2 - 5:41
Hogwarts Legacy - 6:24 - gvo.deals/TG3HogwartsLegacy
Resident Evil 4 - 7:09
System:
Windows 11
Ryzen 7 7800X3D - bit.ly/43e3VxW
MSI MPG X670E CARBON
G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz - bit.ly/3XlBGdU
GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16GB - bit.ly/48U6jfH
HDD - WD Blue 7200rpm 1TB - bit.ly/2KxYSFc
SSD SATA 3 - Samsung 870 - bit.ly/3wuPfPG
SSD M.2 - Samsung 980 PRO - bit.ly/3USqF4w
Power Supply CORSAIR HX Series HX1200 1200W - bit.ly/3EZWtNj
WD Blue not is a good HD, only WD Red.
Could you compare frametime graphs, delays, fps etc for each of the storage solution too?
@TestingGames can you do the same test but in game testing frame rate on all games NVME vs SSD vs HDD for frame testing performance
Specifically which m.2 and ssd sata did you use?
@@elderman64 *Você poderia comparar gráficos de tempo de quadro, atrasos, fps etc. para cada uma das soluções de armazenamento também? O armazenamento não influencia*
O dispositivo de armazenamento só faz diferença quando é necessário carregar informações do computador para a memória ram Após o jogo ter sido carregado, o processador e a placa de vídeo entram em jogo, o que influencia o FPS
05/01/25 | 19:15...
The advantage of using an HDD is that you can see your reflection in the screen in front of you and reflect on all the problems in your life
You can even go and make a cup of tea between levels!
@@Nick_R_ on some games, you can even going out solving your real world problems and still have enough time to read some of the game tips
XD funny
And its cheap😅
@@noc44as a person rocking three HDD's, I can confirm my life feels full and fresh due to just the amount I've self reflected on myself during game loading
Advantages of HDD: "You have time to read the tips or part of the game's story"
SSD - M.2: *¡NO!*
Yeah it's useful to get experience especially in games like elden ring or souls games where finding tips to defeat a boss.
🤡 take. Nobody reads them, real players figure it out themselves
@@shreyasdharashivkar8027 if your pro and understand the game well then ofc it doesn't mean anything to u.Otherwise it can be helpful for beginners or in words noobs which most Pc gamers with 1000 dollar PC's stuck at same stage playing over and over again till they somehow manage move to next phase of the game after completing the first one.
1000 dólares, aqui dá 5 mil reais@@greatexpectation6456
no body really reads then
It's not just loading. HDD's have texture pop ins, stutters and fps drops in cpu heavy games.
Yes, that is important to mention
💯%
HDD in any games in general.
SATA SSD have stutters in games too sometimes. They can't keep up with loading textures fast enough
@@Ladioz I think the speed difference between sata and nvme is so minimal that you are probably mistaking some cpu, shader compilation stutter with it.
5:06 Avatar 😱🤯
OMG that Avatar HDD loading time! Damn....
Avatar on HDD 😮💀
Nap break for gamers
Classic Ubisoft moment
When loading took more than gameplay.
bro what the actual fuck
5min to load the game 💀
Rumor has it that Pandora is still loading...
Sata ssd still rocks
@@zauce1627 br certeza
@@Shydou-exe😂
Not when they're usually the same price as NVME
@@GenshinHonkaiStarRailImpact but if you already had all m2 slots full, is worth just to put more satas then buying a nvme with more storage
HDD for gaming in 2024? NO.
HDD for personal data and important data? YES.
HDD in 2024 is best option for storing large number of data
HDD still works perfetcly fine for old games. And it will not affect your fps or stability in game. For example: Call of Duty 4 to Call of Duty Black ops 2 an HDD would work perfectly fine.
Seeing that SSD is far more reliable than HDD that uses moving parts that can break down, it's not wise to put your personal and important data on them too.
How much data are we talking?
Modern SSDs get up to 2TB, even 4TB if you are willing to spend more money.
HDD holds the same while being less reliable.
Not at all !! HDD are notably not reliant because they involve mecanical parts. I bought 2 HDD and 2 SSD 10 years ago, my 2 HDD are now dead (last one died 2 month ago) while my SSD are still rocking.
