Buddy, they FUCKED you plain and simple. To get PSA 5 and 6s like that is pathetic. I mean i have vintage cards with with dinged up corners, and edges that grade 6s and some higher. I don't get how those Griffeys would truly deserve what they gave them. I think sending all those in at once may been bad ideal. They arent going to allow to many 9s and 10s of this card. I do think and would bet you money that those low grades 5s and 6s would grade better if scattered out and resubmitted. Some of them may not but i truly believe many of them would grade much better if submitted again slowly. Good luck in the future.
The problem is that these new highly printed cards are all mint so they are super picky on these compared to 1952 topps which I collect. I only buy nicely centered 52 topps and you might not find 1 in 50. All of your cards graded have sharp corners and centered so everything is already mint. So they must be more strict.
It shouldn't matter how many cards you send in, they should grade them correctly. I truly believe it's only going to hurt the hobby. I believe the hobby should stop worrying about getting rich off of cards and collect your favorite players like it used to be. It used to be fun
Not necessarily I have seen 5-6s look way nicer it's called pop control and they 100% control the grades if the emblem on the back is not perfectly centered it's a 7 automatic and then count off for centering you easily have a 6 possible 5 don't have to be much wrong to get a 5-6. Facts
@@tgwhisp200 You can tell. These ratings seem BS. I've seen 5s and they have rounded corners, edge wear, and usually some defects. these are or should be at least 7-8+
I’ve seen them missing part of the hologram and getting 9s from both PSA and Beckett. And none of this batch was centered too badly to get less than 8. Maybe even 9.
I had watched a video on the griffey and the guy said that finding a grade 10 griffey was one of the hardest cards to find. He blew my mind when he said you can buy a griffey all day long for $15-$20., but a 10 grade griffey would bring thousands. I was thinking that's bs. Well watching what you just went through just proves him rught. Wow!!!! Glad you did this I've always wandered about it.
If you look at the PSA pop report of the 65,226 1989 UD Griffey's submitted only 4.79% came back a PSA 10. You sent in 51 Griffeys and with those odds you should have had 2.4 Griffey's graded a PSA 10...so technically only 2 should have come back PSA 10 from your submission. That's a bummer man, but the odds were going to be pretty low to being with.
It's May 2022 and PSA Pop Report says they have graded 87,880 examples, given out 4,018 Gem Mint grades for a rate of 4.57%, so PSA is getting tougher on this card over time.
@@vintagecardcurator have you done a video on this Griffey RC like your great Rickey Henderson vid? Just wondering if the same unknown is going on here. I loved your investigation of the Henderson card in relation to the other cards on the uncut sheet. Seems PSA doing the same thing here.
@@MateoB73 Yes, I have done an analysis of this card too. It's pop controlled by PSA too: ua-cam.com/video/Wirna8ihUuA/v-deo.html Not nearly as bad as the Henderson, but still bad. In fact, this video was the inspiration for me looking at the Rickey Henderson pop control.
@@vintagecardcurator thank you, I somehow missed it prior. Seems PSA is creating the market demand intentionally. If their grades are not objective then their grade shouldn’t be the market standard.
This vid went from awesome to depressing To comical...I send in all iconic cards like these regardless how they look....don't waste any money sending them back unless you have deep pockets and it's not an issue. I've sent in 5 of these over the years and PSA 6 is my highest grade so far
After collecting cards for 20+ years I've noticed that the penny sleeves can damage the cards too. I've had times I just slide them in and the corner catch the plastic and cause minor damage that can be seen magnified. Now I crease one end to make sure it never catches. Plus there's a lot of things can't be seen without magnification.
exactly! I cut one corner (Left) off my penny sleeves, so that when the card goes in it won't catch. For eye appeal, the penny sleeves won't damage cards, but for grading and magnification, most cards have touched those sleeves going in and suffered very minor damage, which magnifies in the grading.
I sent 29 '89 UD Griffeys in a bulk submission last year and had very similar results. (4) 9's, (16) 8's and the rest were right down from there. 7, 6, 5, 4 & 3. Even got a 3(MC).....lol. I did sell the 3(MC) for a premium on EBay though because a couple guys were big Mis Cut Colectors so I got about $23 for it. Good Luck and keep submitting.
Now, crack all out except the 10 (and maybe the 9s) and submit to SGC. Would be a FANTASTIC video! I predict you'd get MUCH higher grades from SGC, albeit Truly fair grades
Honestly I think you just pissed the graders off by sending in 50 of the same card. The same thing happened to me when I sent in 25 Michael Jordan rookie cards I got one PSA 10 four PSA sevens and the rest were PSA sixes. Then later down the road I took four of the PSA sixes out of the sleeves sent them back in then I got one PSA 10 back and three PSA nine’s back.
