Mig19 and mig21 were terrific fighters for that time. Especially mig19 which was produced since early 50s was before its time in performance. Thats why, we in Albania, had around 90 mig19 chinese version F-6 and only around 10 mig21 again chinese version F-7. They were in service for a long time til 2005.
Good fighters but hard to handle since their flight command systems were rough, until the MiG-29 and Su-27 arrival. On the other side the lovely F-4 was known as being tricky especially when driven by former B-52 pilots…Olds and co were truly supermen seeing their accomplishment
Twenty years ago perhaps, I got to meet General Ritchie at the Offutt AFB Open House Airshow. A very personable fellow, not a hint of Top Gun arrogance, but an absolute air of professionalism and dedication. I was honored and delighted to shake the man's hand and later to watch him take up a Phantom for a demonstration.
I enjoy your videos of real life air battles and love the cockpit views! I'm a military aircraft buff and seeing how these air battles actually unfolded is amazing.
Hey Showtime 112, thanks for another excellent video on the air combat over North Vietnam. It’s often assumed most of the MIG kills were made by USAF and USN fighter jets. However, there was a little known fact that a US Marines F-4 Phantom did achieve air to air kill in Vietnam, albeit the only USMC fighter jet to have done so. If you could make this video, that would be awesome to show the skills of the other branch of naval aviation.
Thanks for commenting! Currently, we don't have a flyable Phantom in DCS. There's just an AI model. But, Eagle Dynamics (DCS developer) recently released '2022 And Beyond' video in which they teased us with new elements of the game. There was a brief image of what looks like F-4 Phantom reticle. It will at least a year before we get the Phantom, but when we do, I intend to cover a whole bunch of its history. That might include the Marine kill too.
Thanks for the suggestion. There are a lot of F-4 missions I would love to reenact. But its current status in DCS is not good enough for a leading role. It is essentially an AI only aircraft with an outdated 3D model. It can be flown through a mod but it borrows cockpit from other modules. So, if we ever get a proper Phantom module, this is definitely a good suggestion.
Major Locher's rescue is another story in and of itself, After being shot down, he walked almost 12 miles from his landing site, Eventually he saw a Flight of Phantoms flying overhead and was able to contact them on Guard, and ID himself. The Sandy Skyraiders took heavy Small Arms and SAM fire from villages in the area, and has a Mig-21 blow through their formation. Direction Finding equipment in the Helos was finally able to Pinpoint Major Locher, who was snatched up by the Jollys for a trip to NKP. The Helo crews said at the time, until they had Locher on the hoist coming up, they were pretty sure it was a decoy, and they were all going to die....that says a lot to the Dedication of the Rescue Crews.
Great recounting of this story, your usual excellent work. (One detail note: your cockpit view of the MiG, the artificial horizon, or "gyro", depicts "black over white", meaning "inverted", when the aircraft is upright. Fix that!)
Thanks for the comment! As for the artificial horizon, this seems to be correct. Russians made them like that on some early models (no idea why). But even if it wasn't so, I can't just change details about the modules. They are developed by software companies and they are the way they are.
Hi, as usual, a magnificent video. I particularly like the smoke from the JP79 engines. That is really realistic. The formation lights cannot be removed, I presume. Great work, Showtime.
Ah, the F4, can you imagine the discussion over it's design? "Let's put wings and two horking engines on a brick and see what happens!" "Holy sh^t! It worked!"
This is the first time I have seen the inside of a MiG 19 cockpit. I'm familiar with 15/17 and 21 cockpits (the latter I saw myself in real life) but not the 19. Thanks.
Yeah, that's what it's like. I expected it to be more similar to MiG-21's. I mean, instruments are similar but placement is very much different. Thanks for the comment!
Very Good video and your approach to the game is excellent. The Korean and Vietnam era conflicts are great. It would be nice if DCS creates a F4 model and possibly F100 sabers also. Outstanding video
Thank you very much! I sure agree with your wishes for future modules. As for Vietnam and Korea, so much was happening and both wars are well covered. I will definitely do some Korea videos. And I'm almost certainly getting the MiG-15 module.
Videi postaju sve bolji i bolji, čestitam. Ova era mi je također i naj zanimljivija, stalno čekam tvoje videe iz Vietnama i Koreje. Poslao sam ti poruku na instagramu, par pitanja, nisi je još vidio pa baci oko kad imaš vremena. Samo jako dalje, ti si mi trenutno jedan od najdražih youtubera, navijam da se probiješ :D
Hvala na komentaru! Vijetnam je i meni jedan od najzanimljivijih perioda i bio bi mi prvi izbor za novu mapu u DCS-u. Bit će nešto i o Koreji, baš ovih dana proučavam literaturu. Sabre je spreman, možda ubodem i petnaesticu. S Instagramom još nisam u jako prisnim odnosima :) Sad sam skužio da u porukama stoji zahtjev koji moram odobriti ali nigdje mi nije bilo obavijesti da imam zahtjev. Napisat ću ti odgvore tamo.
Excellent video! Great history on Vietnam air war. Can you do one on the missions of Robin Olds combat flights above Vietnam? The old History Channel tv show Dogfights showcased an entire episode on his exploits.
Thanks! I actually own the DVD set of Dogfights so I'm familiar with that. That is certainly a historic event that would be interesting to recreate and probably very popular. However, Phantoms are not yet flyable, they only exist as AI modules. Eagle Dynamics mention it might come in a couple of years. But, some guys are working on a flyable Phantom mod so maybe when that is completed I'll try that one.
@@showtime112 Too bad. When that playable model comes out and if you plan to do it let your viewers know ASAP! Also, if I may suggest another episode both based on actual pilots? Colonel Yevgeny Pepelyaev of the 196th FAR USSR (in a MiG 15) over N. Korea. Russian sources say he was responsible for 19 shoot downs, he said less while America sources say even more! Or Captain Joe C. McConnell of the 39th FIS, he shot down 16 enemy over North Korea (in an F 86), the highest number I think. Just two suggestions for maybe a future project. Peace.
@@RX552VBK Thanks for the suggestion! Actually, my next video is going to be a Korean War episode. I have some good sources with detailed descriptions of events from that conflict. There are F-86 and MiG-15 as flyable modules, plus F-80, B-29 and Mustang for support roles. So far, I found material for at least ten videos :)
A lot of people don't know this but the Mig 19 and 17 were primarily responsible for most of the Vietnamese air kills. The Mig 21 was few in number The Mig 19 and seventeen were very maneuverable fast and the Vietnamese had many of them.
Thanks a lot for a other NAM piece of history as always. What i don't really understand is the fact! Why the Pilots of the F-4's keep flying just straight without making any attempt of trying escaping the cannon fire of the MIG-19 for the Pilot of the MIG-19 it does look like easy kills or i am missing out something ? BTW: If my memorie serves my right. The F-4 where not the only fighters reaming there were still the B-52, A-4 Skyhawk, F-105 Thunderchief, A-7 Corsair II, F-111 Aardvark, A-1 Skyraider, and A-37 Dragonfly in Service please correct me if i am wrong.
Thank you for your comment, again. I knew someone would ask about why Lodge kept following the MiG-21 instead of evading the MiG-19. It's a clear case of target fixation. Lodge had shot down a MiG-21 moments ago and this would have been his fourth (the highest score of the war then). When his airplane was hit, it was probably already too late. Those big cannon rounds make a lot of damage once they hit. As for his wingman, he probably didn't notice the MiG-19s until they came very close to Lodge's plane. F-4D had no guns and a Sidewinder might have hit his leader just as easily as the enemy. This story is described in a book that I've owned since I was about 14 and I've read it so many times. To sum up, in real combat, pilots rarely have perfect situational awareness. As for Phantom being almost the only type, I meant in the USAF, not Navy. F-105 was no longer used except for SAM suppression. F-100s, F-104s and others have been pulled out year ago. F-111 use was more of a prototype testing in real combat conditions and A-1 was used for CSAR. B-52 was a strategic bomber. So, when the USAF sent tactical fighters-bombers to the North in 1972, it was almost exclusively Phantoms.
@@LockOnNow Oh yes! In the book I used as my source, the three Cunningham's dogfights are described in details right after the story in my video! If I had any of the two types that participated in this combat, I'd do a video about it!
@@RYDER8140 As far as I can tell, the wingman warned Lodge but he couldn't achieve a missile lock on the MiG. Lodge probably thought that he only needed a few more seconds in which he could kill the MiG in front of him and evade the one behind. We will never know for sure but that seems the only logical explanation to me.
