If you are have a built account, metawise, it is better to have a good E1 than two E0s. There is only so many characters that are going to perform high level.
@@mediumsurmoon6283 If you want variety then more characters are better. However, I accidentally pulled an E2 Firefly because I got 2x in an early 10 pull after getting her once as a f2p. The difference between her and everything else on my account is absurd. It's not something like 30% stronger but more like 200% stronger than most of my best teams with 1/10 the investment of my best teams in terms of relics. Firefly Super Break became my most powerful team within a few weeks of farming as opposed to months. It was the first time I had ever been able to 0 cycle using a normal team with a sustain. In the past I struggled to clear each MoC in 5 cycles. If you just want to clear then maximizing a few teams to high power will get you very far while having a wide variety might not. It also forces you to spend resources building characters rather than making existing characters stronger.
0:00 Character #1 1:32 Character #2 3:55 Character #3 5:14 Character #4 7:16 Character #5 7:48 Other extra characters I'm going to throw in my own opinion on my favourite character, and that is E1 and E2 Firefly! E1 turns her from one of the highest SP consuming to one the lowest, and E2 is a huge damage spike! Firefly is the only DPS where I recommend the Eidolons over Sig Light Cone
Black Swan needed to be in this. She is coming next banner and she gains A LOT from both eidolons and lightcones. E1 is a massive boost for her and her own lightcone is only marginally behind Jiaoqiu's one.
Yeah I was waiting for him to talk about Black Swan E1 because that's the Eidolon that I actually wanted to pull on the rerun banner. Was considering whether it's still worth to pull or not at this point, interesting that he didn't touch about it.
Black swan, firefly and probably more. "Quality content that's straight to the point" but that's exactly what this channel is missing. Often quick with posts and has good information but lacks planning, scripting, and sectioning which end up with decent amounts of time wasting and lacking information.
Robin e1 definitely worth. Also if you really want to build into follow-up, get Topaz’s e1s1. I got her e0s0 on her first banner then got her e1 s1 on her rerun and she is like a completely different character.
@@p1p3B0mber No. He doesn’t follow up and the rest of the team is built to get something out of teammates attacking often. So even if his debuff was stronger than hers, the whole team would run worse. Not to mention he does no damage before e2 where Topaz at e1s1 does decent damage.
Firefly's E1 and E2 Immediately shifted her playstyle for me. Firefly's Enhanced Skill ignores DEF and will not consume Skill Ponts. This makes SP-management a lot more manageable. (I'm also biased as shes my only Limited 5 Star E6) But E1 or E2 on Firefly Best stopping point for spenders. Firefly can now get extra turns if she defeats an enemy or inflicts Weakness Break. ( I just don't know which one to state as its correct she's a DPS and Supports are better to invest in than DPS units.
@@dplayer2693e1 is food for MoC and apoc. But she is not good at PF. E2 though makes her carry in PF. I personally struffle wifh PF more than MoC so yeah.
Just dont pull for every character that comes out and youll have savings to use on good eidolons. Im f2p myself and am guaranteed robin e1 when her banner drops.
Not to mention that its 200 if your lucky If you lose your 50/50 back to back like it happened to me to its 300. Never taking this gamble again. Its was google play store money so the thing i could spend it on was limited but it still hurt. Cant imagine how pissed I would be if its wasnt money from a gift
@@PajamaDedoAgreed! Sparkle's Lc is underrated as a stat stick. It allows us to min-max crit to hit higher dmg ceilings. My Acheron has 56/269 crit outside battle but 100/410 in battle because of Sparkle. Also at e2 she has 100% uptime on 24% def ignore, 40% attack, 48% dmg after the 1st ult for the whole team. Sparkle is insane at E2S1, and will only get better in the future.
@@1993bassmasta She just does so much you can have almost everything in her kit. 1. 3 turns to get the ult 2. Buffs ATK 3. DMG bonus buff 4. CR and CD 5. Advance forward 6. Better SP economy allowing more units in the team to get their ult up faster since they can use skills more. But the game is changing into a dual dps meta at the moment so we'll see where the future meta goes. When she reruns again I'm def getting her E2, it's broken to pair up with Robin fr fr
@@unreachableforme I'd prob just go for her E1 rather than E1S1, since I still need to pull Moze a couple of times and I'm hella broke on jades anyways, tho I am on my 77th pity. Hope I win the 50/50 😅
So, in short: Acheron E2S0 Robin E1S0 Jiaoqiu E2 Ruan Mei E1S0 Imbibitor E2 Jade E1 Topaz & Numby E1S0 (I know he said they don't their light cone, but it's pretty useful in other FUA Hunt Characters) Kafka E2S0 Fu Xuan E0S0 I know he also said some characters need S1, but from a F2P POV looking to begin vertical investment S0 is expensive enough already :v I also didn't note down Jingliu's cause I believe we'll get a stronger Ice DPS before or close her rerun anyway
Absolutely - having a big ult shield is massive for emergencies. The team crit damage is nice too. His E2 and S1 is also insane for Acheron/ Ratio teams with every action (except skill which he never uses) applying debuffs, on top of just being a generally nice little extra team damage increase. So much nice early investment on an already top tier sustain. I have aventurine, FX, Huohuo and Gallagher all built for a variety of situations yet my teams all usually end up fighting over aventurine.
As someone who came back towards the end of Sparkle’s first banner and meeting Acheron instantly enjoying her character. I did swipe for E2S1. The power she gave to my account was insane. Even with all the bonus top up at the time I got extremely lucky with her pulls. I need to stop spending on this game 😭
Feels like you missed Jade's E1; it makes her playable on entirely new teams! Similar power-bump to Acheron's E2 (although of course on a less overpowered character). It really turns Jade into a universal unit, instead of one dedicated only to Pure Fiction.
E1 Black Swan (before S1 because of Sampo LC being very good on her) and E1 Yunli (after S1) are also very good eidolons to aim for. Imo when it comes to Crit % LC's and E1-2 on dps, i will personally priorities crit stats first for a good balance then the eidolons if they are worth it (and if ressources/luck allow to aim for E1-2)
As an E6S2 Acheron player I can confirm that you should not E6 a character. Money aside, it makes a character so broken that you arent even playing the game anymore at that point and makes things boring and trivial. I auto Aventurine MOC 12 to get the jades then go back and play with other characters for fun and challenge. E0S1 and enjoy more characters. The trace levelling and relic farming is a horrific experience and needs refinement that hoyo seem to have addressed by adding more to the characters they release to be less dependent on the relics.
Honestly, I’m so happy I got Fu Xian’s LC bc I think there are plenty of times where my skill is lacking, but Fu Xuan carries my team sustain LOL Again, not necessary, but if you aren’t the best player (aka me) it has made life easier multiple times no doubt! I also used a fair bit on Seele too, but if I didn’t pull her I wouldn’t still be playing so.. I guess thank you Seele even tho I never use you anymore 😢 Thank you EoD for this video!! It’s nice to have these videos every so often bc I’m def more of a vertical player!
Love this content, thanks EoD. Not enough CCs make content helping deep vertical investors so it's super helpful to see you breakdown and compare eidolons.
I started actively playing around 2.1 at Acheron's release, before that it was just the inbox gifts & free 10 pulls every patch which gave me my DHIL at 9 pity after a 50/50 loss. Sadly I lost Acheron's 50/50 n went with Jingliu as I needed another DPS for early game. No regrets there. Since, I need Acheron & Aventurine both, Eidolons & Sig LCs are out of scope for me. Still I hope one day I can go for them.
