Darth Vader: Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father Luke: He told me enough. He told me YOU killed my father. Darth Vader: Um... yeah. So he did tell you
Vader: No. I am your father. Luke: No, that's not true! That's impossible! Vader: Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NO! Vader: Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and with our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy. You can overthrow the Emperor, and together, we will rule the galaxy as father and son. I could not keep this promise to your mother, but I can to you.
He actually never says ''Luke, I am your father'' he just says ''No, I am your father'' I had to say that because your comments inaccuracy is triggering to me
Well, it could also be because the anakin "not vader" made the resistance that they were afraid luke would follows he's step or something like that, it's vague enough to be both.
The fact that Anakin has turned into Darth Vader in Rots always got me tearin up. Thats what made Rotj such a happy end for me, because Anakin became a Jedi again.
@@matthewmalbrough2632 tbf, knowing what the imperial inquisitors actually are and how fucked those kids were whether they escaped order 66 or not, Anakin killing them is an ironic mercy.
High Livin Well I sure hope a Luke Skywalker fan is present in the Jury when I’m put on trial for the orphanage I slaughtered 20 years ago. He’ll understand how much I’ve changed since then
The best part of the story we got is when Luke cut off Vader's hand but refused to kill him. Because of Luke's mercy Vader saw the light side of the force for the first time in a long time. He then picked up the emperor and through him down a shaft thus defeating the empire on both fronts. All because a son showed mercy to his father, when the father did not deserve it. Now thats good story telling!
Apocalyptic Bone-Daddy It’s Dissney’s fault for letting Kathleen Kennedy make starwars movies. I call modem day Disney Dissney. They aren’t what they used to be.!
By making Vader the father of Luke, it adds a level of tragedy to the character as well as giving him the redemption arc. As much as giving Luke a Hero's Journey that lead him to redeem his father.
MEH !! BUT A MUCH LESS EXCITING FILM THEN WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN :-/ ...... THE ORIGINAL STORY AND THE ORIGINAL REVEAL OF PALPATINES IDENTITY AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AWESOME BY ANY MEASURE FOR YEARS THAN THIS SWEET OVERTLY SUGARY CANDY DAT THE AUDIENCES GOT. :-/
Exactly! The reason Luke is such a beloved film character and regarded as a hero is not for blowing up the Death Star but for believing in the goodness of his father and ultimately saving him.
@@rexxbailey2764 You couldn't be more wrong. This decision made Star Wars a unique and compelling story. Otherwise, it would have just been, albeit good perhaps, your average good guy vs. bad guy story.
“This kid’s here to bring balance to the force.” “Hang on one sec...” Does very basic math... Kills youngling Anakin immediately. There were hundreds or thousands of Jedi at this point and a maximum of 2 sith. Who in their right mind would assume bringing balance means anything other than Jedi genocide?
Brian it’s more about power, usually a sith is more powerful than a Jedi. So 2 sith were more likely more powerful than a handful of Jedi, especially during the clone wars
Eli-akad well come on dude. Palpetine needed to use the clones (order 66) to eliminate the threat of all Jedi. So he was not that powerful, even with Anakin. Shit even Anakin took thousands of clones to the temple in episode three to wipe out the Jedi there. Bringing balance obviously meant wiping out the Jedi.
Because the Jedi believed that the Light Side was the "true"/"natural" side of the Force hence the Dark Side was a corruption of it for personal power(the basic premise is that it's user bended it to his will using his/her emotions rather than let be controlled by the Force as a Jedi would). For them this created an imbalance that would only be corrected by the Chosen One who would destroy the last bastion of the Dark Side ensuring an unending era where only the Light Side would reign.
George Lucas: “Dad, I want to make some really great films!” George Senior: “Absolutely not! That is no way to make a living, you will never attain a viable source of income with that career path.” George Lucas: *😑...goes on to make billions of dollars and the most iconic cinematic franchise in history*
2 of the most Iconic Franchises in film history. Indy may not have the following of Star Wars, but it still ranks pretty high on the iconic film Franchise list.
It was actually pretty similar to what we got from Disney. Especially from moments during The Last Jedi. Luke was depressed because he was ashamed that he didn't fulfill his wishes as a Jedi
The plots of the original sequels were released and became the Timothy Zahn novels Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command, which are the original Thrawn novels and introduce the Palpatine clone. When you look at the whole series that way, it becomes a story about Luke Skywalker instead of Anakin since Luke is truly the one who brings balance to the force and defeats the Sith.
Reece Hart wouldn’t have been nearly as cool if it was the other way around, and that script is the one we got and the Vader=Father one was thrown in the trash. I can guarantee you, Star Wars wouldn’t have been nearly as interesting or groundbreaking without that twist to further the story. If Vader was just some dude in a suit who liked killing people he never would’ve become the icon of pop-culture that he is today, and Star Wars would’ve just become some obscure Sci-fi story from the late 70s rather than the titan of Cinema history it is today. Well I mean it still could’ve been successful I guess, but it wouldn’t have had the same impact on movie-goers back in 1980 as it did if the father twist wasn’t there, and so I doubt it would’ve been as successful as the one we got.
Gene Hoover correct, but the thing that tied it all together, while taking it to another level was the history and family lineage that is seen throughout the series. These small (but hugely important and influential to the entire story) details are what separate Star Wars from many others fan favorite films that have been tremendously popular, although they haven’t hit the unprecedented levels that Star Wars has reached.
Da_Swifta Darth Vader had already become a massive pop cultural phenomenon and widespread embodiment of evil by 1977. In fact, Vader’s unprecedented popularity largely influenced George Lucas to make him a more central figure in the sequel to the original film and combine him with Anakin’s unseen father.
@@Da_Swifta that Vader = father theory was always stupid. Anyone who read Lucas ' s first draft would clearly see that the bad guy was named Vader, and he gets killed in the end when the space fortress is destroyed. No father connection at all.
"I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate!" "What does that make us?" "Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become! Prepare to die!"
I’d say it in different context than Luke’s. For example I’d be jumping in a excitement then demand to be taken to Skywalker ranch where I’ll live out the rest of my days
I think the story we got is probably the better of the two on account of Vader being Luke's father made the narrative more personal and complicated. It's not just "Oh, Vader bad, he kill muh dad!", it's the idea that the person who is functionally your enemy has a familial bond to you, and once was very much like yourself before falling for an unknown reason. Additionally, it gives us that scene in Return of the Jedi where Vader openly confesses that he thinks it's just too late for him to redeem himself, which when I rewatched the trilogy more recently, was a really hard hitting moment for me, and it primes his betrayal of Palpatine and saving of Luke. Something that I think is more impactful than just having Luke fight it out with them and win through ability. I mean, he was pretty screwed until Vader sacrificed himself to throw in an assist, and I find that more believable than Luke going from farm boy to matching killer space wizards hardened by over two decades of war with a few scattered training sessions and fighting Stormtroopers. That being said, it would be cool to see the original concept of Vader and Anakin being separate individuals explored in an AU series, akin to the alternate storylines of the original trilogy we got in those comics or whatever they were (the ones that included Yoda crashing the Death Star into Coruscant).
Fans being furious over Disney changing BBY to BSI is why Star Wars fans get no respect as they are just babies throwing tantrums about the smallest of things
@ZeroTheeHero And this is why Disney gets no respect as they needlessly change small things like this for no reason; in conjunction with their massive fuckups.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Maybe not worth being mad over, but like... why? Changing things for the sake of changing things is kinda like fixing what isn't broke. It's just unnecessary and makes them seem a bit self indulgent. Like "Ha! I know what'd make this better! Instead of BBY, let's make it BSI!" Now if they did it to kinda mark the Disney EU and Legends EU timelines respectively, then it'd be cool because that might be them leaning into letting Legends Canon and Disney Canon both continue as separate timelines, sorta like the Marvel Multiverse. And THAT, would mean there's a chance at getting more Legends content, and maybe Disney go into different directions with core concepts from Legends. (And ya know, try to be more consistent and together with their executions of these stories, obviously.)
4:28 ''Mysteriously though, a lot of the senators that began opposing Palpatine began to mysteriously die.'' This video is written like a 6th grade essay lmao.
Y o u ' r e a b s o l u t e l y r i g h t . J u s t t o t a l l y , u n d e n i a b l y , s h a m e l e s s l y d r a g g e d o u t a n d e x p a n d e d n e e d l e s s l y i n a n e f f o r t t o s e e m l i k e m o r e t h a n i t r e a l l y i s .
