Future Generations Need to Know Our Nuclear Waste Is Deadly. How Can We Tell Them?
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- Опубліковано 15 січ 2017
- Nuclear waste can be harmful for tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of years. How can people today even imagine what society will be like over those types of time periods? And more importantly, how can we make sure that future generations don’t forget nuclear waste’s dangers, and start digging around in the waste sites we are setting aside today?
In “Containment,” a film that airs today on PBS’s Independent Lens, scientists and thinkers show just how hard it is to plan for an unknown future. In this clip, get a look inside the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant outside Carlsbad, New Mexico, a site that just began accepting nuclear waste this month for the first time in three years.
The harder the dungeon, the better the loot.
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@@carodame9419 GET BACK REDDIT! HYAH! HYAH! BACK *I SAY!*
Yeah, like "don't go in there"...
obviously you never played Skyrim
Imagine finding a triangle shaped ancient monument, closed from every side, on the inside there are multiple layers of closed stone doors and drawings and writings all over the walls about curses and danger, i am sure people wouldnt go in.
Thats kind of the issue we cant not put something there cause someone might put something (city, mine, etc) on top but any soulution for that warning is impractical at best.
@@redwolfe3343 Why would they mine where there's nothing of value? Neither people in the past nor today just mine randomly. They survey and examine the place first. Unless the valuable mineral was easily mined with simple tools pre-industrial civilizations didn't bother to waste time, money and effort on nothing. Modern day geologists also know where mineral deposits might be found and thus are hired to survey and do test drills.
Why put a city long away from a coast, a lake or a river? A primitive civilization would never do such a thing, an advanced civilization meanwhile has the knowledge about radiation (was measured in the 1880's already and known to exist even before that).
Too many people wrongly assume people were idiots in the past and may be complete idiots in the future.
😂 Sounds kinda familiar.
Worked perfectly for the Egyptians!!
@@McLarenMercedes 2:19 In the future, salt is power
Lets make the coolest looking shit ever , that will stop kids from going there
Imagine what would happen, if we found an ancient sight like this lol
It is true that morbid curiosity makes us admire things that are supposed to be dangerous, even if we fully know the risks. But Imagine humans 10000 years from now stumbling into that place. Hundreds of stone spikes rising from the desert ground, a cave sealed by many heavy metal doors, hundreds of feet below the ground, strange writing that is purposefully designed to convey that only death is to be found. Yes, there would be those curious enough, but the message would be as clear as it gets.
Here, pain and suffering lies. The sins of a powerful civilization are locked away beneath this rock and salt to keep you from disturbing them. For if you do, they become your sins in turn, and inviting them unto you will be your undoing. Only death leaves this place.
shit idgaf even if I knew Nuclear Waste is in there Id to there just to take pictures because its so badass. Would I die of radiation? Likely. Would I look badass before I die? Hell ya.
They're probably gonna think it's a religious site
Ikr and then they dig it up and shit
ATOMIC POPE!
@@JollibeenosHasYourCoordinates This was actually a proposed solution to this problem. Starting a church akin to the Catholic church, one that would preserve the massage of "don't dig here" through religion rather than science. So long as this church existed in some form in 10,000 years, we should be safe.
@@davidbray5982 Look at Jerusalem, do you think the Catholic Church is a good example of preservation?
@@edgaraldana3205 I'm sorry Mr Castro, I'm a nerd for nuclear history, I don't know much about religion. As I understand it, Catholicism is a very old religion who's message had changed very little, even if their support base has moved about.
"Here lies our sins, do not disturb it for we may be reborn in the consuming fire for we are man and if it is awaken we pass our sins onto you"
where is this quote from?
well said and or quoted.
This feels like when Oppenheimer said, “We are become death, destroyer of worlds.”
"OH boy, I bet there's some high level loot in here!
@@EmonWBKstudios "Wow! This place looks super honourable!"
Ah. 1000 years in the future, some archaeologist is gonna come searching for artifacts, come across a nuclear waste barrel in a place that screams "danger" and say it's some amazing scientific discovery and then start projectile vomiting on the floor due to radiation poisoning.
Then some might theorise that there is a curse upon those who violated the said ancient monument.
@@joseislanio8910if it stops then from going in, all the better.
I agree with Spencer here. Rather than the statistic of millions of deaths, a tragedy of 1 or 2 would drive the point across.
Except that in 1,000 years the "waste" will be in caskets of reinforced concrete about 12 foot tall and 10 feet in diameter, welded over by steel, and needing heavy equipment to get to the rods inside. Those rods will be safe enough to hold in your hands without any special shielding. You see, everything dangerous in radiation goes away quickly. In hours and days. The medium stuff goes away in about 30 to 60 years. In 1000 years, not much left.
the worst part isn't side effects of th radiation exposure.
But they soon enouph may find this thing is producing heat.
Then sonner than later they will do all research and produce nuclear weapons again...
Jokes aside this video itself is terrifying. The way there is no music, the way the people deliver their lines, talking about potential death and destruction. all very eerie to me
We dump heavy metals into rivers and land fills that last until the end of time, they do not decay. Ever. Before the EPA enforced "dilution is the solution" people were already dying from cancers and other illnesses from it. Nuclear power and waste is the cleanest industry these old industrial towns have ever known. No one has died from it or will ever die from it.
The thing people fear about nuclear waste is actually the thing that makes it disappear. The more radioactive it is, the faster it decays.
