Understanding Contemporary Pakistan through History: A Conversation with Ayesha Jalal
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- How historical decisions and circumstances have shaped the challenges Pakistan faces today?
Ali Cheema, Program Director, Center for Economic Research in Pakistan, hosted a discussion with the Tufts University Mary Richardson Professor of History, Ayesha Jalal at CDPR's Lahore Policy Exchange held on April 14, 2017.
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Balochistan will be liberated inshallah ❤️
No thanks 😂
Kashmir will be liberated from Indian occupation inshallah. Khalistan and seven sisters will be independent from india inshallah
1. Ignoring the bengalis who were the majority.
2. The dominance of religious fundamentalist towards formulating Pakistani constitution.
3. Punjabaization of Pakistani administration..
These speaks a lot about Pakistan. I wish Madam Jalal would have been more honest and straight forward.
I wish to hear from her about the cultural and moral dilemma and dichotomy that is haunting Pakistanis..
Plus, the Urdu speaking immigrants who left India, flooded Pakistan & imposed Urdu everywhere. Thats why Karachi during partition had a diverse population i.e. Sindhi's, Parsi's, Christians - all these folks now, are in the minority there.
Punjabaization of pakistani administration and then islamisation of pakistan
SOUTH Asian scholars are pro jihadists. CIA is behind all of them
ReLigion is not same as Dharma. ReLigion (Churchism, MohMadism, KaamRaidism and Fiat Currency like $ & Pound driven Hedonistic Consumerism) is merely a psychological Weapon of Mass Destruction used by evil foreign brutes to enslave, colonize, rob, rape, sodomize, deracinate and use as cannon fodder to create and expand evil empires for One Roman King, BriShit Queen, Khalifa, politburo honcho like Stalin/Mao/Xi and the Deep State 82 AngloSaxon families. Dharma is native and organic. Congress/ConAngrez is BriShit creation.
Madarassachap = Rootless parasites with Arabic/Turkic brain plant.
Conventy SexSpearian Literate = Rootless parasite with the Western brain plant
If the power sharing formula was such a great idea why did Pakistan not adopt the same in Pakistan post separation???
Ayesha jalal bakery of half baked history
No one can change history and it's consequences. But we can learn from the past to improve our future. The partition did flare up tensions between hindus and muslims and it carries on to this day. The Pakistani establishment feeds on this animosity and cannot afford a resolution of issues between the two countries which would render them virtually powerless. But we need to somehow resolve the issues and stop being enemies. Only then can we prosper together. This region has potential to lead the world in prosperity ... If Europe can do it, why can't we?
I so agree with you. We are stuck in the middle age because our politicians lack the political will to grow technologically. So, they create an enemy to win elections.
What's secularism? When loot from colonies started piling up in UK, France and other European brute countries their Deep State didn't want to share the loot with the Church clergy. To keep the clergy away from the State's decision making they came up with idea of secularism.
In 20th century when these Anglos had to run in hurry from Bharat they created first ISIS (Islamic State of Indian Subcontinent) called Pakistan using Khalifa Al Lundoni Chiknah Jinah and their newest prophet/popat called Gandy, and imposed Sickularism on rest of Bharat using their unelected Pappu Khalifa Al Lootyani ConAngrez KaamRaid Bandit Nowheru.
What's the core national interest of Pakistan? Islam?? MBS & MBZ are deIslamizing their societies just like Gaddafi, Sadat, Assam and Saddam tried before. West has mastered use of the gang/legion Islam as Weapon of Mass Destruction by breeding Khalifas like Khalifa Al Lundoni Chiknah Jinah, Khalifa Al Baghdadi of ISIS. Chiknah was the first Khalifa of ISIS (Islamic State of Indian Subcontinent).
China has solved its Islam problem by putting in concentration camps like asylum all its MohMaddens. Bharat needs to send its MohMaddens to asylum called Pakistan.
Violence had erupted as a consequence out Jinnah's call if direct action and his attempts to destabilise Unionist Party Govt in Punjab.
