@@CeramicDread360 Not really. Against wooden structures it just demolishes them, against metal structures, it overpressures each frame parts, blowing out big chunks of the skin, creating heavy drag, which itself continues to damage the airframe.
@@Ghostmaxi1337 japanese 50 cals have 20 times less explosive mass and still deal the same or more damage than MG151s. the concept of hits shouldn't even be possible with 30mm mine shells, not to mention the 50mm mine bombs which have more HE filler than some rockets in game
@@canerdemir6038 minegschoss shells in game have 30grams of tnt equivalent explosive mass meanwhile shvaks have like 6 grams of tnt equivalent, except the shvaks will one tap wings and the mg151 will sometimes do zero damage to the enemy or very little
Can we talk about FW 190s still overheating like a toaster because some random guy said "Fw 190s shouldnt be able to do that because I think so" on the forums?
@@canerdemir6038 It happened over the course of several updates so you can't find a single changelog entry. Search for the term "Realshatter" and you find tons of forum threads where people discuss what happened in detail. tldr cannon rounds had various characteristics changed and it screwed the german ones particularly hard.
War Thunder has become the perfect example of how NOT to manage a multiplayer game. The matchmaking system (MM) is designed to manipulate player performance, favoring unbalanced matches to maintain the illusion of progress and push the purchase of premium content. The so-called matchmaking seems orchestrated to systematically place players at a disadvantage, alternating between crushing victories and humiliating defeats. To make matters worse, the game is infested with bots exhibiting clearly automated behaviors: predictable movements, lack of response to human tactics, and inexplicably perfect accuracy in certain cases. The community has pointed out that these bots appear to be introduced by Gaijin itself to fill matches and create the illusion of an active player base. This not only ruins the experience but also undermines trust in the legitimacy of the competition. Gaijin's greed becomes evident in its aggressive monetization system. Players are pushed to spend real money to overcome the artificial barriers created by the deliberately frustrating game design. From exorbitant repair costs to absurdly slow progression, everything is set up to force microtransactions. In summary, War Thunder is nothing more than a simulation of fun packaged in a toxic business model. The manipulation of matches and infestation of bots is a scam against real players seeking a fair and authentic competitive experience. Gaijin should reconsider its approach before this shipwreck completely destroys its reputation beyond repair.
Why eve make this video after you have nerfed tf out of the ammo And almost all the planes have too weak of a damage model And really with how the game is played cannons aren’t the best as German planes are out speed and turns causing you too have massive issues hitting things at a half mile when the Americans are blasting you from a mile and a half accurately
Fighters would go down after a single direct minengeschoss hit therefor the games damage model is often correct, except maybe for IL2 which have this magical ability of just eating 20mm Minengeschoss rounds like they are nothing. The fact that it’s much easier to snipe with US .50 Cals is the high velocity of those rounds, where most German 20mm and especially 30mm cannons have a very low velocity which require more skill from the pilot to make proper use of them. Especially at range.
@Arthur_Neves Yeah, a whole lot of 50 and 55mm (partly Prototypes partly full production on multiple Aircrafts). Most known (and produced) was the 5 cm Bk 5 (basically a Autoloaded 5 cm KwK 39/1 L/60, with new Rheinmetall style muzzle brake and no recoil guard) On Me 410 A-1(and B-2)/U4 with 22 rounds in an continues belt, on Ju 88 P-4 handloaded with 44 rounds (1 trail plane with autoloader and 36 round drum), otherwise some in Me 262s with 32 rounds belt. Along with the improved new model, the Mk.214A, which increased the fire rate from 50 rpm to 160 rpm. Fireing the 5 cm Pzgr.39, 40, an Sprgr.38 (tho with new 250g HTA filler instead of 200g Fp.02 and Np.10) and M-Geschoss, 1,56kg 350g HTA and 15g PENT and 920m/s. The 55x450mmB ammo was used in the Gerät 58 and Mk.214B, with 180 rpm and 1000m/s with some 2 kg M-Geschosse with 420g HTA. Tho only trail fit on Me 410s and Me 262s.
@@BlackBustnMoves Well, you are in luck, because they removed it from the wrong round. The 1,56kg M-Geschoss has the tracer, the converted Sprgr.38 (currently only found on Mk.214A, and normal on Ground) should not. I allready reported the error, tho its still not forwarded.
