As a millennial Kansas Citian, I want to mention that a big part of the nostalgia for the ZZ was that it had a significantly lower height requirement than the other coasters, so for people in a specific age range, it was basically everybody in the city's first rollercoaster. Apparently, the reboot will also have a lower height req, so it can carry on that tradition. The Orient Express was a better coaster (in most people's opinion), but nothing can touch the nostalgia of your first coaster, especially when it's a shared experience with so many friends and family members.
The Zambezi Zinger is the coaster that made me realize I loved roller coasters. I rode it in 1977 when I was visiting from out of town as a 10 year old, visiting my favorite aunt and uncle. He was in the Air Force and they left the following year so I never made it back. The new one is a nice homage and I’m glad to see it, but I think I like the other one better. I’m going to have to go to Columbia someday to ride it.
Absolutely. I grew up near Great America in Gurnee, IL, and the Whizzer is the same model of coaster as the original ZZ. It was EVERYONE's first coaster in the area. It was my one of my first coasters. It was the first for both my grandkids and for one of my kids. I also took my nephews on their first coaster ride on it as well. It was why everyone screamed when they threatened to tear it down for Superman. Glad they didn't.
This. From Chicago, but the Whizzer was the same there. 36” height requirement made it the first non-kiddie roller coaster most of us were ever able to ride. Same model as the ZZ. Glad to hear the neo-ZZ will carry that on. I wish it really was as low as 36”, but unfortunately nowadays a lot of parks impose non-safety-based height reqs on coasters as a de facto age req to avoid scared kids and annoyed parents.
Zambezi Zinger is one of the most memorable coasters for me. It was one of my first that I ever rode, and I can remember my dad and I getting stuck on it for about half an hour in the blazing hot sun right at the top of the spiral lift. Despite that, I still loved it as a child!
I am stoked for this coaster since the last coaster to open at WOF was the prowler in 2009. I always used to ask older friends and family what their favorite coaster at WOF was during their childhood, and most of them said the Zambezi Zinger was the best one. And the fact its not only coming back, but its coming back as a newer, smoother, taller, and hopefully funner rollercoaster is amazing. And I am also curious about the new trains and track, I wonder if we will see more of this "TITAN" track in the future. I do wish the new model had the old tunnel or at least an inversion considering the park only has 1 GOOD inverting coaster (patriot) and hasn't even had any coasters announced AT ALL for over 10 years. I hope I can ride this on opening day, and I hope it exceeds my expectations. This is also a sign of cedar fair investing more attractions into this park and several other small parks over the next couple of years. and I hope that I live to see the day that timber wolf gets RMC'd (or replaced with some sort of launched coaster) cause it takes up SOOOOOO much space, I mean you could fit 1-2 rollercoasters and a flat ride in that kind of space.
1. I’ll echo what you said about the original ZZ. My dad’s side of the family grew up going to WoF and still to this day about about the original. It’s always caused me to be really curious about it myself. I’m stoked they are bringing it back in spirit. This is a dream come true for me. 2. There’s apparently a tunnel according to the press release, but it was omitted from the concept POV. 3. There are rumors already swirling that the next coaster will be a replacement for The Orient Express. I sure hope this is true. If so, I imagine it will be a sit-down looping coaster of some sort. 4. I don’t think Cedar Fair will ever invest again in RMC. There’s a reason they haven’t built more since the one year they built any. I’m told by very reliable sources that RMC as a company is difficult to work with and their rides are plagued with issues. Some more of that has recently been coming to light to the general coaster enthusiasts, such as Lightning Rod’s transformation, Railblazer’s and Vengeance’s structural issues, etc.. I would expect if this ride is a success from an upkeep POV to see Titan Track conversions instead of Iron Horse conversions. GCI created Topper Track to be a direct competitor to RMC - we just haven’t seen any parks bite yet. I still wouldn’t expect Timber Wolf to get converted as they just put a ton of money into it over the last 5 years restoring almost every foot of track.
As a millennial Kansas Citian, I want to mention that a big part of the nostalgia for the ZZ was that it had a significantly lower height requirement than the other coasters, so for people in a specific age range, it was basically everybody in the city's first rollercoaster. Apparently, the reboot will also have a lower height req, so it can carry on that tradition. The Orient Express was a better coaster, but nothing can touch the nostalgia of your first coaster, especially when it's a shared experience with so many friends and family members.
