All Alien Civilizations May Ponder the Fermi Paradox
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
- An exploration of the concept that the Fermi paradox may be a common notion among all technological civilizations in the universe.
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I can imagine a civilization of sentient cephalapods beneath an ice shell making an effort to dig up thru the ice just to see what is there.
dig up through the ice?!! With what, their mechanical diggers? 😂
@@richardconway6425 Cephalapods so... beaks I guess?
@@richardconway6425using sword fish obviously
@@paulr9562 this is the kinda economy saving ideas we need more of
I posted above that just as they might think for a while that their entire UNIVERSE is what is under that ice and the truth of that NOT being the case might at first overwhelm them its possible that there is a flip in the OTHER direction where we discover that due to other universes (multiverse) and other DIMENSIONS that we cannot comprehend that what we think of as the ENTIRE UNIVERSE might be INSIGNIFICANT compared to the totality of what exists. We might in a relative sense be just as "confined" as the beings of Europa.
Just one alien fossil away from a universe full of life. Awesome.
Your comment made me laugh imagining alien fossils destroying the golden gate bridge or the white house, a new type of first contact.
dozens of UFOs away from confirmation. :)
You mean like the alien fossils/bodies brought out during the ufo/uap hearing at the Mexican Congress? Keep up with current events please.
It's true, but also sad to think about. We are still discovering our own fossils, with many gaps. To think we have to mine many other planets to answer the question; I doubt this will happen in my lifetime.
Just one fossil away from evolution on earth .. lol
Imagine first contact with another intelligent civilization, and their first question is: "So, have you seen anyone else besides us already. Because we haven't in 1 million of your planet's years".
Fermi paradox solved, or merely shifted to: why are there only the two civilizations as far as we can see?
I've always figured that while once is happenstance, twice could be coincidence...but it's more likely just indicating rarity.
Now three? That's a conspiracy!
We're all alone together
@@BronzeDragon133 What about 7? Building 7?
It doesn’t really solve anything. They could have just been unlucky for a million years or looking for the wrong things
My solution is simple: We are among the first.
The universe is only 14 billion years old, it is expected to last many orders of magnitude longer. If we assume that it took a few billion years to cook up the elements needed to form complex life before it could even get started, and Earth is a typical example of how long it takes to go from single cell to intelligent beings, and we factor in how many times life nearly went extinct on Earth, it isn't unreasonable to think that we are either the first in galaxy or one of the earliest.
I think it's unlikely that more than 1 in 10 planets with life ever have the stability to let evolution produce something like us, and we might be a 1 in a million chance on top of that, then you have last long enough as a species to get out into space and all of a sudden, the question isn't "why are there no aliens?" it's "how lucky are we to still be here?"
"Complex life may require the passage of too many...hurdles to make it scarce." I think you got that sort of backwards. It requires the passage of too many hurdles to make it common.
Looking through my telescope while listening to your channel is the best thing in the world. Keep up the great work!
I can't believe that i happened to land in a part of youtube surrounded by so many wise people. Great work John for gathering all of us around you and your creativity
No, you just were in dumb part until now.
John, the amount of likes you get the minute you post amazes me, I'm one of them because I like your thoughts and information you provide but still crazy. Hope your doing well.
my most recent psyche eval confirms i'm still crazy too
Much love, I’m sitting in my bedroom right now looking at the moon .. perfect setting for listening to this
That sounds perfect !
I wish my bdrm had a view of the night sky. Gotta go out back for that. Much love to you man! Happy stargazing
Umm... The moon is not up yet, it is almost New moon.
