VFX Artists React to TRON Bad & Great CGi
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The frick did you say about the first Tron?! Prepare for immediate deresolution.
Actually Tron was the Second movie to use CGI the first was in 1981 from Michael Crichton a Thriller called Looker
in case you care, you have a typo on the "re(f)lective materials" placard
also there were spreadsheet programs in early 80s
Fun Fact: Tron was rejected for the Oscars (for special effects) because back in the day the use of digital effects were considered "cheating"
The Oscars are a cheat.
Miguel A. Rubio isn’t that the point of the Oscar??
And the funny thing is - it's probably the one film MOST deserving an Oscar for effects in history. They went so far ahead of what was thought possible with existing technology. The joke is in the hindsight: they thought it was cheating, while what it really was... was the future.
I don’t think they now what ‘change’ means
omg can you even imagine?
Gotta see Blade Runner vs 2049
YES
pls do this
YEEES
Panda I'm so happy you watch the corridor crew too!
The big jiggly boy is a fan of corridor? Hell yeah
Tron: Legacy is probably one of my most favorite movies. Only gets better with every watch
It's my favorite movie, and it does get better with every watch
its my favorite movie, and impressively it's popularity still growing
I love Tron Legacy. I wish i could enter the grid irl.
Facts
watched it over 30 times over the summer, was better and better every time especially the music
TRON: Legacy is a guilty pleasure of mine, the effects and the soundtrack is glorious
Well daft punk knows how to make good electronic music.
Its not guilty. It's a pretty good fun movie. There's a few flaws, but at it's core. it's really good.
me too!
People ripped on it but its one of my favourite films.
There are times when I feel a personal connection to the movie even though I don’t personally know anyone that was in it
"If you guys want to see us try to recrea...."
"Yes"
"Yeah but you don't even know wha..."
"Just do it. Just make the thing. It'll be great"
Just make the things and we'll be happy.
My man... You know what we want
yeah Id also love to see that and hit the like button
Please this will be amazing
oh my gosh if they created that it would be awesome great idea
Fun fact: the original TRON didn’t get an academy award for special effects because the jury thought they were cheating with computers.
Looks like those guys were always uncultured.
Using _Computers_ for _Special_ _Effects?_ What nonsense.
VFX in 1982 was the equivalent of witchcraft in the 1600s
Wow.
Yea, and let's face it it, it would have won. They should have a honorary award so that their work can get the credit it deswrves.
@@JBNagis I thought I was having a stroke.
There's a lot more to TRON than just the visuals and "looking like a computer." In Legacy the Grid was designed by Flynn to be a world inhabited by programs as people, rather than the first movie where the Grid was Encom's own network and programs existed just to do their jobs. There's more to Legacy's Grid than just being the inside of a computer, it's a literal digital world Flynn created to study and learn from, hence why it looks more like a real city and the programs have no real-world functions like in the original. The original TRON was from the perspective of humans looking into a computer, whereas Legacy is much more from the perspective of programs living in it.
Another thing worth noting is the comparison between Kevin and Sam entering the Grid. The original TRON blew the secret of the Grid before Kevin was ever digitized, but Legacy kept the actual Grid unseen until Sam got there. The transition being fast and simple is to keep the mystique of what just happened until that moment when Sam finally steps outside, sees the Grid for the first time, and is confronted by the Recognizer. The effects in Legacy are used far more to tell the story of the Grid, whereas in the original the effects themselves are more the focus.
even expanding on your great phrase of the original Tron being: humans looking inside a computer - the new Tron can be said to make the computer programs look out at the world (as the computer is made to immitate the real world to a degree, and even conjured a new form of artificial intelligence not connected to any pre-programmed software.
It's really taking the first movie and flipping it's concepts around, which I think many people may be overlooking.
Tron uprising is exclusively set in the grid and it is great at building the world up
Very well said!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@thewolfman0889 Very underrated series, kinda like Tron as a whole now, I still hate Disney for giving up on it and in turn Tron...
"TRON" is actually a key concept of the film - it's a debugging command that was used in many dialects of BASIC that is the mnemonic for "TRace ON". When TRON is flagged the terminal prints the current line number being executed onscreen (or on paper if printing). This is a bit of an easter egg to the computer geeks watching the movie as the TRON character is "debugging" the MCP. TRON also has a mirror command "TROFF" - which sets the TRON flag off when done debugging.
Correct, was wondering what the presenter was on about, regarding elect-tron-ic. I remember using TRON on my ancient Atari computer.
In fact, in early versions of the script, the main character was referred to as “the electron man” and “TRON” derived from that.
I was going to describe the PDP-10 opcode coincidence, but a quick web search found this: www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=306929
I am pretty sure that the “Disney Studio Production Number” on the final shooting script was also 666.
@@octoberphoenix It's because it's pure coincidence. The director contradicts this myth in his commentary.
Haha I am not a computer geek at all, I almost fell asleep reading Brian's explanation.
The old Radio Shack TRS-80 basic language had TRON and TROFF that turned the tracer on and off
1 hour to remake a Tron shot? On your marks, get set, gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
A competition I'd love to see!
Definitely want a good shot so 4 hours
@@StartledOctopus Yeah, the Beeple and Valentine's day challenges were so great
Omg hi Harry I love your portal vids
Holy ravioli, you're here! I'm a fan
The original Tron wasn't nominated for special effects oscar because the academy thought using computers was "CHEATING".
Lol, they were ahead of their time
Really ?
