Zen Stream vs Bluesound NODE
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Adrian and Vilip discuss and compare the sonic differences between the new iFi Zen Stream and the recently refreshed Bluesound NODE.
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I finally received my Ifi Zen Stream.
Suddenly we understood how this device works with its connections and different functions (I'm new to the world of streaming...), the sound reproduction is the equivalent of my records... and that even with my better versions in DSD or 24 bits.
This is where this device really shines.
It's true that with Tidal MQA via Denafrips Ares 2, Hegel H190, Focal Aria 926, I'm served to perfection.
You are a bit the reason for my purchase, thank you.
I must say that I was reluctant to come to the world of streaming, considering that it was a regression in terms of sound. I was mistaken.
I compared a DSD version of Patricia Barber, Café Blue on my USB key plugged into the Ifi and the Tidal signal (not even MQA...) and the difference was minimal. I did the same thing with Diana Krall, Turn up the quiet in DSD vs MQA version... I couldn't really tell the two apart!
From now on, the convenience and immense discotheque of streaming will outweigh the minimal sound difference. We got there!
The Ares II does not support MQA. How are you doing this with the Ares II? Myself, to play back a SACD in DSD natively I use a digital breakout box with my Oppo BDP-83 to strip the DSD signal out of the HDMI output to send that native DSD signal to my Ares II via coax, the sound is phenomenal. My CD playback, is also cleaner, I cannot tell the difference in tracks I play on the Oppo vs my 2021 Node which I run through the Denafrips Iris DDC via USB out to the Ares II via coax.
I have the Zen Stream and it sounds superb, a huge upgrade from a wired mac-usb-dac (including iFi’s signal cleaners) setup. And Tidal connect is by far the best sounding mode for operation, as it allows the audio stream to go directly from the internet to the streamer.
I have Roon and I don’t think it’s one size fits all.
Can you stream the music in your laptop with that Zen Stream?
I am believer. These guys are on point! I own the new Bluesound Node N130 usb. I just put 20 hrs on the Zen stream and no joke the Zen totally destroys the Node! Thanks guys!😊
My plan was to wait for ifi to release their app for the Stream and then decide whether to get the Node or the Stream, but now it's a no brainer. Thanks guys!
Don't be so easily fooled by what these two sales men say.
@@r423sdex They sell both products.
@@MordyVanunu And which one do they make the most profit on ?
@@r423sdex Both of these guys are very trustworthy and honest hey say it like it is of course they wanna make more money but that does not interfere with your true opinions
I am 67 years and I would never use an Alexa or similar device. But then I use CDs or SACDs because of my age and I live in rural Michigan outside Ann Arbor where only satellite internet is possible, and I grew up at a time when the books 1984 and Brave New World were popular. I like these folks and the view of Adrian that is a good thing to support charity. He is a good soul.
Here are my experiences after 1 hour with the device: Set up is indeed a bit confusing. You have to connect first via ethernet and update to the latest software before attempting to connect via wi-fi. The instructions and set up video should certainly be improved. BUT, once it's up and running I can say it's definitely a big improvement over the Bluesound Node 2i in terms of sound quality: clearer and more detailed, with a deeper soundstage, and just more engaging. I'm running the Zen Stream into a Denafrips Ares ii via USB, whereas with the Bluesound Node 2i I was using the coaxial output from the Bluesound. One user left a comment that he thought the USB output from the Zen Stream didn't sound very good but that has not been my experience at all.
I've heard that another significant increase in sound quality can be had by upgrading the stock power supply, either to an ifi product (too bad they don't include a better power supply with the unit), or to a linear power supply. So that's my next project.
I also own Node N130 USB and just ordered the Zen to see how good this unit is.
One of your best reviews that I have watched on your channel! Thank-you.
Hey guys, I've bought the ZenStream upon your advice and thank you. Although my comparison is an Audiolab 6000n, which is sadly enough very noisy, even after just unboxing the Zen Stream I can only concur with your findings. It is a really nice little device and it sounds amazing.
what do you mean by audiolab streamer being noisy???
@@sainaveenbali The one I had introduced noise to the signal, 'jitter'. The best way to describe it is that you hear that it ain't right but its hard to say where exactly, it just ain't 'quiet'. There was no 'ease' in the Audiolab, the ZenStream did much better. The Zenstream improved dramatically after a custom PSU.
@@edmaster3147 okie thanks for your reply. Now it's clear
Get a Linear Power Supply
i have moved from the Bluesound node 2i to the ifi streamer and i like the ifi very much, nice open, powerful sound, using usb out into smsl vmv D1se dac.