@infini_Ryu and the amount of nuclear waste are embarrassing compared to other kind of sources of energy
@@lucacarbonaro2911 how so? Because out of every nuclear plant or program in existence if we needed a place to bury all of the high-level waste then we it could easily fit within the size of a US football field.
@@totallyawesomemusic3841 the fact is that we know how to store this waste, no radiation comes out from a nuclear cask for high medium and low level waste, and they do this in Finland, sweeden and france in construction, they can do this non because they have this magical sites but because they now that it is safe and it's more easy if you think that the ratio between energy produced and waste for nuclear energy is 1/300 the ratio of solar
@@totallyawesomemusic3841 the amount of waste just make things easier
They should build them anyway as an art project. They look insane
Looks good lol
Like a world wonder.
@@britasha1194 How ironic would it be if all that is left to wonder at in 10000 years is our deepest regrets.
@@harrygenderson6847 Yes twitter being the only thing left would be a disaster for all mankind indeed. LOL
Would be funny if future generations would stay away from them thinking they were dangerous
that's like asking a modern human to identify the ancient Egyptian Heiroglyphs for death or poison...
thats exactly what the problem is. It's why skull symbols aren't used: in the past, the skull symbol represented death, plague, pirates, but nowadays maybe it represents lost treasure. They had several symbols designed and the current bio hazard one was identified as the most memorable, and sinister-looking while also being abstract to avoid potential cultural interpretation
@@boltstrikes429 Originally the skull symbol actually symbolized rebirth. When sailors were buried at sea in the past there was a fear their souls wouldn't go to heaven since they weren't buried in six feet underground in a holy place (like a cemetery). In order to guarantee that the dead sailors went to heaven their names had a skull with crossed bones (representing the cross of Christ) next to them in the ship's log. People in the past were very superstitious and feared having their souls wandering aimlessly. Old depictions of Jesus nailed to the cross has a skull with crossed bones next to it symbolizing his rebirth. This btw nothing uncommon elsewhere in the world where skulls symbolize the immortal souls of the ancestors of tribal people and are sometimes kept in a shrine meant to respect the "dead" (with them in spirit).
In due time however the skull and crossed bones symbol came to represent death alone as it became increasingly common and its original meaning was forgotten. It's also a Hollywood myth that pirates always had skulls in their flags. Different pirates used different flags. Some used a time glass to scare their enemies since this time glass represented the short time their victims had left to live... Others used depictions of the devil holding a pitchfork, hooked sabres, the ship's captain holding a chalice together with a skeleton or even standing on two skulls.
"but nowadays maybe it represents lost treasure" Nope. For modern day people skulls either represent pirated media, pirate radio or pirate products. As such they have become a symbol of rebels who "stand against big corporations and the establishment". Before streaming music the issue of "pirated music" was a issue for two decades if not more. Pirate stations and broadcasts were well-liked by people who wanted to hear "forbidden music" in many countries. Also the skulls are so common among many metal bands and such they have become a symbol of heavy metal. They most definitely don't represent some "lost treasure". There's a pervasive myth pirates made treasure maps and marked them with an x. In reality most of them never buried their loot for very long and often retrieved them from places which were easy to get to (they were pragmatic after all).
Anyways, the issue of what kind of warning symbols to leave is rather simple. One can make simple strips of a healthy man opening up a container with the radioactivity symbol and then falling down ill and dying in the final part. A six year old child would understand it. It's also pretty easy to make sure they read it from the right direction by depicting the passage of time behind the figures with a bird flying past, a small tree growing into a larger one etc etc.
And numbers can simply be reduced to a line representing 1, two lines representing II, three lines three etc. Two lines is more than one. Ancient people counted using their fingers which is why we have 60 as the basis our time.
Last of all by buring the nuclear really deep that means that any pre-industrial civilization won't be able to dig that deep anyway, certainly not in a place which contains absolutely no mineral valuables and is useless to dig in. An industrial society meanwhile has progressed to such a level they understand science to some degree. Throughout history humans have never attempted any huge endeavor without thinking it through first. Medieval cathedrals required a whole new thinking in masonry. The ancient pyramids required incredible engineers and skilled workers. Lone workers or a few dreamers whose ambitious way outweigh their abilities never managed to uncover anything. Written laws existed in ancient Sumeria but probably existed long before that, we don't know because there's nothing written down which is preserved from that era. But it's clear that tribal people completely isolated from the rest of civilizations also have their laws they can't just break at will.
What I'm trying to say is that some lone human some 20,000 years from now won't just stumble across nuclear waste storage out of the blue. If he or she does it will require a huge effort to examine further. This in turn will attract the law and the rulers of this society. Scholars existed in ancient societies too. If this is seen as a very important find then obviously this will warrant more thorough investigation.
People here making comparison with Egyptian tombs have no clue. Egyptian tombs were lavish and designed to reflect the wealth of the pharaoh. Great works of art and mummified animals and humans were supposed to live alongside the pharaoh in the afterlife. But nuclear waste storage would be so dreary and dull looking they convey something different. It doesn't take a great level of thinking to realize that if something is buried really deep and much effort was taken to keep it hidden and sealed forever then it wasn't meant to be found. Obviously anybody half reasonable (and people have never been stupid on an absurd level) will realize what they found might in fact be very dangerous and even deadly.
