Im sure I missed some points. One thing I wanna add is that One Piece was fortunate to be made at the time it was made. I don't think it would have worked as well in this current version of the anime industry landscape. Or maybe it could've...
Now that i think about it....yea. Alotta classic joints probably wouldnt be all that successful if they JUST came out today. I dont even wanna imagine anime without stuff like Cowboy bebop and them other joints.
To be fair hajime no ippo is actually quicker to read compared to One Piece I mean latest chapters you'll be lucky to get 15 pages as the average you can read literally 5 min.
Dandadan could prob. go the distance. 163 chapters in and indications are it was just a prologue so far. The hype is real for the next stage of the journey. The universe Yukinobu has created allows him to draw what he wants and the man delivers. Hard to argue with that.
I really wish there were 1000 chapters of dandadan to read. I do think it might be a longer running series since something about it kinda still feels like the beginning.
@@KingBlackknuckle but on a serious note, it's BAFFLING just how artist on Twitter praise Shonen jump KNOWING that many Mangaka have either died or have injuries,trauma, etc and STILL have the nerve to say "man I wanna work for shonen jump, I wanna work on anime in Japan" knowing damn good an well they would fold in a month. Kubo got tf outta there hell Gege said that they were tired of drawing each week. An alot of the older Manga in SJ have og status and literally BUILT the company and you know how Japanese culture is when it comes to the elders.
@@frankford2207 word, you hear about Togashi with his back problems, Kubo injuring his shoulder, Toriyama having to work even with inflamed tendons, and so on. Mind you, this is all WITH assistants to help many of them, and it STILL takes a crazy toll on them.
😮 dude you just gave me an idea for a new plot. A man was not compensated properly for his contributions to a billion-dollar franchise, so then he enters a building thousands upon thousands of meters tall, and he goes on a tear ripping through the stop trying to get to the people who screwed him over.
One Piece ending is a hell of a problem for Shueisha. Weekly Shonen Jump is their best selling magazine with One Piece, but when it had Dragon Ball (mostly during Buu arc), it was selling like 3-4 times Better. When DB ended, sales NOSEDIVED and it NEVER WENT BACK, Even during the "Big 3" Era. IMO, There will never-ever be mangas as popular as One Piece (Not to Mention Dragon Ball) and Mangas may Never be as Popular ever again because The Next Big Cultural Phenomenon as big as OP or DB must be NOTHING like OP and DB, and that's pretty hard to do because no one has A SINGLE IDEA what Else people might like. It's not exactly bad, and I don't feel bad for Shueisha itself, it's just that anime/manga fans afraid that they are going to be more lonely, in my opinion.
@@mysteryguyiscool5054don't forget the video game sales. Even when Dragonball ended, it survived as long as it did because of the video games. We didn't get new anime content until 2015. 18 years without Dragonball being on our screens. (GT's ending in 1997 to BOG's release in 2015.)
I think it's more of the stuff new fans grew up with and started enjoying. I know new anime comes out all the time but when AOT, MHA, Demon slayer, I was like damn time really flies by huh? I often feel greatful they end so they can live their lives. The longest anime/manga I can think of is Fate NGL sure they're are
@@KingBlackknuckle not only that and correct me if im wrong but manga and anime wasn't widely popular back in the day, you get made fun of for all the stuff same thing with Transformers, TMNT, Comic books etc but now all of a sudden people start liking it. Back in the early 2000s I personally believe is where it started getting recognition but i could be wrong
Tbh you hit the nail on the head when you said you think a story should be as long as it needs to be to TELL that story, and that it shouldn't stretch needlessly. Like I can see going 10-20% of the story longer than necessary, and maybe writing it to be longer than necessary so you can add some filler, characterise some minor characters or maybe add a red herring or other PoV or something, but less really is more with that. Personally, as someone who often latched on to minor characters and specific episodes, chapters and such as a kid, I get my fix from fanfiction. Plenty of good stories and variations of stories out there set in familiar settings, often about characters that only show up once or twice. No need for them to hi-jack the story, no need for the animators to slave out a lazy filler full of retcons and plot-holes, no need for the author to come back and cram on superfluous arcs after it's all done.
