@@Jay_Flame right it’s mad annoying. He’s horrible at explaining his stance and rarely has a point. How are you on a podcast and can’t tell the truth. Bring back Mark Henry
Yes it's weird to me when they say jade stock down when you buy stock are you not buying it based on future projection I'm not buying video stocks to cash them today lol I'm buying them because there going to improve jade stock should be crazy high right now knowing the plan.
@jordshuttlewood the stock is being evaluated as if it was "bought" when they changed companies, and they are appraising the current value if it were to be "sold" now.
Thank God for Bully/Bubba Ray. He’s objective and logical. Tommy Dreamers logic makes no sense, he’s like someone who wants to play devils advocate with no point and Dave reaches so hard to give kudos he gonna pull a hamstring. He’s a fan so he’s easy to dismiss.
If anyone watched what Adam Cole did in NXT will tell you how much over he was there and he was one of Hunter's favorites so if Hunter was in the control of WWE early or if Adam Cole didn't leave WWE for staying with her former GF Britt then he would've been in the top spot of WWE.
Dave, I get it that it's your business, but damn. Tony spent the whole interview saying the same things in many different ways. It's hard when you interview someone and they stay in kayfabe the whole time
No feuds. No rematch. No angles. Bad promos. No selling of offence. Same moves in matches on same card. No rule following. Tag teams without tags. No babyfaces no heels. No feuds. No build up of story to conclusion. No story telling. Indy one night booking. Waste of money Wrestlers rinsing marks
I tried to watch AEW when Punk was there. Its a niche product that can't book right. I don't hate them, im just wondering when its going to live up to the hype. If you're going to take on WWE, youre going to have to do better than Adam Page and Jon Moxley. Im more worried about them killing Bryan Danielson and others.
Bully said exactly what I said before I could get the words out when talking to my buddies. Jericho is a worldwide commodity. Thanks for proving my point Bully with Jericho.
No but they mean since leaving WWE. Jericho was doing the List with Kevin Owens. What’s the difference between that and the learning tree?? Both were annoying gimmicks but Jericho stock would be up wherever he goes.
Let's be honest. Everyone that left WWE for AEW doesn't have the same "star power" or "aura" that they used to have. Sasha Banks is the most obvious example.
The main issue I see is that they can't use their WWE names. While the hardcore fans know who they are, casual fans(that AEW desperately needs to attract) don't know who Mercedes Mone, Adam Cole, Jon Moxley etc etc etc are.
@@johnstrika9170 its more then that. They dont book for casual fans. They have said that themself. You a big enough fan of someone thats fine. But the show has to be able to draw you. I like one wrestler what i channel flip to see if their on or i watch their highlights online. But to watch the entire show, thats booking top to bottem
@@johnstrika9170I say Cesaro & Athena are definitely misused. Cesaro definitely showed mainevent qualities in his feud with Reigns. If he were in WWE right now I can see him having classics with Gunther. Now he’s relegated to his undercard spot in AEW. Athena should be featured on main rosters.
@@MaCoyMatt I understand your point. It could be argued he’s the one exception. WWE wasn’t using Mox for shit either. They did produce him though, and that kept him from doing a lot of the garbage he’s been up to since he left. At this point, it seems like 1 million years ago that people thought he would be the star coming out of the shield.
Big Show down Edge (GOATED) Athena/Ember Moon Down Christian (GOATED) Jericho (GOATED) Toni Storm (Up) Adam Cole (Uppish) Danielson (Up) Swerve (Up) Buddy (Uppish, dude needs to stop being a side character) Black (Down disappointed in WWE & AEW not using dude correctly)
Main Event at Wembley means a lot more than longest reigning champ in NXT. and if you think going from a developmental brand with a small venue to the fucking main event program with MJF on a Major show is NOT Stock up , then idk what the fuck you're watching.
@@leorelic means shit. Nobody remembers that match. All his war games matches + his showing at Smackdown vs Daniel Bryan and Survivor Series meant more than anything he has done on AEW.
By stock standards, Jade’s stock would be way up. AEW has one women’s match (on average) and two main women’s feuds (on average). In the WWE. She’s on TV every week and she’ll be in a very hot match at WrestleMania.
She made her in ring debuts at The Royal Rumble and Debut match at Wrestlemania the two biggest shows in WWE. You can’t say her stock was down when you debut at the rumble and Wrestlemania. Plus don’t forget the awesome debut entrance on the go home show for smackdown before Wrestlemania.
If Jade wasn’t so green she would be on the top of the WWE card right now and Bianca would be yesterday’s news. 🗞️ but I’m glad she doesn’t have a winning streak like AEW because being undefeated unbeatable can stifle your career in the long run like it did Goldberg’s career. Cause after the streak was over. Bills career was never the same.