I'm more amazed by the fact that a SATA SSD (~600MBps) is only a couple seconds slower than a M.2 NVME (~7000MBps).
SSD SATA -Best decision price/time
And compatibility, you can take it to any PC.
Bro a good NVME is like $50 almost the same price as SSD no reason to have one now a days tbh 😂
@@jamesschaller753only reason i got one is because i had no other slot for an m.2 so there’s one reason to get one lol
@@jamesschaller753 there is a reason: you can have more than two or three ssds since most motherboards only have that many ssd slots, you can use pcie but it may disable something you don't want
I have 2x m2 and 1x sata ssd
@@Dregomz02 It will disable the sata slots I'm not using because of my 6 m.2 drives.
I miss the time when booting up the PC means its time to load up the laundry and do the dishes.
I remembered the old days when i had a 120gb hdd and had to wait the Need for Speed Underground 2 to load... This with a 768mb of ram on Windows XP...
I built a 486 DX2 66mhz, 8MB ram computer when I was 14. I couldn't even tell you the 2D/3D acceleration card I had back then (maybe Matrox)... but it played Janes USNF '97 quite well. And MS Flight Simulator 5.1. And of course DOOM 2!!
Need for Speed Underground 2 came a bit later, probably with a graphics accelerator and a Cyrix chip! (Probably 100mhz, but maybe more). It's really hard to keep track of how far I've come! 😃
High end machine. I used to play on a Dual Core 1.5ghz 256mb RAM
dude who invented ssd
you saved so much time
Hey, good point. Who invented SSD?
Fujio Masuoka. He invended NAND flash memory which is used in most modern SSDs.
a black woman
@@marcos-r1v Nope. A Japanese guy named Fujio Masuoka
I would rather see a video comparing SSD M.2's speeds; example would be a 5000 MB/s vs 7000 MB/s. Or, perhaps be a Gen 3 + Gen 4 +Gen 5 comparison.
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People have done those videos before. The differences in game load times are very small. The slowest M.2 and the fastest M.2 are within 10% of each other.
The difference is minimal. Even the much slower SATA SSD on its worst benchmark was only a few seconds slower than the NVMe drive.
Thanks for the responses selohcin and Biyobi
It's not about the sequential read/write speeds, it's more about random read/write speeds, and even SATA SDDs are very close to NVMe in random speeds, it relies in good controllers, DRAM cache, and things like that. Both SSDs are both much much faster than HDD, for example, it's 1MB/s for HDD and 30-50MB/s for SSD.
Its more than just loading in most of these games you would also have stuttering and pop in on HDD.
I don't know who you are, or where you're from, but literally *ANY* benchmark comparison I can imagine in my mind... you've posted. You branching out from GPU's is a fun distraction, and this one further proves that M.2 NVMe's aren't that much better than standard SataIII SSD's. 👌
Big thanks for all you do! 🙏
HDDs are obsolete now (at least for gaming) yet here in the Philippines, a lot of gaming PCs, especially ones with Ryzen APUs still have 1TB HDDs and 128GB SSD
its not really, you can go take a shit while the gaming is loading
php 2.7k for bnew 1tb hdd vs php 3.5k for bnew 1tb sata ssd
php 800 price difference for INSANE amount of loading time difference.
@@xTurtleOW games also struggle performance wise with HDDs too, it'll cause stuttering and things not loading or textures not loading etc
They put the HDD for everything but games, like pictures or movies for instance
@@tkimtkim what am I supposed to do with the measly 128GB SSD then?
For Gaming:
Sata SSD and M.2 NVME has no real world difference. So you'll be fine with either of them.
M.2 NVME shows it's true power/purpose only if you need to process or transfer large amounts of files. For loading Games, Textures etc. This won't matter.
Conclusion: Still you should get M.2 NVME's as they are often the same in price with the Sata SSD one's but if you don't have a M.2 slot or you ran out. Buying Sata SSD is a fine alternative. Don't go HDD unless really needed (Like server PC's or sumthing)
Buying Sata SSD if they are cheaper than M.2 NVME in your area is also a no brainer for a gamer
but the m2 get hot and can burn the motherboard, it is safer to use ssd
@@adolfogarcia7881thats only gen 5 m.2 ssd just get a gen 4 one and you will be fine
While I do use a pretty decent gen 4 nvme for gaming, I am never ever going to use it to store anything important on it. There's just way too many horror stories of them failing to keep things long term. That's why I'm still using my HDD for all personal and work related stuff. You can get insane amount of storage for less money and they really don't need much to last you a lifetime. I am so grateful to see case manufacturers still include HDD racks to this day!