I was stationed aboard the Kitty Hawk from 71 to 73 and was part of the linebacker campaign in 72 During this time the Kitty Hawk was attacked by 4 migs, not sure if they were 19's or 21's just know that we launched 2 F-4's that were always at the ready during flight ops. One mig was shot down and the other three turned and ran,one of which I believe was hit also. At that time it was thought by many that Vietnamese pilots in Russian migs were no match for our squadrons whether AF, Marine, or Navy, although there were a number of pilots that were shot down during that period.
I believe those were MiG-21s you are talking about. Navy pilot's very significantly improved their skills in the second part of the war. As for Vietnamese pilots, I think some of them were quite good and considering the circumstances, they managed to be a very serious factor through the whole period. Thanks for the comment!
@@torstenpflug5084 Who was the fucking aggressor in this war? It was the North Vietnam attacking South Vietnam through the territory of (supposedly) neutral Laos and Cambodia. North Vietnam's aggression eventually confirmed to the whole world by North Vietnamese occupation of South Vietnam in 1975.
@@pmpcpmpc4737 - ja ne, is klar! Ich hab weder die Zeit, noch die Buntstifte, einem Typen wie Dir den Vietnam-Krieg zu erklären! So tief kann ich meinen Intellekt beim besten Willen nicht drücken, damit ich mit Dir auf einer Stufe stehe! Ich könnte Dir natürlich entsprechende Quellen liefern, aber dann würde dein bißchen Geist ziemlich schnell an seine Kapazitätsgrenzen stoßen!
I read memoirs of Soviet instructors in Vietnam - they wrote that Vietnamese were stubborn in learning but still had very bad pilot skills. Also, they could get blackout in the middle of a maneuver with few G because they often were half-starved, and they forced the pilots to eat more meat because their traditional food was too non-nutritive. They tried to teach them to shoot rockets from a long distance and operate with the rocket using radar but it was too hard for the Vietnamese pilots to control their single-seat aircraft and operate with the rocket at the same time. That's why they usually launched their rockets from short distances of 1.5-2 km and didn't control it at all. F4 had WSO for this purpose.
@@showtime112 If it weren't for the copyrights you might've used Black Sabbath's "War Pigs" which came out around that time. It's also fitting because when I was in the USAF we did call F-4s "pigs" because of how difficult they are to work on.
@@HiroNguy Maybe one day I'll have a huge budget and will be able to afford original songs such as War Pigs, Run Through the Jungle.... 😁 Another option is a cover by an unknown band. I used Hey Joe in my last video like that.
I can think of several reasons and it's probably a combination of them. - That pilot had just witnessed two of his comrades getting shot down. That must have been a confidence killer. - Soviet and Chinese trained pilots were not trained to dogfight. Only intercept under strict ground control. In fact, Vietnamese tactics were to hit and run, not stay and turn. - It is also very likely that he received orders from the ground to run away relying on speed. But, Phantom was fast too and missiles were even faster.
Thanks for the time and effort that went into this. Perhaps I missed it, but it's not clear what happened to the 2nd f4 in the first shoot down and the wingman in the 2nd, did they attack the mig 19?
Thanks for the comment. Let me try to answer your questions. In the first shootdown, there was just a single Phantom. I couldn't find an explanation why it was alone. Or maybe you mean when the Phantoms attacked the MiG-21s? No 2 Phantom (Lt Markle) fired two Sparrows and shot down one of the MiGs. After his leader (Maj Lodge) was shot down by the MiG-19s, the Oyster flight chose to disengage instead of fighting them. They were getting low on fuel and missiles and entering a maneuvering dogfight with the agile MiGs might have ended badly.
As I enjoy your videos more and more I decided to subscribe your channel. Good work. BTW, where is the area of the flight? Looks like a area with not too much cities, and that can be useful for certain missions.
Thank you for your subscription and comments! As for the area, this video was shot around Beslan. Mostly to the west and also some scenes to the north of it.
Thank you for that! I also believe this music is just right for the video. It sounds like the early '70s music and it's just as loud and aggressive as fighter jets!
Smart / guided bombs have been used well before the Vietnam war, e.g. by the Luftwaffe in WW2 - see Fritz-X and Hs 293. Maybe you could make a video of the sinking of Battleship Roma by KG 100.
I would call those guided, perhaps not smart. That would be an interesting topic but so far, there don't seem to be available assets in any of flight simulations. Maybe IL-2 Great Battles will introduce those weapons someday. Thanks for your suggestion.
Thats some serious intro/take off/ingress music. I had a friend who flew the F4"up north" and from what he told me, as a 25yo testosterone jacked stud, thats prolly what the background sound track sounded like.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm so glad that there are people who understand why this music was placed here. It sounds a lot like early 70s hard rock, it is intense and powerful because it is about fighter jets and air combat. It caused many 'oh, this music is terrible' comments. And I'm like, can you possibly be that thick?!? I guess they can😁
@@showtime112 My fren flew the F4 out of Udorn in Northern Thailand and they were going"north" into a very dangerous area almost always. He told me they were happy to be going,...they WANTED to go up there and kick ass. Warriors.
Oyster 1 flew OY463 on 10MAY72 but it was a D model-your video shows an F-4E. After they were shot, Oyster 1 went into a flat spin, not just dove into the ground. Capt Roger Locher ejected and spent 23 days evading capture in the jungle. May Bob Lodge rode the aircraft in.
Apparently, the pilot ran out of fuel just before the landing. I simulated it by shutting the engines off in the final phase of landing. After a few seconds, I lost any ability to move the control surfaces and this is what happened. I'm not sure if this is realistically modeled.
@@showtime112 your welcome. Quality work takes time, often research and probably a passion for what your doing. *I'll keep watching. i hope you succeed in your endeavors in life. You're doing great at this.* Are there other warfare topics and theaters that you could do? Maybe the Yamato, mighty Musashi...Turpitz...the mighty 8th Air force. The submariners. The Australians and American special forces operatives in Vietnam, SOG, LRRP, SeAL, marine raiders, marine force reconnaissance, I could go on n on... no need. As long as you make more, I'll watch them. 😉 Take care... 'De Oppresso Liber' -😎 Be well. 😎🇺🇸
@@d.cypher2920 I eventually plan to expand to area such as WWII. But generally, I will probably stay in aviation field. DCS is not a dedicated tool for making these videos but it serves a purpose well. There are other games but I don't have much time to learn them enough. DCS is taking pretty much all my time. There are more airplanes to learn (F-16, Harrier, F-14, A-10, all the Warbirds). And many more coming. I believe I won't run out of topics anytime soon :)
@@showtime112 nice. Indeed DCS serves as a good purposeful tool. Sometimes the tasks seem like a mountain, but with each step that is taken the task is a bit more close to an accomplishment. Simply never give up, you'll find it possible to do anything. ☀️😎☀️
Thank you very much for commenting and appreciating the videos. There are several videos with F/A-18s in combat on the channel, don't know if you saw them. Perhaps you can give them an professional overview.
Oh, thank you a million times for this! I got several extremely negative comments about the music and was getting a bit annoyed by them. The music sounds like the one from this period, it is loud and aggressive but so are jet fighters, for Pete's sake!!!! While it wouldn't work well for a video about puppies doing cute things, I think it's just right for this!
According to some sources, he chose not to eject, fearing the enemy might gain valuable intelligence if they captured him. I only recently found out he also flew the Thud in Vietnam during the Rolling Thunder.
The video doesn't say that MiGCAP took off from Ubon. It simply starts with them already in flight without specifying their home base. I didn't want to make a separate takeoff scene and it didn't seem decisively important. As for the F-4 variant, it's not a factual error. It was simply the only choice. F-4D is not available in DCS World.
Ok! My name is Sgt. Joey Hill. I was the Crew Chief of F4D 650784 from 1971 and 1972 at Udorn. Before Major Lodge, I was lieutenant Markle's Crew Chief in the 555TFS at Udorn. F4D 65-0784 was the aircraft that Major Lodge and once lieutenant Locher and then Captain Locher got all 3 of their M.I.G. 21 KILLS while flying. THEY WERE NOT IN 463 TAIL NUMBER. Capt. Richie before that day on May 10th 1972 had no MIG kills in 463 so why are you depicting 463 as the lead and only aircraft when 784 was the lead of Oyster flight and had the most MIG kills on it?? You would do justice to the memory of Major Lodge to correct your video of Oyster One's tail number and the correct takeoff point of Udorn RTAFB and the Triple Nickel. Facts are Facts!
Because creating proper skins for aircraft is really not easy. It takes skills and time. And most people wouldn't even know it. Assets are limited, I can make videos as they are, or not make them at all. Even if certain things can be done, it would take way too long to do them.
