honestly it would be kind of funny to be an elderly link that finds a young boy coincidentally called link and you train him, traveling together up until he vanishes and you feel obligated to pull your gear together again and get back to your old days just to save the young boy you adopted like a son. on the journey you uncover that he is to become the new hero and feel more the need to save him.
I prefer the idea that he's not celebrating, hes just standing there. Knowing what happened, knowing his successor won, and he looks on in peace, proud of the new Link
I like to imagine Gramps looking on from the distance during the final battle bow and silver arrows in hand, ready and waiting to jump in if the younger link should fall, only to back away smiling and unnoticed as the young hero prevails, feeling no need to take their moment of triumph and glory from them. He remembers well how his own moment shaped him into the man he is today, how it sparked in him the love for adventure that drove him to travel, see the world, and find people, places, and experiences which still bring a smile to his face as he reminisces all these decades later. Had the hero needed him, he would be there, but he would not steal their glory.
Now I want a Zelda game that's a Batman Beyond/Mask of Zorro scenario where an Old Link takes on an unchosen young Link as a protégé and trains him to defeat Ganon.
If the game was ever turned into an animated series, it already has the potential to expand in Gramps and Link's interactions to make it so.@@matthewmuir8884
Old Link: *Gets into pottery "Wow, this stuff takes a long time to make! I can't believe I smashed these things willy nilly back then" New Link: *Enters house, sword ready in hand. Old Link: "Oh my god"
@@Darenz-cg9zg Him being alive but not sent out also could mean he is backup for the other. If the new hero fell, he'd probably go out to reprise his role. Lorule looks a lot like the dark world, so he'd probably be able to adjust faster than the new one. Sorta like a contingency plan, something the goddesses would definitely want after the hero of time fell.
I could genuinely see a Batman Beyond/Mask of Zorro scenario where the chosen hero recognizes that they're too old, so they train an unchosen protégé to defeat Ganon.
@@matthewmuir8884 Or maybe something like StarWars: A New Hope, where old man link accepts death at Darth Ganon's hands, so the Triforce of Courage can pass on to the new kid with a familiar sword he just met in a cantina on the edge of the Gerudo Desert two hours ago.
@@BlackEpyon Maybe, but I think that would be better as something saved for the end of the story (kind of like the original Zorro's death at the end of The Mask of Zorro) and the new Link spending most of the game being infused with some of the Triforce of Courage's power by Old Link in a similar way that Ganondorf infused Zant with some of the Triforce of Power's power. Another thing that would be cool would be if Old Link essentially acts as the adventuring-companion in the game; communicating to Link through a magic device like Tetra and the King sometimes do in Wind Waker. Imagine New Link using that item to ask for hints, and Old Link thinking to himself, "I hope it never took me this long to figure out a puzzle when I was your age." One more small thing that could be interesting would be if the new Link has more personal conflict with Ganon's main minion (like Wind Waker Link vs the Helmaroc King because of the Helmaroc King abducting Link's sister), so Old Link initially keeps Ganon occupied while new Link fights said minion, and then new Link fights Ganon immediately afterward.
Dude is bald from wearing a hat for years. To the dude who brought up Ashe Ketchum, and to all who think bringing up another hat wearing protagonist is a good idea... Stop coattailling my jokes.
@@evdoge820 both are badass.one refused the rule of a the goddess to be reincarnated in another link so he gets his skills,and the other force's the gods to make him a hero.both pretty damm hardcore
Yesss, I love that about WW Link. He proved himself worthy through sheer bravery and determination, even though it wasn’t his destiny from birth. He’s the only Link who truly chose his own destiny.
After seeing the evidence and knowing the fact multiple Zeldas with the power have been alive at the same time. I'm thoroughly convinced the Gramps is the Hero of Legend.
@@00220022inferno The main two are the links from A Link Between Worlds and the Hero of Legend. But Princess Zelda from between A Link to the Past and the Original Legend of Zelda was put into a magical sleep. This surviving through the entire Legend of Zelda, and Zelda 2 until the very end when she was awoken. That is two right there off the top of my head. More will require research to check my facts.
@YGuy1 right! Plus I feel like Zelda and Link are more titles/names given to the Goddess and Hero. Not like an actual name but a classification. Which could explain why we normally have the option to name Link ourselves.
Josh Adkins That incorrect. Sleeping zelda is not from any other zelda game. She from the later part of the downfall timeline in which a angry wizard cast a sleeping spell on her cause she would not tell him or her brother about the missing triforce. Sleeping zelda is the only zelda to have a older brother, no other zelda from any of the games has no brother. People need to get their facts straight before giving out the wrong info to people on the net.
I want a direct sequel to Twilight Princess with the same hero - Hero of Light. I think he would be the best candidate for a grizzled old realistic "Logan" type of hero.
Stop enjoying yourself in your free time and get back to reuploading your time travel video to stick it to Toei, already. How dare you not constantly entertain us?
I have always wanted a Dark Souls style Zelda game about the Hero's Shade with horribly dark and depressing themes, with Hero of Time Link as a badass grey haired, wise old man, traveling through the ages and failing, with themes of lonlieness and utter hopelessness
Link:Don’t make me come over there Ganon! I’ve got the mas- the maste- **snores** Neighbor: hi yes the crazy old guy next door is still talking about a master sword and some Ganon guy
I really like the idea of this theory, especially since another smaller headcanon I also like (but is also sad) is that every Link is doomed to die young. Seeing the hero of legend might've lived on to old age makes me happy :)
late but hero of time link canonically lives until hes old enough to have children at the least, as the hero of twilight link is a direct descendent of his.
@@eddyangstman yeah, not too young, just in general. For time Link specifically I see him dying in his 20s, which is still pretty young, but old enough that he could have had a wife.
@@nottrustworthy6361 the theory that Time Link is seen wearing plate armor because he had to fight in a war when he was old and therefore wasn't as agile as before just makes sense to me. I'd say he died in his 50s. This would be enough time to establish a tradition of training swordsmen at Ordon village which serve Hyrule royalty.
@@narcotic9887 Fierce Deity Link: And I am a Legendary Hylian God! Old link: What is a god... TO A NON-BELIEVER!/* Old link tries to demolish Fierce Deity Link*/ Fierce Deity Link:Hyah! Old Link:/*dies*/
@@caballthesayiangodofwar9426 False. The Hero of Legend has the Silver Arrows, capable of even eradicating the possible omnipotent Ganon; Even the powerful Fierce Deity Link can be damaged...
I have seen this theory many times before now, but you probably presented it the best I've seen here, and clearly laid out all the points very well. Good job!
I had just got ALBW working with the 3ds emulator and now because of this video I have the urge to play it and also the Links Awakening remake they better get that switch emulator working better as the legend continues and there many reasons to play every Zelda with these games being the reason for emulation for what game worked best on the Super Nintendo A Link to the Past and with the N64 emulation the Ocarina of Time and every then on to every Nintendo emulator there is period.
@Nooby Knight he never specified he was pirating the games. It is of course possible to emulate games on pc by copying the data from a copy you already own onto your PC. (although that is a very rare case, but you shouldn't just assume emulation = piracy)
The possibility of two Links being able to exist at the same time makes me want a SpiderVerse-style story with multiple heroes of legend coming together to face some existential threat
@@thatssovenus fair point, counterpoint he does talk to npc's a bunch in the game even holding relatively complex conversations. If you read my comment or payed attention to the game (whichever one caused you to point it out), zelda wrote her dairy before his fall to Gannon, bolstering the theory not hindering it.
@Blank L yes but before he loses his memories he tells zelda why he doesn't talk much. He is shouldering burdens in silence as to keep them to himself and not relinquish them onto others.
Someone didn't read Zelda's diary. He's just quiet when he's under stress. "Bit by bit, I've gotten Link to open up to me. It turns out he's quite a glutton. He can't resist a delicious meal! When I finally got around to asking why he's so quiet all the time, I could tell it was difficult for him to say. But he did. With so much at stake, and so many eyes upon him, he feels it necessary to stay strong and to silently bear any burden. A feeling I know all too well... For him, it has caused him to stop outwardly expressing his thoughts and feelings." He had to have had several conversations with Zelda in order to open up to her "bit by bit" Also, in several of his memories he is seen alone with each of the champions. They all had quite a bit to say to him, unless they all like to monologue for hours on end. And I doubt waking up to not knowing anything about yourself and being sent on a quest by a fraking ghost is a relaxing time that allows one to loosen up.