20mm Mauser shells have the same size as 20mm Oerlikon and Hispano shells, which could carry 10g of explosive, like Pentolite, early 20mm Mineshells carried around 17g of PETN. So in general a Mineshell merely doubles the explosive amount, for the size of shell. ShVAK 20mm HEI -> 5.6g RDX+ Aluminum Ho-5 20mm Fuzeless HEI -> ~12g Explosive+Flash Poweder Both ShVAK and Ho-5 shells are roughly 62mm in lenght compared to Mauser, Oerlikon and Hispano 20mm shells, which are around 80mm long. A true game changer was incendiary ammunition using flash powder, which could have the same blast performance of explosives, while making fuel fires much more likely due to the immense heat released. But in WT a lot of Incendiary rounds are complete trash.
Self destroying 20 mm are a joke reducing your effective range to below 300m in a chase or 700 in an headon. meanwhile getting sprayed by 50 call from 1.5 km away.
Hey warthunder this message comes from "epictype93" I personally have 2500 battles in the type 93 and ive had it for about a year and its the most enjoyable and funny vechicle in war thunder. I've had it before it was speed nerfed for no reason at all, listen it cant do anything againsts ground atleast can you make it fast again for the memes and for the type 93 players thanks dear snail i mean gaijin :DDD
0:21 Same as at 0:06. 0:06 I wont say that this is wrong as some BF-109s didn't have spirals. 1:13 FockeWulf-190s/FW190s had spirals on their propellers, however as potrayed here it is gray. 0:27 Same as 1:13. 0:55 Same as 1:13. 1:08 Just barely, but you can see the propeller is gray. Same as 1:13. 1:21 In the distance, you can see the propeller is gray. Same as 1:13. 1:55 Ignorable, same as 0:06. 2:05 Same as 0:06. 2:50 Same as 1:13. 3:01 Correct!
Why should you even use 20mils. In every situation in war thunder, 50cals are better than 20mils. 50cals deal tons more damage than a german 20mil, these things are literally a joke. Theres no difference between 20mil and 7.62, its the same. All that matters is the number of guns, even a 2.3 BF-109 with like 6 7.62 guns is better than a 4.3 BF-109 with 4 20mils....
if i am not mistaken they are still trying to find out how the germans create those because they want them rebuild but they cant that is pretty interresting because today we have more technology and still cant rebuild an old ammo
Well uh.. it's not really a secret the projectile body was made by drawing higher quality steel instead of drilling cavities to a solid body like other types of HE projectile.
Actual Minengeschoß right now would be the Swedish 13.2 and Japanese 12.7, those things snap wings like actual 20mm nowadays. Still, gotta thanks that they make Hispanos good now from the original Sparklefest.
@@TinyBearTim Yes you are right, but the december update teaser is coming in the next 4-5 days so when I see « War Thunder. Official. channel. … » releasing a video I strongly believe it is the teaser, what a surprise, hard to be hyped by a wwii German plane when in the next 2 weeks ill be flying a Rafale you know
@@Captain1991- how were you baited? Look at the thumbnail and the title… sure sounds like it’s the *planes* that are goofy…. You top tier players can never get enough while Prop aircraft are quickly being forgotten in updates.
2 - 3 times the explosive mass of contemporary 20mm HE shells and 2 - 3 times less damage than them in game.
@@CeramicDread360 Not really. Against wooden structures it just demolishes them, against metal structures, it overpressures each frame parts, blowing out big chunks of the skin, creating heavy drag, which itself continues to damage the airframe.
@@Ghostmaxi1337 japanese 50 cals have 20 times less explosive mass and still deal the same or more damage than MG151s. the concept of hits shouldn't even be possible with 30mm mine shells, not to mention the 50mm mine bombs which have more HE filler than some rockets in game
@@Akhaaelikian I know you are smoking crack with that comment.
Are we playing the same game? Where does WT calculate drag from holes and thus further damage the fuselage?
@@CoIdHeat You are talking in game, i was IRL.
It's funny MG 151 made it into this series, because good Minengeschoß damage IS history.
Ayo Gaijin, why do my 20mm Minengeschoß shells do less damage than the 20mm Shvak’s?
Less velocity
bias
stalinium ofc
Look at what nation uses shvak's... Look at what nations uses the mine shells. Look at what nation Gaijin is based in. There is your answer
@@Warc2448 there based in Hungary so your bias excuse doesn't work since it doesn't exist anyway
how are you gonna make this video after you nerfed it into the floor lmao
basement kidd was ignored when he told them to read the room, Gaijin don't read lol
I am a german main can you explain the nerf I don't see any difference
is it about explosive mass?
