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  • @AttilaAsztalos
    @AttilaAsztalos 4 роки тому +10

    Perhaps a short follow-up on what series and parallel mode is in an LCR meter and why one would want to use one or the other would be useful; I would expect quite a few hobbyists might not be aware of the difference. Very nice review and teardown by the way!

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому

      Thank you, the idea was noted 👍

    • @engjds
      @engjds 11 місяців тому

      He mentioned it, SER:low L high C, Par: high L, low C.

  • @TheDefpom
    @TheDefpom 4 роки тому +7

    @2:40 those are unavoidable, those are called weld lines, they are from the injection moulding process as the molten material flows around the inserts which form the holes for the buttons, you would see those in just about every plastic item depending upon material colour used, they are always there.

    • @0dium.
      @0dium. 4 роки тому

      always there on cheap, built to a cost devices ...

    • @TheDefpom
      @TheDefpom 4 роки тому +5

      odium - no, just always there, they are just part of the moulding process, sometimes they can be moved around a bit or hidden, but weld lines are always there. I’ve been doing injection moulding for nearly 30 years, and help design moulds, and fix product faults such as these marks.

    • @0dium.
      @0dium. 4 роки тому

      no, until it hits the ground ...

    • @TheDefpom
      @TheDefpom 4 роки тому

      John Coops - you are right, but they are always there, weld lines are always present when the flow has to go around something inside the cavity, it is unavoidable, how good the person is that sets up the mould and machine parameters, chiller/heater, water lines and flow rates, will determine how visible they are.

    • @TheDefpom
      @TheDefpom 4 роки тому

      Giosue - they are a weak point, however they are not an issue in this case. A part will fail at the weld line if a large stress is applied to it.

  • @0dium.
    @0dium. 4 роки тому +6

    this is a fairly good device, but DE-5000 which is around 90EUR has superior measurement ranges, in many of them has superior accuracy, screen also has superior reading quality (big lcd numbers and back light). case quality is also very strong and it comes with several adapters like smd tweezers.

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому +1

      I can see how the DE-5000 has an advantage for getting the extra adapters int he box and better screen readability but it's only a 20000 count meter and that superior accuracy everyone is mentioning it's not really the whole story as on some ranges the DE-5000 has 0.1% better accuracy while on others the Hantek has that 0.1% better accuracy. Either way, 0.1% is not going to matter much when you're using it for measuring a part and not having exactly the right measuring mode (series vs parallel) and the right frequency and the right test leads will introduce an error greater than 0.1% into your measurement. Did i mention the "kelvin test leads" they include in the package are not really true kelvin connections as the force and sense signals are shorted at the croc clip?

    • @Todestelzer
      @Todestelzer 4 роки тому

      I will buy a DE-5000 soon too. Best LCR/ESR device for money to get.
      Testing ESR with less than 100khz is useless for SMP too.

    • @JohnUsp
      @JohnUsp 4 роки тому +4

      @@Todestelzer Hantek1833C can test these frequencies: 100Hz, 120Hz, 400Hz, 1kHz, 4kHz, 10kHz, 40kHz, 50kHz, 75kHz, 100kHz

  • @MarkPalmer1000
    @MarkPalmer1000 4 роки тому +2

    Not kidding here- the first one of these I got from China seemed very nice from the beginning. Then I found out it would power on once, then not power back on again unless the batteries were removed from the unit. Very strange, and batteries were fully charged. Seller took it back, and after another month of waiting I got #2. And out of the box, fully charged, it would not power on at all, not even once. There was something rattling inside the case of the meter. I'm sure this was a case of double bad luck, but it didn't give me any faith at all in the Hantek name. I sent #2 back for a refund, and bought a used U1732B LCR from Keysight. No surprise, no problems, and I'm getting the job done again. Good test equipment costs more, but the quality and reliability will be appreciated long after the price is forgotten.