Dustin Rhodes - Up. No one knew he had that in him. Grizzled Young Veterans - too early but really could go way up Lucha Bros - hopefully up when it happens Ricky Starks - Has potential with both but if he can’t get the time where he is….
Jade Cargill is an easy one for me. Stock down at the moment but the potential for her stock to rise in WWE is there IF she gets better in the ring and is able to lead matches on her own rather than relying on Bianca to do the heavy lifting and just being the hot tag.
Dave is wrong about Jade. She wasn't featured every week in AEW. In fact there were stretches where she wasn't on tv at all. One of the running jokes is that the TBS champion was almost never seen on the show that is on TBS.
AEW is amazing and they’ve become the 2nd most profitable company in wrestling history with their new tv deal. Can they improve? Of course! But I love AEW and appreciate Tony Khan and the wrestlers for working so hard for the fans. Viva AEW!
The haters are so childish , i understand people may say all us wrestling fans are childish for watching it but it really is a beautiful art. Both can be criticized but seems it is cool to harp on AEW , AEW has much better wrestling , WWE has better storytelling , pick your poison
@@Dx-so7jm cool, so its not bussniess, but a create a match company and nothing more, 2nd most proferable when you have a 100 million dollar roster, with some of the all time best wrestlers on it, and we all see falling number several time larger.
@danielcavanagh6411 i dont disagree , thing i hate most of AEW is all the meaningless throw away matches without angles , they need to be much better at making matches matter. I mostly care about the in ring wrestling but im even starting to get fatigued seeing these random storyless matches
AEW is not bigger than WCW AEW has never been number one in its history WCW was number one for two years WCW was the Biggest wrestling company in the world beating the WWF for 83 weeks in the ratings wcw in north korea The attendance was Day One: 165,000 Day Two: 190,000 Nitro was watched by millions and defeated Raw for 83 weeks in the ratings In the Monday night war. The number of attendees at Nitro in 1996, 1997 and 1998 was much greater than the attendance at Dynamite. Go and watch any Nitro from 1996, 1997, and 1998 and compare them to Dynamite. There is no comparison to Nitro, the attendance is much greater. The WCW video games on the PlayStation and Nintendo 64 were a huge success and outsold the AEW video game. Hogan vs. Goldberg = 44,000 attendance in the United States in the main wrestling market WCW made a lot of money in 1997 and 1998. Don't believe anything Tony Khan says. He is known for lying a lot, like he lied about the number of attendees in London last year in 2023.
Most talents that went to ÁEW form WWE went down but for a few exceptions!!! Now most of the ÁEW stars have risen higher in WWE regardless of where they at in the roster!
Jade was a bigger deal within aew vs where she is currently in WWE. Buta mid carder in WWE is probably more known by general public that the a top person in AEW. A non wrestling fan is still going to say a aew employee, "oh wrestling like WWE?"
Malakai Black is a top guy 100%. He should be going for Danielson or Ospreay, or playing a dark figure in an important storyline on DYNAMITE. Why is he only being put on Collision?
Hes a legend but man the whole sitting on the fence stuff just comes off as a role player scared to rock the boat as opposed to bully knowing hes a HOF and knows his standing and can just talk and back up what he says with no extra yap lol
I can see why this ended up being a hard video to make and decide on. A bunch of ones I disagree with - especially House of Black members; they have done better than WWE time. Also, Jade Cargill is aimed for the top in WWE so I’d say stock up because AEW had her doing the same boring match for a long time and not taking on different championships.
On one hand, speaking about a 5 year old company along with a 50+ year old company is a tremendous compliment. On the other hand, it also stokes the flames of tribalism for engagement. Interesting.
Sasha Banks' stock is way down. It's not even debatable. She had so much good will in WWE and once she did that CEO gimmick it went way down. Then she's had matches and perception become reality. The only thing i remember from her matches are the corgis. Toni Storm is the star now. Mone is just really bad. So bad you couldn't pay me $20 to watch her. It's so sad.
How can they judge any talent in AEW for stock? Jericho is horrible. He’s a joke, his band sucks, and the fact that these guys cannot see that is eye opening. Bryan Danielson is doing well but it’s just not as impactful as his run in the WWE. Moxley just looks lost and is a dud.
I 100% disagree with Jericho's stock and totally applying Dave's logic into this which is wrestler's stock now vs their stock when they left the opposite company. Jericho's stock went way down since joining AEW. yeah he was the inagaural AEW world champion but right now as of this moment, Jericho is doing the absolute worst work of his entire career.
