Hahahaha I at first thought this was the "best match of 2024" but instantly remembered Winter's clever and dry sense of humor and excellent wit. Allow it! :D
the part that i found crazy was that both Winter and apparently Serral himself thought Serral was ahead at a certain point in the game. based on, you know, the last 20 or so official games between the two, if Clem has either 4 bases or 8 ghosts Serral is basically dead.
Yep. Terran should not be able to be the most maneuverable, most economically strong, most supply efficient, and most resource efficient race in the game. It’s kind of absurd and has no real downsides. The game is almost always the Terran’s game to lose, rather than anyone else’s to win.
@@stubbornviking8548“without any downsides” -You need +200 effective APM on top of the mandatory for your league to utilize squad of marines, ghosts, and mines so that you can milk some net positive value out of it (and you BETTER not make even a single mistake there cuz that sole Golden Cow is your only saving grace for the entire game). Zerg can afford to loose 20 bases, 12 armies, and 3000 supply and they still hold the upper hand for most of the game, on the loose a single Terran Base or just 20 Terran units when you need them and the whole game is thrown. -Late Game for Terran quite literally dosen't exist as their units get steamrolled hard in honest 1v1 and outpaced economically without the involvement of Mules, aggression, or traps. SC2 had reached a passive state where all Terran players need to either end the game priror the 20 minute mark, or permanently cripple their opponent for the rest of the game in the first 10 minutes as quite literally every single other scenario results in decisive Terran L. -Terran's whole strategies revolves around slowly draining out your opponent before it has a chance to react: Clem's core Army goes to Serral main base for kite and initiates a Looney Toons chase sequence where in return Serral tries to steamrolls them all the way back to Clem's core base only to progressively loose his entire army along the way due to nasty Widowmine and Liberator/Ghost stings. Clem here puts 10x more effort for this set up than Serral who tries to kite the mines before eventually going “F it, we ball”- Had Clem failed at any step, misplaced a single mine, or mismanaged a single marine Serral would have won on the spot as seen by the severe damage on Clem's core base after each Zerg wave. Pair that wit the fact that it was ultimately Marine drops that took out Serral and, again, without those he would've have won decisively. By all means, remove the only two units that work for Terran, give us extra keyboard and pair of hands (cuz we all know Clem is just your average below midline Joe carried by his faction instead of Pro-Skills like playing for 10 players at once), and make Zerg even more “A Click” slothful instead of ever developing your own micro or effective strategies.
That's was a great game, definitely will be one of the best games of 2025, it will be in the top 10 of 2025. Thank you and Happy New Year. Greetings from NY.
It feels real bad to see 9 medivacs floating above the zerg army feeling completely unthreatened because they have massive 150HP and zerg has no real anti air
@@elbarto9356 For real, Terran Council would rather remove queens than address design issues, they have no idea what they're doing except to buff Terran
@@davehollis5816At least we should have range queens back and remove ability of amule to repair, after all, their units used to increase economy, not repair stuff.
Dude that first match was one of the coolest games I’ve ever seen. The true end game Zerg vs Terran, but it wasn’t where both sides just took their sides of the map. Every single base was contested and hard fought for the entire length of the match
Loading marines instantly and not allowing the medevac to heal while unloading would be perfect nerfs. Being able to micro and win all engagements is kinda OP especially while the micro of the opponent is useless.
Medivac should not be an instant warp to load up an entire bioball. Especially not if unloading is one by one. Would force the constant drop harass to be a little more tacticsl.
I think queens should get an upgrade to make them fly 😊 maybe this upgrade also gives them the yank ability? Replace that other unit, whos name i cant remember.
Concretely, Zerg is harder to play in terms of macro and Terran in micro. If you have a bad micro of your units, you will be an execrable Terran and that is why Clem's god micro makes him so good. Personally, I am unable to watch Clem play on his vision as we did for Serral because it goes so fast in all directions that it makes me sick.
I went to bed 100% confident I'd see a "Game of the year!!" video from you 😂. Was as sure of that as I was of cold weather. Happy New Years everybody! 🎉
A top world pro saying m.u.l.e mining like 10 bases is something to have clear game is unbalanced you can make drones 7 at the time if you have mineral but you can cast mules werever you want 54:16 also terran strat is just put some mines and run build planetaries with 1500 hp and extra armor you dont have broolords or ultra you fc up so sad bro zerg is the weaked race
this game made me miss true snare fungal and infested terran and im a T player. Clem didnt even need tanks or that many libs, or that many widow mines. terran just has so many options all game against zerg
Damn, Winter is really nailing it with the titles. This is certainly a starcraft 2 game of the year, I'll allow it. Happy New year peoples of the internets. May 2025 bring us many more good games for the fans casted by the man who sits between autumn and spring.
