Why Innuos Zen Mini Mk3 To IFI Zen Streamer? How I Stream Music in My Home Audio System
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- I am considering switching from innuos zen mini mk3 audiophile streamer to the ifi zen stream in order to simply streaming music in my home audio system...
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Hey guys, Let me know how you are (or planning) to stream music in your home audio systems and click the Like button on the video. When it reached 2k likes, I will either get Ifi to give away a unit OR buy it myself to give it away.
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I believe the iFi Stream would be an SQ improvement over my Node2i.
@@richardhernandez7741Yes, but worlds different with the linear PSU.
If this is better than node 2i in terms of audio Quality, I will really get one!!!
Just upgraded from Zen Mini Mk 3 to Zenith Mk3, the difference was just wow! Planning to add a Phoenix network switch too, oh and also just got the Holo May dac 😍
Just sent the innuos to me, so i can test it 😉
One year ago I've chose Innuos Zen Mini MK3 as my digital transport because it was the best option available for my needs: CD ripper, music storage (I have over 1000 album bought from Bandcamp), quality of sound and Roon Core. Short after I've bought it Innuos released InnuOS 2 operation system. It changed my approach to my digital music: I really don't need anymore Roon, InnuOS 2.0 can do by itself everything I need. I've overcome the problem of distance of Zen Mini form my Router with a little WiFi relay which has an ethernet exit. To my needs the Zen Mini has everything I need with the InnuOS 2.0 operating system. I totally get your point: everyone of us has his own priorities and the connectivity side of the Innuos can be fiddling in situations like the ones you described and Ifi connectivity is so much more easy both on hardware and software side. My needs are quality of sound ( for this reason I use the separate LPSU on the Zen Mini), easy and stressless CD ripping, access for the whole family to the system (you can do that with Innuos Sense app). Innuos is going to release InnuOS 2.1 which will improve many functions and I've added many plugins to my Zen Mini using the LMS based system. Have you tried the last thing? You obviously need a Logitech Media Server Account. Then you can simply add ":9000" to the IP address of your Innuos Zen Mini and add many useful plugins to it. Anyway Jay, whatever you choose you won't regret it: two great products, no need to puzzling. What comes first for you is the most important thing. If you need help with the LMS thing just drop me a line, I'd be happy to help. Thank you for sharing. PS. If you want to stream from Tidal app to Zen Mini and you have an Android phone please check on Google for "LMS_Connect" app. It will do the trick for you and from another free app like Squeezer you can control the music you're playing. Both free and stable apps.
Ever Since I got a Zen Stream, I bought an audioquest diamond usb cable, ifi zen elite power supply, Bonn N8 audio switch, audioquest votka ethernet cable from the switch to the zen switch, then finally, a Ferrum Linear power supply. every step the Zen stream responded with a positive improvement.
At that price with that kind of gadget and spaghetti, you could simply buy a better streamer 😅
I have the Ifi Zen Stream with Denafrips Ares 2 dac and Tidal: so marvelous! It change the way of listening!
So. I originally had a Bluesound node 2i as in all in one as I ventured back into two channel audio. Then, on Jay's recommendation of the SMSL vmd1SE, I purchased it. A very worthwhile upgrade. However, about 8 months ago as other reviewers raved about this Ifi Stream, I decided to grab one off Amazon as it was a risk free. Wow, it SMOKED the node as a streamer. What a combo for the money. NOW, on one of the Ifi Facebook pages, others recommended upgrading the power supply, specifically the Ifi Power X. Sells for $109. So I grabbed it from Amazon again. No overblown exaggeration, nothing overkill about what I'm going to say:
The unit with the stock power supply is MAYBE 40% (at the most) of the overall sound quality using the upgrading power supply. So much so, I let my brother try the entire ensemble at his house to ensure I wasn't crazy. Same conclusion. Jay, for giggles, grab that power supply and try it. I think your head will spin!
I'm currently using the iFi Zen Stream as my Roon endpoint for my chain downstairs where I work from home. It has worked flawlessly for me and I haven't had any wifi issues like some folks have reported.
Great review! It should be noted that this is a transport, not necessarily a true "streamer" with a built-in dac and subsequent analog out. iFi specifically calls this a wifi audio transport. Perhaps potato/potatoe here, but worth calling out for those who think they won't need anything else to make the iFi stream deliver an analog output, unlike the Innuos and Bluesound in comparision which have built-in dacs.