You know what you should do... You should take all of those sixes and crack them out of the case on camera... Never allowing the camera to go away from the cards... Once they've all been cracked and everything is still on camera with the camera rolling gently place each one of them into card savers... Place the card Savers into the box to send back to PSA... Keep the camera rolling the entire time... Put the submission in with the camera still rolling... Tape the box up keep the Box on camera... Drive to the post office all with the goddamn camera still rolling... Never allowing the box to leave site of the camera... And then drop the Box off at the post office. This might seem like a lot, but it can be done. You should be able to do the entire process less than an hour. With a full battery you should be able to keep the camera rolling the entire time. At this point you now have physical proof. Then when the Box comes back, break them all out of the box on camera as well. And then look and see what grades you get. At that point if there's any major differences, that's grounds for a lawsuit. On so many levels. Sports card investing is a huge business. There's absolutely no difference between grading companies destroying your investment, and pump and dumpers or short-sellers destroying an investment in a company through its stock. Yet we get lawsuits all the time because people brought down the value of a company with unethical means in the stock market... Yet this is essentially the same thing. Matter of fact, I wouldn't even mess with the nines or the 10... But it might be worth it to crack the Apes out of their case and resend them in. Why? Because maybe they come back at 9 or 10 and then you win. Or, maybe they come back at 6 AZ then you have grounds for a lawsuit. Either way, this needs to be brought the people's attention. Just looking at those cards there didn't seem to be any Rhyme or Reason. There's no chance most of those should have been graded a five or a six. Looking right at them. Seeing how sharp they looked and the centering Etc. There's zero chance that should have been graded a 5 or a 6. Not based off of normal criteria. Which leads me to believe that the comment about you being population control might have some Merit. And if PSA is manipulating the grading find things that are not based off of the actual condition of the card, it brings the entire operation into question.
@@tgwhisp200 Great minds think alike! I’ve been saying everything you said for the last 2 years, and people think I’m crazy! Population control, market control on eBay, creating false sense of worth through overinflated asking and selling prices! PSA is just a fanboy card grader at this point. There’s absolutely no rhyme or reason as to why they’re number one over BGS! For starters, I believe BGS has always graded cards much tougher, and their slabs make PSA’s look like cheap tinker toys. Beckett was who EVERYONE in the hobby looked toward for card pricing back in the day, so from that standpoint, I think they have the most merit in the grading business. PSA has been bought, and paid for by the Elite’s who are looking to protect their assets and investments, period! Nat Turner is an oiled up little weasel who’s in it for the money, not the passion of the hobby! He serves his pimp’s such as those weasel sellouts Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jack Dorsey just to name a few. They’re all one in the same, and probably circle jerk on Elon Musk once a week. This is why I’ll always prefer BGS over PSA.
Psa also dimes out orders that are stuffed with value. Like they'll never allow certain submissions with a bunch of high dollar cards of the same kind get 10's because they know it will hurt the population, which has an effect on their appeal. But theyll randomly pick a certain order and decide to give one person all 10's. Their basically a fucking casino...
@@soundofthegardenwatc I’m late but BCCG has always been good in my opinion. They don’t have an amazing reputation but at least they don’t lie like the rest of the companys
Griffey will always be my all time favorite ball player.. that being said.. as sad as it is to say.. once he is long gone PSA 8-10s will be worth a lot in the future. Don’t be too disappointed.
After seeing your results I feel very lucky. I mainly deal in NASCAR, however, I broke two boxes of 89 UD and sent in the four griffey's and one johnson card. Came back 2 8's a 9 and a gem 10 for Jr. The one johnson was a 10. PSA can be quite cold indeed!
It was a little depressing I have to admit. Getting 5 PSA 10's out of 17 Johnson's and 1 PSA 10 out of 51 Griffey's kind of stinks. Especially since they came from the same case / box / pack! If you remember, usually the Griffey and the Johnson would be in the same packs in the low number cases at least. Thanks for the reply. I will check out your channel.
I sent my 89 Upper deck Griffey to Becket and got a 6.5. I think it is more objective by whoever is rating them. One guy may give you a 6 and another may give an 8. I’ve watched this video on my tv and I can’t tell why most of the cards got 6s. Maybe not tens, but they are much better than six.
I had a sweet hasek jersey that was so damaged that upperdeck exchanged it for like 400$ worth of other jerseys and auto cards as they couldn't replace it.. i got a sick Patrick Roy auto and 2 Gretzky jerseys and a bunch of other star player jerseys/auto.. i would have been happy with just the Roy auto. The rep said I wouldn't be disappointed. Cards do come right out of the Pack damaged. It's all machined inserted. Those 5 and 6 grades you should be able to see the damages. Probably a small scratch. Definitely use a powerful magnifying glass and a bright white light and you'll see alot more
I love this video. It’s great because you had so many cards so it’s super interesting to see the grading variations and yeah, it’s crazy those low grades. Maybe the five and sixes you resend maybe even to a different grading company.. This video tells me is I should never buy a Ken Griffey Junior card because there’s way too many of them out there. lol it’s a shame because I love this card. It’s a gorgeous card. I just don’t think they’re gonna hold their value overtime like a vintage card will
Cards get damaged in packs as well: print lines, creased edges corners, surface wrinkles. Fun to watch you really need to buy a jeweler's loupe and a blacklight or lamp for the next one.
FYI; Upper Deck printed 100 card sheets of just the Ken Griffey Jr. 5,000 to a box was available to us at the Gibraltar Trade centers in Detroit. What a scam.
good insights into card collecting....I have so many "valuable" cards, that now I realize are not as valuable as I thought, I could not tell on that 5, why it could not have been an 8....check for small surface wrinkles in the shape of a sticker, those sticker inserts sometimes affected the card surface.....
I got the chance to watch this video months ago on my TV and I'm just coming around now to watch it again and subscribe to your channel. I was telling a lot of my collecting friends about this video and man I really feel for you with this submission. I recently packed pulled an 89 UD Griffey and it came back a PSA 8. In fact all my 89 UDs came back an 8. It's so hard to get a 9 or 10 grade on that set. I would actually crack some of the lower grade ones and submit them to Beckett to see what they get. A lot of them look pretty good. Again really sorry to see this sir.