When people went to the moon the astronauts were kept quarantined for a few days after returning to Earth. Why? Well, even though we're certain no germs can survive in space why take such a risk in the first place? For all we know the moon might contain some micro spores which activate when a living host approaches it. So they took safety precautions against all imaginable problems. Likewise a technological civilization won't just rush headlong into something they don't understand.
People deriving their assessment of humanity from games and Hollywood "logic" don't understand the fundamentals of human history.
@@McLarenMercedes awesome comment.
That's what the "spikes" (or likely other, more simple to build and more durable, eerie and unsettling architecture designs) are meant to do: Scare-off people that can't read what's written on them.
Also, the final revision of the written message will likely include something along the line of "If this message is worn-down, written in an old and/or rarely-spoken language or is otherwise hard to read, please copy it on the provided blank space in any commonly used language you happen to know".
Well I don't think this is something so easy to one to one with since the internet now exists. With that and now stupid amounts of information flowing seeing something like that they could just take a photo and translate it actively and see what they are. Or go look it up on their device and find results dating back thousands of years and be like. Oh shit.
They should rename the site "Death". And refer it only by this name. If people will call it that - as long as name get kept (even translated) - people will know - it's death.
@1,618 φ They will use a new word for death.
The0Stroy shitty solution. You dont rename areas because the language is different.
Australia is still australia, despite Australia being a latin word, everyone calls it that.
It'd also make translation and communication confusing.
If a place or person has a name, usually everyone regardless of language refers to it by one name (sometimes more depending on other factors, like Germany being called Deutschland by germans) but you cant make a place thats name changes for every single country.
Or you can just have a sign that says dig here if your gay
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 that's just it. Australia wasn't allways named Australia.
It was New Holland before it got changed. And it will change again.
plus, 'death' can mean a lot of things. maybe death is a god, maybe death means a graveyard. these concepts arent guarenteed to survive time
There’s a book that does something like this called “At the Mountains of Madness” where scientists who went there and come back warn others not to go further into Antarctica, where the ruins of ancient aliens lie millions of years ago, for there was a reason they were wiped out in the first place.
From HP lovecraft's collection of short stories, from the 1930's.still in print.
the field of spikes is horrifying
Oh it's you!
@@lukevanordstrand4997 yeah
me
whoever the hell I am
@@germanwarrabbit nah I've just seen you before in a couple of different videos
@@lukevanordstrand4997 oh ok
Believe me when I say this, I've seen some of the other hostile architecture and it's horrific.
the markers will be an invitation, this is in human nature to dig in unusual places !
Oh Irony....
Unfortunately, it is impossible to just hope that people don't go there. You have to place markers. So might as well explain with those markers that going here leads to death.
The spikes are just a meaningless marker, the idea is that future humans will realise that everything that goes near the spikes dies, so they will start to regard it as cursed ground
Send it out to space
It’s basically infinite
@@juanjopava240 But people won't die, the radiation at the surface will be the same as at any other place on earth.
The fact that we need something like this in the first place is terrifying on itself.
Yeah, agreed, it really is ^^'
kind of makes you wonder what's below our feet right now
My thougths too
Jon T Nothing. Otherwise it would have been discovered by now. The ONLY thing people discover today when building at a new spot is sometimes remnants of stone age settlements from the time people lived a nomadic lifestyle and moved around with the animals they hunted. As soon as any archaeological discovery is found the construction immediately stops and the archaeologists do their work first. Building resumes when everything has been cleared. In old cities like Rome, London and Istanbul/Constantinople special care must always be made not to damage historical important traces and remnants.
All this talk about ancient high-advanced civilizations are just pseudo-science and tinfoil hat nonsense. So far we have absolutely zero evidence of anything else but the first human civilizations appearing in Sumeria (present day Iraq) some 6500 years ago. The remnants of this ancient civilization are dug out today in the deserts of Iraq. We have found stone plates with their writings. And later cultures took over from them once they declined and collapsed.
Here's what most idiots don't understand. Civilizations emerge where there is an abundance and surplus of food. Where would this be do you imagine? Oh, where the ground is fertile. And where is ground fertile? In the desert? In the forest? In mountains? No, in river deltas of large rivers. So it's hardly surprising all great civilizations emerged around great rivers. Sumeria, Assyria and Babylonia all emerged in mesopotamia between the Tigirs and Euphrates rivers. The ancient Egyptians around the Nile delta. The ancient Chinese around the Yangtzee river. The Indus river gave birth to ancient India.
But if you need to learn something I'll give you a popular fallacious argument for free. It's a fallacy called "Argument from ignorance" (Argumentum ad ignorantiam). Also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false.
In other words it's the hallmark for all those who like to speculate wildly and those who believe that just because they believe so that's the only "evidence" they'll ever need.
No viable hypothesis? No evidence? Not even a valid position? Then it's *pure speculation* .
Come back here when somebody discovers some "amazing ancient civilization underground bunker".
Probably rock, than magma. A lot of magma
Ground, pipes, radon gas (radioactive gases) more pipes, my home’s foundations and Then you get to the magma.
The floor
And opening up the Kings and Queens tomb in the Pyramids is a great idea.
@Angela Soto
Some of the tombs have literal curses inscribed on them if they are opened, but people still open them
One day they'll open a tomb full of anthrax or even worse an ancient plague
@@imlafonz8047 Aren't those curses just to help the buried in the afterlife though?
