congratulations to this comment section for being the worst of anything ive ever made. some of the comments are so poorly written that i can't even tell who you're trying to be racist to, but I am impressed at how many of you decided to take the time to profess your hatred towards the Slavs specifically for some reason, i was not expecting that one. i am trying to only remove the absolute most Hitler comments, but you all are testing me rn. The Balkans and its people are the ultimate proof that there is no God to save us.
@@nissingramainyu Welcome to the Balkans. We all hate each other and focus too much about history and who did what instead of building a future. I hope my comments defending my nation didn't cause you problems.
'Welcome to the Balkans' - exactly what a German officer told one of his junior officers who was throwing up after a Croatian Ustasha slit a Serbian throat or 2 in the movie 'Dara from Jasenovac.' In the Balkans, the worst enemies are always the ones from within. I believe it was Will Durant who observed that 'Great civilizations are not conquered from without until they have destroyed themselves from within.' Nowhere is this truer than in the Balkans: most Balkaners forever dream of some powerful outside nation or state to come & 'liberate' them from whatever 'yoke' they're under rather than looking to & relying on each other for any kind of real peace & prosperity. That's why those who are informed know what's being said when someone declares that ' There aren't any new wars in the Balkans - only unfinished ones.'
Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo are unstable. Due to the large Albanian ethnic minority (20%) North(Slav)Macedonia might also become unstable. The rest is safe. Especially Greece which is an E.U. country. And Bulgaria too I hope.
As an albanian i'm backing greece we may not get along often but its better then allowing these non native to come in and destabilise the entire region again
A jewish state in Macedonia would be a disaster. Jews would not have been protected by the greek church and the nazis would capture them in no time. Bulgarian and albanian pro-nazi gangs would also capture anybody who tried to escape, as they did in bulgarian-occupied part of Macedonia in 1941-3.
@@Dac_DT_MKD To have sth stolen from someone, means that someone need to have owned it int he first place. Vardaskans 🇲🇰 never owned any territory in Macedonia, since they have come in the 6th century AD and ever since and until 1991 they were subjected to foreign rule by Byzantines, Ottomans, Bulgarians and Serbs. They never had any statehood or independence.
I feel like the most realistic possibility is a region in eastern Russia, since Stalin had the idea of making a Jewish state there (I believe it still has a Jewish name), but then regretted it and kicked out many Jews. Or maybe Madagascar?
the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was a catastrophic failure, and is evidence to me that just trying to make a jewish state in any random place would have never worked. Macedonia is already an omega stretch and there was already a huge jewish community there, realistically Palestine was always the only option even though people have been proposing alternatives through the entire 19th-20th centuries.
Next time make video for that who really wanted to separate real Macedonia why and what was thair goal who benefits quo vadis or ???? I want to know really who messed up and makes carpet bombing over Aegean EGEJ PARTH OF MACEDONIA BELO MORE ?
@@nissingramainyuI'm MACEDONIAN FROM PELAGONIA AERIA MY DESCENDANTS WHERE FROM THERE AND ARE STILL THERE WERE PROTO CIVILIZATION GREECE TOOK INDEPENDENCE AFTER GREEK TURKISH WAR WITH HELP 9F KING OTTO FROM BAVARIA LATHER WAS RAPLACED WITH OTHER KING SO PLEASE DONT MESS UP MACEDONIA MEANING MOTHER OR MA MOTHER KE DONOS IS CLOSE TO US OR (MOTHER IS OUR HOME ) МА КЕ ДОМИ(н) ЈА
Well, Palestine was the choice for a reason; because western powers especially UK, France, US wanted it. And this will serve the goals of western interests and hegemony over the middle east !
you couldnt be more wrong. the US didnt care, the UK wanted to get out, and france didnt want to deal with it. Everyone wanted a jewish state to protect the jewish people so they wouldnt be genocided again, the jews immigrated there legally, bought the land legally, and declared independence from britain, and the arabs tried to genocide them again. Palestinians are the problem.
celestialsatheist1535 Hhhhh very funny.. do you think Britain cared about juice and their imaginary land!! It cared only about the colonization of the Middle East.. the hate between juice and Christians was since Jesus and never ended
@@nissingramainyu If you read a bit about Balkan history you will realize that basically all countries have claims in eachothers territories. All countries have fought each other for hundreds of years, also committed multiple atrocities against each other . And all countries regard the others ethnically inferior. To top it all, you have Albanian, Greek, Slavic, Romance and Turkish languages with their respective cultures. Of course they are going to fight. And the cherry on top, you get North Macedonia, who are ethnically Slavic Bulgarians but in their mind they deny Bulgarians are Slavs and claim Greek History. Imagine putting a bunch of juice there.
@svetlioganev19 Macedonians are Greeks for 4000 years now Bulgarians came 1100 years after Alexander the Great Macedonians spoke Hellenic you speak Bulgarski, you came from Tatarstan.
@johannesioannistsirigotis7142 Yes Macedonians are Greek and Bulgarian. Just because we came later here in the Balkans from Stara Velika Bulgaria (Old Great Bulgaria) doesn't mean there aren't Bulgarians there. Also stop telling false information about our people. Khan Kubrat had 3 sons who'd save our people from the Khazars. The oldest son Bayan stayed in Old Great Bulgaria (it's where modern day Ukraine is and a part of southwest of Russia) but it was defeated by the Khazars. The middle child Kotrag made Volshka(Volga) Bulgaria to avoid the Khazars and it managed to exist till the 13th century (it's where modern European Russia is and the most western parts of Asian Russia/that's also where the oblast called Tatarstan is). The youngest brother Asparuh founded Dunavska(Danube) Bulgaria which is the Bulgaria who exists still today.
Ok after actually watching the video and not just laughing at the fact someone decided to make this. This video is really goooooooooooood! Like the Maps are so pretty and well made! Even the script is fairly fun despite the wacky premise. Good job Nissin! Keep making silly Alt history videos.
