Give it some years prices go down, in retired from downhill a friend that still compete was talking about this the other day How top dogs where more tec than actual skill now i get it
2:51 80 calculations in a blink? I laughed since I can only imagine it's talking to itself: should I open? should I close? open? semi? open? close? ... 😄😂
I’m a middle aged guy who has worked hard enough to be able to afford luxuries like this. Yes, I get that the price is daunting. Yes, I get that electronic, adaptive suspension on an MTB is unnecessary but it is pretty damn cool. My cars have adaptive suspension, so why not my bike?
Very well presented! I added a power meter to my Trek Slash Flight Attendant last week, and the changes are; increased change tempo, front rear splits, and of course more user data. Much more dialed suspension.
Please, please do a review where you just leave the system in open go for a hard, hilly, tech ride for an hour and then turn the system on and do the same course. Give yourself a day of rest between runs so fatigue is less of an issue. Were you fast with the system on? Did you expend less energy on the climbs and the entire ride. Thanks!
Can this electronic wizardry also control the Reverb AXS seat post to drop or raise the saddle automatically depending on your position/speed/power output?😂
my bike scott spark 2023 team issue did pre order the flight attendant only front suspension since the scott frame wont be able to put the rear shox since its just only front flight attendant shox i can have, i assume that there will be no automatic system will happen since the brain is all in the rear shox.. what are your thoughts?
@@peterfreeman3317 You will be disappointed then. Scott are only selling the FA as part of a full bike (that has the modified frame to access the Scott specific FA shock) , currently with two models: SCOTT SPARK RC WORLD CUP EVO (EU) / SCOTT SPARK RC WORLD CUP (EU) that are listed but not available yet.
To me there seem to be two groups for this. 1. Sponsored racers and 2. People rich enough that they pretend to be sponsored racers. I'm not denying the tech is interesting, but I'll leave this the wealthy early adopters and race teams.
It all depends on your priorities. If you're driving a car worth more than $10k while complaining about bike costs, I'd definately say it's a priority issue.
on the right side of the cockpit is the shifter for derailleur and the left side is the manual remote for flight attendant. my question is where do you put the paddle shifter for the axs reverb seatpost in the cockpit?
If you've got two Pod Controllers, there are four buttons in total. Using the AXS app, you can assign whatever function you like to each button. For my setup I have the right hand controller set up for shifting the derailleur up and down the cassette. The left hand controller then activates the Reverb AXS dropper using the lower button, while the top button engages the Override mode for Flight Attendant, which in my case is a dual lockout. Hope that helps explain! [Wil]
Doctors don’t make crazy money like they used to, too many college loans and house payments. They don’t spend like they did 30 years ago. Lawyers…no thanks. Dentists, if they ride and, spend BIG money on bikes. They make stupid money.
You don't need to make $200k+ to afford a $3k suspension upgrade. I see the masses dropping that on new wheels and tires for their $45k+ truck every day. They aren't making serious money either. If cycling and mountain biking are your thing, why not enjoy it to the fullest?
This looks pretty cool. *But then I realised...* Today, after spending a couple of hours last night getting my watch to speak to my current Garmin and Strava accounts, and getting the current accounts to speak to each other and making sure it's all working in synch with my iphone, ipad, laptop and cadence sensor, I set off on an epic ride. Forgot to put my watch on. *...I don't think this is meant for me.*
Technically the only difference with a Flight Attendant fork is the module at the top of the damper. RockShox sells the Flight Attendant damper separately, so you have the option to plonk one in to an existing fork rather than having to buy a whole new one. Conversely, if something went wrong with the FA damper, you could remove it and replace it with a regular Charger damper. I'm not sure why RockShox would stop supporting the software, as we understand the Flight Attendant family is going to be expanding significantly in the future. Though even if it did for some reason, the forks wouldn't be unusable as you could always fit a regular Charger damper if you wanted. And as mentioned in the video, without a battery fitted both the fork and shock simply operate as normal in a fully open position. You'd of course lose the Pedal/Lock settings, but neither would be unusable. It's also worth noting that the service procedures are identical between the Flight Attendant forks and shocks, and the regular non-Flight Attendant versions. Seal kits, oils and spare parts are the same, and so are the recommended service intervals. Hope that helps explain, but just yell out if you've got any questions! [WIl]
i can't wait to get a microchip installed in my head, then i can just sit and do nothing and make the bike ride for me. data data data data data data . thank god for Ultra Romance, the bicycle industry is going the wrong way fast
I would never see myself buy this, just like any electronic shifter, no matter the price. I love my bikes to be without any batteries, except for my Garmin computer and thats enough. In a world where everyone needs to think about their choices with regard to climate change and a not forever lasting supply of raw materials we really dont need more added batteries and computers to bikes.
You need to ride AXS…especially the 2nd gen. Wow. Absolutely incredible shifting. 2nd Gen was a HUGE step up from Gen 1. I have both on 2 different bikes.