Back when I was twelve or thirteen, I pulled four Griffeys from an 89 box of Donruss. These were the first cards I ever got graded. I saved my money, sent two of them off, and planned to how to spend my small fortune from selling them after them came back gem mint. To my untrained eye, these two cards were perfect. Right out of the pack. I even measured the centering. When they came back (from Beckett grading), I was so disappointed. I really was. A 5 and a 5.5. I was nearly in tears.
PSA screwed me on an order I just got back today. I pulled a Griffey recently and it was pristine. They gave me a 6. Every other modern card I sent was a 9 or a 10. If it was a 6 I wouldn't have sent it. I'm cracking it and sending to SGC.
I must have first seen this a few years ago, but I've referenced this video a handful of times when talking about what a crock grading is. 5's and 6's? Aren't 5's and 6's generally like 60's Hank Aaron cards with super fuzzy corners but at least not creased? I mean to my eyes watching the video, I don't know that any of these should have graded lower than an 8. Obviously we can't see every little flaw just from the video, but what's your take? Did the 5's and 6's have a dented corner or something?
Damn bro...im sorry this happened to you. Like someone said.. it looks like they are controlling the POP count but if I were you I'd still be stoked about those 9 and 10s! You def made your money back
Look at it this way...now you've got slabbed Griffey jr. RCs you can give to all your nephews, cousins or what have you and a story to tell, especially after doing post grading research.
ahaha, from the this cards we got a histogram of the distribution of PSA estimates on the WAX cards. If you send fives and sixes again, some of them will be received at 8 and even 9.
awesome vid, we just received our 3 griffey jr 89 UD RC's.......we got 8, 9, and 10! opened and sleeved all of them just like you, all 3 openings of them are on my channel....
I stopped collecting years ago but that card was iconic for me, I never got to own it though. Speaking for myself, I would love to own a 6. Not for investment or anything, just to own. I was a 10 year old Mariners fan and Jr. was my hero, I just could never afford the card as a kid.
Makes me wonder if... when PSA gets a bulk lot.. they grade em SUPER PHUKN HARD as to not kill the honored 9 and 10 spots.... bro... they hosed you !! I would crack open 5 of the lowest grades and re-sub them independently... bet they come back graded higher !!!!
I know this is an older video but this is disturbing. According to the current PSA population report, if my calculations are correct, PSA gives 10's to about 17% of overall submissions (32,979 10's out of 193,814 total submissions). Your submissions got 1.96% that came back a 10. PSA grades about 6% of the submissions sent in as 6's. You got about 41% that came back a 6. If you inspected these hoping to get 9's or 10's, you should have gotten back about 8 as 10's and only about 3-4 6's. This tells me the big guys and auction houses get the better grades. Little guys like me that only submit 20-30 cards a year will never get the consideration as large submitters. (I guess the bright side is that one 10 is worth about $2K so depending on the service level you covered your fees).
I have heard that the little round stickers that came in the packs, can damage the cards surface. If too much weight is put on the boxes/cases when being stacked, this can happen. It seems that's what happened with a lot of your Upper Deck Griffey cards. I was pulling for you man :)
Thanks for the info! I did see some micro scratches on some of them and didn't under stand how they got there. That makes sense. I appreciate the comment and I will not give up on 89 Upper Deck. Yet. :)
PSA gets really stingy and higher standards when it comes to grading mass-produced cards from the 80's and early to late 90's - including 89 Upper Deck which would be considered "rare" for that era but still...... A PSA 5 for a card produced in 1989 would be like PSA 8-9 for a card produced in 1965...
just solidified my case against PSA. You submitted 51 and they obviously want you to resubmit 50 of them. Their success is in your re-businesses. LOL...... I'm all BGS from here on out. thanks for the video.
Wow, how frustrating. I don't bother much with graded cards but if I ever did a submission and got back mostly 5's and 6's, I'd feel like quitting the hobby.
I think PSA does these crappy grades on purpose. None of these should be any lower than 7-8. When I see stuff like this it makes me never wanna submit. I see some people get 10s with minor damage
UA-cam is implanted in my brain. I was thinking of doing this with something else and THIS video pops up. I have 6 and going to buy more until the card is really sought after (it also has parallels). I have not said this out loud and I just thought of this project today. Creepy... But this is an iconic card and so will the one I'm betting on. This is a highly sought after RC, the start of Upper Deck and the boom of the hobby. Could sell in any grade plus commands more when Gem or Mint.
BGS with their BLACK LABEL (quad 10's) has put a ton of pressure on PSA to make a PSA 10 for new material extraordinarily difficult...... I thought PSA might buy out BGS in the future but the new material disparity makes things rather hairy......how does PSA not recognize the finer 4 qualities of a new card with the 4 aspect breakdown like BGS does? PSA would say they do evaluate all 4 aspects and that a PSA 10 would equate to a Black LAbel?? REally? PSA OWNS VINTAGE GRADING ...but BGS has surpassed them a bit in NEW STUFF. Future should be interesting.