I love the way the original Star Wars trilogy played out. Darth Vader being Luke's father was a great touch. Even so, this original version of the events would have been great to see too.
earthdog7900 no, the DC verse has ruined anyone’s ability to keep stories straight and stifles moving forward. Pretty sure by now super man would be leading Batman Beyond era heroes and such. You can still have throw backs mentioning past villains.
I feel like Star Wars The Last Jedi could have been a prequel showing Anakin being The Last Jedi to really fight later why the one else fleed We could have seen Obi-Wan mortally wounded or cut off from the force or something to explain why he wasn't there alongside him.
So when Obi Wan said Darth Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father (in ANH), that was literal (at the time). And in ESB, it was basically retconned into hyperbole. Interesting.
There's a clue in ANH that Luke's father isn't actually dead. When Owen tells Luke that Obi-Wan died at the same time as Luke's father, we soon learn that wasn't actually true. So did Luke’s father actually die then? Offscreen deaths are a trope. If a character dies where we can't see it (i.e. Obi-Wan) then that character is alive. Ben says that he hasn't gone by Obi-Wan since before Luke was born just like Vader hasn't gone by the name Anakin since before Luke was born. That's an intentional parallel to foreshadow the later reveal that Luke's father is actually alive and going by a different identity. Darth Vader, as a character who is always wearing a mask, is someone whose identity is hidden. This also means that he could have been someone else before he started wearing the mask (i.e. had a different name).
Would have been interesting if Vader had been an evil clone of Anakin who had killed the original good Anakin. Therefore Vader is still Luke’s father, ‘from a certain point of view’
Palpatine desperately wanted Anakin to turn to the Dark side. If Anakin resisted, chances are that Palpatine would manipulate the midichlorians to create a being who would be powerful in the dark side. That being would resemble Anakin.
The feeling I get is that George wanted Darth Vader to be a Femto/Griffith figure of sorts with Luke's father being a equivalent to Guts and Luke avenging him. Palpatine himself was not supposed to have force powers and instead be a very manipulative politician, so you could expect him to be a House of Cards kind of villain with the jedi betrayer doing the dirty job for him. It's interesting to see how the story went completely different with Vader being the tragic "hero" Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine being the sith lord we all know today.
@@medievalgirl002 he was doing this because the sith were famous for being the face of the wars they start and by doing that they put a massive target on their backs. This can be become your undoing very fast especially if you’re planning to rule the galaxy. No one likes dictators at all and ruling by fear only creates rebellions. So he decided to work in the shadows and control things in plain sight. That’s what makes Sidious one of the best sith. Destroy your enemy without even lifting a finger. The Jedi were waging wars with the republic against Separatists. All the separatists wanted to do was to be in control of their own systems and trade among themselves; at least on paper they did. So to the average outer rim and neutral planet citizen the fighting seemed pointless and costly. unless you were under separatist control or republic control the clone wars made traveling increasingly dangerous it allowed crime famine and death to swarm the outer rim because the peacekeepers of the galaxy were busy playing warriors of the republic. This creates resentment for anyone caught in the crossfire. This makes the republic no different than the CIS in everyone’s eyes and makes the Jedi look like war dogs who answer to only the senate and not the people. And you can make an argument that they were liberating planets but if you liberate a planet and it’s reduced to rubble in the process no one truly wins and republic aid can’t bring back everyone to your side especially people who’ve died and the people who mourn them. Peace at what cost is what the Jedi never asked themselves. They only asked how long until we reach peace. And you can’t reach peace with War. War only consumes until there is nothing left.
I think the current backstory for Vader has become so firmly entrenched with so much lore built up around it that I wouldn't want it to have been any other way. Like what you said, the concept of redemption is a tale much better told than one of revenge.
He wasn't luke's father, and originally wasn't even Anakin. Which is why in ANH, Obi-Wan said "Darth Vader killed your father", because at this point in the script Darth Vader *LITTERALY* Killed Anakin, *ANOTHER* Jedi!
"You don't stand a chance against me. No more than your father did anyway..." 1) I heard that in Vader's voice 2) This line could be used if they bring back Starkiller in the new Vader/Jedi-Purge series!
It honestly might just be your fault if you don’t like the romance put it in perspective to star wars and how the jedi order is going to change how people think of relationships, especially anakin
@@SoulRyze My issue was the script and execution of what was a central component in Anakin's fall. There are so many examples of well handled love stories not just in films, but other mediums as well. I couldn't invest emotionally in the melodrama and was further bothered by the lack of chemistry between the characters. The only scene that I could point to and wish it had been the whole relationship, was when Padme comforted Anakin after his slaughter of the Tuskens tirade, those few seconds of them leaning against each other on the floor was far more impactful than the whole.
@@SoulRyze Uh, no. Both actors were very "clunky" and disconnected in their portrayal of that relationship; probably due to Luca's poor directing skills - he had a great vision, but his directing sucked balls.
I love that Anakin's original intended role of being the last remnant of the Jedi who helped form the rebellion was eventually taken up by his own apprentice, Ahsoka Tano.
Neat Joe i was looking for a comment saying this... anakin/vader is my fav character regardless but this design would be the best of all of star wars in my opinion
You should check out the Netflix documentary called I am your father. I’m pretty sure David Prowse discusses it in more detail and then how he got screwed over by George due to rumors. Then he didn’t even get his face revealed in ROTJ. The Netflix doc remedies that. :)
@@kal-elidjit8390 yup prowse was in the suit up until wen luke takes the helmet off and it became sebastian shaw and shaw was the original force ghost of anakin
This makes sense. I write short stories but before I settle on the final story I take feedback from my friends on how one thing may sound from another. In a way its planning in a way it's not but it's all funny and interesting right? I love this franchise despite the lack luster story telling of the sequel trilogy.
Aaron Haselrig Every writer makes shit up as they go. The fact that the disney trilogy didn’t utilize the vision and writing of a single collective writing team is why the story lacked cohesiveness.
Wrong. Read the secret history of star wars. It dives far deeper into how George came up with the stories, how the prequels evolved & even has details about his 7-9. The truth is when he first started drafting Star Wars he had lots of notes for what was originally a 12 part series. Some notes had Anakin & Vader being seperate characters others had Anakin being Vader. He only went with Anakin being Vader when the original Star Wars movie became a success. The ideas were written he just didn't impliment them until making Empire. Btw side note he did not write the first daft of Empire. That was Leigh Brackett. Lucas didnt like a lot of what she did so rewrote it with Lawrence Kasdan. That's when he finally decided Vader was indeed Anakin. Had Star Wars not been a success, Vader & Anakin would have remained seperate characters. Link for the book www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Star-Wars/dp/0978465237
Interesting that they are talking about a sister already in the original draft of Empire Strikes Back. As Lucas has made it clear the only reason he added the idea of a sister was due to the line "No there is another". The "another" refers to a replacement character for Mark Hamil who Lucas didn't know if he would return for the third movie. Mark had gotten into a motorcyle accident and was very reluctant to act in the movies after that to his slight disfigurement. So when Mark returned for the last movie, the "No there is another" became his sister. Where originally that line referred to a new Jedi else where in the galaxy.
Lucas: The one thing every parent wants is to have your kid be safe and able to take care of himself. 2005: Has his own kid killed by clone troopers on screen.
Lucas is the quintessential hypocrite. Nothing of what he says is true, and nothing what he claims to be good is a standard to which he holds himself. He preaches Jedi to be the ultimate moral instance, choosing a life of self-sacrifice, while being one of the richest people in the entire world, sacrificing nothing. He preaches that parents should love their children, but let them go and that children should strive for independence from their parents, yet Luke (his self-insert character) does not let go of his father, even though it is an established rule that Jedi MUST let go of everything, else they become evil. Lucas creates rules and ideas that he likes and everybody has to adhere to, but he excempts himself from these rules constantly, but in- and out-of-universe.
The original was a great story but had we gotten that, we never would've gotten the iconic "i am your father" scene... Which i an I'm sure every other star wars fan loves...
@@meistermagierinvoker , It's "Vader" in dutch though like the original post stated. It's not pronounced the same though, but still it's too much of a coincidence to ignore.. on the other hand if you believe this post it IS a coincidence? www.huffpost.com/entry/you-probably-think-you-know-the-meaning-of-darth-vader_b_5a0c97a0e4b06d8966cf3456 I believe Lucas himself. It's not even a contradiction if you assume he had different scripts and one had Vader as the father and the other as not and that he originally went with Vader as NOT the father in the original Star Wars then changed his mind. I'm not even sure how you can call Lucas a liar based on scripts. Unless he specifically stated how he came up with the name or that Vader was NEVER intended to be the father in any script you can't call bullshit on where he got the name... Also, the post above calls bullshit by saying Vader is father in Dutch but Darth is dark in German so thus it's not exact. What?? Lucas could easily have taken Vader from dutch and Darth from German to create the name "Darth Vader" so people would have us believe that he just chose the name to sound cool and that both words translating to "Dark Father" is just a coincidence. He's Luke's father and he's using the DARK side of the force thus he's a Dark Father but nope, just a coincidence. Yah, I call bullshit on them calling bullshit.
