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@@anditv4688 "Yeah the Decline Verison is pretty much lost so it goes into 1 trick because if they don't accept your queen you're pretty much lost."-Hikura on the botez gambit.
Legendary Tier List 1st: Queens Gambit Part 3 30:28 Good for Everthing White and Queen: 2nd Evans Gambit Part 2 19:32 3rd Caro-kann Part Part 1 44:29 4th Grand Prix Part 2 32:16 5th Closed Sicilian Part 2 4:05 6th: Kings Indian Part 3 3:22 7th: Ruy Lopez Part 3 34:16 8th:Sicilian Defense Part 3 38:46 9th Vienna Gambit Part 3 48:05 10th Alapin SIclian Part 1 11:04
41:30: "Nakhmansson just loses by force." Hm.. he just saw it ten minutes ago and played losing moves to try and refute it, couldn't. And then Levy tried too, couldn't. I think Hikaru is bluffing because he wants the Nakhmansson all for himself.
Also, the supposed "refutation" goes on for many moves after the Kc6 idea, and if you don't play the precise line (which is still not totally understood), you just lose. Furthermore, if you do play the correct line, there are still loads of tricks that are insanely hard to refute all at once. Putting the Nakhmanson in the "tricks only" category is ridiculous. I think that, if you play it at the intermediate level, you will win most of your games if you are aware of most of the ideas. In my opinion, it should go right into the "legendary" bracket simply because it is almost impossible to refute entirely at sub-1800 level.
I don't know the variation myself, but to me, it seems. If you just play 6Nxc3 you are very safely better In a pretty standard position. So seems very fair to be a trick only
So the Kings Indian made the legendary tier for beginner, intermediate, and GM. I just started learning Chess (I always knew the rules etc, but before the other day I could not tell you the name of a single opening, and had never read even a paragraph about chess strategy or the process of learning to get better) and am looking for a few openings to start learning about in detail, and I think this made the list.
33:04 I just played a game with that opening, I never face someone opening with C5 + Nc5 so I didn't know what to do, anyway I tried to played my moves with most logic I could and I won in 20 moves with 99.6 accuracy. Nothing more beautiful can happen to me in chess right now. edit: I'm 900 player so he obviously didn't know what he was doing
Time changes everything and therefore reassessing is necessary -- from time to time. And what a great new way to explain and categorize them. Resisting false stories is needed too and the sonetimes ingrained even mistakes they created -- worked out over time. Thx for your diligence and hard work for us explaining these openings!
You interpreted the nakhmanson so wrong. There’s like 6 different lines after kf6, so if you want to refute the nakhmanson, you have to refute all of them.
I had about a 60% winrate with the King's Gambit while climbing from 1600-1700 on lichess, and positive lifetime winrate with it (50W-5D-45L) so it's definitely not a bad opening at that level. You'd be surprised how many people blunder immediately with something like f6 to defend the g5 pawn and just get mated. Even when your opponent knows the lines, if you are well prepared, the worst you get is a slightly worse position in a sharp double-sided position. Not to mention that the opening is a hell of a lot of fun and is basically unavoidable for e5 players. If you play the king's gambit, you can get it in 70%+ of your games with white
Had a game on lichess that got labelled as Latvian Gambit, where I (black) was never worse at any point in the opening. Puzzled, I went here to check if that opening is supposed to be good or what? The answer: We transposed to a "Latvian Gambit" from the Three Knights' Game. E4, e5, Nf3, Nc6, Nc3, f5. Sort of like a Vienna Gambit with the colours reversed. *THAT* version is apparently very solid and engine-approved.
It's confusing that the Sicilian is in legendary while the dragon and the Najdorf are in lower tiers. That begs the question: which variation of the Sicilian belongs in the legendary tier?