I am extremely tempted by pulling 2 extra Robins for her E4 that gives cleanse and 50% effect res. It combined with Aventurines shields 50% effect res would make my FUA core so resistant to debuffs.
BlackSwan E1 element res reduce is great especially for DoT but I use her with Kafka LC in Acheron team so lightening res reduce is up almost all the time. Firefly E1 and E2 are both great. E1 eliminate skill point issue so other unit can skill more for more ult and E2 is free turn when kill/break enemies
Another thing to consider for Eidolons in my opinion is that they are mainly there to offset gearing and team building. You don't need as good gear/teams on an E2 Firefly or Acheron as you do at E0S0. Most DPS nowadays come with an Eidolon that increase CR/CD or gives Defence Down. It allows them to do more damage with lower gear/team investment.
I went E2S0 FF as full F2P and also don't regret it. But I had to also go for E0S0 RM on FF's banner cause I didn't have RM at the time. It costed a total of 300+ pulls, so it was pretty painful at the time. But I had gone E2 Kafka before (again, as pure F2P) and I totally regretted that, cause Black Swan was the very next banner after Kafka's rerun back then, so I couldn't pull for Black Swan after. That Kafka rerun banner was the reason I could save up 300+ pulls as pure F2P for eventual FF + RM banner though, cause that Kafka situation put me in such a bad spot I didn't wanna pull for a long time, lol.
This is something I'm actually interested in knowing! I'm a light spender and prefer to vertically invest now that I've built the units I've wanted. I've gotten Eidolons only for two supports (e.g. Ruan Mei and Huo Huo) but decided to avoid their S1 as I already have S5 copies of 4-star LCs that do more than enough. Acheron's E2 is pretty busted, but I also fear it'll make the game even easier than it already is. LOL My Crit Rate isn't the best so I'm planning on at least E1 and maybe E2 another time. The general consensus seems to be that Robin is best for her E1 also for many teams, so if I'm lucky, I'm hoping to get that later on.
Just to note, but if you are switching to vertical investment, then you will be able to spend more resources on getting better relics for the chars you vertically invest in. It kind of goes hand-in-hand.
Huohuo E1 is a game changer for her, because it makes her skill point positive. E1 effect - The duration of Divine Provision produced by the Talent is extended by 1 turn(s). When Huohuo possesses Divine Provision, all allies’ SPD increases by 12%.
I feel like u giving the E1 to a harmony is more worth it. Honestly, we are at a point of the game where a lot of people are using no sustainers to clear hard contents like MOC faster.. I see the future of healers in the game going down as more F2P accounts get stronger and stronger
@@RumbaRumbaDa Unlike most sustainers Huohuo ultimate gives the team attk boost and Energy Regen. People still clear the hardest content with Huohuo. Getting the E1 gives some breathing room for the team.
@@aaronmorgan5860definitely but it's not like her buff can be compared to any other harmony character if you're just looking for a buff just get a harmony but if you need ER too ye she's needed
@@source324 True. Harmony is always better. It just sometimes we want a little buff for our team while we are waiting for that important E1. Assuming we have the resource to do so.
@@RumbaRumbaDaas someone who has E2 sparkle/ Robin and E1 RM, I can say E1 huohuo was definitely one of my best valued eidolons. Getting bigger boosts from the others is great but huohuo gives a much bigger team improvement if it stops them running out of SP. Like DoT (her BiS team) absolutely eat skill points, especially with Jiiaqiu in place of an S1 RM. The speed is also amazing for meeting dot team breakpoints (especially if you swap RM for jiaoqiu to free her for break, losing her speed talent, but stacking with hers also makes speed requirements way easier to hit). I will say the harmony eidolons are more universal though and huohuo’s is only valuable until she loses her spot in dot to a dot sustain. Most teams aren’t as desperate for sp as Kafka/BS and if you swap swan for JQ instead of RM then extra skill points just aren’t needed, at which point it becomes a speed/ QoL eidolons.
Ok so, E2 Robin is really good because it gives 16% SPD for entire team and its huge. Also E1 Huohuo is even better, it makes her skill last for 3 turns, it changes the way you play her, you always want to have skill turned on. Also 12% SPD boost is insane. With lacking healer options in game its easily best E1 in the game for me. After it Robin E1 and then Ruan Mei E1 just because of the dmg boost. E2's are other story tho, there are some op ones like acheron you mentioned
Since you mentioned kafka, I was curious about black swan eidolons/LC. I think its interesting to discuss because theres so many LC options, and even JQ light cone, and confusing on how much black swan vertical investment affects overall dot team dmg vs kafka investment
I would argue that Topaz s1 gives more value than her e1 because you can give the lightcone to Hunt March 7th or Moze, which opens up some interesting teams by allowing them to provide debuffs for Ratio or Acheron when the enemy isnt weak to fire and the extra crit damage from the lightcone isnt restricted to follow up attacks. Enabling more team combos is far more valuable than a plain damage increase because even an e6 does absolutely nothing if the unit isnt on the team.
I just found out your channel recently and I have to scroll through a lot of old videos to find whether e1 or s1 on certain character is good.(I screw up pulling for firefly and ruan mei sig instead of their e1) Edit: okay ig ruan mei sig is not bad since I have HMC and only 1 s5 memory Edit 2: Is Sparkle's or Jiaoqiu's sig worth pull for? I was about to pull for Sparkle's this banner, but Robin is next banner so I have to skip. So idk if they are worth pulling for later.
I've been starting to collect harmony eidolons lately. Went for Ruan Mei E1 on her rerun cause I had quite a lot of jades saved up. I chose that over E1 Firefly, which I would have also wanted. Then it happened again on Feixiao's banner, I won the 50/50 so I decided to see if I could snag E1 Robin with the little jade I had left and got hella lucky and got it at 20 pity! Sparkle... nah, mine is already a monster at E0S0 with my 167 spd 4 Eagle S5 DDD setup, and I'd have to go all the way to E2 to make it worth it. The only other limited character eidolon I have is E1 Jingliu, and I got that greeding for Tingyun eidolons on her original banner also at like sub 20 pity. I'm a $5/mo player who has never topped up, so it isn't only dolphins and whales that can think about limited eidolons. Though I have been getting pretty lucky I will admit (E5 Bronya and still haven't gotten Yanqing and only 1 Bailu lol!)
Hm... if you are F2P, consider the probabilities. Going for Eidolons is spending your rare Jades into 1 character whereas, by pulling instead on a different character, you could be venturing into a brand new archetype team, which seems to be how "powercreep" have been working so far. Besides, every character kit is designed around its E0 : it defines the way it is meant to be played. If you do not like it, maybe consider a skip. Going beyond E0 is a luxury not a necessity ! Not to mention that with these 5* characters, we are talking about clearing end game content, which means less than 10% of the Jades available for free in every patch. Light Cones having 75% drop chance is a far better way of vertical investment in the long run.
I wanted to try and get E2S1 feixiao but I’m considering just getting E0 and getting Robins E1 or S1 My team comp would be E0S0 feixiao, E0S0 Aventurine, E0S1 Topaz, E0S0 Robin Edit: (I do have poised to bloom S5 for Robin since I’ll be duo hunt in my team)
I think eidolons that can enable more team options are way better than others. Like jiaoqiu e2,jade e1 etc. With Acheron's e2 she can choose not to use Nihility characters either. Straight buffs like Robin or RM's e1 provides a lot of damage but imo these are not future proof.But like Topaz's e1 that actually debuff enemies other than gives damage taken is imo better because more versatility.