@@canerdemir6038 minegschoss shells in game have 30grams of tnt equivalent explosive mass meanwhile shvaks have like 6 grams of tnt equivalent, except the shvaks will one tap wings and the mg151 will sometimes do zero damage to the enemy or very little
@@explodingturtles2957 wait I use those shvaks all of the time and they do next to no damage.
@@doc7000 thats a skill issue, are you shooting bombers or fighters?
Can we talk about FW 190s still overheating like a toaster because some random guy said "Fw 190s shouldnt be able to do that because I think so" on the forums?
Who cares, FWs still get out turned by a B-25
*nerfs every Fw 190 A5 yet again*
This video is a complete joke, you guys have literally nerfed the mg151s to the point where they're the worst 20mm cannons in the game.
when happend and what happend I'am not playing this game for like 3 month and I cant find the change in the change log
@@canerdemir6038 It happened over the course of several updates so you can't find a single changelog entry. Search for the term "Realshatter" and you find tons of forum threads where people discuss what happened in detail. tldr cannon rounds had various characteristics changed and it screwed the german ones particularly hard.
@@canerdemir6038Yeah long before 3 months buddy
@@canerdemir6038 Imagine thinking gaijin actually puts the most impactful changes in the change logs.
But accurate from a historical and real-world technical stand point.
Which their gae CLAIMS to represent, but well...
Everyone is taking about the damage, but the bombers in this video aren't from warthunder, they are surviving too much damage!
War Thunder has become the perfect example of how NOT to manage a multiplayer game. The matchmaking system (MM) is designed to manipulate player performance, favoring unbalanced matches to maintain the illusion of progress and push the purchase of premium content. The so-called matchmaking seems orchestrated to systematically place players at a disadvantage, alternating between crushing victories and humiliating defeats.
To make matters worse, the game is infested with bots exhibiting clearly automated behaviors: predictable movements, lack of response to human tactics, and inexplicably perfect accuracy in certain cases. The community has pointed out that these bots appear to be introduced by Gaijin itself to fill matches and create the illusion of an active player base. This not only ruins the experience but also undermines trust in the legitimacy of the competition.
Gaijin's greed becomes evident in its aggressive monetization system. Players are pushed to spend real money to overcome the artificial barriers created by the deliberately frustrating game design. From exorbitant repair costs to absurdly slow progression, everything is set up to force microtransactions.
In summary, War Thunder is nothing more than a simulation of fun packaged in a toxic business model. The manipulation of matches and infestation of bots is a scam against real players seeking a fair and authentic competitive experience. Gaijin should reconsider its approach before this shipwreck completely destroys its reputation beyond repair.
Nerfedgechob shell u mean?
I love it when my "high velocity 20mm cannons" have worse spread than a sawed off pipe gun and the drag of an entire airbrake
Why eve make this video after you have nerfed tf out of the ammo
And almost all the planes have too weak of a damage model
And really with how the game is played cannons aren’t the best as German planes are out speed and turns causing you too have massive issues hitting things at a half mile when the Americans are blasting you from a mile and a half accurately
Fighters would go down after a single direct minengeschoss hit therefor the games damage model is often correct, except maybe for IL2 which have this magical ability of just eating 20mm Minengeschoss rounds like they are nothing.
The fact that it’s much easier to snipe with US .50 Cals is the high velocity of those rounds, where most German 20mm and especially 30mm cannons have a very low velocity which require more skill from the pilot to make proper use of them. Especially at range.
@ warthunder damage model for planes is notorious for making things too weak
Fighters are too strong, and bombers are too weak.
@@froginabucket7294 bro if you can aim your gunners, bombers are the best fighters lol
Yeah…you gonna buff em back up any time soon Gaijin?
Buff them (my 109s cannons hit like peashooters, while enemy cannons tear me apart)
And yet they cant bother to fix the 5 cm M-Geschoss in game...
Is there a 50mm autocannon?
@Arthur_Neves Yeah, a whole lot of 50 and 55mm (partly Prototypes partly full production on multiple Aircrafts).
Most known (and produced) was the 5 cm Bk 5 (basically a Autoloaded 5 cm KwK 39/1 L/60, with new Rheinmetall style muzzle brake and no recoil guard)
On Me 410 A-1(and B-2)/U4 with 22 rounds in an continues belt, on Ju 88 P-4 handloaded with 44 rounds (1 trail plane with autoloader and 36 round drum), otherwise some in Me 262s with 32 rounds belt.