WWE for me. Ethan Page way 🆙📈 Andrade way 🆙📈 Lexus King way 🆙📈 Jade Cargill skyrocket 🚀📈 Cody Rhodes skyrocket 🚀📈 CM Punk skyrocket 🚀📈 Dragon Lee 📈 Shawn Spears 📈
I was a long time listener who just grew exhausted by the same ol' same ol' in this dynamic. Bully and Mark are great for very different reasons, but Dreamer doesn't belong on anything but a history-based show. Man refuses to give a personal opinion about anyone in wrestling for fear he might no longer be everyone's buddy. Dave needs a new on-air involved producer who isn't a wrestler and has some charisma, and could really change out everyone else except Bully. Dreamer is dragging the business down by refusing to either go away or grow a set of convictions. I wish he'd stop ruining the best wrestling show ever made and just retire already.
Very happy for All Ego!!! Totally used horribly by AEW, just couldn’t figure out how to use him despite his natural talent and the tightest t*ts in the game! Still, I disagree with some, agree with others. Buddy Matthew’s I disagree with a bit… add one member to the House of Black when Malakai is better and you finally have a singles contender for the world championship (Black), and the rest can go for tag team, trios, other titles what have you… HOB needs 4 members badly IMO. Matthew’s for TNT or International Champ. Cody is a fair one because he didn’t want to take the supreme spotlight in AEW, and how could he resist finishing the story, agree strongly. Ricochet’s stock will rise dramatically… storylines with Ospreay as well as wrestling more athletically inclined athletes like the Luchadores will help that a lot. He was never used correctly in WWE… never…IMO. Mercedes Mone, way too early to tell. Not enough matches, though getting better on the mic, readjusting to an American crowd from Japan, and the Britt Baker match made her look really bad. Britt was awful that night, and it’s hard to look good against someone who is nowhere near your level for 20 minutes. Just not a Jade Cargill fan, period. Nothing personal at all, just not a fan, she doesn’t make me feel anything. She’s a better wrestler in WWE, but still not big on her… time will tell if she can emotionally link herself to the audience in a truly heartfelt way. Don’t count emotions and how a wrestler makes you FEEL. Hulk Hogan, despite his flaws, made everyone believe and FEEL like a real superhero. Stone Cold made you feel that same emotion for different reasons, as did the Rock. As for Punk, not a hater, but not a lover either… it doesn’t matter what he does,I just turn the TV off when he’s on. I feel nothing with him, especially after going to AEW to “Help the company and young talent”, while doing nothing for them and even complaining about working with “kids” at AEW, which is why he claimed to go there. I truly believe Punk did all he could at AEW to make himself look good so he could go back to WWE. he didn’t care one lick about AEW, IMO… Just the crowd popping at his return to the ring after 7 years. I couldn’t get them all, but had to give my two cents… always opinion, even from pros like Tommy and Bully… and to be honest, I don’t think Bully likes AEW that much at all, to say it nicely, and will always favor WWE. one reason is not taking into account the superstar status some AEW guys have in Japan, Mexico, etc. AEW will build their worldwide audience, figure out the kinks (only 5 years old compared to how old is WWE? Much more business experience, how to read the crowd, etc.) so I think some of these debates are too early. Also, I know we’re talking talent that switched companies, but guys like Takeshita are just INCREDIBLY good, and will only get better, especially once he adds mic skills. Also, much more talent from other companies like El Hijo del Vikingo and others make those AEW matches fantastic. WWE, IMO, is a bit more dogmatic in their wrestling style fitting in small amounts of other styles like strong or lucha, while AEW features many throughout entire matches giving you more wrestling diversity… IMO. However, AEW will settle in at some point, this year has been much better for longer storytelling, LOTS to learn still, but theirs is not WWE’s storytelling… they don’t have that luxury quite yet. Just another opinion, no hate for anything, just love pro wrestling! 🙏❤️
Jericho is the biggest disgrace to me. In WWE, he was a legend. He went to Japan and I LOVED the painmaker. His original story in AEW, as champion, showing he still got it was great but EVERYTHING after that was HORRIBLE. He's holding back newer guys, pretending to be raising them up. Alister Black is exactly the same WWE and AEW. As a matter of fact, remember the blotch on his eye starting off as just a black eye in WWE. He went to AEW and continued that same story, as it grew week by week. Athena..... Atleast I knew her name in WWE. I forget she still wrestles. DOWN! Didn't know Dragon Lee was in AEW. That says it all. Jade Cargill was my fav part of AEW during her time. But she had nowhere to go. But moving to WWE, her potential SKYROCKETED. And anyone who says down to that, doesn't know shi about the business.
Half of the roster in aew and wwe who have been wrestling 20 plus years switching companies unless you are in the top teir won numerous belts in Japan America abd are 50 plus its a young person's game unless you like wrecking you're body what is the point
Tommy can never just answer a question...ever
Facts hes boring af when explaining things
Yada yada yada! Right?