Why was muslim league not secular? Is secularism only for Hindus? U should write a book on this.
This was largely as a reaction to Congress’ decision to start mobilising behind religious symbols. Jinnah is on record having warned Gandhi against supporting the Khilafat movement so as to not bring religion into politics so I think your comment is historical and unfair.
@@thefishtruck So according to ur logic ,Jinnah who gave two nation theory is a secular person..
Wah mere Madrasachap.!
@@guruaus2659bey gadhe, as an Indian Hindu I will try to educate you. the rest of the work is for you to do, if you have the brains to do it.
the Hindu mahasabha was NOT secular either, so don't take credit for great men like Tagore and Gandhi and call it Hindu benevolence.
it is also nonsensical to ask why a political PARTY is not secular. A nation is secular, and parties function within it, to represent local populations. Indian parties like SP, BSP, shiv Sena and of course your beloved BJP are not secular either.
As for Jinnah. as a lawyer he WAS secular, despite your hate filled propaganda making this seem unbelievable. bachpan se sirf ignorance hi sunte hotao to yahi hota hai.
His demand under the Muslim League were that Indian Muslims be granted separate electorates, to ensure their representation.
As for the 2 nation theory, it was NOT interested in partition, as Jalal clearly explains. it was about electoral autonomy for Muslim majority regions, not a division into 2 Nations. we may disagree with this plan, but AT LEAST try to use your mind to understand reality.
otherwise stay stuck in your Modi madrassa of ignorance. buddhi sikhai nahi ja sakti. 🙏
@thefishtruck
ReLigion is not same as Dharma. ReLigion (Churchism, MohMadism, KaamRaidism and Fiat Currency like $ & Pound driven Hedonistic Consumerism) is merely a psychological Weapon of Mass Destruction used by evil foreign brutes to enslave, colonize, rob, rape, sodomize, deracinate and use as cannon fodder to create and expand evil empires for One Roman King, BriShit Queen, Khalifa, politburo honcho like Stalin/Mao/Xi and the Deep State 82 AngloSaxon families. Dharma is native and organic. Congress/ConAngrez is BriShit creation.
@guruaus2659
Madarassachap = Rootless parasites with Arabic/Turkic brain plant.
Conventy SexSpearian Literate = Rootless parasite with the Western brain plant
who said Hindus are secular. It is Hindutva running country by RSS. Stop doing propaganda. Babri Masjid is a stark example.
Blame the system, and I am not sure what equal participation in the upper house of Pakistan with equal representation of provinces has given to the country
Comments is my right sahi ya galat.
There was/is NO HILTON HOTEL in LAHORE!!
HI Ayesha. What is arrangements of power sharing for Muslim in US?. If there is none, pls go back to Pakistan.
Please go back to India you fake Zionist
@@LylieRandale Sorry Jihadi. Please don't blast your self dreaming of 72 virgins🤣😂
what an ugly ignorant comment, ignorant mind.
power sharing between political parties, not religious communities. at least understand the argument, smartass.
Madam, a major flaw in Mr Jinnah's thinking was that he never addressed the issue of conversion which extended over a long period of 1100 years. Mr jinnah's basic postulate was ; Hindus and muslims are 2 entirely different and opposite nations and can not live together ,and his entire politics started from this premise.
Why intelligent pakistani are not doing something to change? Everybody wants a stable neighbor.
Ayesha, the sole spokeswomen of Jinnah... covering his misadventures...
Keya mai sir kahta hoon.
When I see the work and conversations in your institutions you sound like where India was in the 50s.
as an Indian, I have no illusions about the institutional farce of modern India too.
and frankly this conversation was academic n civilized, nothing like the fanaticism that runs politics in India today. what are you trying to compare?
@@lazypops3117as an i dian...?.which state ?.😂
speaking more like a useful idiot of ISI@@lazypops3117
@lazypops3117
ReLigion is not same as Dharma. ReLigion (Churchism, MohMadism, KaamRaidism and Fiat Currency like $ & Pound driven Hedonistic Consumerism) is merely a psychological Weapon of Mass Destruction used by evil foreign brutes to enslave, colonize, rob, rape, sodomize, deracinate and use as cannon fodder to create and expand evil empires for One Roman King, BriShit Queen, Khalifa, politburo honcho like Stalin/Mao/Xi and the Deep State 82 AngloSaxon families. Dharma is native and organic. Congress/ConAngrez is BriShit creation.