@@andrewbailey7045 So make Mutas. Oh wait lmao you losers over-build them and then get them killed trying to A move into Marine balls. Because 85 IQ is the top end of the Zerg players distribution. Actual tactics are beyond you.
Sure; just make ling bane unviable as a full army, then buff hydras dmg to air, or even give them anti air range, or even messing with queen anti air. Can't have both an opressive ground army and strong anti air...
@BingChilingEnjoyer You mean like mmm comp? Nah, getting everything is a Terran perk. I'd be cool with a nerf to adrenal glands and maybe something else in exchange. Can't nerf banes, zerg has no other splash damage except fungal (I think, I don't play zerg). Definitely don't want Z overtuned, would just like them to have more viable options.
I love seeing people whine about Zerg sitting on ling bane as a viable army saying it’s the only race that can sit on low tier units all game…… as if Clem doesn’t sit on marine marauder and rely on tier one tech for 90% of his most potent damage 😂😂😂
It reminds me of the time before the widow mine nerfs. Clem was also unstoppable, but that was also because of how unbalanced terran was. I feel here it's the same, medivacs are just way too powerful, at least the boost should be removed or added as a tier 3 upgrade
That pre-mine nerf period of time at the beginning of HotS was the stupidest period for SC2 balance by far. All T players did is expand once and parade mines and marines across the map and would win the cost effectiveness war every time. That's also when SC2 took the most massive playerbase hit, especially on ladder. I wonder why.
@@dubnubgtd8538 I genuinely think if medivacs could only pick up one unit at a time with a fast timer (think loading into a Nydus) then ZvT would be a whooooole lot less stupid. Imagine having to risk something to deal damage. Could never be current day Terran.
@@davehollis5816Or their heal range shortened or lose the speed boost entirely. Too much utility and being safe is very unhealthy, since the counter to it back then was mass infested Terrans lol.
How do you become top player in anything? You want to win, no matter who you are up against. And if you lose, you will feel disappointed, you WANTED to win.
Balance team forgot 2 bugs on cyclone. The armor weapon upgrade. It is +2 per level and not +1 in 5.0.11 patch. But I just saw that another bug is still there : the cost : it should be 150 minerals and 100 gas, not 125 gas as it is actually. These are nerfs that wasn’t planned. Please fix it. Thanks
Dude the amount of skill serrall must have to deal with multiple attacks from a race that is clearly overpowered is unbeievable. Like seriously i know clem is a good player but marines,marauders and medivacs are way too damn good in this game.
For context, I don't think I've ever played a game of SC2, but I appreciate the content.
Is this for real?
That's kinda insane
People, most people pay good money for entertainment. I respect anyone who invests in artists directly.
This is my favorite macro build, thank you!
@@WinterStarcraft Can confirm they make my day just a little bit better.
Since it's the first video of the new year, it is technically the game of the year
I've never agreed with something more in my life.
Technically correct. Which is the best kind of correct
I caught that as well
"Of all the games I've seen, this is certainly.... the first." - Winter, probably
Hahahaha I at first thought this was the "best match of 2024" but instantly remembered Winter's clever and dry sense of humor and excellent wit. Allow it! :D
And using the same click bait
5:36 "Let me see those toes, queens. Find more related content on my dronly fans" 🤣
These puns make my day.
Watching that replay felt like Serral was playing against 2 pro terran players. Clem is insane.
first
Goddam.
Cheater Q_Q
First
lol
😅😂🤣
It's great to see such an established gamer, to still be able, to be a fanboy of the best player. Made my day a little better
With Clem and Serral we are witnessing for me the BEST era of Starcraft 2. Thanks to both of them
I only just realized Serrals card photo has a transparent background. He truly is the final boss of even the card art.
I love your casting you put real effort into trying to actually entertain your viewers and its wonderful. Thank you happy new years
As if playing as Zerg was multitasking enough, Serral had to stream with commentary as well.
Much respect to him.
I really liked the double commentary here. Hopefully you get some more of those to show!
Last time I was this early Clem hadn't claimed world champ
Dark already has his 2025 power rankings out.
100% agree. Theres no sport in watching professional rock paper scissors where 1 play cant throw rock.