You can buy the most expensive bicycle with all the latest bells and whistles. Spend even more money on gimmicks such as this one but at the end of the day, you still have to pedal your bike til you drop. Cycling nowadays has become a pissing contest on who’s got deeper pockets or higher credit card limit. I wised up and stopped spending too much money on my bicycle and bought a Kawasaki ZX6R, it’s faster, way cooler and can go to far away places without breaking a sweat.
I guess it depends on your perspective. You can get a Flight Attendant fork and shock for $3,700 which isn't that much more than a RockShox Boxxer Ultimate fork on its own. [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam My perspective as a bike workshop owner is that it's just a bit much in general. I Love that it exists, but I ponder if it is really necessary. The people who it is most useful for are going to be the people who would be put off by the price. One of the best pieces of advice on riding I've heard is to 'look up', so you're prepared for what's coming. I feel that without some kind of lidar sensor it's always going to be a step behind. I will finish this off by saying I haven't ridden it and am open to having my mind changed.
Another product that doesn’t solve any issues that isn’t even an issue to begin with. People are not constantly changing their fork or shock settings as they’re riding just to go over some different to rain. If y’all think you need us, you should probably get the trust message fork too
Good news! RockShox offers exactly the same fork and shock in a regular cable-operated version, and non-remote versions as well, so you have options if you don't want Flight Attendant. [Wil]
Cool ecosystem, but soon it will know how much money you have in your bank account and adjust suspension according to that
Enjoy riding your rigid bike when you can't afford your subscription.
Give it some years prices go down, in retired from downhill a friend that still compete was talking about this the other day How top dogs where more tec than actual skill now i get it
@@crankshoptv Right lol, sorry guys i cant shred today i missed my suspension payment plan
@9:05…they need to do the valving with magnetorheological fluid rather than mechanical valves.
2:51 80 calculations in a blink? I laughed since I can only imagine it's talking to itself: should I open? should I close? open? semi? open? close? ... 😄😂
I’m a middle aged guy who has worked hard enough to be able to afford luxuries like this. Yes, I get that the price is daunting. Yes, I get that electronic, adaptive suspension on an MTB is unnecessary but it is pretty damn cool. My cars have adaptive suspension, so why not my bike?
Very well presented! I added a power meter to my Trek Slash Flight Attendant last week, and the changes are; increased change tempo, front rear splits, and of course more user data. Much more dialed suspension.
Thanks mate, that's awesome to hear that your Slash is going well with the powermeter update! [Wil]
Great Review ....bought the Epic 8 with Flight Attendant and it is God Smackingly Impressive ...
Please, please do a review where you just leave the system in open go for a hard, hilly, tech ride for an hour and then turn the system on and do the same course. Give yourself a day of rest between runs so fatigue is less of an issue. Were you fast with the system on? Did you expend less energy on the climbs and the entire ride. Thanks!
I follow all your reviews with great interest; they are really very good. Greetings from Spain.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoy our reviews! [Wil]
I cant wait for the coil Version man so hyped.
Another fantastic review. 👏👏👏
Cheers mate, thanks for watching and for the feedback! [Wil]
Can this electronic wizardry also control the Reverb AXS seat post to drop or raise the saddle automatically depending on your position/speed/power output?😂
I'm sure you could programme it to go up and down really quickly if this is what you are into
it drops automatically when you stop in front of your Porsche
I usually don’t use sram stuff but this in an xc Szenario sounds just perfect!!
my bike scott spark 2023 team issue
did pre order the flight attendant only front suspension since the scott frame wont be able to put the rear shox
since its just only front flight attendant shox i can have, i assume that there will be no automatic system will happen since the brain is all in the rear shox..
what are your thoughts?
Nino rides FA…fork and rear suspension. Just saw photos on FB. I hope they come out with a kit so I can upgrade my 23 Spark RC fork & shock.
@@peterfreeman3317 You will be disappointed then. Scott are only selling the FA as part of a full bike (that has the modified frame to access the Scott specific FA shock) , currently with two models: SCOTT SPARK RC WORLD CUP EVO (EU) / SCOTT SPARK RC WORLD CUP (EU) that are listed but not available yet.
To me there seem to be two groups for this. 1. Sponsored racers and 2. People rich enough that they pretend to be sponsored racers.
I'm not denying the tech is interesting, but I'll leave this the wealthy early adopters and race teams.
It all depends on your priorities. If you're driving a car worth more than $10k while complaining about bike costs, I'd definately say it's a priority issue.
on the right side of the cockpit is the shifter for derailleur and the left side is the manual remote for flight attendant.
my question is where do you put the paddle shifter for the axs reverb seatpost in the cockpit?
If you've got two Pod Controllers, there are four buttons in total. Using the AXS app, you can assign whatever function you like to each button.
For my setup I have the right hand controller set up for shifting the derailleur up and down the cassette. The left hand controller then activates the Reverb AXS dropper using the lower button, while the top button engages the Override mode for Flight Attendant, which in my case is a dual lockout.
Hope that helps explain!