Madarassachap = Rootless parasites with Arabic/Turkic brain plant.
Conventy SexSpearian Literate = Rootless parasite with the Western brain plant
Ms Jalal, BJP has a government in east i.e. Assam, and has had a government in South i.e. Karnataka .... get your facts right...
Pak yadi pabitra ami kothai.
Power of pakistan and india ,suluk
No, Pakistan is an ideology for muslims of the subcontinent and Hazrad Allama Iqbal RA already had said in one of his verses about the separate homeland for the muslims of the subcontinent.
"DEKH RAHA HOU MUSLMANOO KO AKHAIR KAR AIK HINDUSTANI MUSLIM
RIYASAT BANA PARA GEE YEHEE ESS KI DAKDEER HAI"
Today is your school.
GDP SIR.
Jinnah's demands for parity, if that's Wyatt she calls power sharing, were not just entirely unrealistic and unjustified, but were also against any notion of representative government and totally unjust to Hindus and the whole of India. Jinnah bit more than he could chew or swallow. Now she is crying about what Jinnah got. He got what he deserved.
power sharing between parties, not communities. Separate electorates to guarantee representation, not parity of voter numbers.
Her argument is that Jinnah did not want partition, and that's not a difficult argument to understand. 🙏
Jajal keya mujh ko kami the . Keoun bolte ho.
The whole discussion about Pakistan ignores the 1,000 lb gorilla in the room - the Pak Army. So, comparing Pakistan with Bharat does not hold.
sugata basu's wife i think.
Madam jangi kaum parliamentary democracy me nahi rah sakti.
And if you want to talk about the reasons for the formation of Pakistan, it was just the demand of separate electorate on the basis of religion, actually 1/3 of total parliamentary seats and state assembly seats, reservation for Muslims in government jobs demanded by a particular religion of aasmaani kitab. It was the hunger of power of jinna and other Muslim leaders which led to creation of Pakistan and good for us we got rid of Muslim tyranny.
How wrong are her statistics . Pakistan and Bangladesh are each less than Mahrashtra in economic size ! Yes .
i think she was talking about loksabha seats, UP have 80, MH have 48
A jaahal Punjabi or Pathan won't become a refined and civilized human merely by speaking in English.
Mere ghar me kutti hai o inhi rahegi
All blah blah bl blah. Cocnclusion...Zero.
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• karma yogi
• sun is rising from the EAST, his name is Narendra Modi
• this karma veer is true essence of Hindu philosophy
• this sun of blazing vigor, Narendra Modi as a PM trying to fulfil the ambition of India, pride of India
• he has left an indelible mark of excellence in the anal of history, prime minister of India
• Narendra Modi is fulfilling the dream of another Narendra nath Dutta, swami Vivekananda.
• ¬in decrepit vote bank politics of congress, Nehru family is the source of corruption.
• Narendra Modi is an honest, hardworking Person
Congress has been campaigning mendacious attacks on Modi,using Muslims who have remained poor and illiterate under congress, a pathetic vote bank
A masterclass in how to beat around the bush😂
Pak yadi pabitra ami kothai.
Ayesha Jalal, speaks more as a Pakistani and particularly Jinnah apologist than a historian. I do grant her the scholarship obviously but scholarship demands transparency of thought and opinion. As an example she take umbrage with Pakistan being called a failed state and demands a standard for the failure. I suggest to her to set her sights a bit higher and out of the 3rd world ring of either colonial misfits or just plain illiterate administrators and institutions. Every Pakistani institution is failing and compromised. The corrupt army calls the shots in more ways than one. Population is out of control, malnutrition is threatening a not so bright future, illiteracy is rampant. Shall I continue Ms. Jalal?
