Cool to see the CH1 Accord Type R mentioned, most of the world dont seem to know it exists, never thought I'd ever see any in New Zealand but I was lucky enough to see 2 of them in the Wellington region
I had one in Nelson for 6 years. It was my baby, stock standard, slightly lowered and no wing. Looked and drove amazing. Moved to Wellington and it got stolen after 6 weeks 😢
@@tssb7 Apparently they were the most stolen cars during the time i was in Auckland, it was in 2011 and i owned a Torneo SiR, B20 Vtec Bluetop auto. great great car, one of the best honda i have owned, i have owned around 80 Hondas in the past 17 years, just to put things into prospective :)
Legendry cars both of them, I have been using cl7 since I was 20 years old and now I a. 41 year old and last year I bought cl7 euro r 2006 model. I will definately keep it with me as an antique euro r for my rest of my life.
i recently bought a black 2008 euro r CL7 with a Mugen exhaust and it is the best decision i have ever made when it comes to cars, i couldn't ask for anything more. You were part of the reason i even considered the car. Thank you.
Your channel represents car enthusiasts before strict euro emission regulations where manufacturers can churn high hp with simple design and manual was common. Cars nowadays are too complicated, porky ,expensive and a bit sterilized on the driving feel. I enjoy the way you presents on driving feel rather than the details of car specs. Keep it up!.
Killer video man! I imported my Milano Red CL1 Euro R into Australia last year. Truly a beast to drive and a car I will try to hold onto for as long as I can. Would like to take a CL7 for a spin though!
Hey!) If not a secret, how much you paid for Milano red in Japan? What was a condition? Thinking to get one as well. I had CH9 with Cl1 gearbox many years ago, now I want Cl1
@@dmitrypiotrovskiy2518 I've seen most CL1 Euro Rs going for about $18k - 20k AUD if you import through a broker, and about $22k - $25k if you import or buy through a dealership. Mine was done through a dealership that bulk imported cars over from Japan so I paid about $24k for Milano Red.
Thanks for the vid mate, I really miss my CL1 after watching this, it was such a great handling car with the double wishbones all round and you could use all its performance on NZ roads
The Accord Euro R was such a fleeting cult car. I enjoyed its blue color and its place alongside the Civic and Integra Type R's, back when I was first learning of them from Initial D.
I looove the Ch1..and that's why i got 2 off them! 😇 But would love to have the CL7.!! Just love sedan! The CL1 has the same steering wheel as the Ferrari 550 Maranello and the Ek9 and Dc2.! The H22a7 sound and tourque is a masterpiece!
Nice video mate! Got a CL7 Euro R myself. However, they have double wishbone suspension in both front and back. That is what Ichishima San (founder of Spoon Sports), said made the Euro R the best Honda chassis of all time
„These are some special cars man…“ that summed it up in a very straightforward manner. The only thing is that they are just nowhere to be found anymore.
Would love to see you drive a CH1. I currently have 4 CL1s (3 for spares) and 2 CH1s. One of my CH1s I've had 10 years now, high comp engine etc. The CL1 drives great, but the CH1s even better. Faster, lighter, wider track, fantastic power steering instead of the CL1s troublesome and soulless EPS system...trust me you think the CL7 is good, wait until you try a CH1, especially a modified one.
Good video. I had an auto LEV version of the CL years ago which was still a good car and a h22a prelude that went like the clappers too. We used to play a game on what hills you could go up at 50k in 5th gear, the h22a would surprisingly do extremely well haha
Great video as always Kiwi! Been wondering ... If you would compare this CL1 vs your previous CL9 you've modified if terms of torque ( not considering the power delivery since the CL9 didn't had a LSD ) was it any different or similar ?
I really want to daily drive an CL1 Type R, it is just a masterpiece, H22, 5 speed, VTEC goodness what more could you ask for, Im not sure does a Type R have cruise control?
Have always been a fan of the h22a. Had one in each of my honda preludes. One had a longer geared accord trans and the other had the t2 transmission with lsd
The difference is that the cl1 used the prelude/accord big engine back then. The cl7 uses the civic type r engine. It's like if they put a b18 in the cl1, It would not feel right. If the cl7 had a k24a it would of been perfect!!
