Thanks for pointing this out. I could swar in the past, the Bonus Chance was not calculated in the number already, but I might be wrong there. Anyway it does not really change the message of this video, so I leave it on there.
Well, fuck. I presumed I knew everything about poison imbuement and completely dismissed this as an interaction at first. So I did a 10 minute test with pestilent points with puncture and conducted it the same way you did and got almost identical results; spam refreshing being roughly 2 times the proc rate. I admit defeat and I bow down to you for figuring this out. Well done!
@@Avarilyn hard to tell didn’t test it yet, but it should work for all lucky hit effects. problem is testing it is not easy because the aoplicator spell for firebolt enchant will have do much more lucky hit than the enchant itself
@GoldfarmingGuide I've done a lot more testing now and it is more complicated than either of us thought. I can share the data if you're interested, I have like 22800 data points now to base thus off of now
It appears under the hood theres a maximum number of firebolt applications or some sort of diminishing returns. My best experience was meteor with meteorites aspect ( which assumes the same lucky hit chance) with firebolt and meteor enchant and got 20+ procs in 60 seconds consistantly.
One thing I did notice here which is very helpful, I never thought about doing this. Was to see how BAD the lHC is. It is not functioning properly. So per tick, the firewall damage should be pricing the xfal 25% of the time. (49% lhc * 50% chance on lucky hit = ~24.5% of the time)... So at LEAST, every 5 ticks, you should see 1 proc, and that is not happening, not even close.
you're not correct. The lucky hit chance is calculated over the entire duration. So if you skill has 50% lucky hit over 6 seconds duration, the chance is 50% to get one lucky hit over the full duration not per tick.
@@GoldfarmingGuide Nope, I tested it and it doesn't work either of the ways we are mentioning lol. (I tested last night after commenting so this is new info).We are both wrong. The entire duration of a firewall there are 18 ticks of damage. Each has it's own LHC based on the total LHC for the skill. This is how I tested it. I did one FW at a time on the dummy and once in a while, the xfal procs twice with the same firewall... The ONLY way that is possible is if each tick has its own lhc. at 50% lhc for the skill each tick has about a 2.75% LHC... Garbage. I tested in by doing 5 fw one after the other., not stacked. For every 5 fw's casted, I got 1 to 2 xfal procs at about 2.75% per tick. Test it out and let me know. I can post a vid as well.
@@HawkTuahD4 thats exactly what im saying :D the lucky hit chance is distributed over the entire duration. Of course it can proc multiple times of one spell. Thats also exactly how i say it in the video. 50% lucky hit / 10 seconds is basically 5% lucky hit per second or 2.5% lucky hit per tick. Stacking multiple ones will add up so if you stack 10 firewalls you basically have 25% per tick even though the ticks get combined to one big tick, they still inherit the original spells LH. There is one exception to this which seems to be firebolt enchant. It definetly has some kind of a cap, or diminishing returns. if you apply one firebolt enchant it procs way less than if you spam a skill.
@@GoldfarmingGuide I found that it's per tick not seconds. Over the 8 seconds of FW, there are 18 damage splashes. 50%/ 18 damage ticks = 2.77% LHC per damage tick. The reason I say this is garbage is because in PvP and in most of PvE, nothing is just going to stand in your firewall for 18 ticks... MAYBE a few ticks + 3 seconds after they leave the firewall which is another 6.7 ticks over 3 seconds. So 2.77% LHC per tick is atrocious.... :( Base LHC for fw needs a HUGE boost.
@@GoldfarmingGuide Close, it goes per tick. Firewall hits 2.25 times per second over 8 seconds that's 18 damage ticks. Each hit is 2.77% LHC if the FW LHC is 50%. Got it, now here's the thing, I say this is garbage because no one in PVP or PVE sits in your firewall for the entire duration lol... So at best you will get 1 to 3 ticks + the extra 3 seconds which is another 6.75 ticks. So figure about 9 ticks of damage per firewall at 2.77% LHC per tick... Thats atrocious. FW needs a serious LHC boost.
Also to add to this video the damage of the dot is what x'fals damage type will be which means is if you have a specific element that has a high damage multiplier for that type of damage this will increase the damage of x'fals including crit chance, crit damage , damage to vulnerableig enemies are vulnerable when it procs, overpower damage yes x'fals can overpower if you have overpower chance etc etc . I have a physical damage Barb with bleed and my multipliers for those damage types are high do when x'fals procs it's doing 1m-15m crit damage and overpower damage. I am pushing these multipliers to make X'fals one shot end bosses. It's hilarious the x'fals procs currently are procing twice and it's enough to kill the end bosses duriel still takes about 5-8 procs to kill him so I need to find more sources to make my physical damage multiplier higher. Your welcome fellow players.