As I understand them, those "curses" are just spells meant to be used by the dead in the afterlife, not to curse trespassers
@@ananousous
I’m not sure
@@imlafonz8047 A lot of people are making the connection to ancient egypt, but that's dumb because curses aren't real. The only curse that ever manifested itself was a fungal infection that people got from breathing the ultra stale air in there...
The ancient Egyptians probably never thought that people with smartphones would be taking bodies out of the pyramids. How could we possibly know what will stop people in thousands of years from doing the same with these sites?
more advanced people aren’t the concern, they would likely understand the risks of radiation. I believe the concern is a potentially regressed population that no longer understands what radiation even is.
I've looked at the papers published with the suggestions, and they all invite human curiosity. "forbidding" architecture and warnings don't deter people, they only spur them on to believe the site has something worth protecting, which must mean it's something worth *taking*.
Rather than elaborate structures, the best thing is to make the area as unpromising as possible. Back fill everything with junk concrete, plough salt , and granite and concrete rubble into the soil to make it impossible to farm, and plant it densely with thorny, salt and drought loving vegetation of no value. Demolish and erase all surface level structures but leave the level II message discs scattered in the soil as a warning.
Make them bi-lingual, one language on one side, a second one on the other, out of low value stamped ceramic tile (or tough, non degrading plastic). Something non-cryptic but understandable to a non scientifically knowledgeable culture. One of the languages on each disc should be English or Spanish, as the two most widely spoken languages, with the other being another UN language or Navajo.
"DANGER. POISONED GROUND. SICK. UNHEALTHY. DON'T SETTLE HERE" with the trefoil and biohazard signs, and some clear sign of sickness (not death, which will be seen as a curse, threat or challenge)
Don't tell people not to dig but that will be begging them to do exactly that. Settling/living and warning of *unhealthiness*, malaise, or *sickliness* rather than "energy" or specifying an object of power, conveys a more general fear of malaise and sickness with absolutely no implication of something potentially of value.
On a short timescale it works... make it 24000 years and all those "decent" approaches fail spetacularly.
Ceramic decays, language is lost, landmasses and climates change. It needs a warning. And we dont have a way to convey said warning.
Salt washes away, concrete has a effective life of less than a century without maintenace and crumbles down to dust within a couple of centuries in the ground. Plants and ecology changes, plastic will be biodegradable naturally in less than 100 years.
You see the problem?
...but those plastics may bexome of more value in of themselves after the full exploitation of Earth's oil.
Much like how the collesuem was being torn down to build houses and roads.
"We can't stop there from being a ten thousand years from now" we're working on it. The nuclear warheads that created a lot of that waste almost did.
Actually the un-detonated warheads didn't create any waste because there needs to be a nuclear reaction for waste to be produced and since they were never detonated, there wouldn't have been a reaction therefore no waste. I gained this big brain knowledge by watching Kangaroo Jack for 24 hours straight, and you should do the same.
I find long time nuclear waste warning messages so interesting. I can only image what the world will be like in 10,000 years
Have you ever REALLY looked into how nuclear plants work? And know that our earth is literally a nuclear reactor in its core? Which is the reason why earth isn't like mars. It keeps the earth hot inside and generates a magnetic field to protect us. If there was no nuclear power... we wouldn't even be alive. Also there is nuclear power without little waste. The BN-800 reactor in Russia literally EATS nuclear waste. It's a molten salt fast spectrum nuclear power plant.
@@HermanWillems I'm sorry but it ain't worth the risk. There is no such thing as a nuclear powerplant that works for ever. There is no such thing as as a zero risk or zero emissions nuclear reactor or nuclear energy. The risks are always catastrophic and last for thousands of generations!!! We can only trace back human history to few tousands of years back! We don't know how to dispose of corium nor we know how to dispose of nuclear waste. Get rid of nuclear energy, leave it the labs in universties and that is it!
Isn’t our nuclear waste some of the most secured shit in the planet? Like, it’s literally safer to stand next to a nuclear waste container than it is to take a cross country flight.
For now and even the next few centuries probably, but protective material will likely degrade before radioactive waste does
@@Vapor817 it will be at a safe level of radiation by that time, I reckon
Wow this place looks super honorable
I hope that some cool deeds are esteemed here!
Lots of valued things here!
I did some groundwater monitoring and sampling on a superfund site that did tin smelting during the height of WW2. One of the areas of the site was an in ground “vault” that had over 230k pounds of depleted uranium. The area was chained off, had the signage, and in the center a marble obelisk with what I had mentioned. As for long term remediation plans they had eucalyptus trees planted down gradient from the site to soak everything up and look nice. Thankfully from what I was told I was safe from anything as long as I didn’t drink a gallon of the groundwater, or play in it, but the Gatorade blue water just said there was an issue.
I agree with the don't do anything solution. Bury the entrance with Earth (i'm talking an artificial hillock) and let nature and time cover it and the surrounding area with vegetation, leaving the whole area completely unremarkable. Finding it would require advanced technology, and any future people 's possessing such technology, would also be relevantly intelligent enough to be cautious in the highly unlikely event, (if done properly) it was discovered. Any other solution is just an open invitation to basic human curiosity, and ultimately a waste of time.
So just build a mountain over it
So basically, pretend it doesn't exist?
Makes sense ngl
But if you don't do anything people will still eventually start to build or dig there for other reasons (eg. mine the salt).