@@Jay_Flame right it’s mad annoying. He’s horrible at explaining his stance and rarely has a point. How are you on a podcast and can’t tell the truth. Bring back Mark Henry
It’s all the chair shots he’s had
And most of those WWE guys that jumped to ÁEW went because of Vince, Vince dropped the ball on em all near about!
bully ray the only one who's telling the truth.
If someone’s stock is still the same, then it’s a down. They left in order to move up, and that didn’t happen.
@@theredvideocassette I’m stock up on Tommy’s Stock middle though 😝
Yes it's weird to me when they say jade stock down when you buy stock are you not buying it based on future projection I'm not buying video stocks to cash them today lol I'm buying them because there going to improve jade stock should be crazy high right now knowing the plan.
I agree.
@jordshuttlewood the stock is being evaluated as if it was "bought" when they changed companies, and they are appraising the current value if it were to be "sold" now.
Tommy answer a question challenge: impossible
Thank God for Bully/Bubba Ray. He’s objective and logical. Tommy Dreamers logic makes no sense, he’s like someone who wants to play devils advocate with no point and Dave reaches so hard to give kudos he gonna pull a hamstring. He’s a fan so he’s easy to dismiss.
Bully is as subjective as everybody else. its called opinions.
#firetommy
Bully is the real one here
Athena isn't being seen by anyone. Has had the title for over 2 years.
Who’s Athena ?
@@joeibarra4134 ember moon
@@DanzG who?
Who ???
I agree with Bully on Adam Cole. He was on top in NXT, but in AEW he's hardly mention much.
Hard to be mentioned when you’ve been injured for a like a year, don’t you think?
If anyone watched what Adam Cole did in NXT will tell you how much over he was there and he was one of Hunter's favorites so if Hunter was in the control of WWE early or if Adam Cole didn't leave WWE for staying with her former GF Britt then he would've been in the top spot of WWE.
@GhostProtocolXL if Cole were to return to wwe. Who would you have him feud with first?
@@PeterTaylor-u8e in SmackDown, with AJ, Carmelo or Kevin Owens.
In RAW, with Drew or Finn.
In nxt not Main roster, in the main roster they didn't even use him
Dave, I get it that it's your business, but damn. Tony spent the whole interview saying the same things in many different ways. It's hard when you interview someone and they stay in kayfabe the whole time
Jericho's stock went up at the start of AEW, but 5 years later, Jericho's stock has never been lower than it is now.
I Love Tommy Logic….Stock middle😂
Bully drives me crazy. he can NEVER be wrong. Ever.
No feuds. No rematch. No angles. Bad promos. No selling of offence. Same moves in matches on same card. No rule following. Tag teams without tags. No babyfaces no heels. No feuds. No build up of story to conclusion. No story telling. Indy one night booking. Waste of money
Wrestlers rinsing marks
I tried to watch AEW when Punk was there. Its a niche product that can't book right. I don't hate them, im just wondering when its going to live up to the hype. If you're going to take on WWE, youre going to have to do better than Adam Page and Jon Moxley. Im more worried about them killing Bryan Danielson and others.
If you don’t like watching Moxley or Page just stop watching wrestling bro lmaooooo wtf
@@OnyyyxxI’ll indeed not watch, Neo Skinhead Moxley is unwatchable looool 😭😭😭
@@Onyyyxx yeah we don't care if you watch I'm gonna bleed everywhere and botch every move I do. Dope. - Moxley
@@phurzzz8101He has a fetish wearing a crown of skewers.😂
@@phurzzz8101Skewer head Mox
Bully said exactly what I said before I could get the words out when talking to my buddies. Jericho is a worldwide commodity. Thanks for proving my point Bully with Jericho.
Tommy adds nothing! Had no real opinions, doesn't want to offend anyone, just sits the fence.
him and Nick are the worst personalities tbh
Tommy is the worst wrestling podcaster.
He’s the innovator of peace
Ahh bless him. It's true tho. Worst takes goin
He loves the underdog and will never say anything bad about it
Tommy, Positive or negative. Kim Jong Un?
Tommy: I’m undecided 😂
I like to compare Adam Coles AEW run to Bret Harts WCW run
Jericho? The Learning Tree Chris Jericho? Are you guys watching the same product that I am? "HI GUYS! 👋" LOL
It's ok to say "stock down", Tommy!
The Learning Tree 🌲 is funny 😂Y2J always finds ways to reinvent himself so that’s why he gets stock up 👍🏾
They’re friends with Chris so they’ll never shit talk bad characters
When it was the Inner Circle Le Champion. He was up
No but they mean since leaving WWE. Jericho was doing the List with Kevin Owens. What’s the difference between that and the learning tree?? Both were annoying gimmicks but Jericho stock would be up wherever he goes.