I think E2 Acheron needs review with Jiaoqiu release. The "2 nihility isn't as effective as 1 harmony + 1 nihility" came from the fact that the typical 2 nihility paired with her was Pela and Silverwolf... which share the stats they debuff (DEF). But now with Jiaoqiu putting other type of debuff (vulnerability) and he virtually increases Acheron petal stacking speed, I wonder if harmony + nihility is still better 2 supports for acheron.
Sparkle with "Poised to Bloom" works ! (probably her S1 would be even better though) My relics are far from good enough to make a relevant comparison but, indeed, i would be curious as well.
I think we are going to have Nahility sustainer depends on number of debuffs to heal/reduce dmg taken in the future making Acheron easily runs Harmony instead of regular sustainer and making E1 the best point to stop for Acheron
The highest value are E1 Robin (E2 for some teams), E1 Ruan Mei and E2 Sparkle. I have a hunch about Sunday joining this club. DPS live fast and die young so i don't partake. Firefly and Acheron are the big E2s now, ask in a few months and the names will vary.
@@Dorian-sq1mj didn't know that "non meta-slaves" spent their such valuable time in the comments of video "best eidolons worth considering in HSR 2.5" Is your waifu being trash unit hurts you so much that you try to cope?
@@fabrizioconti2620 thanks! i searched a little and came to the same conclusion. i got kafka s1 but lost the 50/50 for black swan e1 so i’ll probably go back to saving for now
E1 Firefly, E1 Robin E2 Acheron is super broken. Respectively Def ignore + 0 SP usage. 20% all elem pen, and reduce the requirement for her trace which boost her danage masively to just 1 unit making her finally can played with harmony Chara
Got lucky with Ruan Mei's rerun and got her E1 and S1, however, I'm running her sig LC with HMC for my FF team for the better Break Effect Boost and frequent damage boost case due to TB able to ult frequently.
For me, anything past E1 is never worth it in this game. Unlike in Genshin, characters in HSR are super easy to shutdown or powercreep. I generally go for E0S1 for dps and E1S0 for supports.
personaly i think avent E1 i quite interesting since it make maintaining his shield for newer player whose stat not that good yet, and even in the end game the c.dmg increase would be quite nice
Um. It feels like a problem to talk about Acheron's E2 without noting that her BIS team is the same at E0 and at E2. If you have Jiao, the value of E2 definitely goes down a substantial bit. Which isn't to say it's not still a very nice buff - it absolutely is - it's just that the gap between E0 and E2 closed by a substantial amount with his release. This feels important when we're talking about saving potentially 90-180 pulls. Acheron priority should be E0 Acheron > E0 Jiao > S1 Acheron. And with Jiao you should be getting Ults plenty fast. His release really reduced the distance between E0 and E2.
*Unpopular take:* Clara E1, practically converts her from a pure follow up attacker to a devastating skill user since it makes the counter mark permanent, basically doubling her skill power, which is honestly really op🗿 I cleared so many memory of chaos just from the extra power clara E1 provided when i really needed in a pinch, right now i have her at E3 S3 due to my luck but well worth it i guess(or so i tell to cope)🫠 And the best part is she is standard, so you will be getting her regardless of what you want 😶🌫️
Between Kafka and Topaz LC, which would you recommend? I was initially gonna go for Kafka due to the versatility of it but then I saw Fei Xiao's kit and Topaz LC sounds like good support. Thanks and keep up the good work!
I actually have E2S0 Kafka and E0S1 Topaz as pure F2P. Do you actually have the rest of the teams for both chars? Because Kafka and Topaz are completely different team comps, each with their own required investments for their respective teams. Like an E2 Kafka is still totally useless without a proper team. Same would be for a Topaz without a proper team. So I'd say, it depends on which team comp you already have fully built, for which is more worth pulling for. Like say you already have Black Swan, then Kafka goes really well with her. But say you already have a FUA team, then Topaz's sig LC is really really good (at least IMHO), it makes Topaz a very versatile char. Also, people can say there are lots of good alternative LCs for Hunt, but it's not really true. Like yeah, Herta shop 5* Hunt LC is great, but if you are going FUA, it's common to run 2x Hunt, and you can't get 2x Herta shop Hunt LCs. So one of them is gonna probably want their sig LC, and if it's a team with Topaz, it might as well be Topaz's sig LC (cause it's a hybrid Hunt / Support LC, whereas Hunt LCs are generally just damage, so give the Herta Shop LC to the main DPS instead of to Topaz). Also, her sig LC gives a guaranteed debuff that doesn't require EHR. which can be useful. Destruction has a similar problem, where yeah, Herta Shop Destruction LC is really really good, but too many chars want to use that LC, but there's only one copy of it. If you were to ever run 2x Destruction chars (one in each team, for instance), then you're gonna need to pull at least one sig LC for Destruction eventually.
A properly built Sparkle will help you prevent the enemy from ever taking a turn. She's more valuable than I originally thought. The real question when playing this game is not who we want to pull for but instead which characters are we willing to wait on til their next banner.
my sparkle is still e0s0 using lc bronya but i have acheron e2 and i dont feel the need her e2 anymore as i can complete all content with acheron e2 but is nice to have e2 sparkle tbh !
as personal preference, I really dont like to pull for dupes or lightcone, I prefer to enjoy new characters/teams even if It means I need to do several tries to clear content
Nice video. It would also be interesting to know which character with E6 is the most op (so not which E6 alone is the strongest, but a comparison of E6 characters and which ones will remain op the longest)
Fu Xuan E1S1 with Broken Keel provides a loooot of stats to the team(12% CR, 40% CD, 9% dmg bonus); it’s like having a 4-star harmony in a 5th slot! Not worth it for new players, but if you already have E0S1 and don’t only play DoT and Break, I highly recommend it!
man I hate eidolons so much in hoyo games. And not because of the mechanic (it's nice and okay to have a toy for spenders, whales etc), but because this community seem to care about them too much. I swear, it feels like most people stop evaluating characters at e0s0 (the character) and tend to gravitate towards "oh she is so good at e1", "man her e2 is BUSTED". Like, no shit sherlock, paying money gives you damage. Getting a signature gives you more damage. It's not really the problem with EODGamer specifically, it's just something that crossed my mind while watching the video. A lot of CC's and people in general push the mentality of getting e1s1, e0s1, as if just getting a character is not enough. Hoyo really found themselves a great audience, one that very vocally ignores that $100 for 50 pulls is nuts. With such mentality, I fear that HSR will slowly turn into HI3rd where rolling for weapons is basically mandatory. I hate that to get what is considered by certain CC's a "complete package", I need to roll multiple casino's
I don't know about other MHY games, but honestly, as a pure F2P, I think HSR is on the easier side of games. So yeah, often E0S0 is more than enough, even for a long time. Thing is, if you've played since release, even as pure F2P, you will eventually be saving up a lot of Jades / pulls. There are many banners you can just purely skip and still be fine. Those Jades add up. Eventually you also build up your teams and there ends up nothing else to pull for. So I think currently, if you were pure F2P since launch, you would start considering pulling for Eidolons cause there's nothing else to pull for with your built up free Jades. Like even me as pure F2P, I had saved up 300x pulls by the time the Firefly banner hit. In that single banner, I got E2S0 Firefly + E0S0 Ruan Mei. Like there just weren't chars and such I wanted to pull for before that point. On avg, I'd say around 80x pulls is enough to get the limited 5* you want (even counting 50/50s and such), at least in my pull experience. So one patch (2x banners) is enough for an E0S0 just from free Jades. So if you skip multiple banners / entire patches over time, you'd end up probably going for sig LCs / eidolons instead. Btw though, IMHO, I think eidolons are not really worth it in a lot of cases, especially as an F2P. But sometimes, eidolons can be worth it (even as pure F2P). Like say in my E2 Firefly case, one of the big hidden benefits of me going E2 Firefly was getting E6 Gallagher along with her. Gallagher is a really strong 4*, not just strong in the FF team, but also very strong outside FF's team too. IMHO, he's stronger than various previous limited 5* sustains, it's kinda funny. Yet MHY put Gallagher on both Acheron and FF's banners. So if you went for E2 for either of them, or just got lucky with 4*s, you had a good chance to get E6 Gallagher with either of those banners.