Greetings from Ireland lads
I’m on the toilet shitting my guts out from taco bell. Not as perfect a setting as yours unfortunately 😞
Now i’m just imagining a somewhat developed society in Europa suddenly seeing their impenetrable sky being cracked and some weird structure appearing after they believed for tens of thousands of years that the ice sky was infinite
cool
They would lose their mind
I came up with an idea for a science fiction story where astronauts from Earth visit Europa and the beings in the oceans have human level intelligence but thought that their world was the ENTIRE UNIVERSE and the humans learn to communicate with them and over time befriend them and help them to comprehend how big the universe really is. My twist ending for the story is that the main human character on his way back to Earth after being there for a few years communicating with and befriending the sentient beings of Europa encounters some extradimensional alien beings who then explain to him that due to higher dimensions that he cannot conceive of as a 3 dimensional being our ENTIRE UNIVERSE is tiny and limited compared to the higher dimensions, basically flipping in the other direction the "lessons" he had to teach the beings of Europa. It would from a literary standpoint be similar to GULLIVER'S TRAVELS in that story he goes from being tiny to being a giant by comparison and in this story he would go from teaching beings in a limited world how vast the universe is to then having to be taught how insignificant our universe is compared to the MULTIVERSE and HIGHER DIMENSIONS.
We need more science fiction stories with no evil villains and no terrifying dangers where its just about metaphysics and philosophy and open mindedness.
In a space opera setting I had once considered, I had a race of "Trappan" aliens from one of the goldilocks planets in the TRAPPIST-1 system, which were a kind of water-breathing amphibioid creature whose first contact with anyone was when we drilled down through the ice shell.
They were profoundly good at mathematics, but not so great with technology, since they never mastered fire or developed metallurgy.
That's an awesome idea
The Fermi paradox takes my breath away every day as I contemplate the possibilities
How the hell do other alien civilizations know who Fermi is?
They spied on our nuclear programs, duhh
They watch JMG.😀
they don't. it just so happens by the unlikeliest set of circumstances ever, that in every civilization a different being who just happens to spell and pronounce their name like that are the ones whose name becomes associated with the question. that's the real fermi paradox
Why don't they know?! Didn't they learn about him on Twitter?
today's word of the day is pedantic
It's a simple matter of distance - even if there were 100 civilizations like ours currently active in the galaxy, they could all be separated by thousands of light years.
I once came across one fascinating theory about how life could have evolved everywhere at once. In the early universe, the overall temperature was immensely high. But now, the universe is cold as can be. So there must have been a time period, when the overall temperature of outside universe and therefore planets was between 100 and 0 degrees celsius, which is when water is of liquid state and some chemical reactions can occur.
What if the first form of life evolved then and it froze. Like seeds, life was waiting on some planets and or meteors and comets for it to reach livable conditions once again. I found this theory truly amazing.
There was no water to be liquid at that time, only primordial hydrogen and helium.
I always wanted to know if bi-lateral symmetry is an earthbound phenomenon through mitosis or cell division? Or, is it ubiquitous throughout the galaxy and or universe at large? This has been on my mind since i was in 8th grade. Im 45 now lol
i would say it’s likely to be ubiquitous for third dimensional beings because of gravity. There’s an advantage to being asymmetrical north/south, but i would guess a symmetrical east/west is favorable in most cases. Just a guess though!
There are several species of flatfish that do not share our bilateral symmetry, having both eyes on one side of their head, and other differences. In fact, humans themselves aren't even truly symmetrical, internally, the liver, heart, gallbladder, are all on one side or the other.
So since it isn't even a hard 'rule' here on Earth, I don't see how it would be a rule on other planets.
Take an Octopus for example, they have a brain in their head, but they also have a simple brain in EACH of their limbs. They actually have 9 brains. Do they have consciousness? Are they aware of each other? Do they communicate? Life on Earth is absolutely mind bogglingly complex, if we ever find life elsewhere, I expect it will be inevitably compared to Earth life, as in 'Crab-like' (with an exoskeleton) or 'Octopus-like' (multi brained), or 'Humanoid' (bi-pedal) etc.
Just imagine a man sized armored bipedal creature with 5 brains and the ability to instantly camouflage into any background. LOL We have plenty of diversity right here at home. Sleep tight!
Well on earth we have many examples of creatures that do not show bi-lateral symmetry - for example the radial symmetry of starfish and so on. SO bi-lateral symmetry seems not to be related to mitosis.
It is probably ubiquitous due to the efficency of symmetry.
Im no biologist but if i understand correctly, all mammals show bilateral symmetry. It would be cool if life from elsewhere followed radial symmetry or even non symmetrical body plans. Im thinking something like a sentient starfish
Grokton, during lunch with colleagues during the Gashlornux Project: "So where is everyone?"