Most new anime are seasonal instead of weekly Plus ain’t no way in hell could a new anime start as slow as One Piece and keep going. If it doesn’t hook people consistently within the first 12 episodes the anime suffers No new manga or anime is also going to have world building like One Piece either
Bruh I just think it's good because it lets the author move on to new characters,new settings and more importantly TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES by simply taking a little break from writing. I love bleach but I don't think anything going forward needs to be copying that in length and same for one piece. Because Dragon Ball could've ended by now but we keep bringing it back, Naruto could be done but we got Boruto and etc,etc. Tl:dr,You right
I don’t think so, not for a long time anyway. Because with how society has changed and the amount of work put into it manga can drain and even kill you. So unfortunately it has more to do with Japan’s work culture which revolves around this that needs improving above all else. These manga creators slave away to follow their dreams and fulfill their visions if given the chance. But once locked in they end up getting less sleep, more health problems, and end up stressed because of tight scheduled releases. So I don’t blame them for only finishing stories around or between 1-300 chapters now compared to Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece that all went over the 500-mark. MHA and Black Clover got lucky to get over 300 because they started a decade early just when Naruto and Bleach’s manga had ended. But for newcomers it’s a gamble if they really want to risk their health for their vision. Plus not many people want to dedicate their time to long running series anymore due to other priorities. Hell Berserk’s creator couldn’t even finish his series and he started in the 1980s before all these dudes and unfortunately passed away. And Akira finished Dragon Ball/Z a long time ago. Super is still just in between the 10-years before they met Uub. Why do you think it finally hit Oda where he realizes now that he needs to end One Piece while he can and not prolong it anymore.
This topic has me conflicted because there are a lot of titles that don’t need to be thousands of chapters long to be great. My favorite and most impactful anime Mob Psycho 100 is like less than 20 volumes in the manga. But for some people, that longevity (alongside a captivating story) adds to that attachment of a series, and to be honest, I think without a huge title that captivates many and stays around for a while, it just feels like things become disposable. There’s so many shows I see people stop talking about after 1 season and it wouldn’t even be that the show got less interesting, but rather it’s just not the hot new thing anymore that it was when the anime started. And it’s stuff like that that worries me that we may never get another One Piece, but I very much hope to be wrong
Not a new manga but just as long running, isn't the jojo manga actually longer than one piece in raw amounts of pages? The anime is shorter because it doesnt have to stretch itself out to let the manga catch up, its the one doing the catching up, but still.
@@張育荏-h1o But it is a continuous story. It just shifts protagonists. Even the Steel Ball Run universe is connected to the original story, Calamity is the reason anything bad happened in the entirety of JoJo's.
Uhhhh lmao did you just say Dragon Ball is ongoing? It’s not, the main serialization of the manga ended in 1995. Super doesn’t count in terms of “ongoing” status.
lol one piece dawg and I’m sure he’s talking about new generation stuff being long as One piece one day . Not kochikame , golgo 13 , ippo ,detective Conan .
@@rand12389 Conan and Golgo 13 are extremely popular and iconic in Japan. Baki and Jojo are similar in length too, with Jojo having a larger page count than One Piece while still going strong.
Coming from a dragonball fan don’t you got another screaming session paired with zero plot sprinkled with fake out deaths😂 hb you go and watch them db live actions too I bet they good💀💀
One Piece is unnecessarily long. I think Naruto is about as long as a battle series needs to go, unless you start using techniques like Jojo to split the story up into parts that people can consume at their leisure. Also, the reason we don't see long manga as much anymore is because the publication industry has become a lot more predatory and exploitative as manga and anime have become more popular, there isn't as much incentive for these Mangaka to break their back for the publisher AND the publisher is so money-focused that they end up canceling so many series that had the potential to be new long running classics before they have a chance to flower, like if One Pieces original first few chapters were released in todays market, One Piece would certainly have been canceled before it actually got good.
Im sure I missed some points. One thing I wanna add is that One Piece was fortunate to be made at the time it was made. I don't think it would have worked as well in this current version of the anime industry landscape. Or maybe it could've...
Now that i think about it....yea. Alotta classic joints probably wouldnt be all that successful if they JUST came out today. I dont even wanna imagine anime without stuff like Cowboy bebop and them other joints.
@@BlackMangakaInEffect naaah for real son, that'd be wild
GAAAAAAHHHAHAHAAAAADAYUM!!!!
I didnt know Hajime No Ippo manga was THAT damn long bruh
yea bruh lol joint caught me off guard too
To be fair hajime no ippo is actually quicker to read compared to One Piece I mean latest chapters you'll be lucky to get 15 pages as the average you can read literally 5 min.
and the autor said the story is only in the half way
That crash out gonna be generational! 😂 Aliens demons and eldritch monsters 🤣
lmaoo
Dandadan could prob. go the distance. 163 chapters in and indications are it was just a prologue so far. The hype is real for the next stage of the journey. The universe Yukinobu has created allows him to draw what he wants and the man delivers. Hard to argue with that.