It's possible that when the hero "reincarnates" it's just the hero's spirit housed within the master sword choosing the next hero to share the power with. This would explain having two heroes at one time as well as the hero of legend retaining some of the strength despite not having the original masterword. So not only would Fi and the power of the goddess be in the mastersword but also the hero himself in some ambiguous form.
So basically the Master Sword is a Pokéball you can kill monsters and the monster king himself with.. Link when throwing the Master Sword: ,,MASTER SWORD, GOOOO!"
That makes me think, Link kinda reminds me of Finn from adventure time. Finn also has a heroes spirit that reincarnates. Finn has reincarnated 6 times starting from the blue catalyst comet, To a butterfly, To a "thing", To a girl named Shoko, To Finn himself, And to shermy.
Except not every hero wields the Master Sword The Hero of men Minish Cap Four Swords Four Swords Adventures Spirit Tracks None of these ever use the Master Sword
I like this theory. Perhaps he used his illusion magic in the last battle to create a semblance with the strength of his prime. Imagine it, fully grown Link in his prime. A sword that could fell about anything in a single strike.
Oh my goddess this is actually an insanely possible theory and makes a lot of sense considering his boss fight as always your theories are super intresting like the death sword theory
Game * Star 64 Except that there can’t physically be two links. The series has been pretty clear that all the Link’s share the same “unbreakable spirit of the hero.”
@@Tunic_ true and in a way they both share the same goal, the old man is helping to prepare the hero and train him in sword combat just like the hero shade
The oldest we’ve ever seen Link was 17 years old. That is of course if you discount the BotW Link’s chronological age. Since the Zelda franchise is 33 years old, I think it would be cool and speak to a lot of the older fan base if Nintendo went ahead and gave us Link as an older protagonist. Hell, at this point, a Link in his 40s would be relatable. lol
@@CPT85 He was. Skyward Sword's Link n' Zelda, they'd both be 17 years old. Then the ones in Ocarina of Time in the Hero of Time era (and the kid timeline in the 7 years after Ganondorf's criminal intentions got exposed, which led to the war that destroyed the Hyrule they knew).
that was the first Zelda game I was introduced to, I was 5 years old at the time, glad to see the old man is still kicking it and is as strong as ever. it makes sense that it is him, no one else can wield that sword and shield but link. makes sense why that village is still standing my boy link watches it like a hawk.
Like a darker gritty story. A link who's probably pretty board, as I imagine hes already done every side quest.. Like a mix between one punch man and Logan. Looking for adventure, and excitement, but is also worn down from his years
@@theultimoknight1725 oh, like a DLC about the future? That would probably be the most realistic way to incorporate this type of story into a zelda game
I have always wanted a Dark Souls style Zelda game about the Hero's Shade with horribly dark and depressing themes, with Hero of Time Link as a badass grey haired, wise old man, traveling through the ages and failing, with themes of lonlieness and utter hopelessness
I would love, LOVE to play as old man Link! A battle-worn, weary old Link that's already bested Gannon at least once and is ready to settle down and retire, then BAM! Gannon comes back and now you have to play as old man Link while training up your successor, God of War style.
(...but I still want a Triforce Teamup. Even if it only exists in my fanfiction. Link actually having his triforce doin’ stuff beside “yer a Hero, Linkie!”, Zelda allowed to fully unleash her powers and pursue her interests in science and anthropology vs being damselled, a Ganondorf who isn’t the same one as the guy Twinrova keeps “resurtecting”/repeatedly sealed away just saying “yeah, we’re not doing that” to the whole “conquer the world by destroying it utterly” thing)
@@anonymousfellow8879 i had a similar idea, except ganondorf isnt really any different, theres just a new evil so big and so bad that even he is like "well screw this, i'd rather fight with them than let you succeed" similar to that moment in subspace emissary where link wakes ganondorf and rather than fight him simply points at the greater enemy above
trekman1701 Yeah. I just reeeeeaaaaaalllllyyyyy wanna see “Din’s Chosen” not be the designated bad guy/the Three just getting tired of rehashing the same ol’ cycle of their predecessors. It’s kinda been confirmed that what set Ganondorf on that path was getting fed up with his people dying due to being forced by the Hylians to live out in the desert with the only way to get the basic necessities to live was to take it by force (them being “thieves” implies...well, they can’t produce, and no one will trade with them. Hylians view them as prostituting savages...which as any woman can tell you, when a man thinks he has a “right” to you, ya tend to go Amazon just to be left alone.) And the Hylians are a pretty racist bunch to other groups, the Gerudo just get the shortest end of the stick (well, except maybe the Sheikah-servant race whose numbers have mysteriously been decimated in most games they appear? Honestly I can hardly blame them splintering into the Yiga or abandoning their skills in BotW)
Instead of a veteraned Link fighting a Ganon(dorf) he defeated once already, I'd like if they brought Aghanim and Vaati into the 3d games. Also the series needs more meaningful NPCs. For hyrule to be a kingdom, it always seems to have a lack of residents aside from 1-2 towns.
lAMZELLO If you subscribe to the historia, then technically “yes” If you’re like me and find Word of God stuff like the historia (ie, not actual games, but side content, interviews, etc) sketchy...then depends on your headcanon. Personally I have the most fun and least headache with just treating the games as standalone Legends UNLESS another game directly references an older game in such a way that ties it directly into its plot.
Worth to note, the Hero of Legend also happens to be one of 3 heroes who time travels... soo maybe he doesn't actually need to be 100-something years old
Zachary Erickson why? It makes more sense. The triforce sends link to holodrum/labrynna then link sails back to hyrule and that’s when he gets shipwrecked
Give us two links, an old one that is just past his prime, and a young one that isn't ready yet. You play both, first the old one, trying to defeat Ganon, but he can't. So he is defeated. Then, the young Link shows up and the old one trains him. Together they go out and defeat Ganon, complementing each others shortcomings. Heroic Sacrifice by the old one in the end is optional.
I mean to be fair, shadow link was powerful, but never a match for real Link. I'm pretty sure most of the Shadow Links were the dark forms or negative emotions that Link possessed, of which he always beat.. So... Shadow Link would never be a match for the Hero of Legend
Technically, yes he is, but in outward appearance, knowledge and other things that come with time, he is still the same age he was before he was laid to heal
I have never heard this theory and I didn't know I would want it! Like seriously I could write an entire fanfiction series with how much headcanon I have for Gramps just watching this: Link becoming so powerful and proud he challenges the gods and usurps one, but it's this long-drawn out diety conspiracy that humbles him. He sets out on one last quest to cure his immortality. The Triforce does not grant his wish, so to gain an even greater power, he learns that he must release enough energy for the wish he needs. He strikes it with a magical hammer with his Godly Strength, so hard it shakes the Dark World and creates an imperfect copy, of it and the Triforce, creating Lorule. This returns the mantle to the God of Valor, sufficiently weakening him enough for the spirit of the hero to become reincarnated once again. hmm ok the drugs are wearing off
I salute you old man, you're a veteran at any age, you'll always be remembered, you're the strongest guy in Hyrule, I cannot believe you're in four games, you are unstoppable!!!, And when you finally go, may your soul rest in peace, in the great sky or in the sacred realm with the three goddesses, LINK, MASTER OF HYRULE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean fair point, but Also, what's a game without deadly chicken swarms as an only unkillable threat? How elce can we WARN the next generation not to hit chickens with swords?
Rogan Majoras mask is literally about an entire world that gets destroyed over and over again with the inhabitants slowly realizing their fates as the days go on. That pretty dark in my opinion.
At first I thought that this would be a shitty theory about how the old man in the first game is the Hero but instead I got this very believable and coherente theory that I think is true. And for the fact that there can't be two hero at the same time, I don't think that Gramps is a hero anymore, he's fullfilled his role and I think that now he's just a buff old guy benefitting from all the training he had as a hero.