There are a several examples of tool using animals in the ocean. Hermit crab at the lowest, crabs using anemones for protection, octopuses using shells for protection (also being very dexterous and smart) and dolphins using sponges for protection supposedly. Hydrothermal vents can be used without having fire. Without math they aren't going anywhere, but maybe they could detect some version of the cosmos beneath the ice shell.
It's only been relatively recently that we've detected more than our senses allow, yet oceanic creatures know exactly what day it is and have much more of the electro magnetic spectrum available to them, at least on Earth.
Much of the more intelligent life in our seas originates from land initially. If seas of ice shell moon are as resource rich for more primitive life (eg fish etc) intelligence comparable to ours might not develop nearly as "quickly". Also based on our seas creatures that have sufficient limbs to do more advanced stuff life mostly at the seabed, which, if too deep would create additional problems. Also said deep sea creatures would unlikely to develop eyesight due to lack of light outside of bioluminecense. There are many factors hindering the advancement of technological civilizations, although emergence of intelligent life with brain structure complexity similar to ours wouldnt be really hindered as long as the enviroment encourages its evolution.
I think aliens transfer themself into nanobots and live in vr forever while floating around in space like dust, need less energy, and not detectable due to being so small.
I'm guessing aliens don't think about the Fermi paradox because they realize it is, in no way, a paradox.
So would Humanity if they bothered to pay attention to the UFO Phenomenon, and the Government collusion to try to hide the Alien presence. Scientists have a lot to answer for , ignoring the clear signals right in our own backyard.
And they don't know who Fermi was 😁
i think mitochondria may turn out to be the very unusual thing.
Mmm. Symbiosis. Eukaryotes instead of simple microbes. As far as we can tell, it's only happened once. Then again, it only really needed to happen once...
@BronzeDragon133 Happened at least twice...once for plants, once for animals.
One of the best channels ever. An absolute gift of a free education people spend hundreds of thousands on. Truly inspiring and outstanding as always.
I recently learned from a different UA-camr that I had potentially missed something fundamental about abiogensis since I began pondering it in high school in the late 90s. We think of the chances of life as we know it spawning in the universe as it exists now, but it's possible the universe was more conducive to abiogensis of earth-like life some time in its past.
I remember learning about this in my first year of university. I forgot if the most ideal habitable era already happened or if its in the future.
I also learned we live in the biggest void ever discovered. That blew my mind because we basically live in the middle Texas when there could be a New York out there that we have no idea about.
I think there are a few civilisations around in our galaxy but we can't see them. We used to think planets were rare until we got technology that could detect them now it turns out every star has planets.
By far the best episode you’ve ever done
There is a pbs special Steven Hawking and a theory for everything or something along the lines , but you music choice sounds so close and makes me feel nostalgic
I love and admire you man!
Thanks for the video. Excellent as always. Looking forward to the new book!
I was just about to check if you had posted any new videos lately, when I got a notification. That's funny 🤣
Wonderful video, John! I loved this one!
Here’s a psychological loop, if aliens were to hypothesize about the Fermi paradox as well as we do, then there could be a chance that since we both were to know about said hypothesis, we could both be friendly in that sense maybe
I’ve always found a certain beauty to our situation. Out here, all we have is each other. Our own slice of the universe. A perspective of which only we get to see.
Unless we are all on some alien national geographic show. Kinda like when we see humans swoop down on a helicopter and tag wild animals to track.
splendid isolation indeed.
However, the cynic in me would like to suggest that the universe looks the same wherever you are. Remember, there is no privileged position ...
though, to be fair, what you say is actually very poetic. As the guys who landed on the moon said, as they walked across its barren, dusty surface:
"it has a stark beauty all of its own"
Our privileged position is having a planet that hosts intelligent life. Until we find another, we'll be unique. @@richardconway6425
I truly enjoy his way of telling what the possibilities and probabilities of alien life is.... 👍👍👍... I have the lights out in the middle of a Florida night 🌃 and just relaxing.....listening......🙂
This video reminded me of the ”2001: A Space Odyssey" monkeys banging on the monolith moment. The moment that a cognizant species realizes that it may not be alone in the universe needs to have a name of its own, a word of its own.
Offer suggestions 👇
*Apes.