Let's be honest. Everyone that left WWE for AEW doesn't have the same "star power" or "aura" that they used to have. Sasha Banks is the most obvious example.
The main issue I see is that they can't use their WWE names. While the hardcore fans know who they are, casual fans(that AEW desperately needs to attract) don't know who Mercedes Mone, Adam Cole, Jon Moxley etc etc etc are.
@@johnstrika9170 its more then that. They dont book for casual fans. They have said that themself. You a big enough fan of someone thats fine. But the show has to be able to draw you. I like one wrestler what i channel flip to see if their on or i watch their highlights online. But to watch the entire show, thats booking top to bottem
I agree with Tommy that there should be a stock middle because there are people who stayed the same and were misused by both companies.
Were they misused or the "IWC" just proves, once again, they're clueless when it comes to the business side of wrestling.
@@johnstrika9170I say Cesaro & Athena are definitely misused. Cesaro definitely showed mainevent qualities in his feud with Reigns. If he were in WWE right now I can see him having classics with Gunther. Now he’s relegated to his undercard spot in AEW.
Athena should be featured on main rosters.
Every guy who left WWE is stock down. Bully is the only one who acts like he gets the business
Exactly. He looks at it from reality while the other guys use their imaginations and lift, or bury, everyone they talk about.
Mox was feuding with Nia Jax before he left WWE. It would be a blatant lie to say his stock didn’t go up. For most others, I agree with you
@@MaCoyMatt I understand your point. It could be argued he’s the one exception. WWE wasn’t using Mox for shit either. They did produce him though, and that kept him from doing a lot of the garbage he’s been up to since he left. At this point, it seems like 1 million years ago that people thought he would be the star coming out of the shield.
Big Show down
Edge (GOATED)
Athena/Ember Moon Down
Christian (GOATED)
Jericho (GOATED)
Toni Storm (Up)
Adam Cole (Uppish)
Danielson (Up)
Swerve (Up)
Buddy (Uppish, dude needs to stop being a side character)
Black (Down disappointed in WWE & AEW not using dude correctly)
@@RicoRamone09 the only thing you got right is Toni storm and swerve.
Jericho's stock is up. By 'stock' do they mean go away heat?
Kevin James should play in the Tommy Dreamer biopic 😂😂
😂😂😂 I see it now
Lmaoo right outta the gate Tommy already bores and disappoints everyone. Bruh just decide stock up or down jeez not rocket science
i don't agree with Athena being Stock down because she pretty much wants to only do ROH and is happy with it. also helped Billie Starks out a lot.
How tf you go stock up with Adam Cole just cuz he was on that main event at Wembley 😂😂 boy was on NXT and was the longest reigning champ there
He was a mid card guy in NXT
@@BigDic-qz8su he was the longest NXT Champ wtf u be talking about.
@@King390James mid card stop getting butt hurt punk wrestling fans lame as fuck
Main Event at Wembley means a lot more than longest reigning champ in NXT. and if you think going from a developmental brand with a small venue to the fucking main event program with MJF on a Major show is NOT Stock up , then idk what the fuck you're watching.
@@leorelic means shit. Nobody remembers that match. All his war games matches + his showing at Smackdown vs Daniel Bryan and Survivor Series meant more than anything he has done on AEW.
Buddy vs. Black during the pandemic put on some of the best matches during that time.
💯
By stock standards, Jade’s stock would be way up. AEW has one women’s match (on average) and two main women’s feuds (on average). In the WWE. She’s on TV every week and she’ll be in a very hot match at WrestleMania.
She made her in ring debuts at The Royal Rumble and Debut match at Wrestlemania the two biggest shows in WWE. You can’t say her stock was down when you debut at the rumble and Wrestlemania. Plus don’t forget the awesome debut entrance on the go home show for smackdown before Wrestlemania.
Sorry for the verbal dump. This is such a good topic. Black has been misused since he dropped the NXT title to go to man
Everyone that went to that empty show regrets leaving the right team 😂 Now theyre coming back home☝🏿
Bully speaking truth yall have to be fair with this cole is for sure down I could argue his nxt run was and is far better than what he's done
Crazy to say Andrade stick same. Dude is featured every week and is probably having the best matches in wwe right now with Melo
He getting exposure now
Dave does one interview with tk now he's a aew mark
Jade is being presented as an equivalent to Bianca Belair, who has been WWE's TOP women's wrestler for mostly half-a-decade.