I never rode Zambezi Zinger but I think Whizzer at Six Flags Great America is pretty similar in layout or at least elements. Great model of coaster as strange as they were. But we all know GCI kills it every time they build a new coaster and this thing looks amazing.
KC born and raised, I have fond memories of the original ZZ! I have been so excited since hearing about the reboot, can't wait to ride it! Thanks for this comparison, I totally forgot about the tunnel!
So the first ever GCI hybrid coaster is based on an old Schwarzkopf jet coaster? That was definitely not on my list of predictions. Decent addition to the park, though. I hope it opens te door to more of these.
The funny thing is... I've ridden the original. I can't actually believe that. Apparently, it was relocated to my home country, Colombia. And being born and raised in Colombia... Our family frequently visited the park it relocated to. I don't remember riding the damn thing because I was like 3 OR 4 years old. So I can technically say I did ride the original but I don't remember much other than some faint pictures in my head going down those drops.
I love how you create these old/new pov comparisons! I think this will be a good fit for WoF, but it’s a little weird they’re getting a second GCI in my opinion, since they already have Prowler.
Just noticed another detail. After coming around the lift hill goes right into a good left turn, which was a highlight of the original, and the sequence after that should give some good laterals.
As a millennial coaster loving kid from the Midwest I was so sad when ZZ, and orient express were removed. So glad worlds of fun is finally getting something new
Wooden Schwarzkopf doesn’t exist, it can’t hurt you: Wooden schwarzkopf. But it looks like a fun ride can’t wait to see how the finished product turns out.
There is a lot more missing unless that animation isn't close to what it will be. It can't be as fast since it doesn't climb upward as long and if the structure is accurate in the animation it won't be that exposed feeling of the original and while I understand why the seating had to be changed in this day and age it added alot to the thrill of the ride. This will be the Zinger in name only if it's true to the animation.
@@mikeyoung9810 The new one is 74 feet tall; the old one was only 57 feet tall. The reason for the shorter lift time is simply that the lift is significantly faster.
@@mpf1947 it would appear the the lift uses some type of electromagnetic repulsive/attractive motors? I liked the tunnel at the end of the original, I hope it will be incorporated in the new version.
@@kcrykerrider7471 well I never rode it at worlds of fun but I would assume that it is more rough cause the tropical climate rusts it and heat shrinks it(??? don't fact check it im not a scientist)
@@ceek16 Not fact checked, just a mathematician with multiple courses in physics: heat causes metal to expand, cold causes it to contract (shrink). Rust could cause a more rough ride, especially if it has pitted the track, this could cause a lot of vibration.
Huge fan. Am an engineering student too, interested in coasters. Just wanted to know did you work during the school year too or just during the summer?
Going to feel super unique with them switching from Titan track to normal wood track. Anybody whos ridden white lightning at sunspot Orlando will know what im talking about. Rough as shit to smooth as glass then back to rough as shit
I’m a zoomer so I’ve never been on the original, but this new one is mind bogglingly intense. I was expecting an airtime based ride like prowler but I got lateral g’s so intense that all I saw was gray. Absolutely my new favorite ride mamba doesn’t have shit on zinger
Hey 👋🏻 Um, look I totally get that this is just a small new coaster thing in compared to the vast world of theme park content you cover, but around where I live this whole thing was a big deal. There was love, heartbreak, and drama… outrage… many of us will never forget and I’m pretty sure that’s why this is happening. Someone with some video creation experience and a decently sized UA-cam channel should totally make that documentary 😉😉😉🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😭💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Wow I think they missed out on what made the Zambezi zinger special...and the whizzer for that matter... and that is the log flume type trains...the bonding between parent and child going through a super thrilling ride ( for the kid) together.
I have never been on the new one but I have been on the original. By looking at the comparison, the original is still by far the better coaster of the two.
It wasn't dangerous. It just had a fast, free feeling experience as you never were exposed to g forces that wanted to remove you from the car. It was broken down a lot though but since those rides back then were mostly run by teenagers I guess that shouldn't have been a surprise. Standing in line in the direct sun in 90+F days in very humid summers was the danger. It always had long lines waiting.