Wow that's so stupid 😂😂😂😂
@@theonlycatonice musicians sometimes think that too. Unbearable.
Lmao
Tron legacy one of the most underrated movies ever. This movie was made in 2010... look at the visuals !!!! The soundtrack ... amazing art
That's how original Tron seemed to us back in the 80s
'Oh yeah 2010 that wasn't too long- it was fucking TWELVE YEARS AGO??'
The deagng effects looked like uncanny valley, but everything else looks amazing
Yeah, it looks like ass now and did at the time too.
Totally agree, has the greatest soundtrack of all time in my opinion, and one of my favorite movies
That moment when Tron said "I fight for the users" is the best line in the entire film.
First time I saw Tron Legacy I didn't really remember all that much the first movie and I didn't understand that part first time around. Only later I realised Rinzler was in fact Tron himself from the first movie that lost his memory... Im thinking Rinzler remembered who we was the same way Alita remembered who she really were in Alita: Battle Angel. When they were in danger and needed to fight for their lives they started remembering who they were before. Really cool thing they did here with Tron.
@@royliber3824 Yup, he redeemed himself.
Three lines in the entire second movie. Growls at people a lot. Best character in the franchise, change my mind
@@SWR_Quackula Four lines, he says “User” when Sam bleeds during the disk games.
It's Tronin time
"If you guys wanna see us try to recreate some shots from the original TRON..."
YES OH MY GOD YES PLEASE
YES PLEASE
HOW CAN I LIKE THIS COMMENT MORE!
I think they can create a new series of recreating old visual effects in a day. That's actually really interesting for me personally
ok i like
would be so cool
Redo the TRON shots! Or more, do your own TRON short film, Digital Corridor style!
I don’t think it’s possible to like this comment as hard as I did
Oooh YES! Yes to this!!
Yesss
YES!!
Please!
Tron Legacy is a movie that I’ll remember for my entire life. I loved the story, daft punk was amazing, and the vfx was incredible. The combination of these melded so well that too me Legacy was the perfect movie in many ways. I’ll never forget watching a light cycle slowly build up, the disc battles, the acrobatics Rinzlow did, and just the visuals.
I remember watching this movie for the first time with my dad and i will never forget that... To this day i don't think any movie came close to this one. Tron will always have a special place in my heart. :)
I think I saw it in the cinema first time around and I remember I was astounded by the amount of visual effects this movie had to offer. Everything looked just in place where it needs to be, the enviorment was very clean as you'd expect and the characters themselves were awesome. For me the highlight of the movie gotta be Zuse. The way he moves and talks, not even carrying that his creator came to visit and fight off the bad guys... Zuse simply enjoyed the show.
I only ever encountered bugs that were already present in the original release. Stuff like ragdolls going haywire and ships rising out of the ocean.
@@brickichabashira5133 I WATCHED IT WITH MY DAD TOO HAHA
The sad thing is that when the movie came out it was not allowed to be nominated for special effects as it was considered all computer generated and so it was considered not real art, oh and the suits in the original Tron were touched up by hand by artists painting frame by frame. It was the aiming for the future with the past and present techniques redefining special effects. Great video guys!
Which one, the original or the sequel?
@@FagatronUchiha The orginal! Too bad the Academy didn't think ahead that CGI becomes a core element in most film productions in the future. 😒
Unpopular opinion, Tron: Legacy was a good movie
Edit: Since this comment somehow managed to get popular so quickly and since there are a lot of replies, let me clarify that I'm talking about how Legacy wasn't exactly a box office bomb, but had a sequel get cancelled because the writers and Disney suits see that other similar films (an example being Tommorowland and maybe, yes I know its a stretch but maybe the new Star Trek Movies that had a similar style) did poorly. Having invested like 200 million into Legacy, Disney didn't want to follow us Tommorowland with a similar move that would cost more and do worse
I highly hope that they make a sequel that does the franchise justice, and one that is a visual masterpiece way ahead of its time like both other Tron movies were and are. Thank you for reading my rambling.
More like "Unknown opinion"
i fucking agree. i love tron legacy to bits. everything from the music to the weird de-aged jeff bridges. i love every single fucking bit of that movie.
One of my favorites
Ikr
People didn’t like it?
"If you guys want to see us try to recreate some shots from the original TRON and like document the process. Let us know in the comment section"
DEFINATELY YES
Heck yeah!
Yes yes yes yes
Please please please
Yes plz
Yes please!
Tron Legacy is one of my top ten favorite films purely for it's aesthetics. I've always found it to be one of the most beautiful films, visually, of all time.
Just watched it for the first time and don’t understand why this movie isn’t talked about more for what it accomplished visually. Reminded me a lot of bladerunner 2049 which I consider one of the best looking movies ever made
this is how i kind of feel about the speed racer movie.
Man, you guys can’t even imagine, I graduated high school in 81, we had Defender and PAC-MAN and *wBasic. Tron literally melted our brains right in the theater. Thanks for the memories.
Tron: Legacy will always be a god tier movie simply because of Daft Punk’s soundtrack being one of the greatest scores ever made.
I remember getting literal chills watching it for the first time in theatre when that intro piece started, and I still do every time I watch it. Daft Punk is incredible!
Ya damn right it is!
The music definitely sets the tone of the movie, it wouldn't be the same without Daft Punk.
I made the end credits music as my ringtone.
I get chills every time I hear End of Line start up on my play list. Fortunately, if we ever get a third movie, Daft Punk have said they'd be very interested in doing the OST.