@@medievalgirl002 The Dutch weren't nazis. The Netherlands were occupied by the nazis for 5 years. The Dutch and the Germans are two completely different people with their own distinctive countries, cultures and languages. I see this mistake often, probably because the words Dutch (from the Netherlands) and Deutsch (German) look and sound similar. I remember this cringy Amy Schumer joke where she made fun of Anthony Jeselnik's Dutch ancestors by calling them nazis and saying Jeselnik must have been part of the Hitler Jugend. Calling Dutch people nazi never ends well for ignorant tourists.
I dont know....i kinda like Anakin being a hero but i like the whole Greek tragedy element of his fall and basically causing the very thing he tried to stop is poetic to me plus the psychological flip from going from his persona of Anakin to Vader who even talks of Anakin like hes a separate person from a psychological stand point is fascinating
Imagine watching the prequels and having anikins and obi wans best friend turn into vader. A mutant cyborg. Also imagine the clones being evil and crazy from the beggining. Also palpatines political assanations and power play in this draft sounds pretty cool. They wouldent have to hold anything back with vader. Becasue they did in the prequels to make him a semi likable character.
revenge of the sith is my fav of the prequels. hayden delivers even with a weak script at times. i also believe one of the plots had anakin being thrown into the volcano by vader. obi-wan is there and they were both fighting vader.
I remember being in the theater at 12 yrs old and hearing those words; “I am your father”. My first reaction was; “is this really how they are going to do it”. I was actually very disappointed because though we were still early in the story, I felt that to some degree canon had already been altered, a retcon so to speak. It was obvious to me that a “script” change had taken place. I didn’t like it then and as much as I have learned to deal with it, I still don’t like it now, redemption arc aside. I know many/most people do, but to some degree it’s seemed campy though I guess it worked real well.
AU star wars would be really cool. Anakin being different from Vader, Boba Fett being different, more OT era tech and artstyle throughout. I wanna see that
i'm still in the camp of pre-prequel fanfics, one where Pademe didn't die at the end of the clone wars and was on Alderan with Leia and died over a span of 5-6 years (depression, slowly becoming weaker over time). in the mid 90's, my 12yo brain had made up some fanfic about the fight between Anakin and Obiwan. And it didn't take place on a lava planet, but he did end up getting burned in like a house/building fire and collapse that was caused when Vader went after Obiwan because he believed Obiwan was hiding Padme form him. Padme didn't tell Vader she was pregnant either. She was going to, but found out Anakin was the mysterious Darth Vader that was The Emperor's shill killing "troublesome" Jedi and Republic Loyalists behind the scenes. There was also a longer time frame between the end of The Clone Wars and A New Hope, and it took several years after the Clone Wars for the Empire to set hold, making it more like Germany between WW1 and WW2. The Republic was crippled by the Clone Wars and splintered into System States that fought with one another. so the Empire and the Emperor swept through to offer people stability and prosperity-- by force. Anakin sided with the Empire due to loyalty to Palpatine and seeing the might of the Empire hammering states into obedience a better alternative than pure chaos. There wasn't some BiGOL Jedi order either, the Jedi were pretty scattered across the galaxy and their numbers were in the handfuls (no more than like 2-3K in the entire Galaxy). A Master would seek out apprentices on their own, there is no 'system' in place to find force-sensitives among the greater population in mass. A Jedi Master would have 1-5 students at most at a time. During the Clone Wars their numbers expanded in a hurry, so quality control was out the window and they ended up with more than a few sub-par and barely obedient Jedi running around. Anakin among them. He had this ideal on what the Jedi are and became jaded and discontented with how rapidly and hypocritical the Jedi became, he wanted to fix the order and bring them back to their Traditional Roots, but what he wanted and what actually happened didn't mesh (Make the Jedi Great Again... and all that bullsh) . The Emperor courted this jaded Jedi to his side, and gave him the authority to dig out the rot from the Jedi order - by any means necessary. Anakin didn't fully become Vader until after being turned into a crispy critter and he became angry, bitter, and vengeful on the Jedi as a whole. His best friend and master betrayed him, his wife went missing, and he was a shell of a man living in constant pain. (i mean, some of this was done in Eps 1-3, but it wasn't executed very well....)
I’m also curious to see what George first draft of return of the Jedi was because I know in that first draft Leia was not meant to be Luke’s sister he was going to have someone else be his twin.
I heard that, heard it was going to be a long lost twin, possibly a scavenger on a planet if go to Ralph mcquires artwork there is a female starkiller character that looks alot like she is wearing an outfit similar Rey's scavenger outfit on jakku. I always thought it was going to turn out that Yoda was secretly training this twin the whole time.
The first draft of ROTJ is available online. Leia is Luke’s sister in it. The first draft of ESB, the one where Luke's father appears as a ghost, it is revealed that Luke has a sister named Nellith. Where it gets complicated is that Nellith may not have been the original idea either. This is because in draft 2 of ANH, it's Luke's brother who is captured by Darth Vader and Luke gets Han to help go rescue him. For a month or so after he wrote that draft Lucas considered turning Luke into a girl. So it would have been a story about a girl leaving the farm to go rescue her brother. By draft 3 he made Luke male again but now it's about him leaving the farm to go rescue Princess Leia. So if the two previous versions were about a hero going off to rescue a sibling (brother-brother/sister-brother) then what did that make Luke and Leia?
Great video, it’s very interesting insight, watching episodes 4-6 you can see some slight inconsistencies with character relationships and how they contribute to the overall story. To me episodes 4-6 are still the strongest in the overall arc, with 7-9 going off the rails. Anakin being Darth Vader is still the best choice, though Anakin being the last Jedi to fight Darth Vader and his children going in to hiding makes for a great tragic hero and very typical character of the 70’s & 80’s.
I wished that there could’ve been like a ghost of anakin in the ROS. That would’ve made the movie a lot better. Especially since he started the force sensitive sky walker family. I also wished Ben survived because he was the last sky walker in the family bloodline. I also hated how Rey said she was a sky walker. I was so pissed
Dude she was Luke and Leia's daughter... Palpatine could plant fake memories and images in minds using the force. He manipulated Luke and Ben Solo this way, so it's safe to say he did the same with Rey's parents and the bounty Hunter sh*t.
I always wondered if Vader and Anakin were originally meant to be different people. Obi-Wan saying that Anakin wanted Luke to have his lightsaber in ANH is one of those lines that makes more sense with the separate-people script. It seemed that in ANH, it was implied that the Lars knew Anakin way more than they actually could have (now that we also have the prequel story). However, I don't see people complaining about the decision to make Anakin and Vader the same. It's probably what makes Luke my favorite character and a true Jedi...in the end, he chose to try and save his father instead of seeking vengeance.
I have read many of my dad's Starlog magazines where the fan theory was that Anakin was Boba Fett in hiding. I found the theories very good and wish that were the case.
That could have been really cool. I think that could have also made the prequels much better. I enjoy watching them. The plot always is what bothered me more than the CGI or the dialogue.
Great video, as usual. Two comments: 1) I was born in 1971. I was six years old when Star Wars hit the screen. Between Star Wars and Empire, we (me, my brother, and our friends) had heard rumors that Vader wore the suit because became seriously injured after falling into a volcano while fighting Obiwan. We even acted it out in our play time. It turns out Ep3 was not far from that. I don't know where we got this information. It could have been a Lucas TV interview or it could have been printed in TV Guide. 2) Lucas MUST have known the Vader/father reveal was going to be HUGE with audiences. We know this because it was kept a secret...even from the actors. Prowse was given different lines during filming. The only cast members who knew were James Earl Jones and Mark Hamill.
I was born in 1968. I and my friends did the same thing. Haven't thought about that in a long time. Can't remember where we got the idea either. It was great being a kid back then when Star Wars was "fresh", the most incredible thing we ever witnessed.