A Schwarzkopf is a Schwarzkopf and you can’t re-create one with wood. It’s not even an homage. And no, the original was not all that similar to Whizzer, our classic speedracer here in Chicago. Whizzer’s long first drop is iconic, and immediately throws you into the ground hugging turns and helices that Wizard is known for. Whizzer’s drops are better too, and it is much better paced and balanced. And of course, we still have it.
It's too bad they won't keep the same car design as the original because those single-file seating, rocket-shaped cars were the BEST! - NOTHING like them.
It looks closer to the original Willard’s Whizzer from California’s Great America. The looting of Great America’s Blueprints has begun. Thanks Cedar Fair. 😢
Love the comparisons! It wasn’t until they announced this today that I learned that the park used to have a Schwarzkopf!
They used to have 2, Zambezi and they also had a Wildcat called Schussboomer!
This one actually still exists. It's in Columbia.
They did and have been going here for a whild
@@urbex_coasters It's in Coffee's park in Quindio, Colombia, its actual name it's "Montaña Rusa".
As a millennial Kansas Citian, I want to mention that a big part of the nostalgia for the ZZ was that it had a significantly lower height requirement than the other coasters, so for people in a specific age range, it was basically everybody in the city's first rollercoaster. Apparently, the reboot will also have a lower height req, so it can carry on that tradition. The Orient Express was a better coaster (in most people's opinion), but nothing can touch the nostalgia of your first coaster, especially when it's a shared experience with so many friends and family members.
The Zambezi Zinger is the coaster that made me realize I loved roller coasters. I rode it in 1977 when I was visiting from out of town as a 10 year old, visiting my favorite aunt and uncle. He was in the Air Force and they left the following year so I never made it back. The new one is a nice homage and I’m glad to see it, but I think I like the other one better. I’m going to have to go to Columbia someday to ride it.
Absolutely. I grew up near Great America in Gurnee, IL, and the Whizzer is the same model of coaster as the original ZZ. It was EVERYONE's first coaster in the area. It was my one of my first coasters. It was the first for both my grandkids and for one of my kids. I also took my nephews on their first coaster ride on it as well. It was why everyone screamed when they threatened to tear it down for Superman. Glad they didn't.
This. From Chicago, but the Whizzer was the same there. 36” height requirement made it the first non-kiddie roller coaster most of us were ever able to ride. Same model as the ZZ. Glad to hear the neo-ZZ will carry that on. I wish it really was as low as 36”, but unfortunately nowadays a lot of parks impose non-safety-based height reqs on coasters as a de facto age req to avoid scared kids and annoyed parents.
Zambezi Zinger is one of the most memorable coasters for me. It was one of my first that I ever rode, and I can remember my dad and I getting stuck on it for about half an hour in the blazing hot sun right at the top of the spiral lift. Despite that, I still loved it as a child!
How fitting that the Park is going back to its roots for its 50th anniversary next year!
I am stoked for this coaster since the last coaster to open at WOF was the prowler in 2009. I always used to ask older friends and family what their favorite coaster at WOF was during their childhood, and most of them said the Zambezi Zinger was the best one. And the fact its not only coming back, but its coming back as a newer, smoother, taller, and hopefully funner rollercoaster is amazing. And I am also curious about the new trains and track, I wonder if we will see more of this "TITAN" track in the future. I do wish the new model had the old tunnel or at least an inversion considering the park only has 1 GOOD inverting coaster (patriot) and hasn't even had any coasters announced AT ALL for over 10 years. I hope I can ride this on opening day, and I hope it exceeds my expectations. This is also a sign of cedar fair investing more attractions into this park and several other small parks over the next couple of years. and I hope that I live to see the day that timber wolf gets RMC'd (or replaced with some sort of launched coaster) cause it takes up SOOOOOO much space, I mean you could fit 1-2 rollercoasters and a flat ride in that kind of space.
1. I’ll echo what you said about the original ZZ. My dad’s side of the family grew up going to WoF and still to this day about about the original. It’s always caused me to be really curious about it myself. I’m stoked they are bringing it back in spirit. This is a dream come true for me.