"If you guys want to see us try to recreate some shots from the original TRON and like document the process. Let us know in the comments..."
*PLEASE YES*
Absolutely
yes👍
Yes yes yes, and yes again!
Would be very cool
Yessss
Seeing Tron in 1982 as a 14 year old boy, trust me, that was state of the art technologically on the big screen.
The thing I liked most about TRON LEGACY was the way how everything was neat and simple. And that dark neon like vibe like how you feel sitting alone at 3pm in your car listing to music while it's raining outside and you just want to sit back and forget everything and just enjoy that moment...that cold yet comforting hot feel. That was TRON LEGACY!
Daft Punk's music undoubtedly made Tron: Legacy so memorable to a lot of us
I still have their album for the movie, and the remixes, saved on my phone. I love that music.
Daft Punk isn't my favorite for no reason, and Tron is one of my favorite movies. It was a match made in heaven.
For real
There you are
Just Some Mustache Without a Guy but are you just some guy, or just A mustache??
I wrote code back in the 70’s and 80’s.
(0:44) it wasn’t “Tron” for electronic, Tron was a command code “Tron/Troff” stood for “Tron” Tracer-on, and “Troff” Tracer-off. Which back at that time (80’s when the movie was made), most code was written in some variant of basic for “high level” user code. When you ran a program it would stream the code on the screen as it ran, to show you what was going on when your system crashed due to whatever bugs was accidentally written in, so you could determine where the bad line of code was when it crashed.
It was a debugging feature.
In the movie Tron’s function was, to monitor what was going on and shut down any unauthorized activity (Allen’s program) which would and did take down the MCP which was hijacking the “System” which is why Tron was represented as a “warrior”, it’s sole purpose was tracking and taking down rogue code.
(Edited for typos)
This is accurate!
Best comment.
Noice
thought it would try and chip in with my experience writing BASIC on a Dragon 32 in the early 80s and using TRON and TROFF but you and @Michiel van den Broeke beat me to it! Kudos!
Damn
The original Tron is an underrated masterpiece in sci fi and was a technical achievement in filmmaking that I’m so glad is getting noticed more.
Even if the script itself isn't one of the most amazing ones, I still really want to watch it.
@@Mike14264 it isn't god mode like some of the other greats of the time, but still great.
@@user-js5wq4tk2v I did a while ago, and it's definitely a cult classic. While it's the kinda story I'd enjoy, I'm not too sure about what would be my family's opinion.
I feel like tron legacy was one of the best modern revivals I have ever seen. In 2023 this film still is just soooo good. The visuals and music's backgrounds are iconic.
This and Ghostbusters Afterlife
"If you guys wanna see us try to recreate some shots from the original TRON..."
Why is this a question?
Engagement, but I really wanna see that shit so I'll feed the algorithm.
@TwoCats Yelling As was mine! Hahha
I agree, why it is a question.
This is a big DESIRE
This is an answer! We need it
Right?! I want this 100%
Of course you GOTTA compare Bladerunner and Bladerunner 2049.
Triforcefilms lol first comment
YESSS
YES PLEASE. both are incredible movies
You beat me to it XD
Most of the original Blade Runner (cityscapes at least) was done with models. Not sure about the new one. Would be an interesting comparison though.
I always think it's ironic that to make the second Tron movie they had to scan Jeff Bridges into the computer and make a digital version of him.
i've heard some ppl saying Clu is kinda off, the CG is not 100% etc but I personally always thought that was kinda the point. Like, Clu is a program he's not meant to look exactly life like you know
@Robson Lima fairly certain it was also one of the first movies to do de-aging
Honestly Tron Legacy has now become an underrated modern classic
I just watched this for the first time under the assumption that it sucked. I can confidently say this movie the definition underrated
Whatever it's rated, it's rated too high.
@@thehmc no one asked 🙂
@@supergv2235 No one told you to have terrible taste and malfunctioning eyes, but here you are.
"I feel I could pump out a chunk of this whole scene in an hour..." We want to see that. Do it.
Unhing3d I hear a challenge for the team!
Seconded
I agree
I'd be interested in how one could replicate that old, rasterized look with modern software.
I kinda feel like that's a task like building a F1-rocket-engine that brought us to the moon... today.
Yeah, the tech is primitive by modern standards, but all the people who designed and built it are either retired or dead.
The only thing that's possible is to make an updated and streamlined version of it.
That makes me want to see it even more tho :D
Absolutely. This would be awesome.
Three things:
1) You neglected to mention how the original TRON was banned from the 1983 Academy Awards because the academy thought using a computer for effects was cheating.
2) I want to see the old and new Fahrenheit 451 compared.
3) I would LOVE to see you guys remake the lightcycle scene and document it.
TRON is one of my all time favorite movies. The sequel not so much.
oh how things have changed
Tr2n might be a worse story, but fuck me if that eye candy is not delightful, and Daft Punk's soundtrack is just god-level vibing
And as I didn't see or play og tron.
The new tron to me as a kid was hella fun, i really wanted a game on it or just be in their unique world.
I am working on their models next for sure and making something fun with neons
IHateNumbersOnNames I liked the actors as well. Solid cast, just a weaker storyZ
I should try watching TRON again. The first time I tried I remember it being pretty slow. I love Legacy personally but not for any story or plot reasons. Though it's not an awful story
TRON wasn't "e-lec-TRON-ic".
