I have several St. Andrews. Mostly around 1958 ish. They are in my opinion the best Missals. I have a couple of St. Joseph’s Missals around 1962 ish and St. Andrew’s still is superior to me.
@@duke927wow, you have a few! It’s not easy to find these old ones and they are expensive, I got lucky. I love all the detailed explanations in it. Not in the newer published missals.
@ I look for them. The Daughter’s of Mary Press also has a reprint of a St. Andrew’s Missals and a reprint Father Lachance Missal. But I do look for them in old book stores etc.
You've enlightened a Catholic church mural painter before starting a project for an TLM parish, Rene De Cramer is high standard but well worth the investigation. Thank you AMDG
I’m 77 years old. As a child my prayer book had Latin translation in the American translation and it and I was able to follow it beautifully. I don’t know where that is anymore. I’d like another one.
It is difficult to beat the beautiful woodcuts, profound commentary on each Feast day, and the inclusion of both Vespers and Compline in the St. Andrew's Missal. My specific copy was well used by a Nun and was even gifted to her by a Titular Bishop in the early 40's. Salve Maria.
The Angelus is the best 1962 in my opinion and is overall a good devotional prayer book. It's a good one stop book. I find many of the other missals don't have as much material for devotional prayers before and after mass and I find I need to bring another book. I enjoy the St Andrew as my pre 55 reference, moreso than Fr Lassance
I agree, Marcus. I would have liked a little less page flipping but if that were so it'd be St. Andrew / Fr Lassance (current) sized. All in all, a good missal. I think Lefebvre was wise enough to stick with it and if it's good enough for Lefebvre, it's good enough for me!
@@spykezspykez7001 If you have a 1962 missal you can see that it does not contain the people's Confiteor. It also had the Canon, which means fixed, altered, which is the past was roundly rejected.
I suppose we have to discern whom to follow. I will (I have) cast my lot with the Society. What is your story? Home alone? SSPV? Conciliar church? Sinodal church?
I’ve been trying to find a St. Andrew’s for the pre-‘55 calendar and Holy Week (for when my parish occasionally gets permission), the explanations, AND the kyriale, which the St. Andrew has but the Fr. Lasance does not. Otherwise, for the ‘62, I love the Angelus Press.
Try Daughters of Mary Press. They have a 1954 edition reprint. There is also a 1945 reprint available elsewhere. The 54 edition is slimmer - less pages, probably because most of the proper (such as the readings/Gospel) are not in Latin. It opens flat too. However, I'd be interested to know what else is different to the 1945 edition.
What confiteor removed? I mean, there's the usual foot of the altar by two, then again before communion just after the Agnus Dei? Is there another confiteor? What alteration are you taking about in the Canon? Honest questions. '62 person here
@ There used to be a second confiteor right before the people’s “Domine non sum dignus.” Some places have received permission to add it back in. My FSSP parish does it.
Very informative and interesting. I found at eBay for just a few bucks a pretty worn copy of a pocket "I Pray the Mass Sund ay Missal," arranged by Rev. Hugo Hoever. It appears to be a proto-St. Joseph Missal. There were a lot of them on eBay and most were under ten bucks. More for historical interest but also to secure in print the pre-55 Holy Week. I learned a lot watching this. Always wondered what the Maryknolls were about. Surprised to hear a conservative speak highly of Dorothy Day, darling of the progressives and liberation theology sects of our faith. Enjoy a merry and blessed Christmas!
I have the Bonaventure Press reprint of the S Andrews Missal. It's very good. Would love to see a reprint that integrates the propers in the appendix into the main text, and replaces the modern notation with chant notation in the Kyriale. Also had the Angelus Press Missal, but lost it in a house fire. It was very good as well.
I like the Angelus Press best. I have used mine for 5 years for Sunday and Daily mass at my FSSP parish. There are some drawbacks though if you get the imitation leather version after some time of use it will deteriorate and the cover will rub off on your clothing which is not good. Also the gilding will fall off immediately if there is any water whatsoever that comes into contact with it. So if it is raining out I would suggest not getting it wet.