CL1 is so clean the body is just better I reckon, with an aftermarket steering wheel the interior would look much crisper. But my 2000 Subaru RSK is cleaning both of these up rolls or launch
Epic video. Might have to snag up an accord.. As long as it doesn't get stolen as soon as I park it somewhere lol. Where's the road at the end? Looks epic
Aw man, I miss my old CL1 Torneo now! I bought it in 2020 for something like 3.2k NZD and it’s still the best value for money car I’ve owned to this day (IS350 close behind) the H22A was addictive even though it drank oil like no tomorrow, as they are known for. Ended up selling it for more than I paid a year later as they’ve been increasing a lot in value lately, like my DC2 sir. Also, loving the AlphaTauri t-shirt!
Yeah mate used to be so cheap aye. Best bang for buck performance sedan. Not so much anymore annoyingly. And yes haha got a few red bull/alpha tauri stuff
Did I understood right: CH1 and CL1 feels and performs the same? I heard from few Honda guys that the CH1 feels and accelerates like a DC2 Integra Type R. What would you guys say?
How about a Frankenstein K24A3 engine block / K20A (High Performance) cylinder head combination w/ custom ECU remap? Should be good for 190kW / 240Nm +?!
Man, the $6500 I paid for my cl1 that made 152kw atw with just intake and tune compared the 224kw atw in my 350z hr now $40k+ deep. Far better bang for buck in those Hondas even now that people want 10k for a shitter aha
@@KiwiCarLife oh yeah, if power was my main concern the stock turbo bmw 135i or 335i would be the best option! About 15k of my Z is on intake/testpipes/exhaust and tune. Pretty low kw/$ when ya dealing with NA huh?!
I just can't comprehend spending 40k plus to stay na just to make 250kw like 20k will make almost double that and you still have money to make it look pretty
@@HYPERHYPER-if8wv I get that, and if power was my only concern I would have got a DE and turboed it for the money I bought the car for but I'm super particular, bought the best cond, top spec manual HR I've seen and all the best parts new, suspension alone was over 5k. Each to their own though someone beats me in their shitter I'll still be happy with my choices haha
@@currarwhitham-field5213 to true each to there own I couldnt imagine how your beast would sound but I'm darn sure it would sound damn near perfect for a N.A build I'm in 15k+ on my Z but I went with the rearmount setup that my mate and I are fabricating from the start and I'm still not built (internals) wise 🤣🤣
I already know my pick. Its tempting to get a Cl7 but i won't because of the engine. I already have a K24a2. Why would I go K20? Cl9 6 Speeds are getting pricey in the States. Cheaper to import. I'm such a 90's Honda fan. I had a 97' Integra Sedan as my first car. I really want a NA Miata. 00's I don't really care. Its mainly for the DC5s and Civics. Too bad the Accord outhandle them all lol. Superior 90's double wishbone.
Really good video. The CL7 with a 2.0L engine is too small. I have a 2008 US Mugen Si sedan with the 200 hp 2.0L K20Z3 engine. It's not a fun car to drive around town or commute in. A 2008 US 2.4L K24A2 engine will be going in soon
H22A red top torque is 221nm , h22a black top sir/vti-R is 205nm+ . You can feel the difference in torque especially on VTEC , not much difference in performance.
@@KiwiCarLife I think they will just make it more expensive to register over new(if its a new vs old) or electric (if its electric vs petrol)and or raise the petrol prices. Japan has always had old car tax so people just buy new as it works out cheaper.
Hey bro I believe you’re a mechanic for Honda correct? I’m 18 and considering applying for an apprenticeship there, Would you recommend it? I’ve been watching all your videos for months and just realised I forgot to sub, That just changed 😅 Keep up the good work man!
Yeah. Having owned H22 and K20 engine cars, i have to say that the K series is the better engine but, it doesn't do the thing like an H22 does. I kinda feel like the vvt softens the kick of the vtec in the K engine.
Cool to see the CH1 Accord Type R mentioned, most of the world dont seem to know it exists, never thought I'd ever see any in New Zealand but I was lucky enough to see 2 of them in the Wellington region
I had one in Nelson for 6 years. It was my baby, stock standard, slightly lowered and no wing. Looked and drove amazing. Moved to Wellington and it got stolen after 6 weeks 😢
Yeah they're very interesting for sure. Sorry to hear it got stolen!
@@tssb7 Apparently they were the most stolen cars during the time i was in Auckland, it was in 2011 and i owned a Torneo SiR, B20 Vtec Bluetop auto. great great car, one of the best honda i have owned, i have owned around 80 Hondas in the past 17 years, just to put things into prospective :)
@@civic95reborn do you mean an F20B?
@@Slowest_Accord yes sorry didn't realise i wrote B20, too many of them hahaha
I got a CL9 for my first car after watching your videos
Same as me bro
Haha awesome
Legendry cars both of them, I have been using cl7 since I was 20 years old and now I a. 41 year old and last year I bought cl7 euro r 2006 model. I will definately keep it with me as an antique euro r for my rest of my life.