Every one of them left there PSA HUSBAND INCLUDING THE OWNER. That’s really a true statement I know because I was F_c_ ing THEM ALL while they were grading those Ken. G.Jr. Trust me it was a blast big house with a lot of rooms lol yes it was PSA’s owners house not mine. So I would like to apologize to everybody that sent cards on that day if they would have graded them on the day shift they would have all been tens because there newly ex wife’s work the day shift and after that night they couldn’t have been in a better mood going to work the next day I mean shit you might have been the only one to get a graded card of a 20 after that night lol funny shit I agree with y’all what do they grade those cards off of and what kind of consistency does each grader have with the other graders surly they test them and see how close they grade compared to each other I mean shit you might have one guy that sees and graded way different so it’s not the card it’s the luck of the draw with witch grader you get and to me that’s not even the purpose it’s to truly grade the cards the same way the same spots to look at on every card then have them write down a brief description on why that card received the grade it did and log it in to there website so the owner can go back and compare the notes on each card and if you have a problem then allow them to send it back and have some people that have been in the card industry or have graded for many years like all the managers and if they agree with the original grader then those card keep that card if not they break the holder and regrade it right or notify the owner on how they want to handle it but we all know PSA owner want like that it’s more money and time and money out of his pockets and you know he is paying child support cause I’m telling you he does I’m with her when she cashed it lol I mean look all card guys want is a fair guideline graded card not the bullshit they do like this submission shit maybe I should start a card grading company I already know plenty of graders after that night gotch ya let’s keep the card world moving ahead
Personally I prefer SGC or BGS grading to PSA. It don't even have anything to do with the grading scale. If you notice PSA encapsulation the cards are not secure and rock within the encapsulation. I wish they would change that it because it can damage the cards from within (edges)
They are probably trying not to flood the market with a lot of good grades and in return you get screwed. On a side note I saw a gem mint 10 just sell for over a grand at an auction.
Bummer man but those are some really nice Griffey rc cards. Now u can learn from them so u will kinda know the system and grading standards! Awesome video!!!
I think it's a demand thing if they see somebody sending in a bunch of Ken Griffey jr. Rookie like that the last thing you're going to want to do is make him a bunch of tens cuz that would probably flood the market of what the tens our work out there he probably would have had a better chance on 10 sending one in at a time
it totally sucks that he got bad grades...but i'm not alone when you are selfish a little...and low key I'm happy you didn't get high grades...cause I own a psa 10 UD 89 Griffey RC...and I want that pop count to be low :)
Man that sucks. I have over 100 of these cards. I’m scared to send them in. I was told never send in more than 3 of any card that is iconic because there is a better chance to get a higher grade. I’ve decided to only use grading companies that break out the individual grades so at least I can learn what exactly hurt the cards grades.
You probably would have better off by buying a few tens already graded...what you paid for the cards...the cost of grading and shipping and what you can sell them for...ya, it was a lesson learned...hope you didn't spend your life savings here.
Rick Hoops hey - maybe before you make what seems like obviously idiotic and insensitive comments you should watch the video first. He said more than one time that he pulled all of these from packs. Not a single one was purchased as a raw card.
Love your surprising and disappointment reactions to the 5-6 grades. I'm sure PSA appreciate your donations.
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Good luck figuring out the difference between a 5 and a 10.
first mistake was sending all at one time, they just population controlled you.
Makes we want to start buying 5 and 6's, crack them and sell them in the shop for a profit. PSA is a JOKE!!!!!
PSA just reaches into a hat and randomly pulls out grades. It's an open secret.
That was brutal, I would try and re-submit those 6 and belows at different times and not all at once
Buddy, they FUCKED you plain and simple. To get PSA 5 and 6s like that is pathetic. I mean i have vintage cards with with dinged up corners, and edges that grade 6s and some higher. I don't get how those Griffeys would truly deserve what they gave them. I think sending all those in at once may been bad ideal. They arent going to allow to many 9s and 10s of this card. I do think and would bet you money that those low grades 5s and 6s would grade better if scattered out and resubmitted. Some of them may not but i truly believe many of them would grade much better if submitted again slowly. Good luck in the future.
The problem is that these new highly printed cards are all mint so they are super picky on these compared to 1952 topps which I collect. I only buy nicely centered 52 topps and you might not find 1 in 50. All of your cards graded have sharp corners and centered so everything is already mint. So they must be more strict.
Totally agree. No way those cards were that low in all actuality.
It shouldn't matter how many cards you send in, they should grade them correctly. I truly believe it's only going to hurt the hobby. I believe the hobby should stop worrying about getting rich off of cards and collect your favorite players like it used to be. It used to be fun
For a card to come back a 5 or 6 , it has to be in pretty bad shape . '89 Upper Deck should grade well if centered, the card stock is pretty good
Most of these are centered. Glad I didn't send anything to them
Not necessarily I have seen 5-6s look way nicer it's called pop control and they 100% control the grades if the emblem on the back is not perfectly centered it's a 7 automatic and then count off for centering you easily have a 6 possible 5 don't have to be much wrong to get a 5-6. Facts
If you can't tell by eye a 5 from a 10, what is the point?
If you can tell by eye a 5 from a 10, what is the point?
@@tgwhisp200 You can tell. These ratings seem BS. I've seen 5s and they have rounded corners, edge wear, and usually some defects. these are or should be at least 7-8+
@@PBMS123rounded corners? Ok
I thought the 6's looked like 9's.
Same. PSA being sued nice article about it.
that's because they were upside down. . .
If the hologram is partly missing they will sometimes kill the grade. 89UD cards are notorious for missing parts of the holograms.
Not just that but it’s the centering of it more often.
I’ve seen them missing part of the hologram and getting 9s from both PSA and Beckett. And none of this batch was centered too badly to get less than 8. Maybe even 9.
Have to commend you on your restraint. If that was me, the expletives would be flying!!!