😁
383k is a lot of subs but man I see bs channels with a million, two million, etc. This channel should have way more.
Years ago when I was reading the newspaper in the funny section where they had comic strips like Bloom County and Garfield there was one (my favorite) called HERMAN by Jim Unger.
In the joke there were 2 bugs on a tree branch anthropomorphized for the purposes of humor and one of the bugs said to the other "do you believe in life on other trees?". The metaphor was so interesting that rather than think of the joke as "funny" I thought of it as philosophical.
I often ponder this idea myself 🤔 looking forward to this 🧐
Wow! Terrific work!
Double Wednesday upload! Thanks JMG and friends.
John - Have you ever read anything written by Jeremy England? Specifically he had an interesting hypothesis a few years ago about the origin of life. I can't come close to doing it justice here (and don't fully understand it). The basics was that life was the direct result of thermodynamics. This hypothesis always stuck with me because if it was true that would mean life was common and in all kinds of shapes and forms.
I have. That's known as dissipation-driven adaptation. As far as I know, it's still never been demonstrated, but it's still an open question.
Thanks JMG, was just about to settle for an old vsauce video until I noticed you posted 5 mins ago, now I can sleep 😂
This is my particular Fermi Paradox solution 👍
Time. The unimaginable size of the universe multiplied by the unfathomable lifetime of the universe makes it vastly unlikely to be (relatively) close to another civilisation at the same time
The Bootes void always makes me think we are seeing or not seeing an enormous alien signature of Dyson Sphere madness.
It's kind of interesting, but at 4:20 he mentions how earth has been like some of these ice shell moons and planets that might be out there and I can't help but wonder if some of the planets in our solar system and the moons particularly might have 10k year cycles of ice and maybe thawing that we just can't tell by distant observation. Maybe not even close up. After all, if we came across an ice shell planet in the middle of one of these cycles, would we be able to tell it was in the middle of an ice age?
One of your best
Loved this episode!
Always a treat, from JMG!
A day with an upload from JMG is a good day
In my personal opinion, this is one of your best, John-Michael. To put things in perspective - even if you could travel at a 1000 times or even 10,000 times the speed of life, most of the universe remains out of reach.
No
My fellow ancient aliens, lets hope that future archeologists from civilizations yet to be born in currently young galaxies, eventually find this video.
Always right on time. 😊
Perfect timing again Sir JMG and update on the book coming out? Can only read your others so many times 🤣
👍👍🚀🚀Thanks for another excellent video on this endlessly fascinating topic. The Fermi Paradox is simply my single favorite topic in science. More videos on this topic anytime, please. And after studying and considering the Fermi Paradox for a long time, I basically agree with you. I currently conclude intelligent, technological civilizations are very rare. And probably just as well. We are safer that way ( and so are they). Thanks again.
Imagine finding microbes on Mars and then finding out it came from Earth half a billion years ago and never finding life anywhere else
I bet theres some nerds on alien reddit two solar systems over debating if those anomalous signals comming from earth is life or some natural processes.
All of them are armchair experts, a concept that would probabally evolve in alien cultures too.
Some things occurred to me whilst listening to this:
1. Evolution is competitive, by it's very nature. It is the process which gives rise to exceptional creatures, perfectly adapted to their environment. Any intelligent species which evolved in such an environment, will have fear and curiosity programmed into them, at a very primitive level, just like us. It's not optional, it's a question of survival. Therefore it is unrealistic to imagine that intelligent aliens will not be interested in whether they are alone. Of course they will, it's potentially an existential issue.
2. Most of the intelligent life we see in the world's oceans, originally evolved on land, and migrated back into the water at some point. That's why we see air breathing mammals everywhere in the oceans. It's hard to imagine similarly intelligent animals living in permanent darkness under the ice shell of a moon. It's hard to imagine what advantages intelligence would offer in such an environment.
