Can you do a contactless wash with Koch Chemie Vb?
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Your short on time and your car is need of a clean. Can you do something quick and simple AND it still look passable? That's what I'm aiming to test here, and I'm using Koch Chemie Vb as the chemical of choice.
These are the products used or mentioned in the video:
Koch Chemie Vb - www.slimsdetai...
OR In2Detailing
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AVA P57 EASY - tinyurl.com/2s...
Premium Foam Cannon with the milkshake cups - tinyurl.com/m9...
Garage Therapy Decon Shampoo - bit.ly/3U9UU48
Garage Therapy Snowfoam V2 - tinyurl.com/yzz...
Bilt Hamber Surfex HD - bit.ly/3MffFYX
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Looks a fantastic product. I’m starting to use a few Koch chemie products and haven’t been disappointed by any of them
I think that's been the same for me too dude, every time I use one I realise that it's sort of the reference point to judge all others by.
Koch have a fantastic range of products and in the 5ltr sizes great value. As ever another great test and looking forward to the next one 👍
Absolutely agree with you there!
The next video might be a bit controversial with that flow head....but it works really well.
Great test👍 I'd say that's a very decent result with only 2% PIR.
I was impressed! And pleased tbh, to have a way of making the car look more passable in a short space of time, that's enough sometimes!
Superb Adrian, I've not tried that stuff yet, I will need to order a bottle and try it 👍🏻
Certainly worth a go for the really heavy cleans 🤘
Howdy. Trying to decide on my new pre wash wil be through a 2l ik. Few on the list, Vb, bilt hamber new Touchless, hdd road rage again. If you had to buy a 5litre of something whst would you pick?. Keep up the videos mate they are ace 💪💪
Cheers dude!
I'd say Touch-Less, because it's not caustic. Vb is incredible good, but being caustic it can stain trim etc and isn't needed for a regular wash, it's basically the same as Garage Therapy Decon.
I've not used Road Rage but everyone who uses it seems to like it....buuuuuut I think they'd all agree that it wasn't as good as Touch-Less. The volume you had to use with the old formulation of Touch-Less would count against it, but the new one has solved that.
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Touchless it is. When are they gonna bring out a five litre 💪💪
@@imprezaworks hopefully soon! I will add, Garage Therapy Snow V2 is brilliant and potentially even a bit better, can't believe I forgot to say that. www.in2detailing.co.uk/products/garage-therapy-one-snowfoam?variant=39646220419151&ghref=3377%3A373130
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Thanks. I've tried a few bits from those guys so would happy to give that a go. Out of stock there though.
@@imprezaworks I feel like everything good is out of stock ATM!
Great video mate 👍 The most I use VB is 90ml per 1l as per James from Slims recommendation. I have not felt the need to try any stronger. Maybe another video is neeeded to compare 😅
Since switching to VB I have not reached for my Citrus pre wash.
Have you ever tried Gtechniq W5? Still rate it very highly 5:1 in a pump sprayer for the lower panels & 10:1 as a general cleaner
You should definitely try the Vb stronger, just to experience it and see the step change in its cleaning power. I think you can sort of tell here how effective it was at 1:9 ua-cam.com/video/rod6N_lffV4/v-deo.htmlsi=fQo1wbi7UQh5h1k0 as for W5, I think it's pants, but I really don't like Citrus as I don't think they are that effective. In this one you can see GT Citrus at 1:4 compared to Snow V2 at 1:30 ua-cam.com/video/sKB1fN-L2bg/v-deo.htmlsi=XSoxbw-bM0fJGXnV
You should do a comparison of a contactless wash versus just pressure washing alone. I don't think I've ever seen a pre-wash that gets rid of any more dirt than just pressure washing the car alone, even high alkaline ones. I've never used a pre-wash or touch less wash myself because my pressure washer removes all of the dirt and none of these (that I've found) are going to get rid of any more dirt than high pressure water being blasted close to the panel. 🤷
I've got something like that here. There is a huge difference (and it's been demonstrated time and again by many people on many channels) ua-cam.com/video/sKB1fN-L2bg/v-deo.html
I think the only caveat might be if you have a hot pressure washer.