I had watched a video on the griffey and the guy said that finding a grade 10 griffey was one of the hardest cards to find. He blew my mind when he said you can buy a griffey all day long for $15-$20., but a 10 grade griffey would bring thousands. I was thinking that's bs. Well watching what you just went through just proves him rught. Wow!!!! Glad you did this I've always wandered about it.
Need to change the channel name to mid grade cards. You got hosed buddy.
Retro_Fan ya that was brutal to watch. Got took to the woodshed on that submission
Agreed i felt bad for this dude smh them cards look great to man
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lol - dude spent a lot of money getting a bunch of 6's 0UCH
@BlueLine Racing They get us all the time!!
If you look at the PSA pop report of the 65,226 1989 UD Griffey's submitted only 4.79% came back a PSA 10. You sent in 51 Griffeys and with those odds you should have had 2.4 Griffey's graded a PSA 10...so technically only 2 should have come back PSA 10 from your submission. That's a bummer man, but the odds were going to be pretty low to being with.
It's May 2022 and PSA Pop Report says they have graded 87,880 examples, given out 4,018 Gem Mint grades for a rate of 4.57%, so PSA is getting tougher on this card over time.
@@vintagecardcurator have you done a video on this Griffey RC like your great Rickey Henderson vid? Just wondering if the same unknown is going on here. I loved your investigation of the Henderson card in relation to the other cards on the uncut sheet. Seems PSA doing the same thing here.
@@MateoB73 Yes, I have done an analysis of this card too. It's pop controlled by PSA too:
ua-cam.com/video/Wirna8ihUuA/v-deo.html
Not nearly as bad as the Henderson, but still bad. In fact, this video was the inspiration for me looking at the Rickey Henderson pop control.
@@vintagecardcurator thank you, I somehow missed it prior. Seems PSA is creating the market demand intentionally. If their grades are not objective then their grade shouldn’t be the market standard.
This vid went from awesome to depressing To comical...I send in all iconic cards like these regardless how they look....don't waste any money sending them back unless you have deep pockets and it's not an issue.
I've sent in 5 of these over the years and PSA 6 is my highest grade so far
The holograms are also part of the grade on these cards.....
After collecting cards for 20+ years I've noticed that the penny sleeves can damage the cards too. I've had times I just slide them in and the corner catch the plastic and cause minor damage that can be seen magnified. Now I crease one end to make sure it never catches. Plus there's a lot of things can't be seen without magnification.
exactly! I cut one corner (Left) off my penny sleeves, so that when the card goes in it won't catch. For eye appeal, the penny sleeves won't damage cards, but for grading and magnification, most cards have touched those sleeves going in and suffered very minor damage, which magnifies in the grading.
Cut the corner
@@DT_123absolutely works great when you cut the corner it really helps to put them in.
Send back ur 6s and 7s. Write down how many of each and compare it to the differences u get back. Then go on social media and crap on psa. Lol
I sent 29 '89 UD Griffeys in a bulk submission last year and had very similar results. (4) 9's, (16) 8's and the rest were right down from there. 7, 6, 5, 4 & 3. Even got a 3(MC).....lol. I did sell the 3(MC) for a premium on EBay though because a couple guys were big Mis Cut Colectors so I got about $23 for it. Good Luck and keep submitting.
They all looked like tens to me - sorry for the bad news!
What I learned is something I already knew.....buy them already graded and save lots of money.
Now, crack all out except the 10 (and maybe the 9s) and submit to SGC. Would be a FANTASTIC video! I predict you'd get MUCH higher grades from SGC, albeit Truly fair grades
Honestly I think you just pissed the graders off by sending in 50 of the same card. The same thing happened to me when I sent in 25 Michael Jordan rookie cards I got one PSA 10 four PSA sevens and the rest were PSA sixes. Then later down the road I took four of the PSA sixes out of the sleeves sent them back in then I got one PSA 10 back and three PSA nine’s back.
They all look the same to me.
Why don't you take a couple out of the case that are all the same value and send them back in. Just to see what they come back as
You know what you should do... You should take all of those sixes and crack them out of the case on camera... Never allowing the camera to go away from the cards... Once they've all been cracked and everything is still on camera with the camera rolling gently place each one of them into card savers... Place the card Savers into the box to send back to PSA... Keep the camera rolling the entire time... Put the submission in with the camera still rolling... Tape the box up keep the Box on camera... Drive to the post office all with the goddamn camera still rolling... Never allowing the box to leave site of the camera... And then drop the Box off at the post office. This might seem like a lot, but it can be done. You should be able to do the entire process less than an hour. With a full battery you should be able to keep the camera rolling the entire time. At this point you now have physical proof. Then when the Box comes back, break them all out of the box on camera as well. And then look and see what grades you get. At that point if there's any major differences, that's grounds for a lawsuit. On so many levels. Sports card investing is a huge business. There's absolutely no difference between grading companies destroying your investment, and pump and dumpers or short-sellers destroying an investment in a company through its stock. Yet we get lawsuits all the time because people brought down the value of a company with unethical means in the stock market... Yet this is essentially the same thing. Matter of fact, I wouldn't even mess with the nines or the 10... But it might be worth it to crack the Apes out of their case and resend them in. Why? Because maybe they come back at 9 or 10 and then you win. Or, maybe they come back at 6 AZ then you have grounds for a lawsuit. Either way, this needs to be brought the people's attention. Just looking at those cards there didn't seem to be any Rhyme or Reason. There's no chance most of those should have been graded a five or a six. Looking right at them. Seeing how sharp they looked and the centering Etc. There's zero chance that should have been graded a 5 or a 6. Not based off of normal criteria. Which leads me to believe that the comment about you being population control might have some Merit. And if PSA is manipulating the grading find things that are not based off of the actual condition of the card, it brings the entire operation into question.