@@null_value well, this is honestly up to preference, since eidolons, as I said, are meant to remove weaknesses and essentially pay to win through game mechanics. Getting e2 ff means that: - she is now sp neutral, which removes a need for sp positive supports - indirectly increases toughness dmg she deals by giving her more turns this means, that in content where she is not a correct counter to enemy mechanics, she can still pull her weight. Personally I find that boring, since it removes the team building and actual strategic thinking from the game. I love to solve what counters new enemies the best (even tho, most of the time it's just the newest character). Anything is viable as long as you clear endgame, so there is no better or worse way to play. I just hope CC's stop shoving signature light cones down my throat (a certain fighting game player)
@@thatalbeeguy Yeah, I get it. Like every single patch, CCs are almost always going to say the new char = OP, meta changing, etc etc. Like of course they're OP, cause they'd be testing vs the end game blessings that match those new chars, but what happens after the blessings are gone, do they still hold up? So I always gotta make the decision as F2P whether that "OPness" matters to me or not (it usually doesn't), whether I should skip the entire patch or not, etc etc. If it's a char I actually like / fits my account, whether I should pull for Eidolons and/or sig LC or not. But sometimes, because of skipping so many banners / entire patches, I'll just go for the Eidolons / sig LCs anyway, cause I have too many pulls saved.
Going for E2 Acheron and skipping..E0S1 Fei xiao amount of pulls will be the same as E2. So will go for E2 Acheron. Also, E2S1 Acheron is stronger than E0S1 Fei xiao..
Just curious, but do you have the chars for both of those teams already? They both require completely different teams, to the point where comparing an E2S1 Acheron with an E0S1 Feixiao seems like an apples / oranges comparison? Like say an FF with her full team, it's very strong (and not that expensive to build), but without her team, she's way weaker. Some teams are much more expensive to build though than others.
@null_value Bro.. Am Day 1 player and pretty much aware of team comps..so chill..What am saying is the pulls to get E0S1 require same for E2 Acheron..also E2S1 is stronger than E0S1. Rather to get multiple DPS E0S1..focusing on strong DPS build
@@nikhilponnam2043 Out of curiosity, what teams are you running? You already have both Acheron + FUA teams? If you got FUA already, which type do you have?
What’s your opinion on black swan’s eidolons and signature? And also is it better or worse (to pull) than Kafka’s eidolons and signature? Thanks for all these useful uploads. 🗿
The best eidolon is e0 cuz it gives you a whole character, that value is pretty insane (i’m broke)
If you are have a built account, metawise, it is better to have a good E1 than two E0s. There is only so many characters that are going to perform high level.
@@kevindelimaalves6910 i’m fine with not having the strongest stuff, i just like getting characters and having fun with all my options lol
@@mediumsurmoon6283hahah I'll take e2 robin and e2s1 firefly f2p btw
@@mediumsurmoon6283 If you want variety then more characters are better. However, I accidentally pulled an E2 Firefly because I got 2x in an early 10 pull after getting her once as a f2p. The difference between her and everything else on my account is absurd. It's not something like 30% stronger but more like 200% stronger than most of my best teams with 1/10 the investment of my best teams in terms of relics. Firefly Super Break became my most powerful team within a few weeks of farming as opposed to months.
It was the first time I had ever been able to 0 cycle using a normal team with a sustain. In the past I struggled to clear each MoC in 5 cycles. If you just want to clear then maximizing a few teams to high power will get you very far while having a wide variety might not. It also forces you to spend resources building characters rather than making existing characters stronger.
$200 is 100 pulls, not even enough to guarantee a character
300 dollars is 150 pulls still not enough to guarantee a character.
Yea it’s absolutely insane greed
just be rich
@@omegaex2255how about just be lucky?
Just win 2 50/50s in a row below 70 pity to get Acheron E2. Not that I’ve done that.
we need eidolon tier list
@eodgamer
Firefly E2 is cracked with the extra turns and no SP usage
Yes its broken But for Firefly the most broken Eidolon is E1 the best stopping point for investing E2 is hella good tho.
@@Rinnn_Seee I don't think E1 is that big of an increase for Firefly, isn't really a must. E2 is really where her eidolons start to shine.
She become Seele . You can use her at pure fiction
@@hanyuee1160 E1 is more valuable than her E2, if offers more for less.
@@hanyuee1160it's an significant increase for Lingsha havers but apart from that yes I agree
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I'm going to throw in my own opinion on my favourite character, and that is E1 and E2 Firefly! E1 turns her from one of the highest SP consuming to one the lowest, and E2 is a huge damage spike! Firefly is the only DPS where I recommend the Eidolons over Sig Light Cone
Thx for this
Ty🎉
Black Swan needed to be in this. She is coming next banner and she gains A LOT from both eidolons and lightcones. E1 is a massive boost for her and her own lightcone is only marginally behind Jiaoqiu's one.
I was surprised he didn't mention BS's E1 when he talked about Kafka.
Yeah I was waiting for him to talk about Black Swan E1 because that's the Eidolon that I actually wanted to pull on the rerun banner. Was considering whether it's still worth to pull or not at this point, interesting that he didn't touch about it.
Black swan, firefly and probably more. "Quality content that's straight to the point" but that's exactly what this channel is missing. Often quick with posts and has good information but lacks planning, scripting, and sectioning which end up with decent amounts of time wasting and lacking information.
Robin e1 definitely worth. Also if you really want to build into follow-up, get Topaz’s e1s1. I got her e0s0 on her first banner then got her e1 s1 on her rerun and she is like a completely different character.
I was going to grab E1 and or S1 on next rerun, because I never imagined she'd be rerunning so soon ;_;
@@Zer0Hour17 grabbing topaz’ E1 and stopping there on her rerun I already have S1 myself
Doesn't Jiaoqiu E1S1 beat Topaz though?
@@p1p3B0mberwhy would he? he doesn't back to back follow ups like robin with numby, he's more for debuffing the enemies.
@@p1p3B0mber No. He doesn’t follow up and the rest of the team is built to get something out of teammates attacking often. So even if his debuff was stronger than hers, the whole team would run worse. Not to mention he does no damage before e2 where Topaz at e1s1 does decent damage.
Firefly's E1 and E2 Immediately shifted her playstyle for me. Firefly's Enhanced Skill ignores DEF and will not consume Skill Ponts. This makes SP-management a lot more manageable. (I'm also biased as shes my only Limited 5 Star E6) But E1 or E2 on Firefly Best stopping point for spenders. Firefly can now get extra turns if she defeats an enemy or inflicts Weakness Break. ( I just don't know which one to state as its correct she's a DPS and Supports are better to invest in than DPS units.
Im not going for e2 but im DEFINITELY going for e1 on FFs rerun.
