DESTROYING a MONSTER integral using Feynman's technique

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  • @ostdog9385
    @ostdog9385 8 місяців тому +54

    Pi^2/6 makes me think theres gotta be a way using series to turn it into basel somehow and now i need to find it

  • @smsofisami724
    @smsofisami724 8 місяців тому +8

    Bro solved a monster integral and when he had to evaluate 1/2-1/3 he said this is the hard part 😭💀

  • @srinjansingharoy202
    @srinjansingharoy202 8 місяців тому +9

    the "constant of integration C" line made me piss my trousers

  • @thierrytitou3709
    @thierrytitou3709 8 місяців тому +3

    Yes, indeed, write ln[(2+x)/(2-x)] = ln(1+ x/2) - ln(1-x/2) = 2*argth(x/2) and expand those ln's in taylor series as for 0

  • @anupamamehra6068
    @anupamamehra6068 8 місяців тому +1

    use the fact that integral from 0 to 1 of f(x) = integral from 0 to 1 of f(1-x) to get 1-x in denominator - then use the series expansion of 1/1-x and maybe we get something

  • @jieyuenlee1758
    @jieyuenlee1758 7 місяців тому

    12:42 Fourrier series:
    1/1²+1/2²+1/3²+1/4²+....=pi²/6

  • @vcvartak7111
    @vcvartak7111 7 місяців тому

    I went through all your integration problems but first time I understood it

  • @HaliPuppeh
    @HaliPuppeh 8 місяців тому

    I think I missed the part of the solution where you got the cosecant and cotangent functions in as well.

  • @MatthisDayer
    @MatthisDayer 8 місяців тому +2

    can you do a follow up video on this very modern technique at 9:20?

    • @blibilb
      @blibilb 8 місяців тому

      looking up the table on anti derivatives? its basically a result you have to keep in mind like how integral of arcsin x is 1/sqrt(1-x^2)

    • @aravindakannank.s.
      @aravindakannank.s. 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@blibilbbro he is joking
      don't u get it
      that he understands all the other awesome tricks but not this single step😂😂😂

  • @giuseppemalaguti435
    @giuseppemalaguti435 8 місяців тому

    1operazione..x=sinθ...{...ln (2+sinθ/2-sinθ)*1/sinθ..}….uso feyman con I(a)={...2-asinθ/2+asinθ...}..I(0)=0,I=I(1)...risulta I'(a)=π/√(4-a^2),I=πarcsin(a/2)...I=I(1)=πarcsin(1/2)=π^2/6

  • @threepointone415
    @threepointone415 8 місяців тому

    Yes, ζ(s) = π^2 /2 - π arcsec(s)

  • @DD-ce4nd
    @DD-ce4nd 8 місяців тому

    Additional observation: when we take the integration limits from 1 to 2 we get -5/3*i*Gieseking's constant.

  • @ericthegreat7805
    @ericthegreat7805 8 місяців тому

    so does I(z) = -pi*sec-1(z) + pi^2/2 = Z(z) for any complex z?

  • @trelosyiaellinika
    @trelosyiaellinika 5 місяців тому

    Real beauty!

  • @superfilmologer
    @superfilmologer 8 місяців тому

    isnt there a mistake at 5:30? why do we just assume we can distribute a sec^2 over (cos^2 +a^2-1)?

  • @sidhantmohanty5256
    @sidhantmohanty5256 8 місяців тому

    Bro can you try proving this one? integral 0 to pi arctan(ln(sinx)/x) dx = - pi*arctan[2ln(2)/pi]

  • @oatq175
    @oatq175 8 місяців тому

    so coooool!

  • @BladimirRemon
    @BladimirRemon 8 місяців тому

    Ohh My god!😮

  • @daddy_myers
    @daddy_myers 8 місяців тому +3

    Thumbnail goes CRAZY 🥵🥵

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  8 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for helping me design these bro.....they really make the video stand out.

    • @U77866
      @U77866 8 місяців тому

      Goes hard

    • @daddy_myers
      @daddy_myers 8 місяців тому

      ​@@U77866I'm hard.

  • @retarded.pigeon
    @retarded.pigeon 8 місяців тому

    Hi, it's not obvious to me why you can switch the order of derivation and integration operations in the Feynman technique, can you give an explanation? Ty ❤

    • @dacomputernerd4096
      @dacomputernerd4096 8 місяців тому +1

      I gather that is just what the Feynman technique does. It states that the derivative with respect to one variable of a definite integral with constant limits with respect to another is the definite integral of the partial derivative, probably assuming some stuff about continuity and convergence.
      The rule this stems from also allows the limits to be functions of the variable you differentiate with respect to, but it just adds additional terms to the result which go to zero when the limits are constants due to including partial derivatives of the limits

    • @theblainefarm3310
      @theblainefarm3310 8 місяців тому

      ua-cam.com/video/4bxL0Tow7wo/v-deo.htmlsi=QuVpUIWgmm-lhL2H

    • @theblainefarm3310
      @theblainefarm3310 8 місяців тому

      Oops sorry wrong link

    • @theblainefarm3310
      @theblainefarm3310 8 місяців тому

      ua-cam.com/video/fcBdE1bkQhg/v-deo.htmlsi=RYLv8zsuRNBYtkgh

  • @DDroog-eq7tw
    @DDroog-eq7tw 8 місяців тому +16

    I tried it before watching. If you want to solve it on hard mode, introduce α in the ln with 2+αx only in the numerator (so I(-1) = 0) then try to solve it. I went through two separate Feynman techniques then did an integration by parts to get dialogarithms before I found an error in the beginning of my work, where i forgot to divide by two. I don't want to re-do most of the work, but it seems possible that way.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  8 місяців тому +2

      Wow now that's some roughhousing😂

  • @GearsScrewlose
    @GearsScrewlose 8 місяців тому +7

    If you rewrite ln[(2+x)/(2-x)] as a series combine and switch them sums, we can rewrite the integral as the beta function.