@@KougarManx468 Macedonia is a Paeonian land and has nothing to do with the Ancuent Extinct greeks that historical fact is written by many ancient historians: ''Liv. 40 3 Marcius had increased the senate’s apprehensions about Philip. He admitted that Philip had carried out the measures insisted upon by the senate, but in such a way that he would obviously continue to do so no longer than he was compelled. [2] There was little doubt that he would recommence war, and all his words and actions pointed in that direction. [3] He transferred almost the entire population from the maritime cities to the district now called Emathia, formerly known as Paeonia,''
A way more interesting scenario is what if the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the USSR became the real Jewish state. Anyways yeah, excellent video, LOVED the comedy in the ending. You're really underrated.
JAO would never work though, a sizeable jewish population would never willingly move there. Even if they were deported by Stalin or something, i highly doubt they would be able to settle the region and survive considering how the few that went did not
just help me understand this . I am not Jewish but i have a question . When you see the world map there is a huge areas of Arabic nations (from iraq to Morocco) so compare their areas to isreal's , why on the earth arabs and muslims cannot stand the existence of Israel WHERE it is and tried at least 3 time (1948 1968 1973) to annihilate it ?
just help me understand this. I am not English but i have a question. When you see the world map there is a huge areas of Indian nations (from alaska to Patagonia) so compare their areas to the Thirteen Colonies', why on the earth indians and heretics cannot stand the existence of the Thirteen Colonies WHERE it is and tried hundereds of times to annihilate it?
5:02 "mostly socialist" they were still super racist, even for their time, and were used to lock out other more socialist groups but it does make sense that they would prefer to have a more parlementary system as it would represent them better, making them look more forward and progressive than they really are
There is no need to start a war of words here. Just to think that the Jews would never have been satisfied having a state other than Jerusalem and the ancient lands of Judea and Israel.
my channel is a bit too erratic for that i think, i'm not really an alternate history guy i just post whatever i happen to be doing at the moment. I appreciate the offer though!!
@@nissingramainyu I also make vids on real history, anthropology and economics. I also wanted to make a vid on what I think the future has jn store for China, if you'd be interested in that
In 1890, The Jews were nearly half of the population of Thessaloniki. The others were mainly Greeks, Turks, and Bulgarians. It'd have made sense back then, but by the 1940s the demographics changed considerably, and the remaining Jews were sent to concentration camps.
My comment will be constructive criticism in this sea of hate. Personally, I wouldn’t include Mt. Athos (the easternmost “finger” in Chalkidiki) in this hypothetical Jewish state. Even though the peninsula had been under the control of non-Christians for hundreds of years by that point (the Ottoman Muslims), I believe that the Eastern Orthodox monks of Mt. Athos would feel more inclined to join the newly independent Greece or even Bulgaria (who are both also Eastern Orthodox) than be a part of a Jewish state.
I generally agree, in my original map that inspired the scenario the mt. athos monastery is not a part of Macedonia, and instead an associate state to the Kingdom of Greece. I thought that would be a little too sidetrack-ey to get into in the video, so i just marked it as Selanikim so the map looks cleaner
Greeks already made genocide over Macedonians in same time when Israel got land in Palestine....so...now you actually give good point why was genocide over Macedonians...
No am not Greek, we are not Greek, yet here we are and your government along with all 196 UN countries will tell you we are the only Macedonians left after Prespa, you have a statistical region we have a country. Agean Macedonia is out too.
If the soviets refused to give it to the Poles and kept it for themselves, it's because it's an important geostrategic location. So I doubt they would ever consider give it to the jews, especially for free. They created an oblast for jews btw (but... in Siberia).
It's always great to see videos about the large jewish community that existed in Thessaloniki, as a native Macedonian I wouldn't really be happy if this happened but it is very interesting
@@Dac_DT_MKD There is a majority of native Macedonians 🇬🇷 in Thessaloniki. The only ones deported were alien populations, such as Yugoslavs 🇲🇰 and Turks.
@@passionpassion5098 What propaganda does to a mf-er. You and the rest of you can trace your roots to Anatolia, where the exchange happened your ancestors were brought to Aegean Macedonia to be resettled by Anatolian Christian Greeks, while kicking out by force (ethnic cleansing) the actual Macedonians to then occupied by Serbs/Yugoslavs Vardar Macedonia (modern day Republic of Macedonia) and Bulgaria.
@@passionpassion5098 The majority of your "so-called" macedonians native from Solun (thessalonike for faky-greeky) came actually from.... Turkish coast : Izmir, etc.... who settled there in 1923 (Lausanne treaty, exchange of population between greece and turkye, more than 650 000 greeks refugee settled in ?....... MACEDONIA !!!!!!) That's why you hear Rebetico music in Solun, music who come from ?........ TURKYE coast !!!!!!! And do not forget all the Slavic Macedonian that you expelled from Macedonia !!!!! Go play rebetico...
And Atatürk's father's side of the family came from the area around Debar - a village called Kocacık; so regardless of his Turkish ethnic background, he's a Macedonian through & through. 'Birth of a Macedonian' - the title of the first chapter of Lord Kinross' biography of the man, starting on page 7 in my copy of this fantastic work.
@dutcheastindiacompany6939 are you dumb? When did we fight in the 70s? Both countries were in NATO during the Cold War we never fought with eachother 💀
@@dutcheastindiacompany6939xD you are funny. Turkiye wasn t in fight with Greece in the 80s, I do not know what you smoke. Turks invaded Cyprus,not Greece.
it was famous that in northern greek region Macedonia with capital Thessalonike were living the most jewish majority in europe after several of refuge jews from spain to Greece. The greeks always lived hand in hand with their jewish citizens and protect them as much possible from Nazi Germany. But the germans did great harm to them and to the greeks. Macedonia as region in Greece to establish a jewish state were from the historical point of view absolutly not possible. it would bring a huge conflct to this ancient and modern part of Greece every greek its proud and their grandfathers fought to get it free from the occupation. NO way this idea...its anchored thousand of years part of the huge greek culture and civilization....not possible to tricky the people their like in near east (palestine). Macedonia could only stay always Greek as it is today.