E2 Firefly is so rewarding when you plan the break. It’s amazing
She become Seele . Can be used in Pure fiction
@@dplayer2693e1 is food for MoC and apoc. But she is not good at PF. E2 though makes her carry in PF.
I personally struffle wifh PF more than MoC so yeah.
I have a pretty strict "no pulling for limited 5* eidolons" policy but I'm still gonna watch the video!
Unless you have lots of disposable cash, it’s hard to see how any character or eidolon would be worth $200
Just dont pull for every character that comes out and youll have savings to use on good eidolons. Im f2p myself and am guaranteed robin e1 when her banner drops.
Not to mention that its 200 if your lucky If you lose your 50/50 back to back like it happened to me to its 300.
Never taking this gamble again.
Its was google play store money so the thing i could spend it on was limited but it still hurt.
Cant imagine how pissed I would be if its wasnt money from a gift
As a F2P meta player, my take away is:
1. Acheron Light Cone
2. Robin E1
3. Ruan Mei E1
E2S1 sparkle the best harmony with investment for me. The hyper carry meta never died on my account
When we get another hyper carry dps char we're def eating good for a few patches. Sparkle's LC is so good tho it really fixes my awful CR ratio.
@@PajamaDedoAgreed! Sparkle's Lc is underrated as a stat stick. It allows us to min-max crit to hit higher dmg ceilings. My Acheron has 56/269 crit outside battle but 100/410 in battle because of Sparkle. Also at e2 she has 100% uptime on 24% def ignore, 40% attack, 48% dmg after the 1st ult for the whole team. Sparkle is insane at E2S1, and will only get better in the future.
@@1993bassmasta She just does so much you can have almost everything in her kit.
1. 3 turns to get the ult
2. Buffs ATK
3. DMG bonus buff
4. CR and CD
5. Advance forward
6. Better SP economy allowing more units in the team to get their ult up faster since they can use skills more.
But the game is changing into a dual dps meta at the moment so we'll see where the future meta goes. When she reruns again I'm def getting her E2, it's broken to pair up with Robin fr fr
Robin e1s1 is better if u dont build def shred
@@unreachableforme I'd prob just go for her E1 rather than E1S1, since I still need to pull Moze a couple of times and I'm hella broke on jades anyways, tho I am on my 77th pity. Hope I win the 50/50 😅
So, in short:
Acheron E2S0
Robin E1S0
Jiaoqiu E2
Ruan Mei E1S0
Imbibitor E2
Jade E1
Topaz & Numby E1S0 (I know he said they don't their light cone, but it's pretty useful in other FUA Hunt Characters)
Kafka E2S0
Fu Xuan E0S0
I know he also said some characters need S1, but from a F2P POV looking to begin vertical investment S0 is expensive enough already :v
I also didn't note down Jingliu's cause I believe we'll get a stronger Ice DPS before or close her rerun anyway
Aventurine E1 is great! Makes SP management easier on rush down teams and can also be a panic button. S1 makes building easier but not necessary
Absolutely - having a big ult shield is massive for emergencies. The team crit damage is nice too. His E2 and S1 is also insane for Acheron/ Ratio teams with every action (except skill which he never uses) applying debuffs, on top of just being a generally nice little extra team damage increase.
So much nice early investment on an already top tier sustain. I have aventurine, FX, Huohuo and Gallagher all built for a variety of situations yet my teams all usually end up fighting over aventurine.
I got his e1 at 14 pity and it’s great. But s0 though
As someone who came back towards the end of Sparkle’s first banner and meeting Acheron instantly enjoying her character.
I did swipe for E2S1. The power she gave to my account was insane.
Even with all the bonus top up at the time I got extremely lucky with her pulls.
I need to stop spending on this game 😭
Feels like you missed Jade's E1; it makes her playable on entirely new teams! Similar power-bump to Acheron's E2 (although of course on a less overpowered character). It really turns Jade into a universal unit, instead of one dedicated only to Pure Fiction.
He actually didn't.
7:48
Seems I was mistaken. Not attentive enough, I suppose.
@@cyphennot really, he kinda just glossed over her lol, so u good
@@kylenunez2820 true, it's easy to miss
E1 Black Swan (before S1 because of Sampo LC being very good on her) and E1 Yunli (after S1) are also very good eidolons to aim for.
Imo when it comes to Crit % LC's and E1-2 on dps, i will personally priorities crit stats first for a good balance then the eidolons if they are worth it (and if ressources/luck allow to aim for E1-2)
As an E6S2 Acheron player I can confirm that you should not E6 a character. Money aside, it makes a character so broken that you arent even playing the game anymore at that point and makes things boring and trivial. I auto Aventurine MOC 12 to get the jades then go back and play with other characters for fun and challenge. E0S1 and enjoy more characters. The trace levelling and relic farming is a horrific experience and needs refinement that hoyo seem to have addressed by adding more to the characters they release to be less dependent on the relics.
maybe try playing acheron in a no nihility team to balance her out
like a hypercarry
but use someone other than robin since she is op with acheron even without nihility buff
Ah man, you make me want to pull E1 Robin right now 😅😅😅.
I really like this video! It helps me gain a better understanding of what is the optimal E or S level for these 5 stars...Thank you
I already invested on Jiaoqiu as Acheron support. imma pull on Acheron's Eidolons to E2.
Why don’t you play Acheron with Jiaoqiu and Kafka ? You dont need the E2 nah ?
@@tastychips3938 my Jiaoqiu is only E0S1. maybe i'll have him E2 on his next rerun if i want to build a Dot team.
You dont need e2 if you dont already have it
putting all your eggs in one basket lol. get jiaoqiu get acheron e2s1... watch hoyo just make her go out of meta 😂
@@maksimradojcic8932 ?
Honestly, I’m so happy I got Fu Xian’s LC bc I think there are plenty of times where my skill is lacking, but Fu Xuan carries my team sustain LOL Again, not necessary, but if you aren’t the best player (aka me) it has made life easier multiple times no doubt! I also used a fair bit on Seele too, but if I didn’t pull her I wouldn’t still be playing so.. I guess thank you Seele even tho I never use you anymore 😢
Thank you EoD for this video!! It’s nice to have these videos every so often bc I’m def more of a vertical player!
Love this content, thanks EoD. Not enough CCs make content helping deep vertical investors so it's super helpful to see you breakdown and compare eidolons.
e1 blade may be relevant in the future if they add an hp buffer like from the trashcan event, gives his ult a massive dmg boost
Copium is hard those days
I started actively playing around 2.1 at Acheron's release, before that it was just the inbox gifts & free 10 pulls every patch which gave me my DHIL at 9 pity after a 50/50 loss. Sadly I lost Acheron's 50/50 n went with Jingliu as I needed another DPS for early game. No regrets there.
Since, I need Acheron & Aventurine both, Eidolons & Sig LCs are out of scope for me. Still I hope one day I can go for them.
I am extremely tempted by pulling 2 extra Robins for her E4 that gives cleanse and 50% effect res. It combined with Aventurines shields 50% effect res would make my FUA core so resistant to debuffs.
100% in fact ^_^
Thats my plan too
E1 robin and blackswan are probably the best e1’s in the game. Personally going for robins because it can be used on more teams.
BlackSwan E1 element res reduce is great especially for DoT but I use her with Kafka LC in Acheron team so lightening res reduce is up almost all the time.
Firefly E1 and E2 are both great. E1 eliminate skill point issue so other unit can skill more for more ult and E2 is free turn when kill/break enemies
Another thing to consider for Eidolons in my opinion is that they are mainly there to offset gearing and team building. You don't need as good gear/teams on an E2 Firefly or Acheron as you do at E0S0. Most DPS nowadays come with an Eidolon that increase CR/CD or gives Defence Down. It allows them to do more damage with lower gear/team investment.