So right out of the gate, this is wrong. The LHC you are seeing in the skill tree is already factoring in all the ACTIVE LHC bonus. 30% (base lhc for fw) + 62% = 48.6% LHC (Which is the 49% you are seeing on the skill). Your calculation is way off. Then these numbers change slightly if you use conditional lhc boosts such as "25% when barrier active" etc. UPDATE: I noticed other players already pointed this out.
the tooltips havent been like this from the beginning, this video is fairly old and it has been changed since then. But anyway, it doesnt change anything about the message of this video :D
Thanks for the work put into this.... only seeing this now like 9 months late 😅. Only question I have, is the lucky chance on the firebolt enchant based off the spell you are casting, or based off firebolts LHC?
But the most important part. What exactly scales the damage on x'fal's? What tags/types/stuff comes along? It states "Same type". Is it only element? Is it also the type of damage down to "macabre" "damage over time" "shadow damage over time"? How much typing is brought along? I know it can crit. I havnt seen overpower.
its just scaled by all modifiers just like any other damage. damage to close/distant/crit/vuln/elemental/etc. it’s not scaled by damage over time its direct damage
Ty for your guides. Really like ur content. Any build idea for an real elemental sorcerer using all elemental sources (fire, ice, lightning) + using the aspect of elements?
Hey, Tanks! You can 100% Disregard Aspect of the Elements. It is only a 30% Additive Damage which literally makes this the worst aspect in the Entire game pretty much. Jus to be clear, this basically means the same then "+30% Non-Physical Damage" which gives you about 1% damage increase in total. Other asspects have 30%[x] (Multiplicative) which are literally about 30 times stronger then the Aspect of the Elements
@@GoldfarmingGuideThey changed aspect of elements to be multiplicative in last patch, I checked one I had in stash and they even changed wording on it, mine says 29x. So now it seems pretty strong to me since it requires no other conditions to be met (CC, barrier, etc) even though 7 seconds on/off isn't ideal I would still use it over something like Control since the damage bonus on Elements works on bosses and all other content unlike Control.
@@tasandmnm69 Oh I did not get that. Well that kind of makes it usable, but still I think its not great. 30% half of the time basically equals to 15%. I think using storm swell and conceited is still much better and in this build I don't have another slot I guess.
@@GoldfarmingGuide I agree that Storm Swell is better overall since we almost always will have barrier/vuln up but Control is only better when mobbing IMO since we can't CC bosses so even average Elements to 15% it is better overall. But to me using Elementalist (+40% crit chance) and Edgemasters is better since we can get a large percentage of our casts over 100 mana (casting over 50 mana also gives us bonus damage from a talent). I tend to like skills/aspects that are going to be up as close to 100% of the time as possible and not be wasted when I do certain content which I feel Control is wasted on bosses even though it is a little better to speed through an NMD where you can CC everything since it is a higher damage %.
@@tasandmnm69 I would agree, I am not using control anymore unless im Running frostburns, because those will stagger so fast, that control is worth it. Other than that, I pretty much always just use Storm Swell and Conceited and no other damage aspects. Elementalists is nice if the build can fuel it, but atleast in my opinion after watching my builds closely, I am probably above 100% ~ 70% of the time. But Its personal preference. I just feel like im good with my 2 core "100% Uptime" damage aspects. Maybe with upcoming patches there will be the need to add more dps, but currently I dont see the need to over dps stuff.
Can xfals proc multiple times on a single cast of a dot spell? or can it only happen once per cast? for example, if i cast blizzard and get lucky on the first tick of blizzard to proc xfals, can that blizzard continue procing xfals?
Yes it can. But keep in mind the proc chance on x'fals from blizzard is extremely low (~0.2 procs over the entire blizzard durationm), so this question seems to be very irrelevant.
Thanks for your Videos, nice work. Got a question, maybe u can help me. Which damage type has X Fals, if its proc for example from mage with firebolt enchant, its fire? so if iam right, would be fire damage or non physical damage raise the damage of X Fals procs? So this need to know, if i go for example Blizzrad with Firebolt enchat and Xfals, i need to max out Fire instead of Cold. Iam i right? Thanks for your time
Hey, X'Fals damage type is always the sources damage type. So if you use blizzard, It will proc 2 different procs, one being Fire (which will be the more frequent one) and one being Cold. You can also check on the training dummy you will see 2 different explosions, one fire explosion one ice. Besides that, yes it gets buffed by non-physical, damage to close/distant/vuln/crit, etc.