    • @thetechgenie7374
      @thetechgenie7374 11 місяців тому

      Yes have the u1732 and is a reliable, the other good one is the DE5000 as have that LCR meter as well and is as accurate as the u1732. I did make a true Kevin adapter for the DE5000 as the one that you can buy from DE is junk. Both great meters. The Hantek is pure junk bought the Hantek 1833c and the 100khz is not even close to the Keysight, or DE meter, plus had first one that also failed to power on unless you pull the batteries, assumed it was just a defective one but the accuracy was poor on higher frequencies on second unit compared to the other two meters. The DE also has better gold plating and better build. Do prefer the 18650’s on the Hantek instead of 9v battery on the DE and the Keysight meters but now just keep 9V batteries around.

  • @TheDefpom
    @TheDefpom 4 роки тому +4

    @11:07 the short should probably be done through the leads you will be using, unless you are plugging parts directly into the slots.

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому

      I've thought about that and I think it's best to use the shorting link for cal to obtain the best results. The inductance/capacitance of the leads would probably make it impossible to properly cal. One can use the REL function later to subtract something if needed.

    • @s_amoku
      @s_amoku 4 роки тому

      @@voltlog No you cant use the REL function because you are not measuring Resistance at DC. The leads have both Resistance and Inductance, if you use REL you have take in consideration only the Resistance part.

    • @keeleyhoek
      @keeleyhoek 4 роки тому

      @@voltlog But... isn't the whole point of the easily accessible cal function so you can calibrate with leads/with none depending on what you will be using?

  • @chefbink61
    @chefbink61 4 роки тому +2

    Very nice review as always. I have the DE-5000 and it's not a bad meter but there are a handful of things I do not like about it, and this meter seems to address some of them.
    1. The DE-5000 uses a 9 volt battery and it did not come with a power cord, and it also uses a very small 1.5 mm power jack.
    2, Its display can be a bit hard to read a some angels and lighting.
    3. The controls are a bit messy. It uses 1 button to go from auto to C, L, R, and the 1 to set the second measurement. It would be much better if it's controls were set up the way Hantek and done it with this meter.
    4. The housing feels very cheap and does not have a rubber bumper, but this is only a $100.00+ meter so it's ok for the money but this Hantek meter looks a lot better for the money.
    The DE-5000 does go to 100k Hz though which is something missing here.
    All in all from what I see of this meter so far I like. The display is a big plus for me and the batteries used is another big plus. I also like the control lay out. I may have to get one to see,,,, We all know you can never have to many meters...LOL

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому

      That's a fair comment addressing both the advantages of the DE-5000 and it's disadvantages. I might add that while the Hantek has great vertical viewing angles, the brightness is poor for outdoor use.

    • @chefbink61
      @chefbink61 4 роки тому

      @@voltlog Yes I saw how it would have a good viewing angle and it's White on black makes for good contrast. I do agree that the Hantek logo on the top needs to be removed and that is something that could be done with a firmware change, ( Hint Hint Hantek) say that 3 time fast!!

    • @RandomHacks
      @RandomHacks 4 роки тому +5

      I also own the DE-5000 and I do agree that the single button to go through the modes is a bit annoying but as for the other things, I find the plastic case to be very sturdy although it has a bit of a weird shape, the display seems to be way better than this hantek in terms of visibility and the battery lasts for ages, no need for rechargeable batteries and as you say there is a DC input if needed. I don't remember if it was a stock thing but mine also came with an adapter with short kelvin leads (that I later extended with my own cable and kelvin clips) and another one with a longer cable with kelvin tweezers for smd components. There is a trend now to put a color LCD on everything even when there is absolutely no need, monochromatic LCD's are way easier to read whether indoors or outdoors and they consume way less power. When I bought this LCR I read somewhere that 100kHz is an important frequency as some capacitor manufacturers rate their ESR at this frequency but I believe most are tested at 100/120Hz.

    • @0dium.
      @0dium. 4 роки тому +2

      the housing feels cheap ? we don't have the same device then , mine is strong with a nice finish not 3d printed feel :) i will agree the buttons are a bit annoying, but could be deal with.