2. There’s apparently a tunnel according to the press release, but it was omitted from the concept POV.
3. There are rumors already swirling that the next coaster will be a replacement for The Orient Express. I sure hope this is true. If so, I imagine it will be a sit-down looping coaster of some sort.
4. I don’t think Cedar Fair will ever invest again in RMC. There’s a reason they haven’t built more since the one year they built any. I’m told by very reliable sources that RMC as a company is difficult to work with and their rides are plagued with issues. Some more of that has recently been coming to light to the general coaster enthusiasts, such as Lightning Rod’s transformation, Railblazer’s and Vengeance’s structural issues, etc.. I would expect if this ride is a success from an upkeep POV to see Titan Track conversions instead of Iron Horse conversions. GCI created Topper Track to be a direct competitor to RMC - we just haven’t seen any parks bite yet. I still wouldn’t expect Timber Wolf to get converted as they just put a ton of money into it over the last 5 years restoring almost every foot of track.
As a millennial Kansas Citian, I want to mention that a big part of the nostalgia for the ZZ was that it had a significantly lower height requirement than the other coasters, so for people in a specific age range, it was basically everybody in the city's first rollercoaster. Apparently, the reboot will also have a lower height req, so it can carry on that tradition. The Orient Express was a better coaster, but nothing can touch the nostalgia of your first coaster, especially when it's a shared experience with so many friends and family members.
@@bentonbrightwell8953 nah bro they gonna rmc wildcat
OMG. The Final Jeopardy thinking music waiting for the original coaster to finish its climb is brilliant.
I had to hide in the tunnel of the OG during a tornado a couple decades back. forgot all about it until now
I still prefer the original. It has that certain charm to it.
This is awesome - thanks for putting it together!
part of me hopes they could do something similar for orient express in the future!
a complete replica of the Orient Expess just like the original is the ONLY way to bring it back.
@@expfighter5112 no, actually you can bring it back without doing that
Those banked turns look pretty fun ngl
I never rode Zambezi Zinger but I think Whizzer at Six Flags Great America is pretty similar in layout or at least elements. Great model of coaster as strange as they were. But we all know GCI kills it every time they build a new coaster and this thing looks amazing.
I was just thinking the same thing that this ride looks identical to the whizzer!
KC born and raised, I have fond memories of the original ZZ! I have been so excited since hearing about the reboot, can't wait to ride it! Thanks for this comparison, I totally forgot about the tunnel!
So the first ever GCI hybrid coaster is based on an old Schwarzkopf jet coaster? That was definitely not on my list of predictions. Decent addition to the park, though. I hope it opens te door to more of these.
This isn’t the first GCI hybrid coaster. Other GCI hybrids include White Lightning and InvadR. It isn’t even the first GCI with Titan Track.
@@triple7marc Fine. First Ever GCI Full Ground-Up Steel Titan Track Hybrid Coaster That's Not Any Of The Other Ones
I'm now stoked for summer of 2023, my grandparents talked fondly about the Zambezi Zinger and now we got a new one
1:47 love that new ending, pretty cool that they line it up so you get to watch that red steel coaster stall upside down in a loop for 20a 😂
The funny thing is... I've ridden the original. I can't actually believe that. Apparently, it was relocated to my home country, Colombia. And being born and raised in Colombia... Our family frequently visited the park it relocated to. I don't remember riding the damn thing because I was like 3 OR 4 years old. So I can technically say I did ride the original but I don't remember much other than some faint pictures in my head going down those drops.
1:30 I recognize that iconic scream from the lightning rod pov
This is by far the coolest coaster any of the smaller Cedar Fair or Six Flags parks have gotten in many, many years.
RMC: converts wooden coaster to steel
GCI: converts steel coaster to wooden
OK. What ever they smoked over there, I need it
I love how you create these old/new pov comparisons! I think this will be a good fit for WoF, but it’s a little weird they’re getting a second GCI in my opinion, since they already have Prowler.
Now bring back the Orenient Express and the best ride ever the Tram Cars that took over the park from one sided to the other.
loved that tunnel 😢
First Woodie with a spiral lift.
(EDIT: nevermind, it'll use Titan Track, so it's technically a hybrid)
It only uses TT throughout small sections of the ride.
@@bentonbrightwell8953 I was going by what RCDB label it, that being a steel hybrid coaster.
I hope they add the tunnel element to the new coaster!!!