I want to like the ifi so much. When it works the sound quality is amazing for the price. It's simple and straight forward with connections. There's no bells and whistles that you are forced to buy. We're the headache begins is the operation interphase. It's not simple like the blue sound node with it's app. Plus there is many random technical issues. Almost like the unit is malfunctioning at times. Also I couldn't connect to the ifi zen stream with my phone. Seems to be built for a computer on the same network. With fiber optic so common in many of today's electronics. Was shocked that the ifi zen stream didn't feature a toslink spdif output. The blue sound node seems to be a more well rounded unit. Pairs well with NAD power amplifiers.
tell me about it, i sent 2 back and lost $$$ in the process. i think a Node with the PD Creative upgrade would trump the Zen Stream?
Great review. Really enjoyed it. I have the Node 2 with a SF Line 1 preamp and an Adcom GFA 555. Using the built in dac, it was okay playing wireless, but when I went from a hard drive through the usb port and coax through my SF SFD MKII, it really came alive. Blue OS is the primary reason I went for the Node. It’s very intuitive and just works.
Scusa la mia ignoranza, ma cosa vuol dire?
In pratica cosa hai fatto?
I put an ifi elite power supply with a decent power cable in front of the Zen Stream, HOLY CRAP, big surprise and improvment.
I wonder how the ifi Zen Stream compares to the Pro-ject Stream Box S2 Ultra. Intriguing....
😮Thanks for an incredibly helpful review, gentlemen! ☑️ Zen Stream added to the wish list!
Great point at 11:58
If there’s one thing that holds the Node back it’s the cheap built in power supply. There are numerous options available to upgrade that shortcoming that really makes the Node rise to another level sound wise. I recently installed one from PD Creative on my Node (N130) It was cost effective, very easy and the sound change is very noticeable which was a win win for me. Does it put it to the level of the Zen? I don’t know as I’ve never heard it but if you’re a fan of ease of use of the BluOS interface and want a one box sub $1K streaming solution the Node is still a wonderful option……notably as it’s currently on sale for $100 off
*Note: My understanding from other user reviews is the iFi Zen Stream no longer ships with the high quality iFi SMPSU and has been replaced by a generic SMPSU instead. I’m sure it will still sound great as the key is not having that built into the unit but the generic SMSPU is likely not as clean as the IFi unit it replaced so a slight degradation in sound might have occurred.
Mthks Adrian n Philip, I always valued yr opinions n enjoyed yr video. After watching yr video, I immediately upgraded my streaming source fm existing bluesound to tis Zen Stream. Very happy with it as audio upgrade is very considerable like u guys stated in yr video. Cheers.
Thank you so much for yet another outstanding review of a product in the "affordable zone". I had been looking for a streamer that would meet my needs and budget, and this streamer met both (and exceeded my requirements).
I picked one up the other day and your reviews were spot on. Great work guys!
"Subbed.... 👽✌️"
I use a Bluesound Node 2i connected to my Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ and it sounds wonderful. I subscribe to Tidal with MQA and Sirius XM. They both work great with BluOS. I also run ROON off an old Sony VAIO laptop.
The Bluesound Node 2i is a great product and good enough for my old ears👍
Often we only realize how much better music can sound when played through a superior piece of equipment.
Your Roon Issue is more likely caused by your network infrastructure. If you use managed/smart network switch, enable Flow Control on the port used by Roon Endpoint. I would recommend using unmanaged network switch.
OMG, finally someone that recognizes how unstable ROON is! I love the features but simply HATE how often it freezes. I can’t believe thery want $699 for the software when one can buy the Bluesound Node for $150 less!
That's why I bought the Node! I don't want the hassle. I also love how the Node comes with HDMI ARC for the TV. No streamer offers that under 1000€.
I just bought the Node less than a week ago. I wanted a DAC since I didnt have one and didnt want to spend more than $500, I saw the streaming capabilities as a bonus. After getting home I realize, you cannot use the Node as a DAC. I cannot connect my laptop to the Node and play youtube through my stereo because the USB port on the Node is digital output only. I felt a bit cheated as that was the primary purpose. But as I started trying the BlueOS app with a Tidal test subscription, I really like the simplicity and easy access to music through the presets you can add, whereby you can just walk up to the Node and push one of the presets and it instantly starts playing that radio station or Tidal playlist. So I really like it and for the money it is probably a better deal than buying the Zen stream and a separate DAC for the same total budget. But it would be nice to hear how the internal DAC stacks against some external DACs, like for example SMSL M300. Or would the iFi Zen Stream + SMSL M300 sound significantly better than the Node?
They are updating the usb via automatic firmware. Suppose to be happening relatively soon.
Not too many reviews comparing the Node’s streamer section but luckily for you there are quite a few out there comparing it’s DAC. Never tried the M300 but did try quite a few. In my experience, I found it very hard to beat that internal DAC without spending more than $500. Otherwise you’re not really getting “better” but perhaps a sonic signature that you prefer or that suits your system better. For me until I got to a Burson or a Bifrost I can’t say that I saw improvements all around without some compromise.