If Jade wasn’t so green she would be on the top of the WWE card right now and Bianca would be yesterday’s news. 🗞️ but I’m glad she doesn’t have a winning streak like AEW because being undefeated unbeatable can stifle your career in the long run like it did Goldberg’s career. Cause after the streak was over. Bills career was never the same.
Dustin Rhodes - Up. No one knew he had that in him.
Grizzled Young Veterans - too early but really could go way up
Lucha Bros - hopefully up when it happens
Ricky Starks - Has potential with both but if he can’t get the time where he is….
Welcome to the Bad Faith Podcaster show boys and girls: of Dave the Tony Khan lover
Athena is a perfect case of if a tree falls in a forest. Yeah she's been ROH champion forever but if nobody sees you does it really matter?
Exactly
Jade Cargill is an easy one for me. Stock down at the moment but the potential for her stock to rise in WWE is there IF she gets better in the ring and is able to lead matches on her own rather than relying on Bianca to do the heavy lifting and just being the hot tag.
She has gotten more better fundamentally
Tommy forgetting Cole was nxt champion and in some great story lines when HHH was in charge of nxt
I agree on bully with adam cole
Less than 2 minutes in, and I’m out. Wtf is the point of even having this discussion if the people on the show can’t give an answer? Lmao
Dave is wrong about Jade. She wasn't featured every week in AEW. In fact there were stretches where she wasn't on tv at all. One of the running jokes is that the TBS champion was almost never seen on the show that is on TBS.
Tommy wants a job from Tony khan so bad.
AEW is amazing and they’ve become the 2nd most profitable company in wrestling history with their new tv deal. Can they improve? Of course! But I love AEW and appreciate Tony Khan and the wrestlers for working so hard for the fans. Viva AEW!
Amazing? Lmfao. It truly is a cult
The haters are so childish , i understand people may say all us wrestling fans are childish for watching it but it really is a beautiful art.
Both can be criticized but seems it is cool to harp on AEW , AEW has much better wrestling , WWE has better storytelling , pick your poison
@@Dx-so7jm cool, so its not bussniess, but a create a match company and nothing more, 2nd most proferable when you have a 100 million dollar roster, with some of the all time best wrestlers on it, and we all see falling number several time larger.
@danielcavanagh6411 i dont disagree , thing i hate most of AEW is all the meaningless throw away matches without angles , they need to be much better at making matches matter.
I mostly care about the in ring wrestling but im even starting to get fatigued seeing these random storyless matches
AEW is not bigger than WCW
AEW has never been number one in its history
WCW was number one for two years
WCW was the Biggest wrestling company in the world beating the WWF for 83 weeks in the ratings
wcw in north korea
The attendance was
Day One: 165,000
Day Two: 190,000
Nitro was watched by millions and defeated Raw for 83 weeks in the ratings In the Monday night war. The number of attendees at Nitro in 1996, 1997 and 1998 was much greater than the attendance at Dynamite.
Go and watch any Nitro from 1996, 1997, and 1998 and compare them to Dynamite. There is no comparison to Nitro, the attendance is much greater.
The WCW video games on the PlayStation and Nintendo 64 were a huge success and outsold the AEW video game.
Hogan vs. Goldberg = 44,000 attendance in the United States in the main wrestling market
WCW made a lot of money in 1997 and 1998. Don't believe anything Tony Khan says. He is known for lying a lot, like he lied about the number of attendees in London last year in 2023.
I need a reminder of how he was used in aew because I don't even remember dragon Lee even being there
Most talents that went to ÁEW form WWE went down but for a few exceptions!!! Now most of the ÁEW stars have risen higher in WWE regardless of where they at in the roster!
Athena's name sucks. She was better at WWE. But i agree with Tommy. Stock middle. Now make a T-shirt with it.
WWE/NXT treated Athena way better than AEW. ROH isn’t televised and no one cares about ROH. She holds a title that isnt meaningful
Jobber did nothing with her she's actually been good in roh
stock middle? on the first question?? did he not know this segment was happening???
Bully right they presented her as a bigger singles star on AEW
The trend in AEW is interesting. Veterans and bigger stars thrive. "Mid card" and newer guys just can't get out of the mud, so to speak.
Why is this not based off of actual metrics? Ticket sales, merch sales, viewership, and etc.
Billy makes valid points, but Tommy just makes excuses.
Stock up for Jericho? The man that people have been chanting "Please retire" for several PPVs? Sure maybe at the start but now?
The more people are worried about him not retiring, the more he will wrestle 😂 so just let the future Hall of Famer live
Exactly, if this was done 4 years ago maybe can say stock up, but right now, lmao, Jericho is ruining his legacy
Andrade vs Carmelo was a great 5 match feud. His stock is way up.
I feel the same way for ricochet like sean spears. After this feud with ospray i dont see much happening for him.