Jalal is a barren scholar propounding bizarre theories e.g. that Jinnah was Not responsible for Partition and surviving on those theories.
@@SuryanarayanaJagarlapudi Whats a "barren scholar" Jalal has earned her scholarship. Open your mind and learn to accept!
Pushing the same old blaming Jasahwelal Nehru for Pakistans lack of good leadership for builing a demlcratic state.
Pak yadi pabitra ami kothai.ami larkana jabo nished korbe na.
Ayesha jajal asge to amar ghore
Muslim population India not minority
Even 7 countries of Islam .
The failure of power-sharing arrangement (conflict of opinion between Quaid and the Congress) led to Pakistan
you have tried to summarize her thesis, but you've got it wrong. Not sure if it's an original effort or if you read it in a kunji.
When she mentions "power sharing", it's not a "conflict of opinion"; it was a disagreement about Muslim electorates and majority state identity within an undivided nation. The Muslim League (Jinnah's party) would maintain power by claiming a certain electorate, and so upholding the rights of Indian Muslims.
@@lazypops3117after reading your comments, it's apparent to me that, in fact you have lost the said kunji of your mind.
Heading is beautiful consortium development.
Gandhi was layer also jinnah both from gujrat .
Even today contributed by by bengal
Pahle muh bolta ,nowadays on machine
Md is qued e azam like our present md.
Gujrat mean the than sourastra.
A veteran of white lie .
Puri history distort krke bta rhi h ye aunty
Ms Jalal, got to hit the bet around the 40's minute ... just count the number of times you have involuntarily compared and admired India... kind of throwing mud over Jinnah's grave... Neither intellectual nor honest
History of Pakistan begins when first Muslim entered in India.This sowed the seeds for a two diverging ideologies.., One strong believer in One God and worshipping Him alone while the other believer in many Gods ( Idols) and worshipping hundred of deities . Both these ideologies were 180 degree to each other.
Number Of attempts were made over a thousand years of their living together to forge a kind of a unity or melt them into a single entity or nation, but all if them failed except creating a semblance of a single state that too mostly under Muslim Kings and rulers. This artificial unity was torn apart the day the Muslim rule came to end with arrival of Britishers. I dare say that the kind of artificial unity created by the British Umpire was flawed right at out set, It was a coersive kind of policy which gave India a semblance of unity.but it collapsed after Britishers control weakened after WW-II. Both Hindu and Muslims Leaders failed to come out with a durable solution to forge unity among Myslims and Hindus on the lines that it had worked before BritIsh arrival. The partial blame also lies on the Britishers bcz they ruled through Divide and Rule policy .
The ideal would be if they had stayed together but now let bye gone be bye gone. Both the nations houl pull down the brggage and sordid episode of Partition and try to live like good neighbors. Is there no worthwhile political leadership who can talk peace and ensure living in peace with each other. They must cooperated with each other and move away from the policy of brinkmanship so that their energies and scant resources can be diverted towards better human cause that is to alleviate the wide spread poverty and hunger.
In recent past, BJP beside its belligerent stance towards Pakistan, had taken steps in right direction by improving relations with PML N lead govt under Nawaz Shareef. Some how this initiative was sabotaged by a military Dictator by venturing across LOC in Kargil in Kashmir. But the same Dictator then went begging peace with Bajpai. I think with both parties in power now in both countries, there are good reasons that a new beginning can be made to forge better relations in both countries for betterment if their populace.
True Ayesha Jalal need no introduction coz of her flawed and biased history writing based on no facts
Who’re you?
@@nizamdeen3442 and who are you?
@nizamdeen3442
ReLigion is not same as Dharma. ReLigion (Churchism, MohMadism, KaamRaidism and Fiat Currency like $ & Pound driven Hedonistic Consumerism) is merely a psychological Weapon of Mass Destruction used by evil foreign brutes to enslave, colonize, rob, rape, sodomize, deracinate and use as cannon fodder to create and expand evil empires for One Roman King, BriShit Queen, Khalifa, politburo honcho like Stalin/Mao/Xi and the Deep State 82 AngloSaxon families. Dharma is native and organic. Congress/ConAngrez is BriShit creation.