@@GoldfarmingGuide still 3% per application of the dot. Which it reapplies/stacks a ton. All though thats still nothing. And we dont know dot stack caps / stack caps for unique dots and such
I have not played d4 in some time now is incinerate still broken and only count as 1 hit or is each tick now counted as a hit, and do this ring work with it?
This is the formula: Lucy Hit Chance of Skill x (1+SUM( lucky hit chance bonus)) x Proc Chance of Lucky Hit Effect TL;DR The formula goes into effect only if it rolls as a Lucky Hit. So the higher your Lucky Hit Chance Bonus is, the better.
nice, but the 49% firewall lucky hit is already including your 62% lucky hit bonus. firewall has a base lucky hit of 30%
Thanks for pointing this out. I could swar in the past, the Bonus Chance was not calculated in the number already, but I might be wrong there. Anyway it does not really change the message of this video, so I leave it on there.
This is correct I came to comment the same thing. You can add or remove lucky hit items and look at your tooltips update in realtime
@@graog123 Yeah well, everyday learn something new guess is a good thing :D
@@GoldfarmingGuidethis has allways been the case the lkh Is allways shown
Well, fuck. I presumed I knew everything about poison imbuement and completely dismissed this as an interaction at first. So I did a 10 minute test with pestilent points with puncture and conducted it the same way you did and got almost identical results; spam refreshing being roughly 2 times the proc rate. I admit defeat and I bow down to you for figuring this out. Well done!
you’re welcome 😅
@@GoldfarmingGuide have you seen the same interaction for other LHC effects or is this something that could be with x'fal?
@@Avarilyn hard to tell didn’t test it yet, but it should work for all lucky hit effects. problem is testing it is not easy because the aoplicator spell for firebolt enchant will have do much more lucky hit than the enchant itself
@GoldfarmingGuide I've done a lot more testing now and it is more complicated than either of us thought. I can share the data if you're interested, I have like 22800 data points now to base thus off of now
@@Avarilyn sure I would be interested!
So useful and helpful. Thanks for running through the tests
You're Welcome!
It appears under the hood theres a maximum number of firebolt applications or some sort of diminishing returns. My best experience was meteor with meteorites aspect ( which assumes the same lucky hit chance) with firebolt and meteor enchant and got 20+ procs in 60 seconds consistantly.
yeah there is definetly some hidden caps in these. I guess well never find out which they are.
Sehr gut erklärt.
Bitte mehr von solchen Videos. ❤
You're Welcome!
One thing I did notice here which is very helpful, I never thought about doing this. Was to see how BAD the lHC is. It is not functioning properly. So per tick, the firewall damage should be pricing the xfal 25% of the time. (49% lhc * 50% chance on lucky hit = ~24.5% of the time)... So at LEAST, every 5 ticks, you should see 1 proc, and that is not happening, not even close.
you're not correct. The lucky hit chance is calculated over the entire duration.
So if you skill has 50% lucky hit over 6 seconds duration, the chance is 50% to get one lucky hit over the full duration not per tick.
@@GoldfarmingGuide Nope, I tested it and it doesn't work either of the ways we are mentioning lol. (I tested last night after commenting so this is new info).We are both wrong. The entire duration of a firewall there are 18 ticks of damage. Each has it's own LHC based on the total LHC for the skill. This is how I tested it. I did one FW at a time on the dummy and once in a while, the xfal procs twice with the same firewall... The ONLY way that is possible is if each tick has its own lhc. at 50% lhc for the skill each tick has about a 2.75% LHC... Garbage. I tested in by doing 5 fw one after the other., not stacked. For every 5 fw's casted, I got 1 to 2 xfal procs at about 2.75% per tick. Test it out and let me know. I can post a vid as well.
@@HawkTuahD4 thats exactly what im saying :D the lucky hit chance is distributed over the entire duration. Of course it can proc multiple times of one spell. Thats also exactly how i say it in the video.
50% lucky hit / 10 seconds is basically 5% lucky hit per second or 2.5% lucky hit per tick.
Stacking multiple ones will add up so if you stack 10 firewalls you basically have 25% per tick even though the ticks get combined to one big tick, they still inherit the original spells LH.
There is one exception to this which seems to be firebolt enchant. It definetly has some kind of a cap, or diminishing returns.
if you apply one firebolt enchant it procs way less than if you spam a skill.
@@GoldfarmingGuide I found that it's per tick not seconds. Over the 8 seconds of FW, there are 18 damage splashes. 50%/ 18 damage ticks = 2.77% LHC per damage tick. The reason I say this is garbage is because in PvP and in most of PvE, nothing is just going to stand in your firewall for 18 ticks... MAYBE a few ticks + 3 seconds after they leave the firewall which is another 6.7 ticks over 3 seconds. So 2.77% LHC per tick is atrocious.... :( Base LHC for fw needs a HUGE boost.