Aegean Macedonia has only been Greek since 1913, and had to undergo a brutal process of ethnic cleansing, forced assimilation, and resettlement with Anatolian Orthodox Christians to make it "Greek".
@@petergriffin2399 "Aegean Macedonia" (LOL) has been Greek since antiquity. Slavs were an alien population, which came to the region in the 6th century AD, without any connection to the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia and its Hellenic population. In the 1940s these aliens sided with the Greek communists in order to achieve the annexation of Macedonia by communist Yugoslavia, so the native Greeks rightfully expelled these foreigners and ended any Slavic presence in Yugoslavia for once and for all.
@@petergriffin2399 LISTEN BULGAR TATAR GYPSY HYBRID FROM VARDASKA YUGOSLAVIA , THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AEGEAN MACEDONIA , THERE IS ONLY 1 MACEDONIA , AND THAT IS IN GREECE WITH THE CAPITAL CITY OF THESSALONIKI THE SISTER OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT .
@@IgorKerovski Igor Kerov, your people are so distorted that you even call the Bulgarians "Tatar-Mongols" but your 'makedonski' historians proclaim them as slavs in contradiction. You try to battle your own insecurities, for you are nothing but a product of a croatian dictator, who deprived of you , the right to join your rightful fatherland. That being Bulgaria.
I speak for most when I say I don’t agree . But if it happened I’d eventually accept it . Curious do macedonias love the Jews ? Did Alexander ever invite any of the Jews to the homeland after the conquest?
@petrospetromixos6962 Thessaloniki was majority Jews during the Ottoman rule of the city. That didn't really change when Greece took charge of the city and only when the Germans occupied it did that demographic drastically change
@petrospetromixos6962 How am I spreading historical propaganda? Propaganda is a way of lying to the masses that promotes a certain figure/ideology AKA propaganda has to LEAD to something, to demonize the opposing faction What am I trying to achieve/gain by saying that Thessaloniki was majority Jewish? I ain't no Jew and I have no reason to support their claim to the city But it is true that Thessaloniki was predominately Jewish during said time period
Macedonia is Greek stop speaking of our lands Israel can have their promised lands and the holy land as their country if they want to live in thessaloniki it's ok they already live in thessaloniki and i know some
It would be ok as long as they made a deal with Tito. They also couldn’t be worse off than they are now - both Israelis and North Macedonians. Pity Israel isn’t in North Macedonia. Otherwise it would be just another federal republic of Yugoslavia. Simple.
imagine someone finds the hard drive of this guy after the nuclear war :D and thnking so this mfkas the jews are aweys the one causing extincion events :D to get it better read in my accent aka estern london school :D :D
I wonder why greeks, bulgarians, some serbians and albanians hate macedonians? Haha, they have macedonian ancestor and hate his grandparents... they love to steal ours history because Macedonia is biblical name...
Colonization of Macedonia would have brought interesting and awful scenarios in my opinion, as Macedonia at that time had Macedonian Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians, Aromanians, Circassians, Islamized Slavs, even some Serbs and various nations and families that belonged to the Ottoman military, living in Macedonia for hundreds of years, and new colonizing entity would have, in my opinion, strengthened the international character developed by the Macedonian-Edrine Revolutionary organization instead of the retreat to nationalism as it was in our history, and that would have united the nations against Zionism and Ottomanism, and be successful in establishing Macedonia as it was once envisioned by many Balkan socialists, similar to present day Switzerland, only much cooler (sorry Switzerland), and acting as an antibody to Israeli ethnostatism.
@petrospetromixos6962 it did not have Greeks mostly, "it had mostly [insert my nation]" doesn't work when you have various sources from both native ethnographers and foreign ones, most of the Greeks were centralized in the bisphoric capitals (Salonica, Kastoria etc), while the whole countryside was mostly Bulgarians and Aromanians, as well as Albanians and Turks, and I am only talking about present day Greek Macedonia here, imperialist programme statistics like this exist only to cover the Pontic exchange in the 1920s, which is doing literal cultural genocide on one area after experiencing genocide in another, and the fact that I have to reiterate these moments in history on a Israel video is just sad
@@neurodermatitisIt would be imposuble for macesonia to rebel then. It only had Greeks the rest were minorities ,what you sell is heavy payed propaganda by Soros institutes in the balkans they all took a Greek symbol put it on a red flag and made a country (albania ,skopia etc)
1821 emanuel papas learn history before talking big, if utube doesnt want my comments dont know why it send me your replies ,big money flaw on this scam.
very bad video, which insults greece over the greek region of macedonia. i should state that the region of macedonia has been greek, historically, culturally, socially and ethnically for thousands of years, and the ottoman turkish occupation of greece only allowed a forced coexistence of greeks, serbs, bulgarians and other slavs in the area, making things difficult in most cases, and very explosive right after the greek struggle to liberate and to reclaim the greek region of macedonia. there have been a sizeable minority of jewish people who lived peacefully with the greek people in thessaloniki, but sadly those jewish people were attacked and expelled from the area by the evil german nazis, who ruined everything in the world. after that, those people were either dead or relocated to other nations, and most wanted to rebuild a new home in their ancestral home area of israel/judaea. (which was located around the lands of palestine at the time). a more realistic theoretical scenario for a potential jewish state, would be the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the USSR, which could become a real Jewish state, or if it was formed in madagascar, as some people proposed, or in the region of alaska, as some american-jewish congressmen suggested (but it was rejected immediatelly, for obvious reasons). PS: in the end of the video, you present the nations flags in the map, and greece's flag is nowhere to be found, while you draw the ancient greek vergina star on the slavic FYROV/skopje flag. very bad action, full of irredentist motives.