[Wil]
that is very helpful tip.. does it need a blip box to integrate all in the app?
No blip box needed! [Wil]
Does anyone know if flight attendant can work with cannondale lefty fork *KR**
SRAM really know their customer base! Lawyers and Doctors
Don’t forget dentists!
Doctors don’t make crazy money like they used to, too many college loans and house payments. They don’t spend like they did 30 years ago. Lawyers…no thanks. Dentists, if they ride and, spend BIG money on bikes. They make stupid money.
You don't need to make $200k+ to afford a $3k suspension upgrade. I see the masses dropping that on new wheels and tires for their $45k+ truck every day. They aren't making serious money either.
If cycling and mountain biking are your thing, why not enjoy it to the fullest?
I just want a digital remote lockout lever 😂
This looks pretty cool. *But then I realised...*
Today, after spending a couple of hours last night getting my watch to speak to my current Garmin and Strava accounts, and getting the current accounts to speak to each other and making sure it's all working in synch with my iphone, ipad, laptop and cadence sensor, I set off on an epic ride.
Forgot to put my watch on.
*...I don't think this is meant for me.*
I hear you :-)
It sounds kind of complicated for me. I want to ride it though
Great forks that will be essentially unusable when they stop supporting the software.
Or when the battery runs out mid bike ride. Wonder what mode it will go in then, but you wont be able to change it anymore.
@@BikingNL000 8:12
@@BikingNL000 you have not watched a video, haven't you?
Technically the only difference with a Flight Attendant fork is the module at the top of the damper.
RockShox sells the Flight Attendant damper separately, so you have the option to plonk one in to an existing fork rather than having to buy a whole new one.
Conversely, if something went wrong with the FA damper, you could remove it and replace it with a regular Charger damper.
I'm not sure why RockShox would stop supporting the software, as we understand the Flight Attendant family is going to be expanding significantly in the future. Though even if it did for some reason, the forks wouldn't be unusable as you could always fit a regular Charger damper if you wanted. And as mentioned in the video, without a battery fitted both the fork and shock simply operate as normal in a fully open position. You'd of course lose the Pedal/Lock settings, but neither would be unusable.
It's also worth noting that the service procedures are identical between the Flight Attendant forks and shocks, and the regular non-Flight Attendant versions. Seal kits, oils and spare parts are the same, and so are the recommended service intervals.
Hope that helps explain, but just yell out if you've got any questions!
[WIl]
@@funLad80 i commented while watching the video. I saw that one minor detail later. Still i dont see myself using it
i can't wait to get a microchip installed in my head, then i can just sit and do nothing and make the bike ride for me. data data data data data data . thank god for Ultra Romance, the bicycle industry is going the wrong way fast
This bike with the so called "flight attendant" 😂😂... Is the price of a car. Made for the rich only. Absolutely stupidly expensive.
I dunno, one crash and there goes your electronics and you are still 50 km from home with a 1000m of climbing ahead 🙈. I’ll stay with analog thanks
that bike costs more than my car
I would never see myself buy this, just like any electronic shifter, no matter the price. I love my bikes to be without any batteries, except for my Garmin computer and thats enough. In a world where everyone needs to think about their choices with regard to climate change and a not forever lasting supply of raw materials we really dont need more added batteries and computers to bikes.
You need to ride AXS…especially the 2nd gen. Wow. Absolutely incredible shifting. 2nd Gen was a HUGE step up from Gen 1. I have both on 2 different bikes.
You can buy the most expensive bicycle with all the latest bells and whistles. Spend even more money on gimmicks such as this one but at the end of the day, you still have to pedal your bike til you drop. Cycling nowadays has become a pissing contest on who’s got deeper pockets or higher credit card limit. I wised up and stopped spending too much money on my bicycle and bought a Kawasaki ZX6R, it’s faster, way cooler and can go to far away places without breaking a sweat.
Bit much though innit.
I guess it depends on your perspective. You can get a Flight Attendant fork and shock for $3,700 which isn't that much more than a RockShox Boxxer Ultimate fork on its own. [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam My perspective as a bike workshop owner is that it's just a bit much in general. I Love that it exists, but I ponder if it is really necessary. The people who it is most useful for are going to be the people who would be put off by the price. One of the best pieces of advice on riding I've heard is to 'look up', so you're prepared for what's coming. I feel that without some kind of lidar sensor it's always going to be a step behind. I will finish this off by saying I haven't ridden it and am open to having my mind changed.
God, just do a series on trail builders, sanctioned and not……
Screw the constant boring, expensive tech…….
Another product that doesn’t solve any issues that isn’t even an issue to begin with. People are not constantly changing their fork or shock settings as they’re riding just to go over some different to rain. If y’all think you need us, you should probably get the trust message fork too
Good news! RockShox offers exactly the same fork and shock in a regular cable-operated version, and non-remote versions as well, so you have options if you don't want Flight Attendant. [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-camthanks for the dose of sanity, Wil. Folks are reacting to Flight Attendant like it’s a zero sum game.