From the training he would be strong yes however, he wouldn't have the heroes cutting edge and clearly he is over powered, perhaps even stronger than the hero
A link to the past was the first video game I ever played and beat when I was a kid, and probably started my love of Zelda and video games. Hearing ya talk about my boy like a legend made me feel really nostalgic so thank you, now I'm off to be the hero once again.
Or it's the default music since he doesn't have a theme? I'm on board with this, but shouldn't we be sure of something before we make it a point of evidence. But maybe you know something I don't. Not a criticism, just curious.
This is one of those theories where it might as well be true because it's cool and doesn't really mess with any lore. It'd be cool if they confirm it in a future Zelda art book
I agree this theory could be true. I'd like confirmation from Nintendo but I really like this theory. Splitting the soul of the hero into 2 pieces is perfectly plausible if one hasn't died yet of old age or battle at that point
@@PK-Radio im..... Kinda sure if botw link could manipulatr time, he would have use it to go back in time to kill calamity before he kikls everything he loves....
I think the reincarnation problem comes from the Buddhist idea of reincarnation. In that type of reincarnation, Link would have to die, because it’s a single spirit (atman) transferring to a new body after death. However there’s nothing to say for sure that it works this way in Zelda. Also, the hero of legend and the man’s player name is Legendary? Icing on the cake. I totally buy this theory.
Yeah, that's what's getting me side with this theory despite that counter arguement. If the hero shade, even as an astral projection, can teach TP Link his techniques, doesn't that mean the Hero can't be a soul for soul reincarnation? The hero's shade would just literally be the soul of TP Link at that point.
I don't think any of the Links are reincarnations (I used to). I think it was said that they're all different Links except where it is stated that a certain Link is the same as a previous Link. If they were all reincarnated, then Link wouldn't have to find the Triforce of Courage and would always just naturally possess it like Ganon\dorf since he actually reincarnates.
XonyMudd well it’s stated in Hyrule Historia that every Link is a reincarnation of the original Link (the one in Skyward Sword) so it’s officially canon. Every Link is basically the same Link, just without the memories of his previous life.
@@Lillyz1112 The problem here is the logic contradicts itself then. If Link is a fully reincarnated soul every time, then hero shade shouldn't exist, because he would essentially be TP Link's spirit. To me, there's 3 options. There's a courageous essense that each Link is born with. Basically, it's more of an inherited attribute that is constantly being manifested in the heros that comes when there is need. The 2nd being that TP Link was somehow inwardly communing with his own reincarnated soul when he recieved lessons from the shade. Or 3rd, we just say they mixed it up, and it just doesn't mesh. I like trying to make sense of it, instead of just backing out by saying they got it wrong. That said, option 1 makes the most sense to me.
Joshua Coulter I think it does work with the hero‘s Shade cause he’s dead, the way I see it is that he’s just some lingering ghost-thingy that stays around after fulfilling his purpose. It isn’t stated that the Hero‘s Shade still has his soul, it might just be a bunch of negative energy that stayed around cause of regrets etc (cause it’s stated that OoT Link had quite a load of regrets and such). You first point is pretty much debunked because it’s specifically stated in the book that the soul of SS Link gets reborn. The 2nd could work as well cause it’s all playing inside his head basically, it seems that Link is always knocked out during their meetings, Midna never questions it either.
The music for Gramps in the End Credits put the nail in the wood, and being called "Legendary" hit it right on the head! I am convinced he is an older Link.
I think it’s cool how even with how powerful the link to a past link is, link between worlds link is still able to beat him. Like the links are getting stronger and stronger with each reincarnation.
Wow, I didn't even know this character existed in the game as a secret boss fight. When you connected the dots with the evidence I got chills, I think this theory is awesome.
Another hint that he's a Link is where he looks to be standing in the village with those 7 stones on the ground. Him in the middle with 6 all around him just like Link and the 6 sages in the sacred realm.
Haise Bunny Every. Single. One of MatPat’s videos makes a sex joke, at the expense of women. His “joke” about Child Zelda was particularly bad, and when I finally had enough. Really the only videos on that channel I enjoy anymore are when Austin’s doing them, because it’s simply geeking out over all the insane, world-eating numbers videogame logic would actually do if IRL
It would be really nice if gramps would mention Koholint Island or at least it's inhabitants. He promised to always remember them or at least to remember Marin. It would be a great callback to Links awakening
HE COULD BE! Here's why! People might say the soul or spirit of the hero cannot inhabit two people at once but there is clear evidence that is NOT TRUE, That Evidence? ZELDA HERSELF! Zelda in LoZ is the NEICE of Zelda from LoZII and the Link on those adventures, is the same Link. If The Goddess can occupy two Zeldas at once, why not her chosen hero?
Also shown in BotW: Every princess of Hyrule has the soul of the godess (and in this case, the triforce) as Zelda states in her diary. Her mother and grandmother had the same powers as her.
Oh my god. I always knew something was strange about him when I saw his representation in the credits... and I never knew you could fight him. Wow, this hit me hard.
this seems like a total possibility being as it is and his line saying hes glad hero's like "link" are still in this world keep up the good content, as long as they are possible i wont sleep
Great theory and I never played that one before BUT I'm sure that he's legendary Link from a link to the past. It all adds up. Man they make these Zelda games something to really think about.
This is so good. Amazing theory that fits perfectly the most badass and legendary Links of all. However, I'm also thorned about two Links at the same time. The soul of the champion of the goddess reincarnates every time the world is in great peril. So maybe it's not reincarnation process, but something like "being blessed or bestowed with the essence of the champion" and this blessing can apparently be shared. Now, Gramps being stronger than the two main bosses of the game makes me think that he still has the blessing or the soul of the champion within... he could have saved the world again by himself. It's a very complex character haha.
Omg...wait I JUST REALIZED THAT...okay just read this: If you speak to the male front guard in Zora’s domain, he’ll say to Link that the two used to play together as a child. He then says that he’s 130 years old. Okay, so I’m guessing everyone assumed that Link was about 118 but he must be older than that. When the guard was a child, Link wouldn’t have been born...unless he was older than that. Also, Mipha mentions in the “Mipha’s Touch” memory cutscene that, and I quote, “I thought it was odd that you looked older much sooner than I did.” What if he looked that way because he WAS older. So, had Link lied about his age? Regardless, he forgot about it from amnesia so it doesn’t really matter now, but still...
It was explicitly part of BotW that Zora have FAR longer lifespans. ALL of the Zora adults were alive at the time of the calamity with Link, and most of them remember him. There's also the side quest of helping a Hylian and Zora fall in love, and while the Hylian is physically an adult and the Zora a child, the Hylian remarks "she's a lot older than me".
Honestly, I love this theory so much! It explains so much, and the evidence in favour of the old man being the original Link seems to pretty much outweigh any evidence to the contrary, in my humble opinion! And yes, Link the Hero of Legend is the most badass and accomplished Link of any in the series! :)
11:00 The fact that Vatti is trapped in the 4 sword during the events of oot and the rest of the downfall timeline (during Ganondorf's rule) kinda proves that there can be multiple reincarnations at the same time (as Vaati and Ganondorf are both reincarnations of Demise).
GRAAAAAMPS!!!! I knew it! I knew it deep down in my soul! I knew it, but never questioned it! Thank you so much for this video, I never looked up any theories, but this backs up my suspicions! I can rest easy tonight, I’ll tell ya that 😉😝😁☺️
inb4 BotW Link is older 😎
Also sorry about the mic, I broke my pop filter lmao
My chemical romance link?
@@anevilrotisserie9136 breath of the wild link is the oldest link
Zeltik what is inb4 i cant identify
this version of link to the past has the botw logo because it is the almost identical events happening in another timeline.
Zeltik totally agree! Link to the Past Link will forever be best Link. Great theory and I think you are spot on.
Old man link watching new link destroy his pots and just accepting it as karma
Hahahahahahhahahahaha
The best comment here.
