Better Timing On Your Forehand Loop | Master Class
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
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The Loop is essential to help generate power and momentum on your forehand. But no two LOOPS are alike. In this video I break down how the loop can vary according to the incoming ball. The tracking of the hands also play an important part in this process. Enjoy! JF
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Thank you for doing this video. It shows how dynamic the swing sequence is. Every swing is an improvised reaction to the incoming ball. They are all the same, but different.
Well said! I like your wording here "Improvised"; I may have to use that in future videos:) I'm glad we are on the same page. No two swings are alike; like a set up twins, they may look identical but they are different. Thanks for your support Dusty! JF
Amazingly helpful, with supportive comments to understand the video. The best instructional takeaway is the tracking of the hands.
I'm glad you like the video! The tracking of the hands is so important. Thanks for watching and your support! JF
Well said - it is all about the timing. When someone is better at timing, the size of the loop can increase and they can generate more power!
Yes, you are spot on @DoublesTennis. Thanks for pointing this out! JF
great analysis. Enjoy it very much. Hopefully, I can implement!!
I hope so too! Thanks for your comment! JF
I will try it, and come back here to tell my experience. Tanks for the instructions coach!
Best of luck Marcelo! JF
Superb lesson. Thank you.
@Sunny C, I'm glad you liked it. More to come! JF
Great video. This is the sort of stuff that is missing on youtube. Too many videos talking about the perfect way to hit the ball, when the reality is no two shots are identical.
Glad you enjoyed it Tennis Hacker! There will be more to come! JF
Yes , it's very true 👍
I'm glad you think so. Thanks for your comment! JF
Nice work, John! Do you have a clip where you show the relationship of when the ball hits the ground and where the players are in their technique?
Andrew, let me see what I can do. This may good opportunity to show the relationship of where the ball bounces and where a player is in his/her technique. Thanks for your comment! JF
Not sure who and why anyone gives thumbs down on this breakdown..I think there’s some excellent advice here and I really appreciate it. Thank you!!
Agreed!
I appreciate that! I believe there are beneficial nuggets in the instruction and if you can utilize just one or two of them I have done my job. I don't pretend that I know everything; that's why I encourage comments. I get better as an instructor when I hear from you guys! Thanks for your support! JF
Masterclass in observation.
I agree your concept.
Can you do a dedicated session on hand tracking?
Richard, absolutely....it will be the second video in my upcoming series. Thank you for your suggestion! JF
Thanks for video. What are your thoughts on handling higher bouncing and shorter low bouncing balls ie any adjustments in grip positioning and the differences in the stroke process?
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Thank you Jack, I'm glad you are enjoying the content....more to come! JF
hey yo yo this is fascinatin thanks 4 doin this really man.
No problem Gabriel! JF
So in the beginning of the video, the lag is NOT happening because of the legs-hip-torso turning. Lag happens because of the arm going forward. Right?
The lag happens due to a few reasons. One, a relaxed grip and not a lot of arm tension. The initiation of the hip and shoulder turn also assist with the lag. The hand moving forward is the other major factor in the lag. Thanks for your comment! JF
Great video
Where is the ball in relation to the stages of the loop? It would be useful to know that, to know where to be in your swing at what time.
I like your thought process. This could be future video. A lot of where the racquet is in space is determined by the speed and height of the incoming ball. Thanks for your comment! JF
Thank you for this. I have a general question on preparation. Should the racket be back and ready to swing once the ball has bounced or shot it be a natural progression as the ball comes out of the bounce?
The preparation and taking the racquet back depends on the incoming ball speed. If the ball is coming in fast, you may have to shorten your backswing. If the ball sits up, you will then have time to take the racquet back fully (don't break the plain) and take a good cut at the ball. I hope this helps! JF
I was hoping you can talk about the timing of the loop instead of the size of the loop.
Start the loop as early as possible, then adapt the speed and size of it once you are processing more info from the oncoming ball :)
Great video. Thank you.
You are welcome! JF
Great editing bro.
Appreciate it Charles! JF
Tks sir video
You are welcome.....I'm glad you enjoyed the video! JF
how do you Compress that loop on the forehand ? i don't do that so well and i get late on hard hit groundies to that side all the time
Very interesting thanks, but what do you mean by 'track with your hands'?