@@audiorick841 Okay, I never tried any other DACs and frankly my system isnt very developed and my general experience of HIFI niether. For a pure DAC around the $4-500 range I understand that the Chord Mojo is highly regarded but I dont like the look and portability, I want something stationary that doesnt look like a toy. And I feel Bluesound made a much better looking product than the iFi as well. I was hoping to achive Chord Mojo DAC performance with some streaming capability as a bonus, do you have experience with the Mojo to make a comparison to the Nodes DAC?
@@bingoberra18 I have no experience with the mojo. I read that it is a fairly resolving DAC, The only experience I can share is that I made the mistake to pair an overly resolving DAC with resolving efficent speakers (PS audio Stellar with Tekton DI), it was too harsh on the top end. I had to reconfigure.
All that to say I would also take in consideration the system you have, do you have a very mid and treble oriented amp and speakers. If the case, the mojo might be a bit much. Otherwise if you have a neutral or laid-back gear set up, the mojo might do well. Just a thought.
On the other hand if you need some thing still resolving but a bit more laid-back I find my Modi Multibit and Bifrost are good. I run into an A B configuration the multi bit and the Node DAC. Slight difference but you really have to pay attention. At that price it’s hardly worth investing from Node to Modi. To Bifrost though easier to notice the improvement.
If I needed more top end clarity I would try the mojo if my system was already pretty resolving I would try the Bifrost.
I own both the Stream and a new Node. I have used the Node for my main system, the Stream for my headphone system. I may have to rethink this. The Stream is remarkably clean, very well built product.
I own the Node, 2021... Only a few folks have heard it in my system, folks that haven't tell me I need to upgrade as the Node sounds like crap? It matches the sound I am getting out of my SACD/CD transport using a digital breakout box to strip the digital signal out of the HDMI cables sending it to the Ares II via coax, I can get the native DSD signal to my DAC using this method. The Node is running through the Denafrips Iris DDC via USB and then to the Ares II DAC via coax cable. I have Mogami W3082 wire and the Audioquest Cinnamon cables, I hear no difference between the two coaxial cables. And, it is easy to do SQ comparisons with the touch of a button on the Ares II.
A bad recording on CD sounds like the same bad recording on the Node. A great recording sounds fantastic on both. I have A/B tested a few times, and hear no difference. So, does the Zen or the Node change the digital signature of the source material? The Zen is supposed to sound better, how exactly does this accomplish this? Or is it simply the connections on either units not being executed properly or better than the other? Poor quality control in the manufacturing process that changes the sound?
I have had other streamers, they all sound the same to me, the Node replaced the extremely buggy Cambridge Audio CXN v2. SQ wise, they were both excellent, but I cannot say one sounded better than the other on my system. And I was not using either units internal DACs, as I am very sensitive to digital noise that these chip DACs produce.
What am I missing?
My system, Denafirps Iris DDC, Ares II, Hades preamp, Thallo amp, KLH Model 5 speakers. Oppo BDP-83 BD/SACD player as a transport, using the GeerFab digital breakout box. Node via USB to the Iris DDC and then out via coax to the Ares II. Two SVS SB3000 dialed in subs.
I have both. With a regulated PSU for both. It opens up the soundstage, clarity, and darker background. The n130 has a smoother sound signature and is paired well with system that has too many details and fatiguing.
I have both. I could never get the Zen to set up correctly. Extremely frustrating.
I’ve never ever had issues with Roon Labs, it’s brilliant.
Summary: If you do have an external DAC, use Zen. But if you don't have an external DAC, the Bluesound Node is a great option that won't break the bank.
100% percent
Finally, a review that talks about the streaming section of the Node!
All the reviews talk about combined streamer/DAC which we all know the DAC is workable but easily upgraded. I have three Nodes which I use with external DAC (via Coax) so I am very happy to hear a comparison of the streamer only.
Well, sort of happy because it means I have to buy an ifi streamer now 😉
I think you have way too many streamers🥺
+100.000
@@stephencosta6814 Multiroom buddy. Also hooked one Powernode, and 3 Rpi streamers ($65 each) running on Roon. Much better than my old Sonos 🙂
Music everywhere and one streamer hooked to a good system when its time to sit in a chair and enjoy 2 channel only and relax. Happy with Bluesound and Rpi but always looking for a “better” streamer that doesn’t cost a fortune for my critical listening system. Wallet already hurts enough with 7 zones playing in the house LoL 😆
Enjoy your bluesounds. I heard the ifi zen streamer vs the bluesound and the sound isn't that much different...minimal at best. And that minimal is very subjective.