Poor him
He actually put those pots in his house and resisted the urge to destroy them himself just so that he could meet the next hero
honestly it would be kind of funny to be an elderly link that finds a young boy coincidentally called link and you train him, traveling together up until he vanishes and you feel obligated to pull your gear together again and get back to your old days just to save the young boy you adopted like a son. on the journey you uncover that he is to become the new hero and feel more the need to save him.
Link: GET OFF MY LAWN! I know what you're doing there, I did that 30 or so years ago, leave my grass alone!
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Underrated comment😂
Also Link: STOP BREAKING MY POTS! I know what you're looking for, I did that when I was young, leave my pottery alone!
@@lumikera Link Again: STOP SLASHING AT MY CUCCOOS! I know exactly what you're doing! I did that when I was young! Leave my Cuccoos alone!
more like don't attack the cuccos! you're gonna regret it!
A wise man one said. “Be wary of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.”
Who said that? I'd genuinely like to know.
@@gtapanda1296 Oh, ok thanks. Never heard of that, lol.
@@cifge_404 I think the Spartans originally said that.
this is good. i have to remember this.
Hahaha ... This whole life ... Be wary of old people... They know things..
You damm kids get off my property
Pulls out master sword
More so
"You damn kids keep breaking my pots!"
Then pulls out the master sword
@@amberthepuppeteer he’d join in if he really was Link
@@HuntressHashi no if he was really link he wouldn't talk and just go "hya
hyaaaaaaaa
hya
hyaaaaaaaa"
@@alakazamlover4908 he did the new link had a translater.
@@dennisjohnson1809 oooo
that makes sense
Wait....
He's not celebrating because he knows...
He knows the truth...
He knows that Ganon will return....
Just like he did before...
I like to imagine that if the current Link failed, the old man would somehow get to Lorule and defeat Ganon. How? Goddess magic or something.
I prefer the idea that he's not celebrating, hes just standing there. Knowing what happened, knowing his successor won, and he looks on in peace, proud of the new Link
He knows Ganon will always return, but he knows he'll always be defeated.
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okay so finally link is able to speak a full sentence in his old age
Only took him 120 years, no big deal.
Link doesn't speak because he takes burdens among himself & has no word against it.
Fayluna Melody I have seen it on zelda’s diary in botw. What i said in this comment is a joke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We just gonna forget about “Well excuuuuuuse me princess”
When he was too old to go on adventures he decided to study and learn how to speak.
“Most likely around 115.”
That explains why you can beat the man who literally beat the entire Triforce out of Ganon
Dont worry about link waking up from the shrine of resurrection
Old dude will handle it
Imagine fighting him at his peak
@@miguelruiz4613 we would of lost so badly.he would be the only zelda enemy who could rightfully say easy after beating link
@@blacklightvirus6101 Wdym? Are you implying Ganon is more powerful than the Hero of Legend?
@@they_fw_lei no im saying the hero of legend would of beat our ass like it was a normal monday morning
I like to imagine Gramps looking on from the distance during the final battle bow and silver arrows in hand, ready and waiting to jump in if the younger link should fall, only to back away smiling and unnoticed as the young hero prevails, feeling no need to take their moment of triumph and glory from them. He remembers well how his own moment shaped him into the man he is today, how it sparked in him the love for adventure that drove him to travel, see the world, and find people, places, and experiences which still bring a smile to his face as he reminisces all these decades later. Had the hero needed him, he would be there, but he would not steal their glory.
he finally had his own hero 🥲
Now I want a Zelda game that's a Batman Beyond/Mask of Zorro scenario where an Old Link takes on an unchosen young Link as a protégé and trains him to defeat Ganon.
Thats was so gay lol
If the game was ever turned into an animated series, it already has the potential to expand in Gramps and Link's interactions to make it so.@@matthewmuir8884
Old Link: *Gets into pottery "Wow, this stuff takes a long time to make! I can't believe I smashed these things willy nilly back then"
New Link: *Enters house, sword ready in hand.
Old Link: "Oh my god"
Nah just enter the room and leave it and the pots will respawn
Link wants his rupees
Old Link: Oh My Hylia
@@giant9211 I farmed rupees in OOT from that room in Castle Town. Lol
OH NOOOOOOOOOO
"Too old to adventure" *is the strongest enemy in the game*
yeah ok
well much like the hero of time was too young for his quest at first
OK boomer
@@Darenz-cg9zg Him being alive but not sent out also could mean he is backup for the other. If the new hero fell, he'd probably go out to reprise his role. Lorule looks a lot like the dark world, so he'd probably be able to adjust faster than the new one. Sorta like a contingency plan, something the goddesses would definitely want after the hero of time fell.
@@Darenz-cg9zg A GAME THEORY!
to be fair, at an old age he might not be able to keep it up for long. he might be good for this fight at the end but the entire journey?
Old Man Link: “HYAAAAAA- AUGH! My achin’ back!”
Literally heard that in the voice of twilight princess link
Qtea831 Same, and I read the HYAAAAA part in Melee Fox’s voice
Youn man "AAAAAARGH THIS GRAMPS IS ACTUALLY KILLING ME ??!"
@@stevesmeaton3948 mhm it was funny to other people
I heard ww link by the HYAAAAAA
I’m just imaging an old man going to calamity ganon and just hitting him with a cane trying to save his old woman.
And Ganon is old too so its like that fight from Disney's "Up", while Zelda takes a nap
How do you think zelda fights him alone for 100 years?
That seen in up where mr. fredrickson and charles are fighting but its with old link and old ganondorf
Old link speedrun
I like where this comment section went but I was really waiting for someone to say Link would just flick Ganon and he would just explode
Just imagine.
Ganon: breaks free.
Gramps: "Ughh... I'm getting too old for this shit..."
Ganon goes on a rampage
Old Man Link: shows up
Ganon: (Remembers this old man and how he knocked the triforce out of him) *Chuckles* "I'm in danger."
I could genuinely see a Batman Beyond/Mask of Zorro scenario where the chosen hero recognizes that they're too old, so they train an unchosen protégé to defeat Ganon.
@@matthewmuir8884 Or maybe something like StarWars: A New Hope, where old man link accepts death at Darth Ganon's hands, so the Triforce of Courage can pass on to the new kid with a familiar sword he just met in a cantina on the edge of the Gerudo Desert two hours ago.
@@BlackEpyon Maybe, but I think that would be better as something saved for the end of the story (kind of like the original Zorro's death at the end of The Mask of Zorro) and the new Link spending most of the game being infused with some of the Triforce of Courage's power by Old Link in a similar way that Ganondorf infused Zant with some of the Triforce of Power's power.
Another thing that would be cool would be if Old Link essentially acts as the adventuring-companion in the game; communicating to Link through a magic device like Tetra and the King sometimes do in Wind Waker. Imagine New Link using that item to ask for hints, and Old Link thinking to himself, "I hope it never took me this long to figure out a puzzle when I was your age."
One more small thing that could be interesting would be if the new Link has more personal conflict with Ganon's main minion (like Wind Waker Link vs the Helmaroc King because of the Helmaroc King abducting Link's sister), so Old Link initially keeps Ganon occupied while new Link fights said minion, and then new Link fights Ganon immediately afterward.
@@bag-manbaron2547 Ganon: yeah naw we both too old for this, I’m retiring
Dude is bald from wearing a hat for years.
To the dude who brought up Ashe Ketchum, and to all who think bringing up another hat wearing protagonist is a good idea... Stop coattailling my jokes.
Not how that works lol
Effing duh.
He was always bald under the hat
Catarino Trevino III r/whoosh
@@Zerixzero proved wrong in botw
I played through the game 6 times and had no clue you could fight the old man.
I love this channel.
I remember a link between worlds looking a lot better than it did in this video but that’s probably just my brain admiring past technology
you werent worthy of fighting him lol
Having a 120 old link passing on his knowledge to a young hero makes a lot of sense thanks again for sharing
If each generation got hitched at 16 hed be 96
One finger handstands?? Boi that’s Master Roshi
Master roshi wouldn't do that type of training he'd be looking at magazines
No its not
Because gramps isnt wearing a turtle shell and he isnt a perv
@@PK-Radio roshi learned to control his perversion and roshi doesn't always wear a turtle shell.