MACEDONIA IS A NATION AN EMPIRE AND TENS OF KINGDOMS ALL OF WHOME WERE HELLENIC OR HELLENISTIC, WHO TAUGHT YOU THESE NONSENSES, THERE IS NO "REGION OF MACEDONIA" MACEDONIA IS A GREEK NATION, MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS HELLENIC
just help me understand this . I am not Jewish but i have a question . When you see the world map there is a huge areas of Arabic nations (from iraq to Morocco) so compare their areas to isreal's , why on the earth arabs and muslims cannot stand the existence of Israel WHERE it is and tried at least 3 time (1948 1968 1973) to annihilate it ?
congratulations to this comment section for being the worst of anything ive ever made. some of the comments are so poorly written that i can't even tell who you're trying to be racist to, but I am impressed at how many of you decided to take the time to profess your hatred towards the Slavs specifically for some reason, i was not expecting that one.
i am trying to only remove the absolute most Hitler comments, but you all are testing me rn. The Balkans and its people are the ultimate proof that there is no God to save us.
I can be worse if you want
@@mrscoldarrowWOAH WOAH WOAH THATS ENOUGH
@@nissingramainyu delete this video. These serbobulgarians think they're Macedonians. Macedonians are Greeks.
@@nissingramainyu Welcome to the Balkans. We all hate each other and focus too much about history and who did what instead of building a future. I hope my comments defending my nation didn't cause you problems.
'Welcome to the Balkans' - exactly what a German officer told one of his junior officers who was throwing up after a Croatian Ustasha slit a Serbian throat or 2 in the movie 'Dara from Jasenovac.' In the Balkans, the worst enemies are always the ones from within. I believe it was Will Durant who observed that 'Great civilizations are not conquered from without until they have destroyed themselves from within.' Nowhere is this truer than in the Balkans: most Balkaners forever dream of some powerful outside nation or state to come & 'liberate' them from whatever 'yoke' they're under rather than looking to & relying on each other for any kind of real peace & prosperity. That's why those who are informed know what's being said when someone declares that ' There aren't any new wars in the Balkans - only unfinished ones.'
How to make the Balkans even more unstable:
Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo are unstable. Due to the large Albanian ethnic minority (20%) North(Slav)Macedonia might also become unstable. The rest is safe. Especially Greece which is an E.U. country. And Bulgaria too I hope.
🤣🤣🤣so true bro
@@theo9952pakices se madhe etnime. ;!?
or actually stable?
@@theo9952north Macedonian is not real so I hole it disappear
Instructions unclear. Started a ninth crusade. Help?
No
Greek Hitler when?
broooo 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Cypriot painter
@@Roxy0.1 Xd
Greeks aren't slavs or muslims.
So probably never
like rn
Palestine vs Israel ❌
Greece vs Israel ✔️
In this scenario it will be Bulgaria and Greece vs Israhell.(cause the people and the land are Greek and Bulgarian)👍
As a turk i am backing israel in this one
@@reconscout2238 take a dna test and you'll see that you're just a muslim Greek 😂
@reconscout2238 Why tho? Israhell is doing genocide rn.🤨
As an albanian i'm backing greece we may not get along often but its better then allowing these non native to come in and destabilise the entire region again
The scenario isn't completely unrealistic, Thessaloniki was called "The mother of the Jews"
LOL, THE JEWS WERE EXPELLED FROM SPAIN IN 1492 FOR A GOOD REASON , HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE THE JEWS BEEN KICKED OUT OFF?
Alexander The Great was Greek: ❌
Alexander The Great was Slavic or Russian: ❌
Alexander The Great was Jewish: ✅
They would have claimed him
I can see an Alexander charging with his royal guard and a kippah on his head on the oncoming Persian army
ther jews actulay wrote abt the greeks, they hated them and revolted agianst them several times
@@strandedphilosopherno you cant, he was a product of Hellenism
@@petrospetromixos6962 It was a joke...
Instructions unclear, Macedonia is Now Settled in Jerusalem
Ah yes, this will help the Balkan Powder Keg
xD
A jewish state in Macedonia would be a disaster. Jews would not have been protected by the greek church and the nazis would capture them in no time. Bulgarian and albanian pro-nazi gangs would also capture anybody who tried to escape, as they did in bulgarian-occupied part of Macedonia in 1941-3.
Ah again as if the juice the victims
but the nazis are the jews
@@TheTruth-ko9ovno, your mother is.
Does this open up Constantinople to Bulgarian conquest?.
The Macedonian Solution
unironically (internationalism in Macedonia will prevail and will be crucial in battling zionist colonization)
The Macedonian Soluntion ☀️
@@neurodermatitis Only think monkeydonia internationalism would help palestine is if palestinians wanted to present themselves as Australians
The Macedonian question
МАКЕДОНСКОТО ПРАШАЊЕ НИКОГАШ НЕ УМИРА
Poor MAcedonians then...
nah wed resist
What about the ethnic macedonians who lived there and were like 53% of the populataion in that time?
As a Thessalonikian, this makes me mad.
It would make you even madder that you're not from there and live on stolen property that some Macedonian family wants it back.
@@Dac_DT_MKDyou guys believe this soros payed crp? Thesaaloniki has always been Greek
@@Dac_DT_MKD To have sth stolen from someone, means that someone need to have owned it int he first place. Vardaskans 🇲🇰 never owned any territory in Macedonia, since they have come in the 6th century AD and ever since and until 1991 they were subjected to foreign rule by Byzantines, Ottomans, Bulgarians and Serbs. They never had any statehood or independence.
@@petrospetromixos6962 🤦♂
I feel like the most realistic possibility is a region in eastern Russia, since Stalin had the idea of making a Jewish state there (I believe it still has a Jewish name), but then regretted it and kicked out many Jews.
Or maybe Madagascar?
the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was a catastrophic failure, and is evidence to me that just trying to make a jewish state in any random place would have never worked. Macedonia is already an omega stretch and there was already a huge jewish community there, realistically Palestine was always the only option even though people have been proposing alternatives through the entire 19th-20th centuries.
@nissingramainyu Thank you for your insight🙏🏼
@@nissingramainyuфала богу
Next time make video for that who really wanted to separate real Macedonia why and what was thair goal who benefits quo vadis or ???? I want to know really who messed up and makes carpet bombing over Aegean EGEJ PARTH OF MACEDONIA BELO MORE ?