11 Migs were shot down vs 2 F-4's 8 USN and 3 AF. Yes Lodge and Markle got the 21's but the next plane to be shot down was Lodges F-4 by Mig 19's at 9:44 AM. The last thing Locher heard before ejecting was Steve Ritchie's Oyster 3 There's a Splash! Next F-4 shot down was at 10:14 that Mig-19 was almost shot down by a Maneuver kill but recovered just above the ground.
@@showtime112 amazing was Roger Locher being rescued at 23 days on the day he was rescued a F-4 shot down a MIG-19 with 20MM but he did flying at Mach 1 the only kill ever.
Paul Doumer and Dragons Jaw both had thousands of pounds of bombs dropped near them, it was very hard to hit due to heavy defences, even with guided bombs. I once read a book about the bombing attempts, it was insane. Iirc the vietnamese knew the corridors the bombers used and when so they had a gauntlet of AA waiting and MiGs were never far.
Thanks for the interesting post. I'm pretty surprised word didn't get through to the Narrator that the MIG-19 was a total flop. Endlessly plagued by defects, caught fire again and again. Not a single Warsaw Pact pilot volunteered to take the control of this flying catastrophe. The MIG 21 was deployed not a day too early and, unlike the MiG 19, was a complete success.
@@ArqHPA You open UA-cam on a computer (not a phone or tablet). In the top right corner, there's your account logo (in your case, the letter G in a circle). When you click on it, a drop down menu opens. You select 'UA-cam Studio' Then on the left side, you have a bunch of options , the top one is Dashboard. You scroll down to the last one called Audio Library and select it. Then just search for the title in the search field.
Thank you! The Jolly Green is CH-53, an AI model available in DCS. I also used additional skins you can find here: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3311677/?sphrase_id=1170199
Good video. But I make a couple of corrections: indeed the USN and USAF F-4 Phantoms claimed 11 MiG kills that day, but VPAF loss records confirms only 8 of them. Furthermore, besides the MiG-19 victories against F-4D/E you describe here, a pair of VPAF MiG-21 pilots of the 921 FR did shot down two F-4J of the USS Constellation: the wingman Vu Duc Hop shot down the VF-92 Phantom of Harry Blackburn and Stephen Rudloff, and the leader Le Thanh Dao shot down the VF-96 Phantom of the brand new crowned aces Randall Cunningham and William Driscoll. Yes, I'm aware that in US sources these losses are credited to AAA and SA-2 respectively. But as a matter of fact, were downed by these MiG-21s.
Hey, thank you very much for your comment. As for the claims, there are a lot of discrepancies between US and Vietnamese sources. In fact, they disagree more than they agree 😁 This could be true. Especially since Cunningham and Driscoll were super hyped up after three kills so they forgot about situational awareness. I can't remember what Toperczer says about it, I will check it out.
@@showtime112 You're wellcome. BTW, in your tutorial in Hrvatski (Croatian) sometimes I understand a lot because of their similarities with Russian. Yes, I know that Croatian and Russian are in different branches of the Slavic languages family tree (Croatian in the Southern Slavic branch, Russian in the Eastern Slavic one), but still sounds very intelligbly to me. Russian is not my mother tongue (Spanish is), not the second language (English is), but the third one. I learnt to love it, in spite of its hard complexities.
@@showtime112 Regarding Cunnigham-Driscoll being shot down by Le Thanh Dao's MiG-21: 1. They were in the area where Blackburn-Rudloff were downed, Driscoll even screamed to Cunningham: "Duke, look! A Phantom is flaming like a torch!", evidently seeing the moment the VF-92 F-4J was bagged. 2. Both Vu Duc Hop and Le Thanh Dao were flying MiG-21PFMs totally painted in green. You can see the ilustration of Dao's "Red 5040" fully in green on Osprey's book about MiG-21s by Toperczer. So, no surprise that Cunnigham-Driscoll did not see Dao's MiG-21 flying bellow and behind its Phantom. 3. The same Cunningham and Driscoll always said that they had no warning from its RWR, so they assumed that the Vietnamese used a IR version of the SA-2 (S-75 Dvina, I prefer the Russian name). Now knowing that Dao claims this F-4 kill, it makes more sense to plainly admitt that it wasn't an IR S-75, but an IR R-3S.
I checked Toperczer's book on MiG-21 units of the Vietnam War. In fact, there are four F-4s claimed by 21s on 10 May. The other two having very few details, however. And the two you mention are USN so not a focus of this video anyway 😁
@@Elrusoargentino Well, those two languages are like distant cousins. You can recognize a few words but generally, they are not mutually intelligible. I speak a couple of romance languages (Italian, Brazilian Portuguese). It seems to me that they are even closer together than Slavic languages. I came across a book in Spanish (which I've never learned) called 'Malvinas La Guerra Aerea - Skyhawk A-4Q'. If I read it slowly and with full concentration, I can understand almost everything (although, the subject is quite familiar to me which makes it easier).
Actually, that was made this way on purpose. The Vietnamese pilot who shot down Major Lodge ran out of fuel and was killed while attempting to perform a dead stick landing.
@@showtime112 I'm guessing the MiG-19's ejection seat was not safe to use when it became clear he wasn't going to make it. There is no way it was a 0/0 ejection seat, it must have had airspeed and altitude minimums.
@@burnttoast111 Yeah, it wasn't a zero/zero seat. I replicated the situation by shutting down the engines just before the touchdown. Basically, you lose ability to move control surfaces and the airplane first climbs a bit and then smashes into the runway. At least that's how it's modeled in DCS.
@@showtime112 I suspect that a hydraulic failure on engine shutdown is inaccurate, as brakes and ground steering would likely be affected, but I really don't know. Just seems very unsafe. RAZBAM doesn't seem to have the best modeling of aircraft, so I would take it with a grain of salt.
Us guys? 😁 Well, if you only bothered to check the channel, you would find out that it covers historic events from many conflicts such as Korea, Arab-Israeli wars, Indo-Pakistani wars, Desert Storm, Allied Force... With plans to expand to WWII. I wouldn't call that an obsession.
@@anlq1240 Well, this was the last war in which American pilots were facing, let's call them 'worthy' opponents. Ones that managed to shoot down a good number of American aircraft. Anything after that was a single sided affair. So, the Vietnam War is basically very interesting to anyone who likes military aviation history. Makes perfect sense to me.
I never understood why so many Combat flight sim do not including the F-8 crusaders? It had more kills than the F-4 and was a single seated aircraft with guns. That plane and those pilots kicked ass. How hard can it be to include the plane? Does anyone know a flight sim that includes the F-8?😳😳
Actually, it's quite hard 😁 Eagle Dynamics executives mention that they need 10-12 thousand man hours to develop a module. In money, its about 1,5 - 2 million USD. But good news is that someone is working on it. Leatherneck Simulations are developing F-8 Crusader for DCS World. Exact date of release hasn't been announced but it is definitely coming!
@@showtime112 A few years ago I had the honor to meet a F-8 pilot who flew during the Nam war. I told him I would buy him a drink if he told me what it was like to fly the Crusader. He got glassy eyed when he talked about what a joy it was to fly that plane. He said he never merged with the F-4 in the same way he did with the F-8. He said the only drawback was landing.
That is absolutely true. However, no other model than the E is available in DCS World. I always need to make such compromises or almost no video would be possible. Thank you for commenting!
OK, great video, but you should've included the part with bombing of the bridge as a final touch, IMHO. I was really surprised to see those LGBs on Phantoms this early - guess you live and learn. ;-)
Thanks! I thought about showing the bridge destruction but I couldn't find a suitable bridge on the map. That was a large railway bridge near a city, none on the DCS map fit the description.
@@CH-pv2rz They definitely should make a Vietnam map plus assets, I'm sure they would make money on it. Not so sure about how easy it would be. Some Eagle Dynamics managers mentioned numbers such as 10-12.000 man hours for a high-fidelity module. In money terms, that's more than 1,5 million dollars. AI assets are easier, of course but still.
Hi Sowtime! Super Mega Thanks for your videos. Love it all. A Question, please. How did you setting your AA Guns in range and Wingspan in order to engage the F-4? I am a slow lerner, sorry Thanks again
Thanks for the comment. In this case, radar auto-acquisition mode was used. There's a switch on the left side panel (next to the radar on/off switch). It's called target lock switch I think. It will automatically acquire a target and you don't need to set wingspan. When you see that reticle with 'wings' following the target, that's it. If you don't have radar lock, then you set the wingspan with that big black wheel (under the green button just under the gunsight screen. You need to know the wingspan of a particular airplane (you can google it).