Think it’s done a good job to be fair ,I’ve been doing this with my van for about 2 months with it being black it’s a right pain and Inless you have the time to clean it 3 times a week it’s just a faster way when time is an issue 👍
What sort of strength are you going with for that? I can totally see why you are btw, so effective and so easy, plus it doesn't seem to damage trim!
I do the prewash at about 15.1 then just foam over with BH touchless, ok it’s not perfect but by the time I’ve been 10 miles in the van it’s filthy again 😂
@@simonmarsh5007 yeah that combination will have some serious bite, as well as being relatively safe too!
I rinse top down and use a citrus pre-wash so I guess you could say I'm 50% right then 😂
As always very informative! Can you compare Vb vs Gs as prewash for paintwork by any chance?
I think I've got some left so I certainly shall give it a go. Might do the GS at 5% as I'll use whatever I mix up for interiors afterwards, but that'll be a good reference point.
I'd like to see that too.@@SuperchargedLlama
I did a test of BH Autofoam 4% v GS 4% through an ik sprayer. I couldn't tell the difference in cleaning power. So I tried 10% v Surfex 10% on dirty wheels and Surfex was considerably more effective. And the BH products are much cheaper sprayed on. It will be interesting to see other experiences.
@@pigeonpoo1823 yeah Surfex is definitely more concentrated than GS 👍 I've found that myself. That's the shootout I can do then, do them all at 3% and see which is better as a pre-wash?
@@SuperchargedLlama sounds good. Would you be able to do each on some bodywork and 1/2 a wheel? Brake dust is very different to general road grime. I switched from Autofoam to surfex on wheels because it didn't work well enough. Maybe I'm wrong?
Thanks
Thanks for the mention mate! 😂
I do this type of wash in the winter months with Auto Foam, does enough to keep the car looking respectable until the weather starts improving & the days become long enough that you can do more.
On the foam to clean the alloys, I've started using whatever foam I have in the lance as my wheel cleaner & when agitated, cleans the whees up well. Very rarely do I need anything stronger now than a hit of fallout every 2-3 months.
You're welcome dude, your comments are always constructive so it's always fun chatting about stuff.
With regards to the alloys, I can see me doing the same as you tbh, the agitation is what's needed to make a bigger impact, although a bit of something like Detail Bug Mantis wouldn't hurt... ultimately a single product at a single dilution is where the big efficiencies lie I think, the prep needed to do a pump foamer full of wheel shampoo sort of nulls part of the speed you get, better to spend that time giving the wheels a quick tickle with a brush!
Great video, and very timely for me. I just got a 5 liter jug of MultiStar (VB for you guys across the pond, I'm in the US) and I am anxious to try it...
Excellent to hear! I wonder why the rebranded it for the US market though, strange eh?
Are you sure it's the same? I know sonax multistar apc
@@flowinthrou I've just read this and it says multistar is the nta-free version of Vb www.koch-chemie.com/us/products/multi_star_n
@@SuperchargedLlama Koch Chemie has countless products. It's ridiculous
@@flowinthrou the bit that throws me is the variants of the same product, like there is pH neutral versions of Greenstar and the like.. it's down to the German waste water regs I think.
Mate I just got Koch chemie msn it’s the same stuff as vb. Didn’t have chance to try it on my car yet but I did try it cleaning my siding of the house. Holy shit does it clean. I hope it won’t strip the paint of the car. What dilution ratio should I try on my car on a weekly basis. I’ll be reapplying spray on sealent after every wash anyway so if it strips the sealent I don’t care.
It's definitely car safe, you use it at 1-3% dilution, so that's easy to work out in a pump sprayer or in your bucket, but if you're doing it in a foam cannon you'll need to do your PIR calculation
@@SuperchargedLlama mate what are the specs of your pressure washer may be they are similar to mine. I have the Krenzla 1.7 gpm. Can’t be that much off.
@@alexk5157 I've got a Karcher HD 4/8 and an Ava Easy P57 which are both really different. The Karcher, when the MTM sgs35 and pf22.2 requires 15L to empty the 1L foam bottle, the Ava, with their foam cannon, takes 10L. So to get 2% in the Karcher is needs 300ml, but that would be 3% in the Ava.