@@nissingramainyuI'm MACEDONIAN FROM PELAGONIA AERIA MY DESCENDANTS WHERE FROM THERE AND ARE STILL THERE WERE PROTO CIVILIZATION GREECE TOOK INDEPENDENCE AFTER GREEK TURKISH WAR WITH HELP 9F KING OTTO FROM BAVARIA LATHER WAS RAPLACED WITH OTHER KING SO PLEASE DONT MESS UP MACEDONIA MEANING MOTHER OR MA MOTHER KE DONOS IS CLOSE TO US OR (MOTHER IS OUR HOME ) МА КЕ ДОМИ(н) ЈА
Well, Palestine was the choice for a reason; because western powers especially UK, France, US wanted it.
And this will serve the goals of western interests and hegemony over the middle east !
How does a strip of worthless land with no natural resources serve the goals of western imperialists
Yeah nothing at all that Jerusalem is THE Jewish site
you couldnt be more wrong. the US didnt care, the UK wanted to get out, and france didnt want to deal with it. Everyone wanted a jewish state to protect the jewish people so they wouldnt be genocided again, the jews immigrated there legally, bought the land legally, and declared independence from britain, and the arabs tried to genocide them again. Palestinians are the problem.
celestialsatheist1535
Hhhhh very funny.. do you think Britain cared about juice and their imaginary land!! It cared only about the colonization of the Middle East.. the hate between juice and Christians was since Jesus and never ended
What a nonsence! The Jews wanted it! And the jews could convinced European Powers to give them something, that nobody else exept Jews wanted!
You want to start a war with this video.
i don't know why i didn't expect that to happen but yeah I apparently did lmao
@nissingramainyu you mentoned the funny zone (balkan) plus jews.
@@nissingramainyu If you read a bit about Balkan history you will realize that basically all countries have claims in eachothers territories. All countries have fought each other for hundreds of years, also committed multiple atrocities against each other . And all countries regard the others ethnically inferior. To top it all, you have Albanian, Greek, Slavic, Romance and Turkish languages with their respective cultures. Of course they are going to fight. And the cherry on top, you get North Macedonia, who are ethnically Slavic Bulgarians but in their mind they deny Bulgarians are Slavs and claim Greek History.
Imagine putting a bunch of juice there.
I am genuinely amazed that this comments section is about Greece-FYROM/North Macedonia/Македонja instead of Israel-Palestine.
yeah its actually unreal
@@nissingramainyu as a macedonian, welcome to the balkans my friend
As a macedonian bro even we have no idea
@@yamiyamimatoi7310 are you Greek? Because you said you're Macedonian
@@greekfighterpilot Here we go again.
Macedonia for Macedonians 🇲🇰😊
Macedonians are Greek and Bulgarian tho.
Macedonia is Greek 🇬🇷
not a single macedonian has a problem if a greek calls him self macedonian. welcome to the ancient tribe bro😂
@svetlioganev19 Macedonians are Greeks for 4000 years now Bulgarians came 1100 years after Alexander the Great Macedonians spoke Hellenic you speak Bulgarski, you came from Tatarstan.
@johannesioannistsirigotis7142 Yes Macedonians are Greek and Bulgarian. Just because we came later here in the Balkans from Stara Velika Bulgaria (Old Great Bulgaria) doesn't mean there aren't Bulgarians there. Also stop telling false information about our people. Khan Kubrat had 3 sons who'd save our people from the Khazars. The oldest son Bayan stayed in Old Great Bulgaria (it's where modern day Ukraine is and a part of southwest of Russia) but it was defeated by the Khazars. The middle child Kotrag made Volshka(Volga) Bulgaria to avoid the Khazars and it managed to exist till the 13th century (it's where modern European Russia is and the most western parts of Asian Russia/that's also where the oblast called Tatarstan is). The youngest brother Asparuh founded Dunavska(Danube) Bulgaria which is the Bulgaria who exists still today.
Ok after actually watching the video and not just laughing at the fact someone decided to make this. This video is really goooooooooooood! Like the Maps are so pretty and well made! Even the script is fairly fun despite the wacky premise. Good job Nissin! Keep making silly Alt history videos.
Very great video, you have a lot of creativity, the scenario was interesting and well developed, lots of succes on your channel ; )
You should make a video what if the Ilinden uprising succeeded.
Bulgaria would have incorporated those territories and the idea of North Macedonia as a country would have never existed?
Jews on Mount Athos???? Pardon me 😭
HE MEANS THE TRAITORS CHRISTIANS
I love your maps that you showed off in this video
One thing wouild be 100% sure is that there would be no palestinian sovereign state around modern day Israel
so israel has greater israel what will be the greater jewish macedonia
presumeably taking the rest of the old Selanik Vilayet from bulgaria. maybe also the rest of north and west macedonia
It is absolutely crazy that any video talking about any greek land starts an argument between macedonians and greeks, good video though.
Macedonia for the Macedonians 😇
Sure but you are not Macedonian. Not in the slightest 😂😂😂
So you mean Macedonia for the Greeks ?
Macedonia for the Jews
Macedonians are Greeks
@@KougarManx468 Macedonia is a Paeonian land and has nothing to do with the Ancuent Extinct greeks that historical fact is written by many ancient historians:
''Liv. 40 3
Marcius had increased the senate’s apprehensions about Philip. He admitted that Philip had carried out the measures insisted upon by the senate, but in such a way that he would obviously continue to do so no longer than he was compelled. [2] There was little doubt that he would recommence war, and all his words and actions pointed in that direction. [3] He transferred almost the entire population from the maritime cities to the district now called Emathia, formerly known as Paeonia,''
A way more interesting scenario is what if the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the USSR became the real Jewish state.
Anyways yeah, excellent video, LOVED the comedy in the ending. You're really underrated.