Along with the improved new model, the Mk.214A, which increased the fire rate from 50 rpm to 160 rpm.
Fireing the 5 cm Pzgr.39, 40, an Sprgr.38 (tho with new 250g HTA filler instead of 200g Fp.02 and Np.10) and M-Geschoss, 1,56kg 350g HTA and 15g PENT and 920m/s.
The 55x450mmB ammo was used in the Gerät 58 and Mk.214B, with 180 rpm and 1000m/s with some 2 kg M-Geschosse with 420g HTA. Tho only trail fit on Me 410s and Me 262s.
@@Ghostmaxi1337 They removed the tracer from the HE round for the BK 5. Something I will never forgive them for.
The lack of tracer is just criminal
@@BlackBustnMoves Well, you are in luck, because they removed it from the wrong round.
The 1,56kg M-Geschoss has the tracer, the converted Sprgr.38 (currently only found on Mk.214A, and normal on Ground) should not.
I allready reported the error, tho its still not forwarded.
Bring back the old Shooting Range
1/10
Bring back the old narrator
Fun fact: some WT players have no life and make comments like this
YES im not the only one who hates this format
Bring back pooping
2:29 lmfao that fw190 flatspinned
I continue to ask for the flame thrower variant of the L3
the goofy lil guy
20mm Mauser shells have the same size as 20mm Oerlikon and Hispano shells, which could carry 10g of explosive, like Pentolite, early 20mm Mineshells carried around 17g of PETN.
So in general a Mineshell merely doubles the explosive amount, for the size of shell.
ShVAK 20mm HEI -> 5.6g RDX+ Aluminum
Ho-5 20mm Fuzeless HEI -> ~12g Explosive+Flash Poweder
Both ShVAK and Ho-5 shells are roughly 62mm in lenght compared to Mauser, Oerlikon and Hispano 20mm shells, which are around 80mm long.
A true game changer was incendiary ammunition using flash powder, which could have the same blast performance of explosives, while making fuel fires much more likely due to the immense heat released.
But in WT a lot of Incendiary rounds are complete trash.
I really dislike being forced to use those self destroying shells
Now make them stronger in the game, they didn't have as much drop as you make it seem
An/m2 cannons do more damage than minnengesos so this vid is completely bs
Give the german eurofighter pirate as a researchable modification
Anyways in War Thunder you can kill a bomber with 7.92mm guns
prefered the old shows format rather than the shorter episodes
"Hit"
day 365 of waiting for Polish-Czechoslovakian or Polish-Czechoslovakian-Yugoslavian tech tree
a full year
we did it
Yeah and now Im gonna have to wait for at least another year because gaijin said they are not adding it in 2025
(pain noices)
That's quiet a word over there
Still doesn't justify my B-17 snapping in half from the fuselage
Dont play b17 then lol
No one asked you to fly into skyscraper.
@@Teh0XWell what else are you supposed to do when you like American WW2 bombers?
@NHDbrouf117 Don't reply to my comment then if it makes you that butthurt over my opinion. That's the same logic I'm getting rn
It is because the damage model is heavily outdated.
Id imagine the germans had proxy round tech they would make a plane that could shoot proxy rounds.
Wehraboo spotted
@@MiaGraves-444 o its just a thought I had once on why the americans never did it, germans prob would if they could bc theyre crazy
@@MiaGraves-444 to be fair, the US also had experimental radio fuse shells
@@MiaGraves-444 random hater that doesn't even read the comment lmao
Gaijin the 20 mill is weaker then a 50 cal s5op lying like yall said that thew will not be a toptier premium yall lied
Minengeschoss Geschoss
Self destroying 20 mm are a joke reducing your effective range to below 300m in a chase or 700 in an headon. meanwhile getting sprayed by 50 call from 1.5 km away.
This isnice, yeah but the shooting range format was better
Which model fw 190 has access to the 2x 2 20mm gun pods as shown at the end of the vid?
FW190 A-5/U12 gets the pods.
Hmmmm messersmith🗣️
Just drop the trailer already basement guy we know you want to
I LOVE my do335 B2, when Will you add the two seat version of do335?
I am very curious how did you get those NO HUD shots inside the cockpit ?
They have no shame 😂
Day 52 of asking gaijin for folding wings on carrier aircraft
what soundtrack is this ?
feed the snail
please bring back the old stat list, the new one is inaccurate and slow
Hey warthunder this message comes from "epictype93" I personally have 2500 battles in the type 93 and ive had it for about a year and its the most enjoyable and funny vechicle in war thunder. I've had it before it was speed nerfed for no reason at all, listen it cant do anything againsts ground atleast can you make it fast again for the memes and for the type 93 players thanks dear snail i mean gaijin :DDD
Make the sturmtiger available again(day four hundred ten)
We aready have those in 262's , no?