Go right ahead enjoy your music that’s what it’s all about
PS I cannot complain I have a blue sound node 2i
I agree with both of you that the sound quality is great on ifi stream but there are also many glitches with the ifi stream...as a matter of fact I'm having to replace my ifi stream that I only had for a few days...it will not power up...🤪
Was looking for a U1 mini but after this review ordered the IFI Zen Stream. Should have by Friday. Replacing Node 2i. Update. It is very good and better than Node2i but honestly I’ve already had a lot of buggy connection issues.
i have had 2 Zen Streams in the last 3 months. they sound good, but in the both where returned. just buggy software loosing connections. IFI could have done a better job with these. misery loves company
Just wifi issues or wired? Thanks.
I have poor wifi strength in the Boonies Alaska and the BlueOS does NOT work well. So I bought an original Auralic Altier and it worked where BluOS did not. It gave me an opportunity to try to work with Bluesound support for a few months before getting rid of the Bluesound Node and Vault. It is not like Apple support where you simply call. You email Bluesound, then they try to help by trading emails. Of course days goes by when they give up and make an appointment to call you at home. From the Auralic, I learned that using Tidal is better not with the extra level of the BluOS app. I prefer to simply hard wire the iPad to a good dac to using the Bluesound.
Suck it up Angus , yellow is a great track too I'm definitely thinking of the Ifi Zen Stream but with a Linear Power Supply I think you two convinced sadly I'm in Aus
Great video as usual. Have the Node2i and the Project Streambox Ultra. The latter sounds significantly better but you cant beat Blue OS for stability and ease of use. Would be interesting to hear how the Zen stream compares to the Streambox Ultra.
I bought one of these 2 years late lol based on this video. It replaces an old outgoing Mac mini using optical. Honestly they sounds about the same. The zen with tidal vs the Mac with Apple Music is pretty close. The zen with tidal has a bit more detail is say the 7-10khz range. But the apple seems to have a bit harder impact in the 80-100hz range. Very close and splitting hairs.
All in all I like the zen stream unit and plan to keep it as my Mac is very old now.
So i went to buy the ifi zen based on this review. But it has crackles when playing music and it was still there after the update. I returned it and listened to Jay and got my self a hifi Rose rs150 .
Thanks for the great review once again as you may have saved me some money
The Zen Stream sounded better because you were using a better DAC than what the still good Blue Node offers. How much is the Hegel DAC?
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I have the new Node. Usually run it through DAC in my Marantz Ruby CD player, use Node’s DAC only for MQA on Tidal. Two questions. 1 Does the Zen easily stream Qobuz? 2 And if I purchase and install Roon on my iPad am I good to go with the Zen, or does Roon need to reside somewhere other than my iPad?
To use Roon, you need to run Roon Core in addition to the Roon Endpoint App on an iOS device like an iPad. Roon Core needs to reside on a "Server" - could be a desktop or laptop computer, could be something like a Linux NUC (Roon Nucleus is an example), could be an Innuos (Zenmini, Zen, Zenith, Statement).
Otherwise, qobuz needs to be supported by the software you use to control the Zen Stream. We'll see what streaming services the upcoming ifi App supports.
Thanks Vilip, this is very helpful. I will look at the setup video, but it looks like in the absence of Roon, I would need to control the device from the Tidal app (and not be able to acces Qobuz).
I'm watching two years later, were you talking about the NEO streamer?
But what about functionality? Which one works better and has more plug and go capabilities? If you stream amazon HD and quobuz exclusively which just works right out of the box and you can control with your phone or ipad without having to go bluetooth or airplay?
Wow! I have a Bluesound Node 2i, and have been looking to upgrade to something that allows USB output. Was thinking it would be the newer version of the Bluesound Node, but from your review, sounds like the ifi ZenStream is the way to go. Would you recommend an upgraded separate power supply as well?
Hey Joshua! Obviously feel free to wait for a reply from the creators of a video, but if it helps, I'm actually doing a direct comparison of the Bluesound Node (newest version) and ifi Zen Stream in my own highly sensitive system (DAVE, Mscaler, Focal Utopia, etc). I cannot stress enough that the two outputs on the Zen Stream (USB vs Coax) are VERY different sounding. Note in the video they use the coax out. The coax out on the zen stream is fantastic, and clearly better than the BS Node coax out. The USB, however, is quite bad on the zen stream. One of the worst USB outputs I've heard. The BS Node has a better USB, though neither is spectacular. By better, I mean a blacker background and less digital "glare". Hope this helps!
@@zemessargs Hi Andris. Thanks for sharing your experience. That's quite odd about the USB output sounding bad. My understanding is that the USB with the right DAC should sound the best. I'm basing this understanding from this video by British Audiophile (ua-cam.com/video/3tKWWs-OMxw/v-deo.html). So, hearing that the USB output is bad is disappointing - makes me want to hold off buying the Zen Stream. Have you thought about using something like a Denafrips Iris to turn the signal into an I squared signal before going into your DAC, assuming your DAC is compatible with that? That apparently is the best.