JAO would never work though, a sizeable jewish population would never willingly move there. Even if they were deported by Stalin or something, i highly doubt they would be able to settle the region and survive considering how the few that went did not
It will be pretty much like "Fiddler on the Roof".
just help me understand this . I am not Jewish but i have a question . When you see the world map there is a huge areas of Arabic nations (from iraq to Morocco) so compare their areas to isreal's , why on the earth arabs and muslims cannot stand the existence of Israel WHERE it is and tried at least 3 time (1948 1968 1973) to annihilate it ?
Because God is always with Israel to the end, also with Macedonia, the hidden people and state for centuries
just help me understand this. I am not English but i have a question. When you see the world map there is a huge areas of Indian nations (from alaska to Patagonia) so compare their areas to the Thirteen Colonies', why on the earth indians and heretics cannot stand the existence of the Thirteen Colonies WHERE it is and tried hundereds of times to annihilate it?
As a greek I say this is a nightmerish scenario.
That would make the Balkan region too volatile. I don’t think the Turks Greeks would care but others would
I always find it fascinating that Thessaloniki was Jewish majority up until The 1920s or 30s
5:02 "mostly socialist" they were still super racist, even for their time, and were used to lock out other more socialist groups
but it does make sense that they would prefer to have a more parlementary system as it would represent them better, making them look more forward and progressive than they really are
There is no need to start a war of words here. Just to think that the Jews would never have been satisfied having a state other than Jerusalem and the ancient lands of Judea and Israel.
Wanna do a collaboration?
my channel is a bit too erratic for that i think, i'm not really an alternate history guy i just post whatever i happen to be doing at the moment. I appreciate the offer though!!
@@nissingramainyu I also make vids on real history, anthropology and economics. I also wanted to make a vid on what I think the future has jn store for China, if you'd be interested in that
In 1890, The Jews were nearly half of the population of Thessaloniki. The others were mainly Greeks, Turks, and Bulgarians. It'd have made sense back then, but by the 1940s the demographics changed considerably, and the remaining Jews were sent to concentration camps.
My comment will be constructive criticism in this sea of hate. Personally, I wouldn’t include Mt. Athos (the easternmost “finger” in Chalkidiki) in this hypothetical Jewish state. Even though the peninsula had been under the control of non-Christians for hundreds of years by that point (the Ottoman Muslims), I believe that the Eastern Orthodox monks of Mt. Athos would feel more inclined to join the newly independent Greece or even Bulgaria (who are both also Eastern Orthodox) than be a part of a Jewish state.
I generally agree, in my original map that inspired the scenario the mt. athos monastery is not a part of Macedonia, and instead an associate state to the Kingdom of Greece. I thought that would be a little too sidetrack-ey to get into in the video, so i just marked it as Selanikim so the map looks cleaner
Солун било и ќе биде 👌🏼
I'm glad the Greeks avoided the fate of the poor Palestinians.
Instead they did what Israhell is doing to the Palestinians to the Macedonians
DONT BE SO SURE ABOUT THAT, THE NEOGREEKS DO NOT LEARN HISTORY LESSON, THEY ARE CLOSE TO BE EXTINCTED BY THE JEWS AS WE SPEAK
I can't believe Nissin is becoming an alternate history UA-camr...
Greeks already made genocide over Macedonians in same time when Israel got land in Palestine....so...now you actually give good point why was genocide over Macedonians...
What do you want to incite my friend, we are killers? You are stealers of greek history,why would we do a genocide against the slavs?
Macedonians were and still are Greeks so there was no genocide of Greeks over other Greeks.
@stratisapto6668 you wish that only
@@aleksandargurzan Alexandrovski Slavovski Makedonski invented oxygen and fire and also anti-matter
No am not Greek, we are not Greek, yet here we are and your government along with all 196 UN countries will tell you we are the only Macedonians left after Prespa, you have a statistical region we have a country. Agean Macedonia is out too.
Kaliningrad oblast might have been an alternative. after ww2.
If the soviets refused to give it to the Poles and kept it for themselves, it's because it's an important geostrategic location. So I doubt they would ever consider give it to the jews, especially for free. They created an oblast for jews btw (but... in Siberia).
Greater Macedonia established 🇲🇰😎🫡 W
Skopje is Greek city and were gonna take it back
I didn't think it was possible to make the Balkans even more chotic, but I guess anything's possible...
It's always great to see videos about the large jewish community that existed in Thessaloniki, as a native Macedonian I wouldn't really be happy if this happened but it is very interesting
There are very small native Macedonians in Solun, most of them were deported by the Greeks.
@@Dac_DT_MKD There is a majority of native Macedonians 🇬🇷 in Thessaloniki. The only ones deported were alien populations, such as Yugoslavs 🇲🇰 and Turks.
@@passionpassion5098 What propaganda does to a mf-er. You and the rest of you can trace your roots to Anatolia, where the exchange happened your ancestors were brought to Aegean Macedonia to be resettled by Anatolian Christian Greeks, while kicking out by force (ethnic cleansing) the actual Macedonians to then occupied by Serbs/Yugoslavs Vardar Macedonia (modern day Republic of Macedonia) and Bulgaria.
@@passionpassion5098 the fact you had to deport locals so you can call yourselves locals, proves that you arent locals. End of story
@@passionpassion5098 The majority of your "so-called" macedonians native from Solun (thessalonike for faky-greeky) came actually from.... Turkish coast : Izmir, etc.... who settled there in 1923 (Lausanne treaty, exchange of population between greece and turkye, more than 650 000 greeks refugee settled in ?....... MACEDONIA !!!!!!) That's why you hear Rebetico music in Solun, music who come from ?........ TURKYE coast !!!!!!! And do not forget all the Slavic Macedonian that you expelled from Macedonia !!!!! Go play rebetico...
What if the vatican was in mongolia? Who wrote this thing?
What if Pakistan was in London?
Ohh.. wait.
1/3 of selanika was jewish before the certain guy
Thessaloniki is Atatürk's hometown.
@@y.9704Okay what does this have to do with anything lmao
@justagreekhistorian There doesn't have to be a reason for everything. only his hometown was Thessaloniki. this much.