0:21 Same as at 0:06.
0:06 I wont say that this is wrong as some BF-109s didn't have spirals.
1:13 FockeWulf-190s/FW190s had spirals on their propellers, however as potrayed here it is gray.
0:27 Same as 1:13.
0:55 Same as 1:13.
1:08 Just barely, but you can see the propeller is gray. Same as 1:13.
1:21 In the distance, you can see the propeller is gray. Same as 1:13.
1:55 Ignorable, same as 0:06.
2:05 Same as 0:06.
2:50 Same as 1:13.
3:01 Correct!
Yeah it’s almost like when something is spinning at thousands of rpm the colors get a little blurry.
Play the FW-190 ingame and even there the spiral isn't blurry. How about you stop using your ass as a source? @@TaGF_Tomcat
Why ap and he ammo belt have the same mm of penetration?
When Gaijin will bring the older player card or fix the new one whit the miss stats??? Better nor even start talkin about the Real mess whit Wiki3.0!
what soundtrack is the background music ?
what is up with the matchmaking? only says about 9 matches when i hit play 12.0
ah yes the worst shell in air battle
Give A10c sniper pod
how to get the time indicator for missiles?
what s the max range of the 20mm please ?
fix the cape town map
Hello daddy thunder
fix the connons . 7 mm hit better
What's the song in the intro?
german shells
Will a Romanian Version of the Mig 21 be added ?
i identify as a 20mm Minengeschos
Where's the Latin America line?
Benget eceran.
Rich punks spawning out of nowhere.
Simple thin-walled HE shells that's it really
Have you even watched the video
@@unlink1649 is he wrong?
Why should you even use 20mils. In every situation in war thunder, 50cals are better than 20mils. 50cals deal tons more damage than a german 20mil, these things are literally a joke. Theres no difference between 20mil and 7.62, its the same. All that matters is the number of guns, even a 2.3 BF-109 with like 6 7.62 guns is better than a 4.3 BF-109 with 4 20mils....
Great ammo but without much range.
Ahora en español 😢
What about the eurofighter
Hola
40 SECONDS AGO, LOVE U GAIJIN PLEASE DONT GAIJIN ME I PAYED SO MUCH
No pin
if i am not mistaken they are still trying to find out how the germans create those because they want them rebuild but they cant that is pretty interresting because today we have more technology and still cant rebuild an old ammo
Other countries had cannons in ww2 why would we want to re build them now they aren’t good guns
No ones trying to make ancient shells man
Well uh.. it's not really a secret the projectile body was made by drawing higher quality steel instead of drilling cavities to a solid body like other types of HE projectile.
noob in a stock russian plane >>>>>>>>> ace in a every single german plane. Is just a waste of time.
too bad HE is god awful
bwah
Luftvafafa
Adolf Galland wrote the Luftwaffe had always superior Ammo during whole WW2
When the Tier IX shall come to the US-TT Gaijin ?
first
Nope
Siema
elo kasti
One minute ago
Give us free GE
Actual Minengeschoß right now would be the Swedish 13.2 and Japanese 12.7, those things snap wings like actual 20mm nowadays.
Still, gotta thanks that they make Hispanos good now from the original Sparklefest.
1 view wt fell off ngl
😐
Fr
Was für ein lächerliches Cheater Game.
Here we go again gaijin pulling out sekrit documents to justify how broken all of their 20mms are.
Second
Nope
Stop baiting me, I want the trailer, not the goofy wwii ass planes
The only goofy thing here is you
@@Captain1991- the majority of the player base is in ww2 or very early Cold War
@@TinyBearTim
Yes you are right, but the december update teaser is coming in the next 4-5 days so when I see « War Thunder. Official. channel. … » releasing a video I strongly believe it is the teaser, what a surprise, hard to be hyped by a wwii German plane when in the next 2 weeks ill be flying a Rafale you know
@@Captain1991- how were you baited? Look at the thumbnail and the title… sure sounds like it’s the *planes* that are goofy…. You top tier players can never get enough while Prop aircraft are quickly being forgotten in updates.
FIM DE ANO É APERTADO MAS AMANHA VOU ESTAR NA SUA LIVE CHUPADOR KKKKK