ну ландшафт не очень-то похож на джунгли Вьетнама...да и тактика у вьетконга была не тупо в лоб а на бреющем внезапно и с ближней дистанции..а тут как в Топ Гане..
I'm not sure if I understood everything because I needed to use Google Translate which is never completely accurate. Of course it doesn't look like Vietnam jungle. Because it's not Vietnam. We don't have Vietnam in DCS World, it's not announced so I use Caucasus, the only map which is not completely different. Second thing, Viet Cong? Viet Cong was guerilla units in South Vietnam. There's no mention of Viet Cong here. Finally, it is usually very funny when people use some general idea they have and try to say my videos are not realistic. Because I use historic books to reenact them. With rather precise description of events. Not just some general idea on what a certain conflict might have looked like. This is what really happened. And tactics used by North Vietnam was not always working. In this case, their planes were detected and Phantoms had a unique opportunity to intercept them under most favorable conditions.
During NAM F4 Phantoms had their Mig kills but Mig 21 n Mig 19 pilots had their F4 kills too. Some ET UFOs also shot down 1 B52 bomber but that's a classified info.
You could say that Vietnamese pilots were the last 'worthy' opponents for Americans. Everybody who tried to confront them after that was simply wiped away.
Rock music doesn't fit with the Phantoms?!?! Seriously?!? I can't imagine any music which could possibly fit better. Rock dominated the charts at exactly the same time when Phantom dominated the skies. It is loud and powerful, just like the Phantom! But maybe you think something like Taylor Swift would be better? 🤣
Warning him about the MiG on his six fir one thing (which Lodge ignored) . Those were D Phantoms with no guns, the MiG was so close that a missile could have easily hit either of them.
@@Varethikatisbaroufes We can only speculate but probably, he was too focused on shooting down the MiG in front of him. I think that would have been his fourth kill, the highest score in the war at the time.
Another great video! Also Navy F-4 pilot, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, also became an ace on that day when he shot down the legendary North Vietnamese Ace Col Toon. Ironically, Lt. Cunningham was shot down by an SA-2 after his engagement with Col. Toon, but he and his RIO were rescued in the Gulf of Tonkin!
Actually, Col Toon (or Tomb) never existed. This story came as a result of a photo of a Vietnamese MiG-17 with many kill markings. But this was a combined score, not individual. Istvan Toperczer explored the story and concluded it was a myth. But that last guy Cunningham fought was certainly a very capable pilot. Thank you for your comment!
@@showtime112 - Yes, I did in fact here about this, that Col. Toon was really a fictitious character created for propaganda purposes, but also heard he was a real pilot. I wasn't quite sure if the story was truthful or not. Unfortunately, Duke Cunningham got into a corruption scandal while serving as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives and was sentenced to 8 years in U.S. Federal prison. He's out now and living a quiet life in Arkansas.
why the hell didnt the mig 21 pilots pull more aggressive evasive maneuvers with a phantom on there rear, a mig 21 can turn tighter in a horizontal turn than a F4 can , i read that F4 pilots were told to avoid horizontal turning fights with mig 21s .
Because real combat is so much more than just comparing aircraft performance. Here are some factors: 1) Psychology - That MiG-21 pilot had just witnessed two of his comrades getting shot down. It is not entirely unlikely that he was panicking a bit. 2) Soviet doctrine never taught the pilots to dogfight but instead to intercept under strict ground control. Vietnamese tactics with MiG-21 was hit and run. Launch missiles and get out. It is also likely that ground control ordered him to flee after the first two planes were downed. 3) He might have also thought he was already safe and outside of missile range. I'm not even sure if that variant had any RWR and rearward visibility is awful in a MiG-21
Mig19 and mig21 were terrific fighters for that time. Especially mig19 which was produced since early 50s was before its time in performance. Thats why, we in Albania, had around 90 mig19 chinese version F-6 and only around 10 mig21 again chinese version F-7. They were in service for a long time til 2005.
I was just wondering recently how come that China didn't just quickly replace their MiG-19s with 21s like Soviets. They had access to both.
Good fighters but hard to handle since their flight command systems were rough, until the MiG-29 and Su-27 arrival. On the other side the lovely F-4 was known as being tricky especially when driven by former B-52 pilots…Olds and co were truly supermen seeing their accomplishment
Twenty years ago perhaps, I got to meet General Ritchie at the Offutt AFB Open House Airshow. A very personable fellow, not a hint of Top Gun arrogance, but an absolute air of professionalism and dedication. I was honored and delighted to shake the man's hand and later to watch him take up a Phantom for a demonstration.
I only saw him on TV but he did leave a good impression. Professionalism seems to be the first word which comes to mind.
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I believe it's him, right?!
I played USAF game a long time ago, and this Mission was in it. They called the bridge then "The Dragon's Jaw" Nice video, thanks. :)
Thank you for commenting!
I enjoy your videos of real life air battles and love the cockpit views! I'm a military aircraft buff and seeing how these air battles actually unfolded is amazing.
Thank you very much for your comment! I hope you like future videos too!
Love these historical videos. Very well put together. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Thank you for watching and commenting! I hope you like others too.
Hey Showtime 112, thanks for another excellent video on the air combat over North Vietnam.
It’s often assumed most of the MIG kills were made by USAF and USN fighter jets. However, there was a little known fact that a US Marines F-4 Phantom did achieve air to air kill in Vietnam, albeit the only USMC fighter jet to have done so.
If you could make this video, that would be awesome to show the skills of the other branch of naval aviation.
Thanks for commenting! Currently, we don't have a flyable Phantom in DCS. There's just an AI model. But, Eagle Dynamics (DCS developer) recently released '2022 And Beyond' video in which they teased us with new elements of the game. There was a brief image of what looks like F-4 Phantom reticle. It will at least a year before we get the Phantom, but when we do, I intend to cover a whole bunch of its history. That might include the Marine kill too.
@@showtime112 Thanks for the heads up and keep up the excellent work work man. I really enjoy watching your programs.
You ought to do one on the F4 that shot down a MiG19 with his cannon while both were supersonic (Mach 1)
Thanks for the suggestion. There are a lot of F-4 missions I would love to reenact. But its current status in DCS is not good enough for a leading role. It is essentially an AI only aircraft with an outdated 3D model. It can be flown through a mod but it borrows cockpit from other modules. So, if we ever get a proper Phantom module, this is definitely a good suggestion.
One day in a long war, great book.
Haven't read it but I believe it 😊
Janko Albert - You're the only other human I've heard mention this book. Well done amigo.
A lot of action in this one!
It was such a day 😊
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I remember seeing one MIG at Hanoi war museum; it had 15 stars painted on its body,denoting 15 kills of American planes
23 days behind enemy lines! Is there a film about that? There should be.
I'd watch it!
@@sid2112 That's right. But It wouldn't be too much if they made this story into a film as well.
Major Locher's rescue is another story in and of itself, After being shot down, he walked almost 12 miles from his landing site, Eventually he saw a Flight of Phantoms flying overhead and was able to contact them on Guard, and ID himself. The Sandy Skyraiders took heavy Small Arms and SAM fire from villages in the area, and has a Mig-21 blow through their formation. Direction Finding equipment in the Helos was finally able to Pinpoint Major Locher, who was snatched up by the Jollys for a trip to NKP. The Helo crews said at the time, until they had Locher on the hoist coming up, they were pretty sure it was a decoy, and they were all going to die....that says a lot to the Dedication of the Rescue Crews.
@@toadman506 Quite amazing. I never actually ran across any details of his rescue.
This was fun to watch and enjoy the drama as it unfolded. Thank you and sign me up for some more.
Thank you very much for the comment. Keep watching!
Great recounting of this story, your usual excellent work. (One detail note: your cockpit view of the MiG, the artificial horizon, or "gyro", depicts "black over white", meaning "inverted", when the aircraft is upright. Fix that!)
Thanks for the comment! As for the artificial horizon, this seems to be correct. Russians made them like that on some early models (no idea why). But even if it wasn't so, I can't just change details about the modules. They are developed by software companies and they are the way they are.
Hi, as usual, a magnificent video. I particularly like the smoke from the JP79 engines. That is really realistic. The formation lights cannot be removed, I presume. Great work, Showtime.
Thanks for another positive feedback! Those Phantoms were AI controlled and lights were out of reach. I think this video deserves a remake someday.
Ah, the F4, can you imagine the discussion over it's design?
"Let's put wings and two horking engines on a brick and see what happens!"
"Holy sh^t! It worked!"
This was pretty cool. I love aviation and this was a really nice display
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Subbed at long last. Lots of catching up to do...
Thank you very much for that! No need to rush, you'll catch up eventually :)
Really Well Done, Bravo Showtime!
Thank you very much, glad you liked it!