Your a donkey brother! Great reviews on confusing us.
I see where you are coming from but I would say the Bluesound is a streaming DAC whereas the iFi is just a streamer. I've got an Auralic Aries G2 and always think of it as a streamer even though it has no DAC.
Pure semantics, however, and you are right to warn folks who may get confused about what they need. I guess you could also call the iFi a network bridge, although maybe the fact that it natively streams stuff via it's own app makes it more than a bridge. Now I'm confused..
Wiim Mini is pretty awesome these days and bit perfect with digital out for $99.
You're in a unique situation where you have the ability to test both. My suggestion is to do a longer term review and see how it stacks up to your current and which you found you gravitated towards more frequently. Then report back in a video update which I'm sure many like myself would greatly enjoy and appreciate. Love your takes, keep it up!
The Zen stream is a seriously good streamer, especially if used with roon. Tidal and Spotify connect work very well as well.
Roon sounds better then tidal connect on the ifi zen stream?
I have the ifi zen stream for a week.
It is detailed but sometimes it sounds a bit harsh.
@@igaldins I found Roon to sound better than Tidal Connect. Which power supply are you using?
The NODE’s OS is rock solid, as is Tidal Connect. I’m using the NODE with an upgraded internal power supply and sBooster linear power supply. Usability is intact but the sound quality is improved. This makes more sense to me than a costlier Lumin transport (switching power supply, paying a lot more for a fancy enclosure), etc. Just my own experience and this only applies to transport duties (external DAC).
Which power supply upgrade did you use
@@Pete.across.the.street PD Creative
Hi Jay, I am surprised you didn't talk about the Innuos Sense app and is a stand-alone player with integration to both Tidal and Qobuz. It sounds much much better than streaming Roon via Innuos in every aspect. To take it a step further, you should set the latency to 'low' and if you have files stored on the local hard drive you can turn off most of the wifi circuit in the settings and engage 'offline mode' for the critical listening sessions. Then the sound quality is very good, I doubt the IFI zen would come anywhere close to Sense App playing instead of Roon. Yes I know that Roon is great in the user-friendly aspect and discovering new music and such, but through Innuos at least, there is no comparison regarding how much better the Sense sounds compared to Roon.
Bought the Ifi Stream a year ago, I liked it so much I bought another one for my other sound system. I was using the BlueSound Node prior to that but as you say the Stream sounds much better (I use DAC Topping D90SE, toon will try a new SMSL D400EX). Glad to learn the Innuos can be a Roon core. Keep up the good work, I appreciate your common sense approach to Ifi.
I HAD the iFi Zen Streamer, but had terrible issues with WiFi which was my only convenient connection. However, this was months ago so maybe the upgraded software has made a difference. I will say the sound quality was greatly improved compared to my Raspberry Pi going into my Schiit Bifrost 2i. However, the sound is still impressive out of the Pi by using a better iFi power supply with a iPurifier3! Cheers
I'm thinking about upgrading from the node 2i so thank you for the vid! I don't love the look of iFi Zen but it's small enough to be hidden behind my rack. As far as how manufacturers can make streamers better my answer is software response time for sure! Click play and the song should play right away and playback must be gapless.
I’ve had my iFi stream for about a month now and absolutely love it. I really struggled with Tidal which often glitched on me (I was using chromecast to stream) now using Tidal connect I can use my iPhone as a “remote” and best of all it plays gapless. The other benefits are I get to use my old benchmark dac1 through coax. Even more importantly I can finally stream downstairs in my dedicated music room using Wi-Fi ( I don’t have Ethernet in that room). So all in all a great product.
Loving the Ifi!
Streaming apple music thru airplay to the Ifi which is then going to the dac of my H90 connected to my Kef speakers 🙌🏼
BTW, can’t wait for airplay 2 on Ifi zen stream to be able to play multiroom with my LSX in the kitchen
Interesting video and great you highlight people do not need to spend multiple thousands of dollars these days to get a good streamer (better to spend it on the Dac). My favourite streamer is the Mano Ultra MkII which has Femto clocks, i2s output, low noise internal Class A LPSU, Furutech IEC inlet, all for 995 Euro. Wifi is a 30 Euro optional extra.
Thanks for the introduction, Jay.
Just recently began streaming, and it changes everything!