  • @pandavroomvroom
    @pandavroomvroom 8 місяців тому +2

    *uses the overpowered technique of looking up a table of antiderivatives*

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 8 місяців тому +2

    Euler substitution
    sqrt(1-x^2) = 1 - xt
    We will have
    Int(ln((t^2+t+1)/(t^2-t+1))/t,t=0..1)
    Integration by parts with
    u = ln((t^2+t+1)/(t^2-t+1)) dv = 1/t dt
    We have integral
    2Int(ln(t)*(t^2-1)/(t^4+t^2+1),t=0..1)
    Expand rational factor
    2Int(ln(t)*(t^2-1)^2/((t^4+t^2+1)(t^2-1)),t=0..1)
    2Int((t^4-2t^2+1)*ln(t)/(t^6-1),t=0..1)
    =-2Int((t^4-2t^2+1)*ln(t)/(1-t^6),t=0..1)
    Now we expand 1/(1-t^6) as geometric series with common ratio t^6
    -2(Int(sum(t^(6n+4)*ln(t),n=0..infinity) -sum(t^(6n+2)*ln(t),n=0..infinity) + sum(t^(6n)*ln(t),n=0..infinity) ,t=0..1)
    Here we change order of integration and summation
    then we calculate integrals by parts
    Finally we will have three sums to evaluate
    -2(sum(-1/(6n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)-2*sum(-1/(6n+3)^2,n=0..infinity)+sum(-1/(6n+5)^2,n=0..infinity))
    -2(sum(-1/(6n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)+sum(-1/(6n+3)^2,n=0..infinity)+sum(-1/(6n+5)^2,n=0..infinity) - 3sum(-1/(6n+3)^2,n=0..infinity))
    -2(sum(-1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)-1/3sum(-1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity))
    2(sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)-1/3sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity))
    4/3*sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=4/3*(sum(1/(n+1)^2,n=0..infinity) - sum(1/(4(n+1)^2),n=0..infinity))
    4/3*sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=4/3*(sum(1/(n+1)^2,n=0..infinity) - 1/4*sum(1/(n+1)^2,n=0..infinity))
    4/3*sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=4/3*3/4*sum(1/(n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)
    4/3*sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=sum(1/n^2,n=1..infinity)
    =π^2/6

  • @maxvangulik1988
    @maxvangulik1988 8 місяців тому +3

    y=ln((1+x)/(1-x))
    e^y=(1+x)/(1-x)
    e^y-xe^y=1+x
    (1+e^y)x+(1-e^y)=0
    x=(e^y-1)/(e^y+1)
    x=tanh(y/2)
    y=2artanh(x)
    ln((1+x)/(1-x))=2artanh(x)
    not sure what you can do with this but it's something i noticed

  • @aravindakannank.s.
    @aravindakannank.s. 8 місяців тому +2

    9:20 my mind blown bro after seeing the trick of looking up anti derivatives
    which is not happened quite a while
    pardon me not quite almost never (except some differential equation videos)😅
    😊😂😂

  • @xleph2525
    @xleph2525 7 місяців тому

    Bro why do some of your video titles read like they're from the hub.

  • @sadi_supercell2132
    @sadi_supercell2132 8 місяців тому +1

    Beautifull

  • @ThanhNhan_GiaSu234
    @ThanhNhan_GiaSu234 8 місяців тому

    ❤❤❤

  • @jieyuenlee1758
    @jieyuenlee1758 6 місяців тому

    1:10 when alpha=inf it approch zero
    Hence you can straight away intergrate the whole thing from [2,inf)11:43

  • @comdo777
    @comdo777 8 місяців тому

    asnwer=1+2 /1-/2

  • @MrWael1970
    @MrWael1970 8 місяців тому

    Very nice solution. Thank you

  • @Kurama.00
    @Kurama.00 7 місяців тому

    8:58 He got me here

  • @sadi_supercell2132
    @sadi_supercell2132 8 місяців тому

    Btw do i always use lim as parameter goes to infinity for the part of the function where i inserted parameter or i can use whatever number for example limit as parameter goes to 0,1,-2... edit: when i want to find the missing constant c

    • @zunaidparker
      @zunaidparker 8 місяців тому

      You should use any "convenient" number for that purpose. In this case it happened to be infinity, which isn't a number you can just substitute in so you have to consider it as a limit.

    • @sadi_supercell2132
      @sadi_supercell2132 8 місяців тому

      @@zunaidparkerbut here is the problem , which number i substitute in ln(a(x^2+1)) so i get the 0 for the limit

    • @sadi_supercell2132
      @sadi_supercell2132 8 місяців тому

      @@zunaidparker maybe a=1 for ln(a) + ln(x^2+1) but what do i do for ln(x^2+1)

    • @zunaidparker
      @zunaidparker 8 місяців тому

      @@sadi_supercell2132 if you're left with an expression like that it means that you didn't choose a good parameterization to begin with. You should always choose where to insert the "a" to end up with an expression that is "nice".

    • @sadi_supercell2132
      @sadi_supercell2132 8 місяців тому

      @@zunaidparker integral from 0 to infinity of ln(x^2+1)/x^2+1