This is the first time I have seen the inside of a MiG 19 cockpit. I'm familiar with 15/17 and 21 cockpits (the latter I saw myself in real life) but not the 19. Thanks.
Yeah, that's what it's like. I expected it to be more similar to MiG-21's. I mean, instruments are similar but placement is very much different.
Thanks for the comment!
Very Good video and your approach to the game is excellent. The Korean and Vietnam era conflicts are great. It would be nice if DCS creates a F4 model and possibly F100 sabers also. Outstanding video
Thank you very much! I sure agree with your wishes for future modules. As for Vietnam and Korea, so much was happening and both wars are well covered. I will definitely do some Korea videos. And I'm almost certainly getting the MiG-15 module.
Videi postaju sve bolji i bolji, čestitam. Ova era mi je također i naj zanimljivija, stalno čekam tvoje videe iz Vietnama i Koreje. Poslao sam ti poruku na instagramu, par pitanja, nisi je još vidio pa baci oko kad imaš vremena. Samo jako dalje, ti si mi trenutno jedan od najdražih youtubera, navijam da se probiješ :D
Hvala na komentaru! Vijetnam je i meni jedan od najzanimljivijih perioda i bio bi mi prvi izbor za novu mapu u DCS-u. Bit će nešto i o Koreji, baš ovih dana proučavam literaturu. Sabre je spreman, možda ubodem i petnaesticu.
S Instagramom još nisam u jako prisnim odnosima :) Sad sam skužio da u porukama stoji zahtjev koji moram odobriti ali nigdje mi nije bilo obavijesti da imam zahtjev. Napisat ću ti odgvore tamo.
Nice historical reconstruction!
Thank you very much. Keep watching!
Great Music!!!!
Thanks! Many viewers didn't like it but what do they know? 😁😁😁
Excellent video! Great history on Vietnam air war. Can you do one on the missions of Robin Olds combat flights above Vietnam? The old History Channel tv show Dogfights showcased an entire episode on his exploits.
Thanks! I actually own the DVD set of Dogfights so I'm familiar with that. That is certainly a historic event that would be interesting to recreate and probably very popular. However, Phantoms are not yet flyable, they only exist as AI modules. Eagle Dynamics mention it might come in a couple of years. But, some guys are working on a flyable Phantom mod so maybe when that is completed I'll try that one.
@@showtime112 Too bad. When that playable model comes out and if you plan to do it let your viewers know ASAP! Also, if I may suggest another episode both based on actual pilots? Colonel Yevgeny Pepelyaev of the 196th FAR USSR (in a MiG 15) over N. Korea. Russian sources say he was responsible for 19 shoot downs, he said less while America sources say even more! Or Captain Joe C. McConnell of the 39th FIS, he shot down 16 enemy over North Korea (in an F 86), the highest number I think. Just two suggestions for maybe a future project. Peace.
@@RX552VBK Thanks for the suggestion! Actually, my next video is going to be a Korean War episode. I have some good sources with detailed descriptions of events from that conflict. There are F-86 and MiG-15 as flyable modules, plus F-80, B-29 and Mustang for support roles.
So far, I found material for at least ten videos :)
Great video, and that song in the intro was killer!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked the song. It attracted quite a lot of hateful comments but some people just have bad taste 😁
@@showtime112 agreed!
Extremely well made video as usual
Thank you very much. Stay tuned for more!
Your music selections add a lot to these videos.
Thanks! Some disagree but screw them 😁
Outstanding Presentation Well Done Sir.
Great video. I had the pleasure to meet Brigadier General Steve Ritchie (Ret) at an airshow. Very down to Earth individual and very nice person.
Thank you! Yes, Ritchie sure seems like that. Cunningham on the other hand is a lot more 'colorful' 😁
@@CH-pv2rz Yeah, he messed things up in a big way.
A lot of people don't know this but the Mig 19 and 17 were primarily responsible for most of the Vietnamese air kills. The Mig 21 was few in number The Mig 19 and seventeen were very maneuverable fast and the Vietnamese had many of them.
Yeah. It came as a huge surprise to the Americans that some subsonic, obsolete fighter could shoot down their latest Mach 2 marvels.
Especially the Mig 17 ! 😍
Great simulation.
Thanks a lot for a other NAM piece of history as always. What i don't really understand is the fact! Why the Pilots of the F-4's keep flying just straight without making any attempt of trying escaping the cannon fire of the MIG-19 for the Pilot of the MIG-19 it does look like easy kills or i am missing out something ? BTW: If my memorie serves my right. The F-4 where not the only fighters reaming there were still the B-52, A-4 Skyhawk, F-105 Thunderchief, A-7 Corsair II, F-111 Aardvark, A-1 Skyraider, and A-37 Dragonfly in Service please correct me if i am wrong.
Thank you for your comment, again. I knew someone would ask about why Lodge kept following the MiG-21 instead of evading the MiG-19. It's a clear case of target fixation. Lodge had shot down a MiG-21 moments ago and this would have been his fourth (the highest score of the war then). When his airplane was hit, it was probably already too late. Those big cannon rounds make a lot of damage once they hit.
As for his wingman, he probably didn't notice the MiG-19s until they came very close to Lodge's plane. F-4D had no guns and a Sidewinder might have hit his leader just as easily as the enemy. This story is described in a book that I've owned since I was about 14 and I've read it so many times. To sum up, in real combat, pilots rarely have perfect situational awareness.
As for Phantom being almost the only type, I meant in the USAF, not Navy. F-105 was no longer used except for SAM suppression. F-100s, F-104s and others have been pulled out year ago. F-111 use was more of a prototype testing in real combat conditions and A-1 was used for CSAR. B-52 was a strategic bomber. So, when the USAF sent tactical fighters-bombers to the North in 1972, it was almost exclusively Phantoms.
@@showtime112 Interesting Story from the Guys doing a dogfight. ua-cam.com/video/Lgpju-PsGGQ/v-deo.html
@@LockOnNow Oh yes! In the book I used as my source, the three Cunningham's dogfights are described in details right after the story in my video! If I had any of the two types that participated in this combat, I'd do a video about it!
@@showtime112 The wingman knew about MIGS he was warning Oyster1 that a MiG-19 is firing at him.
@@RYDER8140 As far as I can tell, the wingman warned Lodge but he couldn't achieve a missile lock on the MiG. Lodge probably thought that he only needed a few more seconds in which he could kill the MiG in front of him and evade the one behind. We will never know for sure but that seems the only logical explanation to me.
I was stationed aboard the Kitty Hawk from 71 to 73 and was part of the linebacker campaign in 72 During this time the Kitty Hawk was attacked by 4 migs, not sure if they were 19's or 21's just know that we launched 2 F-4's that were always at the ready during flight ops. One mig was shot down and the other three turned and ran,one of which I believe was hit also. At that time it was thought by many that Vietnamese pilots in Russian migs were no match for our squadrons whether AF, Marine, or Navy, although there were a number of pilots that were shot down during that period.
I believe those were MiG-21s you are talking about. Navy pilot's very significantly improved their skills in the second part of the war. As for Vietnamese pilots, I think some of them were quite good and considering the circumstances, they managed to be a very serious factor through the whole period.
Thanks for the comment!
And who lost this war? Who was the fucking aggressor in this war? Whitch big nation was fucked in the ass by this little heroic country?
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Who was the fucking aggressor in this war?
It was the North Vietnam attacking South Vietnam through the territory of (supposedly) neutral Laos and Cambodia. North Vietnam's aggression eventually confirmed to the whole world by North Vietnamese occupation of South Vietnam in 1975.
@@pmpcpmpc4737 - ja ne, is klar! Ich hab weder die Zeit, noch die Buntstifte, einem Typen wie Dir den Vietnam-Krieg zu erklären! So tief kann ich meinen Intellekt beim besten Willen nicht drücken, damit ich mit Dir auf einer Stufe stehe! Ich könnte Dir natürlich entsprechende Quellen liefern, aber dann würde dein bißchen Geist ziemlich schnell an seine Kapazitätsgrenzen stoßen!
@@torstenpflug5084 No arguments, you are just trying to offend...
nice music selection :)
I couldn't agree more, thanks for the feedback! 😁
I read memoirs of Soviet instructors in Vietnam - they wrote that Vietnamese were stubborn in learning but still had very bad pilot skills. Also, they could get blackout in the middle of a maneuver with few G because they often were half-starved, and they forced the pilots to eat more meat because their traditional food was too non-nutritive. They tried to teach them to shoot rockets from a long distance and operate with the rocket using radar but it was too hard for the Vietnamese pilots to control their single-seat aircraft and operate with the rocket at the same time. That's why they usually launched their rockets from short distances of 1.5-2 km and didn't control it at all. F4 had WSO for this purpose.