Awesome!
Love a CL1 such a classic design these are underrated
Absolutely
i recently bought a black 2008 euro r CL7 with a Mugen exhaust and it is the best decision i have ever made when it comes to cars, i couldn't ask for anything more. You were part of the reason i even considered the car. Thank you.
Nice man! You’ll love it
The cl1 has got the same engine as my prelude sir s-spec. And I love it!
Mm yes lovely motor
Kinda easier to say
Same body (h22a)
Different bones (internals)
Your channel represents car enthusiasts before strict euro emission regulations where manufacturers can churn high hp with simple design and manual was common. Cars nowadays are too complicated, porky ,expensive and a bit sterilized on the driving feel. I enjoy the way you presents on driving feel rather than the details of car specs. Keep it up!.
Thanks!
my first CL1 really got me into honda's, great car!
Indeed
Really nice vid as usual mate, two superb cars!
Thanks man
You nailed the outro. Once again, thanks for the Accord content.
Thanks man
Killer video man! I imported my Milano Red CL1 Euro R into Australia last year. Truly a beast to drive and a car I will try to hold onto for as long as I can. Would like to take a CL7 for a spin though!
Thanks man! And yeah the CL7 is definitely a little more refined
Hey!)
If not a secret, how much you paid for Milano red in Japan? What was a condition? Thinking to get one as well. I had CH9 with Cl1 gearbox many years ago, now I want Cl1
@@dmitrypiotrovskiy2518 I've seen most CL1 Euro Rs going for about $18k - 20k AUD if you import through a broker, and about $22k - $25k if you import or buy through a dealership. Mine was done through a dealership that bulk imported cars over from Japan so I paid about $24k for Milano Red.
I grew up in Japan and now live in Uzbekistan ! Your channel reminds me of my childhood and all fun cars that saw
Nicee
Thanks for the vid mate, I really miss my CL1 after watching this, it was such a great handling car with the double wishbones all round and you could use all its performance on NZ roads
Absolutely
The Accord Euro R was such a fleeting cult car. I enjoyed its blue color and its place alongside the Civic and Integra Type R's, back when I was first learning of them from Initial D.
Yeah man fantastic cars
Can never skip a accord video
Yuurs
Silly fact the Cl1 and Cl7 were named Euro R to pay tribute to the CH1....also Great video again👍
Thanks man!
I actually prefer the dash/interior of the CL1, it feels like a more driver-centric design.
Interesting… I just prefer the build quality of CL7
I looove the Ch1..and that's why i got 2 off them! 😇 But would love to have the CL7.!! Just love sedan! The CL1 has the same steering wheel as the Ferrari 550 Maranello and the Ek9 and Dc2.! The H22a7 sound and tourque is a masterpiece!
Yesssss
H22A 🦾nice vid mate !!
Thanks man!
Nice video mate! Got a CL7 Euro R myself. However, they have double wishbone suspension in both front and back. That is what Ichishima San (founder of Spoon Sports), said made the Euro R the best Honda chassis of all time
Not to the extent of all the research I've done. It's a 5 link setup in the rear. Very similar to double wishbone
„These are some special cars man…“ that summed it up in a very straightforward manner. The only thing is that they are just nowhere to be found anymore.
Yeah sad times
Holy shit I didn't know these cars had a Double Wishbone setup! I guess Honda's were doing very well at that time.
Indeed
Nicely spoken
If you get the chance to aquire a type r or euro r dont think twice they dont stick around too long
Absolutely
_very cool comparison 😎love ❤️the sound on that CL1💪🏼_
Thanks man
Would love to see you drive a CH1. I currently have 4 CL1s (3 for spares) and 2 CH1s. One of my CH1s I've had 10 years now, high comp engine etc. The CL1 drives great, but the CH1s even better. Faster, lighter, wider track, fantastic power steering instead of the CL1s troublesome and soulless EPS system...trust me you think the CL7 is good, wait until you try a CH1, especially a modified one.
Hopefully one day. Not many here in nz
Good video. I had an auto LEV version of the CL years ago which was still a good car and a h22a prelude that went like the clappers too. We used to play a game on what hills you could go up at 50k in 5th gear, the h22a would surprisingly do extremely well haha
Haha yeah man all about the torque!
Great video as always Kiwi!
Been wondering ... If you would compare this CL1 vs your previous CL9 you've modified if terms of torque ( not considering the power delivery since the CL9 didn't had a LSD ) was it any different or similar ?