Spent summers in Kansas City when I was a kid in the 80s. This was first coaster!
1:30 Oh god they used the 3d rendering coaster announcement scream
New one just needs a tunnel or some rock work to fly by. Or a mist machine. Something.
Worlds of fun comfirmed that there is a tunnel but it’s still in development so it wasn’t included in the animation.
Looks like something new for casual people pleasure
I'm on it
New one seems to be a much smoother ride
Just noticed another detail. After coming around the lift hill goes right into a good left turn, which was a highlight of the original, and the sequence after that should give some good laterals.
As a millennial coaster loving kid from the Midwest I was so sad when ZZ, and orient express were removed. So glad worlds of fun is finally getting something new
It will be awesome to see this type of wooden coaster at Carowinds
Thank you so much for this video!
The original zinger appears to be the same model at the Wizzer at Six Flags Great America
Wooden Schwarzkopf doesn’t exist, it can’t hurt you:
Wooden schwarzkopf.
But it looks like a fun ride can’t wait to see how the finished product turns out.
Nice that WOF will finally get a new one-of-a-kind coaster
Now bring back The Orient Express!
Thats so cool! I know people are going to be excited for this one as we are!
i love how ride animations always have a random seagull scream in the middle of the ride
I love how we have to wait for the original one to actually make its way up the hill but either way I am riding this tm bc I live in north Kansas City
So, Mystic Timbers meets Schwarzkopf. Looks like a blast!
Only thing it's missing is the tunnel. I'm crossing my fingers that they can add a tunnel before 2023 or maybe sometime in the future.
There will be a tunnel, it just isn’t in the animation.
There is a lot more missing unless that animation isn't close to what it will be. It can't be as fast since it doesn't climb upward as long and if the structure is accurate in the animation it won't be that exposed feeling of the original and while I understand why the seating had to be changed in this day and age it added alot to the thrill of the ride. This will be the Zinger in name only if it's true to the animation.
@@mikeyoung9810 The new one is 74 feet tall; the old one was only 57 feet tall. The reason for the shorter lift time is simply that the lift is significantly faster.
@@mpf1947 it would appear the the lift uses some type of electromagnetic repulsive/attractive motors? I liked the tunnel at the end of the original, I hope it will be incorporated in the new version.
@@markchriestenson3257 it uses drive tires.
It looks like it'll be great fun! Excellent!
元々のコースやロケーションが素晴らしいからこそ！
i managed to ride the original zambezi zinger in the park that it was relocated to in colombia,
let me just say that my back hurts now
Was it more rough, or are we just getting older? :)
@@kcrykerrider7471 well I never rode it at worlds of fun but I would assume that it is more rough cause the tropical climate rusts it and heat shrinks it(??? don't fact check it im not a scientist)
@@ceek16 Not fact checked, just a mathematician with multiple courses in physics: heat causes metal to expand, cold causes it to contract (shrink). Rust could cause a more rough ride, especially if it has pitted the track, this could cause a lot of vibration.
Plus relocated coasters are never as smooth, especially terrain coasters
@@stevenohlson5476 I don't know that I have ridden a relocated one before. I think the roughest one I have been on is Thunderation at SDC
Huge fan. Am an engineering student too, interested in coasters. Just wanted to know did you work during the school year too or just during the summer?
I didn’t realize the og was steel I wonder why they didn’t go with a steel manufacturer but I like how it adds something that nobody else has
So what ur telling me is gci is rmcing a old steel coaster
What kind of lift did the old version use up the spiral?
Electric powerstrip in the middle, but for Zz2 boosterwheels are Very Schwarzkopf-esque!
@@JSInOrbit I’m such a sucker for boosterwheels!!!
Going to feel super unique with them switching from Titan track to normal wood track. Anybody whos ridden white lightning at sunspot Orlando will know what im talking about. Rough as shit to smooth as glass then back to rough as shit
Hopefully, as it is a new gci, it won’t be rough even on the wood. Mystic timber’s wasn’t, so hope for the best.
That old zinger tho!!! 🔥
great video
I’m a zoomer so I’ve never been on the original, but this new one is mind bogglingly intense. I was expecting an airtime based ride like prowler but I got lateral g’s so intense that all I saw was gray. Absolutely my new favorite ride mamba doesn’t have shit on zinger
my dad is gonna flip when he sees this one is coming back
I wouldve loved to have ridden the original!!