Good question! The hands will not go back immediately. Pretend you have handcuffs on and your arms and hands will "point" to the oncoming ball. This is a great way to follow the ball in and not take the racquet back right away. This is how the pros play, they track the ball as it comes in. Once the arms get to 3 o'clock (on most shots), then the non hitting hand releases and the racquet is taken back. This is in general terms, sometimes the non hitting hand releases earlier (2 o'clock) and sometimes is releases later (4 o'clock), much of it is determined by the speed of the incoming ball. I hope this helps! JF
@@topspintennis thanks
track with the hands in front = totally unclear, can you detail ?
By keeping the hands out in front and "following" or "tracking" the ball as it come towards you and to the side, you avoid taking the racquet back too fast. It's just a great way to focus on the ball, get a good shoulder or unit turn and never be late on a shot. I hope this helps! JF
do they do it subconciously or are they manipulating it with intention?
I believe when they are first learning the stroke it is intentional. At their level now, it is all subconscious. JF
@@topspintennis thank you 😊
Awedome video! Informative and spot-on. Good job man👏 Keep up the good work
Better timing or better loop size?
A little of both. In the video I wanted to show how the tracking of the ball and loop size with assist in better timing and "finding" the ball easier. Thanks for your comment! JF
Don't you think that the height of prep is lower because the incomming ball is lower ?
The ball is lower and the incoming ball is faster. Those two variables determined the height of the loop on this forehand. Thanks for watching and your support! JF
That is key: to hit a good shot you first have to know your intent as you come to the ball.
I agree....the two variables will always help you with your decisions! JF
Haha ! Nice video but can't keep looking at the guy in the background... not moving at all.. He's stunned. 😁
The guy in the background is Boris Becker
@@jackcinciripini6065 Ha ! True ! BoomBoom used to be moving quite a lot in my days...😁
By the way, I hope he is doing ok now....The poor guy had a pretty rough patch few years ago....
😅 JF
Don’t understand what you tried to analyze. He has same technique: left is to hit low ball and right is deal with higher ball. Thumb down for me
I disagree with you, no two strokes are a like and you can clearly see the difference in the two videos. I don’t pretend to know it all and I always encourage comments and feedback from viewers. Thank you for your comment though….it’s okay to disagree:) JF
You didn’t go through zone 3 prep 🙄
Are you talking about the "high ball contact"? JF
Yes
The problem with this vid is its a warm up practice not real game.
This is something from hours of hours practice
From a very early age. You can be sure little Novak wasn’t taught a full western grip and “magic moves for a loop”. His stroke evolved from years of rigorous and dedicated practice and high pressure elite junior tournament play. Rec players should NOT be trying to copy these mechanics.
Oscar Wegner’s big myth “you can play like the pros” is 100% fallacy and a gimmick marketing slogan!
This is a practice situation John, we don’t even know if the balls he is hitting are landing in. What good is “technical modeling” if there’s no tactical connection to the stroke? Especially modeling a complex western FH grip and inhuman flexibility like Djokovic has that most adult rec players and UA-cam viewers are nowhere near.
Tennis is a game and we don’t get points for “magic moves”. Agree that no two strokes are alike. Students, the 99% rec players out there aren’t going to improve watching endless UA-cam videos of pros who’ve played almost daily since they were 3 years old and trying to copy their idiosyncratic movements. They need to be able to get to the ball and make good decisions leading to favorable outcomes by spending quality time on court and getting real-time feedback, not trying to model and obsess over pro level stroke mechanics. How many rec players actually do this kind of development work?
Could/will you do a video with a 3.0 rec player learning these “magic moves” from you so we can assess player development and progress based on match playing outcomes and practice sessions? Thanks for your passion in putting content out there.
A video with a 3.0 player practicing the magic moves would be great. Let me see what I can do! JF
@@topspintennis Looking forward to seeing it! 👍
Novak doesn't play like that anymore. Doesn't mean you dont have a point. But he has a more compact loop nowadays
You are correct, he has diminished is swing size. Thanks for your comment! JF
unfortunately most recreational players and even more highly trained juniors copy the superficial elements of a pro player's method without an understanding of fundamental principles and a feel for the inner workings of a stroke. In truth most club players would benefit from copying novak's technique as a 6yr old than this fully evolved version. That way they will learn principles instead of method