Im so lucky when my brother push draw button on mu account at Topaz banner. I got E2S1 for 70x draw
I went for Firefly E2 S1 and i don't regret anything. She is amazing
I went E2S0 FF as full F2P and also don't regret it. But I had to also go for E0S0 RM on FF's banner cause I didn't have RM at the time. It costed a total of 300+ pulls, so it was pretty painful at the time. But I had gone E2 Kafka before (again, as pure F2P) and I totally regretted that, cause Black Swan was the very next banner after Kafka's rerun back then, so I couldn't pull for Black Swan after. That Kafka rerun banner was the reason I could save up 300+ pulls as pure F2P for eventual FF + RM banner though, cause that Kafka situation put me in such a bad spot I didn't wanna pull for a long time, lol.
This is something I'm actually interested in knowing! I'm a light spender and prefer to vertically invest now that I've built the units I've wanted. I've gotten Eidolons only for two supports (e.g. Ruan Mei and Huo Huo) but decided to avoid their S1 as I already have S5 copies of 4-star LCs that do more than enough.
Acheron's E2 is pretty busted, but I also fear it'll make the game even easier than it already is. LOL My Crit Rate isn't the best so I'm planning on at least E1 and maybe E2 another time.
The general consensus seems to be that Robin is best for her E1 also for many teams, so if I'm lucky, I'm hoping to get that later on.
Just to note, but if you are switching to vertical investment, then you will be able to spend more resources on getting better relics for the chars you vertically invest in. It kind of goes hand-in-hand.
Huohuo E1 is a game changer for her, because it makes her skill point positive.
E1 effect - The duration of Divine Provision produced by the Talent is extended by 1 turn(s). When Huohuo possesses Divine Provision, all allies’ SPD increases by 12%.
I feel like u giving the E1 to a harmony is more worth it. Honestly, we are at a point of the game where a lot of people are using no sustainers to clear hard contents like MOC faster.. I see the future of healers in the game going down as more F2P accounts get stronger and stronger
@@RumbaRumbaDa Unlike most sustainers Huohuo ultimate gives the team attk boost and Energy Regen. People still clear the hardest content with Huohuo. Getting the E1 gives some breathing room for the team.
@@aaronmorgan5860definitely but it's not like her buff can be compared to any other harmony character if you're just looking for a buff just get a harmony but if you need ER too ye she's needed
@@source324 True. Harmony is always better. It just sometimes we want a little buff for our team while we are waiting for that important E1. Assuming we have the resource to do so.
@@RumbaRumbaDaas someone who has E2 sparkle/ Robin and E1 RM, I can say E1 huohuo was definitely one of my best valued eidolons. Getting bigger boosts from the others is great but huohuo gives a much bigger team improvement if it stops them running out of SP. Like DoT (her BiS team) absolutely eat skill points, especially with Jiiaqiu in place of an S1 RM. The speed is also amazing for meeting dot team breakpoints (especially if you swap RM for jiaoqiu to free her for break, losing her speed talent, but stacking with hers also makes speed requirements way easier to hit).
I will say the harmony eidolons are more universal though and huohuo’s is only valuable until she loses her spot in dot to a dot sustain. Most teams aren’t as desperate for sp as Kafka/BS and if you swap swan for JQ instead of RM then extra skill points just aren’t needed, at which point it becomes a speed/ QoL eidolons.
was about to google this and got your vid in my recommended
with e2 robin you can act 3 times during concerto with a bit of speedtuning. plus you regen her ult 50% faster. It might be better than e1
Not agree
Ok so, E2 Robin is really good because it gives 16% SPD for entire team and its huge.
Also E1 Huohuo is even better, it makes her skill last for 3 turns, it changes the way you play her, you always want to have skill turned on. Also 12% SPD boost is insane.
With lacking healer options in game its easily best E1 in the game for me. After it Robin E1 and then Ruan Mei E1 just because of the dmg boost.
E2's are other story tho, there are some op ones like acheron you mentioned
Since you mentioned kafka, I was curious about black swan eidolons/LC. I think its interesting to discuss because theres so many LC options, and even JQ light cone, and confusing on how much black swan vertical investment affects overall dot team dmg vs kafka investment
Got E1S1 swan, her most important is E1 for teamwide damage
I would argue that Topaz s1 gives more value than her e1 because you can give the lightcone to Hunt March 7th or Moze, which opens up some interesting teams by allowing them to provide debuffs for Ratio or Acheron when the enemy isnt weak to fire and the extra crit damage from the lightcone isnt restricted to follow up attacks. Enabling more team combos is far more valuable than a plain damage increase because even an e6 does absolutely nothing if the unit isnt on the team.
i got jiaoqiu's e1 out of anxiety but im loving it, its so sweet and sp positive 🙏 one skill and one basic attack already gets the enemy to 5 stacks
Can't wait to pull E2 eodgamer, heard he's so op then
Firefly's E3 was definitely the best investment I've ever made
I just found out your channel recently and I have to scroll through a lot of old videos to find whether e1 or s1 on certain character is good.(I screw up pulling for firefly and ruan mei sig instead of their e1)
Edit: okay ig ruan mei sig is not bad since I have HMC and only 1 s5 memory
Edit 2: Is Sparkle's or Jiaoqiu's sig worth pull for? I was about to pull for Sparkle's this banner, but Robin is next banner so I have to skip. So idk if they are worth pulling for later.
You could use Joaqui’s sig on black swan if you have her.
Thanks! This answered my question.
Firefly E1 is just good future-proofing for when break teams are expanded and possibly become more SP hungry, E2 is just plain fun.
I think Black Swan E1 is good as E1 Robin in DoT comp becuase 100% perma 25% respen for dot. but i agree with EODGamer, truly one of my fav cc
I got real lucky with getting an E2S1 Acheron with just spending around $50 max, it's worth it the long run!
What about Firefly, Aventurine, Black Swan, Sparkle and Huohuo
I put everything in my Acheron and I must say it is totally worth it on her rerun I'll be pulling for S5 💪🏻
I've been starting to collect harmony eidolons lately. Went for Ruan Mei E1 on her rerun cause I had quite a lot of jades saved up. I chose that over E1 Firefly, which I would have also wanted. Then it happened again on Feixiao's banner, I won the 50/50 so I decided to see if I could snag E1 Robin with the little jade I had left and got hella lucky and got it at 20 pity! Sparkle... nah, mine is already a monster at E0S0 with my 167 spd 4 Eagle S5 DDD setup, and I'd have to go all the way to E2 to make it worth it. The only other limited character eidolon I have is E1 Jingliu, and I got that greeding for Tingyun eidolons on her original banner also at like sub 20 pity.
I'm a $5/mo player who has never topped up, so it isn't only dolphins and whales that can think about limited eidolons. Though I have been getting pretty lucky I will admit (E5 Bronya and still haven't gotten Yanqing and only 1 Bailu lol!)
Best fucking hsr video idea ever... "Cinema" - What I've Done * play
Hm... if you are F2P, consider the probabilities.
Going for Eidolons is spending your rare Jades into 1 character whereas, by pulling instead on a different character, you could be venturing into a brand new archetype team, which seems to be how "powercreep" have been working so far.
Besides, every character kit is designed around its E0 : it defines the way it is meant to be played. If you do not like it, maybe consider a skip. Going beyond E0 is a luxury not a necessity ! Not to mention that with these 5* characters, we are talking about clearing end game content, which means less than 10% of the Jades available for free in every patch.