TRON was an acronym for 'TRace ON', which was the point of the TRON program: to trace security breaches in the MCP. The TRON command itself (along with TROFF, itself counterpart to disable the mode) was a debugging tool available in some early implementations of BASIC.
Yep this is where I knew it from - build in debug mode called TRON/TROFF TRace On/TRace OFF
*Trace on* you say...
_cue EMIYA remix_
@@nazrael8826 lmao
these dudes dont rreally put any effort into studying what these movies are about. They think the creators are more or less the same intelligence as what they can come up with off the cuff.. They dont realize the people that created the Tron imagery were creative and technological geniuses. basically took existing technology and programmed/rendered (there were no 3d programs to do anything!) what they needed to make their movie.
@@xpez9694 I googled it.
"TRON is also a debugging command in the BASIC programming language, meaning "TRace ON". However, Steven Lisberger has stated in interviews that he took the name from the word "electronic", and did not know about the BASIC command until later."
He seemed to really like the idea of an Electronic Warrior (Spartacus inspired) and Electronic World in his interviews. So I think Niko is right
1:15 - that fly-thru of the tron logo in the first film is still so well done some 40 years later - theres something about it that feels so massive and full of depth and yet its just a few layers
And The Matrix totally called it out.
PLEASE PLEASE recreate shots from the original TRON. Super please. Mega please.
Hey there Joel.!!
Yesss!!! I agree!! They would make it look so cool!
yes! i hope they do it! XD
PLEASEEEEEEE I NEED IT!!
I second that
Suggestion: Compare and contrast the VFX from the early and late Harry Potter Films.
Your Arrangements are awesome
and good suggestion :D
Id like to see Mars Attacks from 1996 or Starship Troopers
Hell, do a compare/contrast with the Weasley Twins' acting between the second and third films.
I'm happy I'm not the only one who wants the potter vfx looked at
What about ghost in the shell
I saw this with friends in the theater when it first came out. We were completely blown away. That first shot, when you descend down into the 3D world for the first time took my breath away. Nothing like it had ever existed before. This film is a legend.
Tron Legacy, the only film where you can say "too many practical effects, not enough green screen"
I disagree completely
@rattyeely I'm sure Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich would disagree with you, LOL!!!!
@@chj2 ...I'm not really getting either side of the argument, honestly.
nah
they used blue screens! 😉
You didn't mention of how Tron was denied an Academy Award for best special effects (didn't even get a nomination) because the Academy felt that using computer effects was "cheating".
You guys should totally re-create some Tron scenes.
I'd love to see Corridor Crew do a Tron side-story short film using the original art style with some of them acting in it. Even just a couple minutes of that would be so much fun!
djhenyo that would be awesome!
Totally!
Agreed!
Agree
The key to the Original Tron was that they made it seem like it had a lot more computer graphics in it than there really were. Most of the film is a hybrid of live action and traditional 2d hand drawn animation (with an emphasis on the backlit animation technique)
Something that always is failed to mention is the fact that Legacy came out right when the 3D craze was happening. IMO Avatar and Legacy are the 2 movies that really took advantage of this tech. Most other movies just throw it in as an afterthought, but Legacy and Avatar both feel like the directors wanted 3D the entire time, and certain scenes *really* benefit from it. Considering also that both Trons really focused on pushing CGI to their limits at the time, makes this really impressive.
Challenge: Recreate Tron 1 but with even better cgi.
Yeah, I want to see the bones of the original Tron, but maybe simple ways you could improve it with today's technology, even without spending a bunch of time.
Do it Corridor, you won’t
@@S1erra107 no balls
Better challenge - recreate scenes from Legacy with the classic Tron1 effects look
Yeah
So, about you guys recreating the bike scene: YES PLEASE
Make a competition out of it!
YEESSS
You talked the talk, now you have to walk the walk.
Don't be stingy Mark, let us see it.
@@ChrisPresnell Jeans everywhere!
Funny about 1982: Both TRON and Blade Runner were released then. TRON was the first movie to us CGI and Blade Runner was all done 'Thru the Lens' effects. I find it amazing how both these fantastic films have huge followings after having both sucked in the Box Office sense of films. Yeah, VHS/DVD had made a massive impact for this. Granted, Blade Runner had 5 different variants available. Love BOTH these movies for totally different reasons, yet loved their respective visuals. Thanks for posting this video. Take care, Mark.
Syd Mead designed most of the look and feel for both.
And slightly different premises but still SCI-Fi. They not illustrate Sci-fi, but one is robots and AI, the other is what we now call the Metaverse I would say.
The original Tron must've been breathtaking back in the day. It's still crazy looking and otherwordly today!
I honestly really like its style. Yes, the CGI may look quite dated, but it adds to the charm of "ultra advanced tech" in a decade that just wasn't ready for it. I especially like the many scenes when they mix the digital effects with the practical effects, it gives the world such a unique look...
It was. It blew people's minds in 1982 the same way Blade Runner did.
Looks like IRL cellshading now, still looks pretty cool
it was. as a kid ,it was sooooo crazy cool.
I saw it on the screen 4 times when I was 10-11 years of age. Now I am a starving digital artist.
Niko: If you guys wanna see--
Me: YES
Niko: I haven't fini-
Me: YESSSSSUUU
Tron: Legacy's soundtrack was on another level. Daft punk killed it!
It’s just perfect for that movie!
Like the movie Hanna and The Chemical Brothers
(The better electro duo :P)
I think it’s time to rewatch Tron
I agree, but Wendy Carlos is also a genius.