Excellent video and sharing to Serral streaming and for the translation!
Happy New Year Winter, and Winterers!!! Give Jimmy his Holiday bonus!!
the part that i found crazy was that both Winter and apparently Serral himself thought Serral was ahead at a certain point in the game. based on, you know, the last 20 or so official games between the two, if Clem has either 4 bases or 8 ghosts Serral is basically dead.
The surprise is Jimmy enters view and wishes everyone a happy new year.
Make medivacs vulnerable again!
I dislike mules. They mean that Zerg needs both more workers and a bigger army.
Yep. Terran should not be able to be the most maneuverable, most economically strong, most supply efficient, and most resource efficient race in the game. It’s kind of absurd and has no real downsides. The game is almost always the Terran’s game to lose, rather than anyone else’s to win.
@@stubbornviking8548I feel like if it wasn’t for Serral, Terran would have no mules. Serral got Zerg nerfed and made Zerg life hard for us peasants.
@@stubbornviking8548“without any downsides”
-You need +200 effective APM on top of the mandatory for your league to utilize squad of marines, ghosts, and mines so that you can milk some net positive value out of it (and you BETTER not make even a single mistake there cuz that sole Golden Cow is your only saving grace for the entire game).
Zerg can afford to loose 20 bases, 12 armies, and 3000 supply and they still hold the upper hand for most of the game, on the loose a single Terran Base or just 20 Terran units when you need them and the whole game is thrown.
-Late Game for Terran quite literally dosen't exist as their units get steamrolled hard in honest 1v1 and outpaced economically without the involvement of Mules, aggression, or traps. SC2 had reached a passive state where all Terran players need to either end the game priror the 20 minute mark, or permanently cripple their opponent for the rest of the game in the first 10 minutes as quite literally every single other scenario results in decisive Terran L.
-Terran's whole strategies revolves around slowly draining out your opponent before it has a chance to react: Clem's core Army goes to Serral main base for kite and initiates a Looney Toons chase sequence where in return Serral tries to steamrolls them all the way back to Clem's core base only to progressively loose his entire army along the way due to nasty Widowmine and Liberator/Ghost stings. Clem here puts 10x more effort for this set up than Serral who tries to kite the mines before eventually going “F it, we ball”- Had Clem failed at any step, misplaced a single mine, or mismanaged a single marine Serral would have won on the spot as seen by the severe damage on Clem's core base after each Zerg wave. Pair that wit the fact that it was ultimately Marine drops that took out Serral and, again, without those he would've have won decisively.
By all means, remove the only two units that work for Terran, give us extra keyboard and pair of hands (cuz we all know Clem is just your average below midline Joe carried by his faction instead of Pro-Skills like playing for 10 players at once), and make Zerg even more “A Click” slothful instead of ever developing your own micro or effective strategies.
I dislike ling bane. They mean the opponent needs both better micro and better macro.
Classic winter StarCraft casting truly could not ask for more
That's was a great game, definitely will be one of the best games of 2025, it will be in the top 10 of 2025. Thank you and Happy New Year. Greetings from NY.
Widow mines should really only get 1 shot then die given the cost and damage output of the unit.
Declaring a game of the year on the first day of the year is a certified power move.
You are the man, Winter.
It feels real bad to see 9 medivacs floating above the zerg army feeling completely unthreatened because they have massive 150HP and zerg has no real anti air
Don't say that until you wanna see queens being removed.
@@elbarto9356 For real, Terran Council would rather remove queens than address design issues, they have no idea what they're doing except to buff Terran
@@davehollis5816At least we should have range queens back and remove ability of amule to repair, after all, their units used to increase economy, not repair stuff.
Dude that first match was one of the coolest games I’ve ever seen. The true end game Zerg vs Terran, but it wasn’t where both sides just took their sides of the map. Every single base was contested and hard fought for the entire length of the match
"Dronelyfans" ahahahahaha the best, yes my day got just that much better you're awesome man!
Winter made so many jokes about people never remembering the name of the Hydralisk ability that he became the only one who actually could remember it.
Loading marines instantly and not allowing the medevac to heal while unloading would be perfect nerfs. Being able to micro and win all engagements is kinda OP especially while the micro of the opponent is useless.
On Clem's protoss games, i notice he loves sniping off the medivacs. I wonder if thats a vulnerability Serrel can exploit?
This was a great back and forth showing class among the titans of sc2. You know when its back and forth its a good match up
Medivac should not be an instant warp to load up an entire bioball. Especially not if unloading is one by one. Would force the constant drop harass to be a little more tacticsl.