I am no chess expert nor sicilian expert, but I am pretty sure the reason Najdorf and Dragon is that Najdorf requires a lot of theory otherwise you are worst, it's quite sharp, so you have to be precise, now the dragon I believe is not as good because White can have a closed sicilian setup, and literally overrun you, basically if you dont know what you are doing, you are straight up worse, so, again not sure what Sicilian variation but the beginner/intermediate should start with the Taimanov and/or Kan Sicilian, they are passive but easier to play but then again, Sicilian is so big, you don't really have an answer, against any Sicilian you have first off, if they are going to play Closed Sicilian, Alapin, Grand Prix, Open Sicilian, or maybe some Gambit, and within those they have different variation, so there is so much you can expect, so I think the reason is legendary is because you get exposed to so many pawn structures, tactics, positional play that is healthy for your chess development. But if you are new to the sicilian definitely play they taimanov/kan
My favorite part is Hikaru called Kasparov someone whatever, absolutely top of legendary. Second favorite is that guys didn't know the stonewall riots, but made it bottom legit anyway.
Very instructive video thanks. But there were some holes like "Ok, if the Advanced French is just legit, then what is the best option to deal with the French for intermediate players?"
Colle zukertorte 😭 , just watched mamedov beat aryan Tari with hyper accelerated dragon , yeah I use your London system against kings Indian Levi with nc3 , qd2 , f3, g4 etc works like a charm
Daniel Naroditsky made a very good video how to deal with the Stafford, in case anyone is interested. it's a very tricky opening, but there are 2 or 3 lines that give white a safe advantage
leela actually sugests another line vs. Kf6 Nakhmanson, Jonathan schrantz have some videos where he matches leela up vs stockfish in the Kf6 line, and leela always wins.
Please explain. You're basically saying don't play the Italian unless you're going for Evans gambit? I don't see anyone playing it, but the main lines are quite popular which you seem to dislike. I personally think the Italian is very solid and development feels natural.
They didn't rank the open sicilian, or any of white's choices in those lines. I wonder how they'd rank it compared to the Anti-Sicilians on this list, and if they think intermediates should go down that rabbit hole or stick with the easier-to-learn Anti-Sicilians.
even at intermediate level the Breyer and Chigorin can feel a bit depressing. the advantage of the Marshall is that you often get anti Marshalls with easier play for black compared to Breyer and Chigorin. Nakamura is absolutly right imo. I think in the cozio or smyslov followed by the open spanish you get the most bang for your buck at the intermediate level but it is not to everyones taste. i also wanted to mention that you dont need to study the Marshall extensivly at this level because white players on this level dont book up in the Marshall. Booked up players play 6.d6 (Martinez variation) or an Anti-Marshall.
This video is very very good. However, this tier list lacks info for which side each opening is good or bad. If an opening is Legendary for white, it should be garbage for black, and vice versa. In this tier list, it is not clear at all for which side an opening is good. Only when listening to the commentary and knowing a bit about each opening and which move gives it the name, you know how to read the tier list.
Why is the dutch defense so low in this video when it was the top recommendation in the openings for black in response to d4 in the other GothamChess intermediate openings video?
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Can anyone recommend a counter to the Queen's Gambit? I've tried the Albin Countergambit but it often leads to very open, drawish positions. I guess they recommend the Slav. Any opinions? Slav or Queen's Gambit Declined?
Ikr i feel like for intermediates you should be playing something that will give you a lot to learn about. As a beginner its “keep it simple” but learning some theory is pretty fun too as you improve!
Marshall Gambit goes to maybe not Dislike it is then. Serious mode, you can tell Hikaru never had students and is not in touch with 2010-20 era under FM level play and gives terrible rankings because of that.
I have better question... How did portuguese gambit end up below scandi? Strict improvement being worse. Scandi is almost unplayable on club lvl while portuguese is totally fine cuz noone ever plays c5 lines as white at that elo and only those are issue with portuguese. It's almost like saying KG is better than Vienna gambit. Totally taken from ass like many others. Shame guys are doing those half-assed at best. I mean, couldn't they think for a couple seconds before assesment...
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Canal Attack is after Bd7, after Bb5 and any other move order is the Moscow
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I don't think I see any timestamps so...