The panel impact ratio is really easy to work out, but definitely make sure you do it as the variance is pretty big.
@@SuperchargedLlama I don’t have the right scale haha
@@alexk5157 you can convert the volumes from gallons to litres, and ml to OZ, bit of extra maths for sure.
I know you compared Vb in a previous video to Superfoam, GSF + Greenstar and Auto Foam - in that video you mentioned Vb is KC's TFR, therefore is Vb known to have the potential risks associated with TFR? E.g. could be caustic/can stain plastics etc? Cheers.
Yeah I was apparently wrong in saying that. It is a mildly caustic pre-wash, yes, but it's nowhere near as potent as a TFR apparently (James from Slim's gave me that insight).
Koch Chemie have even stronger prewashes wich would be their TFR-type of product. Pb (Prewash B) has a pH of 13.9, and should probably be used with caution. On a sidenote: Both Pb, Vb and Sf also come in a "NTA-free version" (then named Pbn/Vbn and Sfn). I'm not a chemist, and wonder if the NTA-free versions are non caustic versions?
It would be interesting to see what the cost per application would be on your Mercedes (to the standard you would be happy with) ?
Based on the £60 10L drum, and the Ava P57 Easy with premium foam lance, 200ml gets me 2% PIR and that equates to £1.20 for 1L of mixed solution, of which I used the entire lot on the second attempt.
AutoFoam at 4% PIR would have been £1.51 on the same setup.
@@SuperchargedLlama Thank you for the costings. I will go and buy some and try it on a skoda which is absolutely filthy in the next week 😁
@@markandbow5774 let me know how you get on with that, it's always good to hear other people's experiences.
@@SuperchargedLlamaOrdered via your link .... should get it for next week. I will definitely let you know as I know the car is absolutely caked inside and out 😊
Tried it at 1:50 on a white b-max which probably does 5 miles per week and it was pretty good. Nice one 😊
Be great to see your thoughts on autoglanz brute
I'll try and get hold of the MSDS but I'd be amazed if that was much different to Vb or Decon shampoo.
Hello! Koch chemie vb it is safe for porus plastic? Some strong chemicals are turn the black plastic like blurry or haze
I can't say for sure, you might have to contact them for that specific information. I've not seen it cause much issues on plastic trim, but I only use it for things that are absolutely horrendous, I'd not use it for every wash.
@@SuperchargedLlama thank you! I would try it and see :)
My friend tried today the VB really really good! Excellent product
@alexmitakidis9762 🦙💪
Is this safe to use on ceramic coatings and ppf?
Not sure about raw ppf, it'll be alright on coated ppf I'd imagine, and yes it's alright on coatings. Good for decontaminating them occasionally actually.
Do you think vb kills the lsp?
What's wrong with citrus?
This is a good question. I reckon Vb, like Garage Therapy Decon, could kill a wax or sealant at the absolute end of its life, but something that's healthy? No, not unless it's a show wax. It can definitely degrade an lspomlre quickly than washing with a neutral shampoo, but Vb isn't something you'd likely use on your own car all that frequently if it's reasonably well maintained.
You'll see in the next video, I did this contactless wash, than I did a contact wash with it foamed on at 1% PIR/1:9 and then used the flow head to do the contact wash. The Infinity Wax QDX I applied two weeks before, and looked masked on the lower parts of the door here, sprung back to life. Was it a bit degraded? Sure. Was that down to the Vb? I don't think so, the front wings are still going like the clappers.
As for citrus; they are all (from the ones I've used) such poor performing pre-washes compared to alkaline snow foams. Citrus came from a time when waxes weren't so chemically resistant, so you needed to be more careful....these days that's just not a consideration I have any more. I mean, if a ceramic QD like QDX has lasted 4 weeks over winter, what's the argument?
@@SuperchargedLlama About citrus.. Check if you can find shiny Garage citrus traffic film remover, it is strong. In my country there is hardly any (true) citrus cleaner, they are only by the name and have no d-limonen inside, so I always tried to find one.
About vb.. I have it, along with bilt hamber auto foam and touch-less, I use them only when there is much dirt on the car. However, I have this problem, even with lighter cleaners, after just 1-2 weeks I have the impression that my sealant is almost dead, the beading is nowhere near the first time. In case of rain, there is beading, though, but after washing it I can see only minor beading. I start to believe the rinsing is not good maybe..?