Madarassachap = Rootless parasites with Arabic/Turkic brain plant.
Conventy SexSpearian Literate = Rootless parasite with the Western brain plant
The more I hear Ms Jalal talk the more I feel she is delusional. Does she think, Pakistan should have received two thirds of resources of pre partition India? She has got to be crazy.
Biased schooler.......
The power sharing terms are unacceptable.
Why so
because you agree with nehru-gandhi or modi-savarkar? the number of educated idiots in our 2 countries is incredible
Her narration half false and half fabricated
As history is always that to be,half truth half fabricated.
Ayesha,
a. the book isnn't by Dharampal but by Dhulapala
b. Having read the book, Venkat has proven beyond doubt that Muslims of India wanted more than what they deserved
c. Jinnah wasn't democratic by a mile all he is directorial and a pretend fanatic Muslim
d. Usmani who was the first Sheik Ul Islam of Pak , didn't want a secular state
e. it wasn't Ayub, but Jinnah who wanted to align with American's
f. i am not sure what are you referring to federalism in India, but the "hostage population theory" as proposed by Jinnah has been a total failure, other than in Kashmir where state sponsored is making life's of muslims terrible
g. Nehru was from Kashmir, and Ms Jalal there are more than required muslims in UP
wow you missed every point of her argument. congratulations.
thank you for your numbered list of irrelevant facts. 🙏
@@lazypops3117 Name the missed arguments ?
Jalal is a great erudite and sage. She has a strong grip on Pakistan 🇵🇰. She is postmodern, constructs the plausible points that history hasn't shown us but are present in history. Her stance on Jinnah is also sensible and much valid than that of ISHTIAQ. she is an intelligent lady that Pakistan has ever produced, not in fact Pakistan but Pakistan is proud of her. jalal's perspicacity is commendable; she analyzes things in their context and makes plausible arguments that no one has ever made, or no one was able to see the depth of history that she has seen. In addition, She is also an eloquent, beautiful, and dazzling lady, and all young historians should consider her mentor.
I don't know much about her. But i admire madam asma jahangir the most
Let's not compare Ayesha Jalal with Ishtiaq Ahmed. Terms like erudite, sage do not just extend. Lack of discipline training in scientific research is absent in Ahmed. There is not a You Tube channel he does not like. Almost every interview I have seen are full of errors and made with a view of pleasing the largely schadenfreude-motivated viewers.
@@balakuntalamsridhar578920:00 🎉😂😢
LOL
Yes it’s fact that Hindu leaders weren’t ready for sharing power in senate and weren’t ready to hold a single federal in Hindustan that’s why Jinnah fight for the rights of minorities even today Hindus are choosing government of MODI which is totally against the minorities. Hats off to Jinnah a sole spokesman.
What's wrong if indians elected modi as their PM? He is elected, not selected. Agar vo anti minority hai toh India me government schemes ka sabse jada benefit minorities ko kyu milta hai like housing scheme, direct bank transfer, gas connections? it is a revolution in india and dream for pakistanis. Can you give me one example of his anti minority law? In fact majority ke paiso se minority clerics aur religious schools ko paisa milta hai but majority ko nai milta. Minority can administer their institutions but majority cannot, minority have their own personal laws in India and it is laughable in a secular country, they can hold highest position in India & they did. Indians are also quite liberal coz we have elected muslims parliament members but you don't. BTW pakistan ki majority ko konse rights mil rhe hai boss? thanks to your coward establishment. it is such a banana republic where every institution is a mockery. i can proudly say that indian muslims have better standard of living and opportunities than pakistani muslims
Why do the Muslims still live in India when they got their beloved Pakistan in 1947??? Why don't they go away? That is the real issue.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv Really that is the question that comes into your mind? typical Mullah, BJP mentality
This is a discussion which avoids the main issues and talks about trivial matters
She is the wife of the TMC leader. Her Husband and her Sister-in-law are in an information warfare