@@GoldfarmingGuide Close, it goes per tick. Firewall hits 2.25 times per second over 8 seconds that's 18 damage ticks. Each hit is 2.77% LHC if the FW LHC is 50%. Got it, now here's the thing, I say this is garbage because no one in PVP or PVE sits in your firewall for the entire duration lol... So at best you will get 1 to 3 ticks + the extra 3 seconds which is another 6.75 ticks. So figure about 9 ticks of damage per firewall at 2.77% LHC per tick... Thats atrocious. FW needs a serious LHC boost.
Also to add to this video the damage of the dot is what x'fals damage type will be which means is if you have a specific element that has a high damage multiplier for that type of damage this will increase the damage of x'fals including crit chance, crit damage , damage to vulnerableig enemies are vulnerable when it procs, overpower damage yes x'fals can overpower if you have overpower chance etc etc . I have a physical damage Barb with bleed and my multipliers for those damage types are high do when x'fals procs it's doing 1m-15m crit damage and overpower damage. I am pushing these multipliers to make X'fals one shot end bosses. It's hilarious the x'fals procs currently are procing twice and it's enough to kill the end bosses duriel still takes about 5-8 procs to kill him so I need to find more sources to make my physical damage multiplier higher. Your welcome fellow players.
do u know if seneschal construct dot abilities proc the ring?
So right out of the gate, this is wrong. The LHC you are seeing in the skill tree is already factoring in all the ACTIVE LHC bonus. 30% (base lhc for fw) + 62% = 48.6% LHC (Which is the 49% you are seeing on the skill). Your calculation is way off. Then these numbers change slightly if you use conditional lhc boosts such as "25% when barrier active" etc. UPDATE: I noticed other players already pointed this out.
the tooltips havent been like this from the beginning, this video is fairly old and it has been changed since then. But anyway, it doesnt change anything about the message of this video :D
Thanks for the work put into this.... only seeing this now like 9 months late 😅. Only question I have, is the lucky chance on the firebolt enchant based off the spell you are casting, or based off firebolts LHC?
Its Firebolts Lucky Hit
Good test. Good summary
You're Welcome!
But the most important part. What exactly scales the damage on x'fal's? What tags/types/stuff comes along? It states "Same type". Is it only element? Is it also the type of damage down to "macabre" "damage over time" "shadow damage over time"? How much typing is brought along? I know it can crit. I havnt seen overpower.
its just scaled by all modifiers just like any other damage. damage to close/distant/crit/vuln/elemental/etc. it’s not scaled by damage over time its direct damage
How does this work with Andariels visage. It seems it no lucky hit chance as a DOT ?
andariels dot has no lucky hit chance so it doesnt work
what about life on hit? if a character has 10 life on hit, will it trigger on every dot tick on every enemy?
yes
Ty for your guides. Really like ur content. Any build idea for an real elemental sorcerer using all elemental sources (fire, ice, lightning) + using the aspect of elements?
Hey, Tanks! You can 100% Disregard Aspect of the Elements. It is only a 30% Additive Damage which literally makes this the worst aspect in the Entire game pretty much. Jus to be clear, this basically means the same then "+30% Non-Physical Damage" which gives you about 1% damage increase in total.
Other asspects have 30%[x] (Multiplicative) which are literally about 30 times stronger then the Aspect of the Elements
@@GoldfarmingGuideThey changed aspect of elements to be multiplicative in last patch, I checked one I had in stash and they even changed wording on it, mine says 29x. So now it seems pretty strong to me since it requires no other conditions to be met (CC, barrier, etc) even though 7 seconds on/off isn't ideal I would still use it over something like Control since the damage bonus on Elements works on bosses and all other content unlike Control.
@@tasandmnm69 Oh I did not get that. Well that kind of makes it usable, but still I think its not great. 30% half of the time basically equals to 15%. I think using storm swell and conceited is still much better and in this build I don't have another slot I guess.
@@GoldfarmingGuide I agree that Storm Swell is better overall since we almost always will have barrier/vuln up but Control is only better when mobbing IMO since we can't CC bosses so even average Elements to 15% it is better overall. But to me using Elementalist (+40% crit chance) and Edgemasters is better since we can get a large percentage of our casts over 100 mana (casting over 50 mana also gives us bonus damage from a talent). I tend to like skills/aspects that are going to be up as close to 100% of the time as possible and not be wasted when I do certain content which I feel Control is wasted on bosses even though it is a little better to speed through an NMD where you can CC everything since it is a higher damage %.