3. We believe that it's very likely that microbial life is everywhere in the universe. Abiogenesis happened very early on earth, and, if we are to believe the theory of 'late heavy bombardment', then that destroyed all life, only for abiogenesis to happen a *second* time very shortly afterwards. That is astonishing, and suggests that this kind of life is just everywhere in the universe, at least anywhere there is liquid water, and all that implies. This is really problematic, and part of the Fermi paradox. If microbial life is everywhere in the universe, then the necessary starting conditions for complex, intelligent life are everywhere. Given the scale of the universe, and the numbers involved, it makes it all the more baffling that we do not see any evidence for life. Just our own galaxy, statistically speaking, must offer so many opportunities for this.
It suggests that the concept of 'great filters' must be at play. Because of our observations of abiogenesis on our own planet, then this is not considered one of them. But the great leap from prokaryotic > eukaryotic cells *is* considered a very likely great filter.
In what were arguably the perfect conditions for life, this single crucial step took over 2 billion years to happen after the emergence of microbial life. Why did it take so long? And why did it happen? This single event is still considered a huge mystery to those who study the evolution of life on earth.
It is reasonable to assume, (I think), that this event, which paved the way towards complex, multicellular organisms, is equally unlikely anywhere, whether on earth, or some distant exoplanet. I believe that it is the strongest contender for being *the* great filter, at least in a young universe. But, it happened on earth, so given enough time, it should happen elsewhere. The rarity of this event, combined with the scale of the universe, means that if it did happen anywhere else, then that place is likely *very* far away. Millions of light years, I think. So now we get to a very simple fact. If the nearest intelligent, technological civilisation is indeed millions of light years away, then there is no good reason, in my view, why we should be aware of them. It's really that simple.
It makes no sense, whatsoever, that any intelligent species would be attracting attention to themselves, by broadcasting ultra powerful light or radio signals. The reasons for this are very rational and straightforward:
It would be very expensive, use vast amounts of energy, and entail no return on investment. If, in the extremely unlikely event that there was an ROI, it would arrive millions (yes, millions!) of years later. And, if all of that wasn't bad enough, any ROI might come with a very nasty surprise.
So, nobody does it. We will never do it, it's just too risky. And I don't think anyone else will. Unless ....
1. It's a honeytrap (which is a very scary possibility) - set by who, or what?... and why?
2. It's an 'end of life' distress call from a civilization facing imminent destruction, which would be tragic.
The Fermi 'paradox' is something I have thought about a lot, and, given what we now know, about life, the earth, and the universe we inhabit, I don't really consider it a paradox anymore. We live in a young universe, relatively speaking, and what we see, or rather what we don't see, is a perfectly natural consequence of many things, most of which we are now able to identify.
Sorry guys, but the simplest, most rational explanation is usually the correct one.
Fascinating subject indeed, John! Thanks! 😃
But yeah, there are too many possibilities, sometimes it's hard to get my mind around it...
Sometimes I think we should probably be alone, with a bunch of microorganisms all around... Other times I think it's possible to UFOs to be alien space craft! Confusing indeed...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I hit that notification faster than a western duel ,without even thinking just pure instinct,that was weird
Bro, it would be a mind blowing experience to sit with Mr Godier and smoke a joint and hear him talk about all this stuff and be able to ask him questions
Considering how massive the known universe is, my personal opinion is that our universe is teaming with life and that includes intelligent life.
I am of the opinion that life is everywhere, including animals, but advanced intelligence is extremely rare. Only a few advanced civilizations per galaxy. The rest is just animals.
We're also assuming some sort of human spark, sharing a similar care for aesthetics. But intelligence could develop without the need of consciousness, either biological or digital automata that looks for a better way to adapt without caring that much about how to feel about it.
I was literally just wondering if JMG had uploaded today... and right that second lol
7:02 that was a deep quote
Just the statistical part of the question is quite comforting to me. I really do think they exist, but just not nearby.
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"What form(s) does curiosity take?"
Such a majorly significant question, whenever considering the possibilities of "extraterrestrial intelligence."
Curiosity itself, in the broader sense as *we* understand/define it, might be a rarity among other 'sentient' beings.
The human version of 'curiosity' could be just a superfluous byproduct of our mental evolution that we for (the most part) have benefited from as a species. The thought of an advanced species, enough to be space-faring but lacking anything resembling 'human curiosity' makes me uneasy.
Edit: I should have listened to the last couple of minutes *before* submitting my comment.
I saw Grockton the Ample-Brained open for Primus in 97, great show.