Instant access to, well, everything!
And my junk never sounded better!
The Zen Mini Mk3 fits my needs best. I prefer hard-wired network, I won't consume anything with MQA, so I'm exclusively Qobuz. And using Roon Core in the Zen Mini Mk3 is saving me from building a NAS at the moment.
I had Bluesound Noce 2i in the past and switched to Zen Stream. The difference of sound is huuuuuge. I was not expecting that a streamer can make such difference in sound
Which dac are you using?
very interesting - using external DAC? everything else the same when you switched?
I found the same thing. In my case running both into a Chord Qutest.
I am glad you are back on your feet again....i knew you could do it!!
I almost bought the iFi Zen Stream, I would love to try one, seems like people love it. I ended up buying a PecanPi Streamer. I am ok with the stability and less noise connecting via network cable. I use Tidal Connect/Volumio. Can also do Roon, PiCore, Moode.. has S/PDIF, can use a USB to S/DIF converter for DAC. Can connect a USB CD drive to rip disks. Can connect a Bluetooth device on S/PDIF.. Mine also has 2x XLR Outputs and 1xRCA Output. Connected straight to a Power Amplifier for best sound. Volume Control on PecanPi streamer too
is it at par with the sound quality compared to ifi zen stream?
Jay could possibly answer that. I think they would be very comparable in SQ, the PecanPi has great sound quality.
You can connect Hard Drives, NAS, USB drive too. Can use Airppay as well. And if you want wifi, can hook up a Wifi Link to it, see Orchard Audio for more details. Overall, quite happy, still has the odd glitch, think it’s a Volumio issue.
Spot on. USB is the best connection as it let's the DAC be the master clock. Put your money in a DAC you like with solid USB implementation.
For years ive been searching for a dedicated streamer. Most have built in pre amps, dacs and are not balanced. So when the ifi zen streamer came out. I was so excited because it is the closes I was looking for in a streamer. The drawbacks I have is that I know nothing about room or rasberry pie. The level of complexity gives me a headache. The only time I listen to my pc connected to my system is when I play my downloaded dsd albums. Other then that im a physical meadia type of person. Any time ive done any type streaming is through an app on my phone. I connect my phone to my external dac with a type c to usb b cable. Been using that method for awhile now. The quality is pretty good for what it is. Finding it hard to justify the headache of a streamer when the streamer in my phone works just as good as long as I use a decent external dac with usb connection.
I was saving for a Lumin and happened to come across ZS. That money is now being applied to a better amp
I use bluesound NODE USB out to Holo audio spring 3KTE. I also updated the PSU on the NODE but I did not see a difference so I might return it. Good thing for in home trials!
Which company did you use for psu upgrade?
I like the Auralic Aires G2.1. Would love to see you review it.
Hi Jay, great video as always. You don't need to be near the Z's to get Tidal Connect to work, you have to be in the same network.
iFi’s Achilles heel is its network connection. It took me a long time to resolve the issue. At first I was using a wireless Ethernet bridge to connect via hardwired connection. About 80% of the time, ZS cannot be seen on either Spotify or Tidal connect.
When I was on Wifi, my network protocol was to have hidden SSID, and that was also causing numerous issues. However, once I changed the wifi protocol to show wifi network and connected that way, it has been way more consistent. So I would say if you are able to circumvent the network issue, the unit is working great and convenient.
For a “Roon like” experience, for those that have a NAS set up, I just use Plex client on your NAS device and it would also work decent enough. But keep in mind it cannot do audio quality above 16/44.1.
As of now, I have disconnected my Mac Mini and a monitor and using iFi exclusively for streaming and has worked out well. Good luck to those that may encounter connection issues.
Great discussion, Jay. I currently stream via a Cambridge CXN V2 unit. The sound quality and built-in DAC are fantastic. I agree on the Node, it just doesn’t sound all that great. I moved mine to my second system; however, I still enjoy the ease of use it offers.
I’m intrigued by the Zen: it offers so much value and convenience. I would love to demo it one day, and perhaps replace the BluSound (or maybe the CXN?) Thanks again.
Nice video! Also a believer in separates, but when I tried the Naim Uniti Atom HE in my system I kind of changed my perspective a little bit. The simplicity of Atom is outstanding. Tidal Connect, remote (which I prefer for volume control) pretty good dac, easy to connect with tv and also a very good preamplifier. Roon ready (although I find Tidal Connect easier for everyone in the house). Run it to a Chord Etude power amp and Totem Tribe Towers. Excellent combo in my room.