@@thunderbolt2145 That's awesome. Yes, quite true. Lightening never strikes twice. So many things came together at just the right time to make the original trilogy the magic that it is/was. The cast. The chemistry. The effects, the story, the chemistry between the characters, etc. It really is a rare thing. After about an hour into ANH, you really start to care about these characters and what happens to them. You're invested in it. I don't get that same feeling about any of the characters in the prequels or in Ep7-9. The closest to the feel of the original trilogy is in Rogue One. The film makers went to great lengths to make that happen and it shows. Watching it transported me back decades.
For anyone interested in what the first draft of Star Wars looked like, look up The Star Wars. It's an 8-issue comic book series based on Lucas' first draft. It's interesting to see the first solid ideas for the characters and how different they are from what ended up being the first movie.
Lucas is surprised the fans LOVED luke skywalker so much vader being his dad was a massive impact. Meanwhile at Disney HQ "hurp durp lets kill off luke and make him a grumpy old man nothing like the character fans love" "but the fans" "don't worry rey will be great."
I can get that. As both an aspiring author myself and also a fanfiction writer. In my favorite fanfic works , the main protagonist didn't even exist in the early draft but was about her big sisters. But now they got the secondary protagonist seat. :)
George Lucas’ father doesn’t think being a director will be able to make money. I think the money I myself spent on Star Wars sh*t itself will be able to support a whole family for life.
I actually prefer what the original backstory was supposed to be. Especially after watching the Clone Wars series. It was sad watching Anakins fall to the dark side. Knew it was coming, but in the back of my mind I hope he would pull through.
The elite troopers and clone troopers kind of are separate in the canon right now, because of the new purge troopers from fallen order who are especially trained to kill Jedi.
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Darth Vader: Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father
Luke: He told me enough. He told me YOU killed my father.
Darth Vader: Um... yeah. So he did tell you
Darth Vader: Did he tell you he kicked me into a nuclear reactor?
Luke: Wait, what?
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Vader: No. I am your father.
Luke: No, that's not true! That's impossible!
Vader: Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Luke: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NO!
Vader: Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and with our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy. You can overthrow the Emperor, and together, we will rule the galaxy as father and son. I could not keep this promise to your mother, but I can to you.
Did he tell you about the high ground luke?
As he said in rebels to ahsoka
"Luke, I..... am your Father's Friend's Teacher's Brother"
Absolutely nothing...
*"Father's brother's newphew's cousin's former roommate"
I love Spaceballs
Luke Nelson well wouldn’t his father’s brother’s nephew also just be his father’s nephew, or his cousin?
He actually never says ''Luke, I am your father'' he just says ''No, I am your father''
I had to say that because your comments inaccuracy is triggering to me
Anakin was 23 when he became Vader.
Anakin was Vader for 23 years.
Luke was 23 when he redeemed Vader.
It rhymes, it's like pottery.
You mean poetry pottery is making pots
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p o t t e r y r h y m e s
Humans have two pairs of 23 chromosomes to make 46. Perhaps Lucas was hinting at familial lineage.
Bro how does that rhyme
Beru "he's got too much of his father in him"
Lars "that's what I'm afraid of."
...is that not a hint?
That's what I was thinking when I rewatched it. Even if Lucas hadn't planned for Vader to be Anakin that early on it fits perfectly
Well, it could also be because the anakin "not vader" made the resistance that they were afraid luke would follows he's step or something like that, it's vague enough to be both.
It's probable that they referred to Luke following his father and ending up dead like him
I thought that meant that he wants to be a jedi like his father.
Even though it probably wasn’t the original intention it works out perfectly
This sounds like when you're desperately trying to hit that word count on a college essay.
Well, he was desperately trying to hit the 10 minute mark
I had a hard time hanging on to this video.
Hahahahaha
@@gonzaloueda376 you gotta let him chase the bag💰
You guys bitch and moan, but if the content creators don't make money, you don't get videos.
The fact that Anakin has turned into Darth Vader in Rots always got me tearin up. Thats what made Rotj such a happy end for me, because Anakin became a Jedi again.
Idk ROTS made him kill actual children. It makes his redemption seem undeserving.
@@matthewmalbrough2632 tbf, knowing what the imperial inquisitors actually are and how fucked those kids were whether they escaped order 66 or not, Anakin killing them is an ironic mercy.
Matthew Malbrough Thats what makes Luke Skywalker so special. He sees the good in everyone and never gives up hope on them unless he’s forced to.
Xavier Jones oh cool Anakin is still a good guy because he killed the kids before someone else could
High Livin Well I sure hope a Luke Skywalker fan is present in the Jury when I’m put on trial for the orphanage I slaughtered 20 years ago. He’ll understand how much I’ve changed since then
Luke: has no hand
Anakin: has no hands
Leia: has no han
Me: has no ham
That comment is used a lot.
@@FranTheMan78 lmfao
disney: has no fans
Iohan Kaus stolen comment dipshit
The best part of the story we got is when Luke cut off Vader's hand but refused to kill him. Because of Luke's mercy Vader saw the light side of the force for the first time in a long time. He then picked up the emperor and through him down a shaft thus defeating the empire on both fronts. All because a son showed mercy to his father, when the father did not deserve it. Now thats good story telling!
Yes and, Big V showed none to his father, because he *didnt* deserve it. And because he was still a homicidal maniac.
Until Palpatine returning in The Rise Of Skywalker made Vader’s entire redemption narrative moot.
@@JeffWiersma well in the comics he does an essence transfer into a clone of himself...and thats what happened in the rise of skywalker
@@JeffWiersma Sequels aren't canon
@@Matt-do5ne sequels are canon, but fuck rey, rey aren't canon, the main protagonist of part 7 is kylo ren
"I *am* the Senate."
"Only half."
“It’s 50% treason then...”
The Jedi are halfways taking over!
@@BrosWithHeads it's trea , then
@@crimson3 It's son, then
Am I the only one who saw this exchange in the style of the woman yelling at that cat?
Anakin is still the chosen one. Rey isn’t the chosen one. She is the badly written one.
Man baby has spoken!
She's a Mary Sue character. It's horrible what Kathleen and Rian did to star wars.
Apocalyptic Bone-Daddy It’s Dissney’s fault for letting Kathleen Kennedy make starwars movies. I call modem day Disney Dissney. They aren’t what they used to be.!
Blaque Link yes Kathleen has no idea how to make Star Wars movies! They should put Dave Filoni in charge!
there is no chosen one.
By making Vader the father of Luke, it adds a level of tragedy to the character as well as giving him the redemption arc. As much as giving Luke a Hero's Journey that lead him to redeem his father.
I agree
This would make a good anime.
MEH !! BUT A MUCH LESS EXCITING FILM THEN WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN :-/ ...... THE ORIGINAL STORY AND THE ORIGINAL REVEAL OF PALPATINES IDENTITY AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AWESOME BY ANY MEASURE FOR YEARS THAN THIS SWEET OVERTLY SUGARY CANDY DAT THE AUDIENCES GOT. :-/
Exactly! The reason Luke is such a beloved film character and regarded as a hero is not for blowing up the Death Star but for believing in the goodness of his father and ultimately saving him.
@@rexxbailey2764 You couldn't be more wrong. This decision made Star Wars a unique and compelling story. Otherwise, it would have just been, albeit good perhaps, your average good guy vs. bad guy story.
awh darth Vader was supposed to be a generic villain. thank goodness we live in this timeline
He ended up being Space Jesus
@@Rocky-yg3on space jesus is best jesus
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi You underestimate his power!
@@Rocky-yg3on Obi-Wan is Space Jesus. Darth Vader is Space Judas.
@@MrBazBake darth vader is space hitler
“This kid’s here to bring balance to the force.”
“Hang on one sec...”
Does very basic math...
Kills youngling Anakin immediately.
There were hundreds or thousands of Jedi at this point and a maximum of 2 sith. Who in their right mind would assume bringing balance means anything other than Jedi genocide?
Brian it’s more about power, usually a sith is more powerful than a Jedi. So 2 sith were more likely more powerful than a handful of Jedi, especially during the clone wars
@Brian yes exactly. I have always pointed that out whenever they would speak of the “prophecy” in the prequels.
Eli-akad well come on dude. Palpetine needed to use the clones (order 66) to eliminate the threat of all Jedi. So he was not that powerful, even with Anakin. Shit even Anakin took thousands of clones to the temple in episode three to wipe out the Jedi there. Bringing balance obviously meant wiping out the Jedi.
Because the Jedi believed that the Light Side was the "true"/"natural" side of the Force hence the Dark Side was a corruption of it for personal power(the basic premise is that it's user bended it to his will using his/her emotions rather than let be controlled by the Force as a Jedi would). For them this created an imbalance that would only be corrected by the Chosen One who would destroy the last bastion of the Dark Side ensuring an unending era where only the Light Side would reign.