@@tgwhisp200 Great minds think alike! I’ve been saying everything you said for the last 2 years, and people think I’m crazy! Population control, market control on eBay, creating false sense of worth through overinflated asking and selling prices! PSA is just a fanboy card grader at this point. There’s absolutely no rhyme or reason as to why they’re number one over BGS! For starters, I believe BGS has always graded cards much tougher, and their slabs make PSA’s look like cheap tinker toys. Beckett was who EVERYONE in the hobby looked toward for card pricing back in the day, so from that standpoint, I think they have the most merit in the grading business. PSA has been bought, and paid for by the Elite’s who are looking to protect their assets and investments, period! Nat Turner is an oiled up little weasel who’s in it for the money, not the passion of the hobby! He serves his pimp’s such as those weasel sellouts Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jack Dorsey just to name a few. They’re all one in the same, and probably circle jerk on Elon Musk once a week. This is why I’ll always prefer BGS over PSA.
Psa also dimes out orders that are stuffed with value. Like they'll never allow certain submissions with a bunch of high dollar cards of the same kind get 10's because they know it will hurt the population, which has an effect on their appeal. But theyll randomly pick a certain order and decide to give one person all 10's. Their basically a fucking casino...
Wow, makes sense but bad logic. Any honest company out there?
@@soundofthegardenwatc I’m late but BCCG has always been good in my opinion. They don’t have an amazing reputation but at least they don’t lie like the rest of the companys
Griffey will always be my all time favorite ball player.. that being said.. as sad as it is to say.. once he is long gone PSA 8-10s will be worth a lot in the future. Don’t be too disappointed.
2k for psa 10 in 2023
Guess you need to make bigger orders to PSA and then you might get some 10s, PSA is a racket!
Exactly!!!! Common knowledge in the industry
liverust5 very inconsistent it seems
After seeing your results I feel very lucky. I mainly deal in NASCAR, however, I broke two boxes of 89 UD and sent in the four griffey's and one johnson card. Came back 2 8's a 9 and a gem 10 for Jr. The one johnson was a 10. PSA can be quite cold indeed!
It was a little depressing I have to admit. Getting 5 PSA 10's out of 17 Johnson's and 1 PSA 10 out of 51 Griffey's kind of stinks. Especially since they came from the same case / box / pack! If you remember, usually the Griffey and the Johnson would be in the same packs in the low number cases at least. Thanks for the reply. I will check out your channel.
Never send that many of the same card to PSA, break the 5, 6 and 7's and send to Beckett..
Jerry Slivka is Beckett really better?
I sent my 89 Upper deck Griffey to Becket and got a 6.5. I think it is more objective by whoever is rating them. One guy may give you a 6 and another may give an 8. I’ve watched this video on my tv and I can’t tell why most of the cards got 6s. Maybe not tens, but they are much better than six.
break the 5s and 6s and sell them raw.......grading ain't cheap
I had a sweet hasek jersey that was so damaged that upperdeck exchanged it for like 400$ worth of other jerseys and auto cards as they couldn't replace it.. i got a sick Patrick Roy auto and 2 Gretzky jerseys and a bunch of other star player jerseys/auto.. i would have been happy with just the Roy auto. The rep said I wouldn't be disappointed. Cards do come right out of the Pack damaged. It's all machined inserted. Those 5 and 6 grades you should be able to see the damages. Probably a small scratch. Definitely use a powerful magnifying glass and a bright white light and you'll see alot more
I love this video. It’s great because you had so many cards so it’s super interesting to see the grading variations and yeah, it’s crazy those low grades. Maybe the five and sixes you resend maybe even to a different grading company.. This video tells me is I should never buy a Ken Griffey Junior card because there’s way too many of them out there. lol it’s a shame because I love this card. It’s a gorgeous card. I just don’t think they’re gonna hold their value overtime like a vintage card will
Cards get damaged in packs as well: print lines, creased edges corners, surface wrinkles. Fun to watch you really need to buy a jeweler's loupe and a blacklight or lamp for the next one.
Cool to see you here Eliteco3, I love your channel.
This makes me never want to submit a card for grading.
FYI; Upper Deck printed 100 card sheets of just the Ken Griffey Jr. 5,000 to a box was available to us at the Gibraltar Trade centers in Detroit. What a scam.
Netflix has a special called Jack, its about baseball cards, especially the overproduced Griffey Jr..
good insights into card collecting....I have so many "valuable" cards, that now I realize are not as valuable as I thought, I could not tell on that 5, why it could not have been an 8....check for small surface wrinkles in the shape of a sticker, those sticker inserts sometimes affected the card surface.....
I got the chance to watch this video months ago on my TV and I'm just coming around now to watch it again and subscribe to your channel. I was telling a lot of my collecting friends about this video and man I really feel for you with this submission. I recently packed pulled an 89 UD Griffey and it came back a PSA 8. In fact all my 89 UDs came back an 8. It's so hard to get a 9 or 10 grade on that set. I would actually crack some of the lower grade ones and submit them to Beckett to see what they get. A lot of them look pretty good. Again really sorry to see this sir.