Nice steamer. Already interested in it and I think I'll buy it after I saw this review... Thanks!
You do not have to switch between the Tidal or Roon setting on the selection screw. Just set it to AIO (all in one) and all modes are available together. The reason for having the options is sound quality is supposed to be superior in “exclusive mode”. As I understand it, the Zen turns off the redundant options so there is less “interference, like a Pure Direct mode on an amp or receiver, as I understand it. I have had one of these since their release and for me it has been the beat value addition to my system. It replaced a Microsoft Surface connected to my DAC, the improvement was marked and operation much easier. I have read about some problems with this streamer but personally never had any in setup or operation. Keep up the good work I enjoy your reviews and take on equipment.
Dedicated Tidal setting was huge improvement from All in One. That’s after small improvements from upgrading power source and bi-amping my speakers.
I cheaped out and went with the Andover Songbird. Normally $180 but on sale for $99 U.S. 24 bit/ 192 hz built-in dac. Compatible with most streaming services. I use Tidal. The only problems I have are it's not gapless streaming, and the Songbird app disconnects sometimes when I want to change artists or albums. Maybe it's an issue with Android...not sure if iphone users experience this problem.
Generally it works great with my WiFi. However you need a router with split band capabilities. It requires 2.5g to operate. I use 5g on my other devices.
It has lan and Bluetooth connections too. Simple to use and easily connects to optical and RCA. Great option on a budget. The sound is impressive for the cost.
I may give it to my son and upgrade to the ifi.
You’re asking the right questions and keeping the focus tight; very well done piece in my opinion. I’m just getting started with streaming and bought a used Auralic Aries ‘network bridge,’ because, in part, I thought, ‘all I need is an external DAC to start streaming,’ which is, in fact, true. But I’m discovering there is quite a bit more involved on the digital side if you want a fully functional system (ripping CD’s, music library of downloaded and ripped digital files, metadata, etc). I looked longingly at the all-in-one offerings of Innuous and others, but hard-wired CAT5/6 cabling is an issue for me. Like you, my router is in another room (same floor). The wireless link for the ‘network bridge’ / player / endpoint / whatever works flawlessly for me. Auralic recommends the wireless connection as a strategy to avoid EMI/RFI noise.
The main reason I’m still interested in purchasing a streamer (in addition to the player I have now) is because I need the ‘core’ function, and I don’t want to use a standard PC computer to serve in that role. $1,400 for the Innuous product you mentioned seems like a bargain to me, when other products in the category are bumping $4,000 (including units from the aforementioned Innuous). I’m not yet a Roon user, Auralic’s Lightening app meets my needs right now; but I’m leaning that way, especially if I can still purchase a ‘lifetime’ subscription.
Anyway, that is my ‘brief but spectacular’ response to your very useful video.
Now iFi has the Neo Stream with I2S, but 3 times the cost. Waiting to hear reviews for it. And we're all still waiting for Qobuz to come out with a Qobuz Connect feature similar to Tidal.
Thanks for giving away an iFi Zen. I'd probably use the Airplay connectivity.
Thanks for doing this review. I have almost bought the Zen streamer several times and still haven’t pulled the plug and bought any streamer yet.
Great video, I'll keep both. I have a main system and a secondary system. Because of a young kid from Canada, working at a Hi-End audio store is the reason I choose a Hegel-h95 integrated amplifier. Now you have to realize, I didn't know what a audiophile and or hi-end gear really was. before the pandemic. Now I have two rooms. My other room have MUSICAL FIDELITY M6SI integrated (paired with vandersteen model 2CE signatures) thank to Zero Fidelity. so with two rooms I would need both. #keepboth.
I use the iFi Zen Streamer with Macs running Audirvana Studio and Qobuz and Apple Music as sources. In the now rare occasion that I need to play CDs, they can be played from one of the Macs either directly or after they are ripped to a file. Audirvana allows access to music on the Macs and on Qobuz within the same interface. Audirvana also has an iPhone app that allows you to control a Mac that is running Audirvana Studio. iPhones can also stream to the iFi Zen directly by just selecting it in the wifi setting.
Audirvana Studio allows you to stream a large selection of International Internet music and radio sources.