I think queens should get an upgrade to make them fly 😊 maybe this upgrade also gives them the yank ability? Replace that other unit, whos name i cant remember.
Listen to his fingers on the keys and how fast everything changes on the screen. :)
I wish I could watch both player screen side by side and see which race is more taxing to play then the other.
Generally, zerg, but clem micros like a madman, so probably close in this instance.
Concretely, Zerg is harder to play in terms of macro and Terran in micro. If you have a bad micro of your units, you will be an execrable Terran and that is why Clem's god micro makes him so good. Personally, I am unable to watch Clem play on his vision as we did for Serral because it goes so fast in all directions that it makes me sick.
“My Dronly Fans”… lol, I love some of these jokes that don’t land on everyone, but I love and get and of course eye roll every one! 😂
the combo queen commentary between you and serral was A+
“You’re going to creep people out” “THAT’S MY JOB!!!” Priceless.
I went to bed 100% confident I'd see a "Game of the year!!" video from you 😂. Was as sure of that as I was of cold weather.
Happy New Years everybody! 🎉
3:42 the sudden cut off after a "Noo-!!"
will never not be funny 🤣
Oh my god what a first game dude, i think it has born the new serral's kryptonite
Amazing video, thank you Winter! :D
Lets just call the hydra speed ability Hydrush.
here is one of the 2025 likes. you´ve earned it!
happy new year to you
A top world pro saying m.u.l.e mining like 10 bases is something to have clear game is unbalanced you can make drones 7 at the time if you have mineral but you can cast mules werever you want 54:16 also terran strat is just put some mines and run build planetaries with 1500 hp and extra armor you dont have broolords or ultra you fc up so sad bro zerg is the weaked race
The decisive play clem do to won, run backward to mines so great strategy game is this 52:35
this game made me miss true snare fungal and infested terran and im a T player. Clem didnt even need tanks or that many libs, or that many widow mines. terran just has so many options all game against zerg
Damn, Winter is really nailing it with the titles. This is certainly a starcraft 2 game of the year, I'll allow it. Happy New year peoples of the internets. May 2025 bring us many more good games for the fans casted by the man who sits between autumn and spring.
I haven't played sc2 multiplayer in like 10 years but i still love watching it
A great deal of balance could be achieved just by giving zerg actual antiair.
@@andrewbailey7045 So make Mutas.
Oh wait lmao you losers over-build them and then get them killed trying to A move into Marine balls.
Because 85 IQ is the top end of the Zerg players distribution. Actual tactics are beyond you.
Sure; just make ling bane unviable as a full army, then buff hydras dmg to air, or even give them anti air range, or even messing with queen anti air. Can't have both an opressive ground army and strong anti air...
@BingChilingEnjoyer You mean like mmm comp? Nah, getting everything is a Terran perk.
I'd be cool with a nerf to adrenal glands and maybe something else in exchange. Can't nerf banes, zerg has no other splash damage except fungal (I think, I don't play zerg). Definitely don't want Z overtuned, would just like them to have more viable options.
I love seeing people whine about Zerg sitting on ling bane as a viable army saying it’s the only race that can sit on low tier units all game…… as if Clem doesn’t sit on marine marauder and rely on tier one tech for 90% of his most potent damage 😂😂😂
@@Therunner77452 then don't complain about balance lol
Toss has Blink stalkers, Terran has MMM, you have Ling Bane.
Stop crying and git gud.
Champions comes in pairs of 2, because they Will battle each other into perfection.
It reminds me of the time before the widow mine nerfs. Clem was also unstoppable, but that was also because of how unbalanced terran was. I feel here it's the same, medivacs are just way too powerful, at least the boost should be removed or added as a tier 3 upgrade
Hmm... what if we nerfed anti-air for zerg?
@@HrHaakonWhat anti-air?
@@reishiki8682
That's the spirit!
That pre-mine nerf period of time at the beginning of HotS was the stupidest period for SC2 balance by far. All T players did is expand once and parade mines and marines across the map and would win the cost effectiveness war every time.
That's also when SC2 took the most massive playerbase hit, especially on ladder. I wonder why.
@@xIcarus227
I mean, Zerg answered by just spamming swarmhosts as well, so.... it was a very *special* time
I would like to know Serral's thoughts on the Hydra after the update.
Hello there Winter StarCraft and all friends from the channel! 👽🛸
I always enjoy your content a lot thanks so much!