@@sfugid so that means, dark siders could force bend? #Canon
George Lucas: “Dad, I want to make some really great films!”
George Senior: “Absolutely not! That is no way to make a living, you will never attain a viable source of income with that career path.”
George Lucas: *😑...goes on to make billions of dollars and the most iconic cinematic franchise in history*
PHXNTXM when you know you’re the new era Stan lee or you know for sure you’re talented never listen to your parents . Same thing happened to me
Dave Mendoza ... you ended him
But everything changed when Disney attacked.
@@ariankalavi9284 what have you done? not trying to be mean, just genuinely curious
2 of the most Iconic Franchises in film history. Indy may not have the following of Star Wars, but it still ranks pretty high on the iconic film Franchise list.
I wonder what Georg Lucas had in mind with part 7-9 back in the 70s.
It was actually pretty similar to what we got from Disney. Especially from moments during The Last Jedi. Luke was depressed because he was ashamed that he didn't fulfill his wishes as a Jedi
ua-cam.com/video/do-ag8sHf7E/v-deo.html
Just thought you mind be interested click on the link to see Lucas plan for the sequels
The plots of the original sequels were released and became the Timothy Zahn novels Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command, which are the original Thrawn novels and introduce the Palpatine clone. When you look at the whole series that way, it becomes a story about Luke Skywalker instead of Anakin since Luke is truly the one who brings balance to the force and defeats the Sith.
It was better then what we got read the books of you havent
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Tune in the next episode of _You Are Not The Father_
Dude I see you comment every video I watch
BatGuy lmao
Just Some Guy without a Mustache we meet again
Jellal!!!
Highkey this guy is on every post. Saw him on backguy most recently
While obviously going with Vader being Anakin was the right move this original script sounds really cool.
Reece Hart wouldn’t have been nearly as cool if it was the other way around, and that script is the one we got and the Vader=Father one was thrown in the trash. I can guarantee you, Star Wars wouldn’t have been nearly as interesting or groundbreaking without that twist to further the story. If Vader was just some dude in a suit who liked killing people he never would’ve become the icon of pop-culture that he is today, and Star Wars would’ve just become some obscure Sci-fi story from the late 70s rather than the titan of Cinema history it is today. Well I mean it still could’ve been successful I guess, but it wouldn’t have had the same impact on movie-goers back in 1980 as it did if the father twist wasn’t there, and so I doubt it would’ve been as successful as the one we got.
Da_Swifta less successful yes. But it still would have been a powerhouse of cinema. Both hope and empire received multiple runs through theatres.
Gene Hoover correct, but the thing that tied it all together, while taking it to another level was the history and family lineage that is seen throughout the series. These small (but hugely important and influential to the entire story) details are what separate Star Wars from many others fan favorite films that have been tremendously popular, although they haven’t hit the unprecedented levels that Star Wars has reached.
Da_Swifta Darth Vader had already become a massive pop cultural phenomenon and widespread embodiment of evil by 1977. In fact, Vader’s unprecedented popularity largely influenced George Lucas to make him a more central figure in the sequel to the original film and combine him with Anakin’s unseen father.
@@Da_Swifta that Vader = father theory was always stupid. Anyone who read Lucas ' s first draft would clearly see that the bad guy was named Vader, and he gets killed in the end when the space fortress is destroyed. No father connection at all.
Next is Han Solo (Not Kylo Ren’s father)
😂😢😭😭
Wincest?
If the game of throne writers were still there they would have made Luke his father😂
Phantom Gamer nah Luke and Leia had some twincest and Kylo removed just popped out
How very "Jeremy Kyle" of you...
"Luke, being a Jedi is not a viable source of income!" - "Nooooooooooo!"
Underrated comment
"I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate!"
"What does that make us?"
"Absolutely nothing! Which is what you are about to become! Prepare to die!"
Absolutely nothing in Kathleen K's eyes anyway
SPACEBALLS!!
Space balls
Spaceballs
*George Lucas : "I....am your Father"*
*Star Wars Fans : "That's not true...that's impossible!!"*
who else read this in Vaders and lukes voice and the exact way it went in the movie
because i did XD
@@synthesksyn5847 😂😂
@@Will-nn3pb cringe
Lord Vader is still powerful Luke’s father or not Luke’s father
I’d say it in different context than Luke’s. For example I’d be jumping in a excitement then demand to be taken to Skywalker ranch where I’ll live out the rest of my days
I think the story we got is probably the better of the two on account of Vader being Luke's father made the narrative more personal and complicated. It's not just "Oh, Vader bad, he kill muh dad!", it's the idea that the person who is functionally your enemy has a familial bond to you, and once was very much like yourself before falling for an unknown reason. Additionally, it gives us that scene in Return of the Jedi where Vader openly confesses that he thinks it's just too late for him to redeem himself, which when I rewatched the trilogy more recently, was a really hard hitting moment for me, and it primes his betrayal of Palpatine and saving of Luke. Something that I think is more impactful than just having Luke fight it out with them and win through ability. I mean, he was pretty screwed until Vader sacrificed himself to throw in an assist, and I find that more believable than Luke going from farm boy to matching killer space wizards hardened by over two decades of war with a few scattered training sessions and fighting Stormtroopers.
That being said, it would be cool to see the original concept of Vader and Anakin being separate individuals explored in an AU series, akin to the alternate storylines of the original trilogy we got in those comics or whatever they were (the ones that included Yoda crashing the Death Star into Coruscant).
Disney:Change the Timelines.
Fan: So you have chosen death!!!
Except they didn't. This happened weeks ago and they confirmed it's only for that one visual dictionary. Fake News spreads quickly though
Fans being furious over Disney changing BBY to BSI is why Star Wars fans get no respect as they are just babies throwing tantrums about the smallest of things
@ZeroTheeHero And this is why Disney gets no respect as they needlessly change small things like this for no reason; in conjunction with their massive fuckups.
@@Longshanks1690 If it is a small thing, then it really isn't worth being mad over.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Maybe not worth being mad over, but like... why? Changing things for the sake of changing things is kinda like fixing what isn't broke. It's just unnecessary and makes them seem a bit self indulgent. Like "Ha! I know what'd make this better! Instead of BBY, let's make it BSI!"
Now if they did it to kinda mark the Disney EU and Legends EU timelines respectively, then it'd be cool because that might be them leaning into letting Legends Canon and Disney Canon both continue as separate timelines, sorta like the Marvel Multiverse. And THAT, would mean there's a chance at getting more Legends content, and maybe Disney go into different directions with core concepts from Legends. (And ya know, try to be more consistent and together with their executions of these stories, obviously.)
4:28 ''Mysteriously though, a lot of the senators that began opposing Palpatine began to mysteriously die.''
This video is written like a 6th grade essay lmao.
Y o u ' r e a b s o l u t e l y r i g h t . J u s t t o t a l l y , u n d e n i a b l y , s h a m e l e s s l y d r a g g e d o u t a n d e x p a n d e d n e e d l e s s l y i n a n e f f o r t t o s e e m l i k e m o r e t h a n i t r e a l l y i s .
I love the way the original Star Wars trilogy played out. Darth Vader being Luke's father was a great touch. Even so, this original version of the events would have been great to see too.
Yeah, does
I'd love to see the version of this story where Vader is not Luke's father. This is why we need a Star Wars Multiverse.
earthdog7900 no, the DC verse has ruined anyone’s ability to keep stories straight and stifles moving forward. Pretty sure by now super man would be leading Batman Beyond era heroes and such. You can still have throw backs mentioning past villains.
We already have a multiverse, it's called fan fiction
@@MariOmor1 That is a megaverse, not a multiverse.
I feel like Star Wars The Last Jedi could have been a prequel showing Anakin being The Last Jedi to really fight later why the one else fleed We could have seen Obi-Wan mortally wounded or cut off from the force or something to explain why he wasn't there alongside him.
Join me George and together we can rule the family business as Father and Son.
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So when Obi Wan said Darth Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father (in ANH), that was literal (at the time). And in ESB, it was basically retconned into hyperbole. Interesting.
Well, if you look at it from a certain point of view.
There's a clue in ANH that Luke's father isn't actually dead. When Owen tells Luke that Obi-Wan died at the same time as Luke's father, we soon learn that wasn't actually true. So did Luke’s father actually die then? Offscreen deaths are a trope. If a character dies where we can't see it (i.e. Obi-Wan) then that character is alive. Ben says that he hasn't gone by Obi-Wan since before Luke was born just like Vader hasn't gone by the name Anakin since before Luke was born. That's an intentional parallel to foreshadow the later reveal that Luke's father is actually alive and going by a different identity. Darth Vader, as a character who is always wearing a mask, is someone whose identity is hidden. This also means that he could have been someone else before he started wearing the mask (i.e. had a different name).