Also, I agree with Mark's comment, just use the All-In-One setting.
I replaced my Node 2i (modded with power supply interface) with the Stack Audio streamer from England. Big obvious sound quality upgrade. Bubble upnp software not as slick as the Bluesound, but worth it in sound quality improvement. They say that all internal clocks in the streamer are synced to diminish jitter. I use wifi and exclusively use it to listen to qobuz. It comes with its own substantial linear power supply, which I think makes a difference as well. But more expensive at around $1300.
I would get an intel nuc and build roon rock and use it as the roon core, will probably cost $500CAD. As for CD ripping buy a $10 drive and plug it into roon rock, it can rip CDs too!
i run tidal connect via a raspberry pi4. it has an ifi power supply and an audioquest usb cable feeding a mytek liberty dac. i think it sounds very good but i would like to try an innous, lumin or hifi rose eventually. i heard another benefit of a usb connection is that it lets the dac do the clocking instead of the streamer.
I use a Pi2AES to stream from my PC or phone into my DACs. It's actually very easy, although I will admit it's not for everyone. The Pi2AES sounds AMAZING!
I would love to buy something like the new Bluesound Node since I love the BluOS app, along with the HDMI input and other features. The only problem is that the iFi iStream just sounds better. I hate how it looks, and it was a bit glitchy at first, but especially for Tidal, it just sounds great.
I plan to pick up an xDuoo XQ50 Pro 2. It’s a bluetooth converter.
The reason I want the xDuoo over the iFi’s Zen Blue v2 is because I am able to hook my xDuoo with a pure silver USB A to USB C.
Unfortunately, iFi uses an adaptor which may not compete against a pure silver cord.
I also plan to hook them up with oil filled RCA silver cables.
Upgrade my antenna, too.
I have the ZS in my system. It is an expensive element in CAD$ but only in relative terms I guess. I have been delighted with it. Sound stage width and depth are very satisfying especially when listening to classical music. Instrument location and character appeal to my ear. Great component.
Zen came alive when moving switch from All in One setting to dedicated Tidal setting 3. Amazing improvement.
Once I had the stream working( user manual is so bad) I was very happy with the features of the IFI AND having hucked up to my Meitner dac and Audio note amplifier for a fantastic sound. BRAVO IFI.
Differentiating factor for node: hdmi e-arc. My priority for my new system is simplicity - my ethos is: the fewer barriers/steps required to listen to the system, the more I (and my partner/visitors) will use it and the more gross enjoyment it will reap 🤷♂
I'm tossing up between getting a super integrated with streaming built in (i.e. NAD C399/lyngdorf/sexy new Yamaha R-N2000A), vs choosing my own components and using ifi/node for streaming. The pull towards the all-in-one solution is simplicity - control everything through my phone for listening (tidal/spotify connect, so anyone can control it) and my TV remote for watching via hdmi arc. I haven't fully worked it all out, but I think I can still achieve this with separates (even just an integrated with separate streamer / dac / phono), but the nodes hdmi in is critical for that simple TV integration.
Any thoughts and advice on this appreciated. Is that level of "m10" / lyngdorf 1120" simplicity achievable with separate components?
Good question. I'm considering the same idea, so I'd like to hear people's opinions about TV integration as well
I hate eARC. It totally screws up complex AV systems with multiple displays by switching things on and off semi randomly.
@@jimfarrell4635 interesting, I assumed that earc would just turn on/control the node (in this example) and then every other component would ‘wake up’ by receiving signal or through a trigger cable
Thanks for the great videos Jay!!! I really need a streamer! Funds have not allowed yet. I will use it in my modest 2 channel setup.
Great review. 🙏 🙏 🙏 …. I currently stream using an Amazon Echo Link with a Schitt Modi 3+ dac. It works well, but It would be great to upgrade soon.
I currently use a Cambridge CXN2 and have the top services of Amazon HD, Spotify, UA-cam Music, Quboz and Tidal as I'm comparing them at the moment. It has ROON but it's not a core. Overall I like the sound from Quboz but enjoy the algorithm of UA-cam music in the way in will constantly keep playing tracks I like based on past listening. I've only had the CXN2 a couple weeks and I'm not sure if I'm totally sold on it. It does sound pretty decent overall and it is convenient. Ultimately I think what I really want is a ROON core so I can reap all the benefits ROON has to offer. This IFI unit seems pretty good, I'm not concerned with CD ripping, just want a streamer that will be ROON ready for the future of getting a CORE and good sound quality...for under 1k.