And Atatürk's father's side of the family came from the area around Debar - a village called Kocacık; so regardless of his Turkish ethnic background, he's a Macedonian through & through. 'Birth of a Macedonian' - the title of the first chapter of Lord Kinross' biography of the man, starting on page 7 in my copy of this fantastic work.
i meant hitler chill niggaz
what if my grandpa had rollers
Just say that the partizans were Macedonians!
The one thing that might get Serbs Croats and Bosnians together in war antisemitism😂
It's not funny. Antisemitism has skyrocketed after Israel began the genocide in Palestine.😶
ΜΗΝ ΠΑΡΑΧΑΡΑΣΣΕΤΕ ΤΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ
Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΜΙΑ
ΛΑΜΠΕΙ ΑΠΟ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΚΙ ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΙΑ
Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ 🇬🇷☦️🦅
Greece weak, turkey beat the hell out of greece in the 70s and 80s.
But israel strong, Turkey shivers in the name of israel.
@dutcheastindiacompany6939 are you dumb? When did we fight in the 70s? Both countries were in NATO during the Cold War we never fought with eachother 💀
@@dutcheastindiacompany6939xD you are funny. Turkiye wasn t in fight with Greece in the 80s, I do not know what you smoke. Turks invaded Cyprus,not Greece.
"shalom, god promied macedonia to us! gtfo!"
shalom "toime to go to shitskinistan levant"
Macedonia❤
Straight up cursed
7:56 oh, yeah, that would get real extreme real quick post tito if yugoslavia manages to get hold of that
it was famous that in northern greek region Macedonia with capital Thessalonike were living the most jewish majority in europe after several of refuge jews from spain to Greece. The greeks always lived hand in hand with their jewish citizens and protect them as much possible from Nazi Germany. But the germans did great harm to them and to the greeks. Macedonia as region in Greece to establish a jewish state were from the historical point of view absolutly not possible. it would bring a huge conflct to this ancient and modern part of Greece every greek its proud and their grandfathers fought to get it free from the occupation. NO way this idea...its anchored thousand of years part of the huge greek culture and civilization....not possible to tricky the people their like in near east (palestine). Macedonia could only stay always Greek as it is today.
Aegean Macedonia has only been Greek since 1913, and had to undergo a brutal process of ethnic cleansing, forced assimilation, and resettlement with Anatolian Orthodox Christians to make it "Greek".
@@petergriffin2399 "Aegean Macedonia" (LOL) has been Greek since antiquity. Slavs were an alien population, which came to the region in the 6th century AD, without any connection to the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia and its Hellenic population. In the 1940s these aliens sided with the Greek communists in order to achieve the annexation of Macedonia by communist Yugoslavia, so the native Greeks rightfully expelled these foreigners and ended any Slavic presence in Yugoslavia for once and for all.
THEY ARE TAKING YOUR NATION AND YOU KEEP POSTING NONSENSES? HOW MALAKES YOU ENDED UP?
@@petergriffin2399 LISTEN BULGAR TATAR GYPSY HYBRID FROM VARDASKA YUGOSLAVIA , THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AEGEAN MACEDONIA , THERE IS ONLY 1 MACEDONIA , AND THAT IS IN GREECE WITH THE CAPITAL CITY OF THESSALONIKI THE SISTER OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT .
I'm not even going to question this one
How many jews were there before british mandate?
...the british mandate of Macedonia?
Disappear.
Republic Macedonia 🇲🇰 🇲🇰 🇲🇰
Republic of Macedonia is Greek 🇬🇷
@@greekfighterpilotEtiopia😅
Macedonia is Greek. forever.
@@IgorKerovski Igor Kerov, your people are so distorted that you even call the Bulgarians "Tatar-Mongols" but your 'makedonski' historians proclaim them as slavs in contradiction. You try to battle your own insecurities, for you are nothing but a product of a croatian dictator, who deprived of you , the right to join your rightful fatherland. That being Bulgaria.
Macedonia is Greece. Vardarska Banovina will soon become Bulgaria and Albania and Vardaskans will be left without a country.
There is no oil in Macedonia 😪
There isn't any in Israel either
Levant in general have a low amount of oil reserves
@@yuvalkoren4070there are gas reserve mostly but there is oil all around for the friendly oil sniffers
@@speedybonsky There's gas off the shore, there isn't oil in Israel, nor in Jordan as far as I know.
There's no way there could have been any other place for Jews! 😂
It is their land, they have a history and an ancient history.
Why don't you make a video about the muslims leaving Mecca.
I speak for most when I say I don’t agree . But if it happened I’d eventually accept it . Curious do macedonias love the Jews ? Did Alexander ever invite any of the Jews to the homeland after the conquest?
A Hellenistic Zion? Cool Idea Bro LOL
That would not work the land Canaan Is the ancestral Homeland of the Jewish people which are the Hebrews
This isn't happening. They would try to make it happen till the end
What have I just came across 💀
Can't even say this is unrealistic, Thessaloniki was majority Jewish and was one of their most important cities
Was always Greek majority they say it became like what you say after a slaughter but not to that point really as they try pass it
@petrospetromixos6962 Thessaloniki was majority Jews during the Ottoman rule of the city. That didn't really change when Greece took charge of the city and only when the Germans occupied it did that demographic drastically change
@@justagreekhistorian Heavy payed propaganda by Soros institutes in the balkans, if it was as you say Macedonia wouldnt be able to rebel at 1821
@@justagreekhistorian 1821 Emanuel Papas, learn history not propaganda
@petrospetromixos6962 How am I spreading historical propaganda? Propaganda is a way of lying to the masses that promotes a certain figure/ideology AKA propaganda has to LEAD to something, to demonize the opposing faction
What am I trying to achieve/gain by saying that Thessaloniki was majority Jewish? I ain't no Jew and I have no reason to support their claim to the city
But it is true that Thessaloniki was predominately Jewish during said time period
Ww3 begins
Hell yeah more conflict in the balkans
Was this a real proposal?.
no. Salonica was plurality jewish though, mostly descendants of sephardic jews kicked out of Spain during the Inquisition.