@@NobaraGamezzz wow you know your stuff
Also Genkai's training from Yu Yu Hakusho
It would be kinda badass if this was the same Link. Like, he's so powerful, he literally refuses to die for another Link to inherit his soul...
Local elderly war hero literally too angry to die.
whats more badass is the hero of the wind FORCING the goddesses to chose him
@@evdoge820 both are badass.one refused the rule of a the goddess to be reincarnated in another link so he gets his skills,and the other force's the gods to make him a hero.both pretty damm hardcore
Yesss, I love that about WW Link. He proved himself worthy through sheer bravery and determination, even though it wasn’t his destiny from birth. He’s the only Link who truly chose his own destiny.
@@malakkennedy6949 hes the doom guy
I literally never knew you could fight this guy.
Thats why he's a secret boss.
It's a secret to everyone
Then go on and try it out!
I never got far enough in the sidequest
Do you even know what literally means?
This makes me hope we get a Zelda game where Link is old.
Well, BOTW Link is like 118 years old.
@@biggusoofus9837
Yeah but that was hardly a Zelda game. More like a boring mainstream RPG with Zelda characters sprinkled in.
If we do, I think it would be cool if it were a sequel to Windwaker lol
..."A Link to The Future" 🤘🤓
@@kevinbouley nigga are you dumb
After seeing the evidence and knowing the fact multiple Zeldas with the power have been alive at the same time. I'm thoroughly convinced the Gramps is the Hero of Legend.
Not that I doubt you, but what Zeldas have been together?
@@00220022inferno The main two are the links from A Link Between Worlds and the Hero of Legend. But Princess Zelda from between A Link to the Past and the Original Legend of Zelda was put into a magical sleep. This surviving through the entire Legend of Zelda, and Zelda 2 until the very end when she was awoken. That is two right there off the top of my head. More will require research to check my facts.
@YGuy1 right! Plus I feel like Zelda and Link are more titles/names given to the Goddess and Hero. Not like an actual name but a classification. Which could explain why we normally have the option to name Link ourselves.
Josh Adkins That incorrect. Sleeping zelda is not from any other zelda game. She from the later part of the downfall timeline in which a angry wizard cast a sleeping spell on her cause she would not tell him or her brother about the missing triforce. Sleeping zelda is the only zelda to have a older brother, no other zelda from any of the games has no brother. People need to get their facts straight before giving out the wrong info to people on the net.
YGuy1 I agree but does that mean Zelda from TP for example has children with someone else besides Link?
I've always wanted an old, experienced Link. But, Japan. It's hard to escape their love of androgynous man boys.
I want a direct sequel to Twilight Princess with the same hero - Hero of Light. I think he would be the best candidate for a grizzled old realistic "Logan" type of hero.
It would be pretty cool to battle it out with a seasoned link you could make the game harder because of his time as the hero too
Stop enjoying yourself in your free time and get back to reuploading your time travel video to stick it to Toei, already. How dare you not constantly entertain us?
I don’t mind Japan’s androgynous man boys ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I have always wanted a Dark Souls style Zelda game about the Hero's Shade with horribly dark and depressing themes, with Hero of Time Link as a badass grey haired, wise old man, traveling through the ages and failing, with themes of lonlieness and utter hopelessness
Link:Don’t make me come over there Ganon! I’ve got the mas- the maste- **snores**
Neighbor: hi yes the crazy old guy next door is still talking about a master sword and some Ganon guy
Master snore.
@@Attaxalotl omg 😂
WAHHAWHO
its on! Its on like- **snores**
I really like the idea of this theory, especially since another smaller headcanon I also like (but is also sad) is that every Link is doomed to die young. Seeing the hero of legend might've lived on to old age makes me happy :)
'Doomed to die young'
I have a personal quote- "You're not old until you give up youth." I think that applies here too. :)
late but hero of time link canonically lives until hes old enough to have children at the least, as the hero of twilight link is a direct descendent of his.
@@eddyangstman yeah, not too young, just in general. For time Link specifically I see him dying in his 20s, which is still pretty young, but old enough that he could have had a wife.
@@nottrustworthy6361 the theory that Time Link is seen wearing plate armor because he had to fight in a war when he was old and therefore wasn't as agile as before just makes sense to me. I'd say he died in his 50s. This would be enough time to establish a tradition of training swordsmen at Ordon village which serve Hyrule royalty.
Your headcanon is facts, its just that the Hero of Legend is the chuck norris of all the Links
9:08
For you see, Link, you're not dealing with the average Hylian warrior anymore. I am a LEGENDARY Hylian!
You mister deserve more like
Defeating a hearty mushroom skewer, only makes it tastier
Link: NO!! TH- THIS CANT BE!! /*Link tries to demolish old link* / Old Link: YOU FOOL!
@@narcotic9887 Fierce Deity Link: And I am a Legendary Hylian God! Old link: What is a god... TO A NON-BELIEVER!/* Old link tries to demolish Fierce Deity Link*/ Fierce Deity Link:Hyah! Old Link:/*dies*/
@@caballthesayiangodofwar9426 False. The Hero of Legend has the Silver Arrows, capable of even eradicating the possible omnipotent Ganon; Even the powerful Fierce Deity Link can be damaged...
Link: "It's dangerous to go alone, take this"
Rhoam: "Wait, what"
lol
That would be quite the plot twist lmao
Yes
XD
"An exceptionally-powerful left-handed man"
Finally, the recognition I deserve.
Wait, Link is a Lefty? Me too!
@@kirara2516 except in skyward sword and twilight princess on wii iirc
@@JamesSmith-dn8lb And Breath of the Wild.
@@isaknascimentoferreira Of course the cutest of all Link's isn't a leftie...
@@kirara2516 is that sarcasm? Because has been left handed since the very first game....
Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary
The megamind reference though
@@SilvaShadow1990 uhhh did you mean kungfu panda
@@nemuii885 i knew that. could have sworn it was also in megamind lol
@@SilvaShadow1990 I rewatched it recently and no, that line isn't said in Megamind.
@SilvaShadow1990 😂 Yeah it was deeeeeffinatly megamind
Wait what!?!?! Secret boss GRAMPS?!?!? Holy crap this game is almost 6 years old, and I just discovered 2 great big new things about it.
Dude its sick you didnt know that, think you can beat the hero himself?
Bones of Light right?????
@@chrisdafa May the triforce be with you young padawan
Same!!! 😩 my problem is that I always stay away from all the streetpass stuff!
Bones of Light me too!!!!!
I have seen this theory many times before now, but you probably presented it the best I've seen here, and clearly laid out all the points very well.
Good job!
I had just got ALBW working with the 3ds emulator and now because of this video I have the urge to play it and also the Links Awakening remake they better get that switch emulator working better as the legend continues and there many reasons to play every Zelda with these games being the reason for emulation for what game worked best on the Super Nintendo A Link to the Past and with the N64 emulation the Ocarina of Time and every then on to every Nintendo emulator there is period.
@Nooby Knight he never specified he was pirating the games.
It is of course possible to emulate games on pc by copying the data from a copy you already own onto your PC.
(although that is a very rare case, but you shouldn't just assume emulation = piracy)
@Nooby Knight You can download them if you own them legally that is how most people get them.
@Nooby Knight You have found the grey area of the law.
@Jeremy Madison Should have had more than one... period.
The possibility of two Links being able to exist at the same time makes me want a SpiderVerse-style story with multiple heroes of legend coming together to face some existential threat
Like a TLOZ version of subspace emissary haha
google "linked universe"
LINKED UNIVERSE LETS FUCKINH GOOOO
Didn’t hyrule warriors kinda do this?
You’ve been told this before but look up “Linked Universe”
Botw theory: link learned not to speak as a part of his hero training, the reason why he is so talkative in botw is because he lost his memory
Talkative?
How is he talkative in botw? Zelda literally says he doesn't talk because he has to bear the weight of his task of defeating calamity Ganon....