Great video! Angelus ‘62 Missal is physically durable and solidly arranged; the F150 truck of traditional missals. It can be a little lacking in ‘creature comforts.’ Type is fairly small, and there’s some bleed through from the other side of the page. There are a number of internal cross-references, so occasionally a daily Mass will require you to flip to three different page numbers to find all the correct propers. But that’s fairly uncommon.
I have my original 1953 St. Joseph Daily Missal and, YES, it has the English translation. People always knew how to follow the Mass! Laudater Iesus Christus! Edit here, my Missal has woodcut images!
Yes, many of those woodcuts remind me of some of the art used in the Baltimore catechism. There are some nice older St. Joseph Missals if you can find a suitable copy, I'm glad you kept yours! Thanks for watching. -Murray
Tks!, Murray, I ordered the Saint Andrew's Missal some 5 months ago from the Sophia Institute Press. Yes, it is on backorder. Wish St. Bonaventure Press would also include the Latin texts for the Secret, Epistle reading, & Gospel reading in all the Propers. That would make this missal THICKER (& SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSIVE), but it would also make this missal more COMPLETE. 🙂
Wish I had seen this sooner. I opted for the St Paul Daily but afterwards ordered The Roman Daily Missal (my favorite). Why did you not include these two?
Which missals contain both the pre55 Holy Week and the post55 Holy Week? And do they contain all pre55 feasts plus the post55 ones that Pope Pius xii introduced? Is there a separate missal specifically for Holy Week? Pre55 or post55 or both?
The best one for all of the needs you described here is the St. Edmund Campion Missal (3rd edition) that we cover at 10:38. If you are attending mass primarily on Sundays and major feasts, want both Holy Weeks and a bunch of beautiful material, it's the best one. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Murray
In France, they publish a 1962 edited version of the St Andrew's missal which is actually quite nice. I enjoy having the feasts in their proper place (as least based on most places where one may assist at mass as there are few places which are entirely pre55 outside of sede circles) while still having the commentary of Dom Lefebvre
The prayers at the back of Fr. Lasance missal are remarkable. Read St. Ambrose daily prayers for Monday (page 1806). Read the description of St. Aloysius Gonzaga (page 1702). Read the prayer for the 10th and 11 stations of the cross (page 1832).
The additional prayers and the occasional Benzinger Brothers illustrations are certainly great additions! I don't think they make up for the size, and lack of Vespers. Thanks for watching -Murray
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - 04:45 Intro and History
04:45 - 06:08 The Saint Andrew's Missal
06:08 - 08:12 The Father Lasance
08:12 - 10:18 The Angelus Press and Baronius Press
10:18 - 10:38 Best Overall and Holy Week
10:38 - 11:41 The Saint Edmund Campion
11:41 - 12:10 Obscure Missal Overview
12:10 - 13:48 The Bishop Sheen Sunday Missal
13:48 - 15:01 The Father Stedman's Missal(s)
15:01 - 18:01 The Maryknoll Missal
18:01 - 19:28 The New Marian Missal
19:28 - 21:10 The St. Joseph Missal
21:10 - 22:48 Conclusion
How interesting! I have a 1958 St Andrew’s Missal that my boss willed to me when she passed. I absolutely love it!
I have several St. Andrews. Mostly around 1958 ish. They are in my opinion the best Missals. I have a couple of St. Joseph’s Missals around 1962 ish and St. Andrew’s still is superior to me.
@@duke927wow, you have a few! It’s not easy to find these old ones and they are expensive, I got lucky. I love all the detailed explanations in it. Not in the newer published missals.
@ I look for them. The Daughter’s of Mary Press also has a reprint of a St. Andrew’s Missals and a reprint Father Lachance Missal. But I do look for them in old book stores etc.
That was very informative. Thank you Murray!
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This is an excellent, informative post! Thank you for this, and for all the work you do.
The old Fr. Lasance missals were great. They had all of the Latin and English, with both in the same size print.
I have my mother's 1959 St. Joseph. It suffices and it is nice to hold the missal of the woman who gave me the faith.
You've enlightened a Catholic church mural painter before starting a project for an TLM parish, Rene De Cramer is high standard but well worth the investigation. Thank you AMDG
22:09
..a missal is a good way to catch a glimmer of the whole shine…perfect🎉!