@@joshuaschneck I've thought about it, but am trying to avoid yet another box. I'd be more willing to spend more on an exceptional source streamer rather than add a digital-to-digital in the middle. For what it's worth, I also have a Chord 2go/2yu which has the best USB of the Zen Stream / BlueSound Node / Chord trio - but it's also WAY more expensive. But yeah, I'm bummed too about the Zen's USB. For context, I'd rank them about like this: Zen Coax: A, Chord Coax: A-, BSNode Coax: A-, Chord USB: B+, BSNode USB: C, Zen USB: D. I'm debating myself whether I want to keep the Zen, which has amazing coax performance, esp for that price point, but essentially sacrifice my ability/willingness to ever use USB from it. My alternate choice would be the Chord 2go/2yu, knowing it's the best USB and almost the best coax, but I have to always know I let the slightly better coax go...
@@zemessargs Here are my experiences after 1 hour with the device: Set up is indeed a bit confusing. You have to connect first via ethernet and update to the latest software before attempting to connect via wi-fi. The instructions and set up video should certainly be improved. BUT, once it's up and running I can say it's definitely a big improvement over the Bluesound Node 2i in terms of sound quality: clearer and more detailed, with a deeper soundstage, and just more engaging. I'm running the Zen Stream into a Denafrips Ares ii via USB, whereas with the Bluesound Node 2i I was using the coaxial output from the Bluesound.
Andris, you say the USB output from the Zen Stream didn't sound very good but that has not been my experience at all.
I've heard that another significant increase in sound quality can be had by upgrading the stock power supply, either to an ifi product (too bad they don't include a better power supply with the unit), or to a linear power supply. So that's my next project.
@@joshuaschneck question what was the significant improvement you are hearing? I am a/b testing with the new Node I already owned and they sound almost identical was hoping to hear an improvement in the zen but I don’t hear it? Note it came with the default power supply in reading that may contribute.. however I think my dac will produce the same sound struggling to hear the differences I’m reading about ? Thanks.
This was very usefull! Buying the ifi for sure! Already have a dac :)
The Zen Stream not having a DAC is a bonus and not a negative. I think spending large amounts of money on the "chip of the month" is a waste of money. I think your preamp and amp should be as vanilla as possible. I'm willing to give-in as to a remote, but that is about it. Separates make replacing the old "greatest chip in the world" with the new "greatest chip in the world" cheaper. Good Review.
I bought a zen on your review as I was considering the Node
Siri and Google also listen to you all the time (no cellphone???). I have just come to grips with there is no privicy.
Great video. I bought the Zen Stream yesterday and agree that it's better than the node 2i in my system.
Roon works fine for me it is most likely the networking, I hard wire all my endpoints
The sound from the coax out of the ifi is apparently very good - but don't use the usb out as it's not as good.
Speaking of innuos, when are you guys going to review their new software that lets you access music very similar to roon…but more stable
Thanks for great comparison of the two! Now, what usb cable did you use with the Zen Stream?
Great review as always Guys. Just wanted to know what power supply you used with the ifi Zen streamer? Was it the 'iFi Power X' or 'iFi Elite' power supply or something else? Thanks
I'm also curious!
I have the Hegel H190+Denafrips Ares 2 dac and i will buy the IfiZen Stream for the Tidal service that i will get free from a friend of mine. I copied my DSD and 24 bits records to him in exchange of this. Thanks for the video and for Tidal to get the MQA format.
Another interest review between the Stream and Node is to use the USB interface of both devices connected to a DAC with good clock. With a good clock on the DAC, you may or may not hear a big difference.
The Node does not have USB out. So, no…
Usb out coming soon.
I have a basic question. We’re talking about just the digital streams but you guys are using the same adjectives such as warm, detail, quite etc. which are used for dacs, speakers, amplifiers, preamplifiers and so on. So at the end how do you know what is contributing to the final music?
I loved the Zen Stream unboxing video!!!
We will have an additional Zen Stream video - for your viewing pleasure and annoyance!
@@vilipmak3973 GREATTTT!!!!
You loved a video of something being unboxed !.
Thanks for the review. The AQ Diamond cable is worth the money.
Agree with Vilip…in fact, I won’t purchase a Bluesound device because of the Google/Amazon snooping.