Thats the best way to do it.
Store important files on a HDD and use a SSD for gaming. That's what I have in my rig.
All my important files are on a 8TB HDD and all my games are split across 3 SSDs. Two NVME drives and a SATA SSD.
I never want to go back to a mechanical hard drive for games. Especially not after being spoiled with blazing fast loading times.
Yeap. Still have my Hdd from my highschool years. Kinda insane how its still alive and running.
Its slow but sometimes you dont need fast for certain things.
@@P.W.R.is there any difference between NVMe and sata ?
These tests are always load times which m.2 and regular ssd load games the same. The biggest difference comes from stutter reduction/loading textures using a m2.
I just bought a Sata SSD SanDisk Ultra 512gb to leave my old HDD retire. It's another life in PC and games.
I hate how Forza takes several business days to launch compared to most games. Especially when you update GPU drivers, so you also have to wait for shader compilation.
Forza is such a well optimised game when it comes to FPS considering most games nowadays are shit at optimisation, but loading time is terrible
Apex also does that when you update drivers or the game itself. Takes 3 minutes at times.
Not as long as Last of Us though. Last of Us is like 30 minutes. Meanwhile Forza 5 took like a minute. The only difference is that Last of Us still stutters despite already compiled pile of ****. 🤷♀
Forza is developed by some of the most r-worded people on planet Earth. That is why.
Most applications don’t use multiple parallel disk threads or command queues, so will never benefit from the NVMe protocol. Developers have to explicitly parallelize their disk activity to use NVMe properly.
If you are a gamer, then do you really need to spend 20-30$ extra to load your game a second faster.
Yes it’s only 30 bucks.
Where I live NVMe SSDs cost the same as SATA and they're more convenient - no cables and only 1 screw. Though I would say they are definitely overhyped. Some people act like SATA is garbage and NVMe the second coming of Christ.
Since the NvME drives mount directly on the motherboard, it helps with the air circulation.
@@Regexion One has very limited slot, usually just 1 in budget mb
Is there any M.2 2242 SSD available in the market? As I have one free slot in my laptop. Also, can I use that port to do something else rather than putting ssd
I didn’t thought what the SSD sata would have difference whit SSD NVME only 1 second
I also tested Alone in the dark game. On hdd its runs bad . texture loads very late and fps drops. Atleast get a sata ssd if u wana play new games. Keep Hdd for media and older games only
Right now on overclockers UK, both a WD Blue 1TB SATA and 1TB M.2 drives are both £63.95. I recommend M.2 if like me, you have used all your SATA slots. *Edit* I just double checked the specs as they are similar; The M.2 drive of the SA510 and SSD drive SA510 have the same connections and same write speeds. It's always a good idea to double and triple check to make sure you are getting the most performance. Form factor M.2 does *not* equal better performance alone. Be cautious.
a request to the admin of this channel , please start including frame time and frame pacing in the coming benchmarks with the new release of cpu, gpu, ram , storage in the upcoming year because these values are going to become more important as the frame per second will be high in all scenarios given that pc hardware has come a long way , 1 percent , 0.1 percent lows , frame time , frame pacing is what decides the actual user experience in games especially for online games , please highlight them because most people think only fps matters ........ gamers should become more educated .....
I built an i7 6700K and an i7 9700K system that both had M.2 slots but continued to use SATA SSD. Since M.2 drives are dirt cheap these days, my upcoming 9800X3D build will definitely be using M.2 SSD just to save space on cabling.
I have a suggestion for further testing on this topic. Its very interesting, and a real eye opener, but its also a rabbit hole into wonderland.
Use a caching program (PrimoCache), and set an L1 caching task reserving some RAM (the more, the better), and associate it to the HDD.
You can use any drive type (Even flash drives and SD cards.), but the most impressive and relevant results will come from HDDs, and Sata SSDs.