Hey Jay, some day maybe do a desk top sound card and USB card shoot out (especially include the Matrix Element h !) Luv all ur content my friend...
Great informative video I appreciate you putting in the info ,thanks
Great review as always have to always check reviews from. You first before I buy
Nice video. If the usage is mainly Tidal Connect, you can also explore Wiim Mini. It's a 99$ device with excellent no fuss design. Of course there are few limitation: (1) it only output spdif, no usb out. Apart from line out (2) it is only 24/192 output max (3) mqa and gapless not there (4) haven't done a/b with ZS so can't comment on the sound quality.
But with all the limitation, still imo it is a great alternative mainly due to its price, form factor and a superb no-fuss connectivity.
Woooow! Really looking forward on this IFI stream! This will replace my sotm sms 200
If your streaming is not sounding better than other sources, you have work to do, if you care about it. Fiber with Finisar SFPs, audio switches in cascade, external LPSUs and clocks, and decent cabling. Then streaming will be as good as a high end transport.
This was exactly my experience. Paying attention to streaming signal hygiene can make the quality as good or better than cd/vinyl. Ethernet through a good switch (etherregen) and external clock (after dark) can make a world of difference to what’s delivered to your streamer and Dac. The cost (1200) was cheaper than trying to upgrade the streamer and dac and likely better.✌️
Only missed the boat by 9 months damn....got the Zen DAC II...great sounding PC - Headphone amp/DAC with fixed RCA outputs or variable to use as a pre-amp,DLNA approved etc...streams when connected to a PC.....good price apart from £70 for 5v power supply...or use a photocopier cable which gives 5v...not as good sound as using the power supply..
I have 4 setups, 1. Livingroom: Yamaha rn amp (but only airplay for roon) 2. One kid room: old MacBook running volumio usb into dac, 3. the other kid room: old iMac running volumio usb into dac, 4. my studio: Mini M1 as core usb into dac. All of the connected with ethernet cable. I will change the old comps with streamers or pi's but not a priority, for the moment I need to find out if in my main system it would be better a streamer usb into dac or keep the mini M1 usb into dac. Thanks for the video and all of your channel
Great video! I think you can make the most of the ZS when you use it as a streamer connected to a separate Roon core(Zen mini). I’m currently using ZS's NAA mode for HQPlayer with Roon and it sounds wonderful :)
Great video, timely as I'm in the market for the Zen. It would be great to win it!!
Hi Jay, I’m still using my JLTi modded Oppo 105 that will play/stream from Tidal, NAS, Hard Drive, network, disc and any other attached streaming device. My Oppo 105 level4.2+ACB “Signature “ modification from “Custom Analogue” here in Australia has a great DAC and pre-amp mod - that is if you wish to use these functions as well. It’s way ahead of its time and sounds incredibly good, it’s staying in my main system for along time to come.
Awesome conversation Jay. Until this year I never considered streaming as an option. More I dig in the more options and flexibility I see. I think your setup with both rocks!
I am aleady looking for a streamer but I think the biggest interest that I have to use one is for ROON as you stated in the video. It's been quite an expense to purchase every other piece of the chain in my setup but it's a must in the future for me to get something that can remotely play everything I require with good quality but most importantly the fact that I worked on my audio chain to output to my living room while it is located in my bedroom for the minimalist look.
I've been using a Chromecast Audio to stream for something like 7 years, so I'm definitely ready for a streamer upgrade. 😆
I've been using 2 streaming transports for about 6 months:
1) iFi Zen stream (coax spdif out) &
2) Mano ULTRA mk2 (i2s out)
BOTH streamers go into my HoloAudio Spring 2 KTE dac.
Source material is Apple Music and Deezer HiFi (both lossless). I also have a USB flash drive connected to the IFi streamer (for local files)
I use Airplay to feed both streamers.
Sound: The Zen Stream is clear and warm. Easy to listen to and is non-fatiguing. The Mano Ultra is brighter (I have to change my EQ settings), and seems to have a slightly better sound stage. I use the Zen Stream about 80% of the time...