Ordered zen stream on 11.11
Been eyeing for a streamer for so long as ive been really annoyed with source (mainly laptop/desktop/ipad/phone) which lead to different sounding even with the same dac and amp
I’ll have read more about the Zen Stream and watch your review again but I don’t remember hearing either of you mention what phone, tablet or computer application to use for streaming Qobuz, Tidal etc on the Zen. The BlueSound BluOS is second only to Roon in my humble opinion and I haven’t had any issues that you’ve had when using Roon. Maybe this is because I use a Roon Nucleus as both the Roon Core and streamer. It’s connected to my router via Ethernet cable and the Nucleus is connected to my PS Audio GainCell DAC preamp via an AudioQuest carbon USB cable. Sounds wonderful. In fact if you have a Nucleus in the shop hard wire it to a router then connect it via USB to a DAC or integrated amp with an internal DAC. I bet doing this you’re uses with Roon will disappear.
I have a similar set up to you minus the Nucleus +6 other zones. I also had Roon instability issues until I hooked every endpoint to a LAN cable. Even if every end point’s wireless was showing full signal. As fantastic as the bluesound products are, I find that their wireless is not the best. Maybe they need a mesh system like Sonos LOL. And Roon is picky if one endpoint misses a single beat (or data packets should I say), it stops all zones.
Once everything was hooked up to a LAN cable and dedicated Roon server (NUC) no more issue. Even using a Microsoft surface dial for volume control and it never fails.
I have to say that Roon is seriously challenged by the “free” BluOS app. The only difference is that Roon doesn’t tie you to Bluesound/Nad products only.
I read the Zen stream is RoonReady, may give it a try after this good review 🙂
Whatever control device we use is just that - a control device - none of the stream should be routed through them. So, obviously Roon. We also have MConnect HD available to use on our iPad. And Tidal Connect and Angus has Spotify Connect since he uses Spotify as well.
@@audiorick841 I have to say "not". BlueOS is stable, has lots of options, etc. AND it doesn't sound as good (as ROON). The sound is OK.
@@vilipmak3973 Agreed
Just discovered your site. Subscribed. 👍
You guys dislike ROON!?? Have owned / used ROON essentially since very early release. Have 7 endpoints in home, two old notebooks running ROON Bridge and a SGC SonicTransporter as my server. Some endpoints are Wi-Fi and some are CAT5e hardwired through to 8-port routers. Absolutely no issues over the near 4 years. Surprised at your ROON challenges.
Thanks for this ifi video! 👍
I’m in California. I’ve been using Roon for a few years with the Simaudio Moon Mind II. The connection is stable here. Even when I change songs in the middle of tracks. I compared it to the Blue Sound Node 2. Hands down the Moon was way better in all regards as far as sound quality. Btw IFI has a new power supply. The Ipower Elite is excellent. It’s replacing higher priced power supplies I used from other manufacturers. I use them on my modem and router. I suggest you give them a try. They put out more amps than than then the little wall wart power supply from ifi which the modem and router need.
IFI has stopped shipping the Zen Stream with theIr Ipower adaptors, but are shipping with generic 9v. adaptors instead in their latest units. i do not know why the change. but the Zen Stream is very very good IMHO
Can someone tell me what ifi power supply and voltage should be used with the zen stream?? Ifi makes several at different voltages (9-15v) and it’s not clear from the zen stream specs which is best. Thanks!
I think 9v but google'it
How do you compare ifi zen Streaming to Hegel H390 internal streaming using Mconnect ?
The Zen Stream is much better.
@@vilipmak3973 thank you ! I should buy this
Doesn't do Qobuz though?
I run my node 2i through my Emotiva stealth dc1 via coaxial input and it is more detailed and punchier. When MQA is streamed through the emotiva it says 88khz on the display so it seems to be playing the higher resolution signal? I don't know but it sounds better than the node 2i dac anyway.
I used to not feel as comfortable of the audio assistant but I realized that's just how to world is going to be, so I adapted (gave in) They shouldn't be uploaded / recording when it's not being requested, I believe we should try to regulate the privacy issue around it, instead of against the technology that could help improve our life.
another great review. Cheers.
I plan to use this as digital streaming transport to my Macintosh C49 preamp (DAC) and MC152 Amp, HERESY III speakers. Opinions? Thanks
Can't comment on the node but purchased a Zen Stream and sent it back. Don't know if this was a poor sample but couldn't update the firmware - it just kept stalling at 40%, and wi-fi was really problematical - just very hit and miss. I normally use the SOtM S-200 into Mytek Booklyn Dac+ so when the Zen Stream worked is was the equal SQ wise of the SOtM but just not as stable.
Our demo unit was also stuck - until it wasn't - probably something to do with ifi - our demo now updated to 2.29.3 - they seemed to have worked out the install bottlenecks. You kinda have to stick with it and then be rewarded with an up-to-date Zen Stream. So, have a little patience.
@@vilipmak3973 Yeah well after 3 days of trying to update firmware unsuccessfully I ran out of patience. This was supposed to be a plug and play device. It may be a trivial cost in comparison to most of the other hi-fi kit you sell but to some of us £400 is still a sizeable sum of money for which we expect something that works out of the box.
