How to Hammer a Circular Saw with Casey Creamer
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2019
- Casey Creamer is a longtime columnist for the Northern Logger Magazine and a Saw Doctor with years of experience hammering circular saws.
More information about Casey and his work can be found here: senecasaw.com/
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You need more videos of this guy. I’ve worked maintenance at several saw mills and also worked in the file rooms. Saw Filers are talented people and that is a good job to have. This guy is good at what he does. He explains this process better than any saw filer I have ever been around
You are so right. I worked for Disston saws many years ago and loved to watch the Saw Doctor working. Saw Doctor is aussie terminology.
I had no idea about blade tension. Casey could be a college professor, the way he clearly explained it. I hope there are younger people learning this skill, looks like it takes years of experience to do it at this level. And "Show me something perfect and I'll show you something you didn't check close enough" just became my favorite quote.
Casey Creamer, in my thoughts, the best saw Smith. I remember being in that building when I was taught by Casey to hammer saws. In that saw cleaning room, while I was cleaning a saw with the wire cup, I accidentally cut the power cord to the tool! Casey made saw hammering so simple and I still hammer saws to this day thanks to your teaching. You still doing ice racing? Thank you Casey for having to put up with my stupidity 😅.!
What an interesting video. Nice to see a person with the skill and knowledge who can explain well.
What a great video. Never hurts to learn something and understand how things work. Thanks
Extremely intriguing information! I am fascinated by this kind of work. Thank you for putting the energy into this presentation (and all of your others).
Finally! Someone who is able to explain round saw hammering in a concise, coherent manner. I filed saws for over thirty years on the west coast both large log and small log mills. When I was taught large circle saws (72”) it was by and old sawer who benched his own saws. His teaching method was very similar to this talented filer.
I use to go with my dad when we delivered lumber and firewood or took saw to be hammered..thats all gone now..all the old loggers my dad would visit and talk about when they were younger..o miss the stories but even more I miss these old timers like this guy.i bet he has forgotten more about this then I will ever learn if I had three lifetimes..thank you for this video..its a lost art now days..i still have three old's blades for sawmill..i will keep two of them since they are the same...1880 Simons blades.but third is slightly different and use different teeth even though it's same size..tjank you for the video here..it reminded me of watching the old cello hammering and checking our old blade..i just wish I knew what the rpm of our mill was..i will have to have my blades checked if I get it going and adjusted for rpm of that engine used
When I was in high school my dad, brother, and I got an old circular saw mill running. Hammering a saw is something I saw done but never with this level of precision. I never did it myself and never had a desire to learn. It is a somewhat obscure skill that I'm glad is somewhat documented here.
It would be nice to see a video on how to sharpen and replace tooth inserts.
The knowledge and skill this man posesses can not be overstated. Somewhere there is an army of engineers and managers feverishly trying to devise a method or machine that can do what he does with the push of a button. Good luck with that.
That happens only where there is enough $$$ involved.
This is an astonishing video! The clarity and presentation shows us the black magic that most never pass on. Seeing it is one thing, doing it is another. Long live Casey Creamer.
Sharpend smaller circular saws when I was much younger, helped my dad in his saw shop for about 9 years . Learned about work and responsibilities at a young age , miss you dad
"Show me something perfect and I'll show you something you didn't check close enough" Love it!
hi there yes you are right john
@@fricknjeep i knew id see you here lol
@@DieselRamcharger hi has another at his shop , john
This is the reason sawfiling is such a tedious trade, You can always find a slight flaw.
I'll be using above quote..
this has been one of the coolest videos I've ever seen your true professional in your field and I like the fact that no matter how many times you have to go back to continue to correct what you need to do you never give up you're an awesome human being and God bless you 😇
A very good video about a difficult to understand subject. At minimum it will allow a saw blade owner to test test a blade for flatness, wobble, tension and other defects such as poor sharpening, and then make a decision as to whether to send it for a hammering service. Hopefully he can make more follow up videos in more detail about the specific terms, tools and diagnostics.
Almost all of our saw cutting problems resulted from the grinding stones getting slightly out of square a causing the teeth not to be ground at a 90 degree angle ; it creeps up slowly and then you realize that all of your saws start running out in the same direction . I worked in a sawmill for 7 years .