@@qdaniele97 Other than future hunter-gatherer's, (which we may regress to in the distant future) anything taking place as you mention are the acts of a more advanced civilisation, and they would posses the intelligence to be cautious if anything was discovered. This is exactly the solution; ua-cam.com/video/uFfhxwN_0fY/v-deo.html
@@Gutterboyofficialor a pyramid... ehe
X marks the treasure ! Arrrrr 🏴☠️
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I cant take this video serious after watching Kyle hill about nuclear waste before watching this guy
Haha same
Yeah
Fun fact. Corium from reactors used is alot more radioactive then the uranium used originally
That always blew my mind. How does something GAIN energy when, by nature, it loaes energy?
They’ll probably see the stone spikes as an artifact and then make it illegal to tamper there.
then a random group of vloggers goes to stream themselfs digging up the site
Id say the best way to keep people away forever is to tell everyone about it all the time, and keep doing that for the next 10,000 years
Who says humanity is still there in 10.000 years lol. We are just a blip in time what you worry about.
What a fascinating problem.
Also, where can I buy these deadly looking spike obelisks? I need a new fence.
I am really hoping someone figures out how to neutralize radioactivity within the next few hundred years. For the sake of those who come after us.
You can’t.
@@justiceofbook people said that you couldnt fly with anything that was heavier than air, and lool what we have now
@@doorstopper674 how will you neutralise radiation? Are you gonna go and tell the atoms to stop letting the protons and neutrons break off?
@@erzhaider i dont know, im not a scientist
@@doorstopper674 -> you can't neutralise radioactivity
im not in school anymore, but i've been researching this topic since it peaked my interest, and i really wanna write a essay/presentation on it. just to share knowledge of this incredibly disturbing yet intriguing topic
Imagine coming in here after 200,000 years and how surreal it would be to be in those tunnels of a long gone civilisation
"oh look at these cool spooky spikes, guys lets explore it!"
Tell them to read history, we fucked up.
The University of Yeet has edumacation on nuclear energy.
What if the pyramids were a warning
I think this too. It would explain curses
They are warnings to stay away from their king
I love reading these comments 😂
I know pretty much nothing when it comes to disposal of nucular waste but a lot of these who are writing "just put it in a rocket and fire it at the sun" know fuck all when it comes to getting rid of it. Just imagine if the rocket blew up on the launch pad or even worse if it blew up a few miles high.
Please do a bit of research (and I don't mean UA-cam) before you think of an idea of getting rid of it.
Yes, your right.
There is a lot of radioactive waste, but people are spending time and a LOT of money making fusion to work. There will also (hopefully) be someone who'll come up of an idea to make radioactive waste non radioactive. How they'll do that though I have no idea but once again we'll see.
People also dont realize it would take more fuel than has ever been used in all of human history and then some just to launch a fraction of the amount of nuclear waste into the sun. After all these years burying it is the only" solution" all us geniuses have come up with. And it just keeps piling up and wont be close to not being dangerous for another 300000 years
With all that nuclear waste you can make strong ašs anti armor bullets
The wipp site is an example of a good repository, the problem is finding an alternative to Yucca Mountain. Texas is stepping in and probably will accept highly radioactive waste. We'll have to wait and see, and reward TX for being so brave.
If there is a future we will be remember fondly for our care and consideration for the people of the future. haha
Lmao the irony is palpable!
Oh my gosh, I was thinking the same thing earlier tonight! How do we warn those in the future? Sculls and crosssbone lables?
HappyQuails thats too associated with pirates and isnt even a valid symbol today.
I guess it doesn't matter humanity only exists 100.000 year. And our earth has an expiration date, just like our sun. There will be an end of humanity. There is a beginning and an end. Don't need to think past human civilazation.
@@HermanWillems dude since humans have existed for 100000 years, it's feasible we'd exist for the next 100000 years while that fuel is still dangerous. Therefore it's important to at least make an effort to consider low probability scenarios such as if everyone forgets about nuclear physics, or if noone finds the site until all modern languages and records drop out of archeological memory.
We do like that.
We dig very, very deep, way below water network and biodiversity.
And we put all the very radioactive waste into glass and ceramic to stop their heat and radiation.
And hear me out: We reunite all the waste of the world ever made and put them deep underground, with the size of a football field.
Sure spikes look cool but damn this is so inefficient and too spookier than necessary :p
Even knowing what it contains, seeing the proposed site makes me want to explore it…
"We couldn't leave it near people because exposure could cause cancer or death"
*Shows footage of person writing on nuclear waste*
C p H e I d N o K
i would honestly just put an image of the effects it causes, or a drawing, then put dots to communicate what direction to read it in. if words and symbols wont work, then show them what it does
No paper wont last paint wont last stuff embedded on rocks wont last, NOTHING will last if we get wiped out and around 250000 or less years pass
Thts why they try to make use of the most basic things of life like fear to keep new civilizations away
How do you ensure the viewer will read it right?
If your making something like a comic strip, there are numerous factors to keep in mind. Which direction will these readers be used to reading? Up down, down up, left right, right left? A wrong guess can result in a message muddled by miscommunication.
And what art do you make that conveys the effects clearly, but also simple enough that they can last millenia and also be universally recognized? And what level of society is viewing this warning? Will they be able to interpret what the picture even means? And will that species even resemble modern humans enough that such a drawing is even applicable?