Beautiful
I’d like to see a vid from you on bipedal aliens and the chances of another species evolving like that (maybe great filter) or if it’s more likely the things people see are related to us in some way
Thank you.
We might be so far apart that it is unlikely to impossible that we will ever hear each other through standard communications channels. And then interstellar travel might be just too difficult to impossible for us to just find each other versus hearing each other. And then, it might be a really bad idea to boost up our signals to the galaxy hoping we reach one of those civilizations (assuming we can only contact each other through EM signals) because there could be some very advanced civilizations out there who would rather just take us out instead. I think the best solution is just to keep listening (and using the entire EM spectrum rather than just radio) to find out the answers. Earth and its circumstances of the past 4.5 billion years might be just so rare across a whole galaxy that we are the only ones (or the only others are 50,000 light years away for example).
Even though the universe is big, i don't think anything close to us exists .
Yes,that’s exactly what I have been thinking for a while now, that the distances between civilisations are Incredibly vast, there could be only one civilisation per galaxy and getting in touch with others is not a easy task. Yet again our Milky Way could be packed with civilisations, the only problem is that all have the same hard time leaving their home planet as we have.
@@dantetomic7049 I believe that life itself is very common in the universe and I do NOT just mean microbes or viruses, I mean actual PLANTS AND ANIMALS but that technologically advanced life (at least equal to us) is absurdly rare. If you look at the totality of Earth life from a temporal stance you have between 4.2 and 4.5 billion years of life in some form but only several decades of technology capable of interstellar radio communication. 4.2 billion years of evolution and our world only managed to produce ONE species capable of that and we BARELY made it. We almost went extinct during the stone age and had we not barely squeaked by with only a few thousand humans back then you have to wonder how much longer it would have taken on our planet for a different species to rise to the level we are currently at? And how much longer are we going to last with how badly we are ruining our environment and the looming threat of nuclear war?
SETI seriously needs to find a way to find life on other worlds that does NOT involve getting a RADIO SIGNAL. I believe only a very tiny percentage of inhabited worlds are able to send and receive radio signals.
There’s also the factor of time. Two civilizations existing close enough and at the same time that they can communicate could be tiny.
We could boost our signals all we wanted, but it would still take hundreds to thousands of years for anyone to hear us, unless they happen to be very close.
Different background soundscape. Sounds good
Life may be common throughout the universe, but intelligent self aware life might just be a rarity.
Maybe, but we should be able to prove that soon with bio signatures we are already beginning to look for
It's weird... we laugh at the idea of a disk on 4 elephants on turtles all the way down... but then, we say the universe has a finite age and size...? That would imply that it exists in something greater than space and time. Either way, it's freaky
I think about the Fermi Paradox at least 10 to 15 times a day everyday
To one day finding life and intelligence, the answer may come when our presence in space becomes exponentially active and the more noticeable. We must still be unaware of some kind of frequency that is common in galactic civilizations. I think we're early and we're are charged with spreading, and even uplifting life forms throughout the galaxy.
Riding my motorcycle on the highway the other day, I noticed another biker flying down the other direction. We both were going 80mph+. We still glanced towards each other and nodded our helmets. It got me thinking of our world seeing another world seeing us one day as we fly through the cosmos, maybe in opposite directions.
To paraphrase Douglas Murray in his somewhat controversial book The War on the West, he argues that even among our own species, curiosity for other cultures had always remained very low, in most cases nonexistent.
The late philosopher George Steiner said he could never shake the thought from his head, the haunting fact that the boats only ever seemed to go out from Europe. The explorers the scholars the linguists, the people who wanted to discover other civilizations and indeed even resurrect ancient lost civilizations, by contrast, the boats never came from the other direction. Eygpt never sent scholars to help the Anglo-Saxons discover the origins of their language. Pondering the existence of alien civilizations might simply be a uniquely Western or Western-influenced phenomenon that's not entirely shared by other cultures be it terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
I think microbial life is more common than we think. Complex life far less often and creatures like us are so few that it would seem non-existent. You are of the rarest of gems. “The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.” HP Lovecraft
🐙 What about a video on Cthulhu-like creatures roaming the universe?