I liked the video, starship troopers “I’m doing my part!”
Nanomascular Swoll
That's how my ex used to call me.
Creep Out! is the name of my Queens of the Stone Age cover band. We're the only band in the United states whose lyrics are entirely in Zerg.
We finally made it over 2000 likes?! Congrats!
"as serral PLUMMETS to rank #1 GM" LOL
I liked and even subscribed. Making sure to start the new year right.
Zerg Buff when
Never!
Benny Hill theme song never catching a terran unit is the name of the game
after Protoss buff !!
No banelings are still too strong they should have 1 hp and only do friendly fire damage
Lol
Stop crying
Clem is the new Boss
I'm shocked you haven't used Hydra Glide. At least I haven't heard it used. Maybe ladder playing SC2 enjoyers prefer sandpaper but 🤷🏼
7:22 Theres nobody better in the world than Clem at doing this! Count all 6 of them!
35:30 Yep Serral enjoyed it.
Damn ghost too op still
38:06 less than 2 seconds to inject 3x, meanwhile it takes me 2 seconds to remember “oh yeah, injects are good”. I didn’t even see it the first time
so crazy how fast these guys think and do
Heavyweight slugfest, I love these vids
Im going to make a channel where i put my commentary on top of winters commentary on top of serrals commentary
What would I want to see to start 2025? Probably Jimmy
Did I just watch them fight for 20 minutes straight?
Is there a link to the Serral PoV VOD anywhere? I loved the casting but I'd rather have Serral's PoV without extra commentary.
Maybe if you paid attention to what Winter is saying you would not need to ask.
Serral's voice is way too quiet you can barely hear him unless massively increasing the volume which than makes your own voice way too loud.
You can follow just how hard he is trying to change the end because his commentary stops for minutes as he tries to salvage and turn it around
day 1 and already the game of the year let’s gooooooo jimmmy
I cant find the DronelyFans after subbing, WHERE IS IT
I think medivacs will get nerfed, unless they buff counter air for zerg.
We can only hope
@ it really is the same, medivac drop, pick up, speed out. That’s not skill. That’s boring.
lol, that will never happen.
@@dubnubgtd8538 I genuinely think if medivacs could only pick up one unit at a time with a fast timer (think loading into a Nydus) then ZvT would be a whooooole lot less stupid.
Imagine having to risk something to deal damage. Could never be current day Terran.
@@davehollis5816Or their heal range shortened or lose the speed boost entirely. Too much utility and being safe is very unhealthy, since the counter to it back then was mass infested Terrans lol.
It would have been cool if we could have gotten Clem commentary on the same game.
Geeez, almost to a quarter mil subscribers!
Also, obtained off ‘deadgame’.
Happy new year!
i guess he just doesn't like the style of rogue's mass overseer tactics
How do you become top player in anything? You want to win, no matter who you are up against. And if you lose, you will feel disappointed, you WANTED to win.
Happy new year! ^^
Balance team forgot 2 bugs on cyclone. The armor weapon upgrade. It is +2 per level and not +1 in 5.0.11 patch. But I just saw that another bug is still there : the cost : it should be 150 minerals and 100 gas, not 125 gas as it is actually. These are nerfs that wasn’t planned. Please fix it. Thanks
Happy New Year Winter
I love how you have to put Clem (Terran) and Serral (Zerg) to make sure this is not some Clem's protoss or Basilisk big brain bout matches.
I think it is so people can search his channel for Terran vs Zerg or maybe to help new people find his casts by searching the same thing.
Dude the amount of skill serrall must have to deal with multiple attacks from a race that is clearly overpowered is unbeievable. Like seriously i know clem is a good player but marines,marauders and medivacs are way too damn good in this game.
Very clever, Thanks for another banger. Really enjoy these.
Hoping 2025 has something new and intersting for the starcraft franchise. Hell id take even a new co op commander or dlc mission pack like with Nova.
happy new year guys lets have fun 2025
Is there any way you can do that with Clem and see his side of the game??👍👍👍👍
It was actually 2-2 between Serral and Clem the whole stream so not too bad
Whoa 2025 likes needed to cast another game? Queens and casts hit hard by inflation.
Love that Zerg can’t build any t3 unit because ghost makes them irrelevant
happy new year winter, 1 more view everyday, the slightly yet firmly incease ;)
Incredible, Thank you for such good game with the 2 best SC2 players of all time.
Watching Clem is special.
Thank You
Om nom nom
great cast!
Happy New Year!