I wonder if WOF can expand the size of their park, or is it land locked.
this is cool!
Who’s the builder?
Why did they even get rid of the zinger
Hey 👋🏻 Um, look I totally get that this is just a small new coaster thing in compared to the vast world of theme park content you cover, but around where I live this whole thing was a big deal. There was love, heartbreak, and drama… outrage… many of us will never forget and I’m pretty sure that’s why this is happening. Someone with some video creation experience and a decently sized UA-cam channel should totally make that documentary 😉😉😉🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😭💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
No tunnel???
Is it just me, or are the only similarities between the two the spiral lift and the name? Everything else looks like a completely different coaster.
Wow I think they missed out on what made the Zambezi zinger special...and the whizzer for that matter... and that is the log flume type trains...the bonding between parent and child going through a super thrilling ride ( for the kid) together.
I agree. I can understand why they changed the seating but it added a lot to the ride.
Great adventure should do something like this for rolling thunder
finally missouri is getting good rides other than at sdc
The screams are coming from the video on the right
I live next door to WOF. They better do it right.
If you don't like family coasters, try bringing your family! The more the merrier.
Awwww, no tunnel?!
I have never been on the new one but I have been on the original. By looking at the comparison, the original is still by far the better coaster of the two.
"Nothin like a good classic" 👴🏻
Exciting to know and see a legend is returning to Kansas City 🎢🎢🎢🎢🎢
Ooooooooo! Needs a tunnel and a downward helix helix helix
Is that a theme park worldwide reference..I love it
M I trippin or the two lines means zambezi zinger 2... much like ravine flyer 2
So WOF looks to be getting a better new coaster than CP?
Why not 😎
I forgot how dangerous this coaster was it didn't have any seatbelts lol
It wasn't dangerous. It just had a fast, free feeling experience as you never were exposed to g forces that wanted to remove you from the car. It was broken down a lot though but since those rides back then were mostly run by teenagers I guess that shouldn't have been a surprise. Standing in line in the direct sun in 90+F days in very humid summers was the danger. It always had long lines waiting.
I'm already calling it Shambezi Zinger or Fakezi Zinger
A Schwarzkopf is a Schwarzkopf and you can’t re-create one with wood. It’s not even an homage. And no, the original was not all that similar to Whizzer, our classic speedracer here in Chicago. Whizzer’s long first drop is iconic, and immediately throws you into the ground hugging turns and helices that Wizard is known for. Whizzer’s drops are better too, and it is much better paced and balanced. And of course, we still have it.
The original looks super smooth…..
It was. I rode it many many times in Kansas City Missouri. Smooth and fast with no restraints. This new one will be fun I'm sure but it's not zinger.
Should've gotten a Schwarzkopf
Now, the next - something similar to the Orient Express. That spinning coaster looks horrible in the old spot. Looks so out of place, don't like it.
There's barely any titan track lol
I wish you started the comparison at the bottom of both lift hills
The original ride was made from steel, the new ride will be a hybrid!
No crap sherlock
3rd
OG was better. That TUNNEL!
It's too bad they won't keep the same car design as the original because those single-file seating, rocket-shaped cars were the BEST! - NOTHING like them.
What would make this perfect is if the seating style is exactly the same
EDIT: They will be using Infinity Flyer trains. Too bad
i rode the original Zinger in the 70's and 80's many many times, this new one is not even close! i will not ride.
It looks closer to the original Willard’s Whizzer from California’s Great America. The looting of Great America’s Blueprints has begun. Thanks Cedar Fair. 😢
This coaster looks like just another GCI. Also they were gonna market this as titan track but there’s barely any on the coaster
Feel like that gets said about every GCI then when people ride it, it's great.
It's gonna be all titan
second
original was better i been on it and it was a lot better
This is blasphemy. Nothing can replace the OG Zinger. Maybe shouldn't have sold it off to a theme park in brazil.
I totally agree. And I think it was Columbia.
first
bet you get all the women
@@kerrmapolice 😂
Original was better
Are you gay with that one blonde guy or is he just a gay friend lmao sorry if thats intruding