@@thatssovenus fair point, counterpoint he does talk to npc's a bunch in the game even holding relatively complex conversations. If you read my comment or payed attention to the game (whichever one caused you to point it out), zelda wrote her dairy before his fall to Gannon, bolstering the theory not hindering it.
@Blank L yes but before he loses his memories he tells zelda why he doesn't talk much. He is shouldering burdens in silence as to keep them to himself and not relinquish them onto others.
Someone didn't read Zelda's diary. He's just quiet when he's under stress.
"Bit by bit, I've gotten Link to open up to me. It turns out he's quite a glutton. He can't resist a delicious meal! When I finally got around to asking why he's so quiet all the time, I could tell it was difficult for him to say. But he did. With so much at stake, and so many eyes upon him, he feels it necessary to stay strong and to silently bear any burden. A feeling I know all too well... For him, it has caused him to stop outwardly expressing his thoughts and feelings."
He had to have had several conversations with Zelda in order to open up to her "bit by bit"
Also, in several of his memories he is seen alone with each of the champions. They all had quite a bit to say to him, unless they all like to monologue for hours on end.
And I doubt waking up to not knowing anything about yourself and being sent on a quest by a fraking ghost is a relaxing time that allows one to loosen up.
*My chemical romance Link*
Best description of twilight princess Link ever.
Haha I was dying when he threw that in there
I hated that band but I love that link. First Zelda game that made me cry at the end
@@morriganrenfield8240 same
That description only makes me love twilight princess even more
@@taffy9 I know right? TP Link is the best Link
Never underestimate an old man in a profession where men die young; Ganondorf better hope he doesn't run into a Link who's old and experienced.
It's possible that when the hero "reincarnates" it's just the hero's spirit housed within the master sword choosing the next hero to share the power with. This would explain having two heroes at one time as well as the hero of legend retaining some of the strength despite not having the original masterword.
So not only would Fi and the power of the goddess be in the mastersword but also the hero himself in some ambiguous form.
Kinda like how All-might could still go swole after giving Deku one for all?
So basically the Master Sword is a Pokéball you can kill monsters and the monster king himself with..
Link when throwing the Master Sword: ,,MASTER SWORD, GOOOO!"
That makes me think, Link kinda reminds me of Finn from adventure time. Finn also has a heroes spirit that reincarnates.
Finn has reincarnated 6 times starting from the blue catalyst comet,
To a butterfly,
To a "thing",
To a girl named Shoko,
To Finn himself,
And to shermy.
The master sword doesn’t give physical strength. Its the abilities it offers if blessed. Otherwise its simply the finest sword in existence.
Except not every hero wields the Master Sword
The Hero of men
Minish Cap
Four Swords
Four Swords Adventures
Spirit Tracks
None of these ever use the Master Sword
"im too old for fight, but im too powerfull for dead"
This should have more likes
Gramps sees all...
He saw you take that cookie
He saw you eat his candy
But
HE WONT LET YOU CUT HIS GRASS
Shopkeeper from links awakening moment
Gramps wont let me ride my fucking bike indoors yet
That’s actually really cool that two heroes can be in the same game
.....Ahhhh, In Twilight Princess, it had the Hero of Time as the Hero's Shade and the Hero of Twilight
in tri-force heroes you see two links as well
@First Name Last Name some will say the one from a link to the past but who knows imgur.com/a/zpjvJCN
Have you played smash?!
@@dereklewis4321 lol
I like this theory. Perhaps he used his illusion magic in the last battle to create a semblance with the strength of his prime. Imagine it, fully grown Link in his prime. A sword that could fell about anything in a single strike.
Oh my goddess this is actually an insanely possible theory and makes a lot of sense considering his boss fight as always your theories are super intresting like the death sword theory
Game * Star 64 Except that there can’t physically be two links. The series has been pretty clear that all the Link’s share the same “unbreakable spirit of the hero.”
@@WideMouth what about twilight princess when that gold wolf is the hero of time
100th like i'm so privliged
@@Tunic_ true and in a way they both share the same goal, the old man is helping to prepare the hero and train him in sword combat just like the hero shade
@@gamestar6479 exactly
The oldest we’ve ever seen Link was 17 years old. That is of course if you discount the BotW Link’s chronological age. Since the Zelda franchise is 33 years old, I think it would be cool and speak to a lot of the older fan base if Nintendo went ahead and gave us Link as an older protagonist. Hell, at this point, a Link in his 40s would be relatable. lol
@@truelionofhylia8152 I thought Link was supposed to be high school age in Skyward Sword.
@@CPT85 He was. Skyward Sword's Link n' Zelda, they'd both be 17 years old. Then the ones in Ocarina of Time in the Hero of Time era (and the kid timeline in the 7 years after Ganondorf's criminal intentions got exposed, which led to the war that destroyed the Hyrule they knew).
He could be 120 years old now. Him AND his Zelda.
@@truelionofhylia8152 So they made him 25 in the Skyward Sword manga? Any idea what’s up with that?
@@CPT85 The info said he was in his 'Adult age". That's the idea.
Old Link: "Get over here, boy!"
Oops wrong game.
that was the first Zelda game I was introduced to, I was 5 years old at the time, glad to see the old man is still kicking it and is as strong as ever. it makes sense that it is him, no one else can wield that sword and shield but link. makes sense why that village is still standing my boy link watches it like a hawk.
I'd kill to see a real old man Link and play as him.
Like a darker gritty story. A link who's probably pretty board, as I imagine hes already done every side quest.. Like a mix between one punch man and Logan. Looking for adventure, and excitement, but is also worn down from his years
@@theelderworm9134 YES PLEASE!
@@theelderworm9134 I had a similar idea but as a side story game.
@@theultimoknight1725 oh, like a DLC about the future? That would probably be the most realistic way to incorporate this type of story into a zelda game
I have always wanted a Dark Souls style Zelda game about the Hero's Shade with horribly dark and depressing themes, with Hero of Time Link as a badass grey haired, wise old man, traveling through the ages and failing, with themes of lonlieness and utter hopelessness
What if the imp's curse to halve Link's magic in Link to the Past, not only accidentally doubled his magic, but also doubled his lifespan?
I would love, LOVE to play as old man Link! A battle-worn, weary old Link that's already bested Gannon at least once and is ready to settle down and retire, then BAM! Gannon comes back and now you have to play as old man Link while training up your successor, God of War style.
Uncle Iroh Link.
(...but I still want a Triforce Teamup. Even if it only exists in my fanfiction. Link actually having his triforce doin’ stuff beside “yer a Hero, Linkie!”, Zelda allowed to fully unleash her powers and pursue her interests in science and anthropology vs being damselled, a Ganondorf who isn’t the same one as the guy Twinrova keeps “resurtecting”/repeatedly sealed away just saying “yeah, we’re not doing that” to the whole “conquer the world by destroying it utterly” thing)
@@anonymousfellow8879 i had a similar idea, except ganondorf isnt really any different, theres just a new evil so big and so bad that even he is like "well screw this, i'd rather fight with them than let you succeed" similar to that moment in subspace emissary where link wakes ganondorf and rather than fight him simply points at the greater enemy above
trekman1701
Yeah. I just reeeeeaaaaaalllllyyyyy wanna see “Din’s Chosen” not be the designated bad guy/the Three just getting tired of rehashing the same ol’ cycle of their predecessors.
It’s kinda been confirmed that what set Ganondorf on that path was getting fed up with his people dying due to being forced by the Hylians to live out in the desert with the only way to get the basic necessities to live was to take it by force (them being “thieves” implies...well, they can’t produce, and no one will trade with them. Hylians view them as prostituting savages...which as any woman can tell you, when a man thinks he has a “right” to you, ya tend to go Amazon just to be left alone.) And the Hylians are a pretty racist bunch to other groups, the Gerudo just get the shortest end of the stick (well, except maybe the Sheikah-servant race whose numbers have mysteriously been decimated in most games they appear? Honestly I can hardly blame them splintering into the Yiga or abandoning their skills in BotW)
Instead of a veteraned Link fighting a Ganon(dorf) he defeated once already, I'd like if they brought Aghanim and Vaati into the 3d games. Also the series needs more meaningful NPCs. For hyrule to be a kingdom, it always seems to have a lack of residents aside from 1-2 towns.