@@123deserted If that amount of time passes the radiation's gone dude. Anyways, if anything inscribed into the fear rocks wears down then eventually the rocks themselves will wear down also and either be straight up gone or lose the sharpness that creates the fear in the first place. So this solution isn't even that great by your own standards.
@@Shadow6OO not really, im pretty sure rock formations breaking away and paint and paper going away have enough time in between them for possible danger. Idk enough though just research the reasons if u want
Very much doubt iff humanity will be around in 10,000 years .
In 100.000 year human are'nt live on earth
That's why some people say.
@@user-gc1hg9sp9k Only God knows how to deal with.
@I like Green or if we destroy ourselves with nuclear weapons ...
2020: "3 months, take it or leave it"
We can't decipher most of what people did or wrote a mere 5 thousand years ago. Imagine 250k years from now. Future humans may or may not be advanced technologically.
Dear people of the future,
Please deal with this.
Thanks,
Super-foresight people of the past.
This stuff always makes me think of pyramids and empty tombs. Don't open it! We should send it to Mars imo. asap.
And then we settle mars and because there’s nothing on mars to dissipate the radiation you’re looking at one big heated gamer moment
The problem with sending waste into space is that if we fuck up we dump radioactive material into our atmosphere.
@@kidneybean5688 There’s also the risk the rocket, y’know, fucking splodes and then we got all these open ice cream cans of death
You can build a guardian... a robot powered by the heat energy generated by the waste. If it were controlled by some kind of advanced but unconscious AI, it could communicate with future generations informing them of the threat... or, as a last resort, scare them away.
Said AI would eventually be viewed as a god, if early humanity is a precedent to behavioral analysis.
In the end we need to NOT go extinct.
The best way to avoid a catastrophe in 10,000 is to still be there as a species, culture and set of beliefs.
Easy? Hell no. The best solution? No doubt.
This video had a ton of awkward silences
Gives it way more gravitas. Almost like they are deliberately giving you time to consider what was just uttered. 240,000 years... My god, how many generations is that etc.
I think its meant to be ominous
Those barrels and containers wont last 240,000 years either.....
No but the half a mile of rock they are burried under sure will
Those spikes are not intimidating at all. A future civilization would ignore them or even be more enticed to see what is down there.
Ah yes go directly to the gargantuan spikes.
At this point in our intellectual development it will not be difficult to continue using the "nuclear" symbol, and humans in the future will continue to know what it means. We are not in the 17th century where the best form of recording information was to write it on goat leather.. the information regarding the dangers of nuclear waste is not going to just "go away".
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Unless Alien overlords decide to take over after a mass cataclysm (*cough* like corona) and decide to ignore the remaining locals.
Unlikely, but could happen. At least in theory.
What if nuclear war... then our descendants think its not a dangerous place but they think of it as a burial ground or something
"We are not in the 17th century where the best form of recording information was to write it on goat leather.. the information regarding the dangers of nuclear waste is not going to just "go away"." That will be true if human civilization just keeps evolving and becoming more and more advanced. But there's a "small problem" - we don't know if if our current civilization will collapse due to some natural disaster like a super volcano, a comet/asteroid strike or if there is some global nuclear war. Heck even some super-virus can maybe wipe out almost all of humanity except for perhaps some remote, isolated islands. Then human civilization will have start all over again from scratch. After many thousands of years these future humans would yet again reach a technological stage and by then they might have spread and settled all over the planet. At best they may have old legends told from generation to generation that humanity once had ruled the planet in the distant past but they were wiped out in some apocalypse - and this in turn will lead to widespread speculation or just the same kind of religious superstition we have today about "the great flood".
In human history many great civilizations have collapsed and over time the knowledge about them vanished. Much of what was preserved about the ancient world was collected in scrolls and kept in the huge library in Alexandria. However that library burned down in a war and with it countless of records and preserved information about the ancient world. Now imagine if our computers and all their memories were wiped out in some global war or disaster. Imagine if we kept all our information of the past and all records there? Then all the knowledge of our world would disappear too and the later generations who would rebuild civilization over the centuries would just have "bits and pieces" of what we were. And if they discover out writing and letters in the nuclear tomb - those letters will be as unreadable to us as the hieroglyphs were to us before they discovered the Rosetta Stone. Now imagine if some post-apocalyptic human civilization is based from some small Polynesian island. When these people develop technology in the distant future their language will be based on the Polynesian language talked on this island. So even if we make a modern Rosetta Stone with the 20 most common languages spoken today people in 5000-10,000 years might not understand *any* of them.
@@Monarch_Prime thats fallout
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 children of the atom
these monuments are very intriguing to me ... how do you make something that will keep humans away, when our species is so terminally curious
Just bury it in places where there is no real reason for mining. Yes, we can ensure long-term safety, by the way. If they will be smart enough to be able to drill hundreds of meters deep, they will be smart enough to detect ionising radiation if they manage to get real close to the containers
it's literally us creating the set-up for a horror movie with dangerous other worldly ruins, dire warning in ancient dead languages, and the monster that is radioactive waste that could not be defeated, but sealed away in a deep dungeon.
Life imitates art?
very interesting topic but it hardly touches on the actual "how we're going to tell them". What are some of the proposals? The rationales behind them, etc
Do we think we’re just suddenly gonna forget all this? Human progression doesn’t just happen overnight. I think this problem is on the bottom of the hat we should be worried about.