I was just thinking about that. This movie was so much better because of the soundtrack. So good, and I have so many of the songs/remixes from that score in my playlists.
THANK YOU, it irritated me so much that the guys didn't even mentioned the soundtrack. It is hands down up there in the top 10 OSTs of all time, in my opinion.
@@DarthBiomech Well, its a *VFX* Artists react, not a Audio Engineers react.
Granted, I wouldn't mind an episode with Foley artists and such reacting to movie sounds and soundtracks.
Tron Legacy blew 10 year old me away, and it still blows me away with the visuals. Idc what anybody says Tron Legacy is a great movie all around
TRON was so inspiring when it came out in 1982 to me as a kid. It just blew my mind and it still does. It is so obviously ahead of its time.
Random Trivia: The original Tron was disqualified for competing in the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects because the Academy at the time thought using computers was "cheating." Boy have times changed.
Speaking of comparing VFX, what of a Godzilla VFX comparison from the original to the latest Japanese and American takes?
Yes! That's such a good idea!
@@cooki3monstrrr Great idea! The first American version 1998 had really bad effects. I love the recent American films :)
Gojira vs Godzilla
This is a CGI comparison, not a SFX-to-VFX. The old Godzilla movies didn’t use CGI.
And remember when Life of Pi and Gravity won best cinematography? Lol
In Tron:Legacy, Flynn says he created a “new Grid” which is an excuse for the movie looking better and he “transferred tron from the old grid”
@Deep-fried Maio
They had a bad script for both films...
@@bobrew461 but it was a good excuse for cool vfx. There was talk about a 3rd film coming out even a decade later. And I'd watch that too, even if the story is just as bad, just for the vfx.*
*I just watched the remake and the story wasn't _that_ bad. It wasn't good, but I've certainly seen worse - much worse.
@@bobrew461 the second really wasn't bad. Pretty basic premise if you ask me with nothing much to mess up. The visuals and soundtrack were amazing
@@bobrew461 I think it's fairer to say that the first film's script/story was bad, whereas the second film's script/story wasn't as good as it should have been.
Another major reason why the second Grid is so different is that it was built ground-up from the inside.
The first grid was an ordinary computer system programmed by humans, while the second was designed by the programs themselves.
I was 11 when I went to see the original Tron. I was blown away. There was so much hype about the use of CGI used in this film and I was hugely into computers at the time. They had a certain mystery about their internal worlds which the movie totally tapped into for kids like me.
It's funny how the old one stood up there in the same level that the new one. Both are marvelous
The concept for the second movie was, “what if the world of TRON were left to evolve on its own for 30 years?”
Daily patches for 30 years.
"If it was red, it would be the gore-iest thing ever..."
R Rated Tron soon?
This
Oh yes. This has promise.
Peter is back right? ezpz
Tron: Legacy is probably one of my favorite films of the century so far. Critics and audiences may have slept on it, but its a gem and anyone looking deeper will see it. Not just the sophistry of Kevin "The Dude" Flynn, but how the film approaches the human condition seen through the lense of technology. Its a great bit of sci-fi.
The Speed racer film had some pretty insane CGI for when it was made and it takes a very unique stylized look without trying to emulate reality to much. Great watch.
It's fun how Tron wasn't nominated to Oscars because they thought using CGI was cheating.
The WHAT??!!
oh how far we've come since then...
What counted as VFX back then? Did the Academy only point to things like practical effects, matte paintings, compositing, and miniatures for the Visual effects Oscar?
@@duncanwade1026 pretty much yeah. Back then, they only gave out awards to practical effects because it was more impressive to do back in those days, even when computers were starting to learn how to do effects. That's why if you go search up past academy winners for vfx, a good chunk was done practically. It wasn't until Toy Story came out where they finally decided computer effects was considered Oscar worthy.. I'd highly recommend Burger Fiction's video to see where I'm coming from.
@@vladimiradidas1945 Toy Story (1995) wasn't nominated likely b/c it was classified as animation (though The Nightmare Before Christmas somehow was). Award winners during the 90s were Total Recall, Terminator 2, Death Becomes Her, Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump, Babe, Independence Day, Titanic, What Dreams May Come, & The Matrix. It's more that CGI in movies increased rather than the Academy not considering them.
Guys. Definitely recreate the Light Cycle scene.
Also, think of the "computer" as you put it not as a solitary machine, but as a network. Then think about how the first Tron was mainly functional, with little entertainment, and how the new one showed an evolved world with higher specs (processing, memory, etc) and more recreational functions, similar to how computing has evolved IRL...
It's pretty genius.
Yes, do it!
And another thing I liked about the original Tron was how the characters in the real life parts have counterparts from the grid, who are played by the same actors. They have similar duties, fight for the same causes but have a much bigger impact on events in the film as most of the movie takes place in the grid and revolves around software.
That's exactly how I saw the updated style in my head. Computers have revolved, so should how they feel when sucked inside of them!
The original Tron is epic and at the time it was amazing. Very underrated and under appreciated if you ask me. I still love watching it to this day.
8:45 shot is underwhelming in 2D but it might be my favorite shot of any 3D movie I've ever witnessed, was INSANE in IMAX!
Make the Tron: Legacy lightcycle scene in original Tron style.
Yes please!!
Oh HELL YEAH!!
Definitely!