Yea I had the same issue also the Zen would freeze or crash regularly. Roon although it worked was the only thing that did then came the latest update it basically killed the Zen so I sent it back for a full refund. It's flawed and software is really bad. Volumio has killed the basic software for this device and started again but Ifi has continued with it but it won't work. So no will not be patient with it it's supposed to work out of the box not at sometime in the future.
@@robintaylor3633 I went for a Node in the end and it works and sounds great. Only issue I have with it is the USB out is not functional awaiting firmware update. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with kit sold not fully developed.
@@andrewaldridge4260 Hello,, I thought the USB output was fixed long ago from some of the newest reviews I’ve recently watched.. So it still just reads & plays Thumb drives or a connected hard drive thru computer but not send 192K music thru a music service?
I want to use the streamer with my Hegel H360 and the integrated DAC.
Would you still suggest the IFI Zen Stream as the best option for me.?
First time watching, as i'm only newly interested in buying my first streaming device. Your enthusiasm for the Zen is compelling. I wasn't really watching as you showed the Zen, and at the conclusion of the video, i went to your site to look at it and its price... and i was struck by just how ugly it is! This is just a product i would hate to have in my home/system. The "STREAM" font across the front just looks pathetic and cheap. Granted, i'm a designer, and i'm sensitive to such matters, but christ on a bike-what the hell? // So, now that we're approaching a year past this original video date, maybe there's another option? Better than the Bluesound Node, which i had been advised to purchase? And if i need a DAC to go along with this updated recommendation, could you note that, as well?
This is a great review! Are you guys going to compare the ifi with the Sotm Ultra? I understand they are from different price points! But as you guys thinks the zen stream is so good I’m just curious how would it compare to the sotm. Btw I do own the zen steam! 👍🏻
can one connect an external hd to this unit if its formatted with apple Itunes lossless files?- would like to stop using my mac mini for this purpose
Yes - the top USB port can accommodate a formatted drive. The rest will depend on your software. It will interesting to see how ifi structures their app for playback of local files. The Volumio-based web page setup will allow you to catalog music files accessible to the Zen Stream. If you're referring to the Node, it can also be used in the same or similar ways.
Great job again guys. Does that mean i could use the dac of the 2i in combinaison with the ifi stream?
Well, It is your fault you guys, I bougth this unit and listen to it for these last few months....coming from Sono lended to me, it is night & day , it is as you mentioned a physical improvement, but you better have the amp and the rest of the system up to the level of this unit to realise it. Thanks for your video, actually the only one reliable I found, I am a happy camper, it is what I was after.
Mobile phones also listen to you all the time. Try talking to someone on a random subject, take bbq’s for instance. It wont take long before all kinds of bbq adds will pop-up.
That aside, do you know if the zen stream is airplay 2 compatible?
i bought 2 Zen streams and had to send back both to the retailer in Singapore. could not get it to to work without loosing the connection. tried for 2 months, but sounds great when it works. this product was brought to the market way to early, promised software still not delivered. insult to injury, TREO in Singapore wants to keep half of my money for a restocking fee!!! on a defective unit. beware Singapore is not the States. i have asked IFI to try and get my money back, but i am not holding my breath. miserable experience. can you guy's recommend something better? just need a transport. how would it compare to the Lumin U1 Mini? thanks
Great to see a really good way to get into streaming without breaking the bank for something that will probably be obsolete and worthless in a few years. But I’m guessing that the younger generation that insists on being paid in Bitcoin doesn’t want to be eavesdropped on by their devices.
bought the Zen stream on Vilip's recommendation and was really impressed, switching from a cocktail audio X12 to this unit and floored at the sonic difference. I have the iFi Zen DAC signature on order, Vilip was very kind to loan me a DAC until the Zen arrives. Highly suggest getting the Stream!
how do you like the ifi streamer and zen signature dac together? i was thinking about getting the same setup…
@@chipaway my DAC is still on back order so at this time I am only using the STREAM and a borrowed DAC but its sounds really excellent.
@@robandrews4925 Have you tested the Zen Stream + Zec Dac Signature combo yet? Sounds like an interesting set up
@@vitorgoncalves6289 I have the Zen DAC Signature 2 hooked up now with the stream and the sound is amazing!! especially when playing MQA files from Tidal. I recommend this combination
@@robandrews4925 Thanks for sharing
I own the the Node 130 and your description of the cowboy junkies song got be very interested. Did you guys try USB out?
I'm a finicky audiophile. The Zen Stream is the first component anyone should get acquiring a system, feeding Tidal to a $499 Pro-Ject Project prebox S2...the performance exceeds the Lumin T2 with modified power supply...people don't take the prebox S2 seriously...the MQA performance will convert skeptics. Mine was modified by stereo Dave's in Portland Oregon for a song... There's a reason stereophile has it as an A rated solution... See anything else A rated for $499. I'm telling you I lived with the Lumin for a while. If there is digital better than the iFi>Prebox combo, it's probably a matter of taste.