I did this video already, that's what the red car was from
I really want to daily drive an CL1 Type R, it is just a masterpiece, H22, 5 speed, VTEC goodness what more could you ask for, Im not sure does a Type R have cruise control?
Nah it doesn't but in every other regard it's great
Great review!
Thanks man
Have always been a fan of the h22a. Had one in each of my honda preludes. One had a longer geared accord trans and the other had the t2 transmission with lsd
Very nice
The difference is that the cl1 used the prelude/accord big engine back then. The cl7 uses the civic type r engine. It's like if they put a b18 in the cl1, It would not feel right. If the cl7 had a k24a it would of been perfect!!
Yeahh very true actually. Wish Honda made a true red top K24A
Red car's body design is also timeless.
For sure
CL1 is so clean the body is just better I reckon, with an aftermarket steering wheel the interior would look much crisper. But my 2000 Subaru RSK is cleaning both of these up rolls or launch
Yeah man looks nice aye!
Hi mate,is it available to try Altezza 280T?I saw one on trademe in 2015 which asked for 18500nzd and I know it is pretty rare in NZ.
Haven't heard of the 280t. What engine?
Epic video. Might have to snag up an accord.. As long as it doesn't get stolen as soon as I park it somewhere lol. Where's the road at the end? Looks epic
Sh3
Nice video as always. What kind of watch are you wearing?
Thanks man, Casio Ediface ECB-900MDC
I love the Accord R’s but sadly we didn’t get them in Canada.
Yeah u got the tsx though
Aw man, I miss my old CL1 Torneo now! I bought it in 2020 for something like 3.2k NZD and it’s still the best value for money car I’ve owned to this day (IS350 close behind) the H22A was addictive even though it drank oil like no tomorrow, as they are known for. Ended up selling it for more than I paid a year later as they’ve been increasing a lot in value lately, like my DC2 sir.
Also, loving the AlphaTauri t-shirt!
Yeah mate used to be so cheap aye. Best bang for buck performance sedan. Not so much anymore annoyingly. And yes haha got a few red bull/alpha tauri stuff
@@KiwiCarLife they’re easily upwards of 7-8k now, all with a lot of k’s.
I need to get me some merch!!
Did I understood right: CH1 and CL1 feels and performs the same? I heard from few Honda guys that the CH1 feels and accelerates like a DC2 Integra Type R. What would you guys say?
Yeah ch1 and cl1 are the same
How about a Frankenstein K24A3 engine block / K20A (High Performance) cylinder head combination w/ custom ECU remap? Should be good for 190kW / 240Nm +?!
Yeah I’ve done a video on a few of them. Good combination
@@KiwiCarLife Nice, seems to be the dream I imagined. Sadly, good 7th gen Accords are pretty rare in Germany. Euro-R wasn't available at all.
In Jamaica we have all 3 in a stock pile to a point where they don’t sell for much dc5 type r fd2 type r we have them all
Ah yes
Have 3 cl1 and 1 cl7, accord is nice car~~
Nice
As of now I am clocking 320k miles on my TSX , flawlessly.
Excellent
I cant believe I sold my euro r and then u purchased one. No way man
Lovely car
It really is. Makes me smile seeing you drive it. Keep up the good work bro 💪
Man, the $6500 I paid for my cl1 that made 152kw atw with just intake and tune compared the 224kw atw in my 350z hr now $40k+ deep. Far better bang for buck in those Hondas even now that people want 10k for a shitter aha
Well... to a point. Could also spend 10k on a 335i with a stage one tune and make as much power as your 350Z...
@@KiwiCarLife oh yeah, if power was my main concern the stock turbo bmw 135i or 335i would be the best option! About 15k of my Z is on intake/testpipes/exhaust and tune. Pretty low kw/$ when ya dealing with NA huh?!
I just can't comprehend spending 40k plus to stay na just to make 250kw like 20k will make almost double that and you still have money to make it look pretty
@@HYPERHYPER-if8wv I get that, and if power was my only concern I would have got a DE and turboed it for the money I bought the car for but I'm super particular, bought the best cond, top spec manual HR I've seen and all the best parts new, suspension alone was over 5k. Each to their own though someone beats me in their shitter I'll still be happy with my choices haha
@@currarwhitham-field5213 to true each to there own I couldnt imagine how your beast would sound but I'm darn sure it would sound damn near perfect for a N.A build
I'm in 15k+ on my Z but I went with the rearmount setup that my mate and I are fabricating from the start and I'm still not built (internals) wise 🤣🤣
I love the CL7 for me
Good car
I already know my pick. Its tempting to get a Cl7 but i won't because of the engine. I already have a K24a2. Why would I go K20? Cl9 6 Speeds are getting pricey in the States. Cheaper to import. I'm such a 90's Honda fan. I had a 97' Integra Sedan as my first car. I really want a NA Miata. 00's I don't really care. Its mainly for the DC5s and Civics. Too bad the Accord outhandle them all lol. Superior 90's double wishbone.