Roon will work on any device connected to your wifi. We have friends who come over and use Roon regularly. All they have to do is download the app and be connected to wifi. No Roon logins needed. We have Tidal integrated so they can look up whatever music they want as long as Tidal has it
Great topic. I'm about to go Roon after seeing how nice of an experience it is. Seems like the Zen Mini is the only Roon core streamer out there (at reasonable price). I don't think you can bypass the Zen's dac either. So you're stuck with that dac which you said isn't that great.
This room setup is difficult to make simple and streamlined, but the experience seems game changing for music discovery and enjoyment.
zen stream does not have a dac
Hi Jay currently I’m running Volumio on Raspberry Pi 4 with HIFIBerry Digi+ hat connected to my Smsl su9 Dac trough coaxial and can’t wait to try Ifi stream to see differences 😁
Jay, seems you might not have listened to the Roon Exclusive Mode...the SQ is a noticeable jump from the all in one mode that comes as default. I have 2 Zen Streams...one in my main speaker setup and one for my Headphones rig. Great review btw...
You got it right the first time Innuos downstairs and Zen Steam upstairs don’t get any better than that you convinced urself and me ,I’ll buy which ever one you discard 😢
Great review. Can't decide between a Nas drive dac set up or a dedicated streamer unit. Maybe Cambridge audio or ifi. Thanks for the great content keep it up
Ifi zen streamer has a Raspberry pi inside runnig volumio.
I use Raspberry pi 4 streamer.
Using USB to my Topping D90 MQA.
My pi has Ifi usb purifier and Ifi power X 5v.
Me and my friends did not hear any difference between ifi streamer and my Raspberry when switching between them.
Earlier this year when I decided to get a streamer I cheap out and got the Wiim mini to connect it to the integrated amp.
After I bought it I realized that I wanted to stream also when listening to headphones and realized that on my zen dac and zen can I hadn't got an optical in.
So....I bought the zen one signature dac wich has optical input.
So in the end I ended up spending more than if I would opted for the Zen stream to use it with the Zen dac through usb.
At least I ended up with a better dac that zen V1.😄
I make the stupidest choices in audio shoping ever.
You should keep the zen stream just for convenience.
Ohh heck yeah! I've been loving ifi lately. I would pair this with my budget build Axa 35, Klipsch RP-8000f.
? Thanks Jay for making me feel older than I already am.
For anyone looking to get an iFi Zen Stream, factor in getting a power supply upgrade. Like other comments here who upgraded the power supply, the difference is no joke. iFi should really include a drop down when adding to cart to add a power supply upgrade. I picked up the iFi Power Elite. I was dubious that I'd be able to tell a difference, but the change was profound-so much so that I realized I was blaming the shortcomings of my system to other components, when it was the Zen Stream with the included power supply that was holding it back.
I think a good way of putting it is iFi priced the Zen Stream to make it accessible to more people who want to get onto streaming, but for sound quality, the included power supply just doesn't cut it-upgrading is mandatory.
Currently using AppleTV 4k for all music/tv - works great 🙂
What you on about Jay? I've Roon sitting across 2 laptops and 2 phones. A visitor just has to click into either of the laptops that have the Roon interface and choose whatever they want to play. No passwords or inconvenience at all. And as far as the ifi goes, it's FAR easier to use the Roon interface for Tidal than it is to use Tidal's interface. Also. Yes, you can cast straight from Tidal, but why would you when you can do the same from Roon ( and get Qobuz etc into the bargain)? The Ifi is a good wee device, but the other streamer I have, a Pro-ject Stream Box S2 Ultra provides much. much better sound quality. Yes, it's a bit more costly than the Ifi, but that sound difference plus the ability to rip CDs is well worth the extra few hundred bucks. Anyway....
I’m adding that you should keep the innuos for two main reasons
1 ) for cd ripping that keeps you away from cluster
2) for you being a roon player I don’t think you should negotiate the sound quality if you already had it.
Maybe buy a separate tablet for the innuos for convenience.
The ifi Zen stream is so portable I'm sure you could carry it upstairs you might need a wifi extender though ? Personally I still think wired gives the better sound quality .