I got recommended this after watching a video titled "Nuclear Waste is Safer Than You Think"
Someone is lying and I'd bet its this channel.
some of the designs look like forbidden playgrounds
Idk why but I am fascinated with the idea that future wanderers will find this.
Pushing this problem onto the distant generations seems like a quite irresponsible thing to do. Don't we have (or soon will have) the technology to transmute it in some way into other less long-lived isotopes? Maybe burying it too early is actually preventing us from solving it properly in say a couple of decades or so.
Thats what i think. What if we need to do something with it but an earthquake collapses tunnels or something. This should be a world wide topic everyday until a solution is foumd. Hell, swing the problem by school kids and let them share their possibly crazy ideas. Metal drums under the surface will just not do.
YOu better google up the fast spectrum reactors which will act as garbage disposals for this nuclear fuel.
I bet someone told the person in charge the same thing... and was told “hey if you any more bright ideas just keep them to yourself”
You need to bury it in the rock half a mile down as the Finns do. Only way to get rid of it.
We can recycle and reuse nuclear waste in our nuclear power plants. I Believe we have enough waste to power the entire united states for 100 years.
Design granite markers with large inscriptions and illustrations which are repeated all over the place. Everybody will understand that it's very important then. Even with many thousands of years of erosion these granite carvings will remain visible. In order for people to read the illustrations in correct order, just mark them with I for 1, II for 2, III for 3 and IIII for 4. Even utterly illiterate people will know that holding up four fingers is more than holding up three, two or just one and hence they come in the order if I, II, III and IIII. Even kids counting with the fingers on one hand can understand the order. Ancient people counted using the fingers one hand and used the thumb to count them.
With simple illustrations even kids can understand one doesn't have to worry what language people in the distant future speak.
I. Normal looking man standing over ground with the nuclear waste deep underground, marked by the nuclear symbol.
II. Normal looking man begins to dig or drill in said ground.
III. Sick looking man breaks open the nuclear containment. The faces of other people screaming in pain and despair.
IV. People lying dead on the ground with the sign of dangerous nuclear waste hovering all over them.
This illustration will make any people understand if they dig in this place whatever is sealed off into the underground will then become free and kill them all. The screams on the faces of people will make them understand it's a horrible fate. And if they're civilized they'll also realize that the reason it's buried so deep underground is because it must be very dangerous and whoever built it did it solely to keep it isolated at any cost.
The nuclear waste danger symbol should be depicted on all dead bodies too. This means that whether future people interpret that as some poison, lethal gas, dangerous germ, some plague or even some evil spirits they certainly won't rask setting whatever dangerous deep underground free. There should be depiction of dead animals too meaning that this thing is deadly to everything living not just humans.
the problem i’ve heard of having the step by step drawing of the effects of nuclear waste is that it may not be read like we do. some languages don’t read left to right, and some in the future could read down up. that would just make it seem like a savior like substance
@@autumnjacobs1164 that’s the point of the I II III IIII
How the heck would they know that the stuff was dead from the radiation. What if they don’t even understand the concept. What if they think it’s an ancient burial site for the honored according to the pictographs. That’s the issue I see
If I showed the nuclear waste symbol to someone just 500 years ago they’d have no idea what the heck it even means. How can we know if someone 10000 years in the future would even know. We can’t even understand Egyptian hieroglyphics easily (until we studied and translated them for a while) and those were only around 5000 years ago (maybe more I can’t exactly remember). The issue remains that culture will radically change in 10000 years and who knows what they’ll interpret your solution as. Tho I admit
The spike solution isn’t any better either
Spent fuel will be considered unspent in the near future when Molten Salt Reactors becomes the norm. MSR's will be used to very nearly completely spend/transform the radio active elements into non-radioactive elements.
Hiding it would be the best. Anything that says "Danger" in some way, will attract humans.
They need to engineer like "future fossils" with messages engraved into in them as well. Layer them just below the surface and then again a little bit deeper. Like a whole bunch of them to cover the whole area.
Could that be what is under the great pyramid?
It’d be one hell of a marker.
How to achieve salvation step.1 go into the spiked forest step.2 go into the middle of the forest and dig down step.3 let god take you
“The Spiked Forest harbors a deadly yet invisible creature that knows no mercy nor kindness. The walls are strewn about with warnings and curses. Heed them, or you shall be at the mercy of what resides behind the stone doors. Do not open the stone doors, for they have been sealed tightly to keep them at bay.”
instead of scaring people away you could just place a speaker that plays a really loud and annoying noise whenever someone gets near
Would modern day scientists be deterred by a loudspeaker in the desert?
Why can’t we just treat space like our ocean and just shoot all the waste into another star system.
It'd be a good solution if it didn't take several million dollars and thousands of pounds of fuel to do it.
@@Dillpickle1997 good point
There's the risk of a spaceship exploding and straight up dropping the radioactive waste back to earth.
I love how burying it underground forever is the perfect solution 😂😂😂😂😂really
Yes, actually! The place they're burying it in is actually perfect. The planned closing of the site is in 2038, when they'll collapse the tunnels and the salt bed will fill in the gaps. Salt is like lead, it's a good insulator and blocks radiation so that it will only be dangerous if people dig it out.
If u know something about nuclear science and how uranium works then you’ll know that site is perfect
That’s exactly where it should go. What’s the problem? That’s where it was before we dug it up.
It's a great solution. Earth is literally a nuclear power plant. And you don't worry about that waste material right??????