Yeah man even Mugen used the CL1 and CL7 instead of the DC2/DC5 for their race cars because of the double wishbone
Who would win a head to head race?
Cl7
This makes me miss my 6gen
Mmm good vehicle
My love CL7R
Nice!
You probably get better fuel economy from the k20 than h22?
Yeah definitely
Such a sad conclusion to hit me with... Now I feel like I have to keep my car forever.
I know man I should have kept mine
Where is this road in nz bro? I wanna drive my accord there and have some fun😅😂😂
CL1 was on Ridge road just north of riverhead
CL7 on SH4 between Ratehi and Whanganui
@@KiwiCarLife cheers bro.. your videos has helped me alot to know the car 🙏🏻🙏🏻 thankyou for making videos
Love the Accord content. Have you thought about supercharging the CL7? Would love to see it 😜
Would be cool, but I've said in the past: if I was gonna supercharge a car, I'd rather just buy something faster. Like my ISF haha
@@KiwiCarLife think of the content, the build would pay for itself 😜
Really good video.
The CL7 with a 2.0L engine is too small. I have a 2008 US Mugen Si sedan with the 200 hp 2.0L K20Z3 engine. It's not a fun car to drive around town or commute in.
A 2008 US 2.4L K24A2 engine will be going in soon
Nice man
You're going to put a k24 in and take the k20 out? Are you a grandpa?
@@alphaomega3633 The K20 is blown, silly boy.
@@andydhillon1977 Oh ok and where does it say you blew it silly girl? I know you like blowing things though aye 😂
@alphaomega3633 Pretty pathetic you're so mad at what I'm doing with my car, silly boy!
The CL1 has multi-link rear and the front is not double wishbone. It uses wishbone upper control arms for the front.
That wasn't the impression I was under
@7:54 so sad, but true... It did sound like a line of fast & Furious
Haha yeah true
The euro R is just an H swapped accord, been thinking about doing that to my clapped out 00’ accord
Well there's a bit more to it than that
@@KiwiCarLife if you squint really hard the front end looks cooler on the NA
H22A red top torque is 221nm , h22a black top sir/vti-R is 205nm+ . You can feel the difference in torque especially on VTEC , not much difference in performance.
Oh yes
I rather the CL1 anyday
Fair enough
Wheres the race
Didn't get a chance to unfortunately
😁
Cheers
I have 2.4 CL9 A/T. In Turkiye, there isn't CL7. You are lucky.
@@cuneytcomuk4387 nice man! Yeah they were only sold in Japan. Fortunately nz gets a lot of jap imports
I have a h swapped crx if u wanna drive it
Goodness me that would be cool! Hit me up on insta @kiwicarlife.yt
I just put a turbo on my cl1 euro r and completely destroyed a k20a lol lucky for me he wasn't turboed as well 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well yeah obviously a turbo H22 would beat a stock K20 haha
@@KiwiCarLife haha very obvious lol but like I said I'm lucky he wasn't turboed 🤣🤣🤣
@@KiwiCarLife I was just surprised how obvious it was
they will be around, if you own them 😂
True haha I guess it's whether we're allowed to own them
@@KiwiCarLife I think they will just make it more expensive to register over new(if its a new vs old) or electric (if its electric vs petrol)and or raise the petrol prices.
Japan has always had old car tax so people just buy new as it works out cheaper.
Basically there will be nothing like this for this price range....only the ridiculous super cars and lousy EVs
in a few years possibly so enjoy them while you can!
Hey bro I believe you’re a mechanic for Honda correct? I’m 18 and considering applying for an apprenticeship there, Would you recommend it? I’ve been watching all your videos for months and just realised I forgot to sub, That just changed 😅 Keep up the good work man!
Thanks man and if you want to get an apprenticeship I'd recommend going through weltec
Yeah. Having owned H22 and K20 engine cars, i have to say that the K series is the better engine but, it doesn't do the thing like an H22 does. I kinda feel like the vvt softens the kick of the vtec in the K engine.
Yeah true I’d agree