Back when I was twelve or thirteen, I pulled four Griffeys from an 89 box of Donruss. These were the first cards I ever got graded. I saved my money, sent two of them off, and planned to how to spend my small fortune from selling them after them came back gem mint. To my untrained eye, these two cards were perfect. Right out of the pack. I even measured the centering. When they came back (from Beckett grading), I was so disappointed. I really was. A 5 and a 5.5. I was nearly in tears.
Those cards look good man. Dont be too hard on yourself
I'm going to use Beckett....that's for sure. Thanks for the heads up.
PSA screwed me on an order I just got back today. I pulled a Griffey recently and it was pristine. They gave me a 6. Every other modern card I sent was a 9 or a 10. If it was a 6 I wouldn't have sent it. I'm cracking it and sending to SGC.
That's why I like Beckett over PSA. They tell the grade for edge, corners, surface, and centering.
I didn’t know UA-cam allowed rape on here
That's got to be the most insane thing I have ever seen. There's no way you're ever recoup the money you spent having those cards graded.
I must have first seen this a few years ago, but I've referenced this video a handful of times when talking about what a crock grading is. 5's and 6's? Aren't 5's and 6's generally like 60's Hank Aaron cards with super fuzzy corners but at least not creased? I mean to my eyes watching the video, I don't know that any of these should have graded lower than an 8. Obviously we can't see every little flaw just from the video, but what's your take? Did the 5's and 6's have a dented corner or something?
Damn bro...im sorry this happened to you. Like someone said.. it looks like they are controlling the POP count but if I were you I'd still be stoked about those 9 and 10s! You def made your money back
Dude, I feel your pain. Sent so much in thinking 9+ and returns have been 8-
"It's a little off center on the back, but i don't think they care about that"
Look at it this way...now you've got slabbed Griffey jr. RCs you can give to all your nephews, cousins or what have you and a story to tell, especially after doing post grading research.
I would love just one, no matter the grade, one of the cards I still need to get for my pc since I got back into collecting.
This is tough to watch. At 5:55 he asks does someone hate me? Lol.
The sad part is that even a 9 is worth less than that card was worth in 1990.
I'm guessing there is some kind of surface damage
ahaha, from the this cards we got a histogram of the distribution of PSA estimates on the WAX cards. If you send fives and sixes again, some of them will be received at 8 and even 9.
awesome vid, we just received our 3 griffey jr 89 UD RC's.......we got 8, 9, and 10! opened and sleeved all of them just like you, all 3 openings of them are on my channel....
I stopped collecting years ago but that card was iconic for me, I never got to own it though. Speaking for myself, I would love to own a 6. Not for investment or anything, just to own. I was a 10 year old Mariners fan and Jr. was my hero, I just could never afford the card as a kid.
Sounds like you’re low key hinting for this guy to send you one of his cards for free.
Or I was just sharing a memory and making a blanket statement, and you see what you want to. Is that also a possibility? @@anonymousviewer4750
Makes me wonder if... when PSA gets a bulk lot.. they grade em SUPER PHUKN HARD as to not kill the honored 9 and 10 spots.... bro... they hosed you !! I would crack open 5 of the lowest grades and re-sub them independently... bet they come back graded higher !!!!
We just bought 2 more boxes and will be looking for more griffey Jr's to submit to PSA!!
I know this is an older video but this is disturbing. According to the current PSA population report, if my calculations are correct, PSA gives 10's to about 17% of overall submissions (32,979 10's out of 193,814 total submissions). Your submissions got 1.96% that came back a 10. PSA grades about 6% of the submissions sent in as 6's. You got about 41% that came back a 6. If you inspected these hoping to get 9's or 10's, you should have gotten back about 8 as 10's and only about 3-4 6's. This tells me the big guys and auction houses get the better grades. Little guys like me that only submit 20-30 cards a year will never get the consideration as large submitters. (I guess the bright side is that one 10 is worth about $2K so depending on the service level you covered your fees).
I have heard that the little round stickers that came in the packs, can damage the cards surface. If too much weight is put on the boxes/cases when being stacked, this can happen. It seems that's what happened with a lot of your Upper Deck Griffey cards. I was pulling for you man :)
Thanks for the info! I did see some micro scratches on some of them and didn't under stand how they got there. That makes sense. I appreciate the comment and I will not give up on 89 Upper Deck. Yet. :)
Enjoyed this video, thanks for for honest posting and reaction.
As an experiment I'd bust those 5 cards and resubmit. See if they come back different.
PSA gets really stingy and higher standards when it comes to grading mass-produced cards from the 80's and early to late 90's - including 89 Upper Deck which would be considered "rare" for that era but still...... A PSA 5 for a card produced in 1989 would be like PSA 8-9 for a card produced in 1965...
just solidified my case against PSA. You submitted 51 and they obviously want you to resubmit 50 of them. Their success is in your re-businesses. LOL...... I'm all BGS from here on out. thanks for the video.
Take Elitco's advice and invest in a jeweler's Loupe and a black light.
Jay McGillicuddy I just farted.
Try this one more time with a different player to really see but with 51cards is more than enough 🙈
Wow, how frustrating. I don't bother much with graded cards but if I ever did a submission and got back mostly 5's and 6's, I'd feel like quitting the hobby.
I think PSA does these crappy grades on purpose. None of these should be any lower than 7-8. When I see stuff like this it makes me never wanna submit. I see some people get 10s with minor damage
UA-cam is implanted in my brain. I was thinking of doing this with something else and THIS video pops up. I have 6 and going to buy more until the card is really sought after (it also has parallels). I have not said this out loud and I just thought of this project today. Creepy...