I loved the message on 17:32.
Some people see the 65 as a good compromise between the TLM and the NOM, but in reality it is the worst of both worlds.
I’m 77 years old. As a child my prayer book had Latin translation in the American translation and it and I was able to follow it beautifully. I don’t know where that is anymore. I’d like another one.
It is difficult to beat the beautiful woodcuts, profound commentary on each Feast day, and the inclusion of both Vespers and Compline in the St. Andrew's Missal. My specific copy was well used by a Nun and was even gifted to her by a Titular Bishop in the early 40's. Salve Maria.
The Angelus is the best 1962 in my opinion and is overall a good devotional prayer book. It's a good one stop book. I find many of the other missals don't have as much material for devotional prayers before and after mass and I find I need to bring another book.
I enjoy the St Andrew as my pre 55 reference, moreso than Fr Lassance
The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
I agree, Marcus.
I would have liked a little less page flipping but if that were so it'd be St. Andrew / Fr Lassance (current) sized.
All in all, a good missal. I think Lefebvre was wise enough to stick with it and if it's good enough for Lefebvre, it's good enough for me!
@@spykezspykez7001 If you have a 1962 missal you can see that it does not contain the people's Confiteor. It also had the Canon, which means fixed, altered, which is the past was roundly rejected.
I suppose we have to discern whom to follow.
I will (I have) cast my lot with the Society.
What is your story? Home alone? SSPV? Conciliar church? Sinodal church?
@@spykezspykez7001 Catholic.
Great content. Thank you and God bless.
I’ve been trying to find a St. Andrew’s for the pre-‘55 calendar and Holy Week (for when my parish occasionally gets permission), the explanations, AND the kyriale, which the St. Andrew has but the Fr. Lasance does not.
Otherwise, for the ‘62, I love the Angelus Press.
Try Daughters of Mary Press. They have a 1954 edition reprint. There is also a 1945 reprint available elsewhere. The 54 edition is slimmer - less pages, probably because most of the proper (such as the readings/Gospel) are not in Latin. It opens flat too. However, I'd be interested to know what else is different to the 1945 edition.
The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
@@littlerock5256 how was the Canon altered in the 62 missal?
What confiteor removed?
I mean, there's the usual foot of the altar by two, then again before communion just after the Agnus Dei?
Is there another confiteor?
What alteration are you taking about in the Canon?
Honest questions. '62 person here
@ There used to be a second confiteor right before the people’s “Domine non sum dignus.” Some places have received permission to add it back in. My FSSP parish does it.
i wish i could afford one of these missals. they are really expensive when new here. something like 50-60£ or whatever it is in $/€
Very informative and interesting. I found at eBay for just a few bucks a pretty worn copy of a pocket "I Pray the Mass Sund ay Missal," arranged by Rev. Hugo Hoever. It appears to be a proto-St. Joseph Missal. There were a lot of them on eBay and most were under ten bucks. More for historical interest but also to secure in print the pre-55 Holy Week. I learned a lot watching this. Always wondered what the Maryknolls were about. Surprised to hear a conservative speak highly of Dorothy Day, darling of the progressives and liberation theology sects of our faith. Enjoy a merry and blessed Christmas!
I have the Bonaventure Press reprint of the S Andrews Missal. It's very good. Would love to see a reprint that integrates the propers in the appendix into the main text, and replaces the modern notation with chant notation in the Kyriale.
Also had the Angelus Press Missal, but lost it in a house fire. It was very good as well.
I like the Angelus Press best. I have used mine for 5 years for Sunday and Daily mass at my FSSP parish. There are some drawbacks though if you get the imitation leather version after some time of use it will deteriorate and the cover will rub off on your clothing which is not good. Also the gilding will fall off immediately if there is any water whatsoever that comes into contact with it. So if it is raining out I would suggest not getting it wet.
The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
Good work.
Great video!
Angelus ‘62 Missal is physically durable and solidly arranged; the F150 truck of traditional missals.
It can be a little lacking in ‘creature comforts.’ Type is fairly small, and there’s some bleed through from the other side of the page. There are a number of internal cross-references, so occasionally a daily Mass will require you to flip to three different page numbers to find all the correct propers. But that’s fairly uncommon.