The speeds you will get, even from the HDDs, will rival (or surpass) NVMe drives. At least in file transfers they do, i never tried it with games installed as i only use HDDs for external backup storage these days, but i don't see why it wouldn't greatly benefit game loading as well.
I like it so much, that i bought a Primocache license. I bought 64Gb of RAM, of which i use half as L1 cache. And i even went a little crazy and also bought an Intel Optane M10 64Gb module, that i use as L2 caching. (Its overkill, but i really wanted to test one of these).
I feed this setup into all my drives, permanent, or removable.
For a "small" demonstration, here's a quick test i made, using a single run on CrystalDiskMark, on the Real World Performance profile (NVMe preset), with an almost full, external USB HDD, 5400rpm (Western Digital Elements).
Here's the result:
i.postimg.cc/FzdnnCtn/Crystal-Disk-Mark-20240509200931.png
Compare it with your own drives, using the same settings.
Mighty impressive as you can see.
А что так можно было , всё это время ?
Thanks for making this video!
Well I guess I can take a 5min break wile trying to load Avatar frontier of pandors on my hdd
Probably close your eyes and take little rest till game finally opens up.Or drink a cup of tea in mean time.
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That's a sign from the game to touch some grass.
Running 4TB WD Purple Surveillance HDD (200MB/S) with no stutters and very good loading times on games.
На обычном жестяке после загрузки мира еще текстуры будут грузится какое-то время и на звуках и эффектах, производимых твоими действиям, тоже будет подлагивать, тк не может их синхронно подгрузить. У меня для любимых игр м2, для стареньких - сата. У сата особо нет плюсов сегодня, разве что, можно купить штук 5 бушных за копейки и неплохо расширить хранилище, но по скорости записи недорогой сата проиграет нвми, а дорогой сата брать ой как не хочется.
Sata SSD if you're just playing Games. No need to spend more for M.2
How about instead of just testing the loading you also test in game performance to see if theres any difference. Such as assets not loading in time or stutters.
That’s what I wanna know the difference with stutters
I thought there was something wrong with my pc when I saw forza horizon 5 take that long to load, even on an ssd. thanks for calming my worries lol
I wonder why that game takes so much longer than many other ones. from experience, it streams in many textures even after loading in
I prefer SATA SSD, because I often need to hot-swap drives for the work I do. Also cheaper at high capacity than M.2. For a consumer that didn't need to remove/swap drives much, M.2 should be the way to go. Only my gaming PC at home has an M.2 drive, rest of my builds don't bother.
I'm used HDD for multimedia
The HD WD Blue is bad HD. HD WD Red obtain 180 MB/s in read data. The blue 100 MB/s
@@BrunoCabralPeixoto I have Kingston HDD
5 yr old sata ssd keeping up with nvme. best investment ever.
While two of my crucial sata ssds failed one died after 2 years, got replaced one and next one is failing after 3 years... Crucial never again
It's actually crazy how little there is difference between regular SSD and NVME compared to SSD and HDD 😳
I would still say that use HHD for single players games like GTA 5 (not online) and God of War ,but use an SSD try to get NVMe but if don't have slots get a SATA for multiplayer and online games like Fortnite or Warzone.
OK, but how about comparing x3 M.2: 1) the slowest (the cheepest), 2) medium on price and speed and 3) the fastest one (and the most expensive, like 980 pro by Samsung or something similar)?
You can get a decent 1 TB M2 SSD for around 60€ here in Germany. HDDs for gaming are absolutely obsolete now.
I’d like to see a stability test as well between the them all. Most new games recommend an ssd.
its so sad, they making ssds so fast and it give nothing in games... it should be insta LOAD instaaa 0.1sec
sata ssd 500mb /s
m.2 15000mb/s
Here I use nvme gen4 for AAA games, nvme gen3 light games, indies, heavier emulators... and I still have my hdds where I put media and light emulators
Any chance you could eventually trying with two hdd set up as one with raid 0? I did this on a PC build recently that I'm selling and it felt like fallout 4 loaded a lot quicker than when I used to play on just a single HDD. Curious to see timings of a raid setup vs normal hdd
Sorry friend but HDD cannot run modern games no matter what you do to it. The proper way is to put games on ssd and keep hdd only for storage purposes.