I'd love to see you guys compare The Thing from 1982 and the prequel from 2011. perfect time for Halloweeeeeeen. I LOVE the idea of comparing old and new! this is a cool format haha
I love this idea BUT . . . the 'se-prequel' is almost entirely CG over the top of what was designed and planned to be physical effects. And the original has very few digital shots. The real story to me is about Carpenter's incredible rewrite of the original due to a huge scheduling break for their wintery locations, and the apparent Studio-meddling disaster of the se-prequel.
(PS: The Thing 1982 might is one of my favorite movies of all time)
Yes but that’s why they should compare. The practical beats the crap out of the sequel CGI.
What about taking it a step further and light Clint on fire once again to talk about the original from the 50's as well?
That’s exactly what I was thinking!
Woah The Living Tombstone!!!! ❣
1982 Tron’s visuals are absolutely breathtaking to this day. I saw it for the first time in 2019 and was flabbergasted. I wish a movie that looked like that would come out today. Tron Legacy looks great too but the aesthetic of 1982 Tron is from another universe it’s so cool
The original Tron film from 1982 was truly groundbreaking. More than some Generation Y and Z 3D artists spoiled by convenient tools, fast computers, real-time rendering and a 24/7 internet might realise.
1. It was the first full-length feature film to be heavily supported by rendered computer graphics. Before that, we only knew short, garish and strange demo films that dived deep into the uncanny valley.
2. What you see in the film in terms of effects and CGI stretched the possibilities of the time to the limit. And it was a cumbersome, tedious and certainly often frustrating pioneering work that even today does not get the recognition it really deserves. At the time, at least, it didn't get it, as far as I can remember as a contemporary witness.
3. The designs (set design, style, colours, costumes, vehicles) by Syd Mead, Moebius, Robert Abel and others were so groundbreaking and unique that even decades later they still inspire, influence and are quoted. In architecture (my field of activity), in design, in fashion, etc. Basically, it was also the first credible cinematic staging/visualisation of a cyberspace concept. For me, Tron is a design classic on par with 2001: A Space Odyssey, A Clockwork Orange and Blade Runner.
The film flopped because the audience (and also the professional critics) were far from ready for it. Just like Blade Runner. Tron visually irritated the mainstream audience and hit a society where very few people used computers or could associate anything at all with the concepts presented. The small, interested audience segment (new wavers, tech nerds, sci-fi & comic fans...) was in turn irritated by the somewhat too fairytale-like, cheesy story.
*SUGGESTION:* Remake the NEW Tron in the OLD style. Or remake a few scenes. but everything has to look like the old movie, not nessisarially completely old, but the retro aesthetic.
There’s a glimpse of that aesthetic with modern CG in Ralph Breaks the internet.
I really enjoyed your spelling of necessarily. Awkward word, like, is it one c or two? One s or two? I like your method. Just put all the letters in there and people will figure it out
I wish this every day, not just for Tron, but for classic Doctor Who, for Blake’s 7, for Star Wars, Star Trek… for the last one we have Star Trek Continues, that was fantastic, and proved it could work, but I want more.
At least we have the Mandalorian, that’s more original Star Wars then anything else in the past 30 years, but I want the visual equivalent of lo-fi hip hop, old look, new stories, modern production.
TRON: Legacy has some of the best CGI I've seen. Such a cool movie.
Somebody clearly hasn’t seen Sharkboy and Labagirl 🙄
@@salvulcano1665 Labiagirl?
@@salvulcano1665 😆😆😆😆
Sal Vulcano ah yes I remember the fantastic superhero movie, Sharkboy and Labagirl
@@Sssssnake Oh nooo!!!!!!
“I could do that in a day”
And so he did
FWIW: TRON means "trace on". Two commands TRON and TROFF were a part of Basic and old visual basic. It's clear this inspired Lisberger but the in universe meaning seems to be To Run On Nothing (video game 1982).
I'd love to see the older Blade Runner compared to Blade Runner 2049.
THIS^^
@@mitchreid7349 THIIIIIIIISSSSSS!!!!!
ditto!
@@sriharshakommana3878 NO >:(
The music of Tron: Legacy is so fucking good.
Honestly though lol I'd put on the movie just for the soundtrack sometimes
Daft punk!!!! Of course it would be amazing!
@@ThisIsTheEskimo same
One of my favourite soundtracks. It's even cooler when you notice that the orchestral music contrasts with electronic style music to represent the difference between the programs and the users.
Yeah, I love my complete 33 song soundtrack.
I never realized how complicated the effects were for back then
3:28 i love the little mickey mouse wearing a tron hat in the bottom left.
I saw this in IMAX, and the 3D didn't kick in until they went into the computer. So you're looking at this flat image, then all of a sudden once he started to transform, you're almost literally being pulled in with him. So rad.
Yup, they think it's boring because without 3D they're missing the best shot in the movie!
THIS WAS INSANE.I was forever changed.
The first time a disc popped out of the screen, my mind was blown. Looking back on the movie outside of the theater, the slow mo shots seem kinda forced, but inside the theater it's so cool everytime.
Tron: Legacy was the first time I successfully saw 3D in a movie. Anaglyph(red/blue) doesn't work on me, and my mind just quickly cycles between the red and blue images, slowly enough to be noticeable which one it's focusing on, but fast enough to be headache inducing. My partner at the time extolled how good clear glasses 3D was and convinced me to see Tron: Legacy in 3D.