I like the original idea that they were separate people.
I prefer for Vader to be scary, rather than a sympathetic character.
Would have been interesting if Vader had been an evil clone of Anakin who had killed the original good Anakin. Therefore Vader is still Luke’s father, ‘from a certain point of view’
Palpatine desperately wanted Anakin to turn to the Dark side. If Anakin resisted, chances are that Palpatine would manipulate the midichlorians to create a being who would be powerful in the dark side. That being would resemble Anakin.
Damn, that ''evil clone'' idea actually would've made more sense in a lot of ways...
Better yet Vader took Anakin's place impregnated Padme and then became Luke's father.
The feeling I get is that George wanted Darth Vader to be a Femto/Griffith figure of sorts with Luke's father being a equivalent to Guts and Luke avenging him.
Palpatine himself was not supposed to have force powers and instead be a very manipulative politician, so you could expect him to be a House of Cards kind of villain with the jedi betrayer doing the dirty job for him.
It's interesting to see how the story went completely different with Vader being the tragic "hero" Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine being the sith lord we all know today.
@@medievalgirl002 he was doing this because the sith were famous for being the face of the wars they start and by doing that they put a massive target on their backs. This can be become your undoing very fast especially if you’re planning to rule the galaxy. No one likes dictators at all and ruling by fear only creates rebellions. So he decided to work in the shadows and control things in plain sight. That’s what makes Sidious one of the best sith. Destroy your enemy without even lifting a finger. The Jedi were waging wars with the republic against Separatists. All the separatists wanted to do was to be in control of their own systems and trade among themselves; at least on paper they did.
So to the average outer rim and neutral planet citizen the fighting seemed pointless and costly. unless you were under separatist control or republic control the clone wars made traveling increasingly dangerous it allowed crime famine and death to swarm the outer rim because the peacekeepers of the galaxy were busy playing warriors of the republic. This creates resentment for anyone caught in the crossfire. This makes the republic no different than the CIS in everyone’s eyes and makes the Jedi look like war dogs who answer to only the senate and not the people. And you can make an argument that they were liberating planets but if you liberate a planet and it’s reduced to rubble in the process no one truly wins and republic aid can’t bring back everyone to your side especially people who’ve died and the people who mourn them. Peace at what cost is what the Jedi never asked themselves. They only asked how long until we reach peace. And you can’t reach peace with War. War only consumes until there is nothing left.
"and pushed him down a nuclear reactor shaft" AD starts: there was nothing sane about chernobyl
Semik that ad is so bad. They’re trying to turn the Chernobyl incidence into some massive government conspiracy when that was never what it was lmao
I think the current backstory for Vader has become so firmly entrenched with so much lore built up around it that I wouldn't want it to have been any other way. Like what you said, the concept of redemption is a tale much better told than one of revenge.
Vader: “No I Am Your Father!”
Luke: *”SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW”*
Psych geez why does no one get that
William Hollaway It Is A Joke Calm Your Tits You Unbearable Prick
He wasn't luke's father, and originally wasn't even Anakin. Which is why in ANH, Obi-Wan said "Darth Vader killed your father", because at this point in the script Darth Vader *LITTERALY* Killed Anakin, *ANOTHER* Jedi!
"You don't stand a chance against me. No more than your father did anyway..."
1) I heard that in Vader's voice
2) This line could be used if they bring back Starkiller in the new Vader/Jedi-Purge series!
Maybe Starkiller could replace the old Grand inquisitor as Vader's right hand?
"This Is Where The Fun Begins!!"
"This Is Outrageous!!"
This Is Aby Or Bby,It Will Be With Us,Forever
May The Force Be With Everyone,Always
Hmmm failed obi wan has u hmm fallen jedi u are
@@bombo4746 What Must I Do Master Yoda?
@@skywalker7455 hmm find peace with ut self u must
@@bombo4746 Can you pass that Dagobah blunt? Seems like a potent blend.
@@skywalker7455 thanks anakin
I really wish the Anakin and Padme story would have been better handled.
It honestly might just be your fault if you don’t like the romance put it in perspective to star wars and how the jedi order is going to change how people think of relationships, especially anakin
@@SoulRyze My issue was the script and execution of what was a central component in Anakin's fall. There are so many examples of well handled love stories not just in films, but other mediums as well. I couldn't invest emotionally in the melodrama and was further bothered by the lack of chemistry between the characters. The only scene that I could point to and wish it had been the whole relationship, was when Padme comforted Anakin after his slaughter of the Tuskens tirade, those few seconds of them leaning against each other on the floor was far more impactful than the whole.
@@moosincorperated1496 Amen, like it was written by a 12 year old.
@@SoulRyze Uh, no. Both actors were very "clunky" and disconnected in their portrayal of that relationship; probably due to Luca's poor directing skills - he had a great vision, but his directing sucked balls.
@Constable I don't think they have no chemistry or that it was handled poorly. It was just average
I love that Anakin's original intended role of being the last remnant of the Jedi who helped form the rebellion was eventually taken up by his own apprentice, Ahsoka Tano.
George Lucas is the embodiment of “second guess yourself” and made up an amazing universe.
It sounds like a weird fan fiction. Glad we got the one we did
To be fair, if we got the other one then what we currently have would sound like a weird fan fiction.
Omg if Vader actually looked like he does in the thumbnail he'd be one of my favorite looking characters.
Neat Joe i was looking for a comment saying this... anakin/vader is my fav character regardless but this design would be the best of all of star wars in my opinion
CURSE YOU SIDIOUS!!!!!!
MBJ_3 y’all must be forgetting they designed vader in the 70s
Like he didn't look perfect already
It's better that Vader is Luke's father, but I kind of like parts of this old draft a lot more to be honest.
scrapped ideas could be salvaged and reincarnated or recycled somewhere.
Me too, it sounds less genocide and more conflict between sith and Jedi.
Vanders it would had made for far better prequels
@@jayrobinson4591 at the cost of a less interesting origional trilogy.
What happened to the inquisitors after Return of the Jedi, assuming there were any inquisitors left around that time
@Terrible Gamer They contracted the Big Gay and died.
They all are dead
Since they are former jedi they will join Luke's academy
but they're all dead so nope
The fact that Motti is taunting Vader for his beliefs as though he were the only of his kind suggests the inquisitors were wiped out before rotj
Jedi fallen order
Wouldn’t mind a fan fic or “legends soft reboot” of this story fleshed out in an independent show/Movie or comic
I heard that the “Darth Vader is Luke’s father” concept was originally David Prowse’s idea.
You should check out the Netflix documentary called I am your father. I’m pretty sure David Prowse discusses it in more detail and then how he got screwed over by George due to rumors. Then he didn’t even get his face revealed in ROTJ. The Netflix doc remedies that. :)
@@kal-elidjit8390 yup prowse was in the suit up until wen luke takes the helmet off and it became sebastian shaw and shaw was the original force ghost of anakin
Ironically, David Prowse looks more like an older version of Anakin than Sebastian Shaw does.
So George didn’t “always plan” like many are claiming he did for how the original trilogy was going to go. Thanks for confirming this.
yep, George just made shit up as he went along.........Just like Disney
Star Wars has always been somewhat made up as it goes along
This makes sense. I write short stories but before I settle on the final story I take feedback from my friends on how one thing may sound from another. In a way its planning in a way it's not but it's all funny and interesting right? I love this franchise despite the lack luster story telling of the sequel trilogy.
Aaron Haselrig Every writer makes shit up as they go. The fact that the disney trilogy didn’t utilize the vision and writing of a single collective writing team is why the story lacked cohesiveness.
Wrong. Read the secret history of star wars. It dives far deeper into how George came up with the stories, how the prequels evolved & even has details about his 7-9. The truth is when he first started drafting Star Wars he had lots of notes for what was originally a 12 part series. Some notes had Anakin & Vader being seperate characters others had Anakin being Vader. He only went with Anakin being Vader when the original Star Wars movie became a success. The ideas were written he just didn't impliment them until making Empire. Btw side note he did not write the first daft of Empire. That was Leigh Brackett. Lucas didnt like a lot of what she did so rewrote it with Lawrence Kasdan. That's when he finally decided Vader was indeed Anakin. Had Star Wars not been a success, Vader & Anakin would have remained seperate characters.