0:04 King's Gambit
3:22 King's Indian Defence (KID)
4:20 Latvian Gambit
6:18 London System
7:43 Marshall Attack (Ruy Lopez/Spanish)
10:47 Nadjorf (Sicilian)
12:58 Nakhmanson Gambit
16:36 Nimzo Indian
17:45 Nimzo Larsen
18:43 Orangutan/Polish
21:38 Petrov's Defense
25:14 Phiidor Defense
26:12 Pirc Defense
28:05 Ponziani Opening
29:06 Portugese Gambit
30:28 Queen's Gambit
31:23 Reti Opening
32:27 Rossolimo
34:16 Ruy Lopez
35:40 Scandinavian
37:45 Scotch
38:46 Sicilian Defense
39:11 Slav
40:30 Smith Morra Gambit
42:15: Sodium Attack
43:10 Stonewall
45:17 Tromposky Attack
48:05 Vienna Gambit
50:12 Advanced French
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Thank you
@@kappablanca5192 He wears armor.
You are Legendary bro 😎
I love you
They put the Queen's Gambit at #1 but I always lose when I gambit my queen :(
Same, I agree bro
Then you are playing the Botez Gambit and not the Queen's Gambit :)
sadge :D Try gambitting the c-pawn on move 2 next time instead of your queen ;;))
@@anditv4688 "Yeah the Decline Verison is pretty much lost so it goes into 1 trick because if they don't accept your queen you're pretty much lost."-Hikura on the botez gambit.
lol
*_= OPENING TIMESTAMPS FOR 1200s-1800s (PART 3: THE END) =_*
*+ Legendary Openings +*
30:28 - (White, d4) Queen's Gambit
- (White, Giuco Piano Game) Evan's Gambit
- (Black, against e4) Caro-Kann Defence
- (White, against the Sicilian) Grand Prix Attack
- (White) Closed Sicilian
3:22 - (Black, against d4) King's Indian Defence [KID]
34:16 - (White) Ruy López [Spanish Game/Opening]
38:46 - (Black, e4, c6) Sicilian Defense
48:05 - (White, e4, e5, Nc3) Vienna Gambit
- (White) Alapin Sicillian
*+ Solid Openings +*
37:45 - (White, e4, e5) The Scotch Game
6:18 - (White, d4 & Bf4 against "anything") London System
16:36 - (Black, against d4) Nimzo-Indian Defense
40:30 - (White, against the Sicilian) Smith-Morra Gambit
17:45 - (White, b3) Nimzo-Larsen Attack
28:05 - (White, e4, e5) Ponziani Opening
- (Black, against e4) Sicilian Defense: Accelerated Dragon
- (Black against the Queen's Gambit) Chigorin Defense
31:23 - (White, Nf3) Reti Opening
21:38 - (White, e4, e5) Petrov's Defense
32:27 - (White, against the Sicilian) Rossolimo
45:17 - (White, d4, Bg6) Trompowsky Attack
*+ Legit Openings +*
- (White, e4, e5) Danish Gambit
- (White, d4) Catalan Game
- (Black, against d4) Two Knights Tango
- (White, against the Sicillian) Marshall Attack
- (Black, against the Queen's Gambit) Albin-Counter Gambit
50:12 - (White, e4) Advanced French
26:12 - (Black, against e4) Pirc Defense
- (Black, against e4/maybe anything) The Black Lion "Setup"
- (Black, against the Queen's Gambit) Slav Defense
- (Black, against e4) French Defense
- (Black, against d4) Dutch Defense
43:10 - (White) Stonewall
- (White, against the Caro-Kann) Hillbilly Attack
10:47 - (Black, against e4) Sicllian Defense: Nadjorf
Hikaru's twitch chat spamming PogO every time Hikaru talks something good about himself 😂
“Ancient sub battle. Just go to the zoo and play an orangutan” 😂😂😂
8:48 "1400 25-year old and you want to pick up an opening" ...
Wow that hit a bit too close.
What's your rating now?
@@wicked5999 slightly above 1500, but tbh I haven't played for the last half a year.
Legendary Tier List
1st: Queens Gambit Part 3 30:28 Good for Everthing White and Queen:
2nd Evans Gambit Part 2 19:32
3rd Caro-kann Part Part 1 44:29
4th Grand Prix Part 2 32:16
5th Closed Sicilian Part 2 4:05
6th: Kings Indian Part 3 3:22
7th: Ruy Lopez Part 3 34:16
8th:Sicilian Defense Part 3 38:46
9th Vienna Gambit Part 3 48:05
10th Alapin SIclian Part 1 11:04
41:30: "Nakhmansson just loses by force." Hm.. he just saw it ten minutes ago and played losing moves to try and refute it, couldn't. And then Levy tried too, couldn't. I think Hikaru is bluffing because he wants the Nakhmansson all for himself.