Stock down for most wrestlers that went from wwe to aew
Tommy is like the kamala harris of wrestling. Never answers a question.
Avenged sevenfold? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yall forgot Toni Storm, Paige, Stock up or Stock Down?
I still don’t get why malakai black isn’t used he got in sick shape
And is a great wrestler
Cocaine Tony is punishing him for asking for his release when HHH took over WWE the first time.
yeah it's pretty frustrating. he gets such shitty booking and has so much potential
Jade was a bigger deal within aew vs where she is currently in WWE. Buta mid carder in WWE is probably more known by general public that the a top person in AEW.
A non wrestling fan is still going to say a aew employee, "oh wrestling like WWE?"
She is a champ
Learning tree is a wordwide name, lol. You heard it here folks.
She learning wwe ways now I would reference her as a rebuild
If NXT is the legit third brand and you take into account what some of these guys/gals did there, almost all the stocks are DOWN
This from the guys who talk about how "tribalism" is bad..YET, they do this. Hypocritical much?
Hot take. Wrestling fans don’t like rational takes.
Malakai Black is a top guy 100%. He should be going for Danielson or Ospreay, or playing a dark figure in an important storyline on DYNAMITE. Why is he only being put on Collision?
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@@jmurdock8303 Look at your page wtf are you doing with yourself
Hes a legend but man the whole sitting on the fence stuff just comes off as a role player scared to rock the boat as opposed to bully knowing hes a HOF and knows his standing and can just talk and back up what he says with no extra yap lol
I can see why this ended up being a hard video to make and decide on. A bunch of ones I disagree with - especially House of Black members; they have done better than WWE time. Also, Jade Cargill is aimed for the top in WWE so I’d say stock up because AEW had her doing the same boring match for a long time and not taking on different championships.
Tommy seems disinterested.
A lot of times he seems disinterested. Sometimes it’s like he doesn’t wanna be there
Yeah its like dude gtfo. I enjoy hearing bully and daves opinion than tommy’s
Tommy seems like he's always protecting his next job opportunity.
On one hand, speaking about a 5 year old company along with a 50+ year old company is a tremendous compliment. On the other hand, it also stokes the flames of tribalism for engagement. Interesting.
Adam will be back after filming, MJF is filming a movie also. One more injury and Adam will be the end
Its interesting that the wwe just replaced one black women tag team as the main focus for another one
Sasha Banks' stock is way down. It's not even debatable. She had so much good will in WWE and once she did that CEO gimmick it went way down. Then she's had matches and perception become reality. The only thing i remember from her matches are the corgis. Toni Storm is the star now. Mone is just really bad. So bad you couldn't pay me $20 to watch her. It's so sad.
Ruby from Riott Squad
How can they judge any talent in AEW for stock? Jericho is horrible. He’s a joke, his band sucks, and the fact that these guys cannot see that is eye opening. Bryan Danielson is doing well but it’s just not as impactful as his run in the WWE. Moxley just looks lost and is a dud.
Jericho was never considered a joke in WWE
I 100% disagree with Jericho's stock and totally applying Dave's logic into this which is wrestler's stock now vs their stock when they left the opposite company. Jericho's stock went way down since joining AEW. yeah he was the inagaural AEW world champion but right now as of this moment, Jericho is doing the absolute worst work of his entire career.
WWE for me.
Ethan Page way 🆙📈
Andrade way 🆙📈
Lexus King way 🆙📈
Jade Cargill skyrocket 🚀📈
Cody Rhodes skyrocket 🚀📈
CM Punk skyrocket 🚀📈
Dragon Lee 📈
Shawn Spears 📈
Is Miro actually looking to get his release from AEW? I heard those are the rumors.
Everyone who left aew proved the grass is much greener in wwe!
this is odd cause you guys aren’t really evaluating “stock” but moreso if the wrestler was booked well or not which or way different things imo.
I was a long time listener who just grew exhausted by the same ol' same ol' in this dynamic. Bully and Mark are great for very different reasons, but Dreamer doesn't belong on anything but a history-based show. Man refuses to give a personal opinion about anyone in wrestling for fear he might no longer be everyone's buddy. Dave needs a new on-air involved producer who isn't a wrestler and has some charisma, and could really change out everyone else except Bully. Dreamer is dragging the business down by refusing to either go away or grow a set of convictions. I wish he'd stop ruining the best wrestling show ever made and just retire already.
bully rocking the BLS sweater, Fuck ya!
No mention of Bea Presley/Blair Davenport?
Jade’s stock is up. She is in a place that can help her learn and grow to her fullest potential. She is a true superstar
All i hear is who would get a bigger pop returning to the wwe today
I’m sorry, but when there’s a video with just Dave and Tommy, I’m out. Bubba and Dave are the show.