    • @JohnUsp
      @JohnUsp 4 роки тому

      Hantek1833C can test these frequencies: 100Hz, 120Hz, 400Hz, 1kHz, 4kHz, 10kHz, 40kHz, 50kHz, 75kHz, 100kHz

  •  4 роки тому +2

    I have a 2d72 scope. It is a very good product and I find myself using it very often. I moved recently to a small apartment and my wife wouldn't allow me to have a bench oscilloscope, with this handheld scope, I have a 2CH 70MHz, a good arbitrary function generator, and a multimeter in the same small package. I connect it to my PC, and I have a functional PC scope with a big screen, but the software is not very well built. For the same price, you cannot even buy a PicoScope 10MHz series 2000, the entry-level. I think it uses the same microcontroller than the LCR meter you showed, but with an FPGA, AD converters (250MSa/s), and a dedicated multimeter IC. The screen is bright enough, never had problems, maybe your LCR meter has some problems from the manufacture.

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому

      Yeah, this got me thinking about the LCD brightness so I might send them an email and ask if this is normal. It might also be fixable through a firmware update if it's caused by something like not having full duty cycle on that pwm channel controlling the LED backlight.

  • @hullinstruments
    @hullinstruments 4 роки тому +2

    Would be great to see you review the portable hantek oscilloscope that looks identical to this LCR meter. In the same case and everything. I need a cheap portable scope that has decent performance… Because a lot of times I’m away from my lab and don’t want to carry one of my nice scopes around. A $2000 fluke scopemeter, or a $500-$700 micsig or siglent seems like a bit much for my needs.
    But I think the hantek 70 MHz model with function generator built-in is around $150… Which seems perfect.

  • @paulh0029
    @paulh0029 4 роки тому +2

    Would be nice to test low capacitor values like 10 pf and low inductor values like 0.1 uH. Is the meter stable after some measurements? Measuring large capacity is mostly no problem. Also to measure the Q of the inductor. A few more advanced tests would make this video even better.

    • @user-ty2uz4gb7v
      @user-ty2uz4gb7v 3 роки тому

      I also was looking for small value inductor measurements, from the manual it appears that it only goes down to 4 uH.

  • @dietermontanez6576
    @dietermontanez6576 2 роки тому +1

    Hello what do I have to do to make the App work with windows 10, what are the settings of the com port?

  • @totallyfrozen
    @totallyfrozen 2 роки тому

    Is there a way to modify the unit to make the screen brighter?
    4:18
    None of them work. The manual is written in a Chinese dialect and the Quick Tutorial and Video Tutorial links do nothing.
    Thank you for trying to provide a link to the English language manual; however, it says 404 the page is missing. So I found you have to surf the net (to use an old term) to find it.

  • @engjds
    @engjds 11 місяців тому

    Great review, only deal breaker for me, is the dim display, I wonder if we could resolve that issue?, thoughts?

  • @dimalranasinghe8152
    @dimalranasinghe8152 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for the information.

  • @MJSeo13
    @MJSeo13 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for detailed review!

  • @IU3EVR
    @IU3EVR 4 роки тому

    you MUST use the frequency indicated on the test box, for comparison, to make sense

  • @electronic7979
    @electronic7979 4 роки тому +2

    Good review video 👍

  • @davidpyper1688
    @davidpyper1688 4 роки тому +2

    Build the test leads please and thank you.

  • @Jaaaarod
    @Jaaaarod 4 роки тому

    Thank this VDO is help me a lot about to buy this one..

  • @richardtallian5156
    @richardtallian5156 4 роки тому +1

    I have the their 2d72 oscilloscope and i really like it, I plan to buy this so I can finally measure my salvaged components. Also the scope has good brightness I think, so I don't know what's up with this.

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому

      I think maybe they used a lower brightness TFT in this unit or maybe it's something that can be fixed in a firmware update like the PWM not running full duty cycle with that setting.

  • @Toosha80
    @Toosha80 4 роки тому +1

    Recessed usb is likely result of shared case with other deviced to provide a better “CAT x“ rating

  • @JohnUsp
    @JohnUsp 4 роки тому

    Compare with the DE-5000. Can you DIY Kelvin Clip for this LCR?

  • @rydec349
    @rydec349 4 роки тому

    So it uses serial com. So it possible to do automatical testing if we know the byte need to be sent. Does it have documentation (sdk) ?

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому

      Check the user manual linked in the description, the protocol is detailed.

  • @amfiton0019
    @amfiton0019 3 роки тому

    После выключения прибора калибровка сбивается.включаю заново и показывает 9 pf.