Link for the book
www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Star-Wars/dp/0978465237
Interesting that they are talking about a sister already in the original draft of Empire Strikes Back. As Lucas has made it clear the only reason he added the idea of a sister was due to the line "No there is another". The "another" refers to a replacement character for Mark Hamil who Lucas didn't know if he would return for the third movie. Mark had gotten into a motorcyle accident and was very reluctant to act in the movies after that to his slight disfigurement. So when Mark returned for the last movie, the "No there is another" became his sister. Where originally that line referred to a new Jedi else where in the galaxy.
Lucas: The one thing every parent wants is to have your kid be safe and able to take care of himself.
2005: Has his own kid killed by clone troopers on screen.
Well tha- good point
Which kid was killed? Who was the character?
@@davidm9454 the Jedi who saved bail
Lucas is the quintessential hypocrite. Nothing of what he says is true, and nothing what he claims to be good is a standard to which he holds himself. He preaches Jedi to be the ultimate moral instance, choosing a life of self-sacrifice, while being one of the richest people in the entire world, sacrificing nothing. He preaches that parents should love their children, but let them go and that children should strive for independence from their parents, yet Luke (his self-insert character) does not let go of his father, even though it is an established rule that Jedi MUST let go of everything, else they become evil. Lucas creates rules and ideas that he likes and everybody has to adhere to, but he excempts himself from these rules constantly, but in- and out-of-universe.
@@DraculaCronqvist why did you write a entire book
The original was a great story but had we gotten that, we never would've gotten the iconic "i am your father" scene... Which i an I'm sure every other star wars fan loves...
I feel like GL accidentally found out vader means father in dutch, and he decided to roll with it. Regardless, I absolutely love what we got.
I never knew that
I thought it was German?? Oh well learn something new everyday hahahaha
@@ianbuckley3514 would be "Vater" in German so you were not to far off
@@meistermagierinvoker ,
It's "Vader" in dutch though like the original post stated. It's not pronounced the same though, but still it's too much of a coincidence to ignore.. on the other hand if you believe this post it IS a coincidence?
www.huffpost.com/entry/you-probably-think-you-know-the-meaning-of-darth-vader_b_5a0c97a0e4b06d8966cf3456
I believe Lucas himself. It's not even a contradiction if you assume he had different scripts and one had Vader as the father and the other as not and that he originally went with Vader as NOT the father in the original Star Wars then changed his mind.
I'm not even sure how you can call Lucas a liar based on scripts. Unless he specifically stated how he came up with the name or that Vader was NEVER intended to be the father in any script you can't call bullshit on where he got the name...
Also, the post above calls bullshit by saying Vader is father in Dutch but Darth is dark in German so thus it's not exact. What?? Lucas could easily have taken Vader from dutch and Darth from German to create the name "Darth Vader" so people would have us believe that he just chose the name to sound cool and that both words translating to "Dark Father" is just a coincidence. He's Luke's father and he's using the DARK side of the force thus he's a Dark Father but nope, just a coincidence.
Yah, I call bullshit on them calling bullshit.
@@medievalgirl002 The Dutch weren't nazis.
The Netherlands were occupied by the nazis for 5 years.
The Dutch and the Germans are two completely different people with their own distinctive countries, cultures and languages.
I see this mistake often, probably because the words Dutch (from the Netherlands) and Deutsch (German) look and sound similar.
I remember this cringy Amy Schumer joke where she made fun of Anthony Jeselnik's Dutch ancestors by calling them nazis and saying Jeselnik must have been part of the Hitler Jugend.
Calling Dutch people nazi never ends well for ignorant tourists.
I dont know....i kinda like Anakin being a hero but i like the whole Greek tragedy element of his fall and basically causing the very thing he tried to stop is poetic to me plus the psychological flip from going from his persona of Anakin to Vader who even talks of Anakin like hes a separate person from a psychological stand point is fascinating
Imagine watching the prequels and having anikins and obi wans best friend turn into vader. A mutant cyborg. Also imagine the clones being evil and crazy from the beggining. Also palpatines political assanations and power play in this draft sounds pretty cool. They wouldent have to hold anything back with vader. Becasue they did in the prequels to make him a semi likable character.
revenge of the sith is my fav of the prequels. hayden delivers even with a weak script at times. i also believe one of the plots had anakin being thrown into the volcano by vader. obi-wan is there and they were both fighting vader.
Can we pretend the last three star wars didn't happen.
And have George Lucas do them...Disney can keep my money.
Both of them would have been nice but the one of vader being luke’s father is more impactfull and easy to remember and less confusing.
Wouldn't be confusing if we had originally got it the other way around.
I remember being in the theater at 12 yrs old and hearing those words; “I am your father”. My first reaction was; “is this really how they are going to do it”. I was actually very disappointed because though we were still early in the story, I felt that to some degree canon had already been altered, a retcon so to speak. It was obvious to me that a “script” change had taken place. I didn’t like it then and as much as I have learned to deal with it, I still don’t like it now, redemption arc aside. I know many/most people do, but to some degree it’s seemed campy though I guess it worked real well.
Yeah, I agree. You have this whole big galaxy but these two guys are related? C'mon! It's really cliche.
It would've been a crazy cool plot twist in this concept if Vader was actually the brother of anakin and they were twins.
The original story would have been so damn awesome! This could be another marvel multiverse moment and we could still see it as a movie.
I wouldn’t mind an AU trilogy that went exactly with how George originally imagined his vision. I think it could work out.
AU star wars would be really cool. Anakin being different from Vader, Boba Fett being different, more OT era tech and artstyle throughout. I wanna see that
That would never, ever happen
And Separatist Clones sounded like a good idea too! 😉👍
I'm amazed at the verbal gymnastics it took to stretch the intro monologue for 2 minutes. Great job getting the video to 10 minutes.
The reveal we got in Empire was the best, which is why Episode V is my favorite Star Wars film.
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Love the Vader desing in the thumbnail
I’m glad we didn’t get this version.
i'm still in the camp of pre-prequel fanfics, one where Pademe didn't die at the end of the clone wars and was on Alderan with Leia and died over a span of 5-6 years (depression, slowly becoming weaker over time).
in the mid 90's, my 12yo brain had made up some fanfic about the fight between Anakin and Obiwan. And it didn't take place on a lava planet, but he did end up getting burned in like a house/building fire and collapse that was caused when Vader went after Obiwan because he believed Obiwan was hiding Padme form him. Padme didn't tell Vader she was pregnant either. She was going to, but found out Anakin was the mysterious Darth Vader that was The Emperor's shill killing "troublesome" Jedi and Republic Loyalists behind the scenes.
There was also a longer time frame between the end of The Clone Wars and A New Hope, and it took several years after the Clone Wars for the Empire to set hold, making it more like Germany between WW1 and WW2. The Republic was crippled by the Clone Wars and splintered into System States that fought with one another. so the Empire and the Emperor swept through to offer people stability and prosperity-- by force. Anakin sided with the Empire due to loyalty to Palpatine and seeing the might of the Empire hammering states into obedience a better alternative than pure chaos.
There wasn't some BiGOL Jedi order either, the Jedi were pretty scattered across the galaxy and their numbers were in the handfuls (no more than like 2-3K in the entire Galaxy). A Master would seek out apprentices on their own, there is no 'system' in place to find force-sensitives among the greater population in mass. A Jedi Master would have 1-5 students at most at a time. During the Clone Wars their numbers expanded in a hurry, so quality control was out the window and they ended up with more than a few sub-par and barely obedient Jedi running around. Anakin among them. He had this ideal on what the Jedi are and became jaded and discontented with how rapidly and hypocritical the Jedi became, he wanted to fix the order and bring them back to their Traditional Roots, but what he wanted and what actually happened didn't mesh (Make the Jedi Great Again... and all that bullsh) . The Emperor courted this jaded Jedi to his side, and gave him the authority to dig out the rot from the Jedi order - by any means necessary. Anakin didn't fully become Vader until after being turned into a crispy critter and he became angry, bitter, and vengeful on the Jedi as a whole. His best friend and master betrayed him, his wife went missing, and he was a shell of a man living in constant pain. (i mean, some of this was done in Eps 1-3, but it wasn't executed very well....)
I’m also curious to see what George first draft of return of the Jedi was because I know in that first draft Leia was not meant to be Luke’s sister he was going to have someone else be his twin.
I heard that, heard it was going to be a long lost twin, possibly a scavenger on a planet if go to Ralph mcquires artwork there is a female starkiller character that looks alot like she is wearing an outfit similar Rey's scavenger outfit on jakku. I always thought it was going to turn out that Yoda was secretly training this twin the whole time.