Thanks so much for recording and posting this!
people think these circle mills are simple, they couldnt be more wrong you really have to know your stuff to run one and this man really knows how to get one right
I have been in the stone industry for 30 years hammering saw blades from 24 inches up to 12 foot in diameter there are differences in the technique but one common thread that you spoke about that most people don't understand which is the rpm of the saw and surface ft per minute and if you don't know this then you are guessing at getting things right and you you mentioned that several times I enjoyed your video you sir are one of the few true hammersmith's in the saw blade industry granite and wood are different but the basics of hammering are very similar again I enjoyed watching and understanding what you were doing
I knew this process was involved, but I never knew how involved it really was!
When i did my traineeship as a saw dr we just used an anvil, hammers and straight edge, this is next level stuff.
And a Widemire tension gauge
He has one hanging on the conduit on the wall... I learned in the late 70's from Curtis Carson Conaway (CC)of Springfield MO.
When I was a young adult, I apprenticed the same way as you. It was always a 2-man job, so it's interesting to see it being done solo, but I also think you lose a little of the feel of what the saw is telling you when are only one person, trying to balance it upright and check it at the same time. I don't think I saw him getting out individual "lumps." That's the first step - make it flat on the log side. Second, tension it if needed, and third, check for twists. No one I've seen on this video or other web sited discuss correcting a twist. I've recently retired as a teacher, and have been curious about what's out there for board saws, and I cringe when I see everyone talking about a big sledge hammer, and a stump . . . That's not the way to fix a board saw! I feel like traveling around and giving advice.
thank you Casey. I have a friend that has bought a Foley Belsaw mill and has quite a few blades. You explained this very well and I notice your shop is in an old school. Kinda ironic for a great teacher like yourself.
I live in Canada near Sault Ste. Marie so I think I will be the guy sharpening and getting his blades to work properly. thanks.
Thanks for the education, great job. I'm running a Mighty mite 4-12, I really appreciate the video detail and the wisdom shared.
This video is a big big help. I feel lucky just to have the tools. Thank you from ohio.
Absolutely amazing. There is a science to everything...
Lots of science AND skill! Thank you! Fascinating!
Great video!!!!! Thank you so much for making and posting this video. Lots of information packed in. Again Thanks!!!!!
Very awesome video! Heard and seen some saw hammering but this is top notch
Thank you for this great video, I'll be using these processes soon!
I dont know why but when he was hammering the blade and spinning it i heard the song "Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight.' by the KC & The Sunshine Band.WhoOO!
Back to the green chain for you!😊
Need more sawyers to know this.. great job!
Wish i could have you for a teacher to teach me and my boys how to look after a saw properly. Great. Vidieo
We need to teach our younger generations this skill/ art so it's not lost.
did lots of saw smithing years ago, but not for head saw mills.. ours was for furniture industry and GP mills strobe saw and thin kerf guide saws
What a beautiful system for moving the saws on and off the machines. Genius level.
Very education. Thanks.
ih there bought your book years ago and have red it many times . still learning . i guess i wouldn't have to learn as much if i would stop forgetting so much . your book was real interesting and helpful . thank you for your video and your book . a friend of mine also a sawyer has also red your book several times . we both like your saying about perfect and use it from time to time .i found this while looking for another video ware you were checking carriage aliment with a long straight edge . could you direct me to it ? thank you john
@Alexander Kayne hi there he has a web site its a good book john
@Alexander Kayne like to see that running john
anybody have suggestion what equipment can be used for lifting and moving big diamond circular saw blades like 1600mm and higher diameter in such indoor workshops , when hammering and tensioning them ?
If you leveled it with a hammer you could always give it a light pull with the rolls to even it out plus pull a bit of tension
If your levelling anvil is harden steel then put a thin leather pad on the anvil when levelling, that will minimise putting unwanted tension in the saw when hammering
that's neat I heard of it the 1st time seen it done how long have been doing this did you a class or did someone teach you
Extremely interesting
Nice video👍
I have an odd question. I cut dry ice (-110F)with gang saw blades that are 16" OD with a .050in plate @1100rpm. They always deflect to what you call the log side by about .060in. What can be done to compensate for the deflection which I am guessing is caused by the extreme cold? I assume it is the opposite of overheating the blade, but happens each cut.