Also, the supposed "refutation" goes on for many moves after the Kc6 idea, and if you don't play the precise line (which is still not totally understood), you just lose. Furthermore, if you do play the correct line, there are still loads of tricks that are insanely hard to refute all at once.
Putting the Nakhmanson in the "tricks only" category is ridiculous. I think that, if you play it at the intermediate level, you will win most of your games if you are aware of most of the ideas. In my opinion, it should go right into the "legendary" bracket simply because it is almost impossible to refute entirely at sub-1800 level.
I don't know the variation myself, but to me, it seems. If you just play 6Nxc3 you are very safely better In a pretty standard position. So seems very fair to be a trick only
@@tiagomoraes1510 refuted at the top level, doesn't mean it's bad for intermediates but u wont see a gm play it i a big tourney.
The computer going nuts during the Nakhmanson was actually hilarious
give ur thumbnail dude a bonus already
ChessGeek how do u know he has/hasn’t got a raise yet
Long awaited ending of this great series!
We need more 😔
So the Kings Indian made the legendary tier for beginner, intermediate, and GM. I just started learning Chess (I always knew the rules etc, but before the other day I could not tell you the name of a single opening, and had never read even a paragraph about chess strategy or the process of learning to get better) and am looking for a few openings to start learning about in detail, and I think this made the list.
33:04 I just played a game with that opening, I never face someone opening with C5 + Nc5 so I didn't know what to do, anyway I tried to played my moves with most logic I could and I won in 20 moves with 99.6 accuracy.
Nothing more beautiful can happen to me in chess right now.
edit: I'm 900 player so he obviously didn't know what he was doing
Time changes everything and therefore reassessing is necessary -- from time to time.
And what a great new way to explain and categorize them.
Resisting false stories is needed too and the sonetimes ingrained even mistakes they created -- worked out over time.
Thx for your diligence and hard work for us explaining these openings!
You interpreted the nakhmanson so wrong. There’s like 6 different lines after kf6, so if you want to refute the nakhmanson, you have to refute all of them.
I had about a 60% winrate with the King's Gambit while climbing from 1600-1700 on lichess, and positive lifetime winrate with it (50W-5D-45L) so it's definitely not a bad opening at that level. You'd be surprised how many people blunder immediately with something like f6 to defend the g5 pawn and just get mated. Even when your opponent knows the lines, if you are well prepared, the worst you get is a slightly worse position in a sharp double-sided position. Not to mention that the opening is a hell of a lot of fun and is basically unavoidable for e5 players. If you play the king's gambit, you can get it in 70%+ of your games with white
Had a game on lichess that got labelled as Latvian Gambit, where I (black) was never worse at any point in the opening. Puzzled, I went here to check if that opening is supposed to be good or what? The answer: We transposed to a "Latvian Gambit" from the Three Knights' Game. E4, e5, Nf3, Nc6, Nc3, f5. Sort of like a Vienna Gambit with the colours reversed. *THAT* version is apparently very solid and engine-approved.
It's confusing that the Sicilian is in legendary while the dragon and the Najdorf are in lower tiers. That begs the question: which variation of the Sicilian belongs in the legendary tier?
Good question, need answer!
I am no chess expert nor sicilian expert, but I am pretty sure the reason Najdorf and Dragon is that Najdorf requires a lot of theory otherwise you are worst, it's quite sharp, so you have to be precise, now the dragon I believe is not as good because White can have a closed sicilian setup, and literally overrun you, basically if you dont know what you are doing, you are straight up worse, so, again not sure what Sicilian variation but the beginner/intermediate should start with the Taimanov and/or Kan Sicilian, they are passive but easier to play but then again, Sicilian is so big, you don't really have an answer, against any Sicilian you have first off, if they are going to play Closed Sicilian, Alapin, Grand Prix, Open Sicilian, or maybe some Gambit, and within those they have different variation, so there is so much you can expect, so I think the reason is legendary is because you get exposed to so many pawn structures, tactics, positional play that is healthy for your chess development. But if you are new to the sicilian definitely play they taimanov/kan
Kan
R.I.P every Polish opening player
yeah why didnt he tier it ?