Thank you for the review! I’ve been using the Zen stream for 4-5 months and i have been experiencing problems with the USB connection with a memory key for storing music files. Whenever the zen is powered down it loses connection to the key. Only solution is to physically disconnect and reconnect the key. I contacted manufacturer and they said a fix is in works. But still wating for nearly six months
Interesting… never had this problem but that is weird
Great comparison Jay, if I could pick only one I’d go with the Innuos as I have a bunch of CDs I could rip and I almost never have friends over to listen to music. I currently stream using Roon core on my PC to a pair of PSB AM3 speakers while I work from home or when not working I steam to my OPPO 205 in my theatre system. I have Totem Tribe III on wall speakers. I didn’t have room for a music and theatre system and the Totems work great for double duty.
I use my tablet or phone through blue tooth DAC. Not to happy with it. Thanks for sharing. It is appreciated.
Definitely considering the ifi Zen Stream I use pretty much Tidal and would love to record on my Yamaha K-2000 Cassette Deck don't tell anyone though . I do wonder though if a Linear Power Supply would improve it . Keep the ifi stream
Awesome review Jay. I'm extremely happy with my Zen Stream which replaced the Node2 a year ago. The sound is much more engaging and better than the Node2. As you have stated that it's so easy to use with Spotify connect ot Tidal connect.
I’m a Bluesound 2i user, but have an external dac to improve sound quality. I’m curious how or why is the quality of music improved by using the Zen over the 2i streamer. I have always thought that the streamer is passing 0, 1’s to the Dac so the streaming part are all the same. I’m just trying to understand the technology. If you can provide further insight would be appreciated.
I'm no expert in explaining that, but I know a good power supply plays a big part in improving sound quality and also quality parts used with better circuitry designs help too. Maybe Jay can answer your questions with more insight. Best is get one to AB test if you are serious.
I have the same question as above
@@Nick-sk1qp me too and I wonder if I’m leaving any quality on the table with the 2i. I send the digital signal to a gods outboard dac so how is the streamer itself potentially impacting the sound?
@@Nick-sk1qp search for the the iris ddc and how it works. You will understand why :)
I'm running NUC Room Rock for the Core and the Zen Stream as a streamer with the upgraded iFI power supply X. don't need more than that and completely happy with it.
I suggest you keep the Innuos Zen in your main system and put the ifi Zen in your other room as a Roon end point. Best of both worlds so to speak. Enjoy!
Really well done! Right on topic with my current upgrade needs 🙏🏼
I’m waiting on a Mercury streamer (transport) from Pi2design that’s intended to be somewhat of an upgrade to their Pi2AES board/rpi unit. A buddy of mine will be getting the Ifi zen stream soon as well. We’re both looking forward to comparing with our systems to hear the differences between them. But we’re both pretty convinced that usb is a lot more work to get clean than coax - not putting usb down if you can get it clean from a well designed source/board with galvanic isolation, etc.
With the Mercury, can also run I2s into a dac, which I’m also curious to compare against coax.
I’ve played around with a number of streamers. The Raspberry 4 with a Hat really has a lot of functionality, is easily set up and is cheap. I love Roon but you need a Core. Your unit makes a lot of sense and I love the easy ripping. The price seems a bit much, however. I bought and dedicated a used Intel Nuc for that. Now that was very difficult to get to work correctly. It works effortlessly now but I’m not sure I would recommend it due to the set up technicalities. … good topic and review.
What a coincidence! I stream Tidal via Mac Mini with Audirvāna but i recently thought of trying the IfI Zen Stream!
I really wanted to like the Zen streamer but I had too many consistent dropouts with wifi. It could have been that the router is upstairs from where I was streaming, but still. It would have been nice if the wifi worked as good as the 2021 Node that I bought to replace it. No issues with wifi connectivity on the Node.
Did not have this problem but would have been a deal breaker for me too !
Bluesound NODE (2021) has usb output and roon, tidal, spotify, or network attached storage with HDMI input as well.
Good sound to manyyyy glitchesss with ifi zen streamer🤪...mine now rufuses to power up...the software is the worst I've ever used!
Great review. Try adding the external iFi power supply for even better sound.
@jayiyagi thanks for the great videos. Will connecting the Zen mini to integrated amp via coax work fine? My integrated amp with dac does not have usb connection capability. Thank you
Thanks for your insight. I’m looking for a streamer.
Hey Jay! You forgot to say that ifi is “hardware optimized” for certain sound source. That’s why it uses that weird physical switch.
The hardware optimization you speak of (the switch in the back) only disables the ones not being used to reduce the number of background processes needed for each mode. You can also select the modes via the software that ZS provides using the webpage app.