The print is also much more readable than the Fr. Lassance one, in my opinion but there can be more page turning.
The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
Thank you!
19:46 what's the Confraternity all about? How did that translation come about and why?
I have my original 1953 St. Joseph Daily Missal and, YES, it has the English translation. People always knew how to follow the Mass! Laudater Iesus Christus!
Edit here, my Missal has woodcut images!
Yes, many of those woodcuts remind me of some of the art used in the Baltimore catechism. There are some nice older St. Joseph Missals if you can find a suitable copy, I'm glad you kept yours!
Thanks for watching.
-Murray
Tks!, Murray, I ordered the Saint Andrew's Missal some 5 months ago from the Sophia Institute Press. Yes, it is on backorder. Wish St. Bonaventure Press would also include the Latin texts for the Secret, Epistle reading, & Gospel reading in all the Propers. That would make this missal THICKER (& SLIGHTLY MORE EXPENSIVE), but it would also make this missal more COMPLETE. 🙂
10:23 is that a separate missal for Holy Week? Is it the pre55 version or both pre55 and post 55?
Good. Thanks.
Wish I had seen this sooner. I opted for the St Paul Daily but afterwards ordered The Roman Daily Missal (my favorite). Why did you not include these two?
Good luck trying to find a new st Andrews missal now
very informative impressive
The St. Pius X Daily Missal School Edition is very good.
The pre 55 Missal will be the only one used during the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart!
Which missals contain both the pre55 Holy Week and the post55 Holy Week? And do they contain all pre55 feasts plus the post55 ones that Pope Pius xii introduced? Is there a separate missal specifically for Holy Week? Pre55 or post55 or both?
The best one for all of the needs you described here is the St. Edmund Campion Missal (3rd edition) that we cover at 10:38. If you are attending mass primarily on Sundays and major feasts, want both Holy Weeks and a bunch of beautiful material, it's the best one.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
-Murray
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In France, they publish a 1962 edited version of the St Andrew's missal which is actually quite nice. I enjoy having the feasts in their proper place (as least based on most places where one may assist at mass as there are few places which are entirely pre55 outside of sede circles) while still having the commentary of Dom Lefebvre
The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
Pre-1955 Missals are the best in my humble opinion.
THE ROMAN MISSAL (1962) BARONIUS PRESS ❤ BEAUTIFUL BOOK!!👑 JESUS CHRIST SAVES!!
The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
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The prayers at the back of Fr. Lasance missal are remarkable. Read St. Ambrose daily prayers for Monday (page 1806). Read the description of St. Aloysius Gonzaga (page 1702). Read the prayer for the 10th and 11 stations of the cross (page 1832).
The additional prayers and the occasional Benzinger Brothers illustrations are certainly great additions! I don't think they make up for the size, and lack of Vespers. Thanks for watching
-Murray
@ my goodness. The Fr. Lasance missal is a masterpiece. Have you noticed that novus ordo mass has more Bible than the traditional Latin mass ?!
@@CFN_Officialbut Wouldn't a separate Vespers book be recommended for some of us that don't have that offered by our parishes?
Fr F X Lasance’s is by far the best, in my opinion. ora pro nobis Father
Why? Please describe specifically how it is more beneficial than St. Andrew and the sspx 62 missal.
@@seppe1701 The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
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Fr. Lasance missal is the best.
Why? And how is it better than the St. Andrew Missal?
1962 rubrics of he mass do not have the Confiteor before communion, yet Society priests say it ignoring the rubrics, because?
Lefebvre did what he wanted and cobbled things together. Some call it the Mass of Econe.
I honestly never noticed this till today.
Hands down, St. Andrew Missal, 1940 something…
AAAAAAAAAHHHH AAAAAAAHHH AAAAAAAHHHHH
You picked the St. Andrew’s pre-55 missal over Lefebvre’s 62 missal? You shcismatic!!!!
The 1962 was a transitional Missal, used for 2.5 years, and had the Canon altered and the people's Confiteor removed.
I didn't know all this ♥️🌹🪻 Thanknyou