I originally had cracking on the plate at the clamping collar. It was a perfect circle right around the perimeter of the OD of the clamp collar. I was able to stop that by adding laser cut question marks at that point to relieve the stresses caused by the thermal shrinkage created in the blade by the cold dry ice.
Any thoughts to help the blades cut straight?
I helped my grandpa build an old circular sawmill back 40 yrs ago, I had to sharpen the teeth every morning and after lunch,….had the old hand held that ya sat in the tooth an smacked it with hammer,, man I wish I had that mill up an saw,n now !
I have an Armstrong stretch roll what is the leveling position? Mine just has one roller over the other is there something you add to level the saw?
Hi Jed. Thank you very much for your questions! Casey is working on an answer for you, which will be published in the December 2022 issue of The Northern Logger magazine!
Man is a national treasure. Who is going to fill his shoes?
Awesome video I have watched and talked with the guys at Rice blacksmith shop Rice, Mn when they hammered my sawmill blades it's a very interesting how the circular sawmill blades work i have sawed lumber for over 25 years now 👍👍👍👍
So how much does it cost to get a 36” saw hammered? When I was a kid in Louisiana, I rode the carriage and set blocks on a tie mill!
How much this cost
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How do I order this blade
I’m pretty new to saw filing. The person who was supposed to train me has retired before I can get trained. I’m currently doing the best I can with the guys already in our sawshop. Any help from anyone with be greatly appreciated. Are there vids, books etc etc etc that I can buy?
How you can help us pls . Our saw is bent so bad
Very good! He would probably call the law after looking at my blade!
This is great just got timber tuff equipment disk bench type sharpener for chainsaws old school fans😀😀 take care again.
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Can you please come teach our saw doctors in India.
Hammering saws is almost a lost art . I was a sawyer for 7 years ( Chip-N-Saw Mark V ) . I worked in the saw filing room , replacing carbide inserts , sharpening , grinding plainer, chipper , edger and CNS knives . I disagree on one point : WD 40 will not keep the saws from rusting because it evaporates in a couple of days . We ran an oily rag over the metal and they would not rust for a couple of months .
I remember when I was fairly new to sawmill on green chain and cutting a huge cherry tree.saw hit a hallow spot and water was turned on full bore( normally ran at quarter to half open.when saw came out log I was amazed.never seen a saw dance around as though it was thin paper.it would go about cab out foot past center in both directions.I was told to take cover as operate was ducking outside.later it was explained that normally when it gets that hot and starts to wabble it will bind on guide and explode sending pieces of the almost six feet blade flying everywhere.I found out that operates dad saw blade explode and piece went through guys jaw removing all his lower teeth.that happened when I was about nine.had to have saw rehammered because it would not cut right until it was fixed.hammer guy was about 70 at that time and only one in area that hammered saws.with all the old timer Sawyer's and mill wrights gone that I knew I didn't even know how to check my blade on 1880 mill should I get it going.right now using woodmizer band mill to cut lumber.so glad time was taken to make,edit and post this video.thank you
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I wonder how long it took the old sawyers to figure out all these complex details to run a saw correctly.
I have the opportunity to be on a team of great Saw filers and would like help from some of you guys
So how many people still do this in our country? And is this the end of an error?
There are few going away like all the old trades
Every saw mill has saw filers or they send their saws to a saw shop, they have to be fixed so the trade isn't going away in that sense. With that said there are very few filers, the saw shops stay busy.
How much it is
How much is this blade
Good job. I've been a Saw Filer for 38 years and I never benched large circles. I've done mostly bands and circles up to about 28 inches. I've fitted large circle saws. There is not many people in the Filing trade anymore. We can't find anyone out there to hire, we have to train in house.
Same shortage in Australia mate for Saw Technicians only slowly on the improve now with more apprenticeships being offered in house.
Very neat video. I doubt I would’ve ever needed to watch it.
But that’s no reason not to
I hope this gentleman has an apprentice, to many of these types of skills are being lost.
Thanks
How much is this bladder
Do you still hammer? Could I get info on where you are? Email address? Thanks
I don't care how good you are , you're not going teach someone how to bench,press,or hammer a saw in 38 minutes
Now we're going to change the lighting. Turns off lights.