Light Cones having 75% drop chance is a far better way of vertical investment in the long run.
Once I got E2S1 Acheron I only ever needed to buy the 30day pass and occasional BP. That’s how good she is
The only eidolons so far that I've went for was E2 DHIL, (unfortunately only got E1, next time) and E1 Huo Huo
I wanted to try and get E2S1 feixiao but I’m considering just getting E0 and getting Robins E1 or S1
My team comp would be E0S0 feixiao, E0S0 Aventurine, E0S1 Topaz, E0S0 Robin
Edit: (I do have poised to bloom S5 for Robin since I’ll be duo hunt in my team)
I have the same team comp except for the DPS, i have clara with yunli lc for the LC, should i pull feixiao or robin E1?
@@plaguedoctorindonesia3211Always Robin E1.
I think eidolons that can enable more team options are way better than others. Like jiaoqiu e2,jade e1 etc. With Acheron's e2 she can choose not to use Nihility characters either. Straight buffs like Robin or RM's e1 provides a lot of damage but imo these are not future proof.But like Topaz's e1 that actually debuff enemies other than gives damage taken is imo better because more versatility.
I think E2 Acheron needs review with Jiaoqiu release. The "2 nihility isn't as effective as 1 harmony + 1 nihility" came from the fact that the typical 2 nihility paired with her was Pela and Silverwolf... which share the stats they debuff (DEF).
But now with Jiaoqiu putting other type of debuff (vulnerability) and he virtually increases Acheron petal stacking speed, I wonder if harmony + nihility is still better 2 supports for acheron.
Sparkle with "Poised to Bloom" works ! (probably her S1 would be even better though)
My relics are far from good enough to make a relevant comparison but, indeed, i would be curious as well.
I think we are going to have Nahility sustainer depends on number of debuffs to heal/reduce dmg taken in the future making Acheron easily runs Harmony instead of regular sustainer and making E1 the best point to stop for Acheron
The highest value are E1 Robin (E2 for some teams), E1 Ruan Mei and E2 Sparkle. I have a hunch about Sunday joining this club.
DPS live fast and die young so i don't partake. Firefly and Acheron are the big E2s now, ask in a few months and the names will vary.
How was Black Swan not included?? I think her E1 is pretty sick
Weak unit
@@sydorovich2532 lmao, bro tripping
@@LennyLeLenny Robin, RM, Sparkle, any post 2.0 dps are all better units than garbage that is used in 1 mediocre powercrept team.
@@sydorovich2532local meta slave can not decide whether he wants to call a character garbage or mid
@@Dorian-sq1mj didn't know that "non meta-slaves" spent their such valuable time in the comments of video "best eidolons worth considering in HSR 2.5"
Is your waifu being trash unit hurts you so much that you try to cope?
yunli’s lc is basically what makes her viable
dot enjoyer here. i have kafka e0 s0 and will be pulling for black swan. what would be the priority then? in terms of e1s/s1s?
Black swan e1 and Kafka S1!
@@fabrizioconti2620 thanks! i searched a little and came to the same conclusion. i got kafka s1 but lost the 50/50 for black swan e1 so i’ll probably go back to saving for now
E1 Firefly, E1 Robin E2 Acheron is super broken. Respectively Def ignore + 0 SP usage. 20% all elem pen, and reduce the requirement for her trace which boost her danage masively to just 1 unit making her finally can played with harmony Chara
I was wondering what your opinions on e1 and/or s1 for black swan. I really like the character so I was planning to get both anyways.
Huohuo E1 was a game changer for me
Can you explain why RM E2 doesn't work with Firefly?
Got lucky with Ruan Mei's rerun and got her E1 and S1, however, I'm running her sig LC with HMC for my FF team for the better Break Effect Boost and frequent damage boost case due to TB able to ult frequently.
For me, anything past E1 is never worth it in this game. Unlike in Genshin, characters in HSR are super easy to shutdown or powercreep.
I generally go for E0S1 for dps and E1S0 for supports.
personaly i think avent E1 i quite interesting since it make maintaining his shield for newer player whose stat not that good yet, and even in the end game the c.dmg increase would be quite nice
e2 avent also work similarly to e1 robin, tho smaller number compared to her
Um. It feels like a problem to talk about Acheron's E2 without noting that her BIS team is the same at E0 and at E2.
If you have Jiao, the value of E2 definitely goes down a substantial bit. Which isn't to say it's not still a very nice buff - it absolutely is - it's just that the gap between E0 and E2 closed by a substantial amount with his release. This feels important when we're talking about saving potentially 90-180 pulls. Acheron priority should be E0 Acheron > E0 Jiao > S1 Acheron. And with Jiao you should be getting Ults plenty fast.
His release really reduced the distance between E0 and E2.
*Unpopular take:* Clara E1, practically converts her from a pure follow up attacker to a devastating skill user since it makes the counter mark permanent, basically doubling her skill power, which is honestly really op🗿
I cleared so many memory of chaos just from the extra power clara E1 provided when i really needed in a pinch, right now i have her at E3 S3 due to my luck but well worth it i guess(or so i tell to cope)🫠
And the best part is she is standard, so you will be getting her regardless of what you want 😶🌫️
Why are these more funny than the you laugh you lose clips lol
Black Swan E1 is also great!
Firefly has really good E1 and E2
No Black Swan E1??
Between Kafka and Topaz LC, which would you recommend? I was initially gonna go for Kafka due to the versatility of it but then I saw Fei Xiao's kit and Topaz LC sounds like good support.
Thanks and keep up the good work!
I actually have E2S0 Kafka and E0S1 Topaz as pure F2P. Do you actually have the rest of the teams for both chars? Because Kafka and Topaz are completely different team comps, each with their own required investments for their respective teams. Like an E2 Kafka is still totally useless without a proper team. Same would be for a Topaz without a proper team. So I'd say, it depends on which team comp you already have fully built, for which is more worth pulling for.
Like say you already have Black Swan, then Kafka goes really well with her. But say you already have a FUA team, then Topaz's sig LC is really really good (at least IMHO), it makes Topaz a very versatile char. Also, people can say there are lots of good alternative LCs for Hunt, but it's not really true. Like yeah, Herta shop 5* Hunt LC is great, but if you are going FUA, it's common to run 2x Hunt, and you can't get 2x Herta shop Hunt LCs. So one of them is gonna probably want their sig LC, and if it's a team with Topaz, it might as well be Topaz's sig LC (cause it's a hybrid Hunt / Support LC, whereas Hunt LCs are generally just damage, so give the Herta Shop LC to the main DPS instead of to Topaz). Also, her sig LC gives a guaranteed debuff that doesn't require EHR. which can be useful.
Destruction has a similar problem, where yeah, Herta Shop Destruction LC is really really good, but too many chars want to use that LC, but there's only one copy of it. If you were to ever run 2x Destruction chars (one in each team, for instance), then you're gonna need to pull at least one sig LC for Destruction eventually.
Between kafka s1 and Topaz s1 which one do u think is more valuable???
Banner ending in 13 hours and im still debating if i want e2 sparkle lol
I went for e2 Sparkle since I have DHIL and Acheron who I want to e2 as well..
@@mohammadalloush8636 i have neither of those characters lol
I use sparkle with yunli
A properly built Sparkle will help you prevent the enemy from ever taking a turn. She's more valuable than I originally thought. The real question when playing this game is not who we want to pull for but instead which characters are we willing to wait on til their next banner.
my sparkle is still e0s0 using lc bronya but i have acheron e2 and i dont feel the need her e2 anymore as i can complete all content with acheron e2 but is nice to have e2 sparkle tbh !