Are those memoirs available in English?
@@showtime112 idk I read it somewhere several years ago
17 vietnamese pilots were air aces 5 victories or more
Great recreation of the action that day.
Thank you very much for your comment!
Definitely appropriate soundtrack for F-4s! 🤘🤘🤘
Thank you! Really glad that there are people who see it. Many are as blind as bats in that aspect 😁
@@showtime112 If it weren't for the copyrights you might've used Black Sabbath's "War Pigs" which came out around that time.
It's also fitting because when I was in the USAF we did call F-4s "pigs" because of how difficult they are to work on.
@@HiroNguy Maybe one day I'll have a huge budget and will be able to afford original songs such as War Pigs, Run Through the Jungle.... 😁 Another option is a cover by an unknown band. I used Hey Joe in my last video like that.
welldone, bros!
Thanks for the comment!
Mig19’s attitude indicator gives me the willies. 😮
Looks weird but apparently, it is authentic.
What do you think, why Ritchie destroyed that MiG-21 so easy after the merge?
I can think of several reasons and it's probably a combination of them.
- That pilot had just witnessed two of his comrades getting shot down. That must have been a confidence killer.
- Soviet and Chinese trained pilots were not trained to dogfight. Only intercept under strict ground control. In fact, Vietnamese tactics were to hit and run, not stay and turn.
- It is also very likely that he received orders from the ground to run away relying on speed. But, Phantom was fast too and missiles were even faster.
Thanks for the time and effort that went into this. Perhaps I missed it, but it's not clear what happened to the 2nd f4 in the first shoot down and the wingman in the 2nd, did they attack the mig 19?
Thanks for the comment. Let me try to answer your questions. In the first shootdown, there was just a single Phantom. I couldn't find an explanation why it was alone. Or maybe you mean when the Phantoms attacked the MiG-21s? No 2 Phantom (Lt Markle) fired two Sparrows and shot down one of the MiGs. After his leader (Maj Lodge) was shot down by the MiG-19s, the Oyster flight chose to disengage instead of fighting them. They were getting low on fuel and missiles and entering a maneuvering dogfight with the agile MiGs might have ended badly.
As I enjoy your videos more and more I decided to subscribe your channel. Good work. BTW, where is the area of the flight? Looks like a area with not too much cities, and that can be useful for certain missions.
Thank you for your subscription and comments! As for the area, this video was shot around Beslan. Mostly to the west and also some scenes to the north of it.
love the music intro!
Thank you for that! I also believe this music is just right for the video. It sounds like the early '70s music and it's just as loud and aggressive as fighter jets!
I love the Vietnamese MiGs
Most of them were in fact silver but this camouflage skin was available and generally, it usually looks better. Thank you for commenting!
Simultation quality very nice....
Thank you for your comment!
Smart / guided bombs have been used well before the Vietnam war, e.g. by the Luftwaffe in WW2 - see Fritz-X and Hs 293. Maybe you could make a video of the sinking of Battleship Roma by KG 100.
I would call those guided, perhaps not smart. That would be an interesting topic but so far, there don't seem to be available assets in any of flight simulations. Maybe IL-2 Great Battles will introduce those weapons someday. Thanks for your suggestion.
Thats some serious intro/take off/ingress music. I had a friend who flew the F4"up north" and from what he told me, as a 25yo testosterone jacked stud, thats prolly what the background sound track sounded like.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm so glad that there are people who understand why this music was placed here. It sounds a lot like early 70s hard rock, it is intense and powerful because it is about fighter jets and air combat. It caused many 'oh, this music is terrible' comments. And I'm like, can you possibly be that thick?!? I guess they can😁
@@showtime112 My fren flew the F4 out of Udorn in Northern Thailand and they were going"north" into a very dangerous area almost always. He told me they were happy to be going,...they WANTED to go up there and kick ass. Warriors.
@@drjbraun It might not seem 'normal' to most people but that's what they train for.
the mikoyan mig-19-fresco. the first mig supersonic with 3-30mm cannons, and air-air missiles.
That's true.
Oyster 1 flew OY463 on 10MAY72 but it was a D model-your video shows an F-4E. After they were shot, Oyster 1 went into a flat spin, not just dove into the ground. Capt Roger Locher ejected and spent 23 days evading capture in the jungle. May Bob Lodge rode the aircraft in.
F-4D wasn't available, as mentioned in several other replies.
Major Bob Lodge rode his Phantom in by choice. He could have ejected but didn't want to. Seems like he was more afraid of being a POW than of dying.
That crash landing was a nice touch, if a little unconvincing
Apparently, the pilot ran out of fuel just before the landing. I simulated it by shutting the engines off in the final phase of landing. After a few seconds, I lost any ability to move the control surfaces and this is what happened. I'm not sure if this is realistically modeled.
I love this 🌹
Thank you for the comment!
@@showtime112 you welcome 🌹🌸🌸🌸
Cool fight!
Thanks for commenting!
Great video brother.
Thanks. Interesting learning the details of these aerial battles.
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Thank you very much for the positive comment! Keep watching!
@@showtime112 your welcome. Quality work takes time, often research and probably a passion for what your doing.
*I'll keep watching. i hope you succeed in your endeavors in life. You're doing great at this.*
Are there other warfare topics and theaters that you could do? Maybe the Yamato, mighty Musashi...Turpitz...the mighty 8th Air force. The submariners. The Australians and American special forces operatives in Vietnam, SOG, LRRP, SeAL, marine raiders, marine force reconnaissance,
I could go on n on... no need.
As long as you make more, I'll watch them.
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Take care...
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Be well.
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@@d.cypher2920 I eventually plan to expand to area such as WWII. But generally, I will probably stay in aviation field. DCS is not a dedicated tool for making these videos but it serves a purpose well. There are other games but I don't have much time to learn them enough. DCS is taking pretty much all my time. There are more airplanes to learn (F-16, Harrier, F-14, A-10, all the Warbirds). And many more coming. I believe I won't run out of topics anytime soon :)
@@showtime112 nice. Indeed DCS serves as a good purposeful tool.
Sometimes the tasks seem like a mountain, but with each step that is taken the task is a bit more close to an accomplishment.
Simply never give up, you'll find it possible to do anything.
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The Mig-19 pilot should fly DCS, You would have a lot more experience with dead stick landings, I have no problem landing on the side of mountains.
Muy interesantes estos videos de combate aéreo yo soy coronel del ejército del aire español y he sido piloto de ef18a+
Thank you very much for commenting and appreciating the videos. There are several videos with F/A-18s in combat on the channel, don't know if you saw them. Perhaps you can give them an professional overview.
Arguably once merged the MiG 19 probably had the edge in a turning fight over an F4.
The MIG 19 is the most beautiful aircraft ever made
*CHANGE MY MIND*
Someone wrote recently that the F-4 was the most beautiful ugly aircraft ever build. Something similar could be said about the MiG-19 I guess :)
Mig 29 is most beautiful aircraft
Pretty good
Thank you for the comment!
Damn, love the intro music! And it fits with the time-period/subject at hand, too.
Oh, thank you a million times for this! I got several extremely negative comments about the music and was getting a bit annoyed by them. The music sounds like the one from this period, it is loud and aggressive but so are jet fighters, for Pete's sake!!!! While it wouldn't work well for a video about puppies doing cute things, I think it's just right for this!
RIP Maj Robert Alfred Lodge
According to some sources, he chose not to eject, fearing the enemy might gain valuable intelligence if they captured him. I only recently found out he also flew the Thud in Vietnam during the Rolling Thunder.
@@showtime112 that's a bushido grade attitude towards death
Couple of factual errors. All the MigCAP forces took off from Udorn, not Ubon. And they flew F-4Ds not F-4Es as depicted.
The video doesn't say that MiGCAP took off from Ubon. It simply starts with them already in flight without specifying their home base. I didn't want to make a separate takeoff scene and it didn't seem decisively important.
As for the F-4 variant, it's not a factual error. It was simply the only choice. F-4D is not available in DCS World.
Ok! My name is Sgt. Joey Hill. I was the Crew Chief of F4D 650784 from 1971 and 1972 at Udorn. Before Major Lodge, I was lieutenant Markle's Crew Chief in the 555TFS at Udorn. F4D 65-0784 was the aircraft that Major Lodge and once lieutenant Locher and then Captain Locher got all 3 of their M.I.G. 21 KILLS while flying. THEY WERE NOT IN 463 TAIL NUMBER. Capt. Richie before that day on May 10th
1972 had no MIG kills in 463 so why are you depicting 463 as the lead and only aircraft when 784 was the lead of Oyster flight and had the most MIG kills on it?? You would do justice to the memory of Major Lodge to correct your video of Oyster One's tail number and the correct takeoff point of Udorn RTAFB and the Triple Nickel. Facts are Facts!