  • @DustinWatts
    @DustinWatts 4 роки тому +2

    Good review! Seems like a pretty descent LCR meter for that price. @15:56 there is an unpopulated footprint for which looks to be for something with an antenna. Wonder if there is a WIFI or Bluetooth version available.

    • @Hugatry
      @Hugatry 4 роки тому +3

      It seems to match ESP-12. They even populated pull-ups for EN and RST pins. EDIT: Just watched the video and checked the manual linked in the description. Serial communication is very well documented in the manual. WiFi functionality should be easy to implement, if one really needs it.

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому +2

      In theory I think it's possible to hack it and add the ESP module in there (if there is serial data present) but in practice I'm not sure how useful that is in a handheld LCR meter. I don't think I'll ever use something like that. In a bench meter it might make more sense to have something like that. For me this is the kind of instrument that I'll keep in it's nice carry case and only bring out when I'm doing a repair/debugging session or maybe when I'm trying build or test some inductors.

  • @FixDaily
    @FixDaily 4 роки тому +6

    Way more expensive than DE-5000 which has way better quality and accuracy.

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому +3

      I'm failing to see how the DE-5000 has better quality and accuracy considering this: it barely contains anything on that internal PCB, it uses a pesky 9V battery for power vs 18650 cells on the hantek, it is a 20.000 count meter vs the hantek which is 40.000 count, it uses a segment lcd vs a tft on the hantek, you need to buy an additional interface for usb connection, accuracy figures seem similar. So what are you saying there?

    • @FixDaily
      @FixDaily 4 роки тому +7

      @@voltlog Well you can pay an extra fee to calibrate the DE-5000, which means that it has to be reliable. It is a Japonese product (which by itself doesn't mean much, but ok)
      About the amount of components, both are pretty similar, this Hantek only has 2 boards but very unpopulated.
      The DE-5000 has 2 main chips, one the MCU and the other one is responsible to control the readings (this Hantek only has a lot of chips to do the same work).
      Hantek uses a dc-dc converter which induce noise, DE-5000 uses LDOs.
      Both boards are gold-plated but DE-5000 is more shinny, so i would say it has more quality.
      DE-5000 needs an extra interface to use the USB communication but it is isolated, not direct USB communication with the board, which once again induces noise.
      It has a 9v battery but it doesn't waste 1mA in standby mode :D
      DE-5000 uses a readable screen.
      Hantek has to be more powerful indeed, because it has a better MCU, but why bother with graphics and functionalities if what really meters is to have good and reliable readings

    • @Bro-bx4ec
      @Bro-bx4ec 4 роки тому +5

      @@FixDaily I owe the 1833c and I am happy with it. It has extended ranges in low C and R and it has selectable speed ranges. So you can use faster measurement speed if its needed or slower if it has to be more acurate. I dont think that gold-plated boards, LDO's or dc-dc converter are crucial on the measurement results. However I'd also like to see if one'd make a video having those two side by side and compare to make a better choice.

    • @gordonwedman3179
      @gordonwedman3179 4 роки тому +1

      @@voltlog I was thinking I might add this to my collection of LCR meters but I really could not see most of the measurements you made. That screen kills it for me. I will stick with my DE-5000 which is very readable and plenty accurate enough.

  • @nigelrhodes4330
    @nigelrhodes4330 Рік тому

    For the life of me I can't get this unit set up on Windows 10, can anyone help?

  • @robatoto
    @robatoto 4 роки тому +1

    The meter doesn’t seem to have input terminals for 4 wire measurements. So Kelvin test probes won’t work.

    • @keeleyhoek
      @keeleyhoek 4 роки тому

      No, he is talking about Kelvin probes into the blade socket, which is 4-wire (this is both labelled on the front of the unit and clearly visible in the teardown). The screenshots of Kelvin probes he showed were also this blade style.

  • @zoozolplexOne
    @zoozolplexOne 2 роки тому

    Cool !!

  • @s_amoku
    @s_amoku 4 роки тому +6

    I understand your relation with Banggood, but is not fair at all, against yours viewers, not to mentioned that "DER EE DE-5000 Handheld LCR Meter" is a much better choose and cost only $97. This LCR is a piece off shit compared to DE-5000.