I heard you refer to masking effect of some shampoos.. How is it possible? Why to produce them like that in the first place?
@@flowinthrou I wrote you a long reply yesterday but failed to actually post it! Doh. Second time is a charm, hopefully!
It's good you mention Shiny Garage Citrus, because that is very much like Stjanagloss Först in the sense that is incredibly potent, but it's also caustic. You're right that is has d-limonen in it, but it's the hydrogen peroxide that adds the real bit in combination, and then in that sense it's very similar to Vb.
The real true citrus cleaners don't have the caustic agents, but then they aren't very effective in comparison to non-caustic, but strong alkaline pre-washes, like AutoFoam/Touchless/Garage Therapy Snow, Koch Super Foam.
Now the other part of your comment, I loved this bit: why do manufacturers make shampoos that end up masking the LSPs....and I don't really know. I get that a lot of shampoos have other stuff in them, aside from surfactants, like gloss enhancers, rust inhibitors etc, and I think it's these elements which stay behind/around for a bit and mask the hydrophobics.....but then some are just shit shampoos with rubbish formulations that trade loads of bubbles over rinsing ability.
Thanx for your time.
I have shiny garage tfr but I have not used it yet, of fear it will remove my lsp. But this could be an advantage.. The panel would be preped for a new application.
It leaves a real film if you spray it in hands, like when you peel off an orange and your hands are slippery...
At this point I don`t know what shampoo would be the most residue free. There are thousands. I have carpro reset, BH auto-wash, Koch chemie Autoshampoo (10Lt), poor boy`s slick and foam, innovacar foamy, adbl neutral shampoo and maybe others
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@@flowinthrou I've found that CarPro Reset was pretty good at not leaving stuff behind, Auto Wash was terrible for it.....I think the Koch Chemie Autoshampoo was pretty good (you have to use a lot from memory, is that right? I think that's why I stopped using it). I suspect the ADBL one will be good, but I don't know as I've not used it (I just hear all their products are pretty good).
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Great video. Ive got both Vb and Gs in my arsenal. They're great products.
When you need to know it's going to be clean, Vb is such a great product to have!
Is that the sort of scenario you use it in too?
I use Vb when the vehicle is in a right state (covered in film/crud).
@@jcvdvandd that's pretty much when I reach for it too. You can just look at a car and know, can't you?
@@SuperchargedLlama oh absolutely. Definitely something that’s used more often than not during these winter months.
How does this one compare with the Zupa Foam ?
I can show you 🤘 ua-cam.com/video/_Qeg-fORPr0/v-deo.htmlsi=s4aOmsvkA3ZAtoko
That is some serious heavy chemical you are using there lad have you seen the safety data for it?, I wouldn’t be letting that anywhere near a car!!!
And what is that child’s toy you are using?, if you turned up to clean cars of mine using that I would turn you away, any cheap old chemical you are no better than the local drive in car wash but probably charge a fortune 😡
Settle down Karen.
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@@BrianW1612My sides are aching from your attempt at humour, do you not look at what goes into a chemical, that is a HEAVY CLEANER FOR INDUSTRY!, and you think it will be safe for cleaning a bit of dirt off a car just so it can be contact less? I would rather take my chances with the local street sponge jockeys
It's practically the same as Garage Therapy Decon Shampoo, it's not dangerous when used correctly, and I am.
Would I leave it dry out in direct sunlight when it's hot? Absolutely not. Is that the scenario I'm testing? Absolutely not. Was I crystal clear about that? Yes.
Do I have any issue recommending this approach to other people? No.
With regards to the pressure washer - each to their own, it's a great little domestic unit that one, with fantastic accessories.
This approach isn't a professional service you could feasibly offer, because you've not cleaned the car to a high enough standard to charge anything, this is for the personal user doing their own car in a pinch.
@Washerman I have had a look at the SDS & yes, it contains some strong chemicals but none, that when used correctly is going to cause any damage to the car or yourself if you use the correct PPE.
What would you recommend as an alternative for an effective safe pre-wash out of curiosity? You aren't one of the idiots who thinks PH neutral is better?