The first draft of ROTJ is available online. Leia is Luke’s sister in it. The first draft of ESB, the one where Luke's father appears as a ghost, it is revealed that Luke has a sister named Nellith. Where it gets complicated is that Nellith may not have been the original idea either. This is because in draft 2 of ANH, it's Luke's brother who is captured by Darth Vader and Luke gets Han to help go rescue him. For a month or so after he wrote that draft Lucas considered turning Luke into a girl. So it would have been a story about a girl leaving the farm to go rescue her brother. By draft 3 he made Luke male again but now it's about him leaving the farm to go rescue Princess Leia. So if the two previous versions were about a hero going off to rescue a sibling (brother-brother/sister-brother) then what did that make Luke and Leia?
Great video, it’s very interesting insight, watching episodes 4-6 you can see some slight inconsistencies with character relationships and how they contribute to the overall story. To me episodes 4-6 are still the strongest in the overall arc, with 7-9 going off the rails.
Anakin being Darth Vader is still the best choice, though Anakin being the last Jedi to fight Darth Vader and his children going in to hiding makes for a great tragic hero and very typical character of the 70’s & 80’s.
Kind digging the hooded Darth Vader look.
I wished that there could’ve been like a ghost of anakin in the ROS. That would’ve made the movie a lot better. Especially since he started the force sensitive sky walker family. I also wished Ben survived because he was the last sky walker in the family bloodline. I also hated how Rey said she was a sky walker. I was so pissed
Dude she was Luke and Leia's daughter... Palpatine could plant fake memories and images in minds using the force. He manipulated Luke and Ben Solo this way, so it's safe to say he did the same with Rey's parents and the bounty Hunter sh*t.
Brian Smurfboard wdym. Rey was a palpatine
@@jdemps0597 why do you think Luke's lightsaber called to rey
Reincarnation of the chosen one. That way she could be bring balance to the force. She wasn’t Luke’s daughter
@@briansmurfboard8584 LUKE AND LEIA'S DAUGHTER???? thats some sick stuff brewing in ur mind
"According to a different point of view." seems like a good synthesis in context of this video.
I always wondered if Vader and Anakin were originally meant to be different people. Obi-Wan saying that Anakin wanted Luke to have his lightsaber in ANH is one of those lines that makes more sense with the separate-people script. It seemed that in ANH, it was implied that the Lars knew Anakin way more than they actually could have (now that we also have the prequel story). However, I don't see people complaining about the decision to make Anakin and Vader the same. It's probably what makes Luke my favorite character and a true Jedi...in the end, he chose to try and save his father instead of seeking vengeance.
This guy is a dumbass and wrong. George Lucas himself said himself.he ALWAYS intended for Vader to be Luke's father and Anakin.
I love Anakin the way they took his story and he’s become one of my favorite characters of all time. But the pure Jedi Daddy story sounds good too 😳
I have read many of my dad's Starlog magazines where the fan theory was that Anakin was Boba Fett in hiding. I found the theories very good and wish that were the case.
Is it just me but this storyline is actually good
The original script
Half of the Senate:Agrees with Palpatine
Other Half of the Senate:Disagrees with Palpatine
Me:Visible Confusion
The fact that the clones were originally gonna be the bad guys in The Clone Wars, explains the name “Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones”
If Lucas would’ve made it as Anakin and Vader as siblings, i wouldn’t have minded that plot twist either
No. I am your uncle. That's impossible
That could have been really cool. I think that could have also made the prequels much better. I enjoy watching them. The plot always is what bothered me more than the CGI or the dialogue.
They would have been very lion king
@@therealxlalabecca Dude!
Imagine how cool it would have been if anakin had been there to convince Luke to continue to train
thats because he made it up as he went and because he kept changing shit every 2 seconds.
Great video, as usual. Two comments:
1) I was born in 1971. I was six years old when Star Wars hit the screen. Between Star Wars and Empire, we (me, my brother, and our friends) had heard rumors that Vader wore the suit because became seriously injured after falling into a volcano while fighting Obiwan. We even acted it out in our play time. It turns out Ep3 was not far from that. I don't know where we got this information. It could have been a Lucas TV interview or it could have been printed in TV Guide.
2) Lucas MUST have known the Vader/father reveal was going to be HUGE with audiences. We know this because it was kept a secret...even from the actors. Prowse was given different lines during filming. The only cast members who knew were James Earl Jones and Mark Hamill.
I was born in 1968. I and my friends did the same thing. Haven't thought about that in a long time. Can't remember where we got the idea either. It was great being a kid back then when Star Wars was "fresh", the most incredible thing we ever witnessed.
@@thunderbolt2145 That's awesome. Yes, quite true. Lightening never strikes twice. So many things came together at just the right time to make the original trilogy the magic that it is/was. The cast. The chemistry. The effects, the story, the chemistry between the characters, etc. It really is a rare thing. After about an hour into ANH, you really start to care about these characters and what happens to them. You're invested in it. I don't get that same feeling about any of the characters in the prequels or in Ep7-9. The closest to the feel of the original trilogy is in Rogue One. The film makers went to great lengths to make that happen and it shows. Watching it transported me back decades.
For anyone interested in what the first draft of Star Wars looked like, look up The Star Wars. It's an 8-issue comic book series based on Lucas' first draft. It's interesting to see the first solid ideas for the characters and how different they are from what ended up being the first movie.
A recommended UA-cam video called "what if Star Wars episode 1 was actually good. "
Don't get too distracted by the title. It's not meant to offend.
Doesn’t Darth Vader mean dark father?
"no hints" right...
Darth doesn’t mean dark.
True, darth is a sith lord title, but Vader IS a derivation of the German vater meaning father
Yes, Vader is Flamish for father
Pretty sure that was just a coincidence
Lucas is surprised the fans LOVED luke skywalker so much vader being his dad was a massive impact.
Meanwhile at Disney HQ "hurp durp lets kill off luke and make him a grumpy old man nothing like the character fans love" "but the fans" "don't worry rey will be great."
That’s impossible!!!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I'm asking the same question "Revan"
*It's unfair, it's outrageous*
You can say that again, Kwabz
Darth Revan How do you both have the same name
Yep. Originally Vader and Anakin were different people.
I can get that. As both an aspiring author myself and also a fanfiction writer. In my favorite fanfic works , the main protagonist didn't even exist in the early draft but was about her big sisters. But now they got the secondary protagonist seat. :)
Id love to see a "what if?" Comic or something, that explored that original plan for starwars
It would be cool if they did a what if show like their doing with marvel.
George Lucas’ father doesn’t think being a director will be able to make money.
I think the money I myself spent on Star Wars sh*t itself will be able to support a whole family for life.
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Whoa!
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Woah!
Goerge's conflict with his father is also probably reflected in Luke's conflict with his uncle Owen.
More like Luke's relationship with any male authority figure.
@@briansmurfboard8584 Luke has daddy issues
Feminist want nothing to do with that patriarchal stuff! 🤕
The picture of anakin in the thumbnail is such a badass concept of how anakin could look
That moment on Endor where Darth Vader secretly met Luke was a more meaningful father-son moment than most of the relationship with my own father.
Sorry Bud, that sucks...
I honestly didn't know bby and aby years didn't exist anymore... Shows how much I care for the Disney SW EU.
I actually prefer what the original backstory was supposed to be. Especially after watching the Clone Wars series. It was sad watching Anakins fall to the dark side. Knew it was coming, but in the back of my mind I hope he would pull through.
Douglas Fruik I far prefer the final one
4 ads on a 10 minute video...really?
Welcome to star wars UA-camrs where they make a video about every little detail pad it out for 10 and pack it full of ads
It's janurary smartass
Pay the 10.00 and skip the ads.
I didn’t get any.
That thumbnail of him in traditional Sith robes and just the breather mask is a MUCH better costume than the full black armor suit.
I kind of want to see a reboot using this original version of The Star Wars.
Unironically better than what Disney has come up with lol
this original story actually sounds extremely good, i dont know if its better, but i wouldnt say its worse either
darth vader: I am your father
luke: *well yes, but actually no.*
I was very unlucky in my life .... I saw the prequels first and I didnt feel shit in the scene where its revealed that Vader is Luke's father
Δημήτρης Χριστόπουλος i was too young to give a shit
Γειά 😂
The elite troopers and clone troopers kind of are separate in the canon right now, because of the new purge troopers from fallen order who are especially trained to kill Jedi.
One of these channels should do a "what if.." and do the original draft. See how much would have changed over 1-6.