I really wish there were 1000 chapters of dandadan to read. I do think it might be a longer running series since something about it kinda still feels like the beginning.
If we lived in a just world, Hajimne No Ippo would still be animated
maaaaan, them matches were the BUSINESS!!
@@KingBlackknuckle that anime literally changed my life
8:30, I think he would have a great career with voice acting
My bro said "ITS EITHER YOU CASH OUT OR I CRASHOUT!!!!"
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@@KingBlackknuckle but on a serious note, it's BAFFLING just how artist on Twitter praise Shonen jump KNOWING that many Mangaka have either died or have injuries,trauma, etc and STILL have the nerve to say "man I wanna work for shonen jump, I wanna work on anime in Japan" knowing damn good an well they would fold in a month. Kubo got tf outta there hell Gege said that they were tired of drawing each week. An alot of the older Manga in SJ have og status and literally BUILT the company and you know how Japanese culture is when it comes to the elders.
@@frankford2207 word, you hear about Togashi with his back problems, Kubo injuring his shoulder, Toriyama having to work even with inflamed tendons, and so on. Mind you, this is all WITH assistants to help many of them, and it STILL takes a crazy toll on them.
😮 dude you just gave me an idea for a new plot. A man was not compensated properly for his contributions to a billion-dollar franchise, so then he enters a building thousands upon thousands of meters tall, and he goes on a tear ripping through the stop trying to get to the people who screwed him over.
that would actually be a tough story right there b
That mangaka lifestlye isn't easy. I can understand why some artist prefer to keep it short, get in and get out.
One Piece ending is a hell of a problem for Shueisha. Weekly Shonen Jump is their best selling magazine with One Piece, but when it had Dragon Ball (mostly during Buu arc), it was selling like 3-4 times Better. When DB ended, sales NOSEDIVED and it NEVER WENT BACK, Even during the "Big 3" Era. IMO, There will never-ever be mangas as popular as One Piece (Not to Mention Dragon Ball) and Mangas may Never be as Popular ever again because The Next Big Cultural Phenomenon as big as OP or DB must be NOTHING like OP and DB, and that's pretty hard to do because no one has A SINGLE IDEA what Else people might like. It's not exactly bad, and I don't feel bad for Shueisha itself, it's just that anime/manga fans afraid that they are going to be more lonely, in my opinion.
Even after one piece ends they gon milk it
@@IronGod0 Oh crap, come to think of it yeah, they're doing alright
@@mysteryguyiscool5054don't forget the video game sales. Even when Dragonball ended, it survived as long as it did because of the video games. We didn't get new anime content until 2015. 18 years without Dragonball being on our screens. (GT's ending in 1997 to BOG's release in 2015.)
8:40 ngl I just shitted myself 😧
Damn 😆
I think it's more of the stuff new fans grew up with and started enjoying. I know new anime comes out all the time but when AOT, MHA, Demon slayer, I was like damn time really flies by huh? I often feel greatful they end so they can live their lives.
The longest anime/manga I can think of is Fate NGL sure they're are
yea, when a story ends and leaves the audience wanting more out of it, as far as im concerned its a sign that the story did its thing.
@@KingBlackknuckle not only that and correct me if im wrong but manga and anime wasn't widely popular back in the day, you get made fun of for all the stuff same thing with Transformers, TMNT, Comic books etc but now all of a sudden people start liking it. Back in the early 2000s I personally believe is where it started getting recognition but i could be wrong
One Piece is like LeBron James retiring after NBA all-stars who grew up watching him
Tbh you hit the nail on the head when you said you think a story should be as long as it needs to be to TELL that story, and that it shouldn't stretch needlessly. Like I can see going 10-20% of the story longer than necessary, and maybe writing it to be longer than necessary so you can add some filler, characterise some minor characters or maybe add a red herring or other PoV or something, but less really is more with that.
Personally, as someone who often latched on to minor characters and specific episodes, chapters and such as a kid, I get my fix from fanfiction. Plenty of good stories and variations of stories out there set in familiar settings, often about characters that only show up once or twice. No need for them to hi-jack the story, no need for the animators to slave out a lazy filler full of retcons and plot-holes, no need for the author to come back and cram on superfluous arcs after it's all done.