@@tasandmnm69 I would agree, I am not using control anymore unless im Running frostburns, because those will stagger so fast, that control is worth it. Other than that, I pretty much always just use Storm Swell and Conceited and no other damage aspects.
Elementalists is nice if the build can fuel it, but atleast in my opinion after watching my builds closely, I am probably above 100% ~ 70% of the time.
But Its personal preference. I just feel like im good with my 2 core "100% Uptime" damage aspects.
Maybe with upcoming patches there will be the need to add more dps, but currently I dont see the need to over dps stuff.
Can you make this same video but apply it to barbarians? I want to use this ring with my barbarian...not some magician.
sorry. I dont play barb. Just try it, nothing difficult about that.
Can xfals proc multiple times on a single cast of a dot spell? or can it only happen once per cast?
for example, if i cast blizzard and get lucky on the first tick of blizzard to proc xfals, can that blizzard continue procing xfals?
Yes it can. But keep in mind the proc chance on x'fals from blizzard is extremely low (~0.2 procs over the entire blizzard durationm), so this question seems to be very irrelevant.
Thanks for your Videos, nice work. Got a question, maybe u can help me. Which damage type has X Fals, if its proc for example from mage with firebolt enchant, its fire? so if iam right, would be fire damage or non physical damage raise the damage of X Fals procs? So this need to know, if i go for example Blizzrad with Firebolt enchat and Xfals, i need to max out Fire instead of Cold. Iam i right? Thanks for your time
Hey, X'Fals damage type is always the sources damage type. So if you use blizzard, It will proc 2 different procs, one being Fire (which will be the more frequent one) and one being Cold. You can also check on the training dummy you will see 2 different explosions, one fire explosion one ice. Besides that, yes it gets buffed by non-physical, damage to close/distant/vuln/crit, etc.
@@GoldfarmingGuide OK thanks, then If then fire Prof more frequently i must rebuild my Paragon Board for more fire dmg
@@dustofhell wouldn’t do that. just stick to non physical, damage to elites, etc.
do seneschal construct dot abilities proc the ring?
no
@@GoldfarmingGuide aw man I’m torn between using this or fireball enchantment on my sorc
Can lucky hits crit and get the bonus vs stunned etc?
yes
@@GoldfarmingGuide Nice! Sounds OP.
you said hydra burn can proc but in my testing it never proc unless use firebolt enchant
Hydra has a 3% lucky hit chance. Even with 100% lucky hit chance that will be 6% and 50% chance. So its back to 3%.
Thats why its mot proccing
Its much worse than that. its 3% over the entire burn duration
@@GoldfarmingGuide still 3% per application of the dot. Which it reapplies/stacks a ton.
All though thats still nothing. And we dont know dot stack caps / stack caps for unique dots and such
@@GreenSoup2HoT firebolt enchant make hydra decent proc don't know how it got calculate tho
@@cheychao thats where firebolt has a stack cap we dont know about regardless of the skill used
I have not played d4 in some time now is incinerate still broken and only count as 1 hit or is each tick now counted as a hit, and do this ring work with it?
no 1 hit every i think its 4 seconds? so basically one hit every full burn. or you have to recast it all the time by spamming skill
How much lucky hit do you recommend so that X’fal’s procs often?
Well the more lucky hit the more procs :D linear scale. Usually build have like 50%+ lucky hit by default which is already enough.
@@GoldfarmingGuide Thank you!
Does chain lightning apply firebolt's enchantment on every jump? Or only once?
It will apply it on every jump. You can easily test this on a Training Dummy and see the fire damage number stacking higher after each hit.
@seanmcnally4296 It gets increased by all you damage increse modifiers
whats the damage formula behind it? I thought it would deal an exact number of dmg, but i am critting around 1 million dmg. how is this possible?
Well the damage is just base elemental damage which then gets multiplied by all you modificators as well as crit damage, etc.
This is the formula:
Lucy Hit Chance of Skill x (1+SUM( lucky hit chance bonus)) x Proc Chance of Lucky Hit Effect
TL;DR The formula goes into effect only if it rolls as a Lucky Hit. So the higher your Lucky Hit Chance Bonus is, the better.
Can andariels poison nova trigger xfals?
I dont have it, So I cant test it. But my assumption is no since it probably dont has a lucky hit chance
I have heard that it does not :(
why only on wizard ? why no other character's just wonder
Well it applies to any characters. Will be the same with bleed or necro stuff.
ohh oki then i will try it out.. thought it was for wizards becuse u upload whit wizard.. but thanks :D@@GoldfarmingGuide