Because creating proper skins for aircraft is really not easy. It takes skills and time. And most people wouldn't even know it. Assets are limited, I can make videos as they are, or not make them at all. Even if certain things can be done, it would take way too long to do them.
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Thank you very much! There's a lot more to come 😊
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11 Migs were shot down vs 2 F-4's 8 USN and 3 AF. Yes Lodge and Markle got the 21's but the next plane to be shot down was Lodges F-4 by Mig 19's at 9:44 AM. The last thing Locher heard before ejecting was Steve Ritchie's Oyster 3 There's a Splash! Next F-4 shot down was at 10:14 that Mig-19 was almost shot down by a Maneuver kill but recovered just above the ground.
Thank you for this additional info!
total air to air losses iN vietnam war 1965 1/1/1973 USA 222 aircrafts north vietnam 213 little avantage NVAF
@@philippebaron5360 from 4/4/65 to 12/28/72 all branches 95 were lost MIGS and US shot down 202 MiG's & An'2's. All the pilots were brave warriors.
@@showtime112 amazing was Roger Locher being rescued at 23 days on the day he was rescued a F-4 shot down a MIG-19 with 20MM but he did flying at Mach 1 the only kill ever.
@@RYDER8140 Wasn't that one shown in the Dogfights? I haven't seen that episode i a while but sounds familiar.
Paul Doumer and Dragons Jaw both had thousands of pounds of bombs dropped near them, it was very hard to hit due to heavy defences, even with guided bombs. I once read a book about the bombing attempts, it was insane.
Iirc the vietnamese knew the corridors the bombers used and when so they had a gauntlet of AA waiting and MiGs were never far.
Yeah, who would think a bridge would be such a hard target. I mean, you line yourself up and drop them, right? Apparently not 🙄
Thanks for the interesting post. I'm pretty surprised word didn't get through to the Narrator that the MIG-19 was a total flop. Endlessly plagued by defects, caught fire again and again. Not a single Warsaw Pact pilot volunteered to take the control of this flying catastrophe. The MIG 21 was deployed not a day too early and, unlike the MiG 19, was a complete success.
Cool music!
Thanks! It really emulates that early '70s hard rock feel.
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I tried to get that song from i-tunes, but I could not find it.
@@ArqHPA It's available in UA-cam Audio Library within the UA-cam Studio. Do you know where that is?
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It would be great if you could tell me how to get there.
@@ArqHPA You open UA-cam on a computer (not a phone or tablet). In the top right corner, there's your account logo (in your case, the letter G in a circle). When you click on it, a drop down menu opens. You select 'UA-cam Studio'
Then on the left side, you have a bunch of options , the top one is Dashboard. You scroll down to the last one called Audio Library and select it. Then just search for the title in the search field.
Nice job. Where did you get the Jolly Green?
Thank you! The Jolly Green is CH-53, an AI model available in DCS. I also used additional skins you can find here: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3311677/?sphrase_id=1170199
@@showtime112 and I saw a MiG17 also. Plus the flak in that other video as well. Nice.
@@Saguanay I'm gonna tell you a secret but you must promise not to tell anyone! MiG-17s are in fact MiG-15s. And flak is WWII German flak 😁
Good video. But I make a couple of corrections: indeed the USN and USAF F-4 Phantoms claimed 11 MiG kills that day, but VPAF loss records confirms only 8 of them. Furthermore, besides the MiG-19 victories against F-4D/E you describe here, a pair of VPAF MiG-21 pilots of the 921 FR did shot down two F-4J of the USS Constellation: the wingman Vu Duc Hop shot down the VF-92 Phantom of Harry Blackburn and Stephen Rudloff, and the leader Le Thanh Dao shot down the VF-96 Phantom of the brand new crowned aces Randall Cunningham and William Driscoll. Yes, I'm aware that in US sources these losses are credited to AAA and SA-2 respectively. But as a matter of fact, were downed by these MiG-21s.
Hey, thank you very much for your comment. As for the claims, there are a lot of discrepancies between US and Vietnamese sources. In fact, they disagree more than they agree 😁 This could be true. Especially since Cunningham and Driscoll were super hyped up after three kills so they forgot about situational awareness. I can't remember what Toperczer says about it, I will check it out.
@@showtime112 You're wellcome. BTW, in your tutorial in Hrvatski (Croatian) sometimes I understand a lot because of their similarities with Russian. Yes, I know that Croatian and Russian are in different branches of the Slavic languages family tree (Croatian in the Southern Slavic branch, Russian in the Eastern Slavic one), but still sounds very intelligbly to me. Russian is not my mother tongue (Spanish is), not the second language (English is), but the third one. I learnt to love it, in spite of its hard complexities.
@@showtime112 Regarding Cunnigham-Driscoll being shot down by Le Thanh Dao's MiG-21: 1. They were in the area where Blackburn-Rudloff were downed, Driscoll even screamed to Cunningham: "Duke, look! A Phantom is flaming like a torch!", evidently seeing the moment the VF-92 F-4J was bagged. 2. Both Vu Duc Hop and Le Thanh Dao were flying MiG-21PFMs totally painted in green. You can see the ilustration of Dao's "Red 5040" fully in green on Osprey's book about MiG-21s by Toperczer. So, no surprise that Cunnigham-Driscoll did not see Dao's MiG-21 flying bellow and behind its Phantom. 3. The same Cunningham and Driscoll always said that they had no warning from its RWR, so they assumed that the Vietnamese used a IR version of the SA-2 (S-75 Dvina, I prefer the Russian name). Now knowing that Dao claims this F-4 kill, it makes more sense to plainly admitt that it wasn't an IR S-75, but an IR R-3S.
I checked Toperczer's book on MiG-21 units of the Vietnam War. In fact, there are four F-4s claimed by 21s on 10 May. The other two having very few details, however. And the two you mention are USN so not a focus of this video anyway 😁
@@Elrusoargentino Well, those two languages are like distant cousins. You can recognize a few words but generally, they are not mutually intelligible. I speak a couple of romance languages (Italian, Brazilian Portuguese). It seems to me that they are even closer together than Slavic languages. I came across a book in Spanish (which I've never learned) called 'Malvinas La Guerra Aerea - Skyhawk A-4Q'. If I read it slowly and with full concentration, I can understand almost everything (although, the subject is quite familiar to me which makes it easier).
you have to trust your commander expectations on both 😢
Nice job but on that ingagment the US airmen were flying the F-4D not the E model that you have in your video.
I'm perfectly aware of that. Also, the MiGs are the wrong models as well. There's a limited choice of assets, the closest one is always selected.
Ok good job.
That was a bit of a rough landing! Must've been your wingman! ;)
Actually, that was made this way on purpose. The Vietnamese pilot who shot down Major Lodge ran out of fuel and was killed while attempting to perform a dead stick landing.
@@showtime112 I'm guessing the MiG-19's ejection seat was not safe to use when it became clear he wasn't going to make it. There is no way it was a 0/0 ejection seat, it must have had airspeed and altitude minimums.
@@burnttoast111 Yeah, it wasn't a zero/zero seat. I replicated the situation by shutting down the engines just before the touchdown. Basically, you lose ability to move control surfaces and the airplane first climbs a bit and then smashes into the runway. At least that's how it's modeled in DCS.
@@showtime112 I suspect that a hydraulic failure on engine shutdown is inaccurate, as brakes and ground steering would likely be affected, but I really don't know. Just seems very unsafe. RAZBAM doesn't seem to have the best modeling of aircraft, so I would take it with a grain of salt.
@@burnttoast111 I wasn't too sure about it either. Maybe pilots were simply not trained to do dead stick landings so that's why he crashed.
I hope the second successful mig-19 was okay after his out of fuel Landing
Top Gun.. F-14 vs F5 (MIGs)? .-)
You mean as a suggestion for a video? I don't know. It is fictional but maybe someday I give it a shot!
@@showtime112 Yes, thank you
as a Vietnamese playing DCS, I'm surprised that you guys are still obsessed by Vietnam war era.
Us guys? 😁 Well, if you only bothered to check the channel, you would find out that it covers historic events from many conflicts such as Korea, Arab-Israeli wars, Indo-Pakistani wars, Desert Storm, Allied Force... With plans to expand to WWII. I wouldn't call that an obsession.
@@showtime112 I meant many channels, not your in particular. Sorry for not making it clear.