@@michakrupa5963 it seems that Orangutan = Polish
"if you're 1400 as a 25 year old"... wow that's exactly me and i feel wrecked right now
why did you feel wrecked by that?
yo you're 28 now are you 1450 at least
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Nakhmanson gambit is tricks only, but it did beat Carlsen.
Also stock fish
Europe: It's 7am man, go yo sleep for godness' sake.
Hikaru: Would you fancy another video? 😏
Don't care. No reason to brag about being unhealthy.
My favorite part is Hikaru called Kasparov someone whatever, absolutely top of legendary. Second favorite is that guys didn't know the stonewall riots, but made it bottom legit anyway.
sodium attack's my main. i seem to get more wins than with other ones.
Very instructive video thanks. But there were some holes like "Ok, if the Advanced French is just legit, then what is the best option to deal with the French for intermediate players?"
Colle zukertorte 😭 , just watched mamedov beat aryan Tari with hyper accelerated dragon , yeah I use your London system against kings Indian Levi with nc3 , qd2 , f3, g4 etc works like a charm
Never-ending awesome content from Hikaru!
I won a whole school tournament with the polish.
the way he pronounced portuguese wrong both on this tier list and the beginner tier list is incredible LOL
Yo i love your content Hikaru keep the good work up
I'm 2 years late, but I really hope Hikaru knows the difference between a deviled egg and a scotch egg now.
The Nakhmanson Gambit is freaking aggressive and awesome!!!!!!!
Halosar Trap from the Blackmar Diemer Gambit contains a legit Botez gambit and a queen rook fork.
Well for both beginners and intermediates, which I'm sort of in between, I only know legendary openings. So I guess that's good
Yeah I'd say even watching these is good because they build your memory of what the opponent can play
Daniel Naroditsky made a very good video how to deal with the Stafford, in case anyone is interested. it's a very tricky opening, but there are 2 or 3 lines that give white a safe advantage
Thumbnail guy really needs a raise man
magnus lost to the nakhmanson in a bullet match
thus legendary opening
Anything works in bullet
I'm probably just unable to read the names well enough, but where's the Max Lange?
Oh no I feared the end for a long time
Lol
Have you guys ever made a Tier List for end games from Essential to Esoteric?
8:04
If you just go 1…c6 after 1.e4 you’ll never even play against the Ruy Lopez.
I was thinking that the Anderssen opening is like a reverse Najdorf with the free e pawn break
leela actually sugests another line vs. Kf6 Nakhmanson, Jonathan schrantz have some videos where he matches leela up vs stockfish in the Kf6 line, and leela always wins.
How about doing an opening tier list for 2000-2300?
Someone needs to tell americans that not all slavs are russian, slavs are basicly half of europe
The "Orangutan",pawn B4, opening was introduced/used by player/and author of several chess-books, Alexey Pavlovich Sokolsky
These guys don’t get that -0.5 position with equal material means *NOTHING* at this level. Nothing.
The qeens gambit should have gotten a picture of Alexandra Botez
What score is considered intermediate vs beginner? intermediate 1000-1500 range?
Orangutan with a chess piece 😂🤣😂 I'm dying...😂
Where is Emil Joseph Diemer gambit where he pushes only pawns? That one deserved it's own opening/gambit spot
Orangutan is an awesome opening, magnus can beat you with it.
Trompowsky sounds like Trump's signature move if he was a WWE wrestler
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Me: let's write a comment
And of course the Jobava London goes in Nxc7! Tier.
1 min 1 sec on my fav opening SMH, but it got put in high legit so I don’t mind
too early for timestamps... i guess ill have to manually find each opening
Please explain. You're basically saying don't play the Italian unless you're going for Evans gambit? I don't see anyone playing it, but the main lines are quite popular which you seem to dislike. I personally think the Italian is very solid and development feels natural.
Wow.. grunfeld and Berlin below Jerome!!!
love this series
Orangutan 🦧 is my favorite high opening
They didn't rank the open sicilian, or any of white's choices in those lines. I wonder how they'd rank it compared to the Anti-Sicilians on this list, and if they think intermediates should go down that rabbit hole or stick with the easier-to-learn Anti-Sicilians.