@@nissingramainyu Thessaloniki*
@@nissingramainyu its thessaloniki, not ''salonica''.
I heard Constantinople now istanbul
Macedonia is Greek stop speaking of our lands Israel can have their promised lands and the holy land as their country if they want to live in thessaloniki it's ok they already live in thessaloniki and i know some
macedonia? lol u mean vardarska
It would be ok as long as they made a deal with Tito. They also couldn’t be worse off than they are now - both Israelis and North Macedonians. Pity Israel isn’t in North Macedonia. Otherwise it would be just another federal republic of Yugoslavia. Simple.
Never cook alt history again 🗣🔥
I'm Jewish and I live in Israel, Ramat Gan.
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Please ignore comments from Slavs who want to portray Macedonia as Slavic.
STAY THERE, MACEDONIA IS HELLAS ONLY
First the fourth crusade now this???
Or on moon..
Macedonia 🇬🇷 🇬🇷🇬🇷
imagine someone finds the hard drive of this guy after the nuclear war :D and thnking so this mfkas the jews are aweys the one causing extincion events :D to get it better read in my accent aka estern london school :D :D
Oh god no 💀
no
Why do you want to see the world burn?
No thanks, orthodox Macedonia 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Greece and Bulgaria actually.
@svetlioganev19 typical bulgaro-tatar bot... you n@zis
Macedonia is Greek 🇬🇷
I wonder why greeks, bulgarians, some serbians and albanians hate macedonians? Haha, they have macedonian ancestor and hate his grandparents... they love to steal ours history because Macedonia is biblical name...
@@NikolaJovcevski why do you have Bulgarian name? Hahahahahahahaha
Thessaloniki is Atatürk's hometown.
What are you insinuating?
@fm-kp3qj why. You ask what I'm implying? I'm just saying that it is Ataturk's hometown.
@@y.9704 Who cares ?
@@passionpassion5098 kemalists!
He was jesish
Really neat scenario
Colonization of Macedonia would have brought interesting and awful scenarios in my opinion, as Macedonia at that time had Macedonian Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians, Aromanians, Circassians, Islamized Slavs, even some Serbs and various nations and families that belonged to the Ottoman military, living in Macedonia for hundreds of years, and new colonizing entity would have, in my opinion, strengthened the international character developed by the Macedonian-Edrine Revolutionary organization instead of the retreat to nationalism as it was in our history, and that would have united the nations against Zionism and Ottomanism, and be successful in establishing Macedonia as it was once envisioned by many Balkan socialists, similar to present day Switzerland, only much cooler (sorry Switzerland), and acting as an antibody to Israeli ethnostatism.
It had Greeks mostly and it rebeled at 1821 along rest of Greece with Emanuel Papa as leader, but due to its position the rebelion failed
@petrospetromixos6962 it did not have Greeks mostly, "it had mostly [insert my nation]" doesn't work when you have various sources from both native ethnographers and foreign ones, most of the Greeks were centralized in the bisphoric capitals (Salonica, Kastoria etc), while the whole countryside was mostly Bulgarians and Aromanians, as well as Albanians and Turks, and I am only talking about present day Greek Macedonia here, imperialist programme statistics like this exist only to cover the Pontic exchange in the 1920s, which is doing literal cultural genocide on one area after experiencing genocide in another, and the fact that I have to reiterate these moments in history on a Israel video is just sad
@@neurodermatitisIt would be imposuble for macesonia to rebel then. It only had Greeks the rest were minorities ,what you sell is heavy payed propaganda by Soros institutes in the balkans they all took a Greek symbol put it on a red flag and made a country (albania ,skopia etc)
1821 emanuel papas learn history before talking big, if utube doesnt want my comments dont know why it send me your replies ,big money flaw on this scam.
@@petrospetromixos6962 classic greconationalist brainrot blabber into the youtube void
very bad video, which insults greece over the greek region of macedonia.
i should state that the region of macedonia has been greek, historically, culturally, socially and ethnically for thousands of years, and the ottoman turkish occupation of greece only allowed a forced coexistence of greeks, serbs, bulgarians and other slavs in the area, making things difficult in most cases, and very explosive right after the greek struggle to liberate and to reclaim the greek region of macedonia.
there have been a sizeable minority of jewish people who lived peacefully with the greek people in thessaloniki, but sadly those jewish people were attacked and expelled from the area by the evil german nazis, who ruined everything in the world.
after that, those people were either dead or relocated to other nations, and most wanted to rebuild a new home in their ancestral home area of israel/judaea. (which was located around the lands of palestine at the time).
a more realistic theoretical scenario for a potential jewish state, would be the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the USSR, which could become a real Jewish state, or if it was formed in madagascar, as some people proposed, or in the region of alaska, as some american-jewish congressmen suggested (but it was rejected immediatelly, for obvious reasons).
PS: in the end of the video, you present the nations flags in the map, and greece's flag is nowhere to be found, while you draw the ancient greek vergina star on the slavic FYROV/skopje flag. very bad action, full of irredentist motives.
Did you learn history from smoking crack?
MACEDONIA IS A NATION AN EMPIRE AND TENS OF KINGDOMS ALL OF WHOME WERE HELLENIC OR HELLENISTIC, WHO TAUGHT YOU THESE NONSENSES, THERE IS NO "REGION OF MACEDONIA" MACEDONIA IS A GREEK NATION, MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS HELLENIC
just help me understand this . I am not Jewish but i have a question . When you see the world map there is a huge areas of Arabic nations (from iraq to Morocco) so compare their areas to isreal's , why on the earth arabs and muslims cannot stand the existence of Israel WHERE it is and tried at least 3 time (1948 1968 1973) to annihilate it ?
DON'T YOU THE GENOCIDES AND THE HOLOCAUSTS AGAINST SO MANY PEOPLES AND YOU STILL ASK, DON T YOU SEE WHAT THE JEWS ARE DOING EVERYWHERE THEY GO?