...I actually, legitimately cried, several times, throughout the film because of how beautiful this digital world I felt I was _in_ was. I leaned away in shock at the screen coming towards me, flinched when the disc flew at me, then tried to reach up and grab it. Attempted to touch multiple things and apparently spent the film with an expression of pure wonder. I remember nothing but the crying(because it impeded my vision), and had to be told about it later, by my partner who had spent as much of the time in the cinema watching the movie as watching my reactions to it because apparently... Guy who has little to no depth perception in real life, cannot see more primitive forms of 3D, and is now experiencing _proper depth_ for the first time in his memory is an enjoyable thing to watch.
omg, i'd LOVE to see you guys remake tron scenes.
Also, what instead of old movie vs remake, what about old movie with far future sequel?
Mad Max series?
I'd love to see them do it too!
Just do it! Awwww yeah!
Hear hear!
But could they do it right? With all the imperfections, the right limited colors, grain ... ?
Blade Runner !
I saw the original in the movie theater with my dad in '82.
I was 14 when Tron came out - I went and watched it again and again. Really blew my mind, nobody had ever seen something like that.
YES RECREATE THE SCENE THAT WOULD BE SICK! or try and bring those OLD scenes into NEW cgi!!@
totally
Yeah, you should do it guys!
@@krriv or install armagetronad and just play that scene :D
YES. Give it a shot
Well, Tron 3 with Jared Leto is being made... Just wish it continued where Legacy left off, because god I love that movie with Sam's story. The aesthetic, Daft Punk's soundtrck, Olivia Wilde as Quora on that couch, literally art.
Thank you for the good news. I suppose it gives away how often I check movie news these days (that is to say, not often)... I thought it was still stuck in development hell. Disney was badly hurt by the pandemic (having to shut down Disney World for several months, among other things), and they need box office hits to get back on track. Tron 3 is almost a guaranteed success if they do it right, which is probably part of the reason they finally greenlit the project.
@@SpearM3064 Just way too late again for any consistency with the previous movies. The actors all moved on.
I could never relate to a comment more.
@@SpearM3064 don't get your hopes up too much, it's not been officially greenlit yet. Jared Letto just said that he's working on the project, that's all. No official word from Disney.
Sadly, we now live in the age of shitty story writing and shitty movie making, so they will screw this one up horribly I'm afraid. Movie makers just don't get trained properly anymore. They are employed on studios that just tell them one thing "it has to make as much as Avengers, make it produce 3 billion bucks!" They just pour a lot of money on it, but never talent, never skill and of course, never anything original, because that would be a risk. I'm sure they won't use the original cast, the won't care about the original story, but do something completely different ;-) *ARGHHH* They make movies today to make as much money as possible, not to make a piece of art, like it used to. That only focus on money destroys everything.
For all the stick that Tron Legacy got, I went to see it 3D in the cinema and whatever you thought of the plot, it looked and sounded wonderful.
Tron will always be a legend. My eyes hate me after I watch it lol but its just always amazing because it sets a mood. It draws you in.
One more thing about Tron Legacy: when it came out in IMAX 3D cinemas, the "real life" scenes were screened in 2D letterbox, then when you got into the "Tron world" the IMAX screen would be used fully and go 3D. It's one of the coolest uses of 3D I've seen, it was gorgeous viewed like that with the soundtrack exploding from huge speakers.
Also, the first Jumanji compared the newest ones could be cool
When I went and saw it in IMAX 3D, it actually had a message come up before the movie that mentioned that very thing!
First Man did the same thing when they landed on the moon, transitioning from the claustrophobic mayhem of inside the lander to the strange quiet expanse of the moon really felt like stepping onto another world!
@@LordJagd I love it when they do transitions like that while using IMAX, MI:4 did it when he walked up towards the edge of the open window, MI:6 when he ran out the plane, and again when he ran towards the helicopter near the end. First Man took me by major suprise, I forgot they filmed scenes in IMAX, so when that happened I immediately hit rewind. It's a very cool effect with the sound and camera being sucked out onto the Moon. 👌
new or old those guy can not do either one.. too lazy...
That's cool. Reminds me of how they filmed Wizard of Oz.
"Every...Single...Frame"...the moment you understand how hard they worked back then.
Watch some of the documentaries about it! Its really interesting how the filmmakers and CG techs got crash courses in how the other group functioned. Its kind of a miracle the original was made at all.
Yeah, but you gotta remember that everything's faster now. Kevin was trapped in a 80's computer. Sam was trapped in a newer system, much faster. You guys should remake the black hole opening. Remake it to what it'd be if the movie was made today.
also in the original Tron movie, the world inside the computer isn't a secret, so there's no reason to hide it. On the other hand, in Tron Legacy, the world of TRON is a mystery, so when he is beamed into the world it is done swiftly to not give away the mystery immediately, but rather let him explore his surroundings and slowly coming to the conclusion himself (and in extension us viewers too)
...that is some brilliant Fridge Logic, damn.
The game came after the movie. I was there, just so you know. I was living in Houghton Lake, Michigan at the time, and after work sometimes I would visit a hotel there that had the video game machine in their game lobby to play the game. Totally after I saw the movie in the theater when it was originally released. The video game was very cool - there was not only the motorcycle race game, but other aspects from the movie such as the spiders.
I remember when I saw TRON when it was orginally released in the theater, and - at the time - yes, it was awe-inspiring. By today's standards, it's genuinely primitive, but at the time, it was the cutting edge, and it was BEAUTIFUL!