How to achieve salvation
Step one: find a spiked forest
Step two: go to the middle of the forest and dig downwards
Step three: follow the holy symbols (dont be afraid)
Step four: open all the sacred doors and wait
Step five: get down on your knees and recieve the gift from our forefathers
Isn't nuclear waste not deadly and relatively safe if stored under the right conditions? I don't mean to say nuclear waste isn't deadly, but that its far safer than say, fossil fuels?
Chernobyl has been proven to be a disaster very much due to mismanagement, but we are talking about waste here, not meltdowns. Other nuclear meltdowns have similarly been about ignoring safety rules rather than big booms causing nuclear radiation.
If stored yes. But in 20000 years humans might not even be here anymore. And if we are we might not know they are there and dig them mfs up
Depends on the fuel used and the reactor design. Generally speaking, most nuclear fuels become more radioactive until they are no longer safe to use. Then they are used for a short time in mixed-oxide reactors. After that they are usually SO "hot" that they cannot be safely controlled and are sent to sites like this one. The other worrisome materials are the left over parts of old dismantled nuclear weapons.
I mean, who knows if there's going to be humans that still follow radiation safety guidelines in 10000 years
Those spike monuments is the worst idea and one who came up with such idea should be the last one to be involved in subject matter
Any don't dig here sign will be translated as a dig here sign. Imagine if we found something like that. We would dig it up so fast.
Personally I believe this shit should be tended to on the surface where we can see it in plain site.
On the box put an engraving showing a radius from the box with varying levels of intensity.
Figures furthest from the box are upright and smiling. People second closest to the box are bent down frowning, with a pained look on their face. People closest to the box are bones. The sections can be color coded the same way as a traffic light. Or blue to red as ice to fire.
Just do an upscaling system. Every 10 generations humans should upgrade it.
The issue with that is that requires money. All that needs to happen is as little as a change in government administration and a budget cut.
@@chloetangpongprush3519 make it a local tradition
how about they make a scary looking animatronic that moves in an abnormal way and makes weird noises, and then figure out a way to somehow keep it functioning for thousands of years
Sigh, Nuclear waste gets less deadly each day. Les and less and less. Within a couple of hundred years you would have to eat the stuff turned to powder to get any harm from it. There is FAR more harm from false fear than from Nuclear "waste." This waste can be burned, or recycled. We NEED Nuclear power. We need inexpensive power that rescues the poor of the world from dire poverty. We can have an amazing future, but not if we dump this beautiful gift down the drain.
I just hope I'm not alive to the point where this will become an issue
My God! I swore that was Billy Bob Thornton speaking at the 2:20 min mark or so !
Humanity is just STUPID
you can't stop human curiosity it's ingrained.
this must be where spiderman got his powers, lets go there
I feel like it’s more about stopping people from farming or drilling there not exploring right?
Just make it smell really bad. No need to make all of this kickass imagery. If it smells really bad, people will avoid it
So we gonna stop the nuclear plants and put all the waste away in storage before we check out?
Best option is just to make it as hard to notice as possible. Remove all hints that something is there entirely. Getting to such depths is hard and noone in their right mind just starts digging a huge hole in the middle of nowhere. An even better option for a location would be putting it somewhere where earths crust is being pushed into the core. The core is already way more radioactive than almost anything we can put there. And it would take millions of years for it to reemerge
I am digging, that’s cold af totally an vibe
I can’t wrap my head around the fact that an information so valuable will end up lost without being transmitted to the next generation of humans. Like why- I mean ah I just can’t get it. And it’s even more nonsense because as time passes we as humans become more smarter, so we should be able to mantain a piece of information like this alive
Sure but it's not just for a hundred years or even a thousand years. This has to be kept hidden away for 240,000 years. Civilisations will have fallen, been raised up anew, and fallen again. New people, new languages. Everything.
Our civilisation is not immortal. We could go the same way as ancient Egypt or Babylon.
In ten thousand years, anyone could stumble into this dangerous land without having any understanding as to why.
Imagine having literally only a football sized field of waste ever produced that is stored in container stored miles under ground and calling “deadly”. Get real
Man just like flat-earthers I'm not sure if the people commenting here are genuine. What would cause someone to make a comment propagating disillusion about something that is an actual threat to us currently and future societies? If it's all a joke, well it's a bad joke and its not funny.
Which comments are you referring to?
@@gilian2587 honestly looking back I'm not sure, that comment was 2 years ago.
@@gilian2587 feel free to cite anything specific and I'll give you my opinion 👍
@@Danielhofjr There's references to reprocessing the waste for more material and more energy.
@@gilian2587 sadly the thing is that it is waste. A candle burns to ash and no longer makes flame. While ash has hydrocarbons that can be used, nuclear waste only has thousands upon thousands of years of pestilence left.
You assume that "future generations" are not going to be smarter than us.
not necessarily, more just that we won't be able to communicate with them in the same way that we can all communicate right now
Ever read the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov?
Is there a name for this type of architecture? Like concrete spikes and stuff
Connecting these to Lead. Lead is know as capable of containing Radiation. Making a new class lf Lead and making it the MAIN containment material and warning design.
I know. How about a really big sign that says “warning: nuclear waste, do not enter.”
Perhaps the statues on Easter Island were än attempt to scare away people from nuclear waste deposits?
What they do not know, will not hurt them.