They always rate the Caro-Kann so much higher than the French, and yet the French is more popular at EVERY level.
Nobody:
Literally nobody:
Chat:DEVILED EGGS ARE DIFFERENT
Grand Prix is legendary but nimzo is solid let that sink in
I'm a 25 yr old playing the Marshall and Levy just burned me....
Nakhmanson is unbreakanble for me because when they play nxc6 and we trade, they always take the pawn after and then its just winning after rook e1
I guese Hikaru is very anti sicilian since basically every anti sicilian is legendary
even at intermediate level the Breyer and Chigorin can feel a bit depressing. the advantage of the Marshall is that you often get anti Marshalls with easier play for black compared to Breyer and Chigorin. Nakamura is absolutly right imo. I think in the cozio or smyslov followed by the open spanish you get the most bang for your buck at the intermediate level but it is not to everyones taste. i also wanted to mention that you dont need to study the Marshall extensivly at this level because white players on this level dont book up in the Marshall. Booked up players play 6.d6 (Martinez variation) or an Anti-Marshall.
When all my openings are between garbage and maybe not
Pizza is from Naples, not Sicily.
How is the London not legendary??
we need a Levy vs John - Scandi only match
This video is very very good. However, this tier list lacks info for which side each opening is good or bad. If an opening is Legendary for white, it should be garbage for black, and vice versa. In this tier list, it is not clear at all for which side an opening is good. Only when listening to the commentary and knowing a bit about each opening and which move gives it the name, you know how to read the tier list.
learned latvian gambit from hikaru and rly like it, now to hear from him its garbage hurts
I don't understand, Nakamura considers Queen's Gambit as a black opening??
Where’s the Smith-Morra Gambit, Ben Finegold defense variation?
Russians and Italians you can make fun of and nobody cares, Levy
Can we get a checkmates/tactics tier list?
Good idea
Does naka understand that there is no "g" on the end of orangutan?
Why is the dutch defense so low in this video when it was the top recommendation in the openings for black in response to d4 in the other GothamChess intermediate openings video?
you skipped the gaga gambit
Why is Kasparov behind the Accelerated Dragon?
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@@quelqunx7470 and analysis
Hope you learned more about the Stonewall Riot.
OMG I lost it on Levi's sub battle roast xD
Why isnt wayward Queen on the opening list?
because only losers play that opening
Hikaru calling Kasparov this guy's jutst kinda weird kinda triggered me
39:25 Yes, you can make fun of Russians.
FIDE literally removed their flag from all their tournaments.
Can anyone recommend a counter to the Queen's Gambit? I've tried the Albin Countergambit but it often leads to very open, drawish positions. I guess they recommend the Slav. Any opinions? Slav or Queen's Gambit Declined?
semi slav
the fact that at intermediate berlin is garbage but at master its suddenly top tier is so amusing to me
Ikr i feel like for intermediates you should be playing something that will give you a lot to learn about. As a beginner its “keep it simple” but learning some theory is pretty fun too as you improve!
41:49 double SO
Is there a Sicilian that is particularly good to play at intermediate level?
I'm a beginner and I've been using the Queen's gambit :)))))
Well, it's an easy and solid opening.
Marshall Gambit goes to maybe not
Dislike it is then.
Serious mode, you can tell Hikaru never had students and is not in touch with 2010-20 era under FM level play and gives terrible rankings because of that.
Why is gruenfield at garbage??
How did the Ponziani end up in Solid while the Grunfeld is languishing in Garbage?
I have better question... How did portuguese gambit end up below scandi? Strict improvement being worse. Scandi is almost unplayable on club lvl while portuguese is totally fine cuz noone ever plays c5 lines as white at that elo and only those are issue with portuguese. It's almost like saying KG is better than Vienna gambit.
Totally taken from ass like many others. Shame guys are doing those half-assed at best. I mean, couldn't they think for a couple seconds before assesment...
22:48 Uh uh Levy. Don't think you fooled us. You missed Nf3 and played f4 instead, at first. Nice try
Why there is no more tittled tuesday? It's my favorite content in his youtube channel