Probably Hajime No Ippo if the anime comes back
I pray the anime comes back 🙏
Most new anime are seasonal instead of weekly
Plus ain’t no way in hell could a new anime start as slow as One Piece and keep going. If it doesn’t hook people consistently within the first 12 episodes the anime suffers
No new manga or anime is also going to have world building like One Piece either
8:29 yo, I didn't know you had a tailed beast inside of you!
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Bruh I just think it's good because it lets the author move on to new characters,new settings and more importantly TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES by simply taking a little break from writing.
I love bleach but I don't think anything going forward needs to be copying that in length and same for one piece.
Because Dragon Ball could've ended by now but we keep bringing it back, Naruto could be done but we got Boruto and etc,etc.
Tl:dr,You right
@@WhoisThatGuy- I hear that. Hopefully more mangaka follow the creator of Black Clover and avoid the traps too
I don’t think so, not for a long time anyway. Because with how society has changed and the amount of work put into it manga can drain and even kill you. So unfortunately it has more to do with Japan’s work culture which revolves around this that needs improving above all else.
These manga creators slave away to follow their dreams and fulfill their visions if given the chance. But once locked in they end up getting less sleep, more health problems, and end up stressed because of tight scheduled releases.
So I don’t blame them for only finishing stories around or between 1-300 chapters now compared to Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece that all went over the 500-mark. MHA and Black Clover got lucky to get over 300 because they started a decade early just when Naruto and Bleach’s manga had ended.
But for newcomers it’s a gamble if they really want to risk their health for their vision. Plus not many people want to dedicate their time to long running series anymore due to other priorities.
Hell Berserk’s creator couldn’t even finish his series and he started in the 1980s before all these dudes and unfortunately passed away. And Akira finished Dragon Ball/Z a long time ago. Super is still just in between the 10-years before they met Uub. Why do you think it finally hit Oda where he realizes now that he needs to end One Piece while he can and not prolong it anymore.
This topic has me conflicted because there are a lot of titles that don’t need to be thousands of chapters long to be great. My favorite and most impactful anime Mob Psycho 100 is like less than 20 volumes in the manga. But for some people, that longevity (alongside a captivating story) adds to that attachment of a series, and to be honest, I think without a huge title that captivates many and stays around for a while, it just feels like things become disposable. There’s so many shows I see people stop talking about after 1 season and it wouldn’t even be that the show got less interesting, but rather it’s just not the hot new thing anymore that it was when the anime started. And it’s stuff like that that worries me that we may never get another One Piece, but I very much hope to be wrong
Detective conan lol
Not a new manga but just as long running, isn't the jojo manga actually longer than one piece in raw amounts of pages? The anime is shorter because it doesnt have to stretch itself out to let the manga catch up, its the one doing the catching up, but still.
jojo is not a good example,every part are new story and characters,it's not a continuous story like one piece.
@@張育荏-h1o But it is a continuous story. It just shifts protagonists. Even the Steel Ball Run universe is connected to the original story, Calamity is the reason anything bad happened in the entirety of JoJo's.
Uhhhh lmao did you just say Dragon Ball is ongoing? It’s not, the main serialization of the manga ended in 1995. Super doesn’t count in terms of “ongoing” status.
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There’s like 5+ anime or manga longer than One Piss
lol one piece dawg and I’m sure he’s talking about new generation stuff being long as One piece one day . Not kochikame , golgo 13 , ippo ,detective Conan .
But there half as relevant or in demand as One Piece?NO. Hajime no Ippo is like the only among them I've seen people talk about
@@rand12389 Conan and Golgo 13 are extremely popular and iconic in Japan. Baki and Jojo are similar in length too, with Jojo having a larger page count than One Piece while still going strong.
Coming from a dragonball fan don’t you got another screaming session paired with zero plot sprinkled with fake out deaths😂 hb you go and watch them db live actions too I bet they good💀💀
@@pete-treedish4363 cry, there’s more fake outs in One Piss than any anime out there lmao
Isn't crayon shin chan longer
Yep W video
jojo?
One Piece is unnecessarily long. I think Naruto is about as long as a battle series needs to go, unless you start using techniques like Jojo to split the story up into parts that people can consume at their leisure.
Also, the reason we don't see long manga as much anymore is because the publication industry has become a lot more predatory and exploitative as manga and anime have become more popular, there isn't as much incentive for these Mangaka to break their back for the publisher AND the publisher is so money-focused that they end up canceling so many series that had the potential to be new long running classics before they have a chance to flower, like if One Pieces original first few chapters were released in todays market, One Piece would certainly have been canceled before it actually got good.
definitely, the juice just aint worth the squeeze when you peel back the veil and see how cut throat things really are.
no
Nope
Nah