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому

      Let us know how the DE-5000 is superior to the Hantek.

    • @s_amoku
      @s_amoku 4 роки тому +7

      ​@@voltlog Are you kidding me or what?
      A LCR meter is useless without Kelvin Test Leads. If you don't know why, please don`t ask me, find it yourself. The price of the Hantek TO12 is much higher than DE-5000 $145 vs $86 (100kHz). If you include the Test Leads 145+25+25= $195 vs $110.
      Not to mentioned that DE-5000 has higher accuarity, it uses dedicated chip, it use sine wave to do the measurement, it is true 4.5 digit vs 3.5 digit of STM32F103 ADC, has much lower standby current, it can be left unused for years without discharging the battery, has a better display, etc...

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому +4

      Why are you only telling one side of the story? Do you know the "kelvin test leads" they include in the package are not really true kelvin connections as the force and sense signals are shorted at the croc clip? Or the fact that the hantek is a 40000 count meter vs 20000 on the DE-5000? Or the accuracy everyone is mentioning it's not really the whole story as on some ranges the DE-5000 has 0.1% better accuracy while on others the Hantek has that 0.1% better accuracy. Either way, 0.1% is not going to matter much when you're using it for measuring a part and not having exactly the right measuring mode (series vs parallel) and the right frequency and the right test leads will introduce an error greater than 0.1% into your measurement.

    • @jaro6985
      @jaro6985 4 роки тому +1

      @@s_amoku There are plenty of very useful LCR meters that didn't even have Kelvin test connections at all. 0.5-1% accuracy is fine for the majority of tasks.

    • @s_amoku
      @s_amoku 4 роки тому +2

      @@voltlog ​If you or Hantek have find out how to do 40 000 measurement with 12 bit ADC you should be a rich men now. Please tell me who you can archive 40000 counts with 12 bit (4096 counts)???
      Comparing this Hantek TO12 with DE-5000 is pretty much like comparing Fluke with UNI-T.
      Please can tell me where Hantek has that better accuracy?
      Yes is true that it don't have "true Kelvin" (With capital K because is the name of the inventor) but the important thing is that the cable are Kelvin connections, the cables have e very high resistance compared with the alligator clip. If you want true Kelvin you can replace the alligator clip with some "Kelvin test clip" from Aliexpress, they cost only $1 for 2 pcs.
      The deal-breaker for me is that it has very height standby current, which mean that if you don`t use the instrument for long period of time it became unusable, you need to recharge the battery before reusing it, which is not practical at all. I have replaced the battery of my DE-5000 more then 4 years ago and it is still working.

  • @sourekpetr
    @sourekpetr 3 роки тому

    Does it measure ESR of caps?

    • @andreavico6198
      @andreavico6198 2 роки тому +1

      Yes

    • @sourekpetr
      @sourekpetr 2 роки тому

      @@andreavico6198 I had bought it back then, using it from time to time. Nice tool. Same as the oscilloscope from same company. Good for my hobby projects, affordable for person who is not doing it professionally.

  • @MisterBonetti
    @MisterBonetti 3 роки тому

    Build the test leads!

  • @mihaichirila9127
    @mihaichirila9127 4 роки тому

    Are you from romania?

  • @coldfinger459sub0
    @coldfinger459sub0 4 роки тому +8

    First thing I noticed compared to the DE 5000 this thing is more expensive less accuracy less quality less options and doesn’t even come with the four-way connectors. They got to be kidding at this price it’s a handteck it supposed to be cheaper. NOT ! More expensive for less product

    • @voltlog
      @voltlog  4 роки тому +2

      It's useful to know that the "kelvin test leads" they offer with the DE-5000 are not really true kelvin connections as both sense and force signals short at the entry of the croc clip. I don't know why everyone is mentioning the less quality thing, where does that come from? Even though the battery cover for the Hantek has some flaws (it's hard to open, usb recessed) overall the case is very strong, interlocking blast shield, rubber holster, everything you could ask. Also useful to know the DE-5000 is only a 20000 count meter vs 40000 on the Hantek.