E2 Sparkle too much dmg. Just go robin
I can't believe you didn't talk about E1 BlackSwan 😭😭😭 it makes her a DoT beast.
I think Acheron E1 is still worth it to go for cuz it changes your Relic Build from a Crit rate body to a CDMG piece.
as personal preference, I really dont like to pull for dupes or lightcone, I prefer to enjoy new characters/teams even if It means I need to do several tries to clear content
Nice video. It would also be interesting to know which character with E6 is the most op (so not which E6 alone is the strongest, but a comparison of E6 characters and which ones will remain op the longest)
I am praying for Acheron first phase and Aventurine second phase in 2.6, will be going for E2 for both 🙏
Just go for Acheron and you can play without hands, eyes or a beating heart.
There was a video you made a while ago about the best 5 lightcones to get/worth getting. Can you do an updated video about this?
This probably doesn't answer your question the way you expect, but honestly, Meshing Cogs, Multiplication, Quid Pro Quo, multiple Herta Shop LCs.
Thanks for the video.
Ruan Mei is fine with meshing cogs for Firefly teams imo
have to say having e2 acheron and e2 ff is hella comfy.
Im aiming for E6 Kafka. Cause I really love her. xD
Fu Xuan E1S1 with Broken Keel provides a loooot of stats to the team(12% CR, 40% CD, 9% dmg bonus); it’s like having a 4-star harmony in a 5th slot! Not worth it for new players, but if you already have E0S1 and don’t only play DoT and Break, I highly recommend it!
She is mid for FuA, doesn't charge Robin enough, powercrept unit.
as a fu xuan user, dont pull for e1
Can you do Black Swan? As shes also in the upcoming banner and I'm also quite interested in her E1 or E2 potential and worth.
Her e1 like e1 robin, but only for dots(very strong)
Hi ! How about Aventurine E1 or S1 ?
man I hate eidolons so much in hoyo games. And not because of the mechanic (it's nice and okay to have a toy for spenders, whales etc), but because this community seem to care about them too much. I swear, it feels like most people stop evaluating characters at e0s0 (the character) and tend to gravitate towards "oh she is so good at e1", "man her e2 is BUSTED". Like, no shit sherlock, paying money gives you damage. Getting a signature gives you more damage. It's not really the problem with EODGamer specifically, it's just something that crossed my mind while watching the video. A lot of CC's and people in general push the mentality of getting e1s1, e0s1, as if just getting a character is not enough. Hoyo really found themselves a great audience, one that very vocally ignores that $100 for 50 pulls is nuts. With such mentality, I fear that HSR will slowly turn into HI3rd where rolling for weapons is basically mandatory. I hate that to get what is considered by certain CC's a "complete package", I need to roll multiple casino's
I don't know about other MHY games, but honestly, as a pure F2P, I think HSR is on the easier side of games. So yeah, often E0S0 is more than enough, even for a long time. Thing is, if you've played since release, even as pure F2P, you will eventually be saving up a lot of Jades / pulls. There are many banners you can just purely skip and still be fine. Those Jades add up. Eventually you also build up your teams and there ends up nothing else to pull for. So I think currently, if you were pure F2P since launch, you would start considering pulling for Eidolons cause there's nothing else to pull for with your built up free Jades.
Like even me as pure F2P, I had saved up 300x pulls by the time the Firefly banner hit. In that single banner, I got E2S0 Firefly + E0S0 Ruan Mei. Like there just weren't chars and such I wanted to pull for before that point. On avg, I'd say around 80x pulls is enough to get the limited 5* you want (even counting 50/50s and such), at least in my pull experience. So one patch (2x banners) is enough for an E0S0 just from free Jades. So if you skip multiple banners / entire patches over time, you'd end up probably going for sig LCs / eidolons instead.
Btw though, IMHO, I think eidolons are not really worth it in a lot of cases, especially as an F2P. But sometimes, eidolons can be worth it (even as pure F2P). Like say in my E2 Firefly case, one of the big hidden benefits of me going E2 Firefly was getting E6 Gallagher along with her. Gallagher is a really strong 4*, not just strong in the FF team, but also very strong outside FF's team too. IMHO, he's stronger than various previous limited 5* sustains, it's kinda funny. Yet MHY put Gallagher on both Acheron and FF's banners. So if you went for E2 for either of them, or just got lucky with 4*s, you had a good chance to get E6 Gallagher with either of those banners.
@@null_value well, this is honestly up to preference, since eidolons, as I said, are meant to remove weaknesses and essentially pay to win through game mechanics. Getting e2 ff means that:
- she is now sp neutral, which removes a need for sp positive supports
- indirectly increases toughness dmg she deals by giving her more turns
this means, that in content where she is not a correct counter to enemy mechanics, she can still pull her weight. Personally I find that boring, since it removes the team building and actual strategic thinking from the game. I love to solve what counters new enemies the best (even tho, most of the time it's just the newest character). Anything is viable as long as you clear endgame, so there is no better or worse way to play. I just hope CC's stop shoving signature light cones down my throat (a certain fighting game player)
@@thatalbeeguy Yeah, I get it. Like every single patch, CCs are almost always going to say the new char = OP, meta changing, etc etc. Like of course they're OP, cause they'd be testing vs the end game blessings that match those new chars, but what happens after the blessings are gone, do they still hold up?
So I always gotta make the decision as F2P whether that "OPness" matters to me or not (it usually doesn't), whether I should skip the entire patch or not, etc etc. If it's a char I actually like / fits my account, whether I should pull for Eidolons and/or sig LC or not. But sometimes, because of skipping so many banners / entire patches, I'll just go for the Eidolons / sig LCs anyway, cause I have too many pulls saved.
I currently have an E1 Robin but I’m debating on going for her E2🤔
I don't think it's worth it but go for it if you like her
i actually want to downgrade my Firefly E2 back to E1 because tackling the hard content became a breeze leave the game at auto-battle
Going for E2 Acheron and skipping..E0S1 Fei xiao amount of pulls will be the same as E2. So will go for E2 Acheron. Also, E2S1 Acheron is stronger than E0S1 Fei xiao..
Just curious, but do you have the chars for both of those teams already? They both require completely different teams, to the point where comparing an E2S1 Acheron with an E0S1 Feixiao seems like an apples / oranges comparison? Like say an FF with her full team, it's very strong (and not that expensive to build), but without her team, she's way weaker. Some teams are much more expensive to build though than others.
@null_value Bro.. Am Day 1 player and pretty much aware of team comps..so chill..What am saying is the pulls to get E0S1 require same for E2 Acheron..also E2S1 is stronger than E0S1. Rather to get multiple DPS E0S1..focusing on strong DPS build
@@nikhilponnam2043 Out of curiosity, what teams are you running? You already have both Acheron + FUA teams? If you got FUA already, which type do you have?
I think this is a good video concept, but it kinda felt very rambly and not super organized
11:35 *He just like me fr* I pull Fu Xuan Light cone to reach 10k hp on her too 😅😂
What’s your opinion on black swan’s eidolons and signature? And also is it better or worse (to pull) than Kafka’s eidolons and signature? Thanks for all these useful uploads. 🗿
No Firefly eidolens in crazy bro
At least e1 cause e0 is just painful and not fun
I can personally confirm e1 jade is broken and i mean really broken 😅
Plua with her s1 , oof 😮