But this is an iconic card and so will the one I'm betting on. This is a highly sought after RC, the start of Upper Deck and the boom of the hobby. Could sell in any grade plus commands more when Gem or Mint.
BGS with their BLACK LABEL (quad 10's) has put a ton of pressure on PSA to make a PSA 10 for new material extraordinarily difficult...... I thought PSA might buy out BGS in the future but the new material disparity makes things rather hairy......how does PSA not recognize the finer 4 qualities of a new card with the 4 aspect breakdown like BGS does? PSA would say they do evaluate all 4 aspects and that a PSA 10 would equate to a Black LAbel?? REally? PSA OWNS VINTAGE GRADING ...but BGS has surpassed them a bit in NEW STUFF. Future should be interesting.
Resend all 6s and you probably get different responses. Plus they probably go under magnifying glass
Go BGS. That way you KNOW why the card got the grade
The PSA grader’s wife must’ve left him the night before he went into work that day. You got hosed..
Every one of them left there PSA HUSBAND INCLUDING THE OWNER. That’s really a true statement I know because I was F_c_ ing THEM ALL while they were grading those Ken. G.Jr. Trust me it was a blast big house with a lot of rooms lol yes it was PSA’s owners house not mine. So I would like to apologize to everybody that sent cards on that day if they would have graded them on the day shift they would have all been tens because there newly ex wife’s work the day shift and after that night they couldn’t have been in a better mood going to work the next day I mean shit you might have been the only one to get a graded card of a 20 after that night lol funny shit I agree with y’all what do they grade those cards off of and what kind of consistency does each grader have with the other graders surly they test them and see how close they grade compared to each other I mean shit you might have one guy that sees and graded way different so it’s not the card it’s the luck of the draw with witch grader you get and to me that’s not even the purpose it’s to truly grade the cards the same way the same spots to look at on every card then have them write down a brief description on why that card received the grade it did and log it in to there website so the owner can go back and compare the notes on each card and if you have a problem then allow them to send it back and have some people that have been in the card industry or have graded for many years like all the managers and if they agree with the original grader then those card keep that card if not they break the holder and regrade it right or notify the owner on how they want to handle it but we all know PSA owner want like that it’s more money and time and money out of his pockets and you know he is paying child support cause I’m telling you he does I’m with her when she cashed it lol I mean look all card guys want is a fair guideline graded card not the bullshit they do like this submission shit maybe I should start a card grading company I already know plenty of graders after that night gotch ya let’s keep the card world moving ahead
I would crack all the 5 and 6s, get then all regraded, and make a video exposing psa when they come back 8 9 and 10s
Personally I prefer SGC or BGS grading to PSA. It don't even have anything to do with the grading scale. If you notice PSA encapsulation the cards are not secure and rock within the encapsulation. I wish they would change that it because it can damage the cards from within (edges)
They are probably trying not to flood the market with a lot of good grades and in return you get screwed.
On a side note I saw a gem mint 10 just sell for over a grand at an auction.
PSA should be boycotted until they apply rationales to their grades. Most crooked grading service, and people just lap the shit up.
After getting 2 5 of this card this makes me feel better. Even the damn hologram on the back if its not perfectly square plummets it.
8:18 That’s what she said.
Crack the slab on everything under 10 (except the off-center ones) and resubmit.
pure bullshit! this was almost 3 years ago so I hope you cracked the 5's and 6's out and sent them back.
If the hologram circle was on top of the card it makes an indentation. Graded score plummets.
Bummer man but those are some really nice Griffey rc cards. Now u can learn from them so u will kinda know the system and grading standards! Awesome video!!!
What did we learn? Just buy a ten.
Exactly
Yup, just go on Ebay and buy a 10!!!
I think it's a demand thing if they see somebody sending in a bunch of Ken Griffey jr. Rookie like that the last thing you're going to want to do is make him a bunch of tens cuz that would probably flood the market of what the tens our work out there he probably would have had a better chance on 10 sending one in at a time
I didn't know they had these new cases 6 yrs ago.
it totally sucks that he got bad grades...but i'm not alone when you are selfish a little...and low key I'm happy you didn't get high grades...cause I own a psa 10 UD 89 Griffey RC...and I want that pop count to be low :)
@Top Grade Cards Dang you got a lot of 9’s !!!! Because Technically 6’s are upside down 9’s 😉😉
First 6 looks like there's a scratch on his face
So glad for the 10!!!!
About three years ago, I sent in a 1978 Dorsett & it came back a PSA 8. It looked worse than any of the PSA 5 or 6 you received.
that last 9 had half the foil diamond missing. you sent in so many they got tired of grading them.
Let’s get a go fund me for these 6’s and resend them and do another video and see how the grades change lol
I wish they would tell you why they graded it the way they did like Beckett.
way cheaper to just buy a 10
Man that sucks. I have over 100 of these cards. I’m scared to send them in. I was told never send in more than 3 of any card that is iconic because there is a better chance to get a higher grade. I’ve decided to only use grading companies that break out the individual grades so at least I can learn what exactly hurt the cards grades.
You probably would have better off by buying a few tens already graded...what you paid for the cards...the cost of grading and shipping and what you can sell them for...ya, it was a lesson learned...hope you didn't spend your life savings here.
Rick Hoops hey - maybe before you make what seems like obviously idiotic and insensitive comments you should watch the video first. He said more than one time that he pulled all of these from packs. Not a single one was purchased as a raw card.
It's really sad how dejected this guy gets as the video goes on. So bad he quit youtube.
First card you can see is missing the top part of the hologram