There are none. Maybe roaming on a comet or exoplanet, but not on its own.
Id imagine a self replicating AI could take the form of a roaming “monster” that thrives in the cold of space, devouring every civilization it comes across I have heard JMG mention this concept in past videos
That comes under the "silent forest" hypothesis. We don't hear from aliens because they remain quiet for fear of... the thing...
My best guess is that intelligence arises everywhere and all the time. But it is always relatively short-lived against the vastness of spacetime, and so intelligent species may truly be alone or nearly alone, for as long as they last. Do we think humans will last another 50,000 years? Seems doubtful. And yet this is a microscopic span of time.
I'm from a distant planet on which no life has ever developed. It is sad and bleak. There is no one here to have even the notion of the Fermi Paradox, since we don't even think that life itself is even possible. ☹️
Thanks man just in time for bed. Hope you've been well Mr. JMG ❤
brilliant,
John Michael GOD-Tier 🤯
our children [the sentient/conscious machine intelligence we are making] will carry the message of what humanity was far into the cosmos , maybe even until the very end of things in this universe ; if we are lucky , some of us will be able to transition/transform enough to join on the journey , regardless tho , it is very likely that our descendants will be traveling throughout the galaxy and beyond in the coming millennia
Like death, I don’t think we’ll ever find out if intelligent alien life exists. It’s like dipping your toe into the edge of the ocean looking for a great white shark.
The best 👌
I envision colonies of gastropods & crustaceans & isopods coexisting peacefully on a distant world. They would be inquisitive but kind, & their languages would have no word for "war."
They must never learn about our existence. It would be their end.
I just hope theyre sorta nice humanity needs a friend, and i feel like the advent of having a whole other host of beings to talk to and share ideas with would help humanity grow up a bit and we would feel the pressure of not being advanced which would push us hard to become as such one can only hope
Humans: we don't see evidence of alien civilization so they must not exist or hiding.
Earthworms: we don't see the international space station so it must not exist.
Are we alone yes, is there anything else out there OF COURSE. We have both answers which makes it EVEN MORE SCARY. Not only do we not see see anyone, but it’s near impossible to visit without wormholes or something, but there has to be life out there. I wonder why no one ever considers that we’re away both alone and not? Can have 2 outcomes?
i wonder 11:10 when the first guy was like "mh maybe there are other beeings like us out there?"
It's a common assumption/hypothesis that life in the universe is common but civilizations are rare. Experiments trying to create life in vitro suggests it's very hard for life to start spontaneously. Since Stanley Miller's famous experiment 70 years ago scientists have been trying and still haven't succeeded despite many attempts to provide "optimal" conditions. As yet we've no idea how life might spontaneously start. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that all life, including simple life is probably rare and very widely spaced?
Any chance we could get a hi-res version of the thumbnail?
The fact that this man is not as big as Veritasium is a crime against humanity 😢
This one I doubt, I feel like it's a defining feature to human science dogma. Once we find the first one I CANNOT wait. Oh god please be in my lifetime I can't wait.
It depends what's next in the Simulation we're in.
You remind me of myself, but i have this passion with time.
Just the musings of a simulation with an amusing glitchy way of terminating theeeeeeem.
How does potential time passage differences on a distant planet with life effect our finding them?
it just makes me think how incredibly lucky we are as a species. If we were reptiles or arboreal, herbivores/carnivores had no hands only hooves or even hands like other primates we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have or at least as easily.
I'm coming to the view (aided in no small part by JMG's videos) that the primary barriers to the emergence of detectable civilisations are the beginning and end of the process. It is one thing to have the conditions and raw materials for life, but it is another for complex organic chemistry to become anything more than that. The range of potential pathways those processes can take and the variables affecting them are super cosmically immense while true biological processes are excruciatingly specific. Similarly, the key elements for an industrial revolution pervade human history, but it was not until about 50'000 years after the appearance of behaviourally modern humans for all of them to come together in one place under the right historical circumstances in 18th century Europe. I am therefore disposed to believe that where life does manage to get crawling it soon starts running, but typically ends up running in circles for a long time before doing anything visible to the rest of the neigbourhood. In many cases, it will inevitably get timed out by nature before making the final lap.