I understand Tommy, it's difficult take that black or white position 😅
Banks is definitely stock down
😂😂 Bully is hilarious
Charlotte and Sasha was one of my favorite rivalries in wrestling. They had some great storytelling and matches.
Stock middle is right
Tommy already flaking on the first question is as unsurprising as it gets.
holy fuck tommy just stock up or stock down! lmao.
What about Jack Swagger?
Why doesn’t the WWE ever use Christian the way every other company does? It’s like the keep certain guys in recycled roles
Very happy for All Ego!!! Totally used horribly by AEW, just couldn’t figure out how to use him despite his natural talent and the tightest t*ts in the game!
Still, I disagree with some, agree with others.
Buddy Matthew’s I disagree with a bit… add one member to the House of Black when Malakai is better and you finally have a singles contender for the world championship (Black), and the rest can go for tag team, trios, other titles what have you… HOB needs 4 members badly IMO. Matthew’s for TNT or International Champ.
Cody is a fair one because he didn’t want to take the supreme spotlight in AEW, and how could he resist finishing the story, agree strongly.
Ricochet’s stock will rise dramatically… storylines with Ospreay as well as wrestling more athletically inclined athletes like the
Luchadores will help that a lot. He was never used correctly in WWE… never…IMO.
Mercedes Mone, way too early to tell. Not enough matches, though getting better on the mic, readjusting to an American crowd from Japan, and the Britt Baker match made her look really bad. Britt was awful that night, and it’s hard to look good against someone who is nowhere near your level for 20 minutes.
Just not a Jade Cargill fan, period. Nothing personal at all, just not a fan, she doesn’t make me feel anything. She’s a better wrestler in WWE, but still not big on her… time will tell if she can emotionally link herself to the audience in a truly heartfelt way.
Don’t count emotions and how a wrestler makes you FEEL.
Hulk Hogan, despite his flaws, made everyone believe and FEEL like a real superhero.
Stone Cold made you feel that same emotion for different reasons, as did the Rock.
As for Punk, not a hater, but not a lover either… it doesn’t matter what he does,I just turn the TV off when he’s on. I feel nothing with him, especially after going to AEW to “Help the company and young talent”, while doing nothing for them and even complaining about working with “kids” at AEW, which is why he claimed to go there. I truly believe Punk did all he could at AEW to make himself look good so he could go back to WWE. he didn’t care one lick about AEW, IMO… Just the crowd popping at his return to the ring after 7 years.
I couldn’t get them all, but had to give my two cents… always opinion, even from pros like Tommy and Bully… and to be honest, I don’t think Bully likes AEW that much at all, to say it nicely, and will always favor WWE. one reason is not taking into account the superstar status some AEW guys have in Japan, Mexico, etc. AEW will build their worldwide audience, figure out the kinks (only 5 years old compared to how old is WWE? Much more business experience, how to read the crowd, etc.) so I think some of these debates are too early.
Also, I know we’re talking talent that switched companies, but guys like Takeshita are just INCREDIBLY good, and will only get better, especially once he adds mic skills. Also, much more talent from other companies like El Hijo del Vikingo and others make those AEW matches fantastic.
WWE, IMO, is a bit more dogmatic in their wrestling style fitting in small amounts of other styles like strong or lucha, while AEW features many throughout entire matches giving you more wrestling diversity… IMO.
However, AEW will settle in at some point, this year has been much better for longer storytelling, LOTS to learn still, but theirs is not WWE’s storytelling… they don’t have that luxury quite yet.
Just another opinion, no hate for anything, just love pro wrestling!
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Jericho is the biggest disgrace to me. In WWE, he was a legend. He went to Japan and I LOVED the painmaker. His original story in AEW, as champion, showing he still got it was great but EVERYTHING after that was HORRIBLE. He's holding back newer guys, pretending to be raising them up.
Alister Black is exactly the same WWE and AEW. As a matter of fact, remember the blotch on his eye starting off as just a black eye in WWE. He went to AEW and continued that same story, as it grew week by week.
Athena..... Atleast I knew her name in WWE. I forget she still wrestles. DOWN!
Didn't know Dragon Lee was in AEW. That says it all.
Jade Cargill was my fav part of AEW during her time. But she had nowhere to go. But moving to WWE, her potential SKYROCKETED. And anyone who says down to that, doesn't know shi about the business.
How can you go from main eventing wrestlemania and then go to AEW and have your stock go up? Math aint mathing
Half of the roster in aew and wwe who have been wrestling 20 plus years switching companies unless you are in the top teir won numerous belts in Japan America abd are 50 plus its a young person's game unless you like wrecking you're body what is the point