@@anlq1240 Well, this was the last war in which American pilots were facing, let's call them 'worthy' opponents. Ones that managed to shoot down a good number of American aircraft. Anything after that was a single sided affair. So, the Vietnam War is basically very interesting to anyone who likes military aviation history. Makes perfect sense to me.
It was the last real war for aviation in history where planes fought it out. Everything since has been dump truck war.
@@fredjones7705 Yeah, there was some fighting in Desert Storm and Allied Force but it all ended the same way.
I never understood why so many Combat flight sim do not including the F-8 crusaders? It had more kills than the F-4 and was a single seated aircraft with guns. That plane and those pilots kicked ass. How hard can it be to include the plane? Does anyone know a flight sim that includes the F-8?😳😳
Actually, it's quite hard 😁 Eagle Dynamics executives mention that they need 10-12 thousand man hours to develop a module. In money, its about 1,5 - 2 million USD. But good news is that someone is working on it. Leatherneck Simulations are developing F-8 Crusader for DCS World. Exact date of release hasn't been announced but it is definitely coming!
@@showtime112 A few years ago I had the honor to meet a F-8 pilot who flew during the Nam war. I told him I would buy him a drink if he told me what it was like to fly the Crusader. He got glassy eyed when he talked about what a joy it was to fly that plane. He said he never merged with the F-4 in the same way he did with the F-8. He said the only drawback was landing.
@@havedrill1 Essentially, F-8 was pushed aside because BVR was thought to be the future. Of course, now we can see that was a bit premature 😁
More kills than the F-4?! IIRC it had 18 compared to around 130.
10 мая 1972 года в ДРВ было сбито два МиГ 21, два МиГ 17 и J 6. Не сходится немного
well done!!
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it!
the mdd f-4c haf only missiles. 4-sidrwinder andb4-sparrow.
The US fighter is F-4D instead of F-4E.
That is absolutely true. However, no other model than the E is available in DCS World. I always need to make such compromises or almost no video would be possible. Thank you for commenting!
it's not van Tung but van Dung
the mdd-f-4g phamton fly over north vietnam in cap missions. but some mig-21 challenge his actions.
OK, great video, but you should've included the part with bombing of the bridge as a final touch, IMHO. I was really surprised to see those LGBs on Phantoms this early - guess you live and learn. ;-)
Thanks! I thought about showing the bridge destruction but I couldn't find a suitable bridge on the map. That was a large railway bridge near a city, none on the DCS map fit the description.
@@CH-pv2rz They definitely should make a Vietnam map plus assets, I'm sure they would make money on it. Not so sure about how easy it would be. Some Eagle Dynamics managers mentioned numbers such as 10-12.000 man hours for a high-fidelity module. In money terms, that's more than 1,5 million dollars. AI assets are easier, of course but still.
Hello ,Attack inimig.
It all depends upon the skill of pilot. You can kill F 22 with MIG 21 modified as Bison as old is always gold.
True but there are limitations to that as well.
@@showtime112 Our Squadron leader Abhinandan Bartaman killed F16 just by flying on MIG 21 modified version i .e Bison in 2019. He is a great pilot.
Hi Sowtime! Super Mega Thanks for your videos. Love it all.
A Question, please.
How did you setting your AA Guns in range and Wingspan in order to engage the F-4?
I am a slow lerner, sorry
Thanks again
Thanks for the comment. In this case, radar auto-acquisition mode was used. There's a switch on the left side panel (next to the radar on/off switch). It's called target lock switch I think. It will automatically acquire a target and you don't need to set wingspan. When you see that reticle with 'wings' following the target, that's it.
If you don't have radar lock, then you set the wingspan with that big black wheel (under the green button just under the gunsight screen. You need to know the wingspan of a particular airplane (you can google it).
Beaten again. And this time not by a bot.......
Don't be sad. second place is still great 😁
82ND AIRBORNE
Whoa!! That music reminds me of my " Fatty " smokin days... YEEEHAW!!
Sounds good without smoking too 😁
I Understand that U.S lost 761 F-4 in Vietnam?
That appears to be the number on the losses list. It also includes non-combat losses during the war.
Good music!
You're Italian, you should know 😊
ну ландшафт не очень-то похож на джунгли Вьетнама...да и тактика у вьетконга была не тупо в лоб а на бреющем внезапно и с ближней дистанции..а тут как в Топ Гане..
I'm not sure if I understood everything because I needed to use Google Translate which is never completely accurate.
Of course it doesn't look like Vietnam jungle. Because it's not Vietnam. We don't have Vietnam in DCS World, it's not announced so I use Caucasus, the only map which is not completely different.
Second thing, Viet Cong? Viet Cong was guerilla units in South Vietnam. There's no mention of Viet Cong here.
Finally, it is usually very funny when people use some general idea they have and try to say my videos are not realistic. Because I use historic books to reenact them. With rather precise description of events. Not just some general idea on what a certain conflict might have looked like. This is what really happened. And tactics used by North Vietnam was not always working. In this case, their planes were detected and Phantoms had a unique opportunity to intercept them under most favorable conditions.
At 4:15 into the presentation, looks like the attitude indicator is upside down!
It looks a bit funny but that's the way it really is on the MiG-19. I have no idea why.
During NAM F4 Phantoms had their Mig kills but Mig 21 n Mig 19 pilots had their F4 kills too. Some ET UFOs also shot down 1 B52 bomber but that's a classified info.
You could say that Vietnamese pilots were the last 'worthy' opponents for Americans. Everybody who tried to confront them after that was simply wiped away.
河内战火上空飘，我比鬼怪飞得高
2 AF F-4's were shot down by Mig-19's on 5/10/72 3 KIA and 1 RES. 11 Migs shot down 8 USN 3 USAF.
Yep, I hope someday we get the F-4 so I can do a video on the Navy part of that day.
@@showtime112 They lost 2 F-4'S 1 to AAA 1KIA,1POW and 1 to SAM 2 Res.
I like this Rock Musik but doesn't fit with the Phantoms...little bit more sensitivity!
Rock music doesn't fit with the Phantoms?!?! Seriously?!? I can't imagine any music which could possibly fit better. Rock dominated the charts at exactly the same time when Phantom dominated the skies. It is loud and powerful, just like the Phantom! But maybe you think something like Taylor Swift would be better? 🤣
What was the wingman of Lodge doing while the MIG 19 was getting on his 6?! Obviously he has failed completely!
Warning him about the MiG on his six fir one thing (which Lodge ignored) . Those were D Phantoms with no guns, the MiG was so close that a missile could have easily hit either of them.
@@showtime112 thanks, this info is vital. The reason Lodge ignored him, will never be known.
@@Varethikatisbaroufes We can only speculate but probably, he was too focused on shooting down the MiG in front of him. I think that would have been his fourth kill, the highest score in the war at the time.
Another great video! Also Navy F-4 pilot, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, also became an ace on that day when he shot down the legendary North Vietnamese Ace Col Toon. Ironically, Lt. Cunningham was shot down by an SA-2 after his engagement with Col. Toon, but he and his RIO were rescued in the Gulf of Tonkin!
Actually, Col Toon (or Tomb) never existed. This story came as a result of a photo of a Vietnamese MiG-17 with many kill markings. But this was a combined score, not individual. Istvan Toperczer explored the story and concluded it was a myth. But that last guy Cunningham fought was certainly a very capable pilot.
Thank you for your comment!
@@showtime112 - Yes, I did in fact here about this, that Col. Toon was really a fictitious character created for propaganda purposes, but also heard he was a real pilot. I wasn't quite sure if the story was truthful or not. Unfortunately, Duke Cunningham got into a corruption scandal while serving as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives and was sentenced to 8 years in U.S. Federal prison. He's out now and living a quiet life in Arkansas.
@@NeutronRob You could say he was a much better pilot than a politician 😁
@@showtime112 🤣
why the hell didnt the mig 21 pilots pull more aggressive evasive maneuvers with a phantom on there rear, a mig 21 can turn tighter in a horizontal turn than a F4 can , i read that F4 pilots were told to avoid horizontal turning fights with mig 21s .
Because real combat is so much more than just comparing aircraft performance. Here are some factors:
1) Psychology - That MiG-21 pilot had just witnessed two of his comrades getting shot down. It is not entirely unlikely that he was panicking a bit.
2) Soviet doctrine never taught the pilots to dogfight but instead to intercept under strict ground control. Vietnamese tactics with MiG-21 was hit and run. Launch missiles and get out. It is also likely that ground control ordered him to flee after the first two planes were downed.
3) He might have also thought he was already safe and outside of missile range. I'm not even sure if that variant had any RWR and rearward visibility is awful in a MiG-21