How is the music app accessing music? I read not as stable as Blusound.
I will buy this gear thank you
I agree! Zen=Pure Music!
Great comparison. I currently have the Node 2i and it suits my purposes. Using external DAC. The Bluesound app is great. I preferred the Amazon app but for some reason I could never playback better than 16/44.1khz. I apologize for my lack of understanding all things digital but are all music services available if using the IFI Stream? I use Amazon HD and I notice many streamers don’t list Amazon as an available service but they most always list Tidal or Qobuz and a few others. I’m a slow learner 😒
On another note, we have either Alexa or Echo in every room in the house. Wife’s idea. I hate it! I’m an old guy
I am looking for advice , what dac to use with the ifizen ?
I would recommend a Dac with an usb input. Any from Schiit from Bifrost up would do.
Thanks for the comparison. I've been considering replacing my original Node2 with the Lumin U1 mini for a while, and after watching your video, has made up my mind and ordered the Ifi Stream. Save me some money to improve the sound quality from the Node2. Thank you.
i tried to get 2 to work. now considering the LUMIN
Try running your Roon server on a Mac Mini with M1 chip. Relatively inexpensive and solved all of my reliability problems. All of my devices connect immediately and I think my endpoints sound a little better vs my prior Windows based server that had a beefy GPU in it.
An external power supply for the Node 2i made a huge difference in my system. Even using the internal DAC. The sound just bloomed. When the new Node gets the 3rd party upgrade available I will get one and move the 2i to my office system,
Power Supplies are KINGS!
Any suggestions on a good power supply for the node 2i
@@geraldgreene5563 PS is built into Node - so, any better PS would require either replacing or bypassing the internal ps. Essentially it is not worth it. Buy a better streamer.
@@vilipmak3973 right.. thank you . Would you recommend the zen , Lumin u1 mini , or the innos mini
Thanks again for your great videos and information
@@vilipmak3973 just to follow up Vilip I have a chord qute 2 dac. So I won’t need a streamer with a built in dac
Thanks
The spdif coax input is the best comnection for the Zen stream??
was saving for a innuos zen mk3, will check this out maybe I save me some of my hard earned money.
I have the same problems whit Roon! I like the app but it crashes every time.
Well the stream has the ifi purifier built in. That could account for the differences. I got the stream a week ago; feeding a topping d90 into an upgraded pass xa25 driving pro ac response 1.5s. Nice.
What does the purifier do ?. Probably nothing, but that's how you sell.
Digital signals have to be handled carefully as timing errors (jitter) can be introduced. The one place good cable can make a difference, and also any specific jitter reducer like the purifier.
👍I’m wondering did you guys do any comparisons on $1000 dacs would be beautiful to hear use talk about them
We do have for sale ifi products in and around $1,000 (CAD). We like most of them. DACs at the $1,000 mark are hard to find for the store. I know, I know… what about this or that… a lot of that stuff is sold direct.
Thanks!
I agree. I don't want alexa devices listening to everything either. It's creepy. And years from now with all these devices in every home I fear we will find out they have been listening to EVERYTHING all the time and passing it back to the mothership at Google hq.
Great video guys ,how long does it take to break in Zen stream
Thank You.
Rally I have doubts about the IFi Zen Streamer and its price whe it hasn't a DAC.
You have more than clear that is superior... OK, perhaps it is.
Regarding Google Home and Alexa... I think your are mistaken.
That devices are in standby mode. No recording, no sending any information. When you say the keyword ( OK Google or Alexa) it activates the device and then is when is listening to you.
Thanks for making these videos. I like your channel a lot! My favourites are your commentary on high-end Sonus Faber, Willson Audio and Mcintosh products. I would love to hear your takes on the latest high-end streaming from the likes of Antipodes Audio K50, Taiko Audio SGM Extreme or top Auralic, DcS, Innous streamers together with high end networks switches like Ansuz D·TC SUPREME Power Switch, Innuos Phoenix Net, Melco S100. How does this new generation high end digital gear compare to the best of analog like the Clear Audio monster turntable that you show in every intro 😀.
It's Roon, same issue in Atlanta as far as the hang up
Can I connect my laptop directly to the ifi steamer?
What is better..?Laptop to I2S converter to DAC or Streamer to DAC?
I'm curious, bought a zen blue when they came out for $128 us. I bypass the dac and use my sonnet dac. Reason was the streaming off my phone. What does this zen stream do that the zen blue doesn't for probably twice the price
Well, it bypasses your phone. It is a true streamer and not a Bluetooth receiver. If you like the way the Zen Blue sounds, you will be amazed with how much better the Zen Stream sounds. Bits are not just bits…