I still use HDDs, but only on a TrueNAS SCALE file server. You still cannot beat the storage value of HDDs especially at the higher capacities.
Yeah even today I am seeing 1tb nvme and SATA SSDs same price as 2tb of HDD and 1 TB extra does make difference if your going to update your games like warzone 100gb every month.Even Apex legends takes up to like 75gb of storage space after every update.
Damn I never thought my drives are the problem, had a game on HDD and thought the problem was my poor gpu.
Sold my pc but it's nice to learn for my next build.
What if 256mb Cache? or SSHD?
The fatest HD still more slow than a cheap SSD in Sata 2 XD
SSHD is more faster than HD but more slow than SSD
Imagine playing multiplayer games on Hard drive 💀
The game will end when we start😅
Lmao fr
advantage of HDD is a massive game library on the cheap and with easy optimization namely primocache and ram, or enabling disk cache with a mod any game can become fast like an ssd. this has been proven over and over even in ssd required games. load times after the first become fast and gameplay smooth. you just need the gpu and ram to do all the heavy lifting, storage is mattering alot less with direct storage and these programs. so long as we have modder and programmer support ill continue to use my 100tb worth of drives for games. if it ever ends ill just enjoy the old ones.
They need to invent a new NVME with more pins and also more cache for faster speeds.
So weird that nvme have no major advantage on alan wake 2 considering it was release only on ps5 and xbox series
Don't forget the convenience of NVMe by not taking up as much space or requiring SATA cables inside the case. Considering it costs almost the same now, no point in SATA.
Mostly true yes. At the same time if you already have a SATA SSD there’s also not a lot of reason to upgrade to NVMe. And since there usually is only one NVMe slot, SATA is still extremely useful if you want more than one drive. The cables are definitely annoying though.
extra storage?.
How about games with Direct Storage?
pretty cool that hdd still works even on ssd required games i still use my fleet of exos drives for all my games.
Games with shader cache there is a bigger difference. My nvme loads cache up about 3 times faster than my sata SSD does. SSD and nvme are close. Just pointing out the actually difference is game dependent most of the time.
its not only importent loading screen, hdd make feel stutter your screen and game its unplayable for me, your pc power on-off time is way too longer if your system has hdd. After sell my 1tb hdd to funny number and just buy ssds after this.
and you already changed title to 2025 lmao xD
Too bad games aren't optimized full for the faster ssds like on PS5
So, what's the point on spending about 100$ (or even more) extra for NVMe when you can have SSD for games?)
Wow. The difference between nvme and SataIII is way less than I thought. I'm still keeping my boot drive as an nvme though.
2 min to load Forza on a HDD, 1 min for Assassin's Creed? Really? :)
I designed a brand new computer last month. All the internal hardware and case is brand new. I have Windows 11 Pro on a Corsair m.2 2TB gen5 (PCI 5.0) nvme. And my games on a different storage drive same exact drive as my OS is on. Those two drives have direct CPU access. Every game I load at max settings. Such as Dead Island 2, Mortal Kombat 1 Reborn, Cyber Punk 2077, Robocop Rouge City, Diablo 4. I kid you not. All it takes for all those games is 3 seconds on the loading screen. And then the game is fully playable. And I tested Diablo 4 last night. It's one of the few games out. That uses Direct Storage where a pci 4 or 5 nmve qualifying drive like I have. Direct X 12 Ultimate with Shaders 6.0 (I have an MSI GeForce 4080 16GB Super video card that features that). It loads from the storage drive to the system RAM directly then to the GPU/Video RAM. It bypasses loading to the CPU. Diablo 4 loaded to play with this technology last night in 3 seconds I just had to wait. Make sure your drives for gaming have direct CPU access on the mainboard. I full disk encrypted my OS for a test. Using AES-NI encryption hardware acceleration built in on my AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU. I encrypted 2TB in 13 minutes. I'm living in my glory with this PC.
На каком диске стояла Windows? Фоновые процессы и файлы подкачки отвлекают ресурсы у рабочего диска. Рабочий диск с играми и программами должен быть без Windows, тогда он будет работать быстрее. Особенно это касается старого HDD, он будет загружать игры в 2 раза быстрее.