"This is the most badass Link in the series". *Fierce Deity Link intensifies.*
Fierce deity link doesnt stand a chance against Gramps
These two links are the strongest so that woulde be an epic fight
THE LINK IN THE LINK’S AWAKENING REMAKE ALSO HAS BEADY EYES, JUST LIKE GRAMPS
I was just about to comment this, great minds think alike!👍
Same 😅
Link's Awakening's Link is the same from Link to the Past right?
lAMZELLO
If you subscribe to the historia, then technically “yes”
If you’re like me and find Word of God stuff like the historia (ie, not actual games, but side content, interviews, etc) sketchy...then depends on your headcanon. Personally I have the most fun and least headache with just treating the games as standalone Legends UNLESS another game directly references an older game in such a way that ties it directly into its plot.
@@coledewey3564 don't you mean great minds think *alink*
This is an AWESOME theory!
Well this is a surprise
@@bin8350 "A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one"
@@lazyliongames5858 ah a fellow prequel memer
I hope that one day an old man Link appears that looks exactly like old Robin Williams
Well considering Robin Williams named his daughter Zelda it should be the king of hyrule that looks like him.
:(
You hurt me in ways not even nearly dieing did.
@@GrimmShadowsII I hope they make a mod for this idea. that would be epic
There's already a man in botw that looks like him along with is daughter.
“It’s dangerous to go alone take this” Punches you
Hah, the *Old Man* is *A Link To The Past* ! Just like a real old person!
.....Thank you. I'll be here all week.
the week is over, you may leave now.
You've been here a month security
It’s been 4 months goodbye
It’s been 6 months, security, I think this guy’s dead on stage
You've been here for several months now, please leave or I'll call the cops.
Old Man Link.
Wow, that sounds actually badass.
Like old man Logan.
If Old man Kratos came to be, Old man Link MUST come to be.
I really like this theory, makes Gramps seem even more like a badass
Worth to note, the Hero of Legend also happens to be one of 3 heroes who time travels... soo maybe he doesn't actually need to be 100-something years old
Temple of Time in Twilight Princess counts too. The treasure chest and how the Dominion Rod rusted are pretty solid evidence
No. The Oracle games doesn't take place between ALttP and LA any longer. That was retconned.
Zachary Erickson maybe he wanted to go forward to find a time he could prepare the next hero so that he wouldn’t be bested like the hero of time....
Zachary Erickson why? It makes more sense. The triforce sends link to holodrum/labrynna then link sails back to hyrule and that’s when he gets shipwrecked
@@crumman4299 Now that's a great baseline for a strong story.
Holy shit. I never even knew that you could fight the old man! Great theory btw.
If Kojima can do an old snake, we should have an old link.
Uhh... I don't know, I think I'm perfectly content with a young Link--the idea of an old Link is just too weird, lol.
Give Link a bandana and eyepatch...
Give us two links, an old one that is just past his prime, and a young one that isn't ready yet.
You play both, first the old one, trying to defeat Ganon, but he can't. So he is defeated. Then, the young Link shows up and the old one trains him. Together they go out and defeat Ganon, complementing each others shortcomings.
Heroic Sacrifice by the old one in the end is optional.
Kojima would absolutely make Zelda do a weird suggestive scene
Clarice Henderson smokes a pipe too.
I'd love an old man link game. We've had child, teen and adult so this seems interesting to explore.
But Gramps' beard isn't pink.
Edit: yes this was a joke you guys omg. x'D
His canon hair was orange
Lmaooo
Hylians above 80 have white hair kinda like humans I think
Thierry LMAO
Everyone hair turns white when they get old
Gramps was looking for a powerful adversary so he specifically made shadow LINKS that seems like solid evidence to me
I mean to be fair, shadow link was powerful, but never a match for real Link. I'm pretty sure most of the Shadow Links were the dark forms or negative emotions that Link possessed, of which he always beat.. So... Shadow Link would never be a match for the Hero of Legend
Don't have an old Link huh?
BOTW Link is 100 f*cking years old XD !
thats what i said lol
He doesn't age
Lord Luxray not really he stopped ageinng in the shrine of reseeuction
@@Gwendalen27 not physically but 100 years have passed
Technically, yes he is, but in outward appearance, knowledge and other things that come with time, he is still the same age he was before he was laid to heal
There’s a reason this old man link is so badass. The downfall timeline simply needed to compensate for OOT Link’s failure
Honestly, I'd like to see an Old Man Link. It'd be so cool to see him gruffer and battle-hardened rather than just another rookie.
I have never heard this theory and I didn't know I would want it!
Like seriously I could write an entire fanfiction series with how much headcanon I have for Gramps just watching this:
Link becoming so powerful and proud he challenges the gods and usurps one, but it's this long-drawn out diety conspiracy that humbles him. He sets out on one last quest to cure his immortality. The Triforce does not grant his wish, so to gain an even greater power, he learns that he must release enough energy for the wish he needs. He strikes it with a magical hammer with his Godly Strength, so hard it shakes the Dark World and creates an imperfect copy, of it and the Triforce, creating Lorule. This returns the mantle to the God of Valor, sufficiently weakening him enough for the spirit of the hero to become reincarnated once again.
hmm ok the drugs are wearing off
rayjinflo nice
This is probably one of my favorite Zelda theories now
I salute you old man, you're a veteran at any age, you'll always be remembered, you're the strongest guy in Hyrule, I cannot believe you're in four games, you are unstoppable!!!, And when you finally go, may your soul rest in peace, in the great sky or in the sacred realm with the three goddesses, LINK, MASTER OF HYRULE!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The credits are full of major characters" ah yes the cuco minigame is definitely major characters.
I mean fair point, but Also, what's a game without deadly chicken swarms as an only unkillable threat? How elce can we WARN the next generation not to hit chickens with swords?
I want a Logan esc Zelda game where Link failed to save Zelda and is now a drunk old man. That could be a good start for a new adventure.
Brilliant
EpicLS not happening, they will never go that route
EpicLS A little too dark for a game my fellow zelda player
I was thinking the same thing a Zelda version of Old man Logan!👍🏽✊🏽😀
Rogan Majoras mask is literally about an entire world that gets destroyed over and over again with the inhabitants slowly realizing their fates as the days go on. That pretty dark in my opinion.
At first I thought that this would be a shitty theory about how the old man in the first game is the Hero but instead I got this very believable and coherente theory that I think is true. And for the fact that there can't be two hero at the same time, I don't think that Gramps is a hero anymore, he's fullfilled his role and I think that now he's just a buff old guy benefitting from all the training he had as a hero.
From the training he would be strong yes however, he wouldn't have the heroes cutting edge and clearly he is over powered, perhaps even stronger than the hero
A link to the past was the first video game I ever played and beat when I was a kid, and probably started my love of Zelda and video games. Hearing ya talk about my boy like a legend made me feel really nostalgic so thank you, now I'm off to be the hero once again.
I never had enough streetpass encounters to fight him...
The overworld theme music tribute to Gramps is undeniable. That’s the devs saying “Yes, this is Link.”
Or it's the default music since he doesn't have a theme? I'm on board with this, but shouldn't we be sure of something before we make it a point of evidence. But maybe you know something I don't. Not a criticism, just curious.
This is one of those theories where it might as well be true because it's cool and doesn't really mess with any lore. It'd be cool if they confirm it in a future Zelda art book
I agree this theory could be true. I'd like confirmation from Nintendo but I really like this theory. Splitting the soul of the hero into 2 pieces is perfectly plausible if one hasn't died yet of old age or battle at that point
Seals the deal: Hero of Legend is the strongest Link.
I’d say he’s on par with the fully powered up Hero of Time.
But did you see Zeltiks video where he found out that the Hero of the Wild has more power in his left arm than a rocket engine? ;D
Don't forget all the masks Time has! But yeah, Hero of Legend by a mile.
To be fair botw link has super strength, ultra instinct, and the ability to manipulate time
@@PK-Radio im..... Kinda sure if botw link could manipulatr time, he would have use it to go back in time to kill calamity before he kikls everything he loves....