By the way, I've been involved with computers since the 1970s, and graphics and games ever since, and I really enjoy your channel.
Hot take: I actually really enjoyed Tron: Legacy way more than the original, and wish they hadn't canceled the sequel
Same. There were reports last month that Tron 3 is back on the table, but I don't think Garrett Hedlund or Olivia Wilde are involved. Instead Jared Leto is attached to star.
its a fantastic movie to jump into for clips. Its a terrible film but it has so much going on aesthetically and its so rich with iconic imagery you cannot help but gawp at it and ride the soundtrack as you do it.
@@ClayMann Yea the story of the movie is pretty bad, but the visuals and soundtrack are really incredible. It's one of my favorite spectacle movies.
@@hawxchampion523 totally agree, well said.
The sequel is actually in production right now! I’m not sure if Wilde or Hedlund are coming back, but it’s apparently a direct sequel to Legacy
Bruh, Tron (2010) was the best action movie I had ever seen as a kid, it’s just so exciting and it really brought me into the story
Same.
Yesss!!! I felt the same way!
The sound track is SO good! It is perfect for it!
It impacted me so much as a kid. It was the reason I got into filmmaking. The 2010 version I mean
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I got to see the original in the theater back when it first came out and it was mind blowing! I was a fan of it for all my life and still am. When the sequel came out a friend of mine and I went to see it with the anticipation of what would the updated world look like as it would naturally progress. I.e. the technology and the graphics. Absolutely stunning and totally captured the essence of the original.
I think it's"TRON" because it was a command in the BASIC programming language. It was short for "Tracking ON", which is what Tron did in the movie.
I'm gonna disagree with Sam and Niko on this one, I think the look of Tron Legacy is just about perfect. I totally understand what you're saying about the raw, hand-crafted feel and the very hardware-oriented art direction, but Tron had to change its aesthetic because the aesthetics of computers themselves have changed. When you buy top of the line hardware now you don't get a gray block, an exposed circuit board, or anything resembling the original Tron aesthetic. What do you get? Sleek, black, LED, etc. Not to mention that the focus of computers has radically shifted from being about impressive hardware making things possible, to innovative software making things possible. All that said, I think Tron Legacy really captures the evolution of what computers are in the public consciousness compared to its 1982 predecessor.
I mean Kevin Flynn said it himself in the movie
He perfected the grid
I agree but technically Sam Flyn was placed in the 1980's computer so the look would still be the same as the first tron movie. glad they didnt tho.
Well put. I love Tron (1st gen Tron fan) but Tron Legacy distilled that look. I wish there were more 1:1 examples of the two worlds other than the vintage cycle and the recognizer.
I love the O.G. movie amd liked the new one, that being said, i never actually thought of it that way. That actually makes sense and kind of improves it for me just a little more. I'm gonna watch it again with this in mind
I agree with you
0:50 TRON was not because of "elec-TRON-ic." TRON is actually a computer intruction: TRace ON. It was meant to reveal what was happening within the computer system as the program code was running. From TRON to the end of that function, the screen would show things like registers, variables, etc. To end that function, a programmer would issue TROFF.
So, Tron could be meant to reveal anything in the system which was happening that shouldn't. After speaking with Flynn (because he triggered a system alert by trying to hack into "The System"), Alan engaged Tron to find out what was happening and to fight the big "MCP" (Master Control Program - the main villain of the movie).
Also, Jeff Bridges' "program" in the beginning of the original Tron Movie was named, CLU. So, he was attempting to reveal "clues" as to who the actual programmer was for the games that Dilinger took credit for (and made all kinds of money)... even though it was Flynn who programmed them.
Also, the Tron game cited was one of two which came out after the movie. The classic four-game arcade and Tron Disc.
Plus the actors said that they never appreciated color more than when they left the studio after a day of shooting... since everything on the sets was black-and-white. They said the night lights and displays were overwhelming :-)
That actually is really, really cool!
Now THIS was a well of information! Thank you so much, I really didn't know much of it. :)
Tron and Discs of Tron are both playable in MAME, the arcade machine emulator.
Nerd
Didn’t read all of it
The Tron directors had some massive balls to never cut back to the real world from Jeff Bridges getting sucked in to the last minute of the film. You'd think they would add a few scenes to save on budget, but they went as hard as they could.
I know a lot about Tron, but I learned a lot from this! Thanks for doing this. (Also, the "pixel cubes" are voxels!) I love the effects of both of these films.
yes, yes, yes, yes, a trillion times yes. recreate the tron scenes.
huge fan of the movies. love to see an adaptation of the Corridor Crew.
Yup yup a challenge amongst the crew. who ever can create the best recreate of the retro tron race
Actually, I'd rather see them each tackle a different scene.
YAASSS
For Tron: Legacy the entire beginning of the movie is in 2d until Sam Flynn gets into The Grid then it switches to 3d. This is how I first saw it in theaters. That was a wow moment for me.
Kinda like Wizard of Oz being all black-and-white until she gets to Oz?
@@A.F.Whitepigeon yeah just like that actually
@@A.F.Whitepigeon I don't remember James Franco being a *"she"*
I totally forgot about that !
@@Kujo_Saitama I think you're thinking of the wrong Wizard of Oz movie.
No, TRON was a command in IBM in the 1960s that meant Trace On (TRON) that allowed the programmer to monitor the program as it was being executed so errors could be found (and, yes, there was a TROFF - Trace Off). So, TRON was monitoring the Master Program to try to find out how to intervene and stop it.