So what is the advantage of nvme over SATA SSD again? I'm bout to save me some cash and buy a 2.5inch SSD y'all. Frfr
This year I got a Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB for £235
no Star Citizen? I think running it on my Hard Drive is what is what making it so laggy for be (besides the bugs).
If i save my games in ssd external, its works the same? 😅
I would apreciate to see ratchet and clank in your tests.
HDD are still great for archives, backups, and data files that aren’t part of your OS or Applications.
Forza 5's load times are wild, yeesh!
what about windows load time? and fps comparasion
Does anyone know this song info 😅
in my opinion the difference between a ssd and nvme is not that big and after playing with a almost dead hdd for years i've became a very patient guy
Avatar loading on HDD will allow you to see a UA-cam video
I got a pc and knew nothing about them I had a ssd and a hdd for extra storage but downloaded my games on my hdd let me just say… I had rust downloaded on it and literally had a shower took my time in it and come back did a few clash of clans attacks watched a few videos before finally loading into the game now I know why it took so long
Thank🤗
2 minutes on a loading screen is crazy😮😮😮😮
Why nobody test games for statering and texture loading. Anyone just test load time like it single advantage of faster drive
Klnda regret buying a Samsong 990 pro after seeing the vlose to no difference between a cheaper ssd
Loading time is not everything and not the most important for games.
It would be much more interesting to see the impact on GPU 1% and 0.1% lows. Especially on systems with low VRAM and/or low RAM.
The overall responsivity of a system only depends on its slowest part. 1% lows are most likely due to SSD access to feed the GPU instead of VRAM or DRAM.
Then it would be judicious to also test SSDs with DRAM and DRAM-less SSDs.
HDD был взят самый медленный? Без кеша и с частотой вращения 5200) Was the slowest HDD taken? Without cache and with a rotation speed of 5200)
Missing 1 important game that "punished" storage.. that is Ratchet & Clank : Rift Apart 😁
Imagine playing warzone 3 in HDD so painful
Advantages of HDD: Store NSP and XCI files
It's funny how i don't have any HDD on my pc, All the space is SSD and about 1TB of Nvme mainly for the OS, both very cheap nowadays.
For old games an HDD is okay but for newer games an SSD is an Game changer…
I hate that 4-8 TB are sooooooo expensive
This year I got a Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB for £235
Everyone has sata ports buy 2 or 3 4tb Hdd and use Raid 0
Even softwareraid will be on same speed as sata ssds for low
Ok I thought theres a bigger difference between NVMe and SSD.... wow
Do people still use HDDs?
I used only m2 ssd. My setup m2 990 pro and 980 pro samsung😎 2 tb Storage
So you've saved yourself 1 second a day of load time with SSD that twice the price. Noice 👌😎
BTW I also have m.2 ssds but.. clearly they aren't impressive for gaming. Pcie 3 vs pcie 5 m.2 is probably 1/4 of a second or less on most games lol so long as you aren't on hddd... You good 100%
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U must include Rust In Loading times
first song name?
И дело не только в загрузке . На HDD будут еще и статоры подтормаживание и еще много чего из за медленной скорости .
Не сказал бы, что мои 2 HDD медленные, по 230 - 250 МБ/с. При должном уходе с ними нет проблем.
Запись на дешёвый SSD 256 GB TLC происходит раз в 10 дольше 😆 (10 - 50 МБ/с), а быстрое только чтение (200 - 400 МБ/с).
В основном ПК у меня NVME 970 Pro 1 TB MLC, если что (под систему и требовательные игры).
32 ГБ ОЗУ позволяют и с ЖД играть, без упора в подкачку.
There is no big difference beetween SSD sata and NVME M.2. I expected more considering NVME is 12 times faster than sata SSD.
А как загружается система без быстрой загрузки ? у меня отключена быстрая загрузка потому что установлена амд видеокарта а производители амд и нвидиа рекомендуют отключать быструю загрузку что бы загружались нормально драйвера и не было сбоев следую этим советам и никаких проблем ни разу не было
had 2 sshd they boot and perform like champ, almost like ssd, wd black not too far from sshd, hdd 5400rpm is just bad, raid0 hdd pretty good, raid0 ssd very impressive
what ive never tried is intel optane