I think the reincarnation problem comes from the Buddhist idea of reincarnation. In that type of reincarnation, Link would have to die, because it’s a single spirit (atman) transferring to a new body after death. However there’s nothing to say for sure that it works this way in Zelda.
Also, the hero of legend and the man’s player name is Legendary? Icing on the cake. I totally buy this theory.
Yeah, that's what's getting me side with this theory despite that counter arguement. If the hero shade, even as an astral projection, can teach TP Link his techniques, doesn't that mean the Hero can't be a soul for soul reincarnation? The hero's shade would just literally be the soul of TP Link at that point.
I don't think any of the Links are reincarnations (I used to). I think it was said that they're all different Links except where it is stated that a certain Link is the same as a previous Link. If they were all reincarnated, then Link wouldn't have to find the Triforce of Courage and would always just naturally possess it like Ganon\dorf since he actually reincarnates.
XonyMudd well it’s stated in Hyrule Historia that every Link is a reincarnation of the original Link (the one in Skyward Sword) so it’s officially canon. Every Link is basically the same Link, just without the memories of his previous life.
@@Lillyz1112 The problem here is the logic contradicts itself then. If Link is a fully reincarnated soul every time, then hero shade shouldn't exist, because he would essentially be TP Link's spirit. To me, there's 3 options. There's a courageous essense that each Link is born with. Basically, it's more of an inherited attribute that is constantly being manifested in the heros that comes when there is need. The 2nd being that TP Link was somehow inwardly communing with his own reincarnated soul when he recieved lessons from the shade. Or 3rd, we just say they mixed it up, and it just doesn't mesh. I like trying to make sense of it, instead of just backing out by saying they got it wrong. That said, option 1 makes the most sense to me.
Joshua Coulter I think it does work with the hero‘s Shade cause he’s dead, the way I see it is that he’s just some lingering ghost-thingy that stays around after fulfilling his purpose. It isn’t stated that the Hero‘s Shade still has his soul, it might just be a bunch of negative energy that stayed around cause of regrets etc (cause it’s stated that OoT Link had quite a load of regrets and such).
You first point is pretty much debunked because it’s specifically stated in the book that the soul of SS Link gets reborn. The 2nd could work as well cause it’s all playing inside his head basically, it seems that Link is always knocked out during their meetings, Midna never questions it either.
I don't know why but these things always make me emotional. Very powerful stuff
The music for Gramps in the End Credits put the nail in the wood, and being called "Legendary" hit it right on the head!
I am convinced he is an older Link.
I got chills watching this, expeically when you revealed Link's theme at the end for Gramps. Great video!
A Link Between Worlds is such a great game! Thanks for bringing more attention to it!
Zeltik:we never seen as a old man
Warioware Master sword Minigame Old link:Am a joke to you?
Is not count
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I think it’s cool how even with how powerful the link to a past link is, link between worlds link is still able to beat him. Like the links are getting stronger and stronger with each reincarnation.
Hero of legend in his prime absolutely decimates LBW link
Wow, I didn't even know this character existed in the game as a secret boss fight. When you connected the dots with the evidence I got chills, I think this theory is awesome.
Another hint that he's a Link is where he looks to be standing in the village with those 7 stones on the ground. Him in the middle with 6 all around him just like Link and the 6 sages in the sacred realm.
Zeltik Theory is better than Game Theory!
I disagree, but whatever.
There's too little FNAF in this theory here for my taste!
Zeltik Theory: maths and lore without the sexism of GT!
@@anonymousfellow8879 How is Game Theory sexist?
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Every. Single. One of MatPat’s videos makes a sex joke, at the expense of women. His “joke” about Child Zelda was particularly bad, and when I finally had enough. Really the only videos on that channel I enjoy anymore are when Austin’s doing them, because it’s simply geeking out over all the insane, world-eating numbers videogame logic would actually do if IRL
It would be really nice if gramps would mention Koholint Island or at least it's inhabitants. He promised to always remember them or at least to remember Marin. It would be a great callback to Links awakening
HE COULD BE! Here's why!
People might say the soul or spirit of the hero cannot inhabit two people at once but there is clear evidence that is NOT TRUE,
That Evidence? ZELDA HERSELF! Zelda in LoZ is the NEICE of Zelda from LoZII and the Link on those adventures, is the same Link. If The Goddess can occupy two Zeldas at once, why not her chosen hero?
Zelda doesn't get reincarnated. Every female descendant in the royal family is named Zelda.
@@audrothewise340 They are all incarnations of the Goddess Hylia and have her powers inherited.
@@millgiass at this point idk
Also shown in BotW: Every princess of Hyrule has the soul of the godess (and in this case, the triforce) as Zelda states in her diary. Her mother and grandmother had the same powers as her.
Zelda is different. Also, neice or not, is the original zelda alive?
Oh my god. I always knew something was strange about him when I saw his representation in the credits... and I never knew you could fight him. Wow, this hit me hard.
Man, you have an incredible way of telling stories. That's so appreciated.
this seems like a total possibility being as it is and his line saying hes glad hero's like "link" are still in this world keep up the good content, as long as they are possible i wont sleep
Great theory and I never played that one before BUT I'm sure that he's legendary Link from a link to the past. It all adds up. Man they make these Zelda games something to really think about.
This is so good. Amazing theory that fits perfectly the most badass and legendary Links of all. However, I'm also thorned about two Links at the same time. The soul of the champion of the goddess reincarnates every time the world is in great peril. So maybe it's not reincarnation process, but something like "being blessed or bestowed with the essence of the champion" and this blessing can apparently be shared. Now, Gramps being stronger than the two main bosses of the game makes me think that he still has the blessing or the soul of the champion within... he could have saved the world again by himself. It's a very complex character haha.
Omg...wait I JUST REALIZED THAT...okay just read this:
If you speak to the male front guard in Zora’s domain, he’ll say to Link that the two used to play together as a child. He then says that he’s 130 years old. Okay, so I’m guessing everyone assumed that Link was about 118 but he must be older than that. When the guard was a child, Link wouldn’t have been born...unless he was older than that. Also, Mipha mentions in the “Mipha’s Touch” memory cutscene that, and I quote, “I thought it was odd that you looked older much sooner than I did.” What if he looked that way because he WAS older. So, had Link lied about his age? Regardless, he forgot about it from amnesia so it doesn’t really matter now, but still...
Or Zoras are children for longer.
In which game is this?
Zora age much slower than Hylians do. Although it is still possible that Link lied about his age at some point. It's never really made clear.
It was explicitly part of BotW that Zora have FAR longer lifespans. ALL of the Zora adults were alive at the time of the calamity with Link, and most of them remember him. There's also the side quest of helping a Hylian and Zora fall in love, and while the Hylian is physically an adult and the Zora a child, the Hylian remarks "she's a lot older than me".
Honestly, I love this theory so much! It explains so much, and the evidence in favour of the old man being the original Link seems to pretty much outweigh any evidence to the contrary, in my humble opinion! And yes, Link the Hero of Legend is the most badass and accomplished Link of any in the series! :)
Breath of the wild link is actually old because he was trapped in time for 100 years.
Love the theory
11:00 The fact that Vatti is trapped in the 4 sword during the events of oot and the rest of the downfall timeline (during Ganondorf's rule) kinda proves that there can be multiple reincarnations at the same time (as Vaati and Ganondorf are both reincarnations of Demise).
No, only Ganon is an incarnation of Demise. Vaati is just a Minish that became a powerful and evil wind mage.
11:15 if the gods of Hyrule can enable a 7 year old to turn an ancient pig demon/god thing into ham, I doubt he'd ever be "too old to adventure"
You know its kinda fitting that the hero of legend has a ton of feats. Its kinda like getting back for the hero of time dying in that timelime.
GRAAAAAMPS!!!! I knew it! I knew it deep down in my soul! I knew it, but never questioned it! Thank you so much for this video, I never looked up any theories, but this backs up my suspicions! I can rest easy tonight, I’ll tell ya that 😉😝😁☺️