Good video, but are forgetting 2 things: 1. When Palpatine uses that spin move he also does sone sort of shriek/scream that was full of dark side energy that helped stun/weaken the masters. 2. None of the master actually KNEW he was a full blown sith master, much less had fought one. The surprise was total and they were completely unprepared.
Your second point is lowkey the best point. They were Jedi Masters, but didn't understand the Sith, and even if they understood the Sith they didn't appreciate the mastery of the Sith ways they were facing. They underestimated the timid old man in front of them, and paid the price as he immediately moved to annihilate several of them. Heck, the Masters were probably unsure Palpatine was really a Sith.
@@shanez1215 Bane declared the Rule of Two 100 years before Yoda was born anyways, so even Yoda would have never fought one, but it would have been cool if he was a Padawan during the Battles of Ruusan. Whoops, meant 1000.
@@dr.chaosyt2578 anakin was just jealous mace windu rejected him as an student for form 7 since windu knew anakin was more attuned to his feelings which is dangerous to form 7
When Palpatine did that spinning thing and yelled he was actually using a power called Force Scream. If I recall correctly it temporarily severs your opponents' connection to the force, which feels sorta like having your soul ripped out. That's why the Jedi all kinda stood there as if waiting to be cut down, it was kinda as if they'd been flashbanged by Palpatine.
Kit Fistos death in the novel is way better. He gets his head cut off while smiling, and his grin is still there when Anakin enters the room and sees his head on the ground.
A moment deemed too gruesome for a film intended for an audience largely composed of teenagers...so they toned it down in order to prevent the film from being slapped with a big fat 'R' rating.
Power in the Force matters. But so does form and saber technique. You only touched on it briefly, but Palpatine did apply a dark side confusion technique to disorient the Jedi during his initial charge. In canon, only Yoda and Mace were capable of standing against Palpatine as equals at that time. And unlike legends where the outcome remains up for debate, canon has confirmed Mace legitimately outduels and disfigures Palpatine.
I have to agree. Mace won that battle. He was only defeated because he didn't realize that Skywalker, who should have been an ally, had fallen to the Dark side at that moment. It was a mistake left him vulnerable to the attack which resulted in his death.
J Krolak true to a degree. What everyone seems to fail is this.. Anakin had not fallen to the dark side when he blindsided Mace. Anakin only had the intent & action to disarm or neutralize Mace. Never to kill him. Anakin only did so out of desperation. Not sayin it’s right, merely explaining the details all others missed. Anakin did not officially turn to the dark side until after Mace Windu’s unfortunate death. Notice, Pre-suit Darth Vader had the intent to murder Obi-Wan Kenobi. Anakin attacked & non lethally disarmed Windu. Mace Windu’s death was part of a ritual sacrifice. Moments later the Birth of Darth Vader, pure evil personified in the dark side, total opposition of Anakin, who is pure good in the light side. I absolutely luv Mace Windu bcuz he was The only Jedi with Mastery over himself that caused a strength in him to command both the power of the light & the dark to bend to his will. A Jedi who trained to for greater power, in defense against evil. Yet was never corrupted by that power. That is insane when u think about it. Even though Yoda is The Grand Master, nearly 900 years old. Even he did not possess that level of mastery. Which shows, even Yoda feared the dark side corruption to sum extent. Windu did not. Even The Chosen One was corrupted by the power of the dark side. Jedi Master Mace Windu is The Best!!! Luv that purple Lightsaber.
@@jordanglasper1064 I hope that pun managed to just slip in, as he rather literally disarmed Mace. That act in attacking marks Anakin's fall to the Dark. So I can't agree with you there.
Gaius Wyrden George Lucas confirmed a while ago that Mace won the duel. It wasn’t the best portrayal and let’s be honest, the plot dictated that Palps couldn’t die, it was just poorly executed. It’s extremely dubious to suggest that Palps let himself be disarmed when Mace could have just leaned forward slightly and killed him (when he had the saber pointed at his chest for example). No doubt Palps used the situation to this advantage but I don’t think he planned every outcome to that degree, it’s too reliant on chance and circumstance. To highlight the poor execution of the scene again, for some reason Mace raises his arm to strike Palps in a very over the top movement to make the scene simple to digest, he could have just leaned forward slightly and killed Palps.....alas for the plot armour
@@Elphin89 Fencing would be a significantly better fighting style, just stab and slash quickly, you have a sword that melts everything almost instantly.
In legends kit fisto was cut down by palpatine because he used something called a force scream/Sith battle cry used to disorientate your opponent well in canon kit fisto sensed anakin s presents and he dropped his guard for a second which aloud palpatine to strike him down
"A being trained in the killing arts will not wait for you to determine them as an opponent nor present himself or herself as one to you as in a martial arts contest. Your reactions must be instantaneous and nothing less than lethal; for you are a Sith Lord and will be marked for death."- Plagueis training Sidious 32 years before Revenge of the Sith
Ever seen the clone wars?? They'll spend a few episodes making you think some characters are important, then kill them off, i.e. most of domino squad on their first mission out of kamino.
@@jakelawson5130 Nothing can overcome the might of the high ground. That's what Obi-Wan learned in Episode 4, and what the English Saxons learned in 1066 (for a real-world example).
Allen : Form one is used only to disarm the enemy Obi Wan in Episode 4 : Literally cuts the enemy's arm off I dont think he fully understood what disarm means
The reality: They shot this late. Very little choreography and no stunt doubles for Palpatine and Windu. So they're weird lightsaber fight is described as complicated forms.
This fight should have lasted at least 5 minutes and the jedi knights shouls have lasted longer (2 minutes 3 minutes and 4 minutes or something like this).
It would have looked a lot better and made a lot more sense in character if Palpatine used the force instead. Plus, you don't need stunt doubles to waggle your fingers around.
Many here in this forum realizes that palpatine, who was master of ALL the 7 forms at such a level that considered lightsaber combat a kid's play, was never really in danger, not even with Windu. He toyed with him, delaying the fight just because he knew that Anakin was coming and then he FORCED anakin to chose between him and his wife's death. Afterall remember how he teased anakin to help him when he could simply use his quickness to evade the blow and how fast he recovered the very moment Anakin stroke Windu. he played them all, to the very end!
I would argue the main reason Palpatine was able to defeat them so easily was not really about the lightsaber form as much as it was the fact that Palpatine had been preparing for this moment for decades, studying and analyzing each jedi master and playing in his mind over and over how the fight would go down, while the Jedi were largely unprepared to face such a powerful opponent. To use a real world example, imagine two mma fighters have a match but one of the fighters knows who they will be fighting and when 5 years before the fight while the other fighter knows who and when they will be fighting 1 week before. Though they may be around the same skill level, one fighter will be farrrr more prepared and ready for the fight than the other (of course), giving them an insurmountable advantage.
mdfinnyp well he jumped pretty high and you can tell that for a moment, he had the high ground. The real mystery is how he could toss mace out the windu from the low ground
It's also important to keep in mind that, thanks to the way this scene is edited, it probably takes about twice as long to show us Palpatine igniting his lightsaber, leaping across the room and stabbing the first Jedi and second Jedi as it would have taken in actuality. Most likely this was all done as one move. But if they showed it that way in the film, it would have been difficult for viewers to follow.
When he roars as he spins through the air its a dark side move called "force scream". It disorients the opponent & severs their connection to the force. Kolar & Tiin fell victim to it. Sidious speed was also blazing fast & they couldn't handle it.
Why did you not mention the Sith scream Palpatine did as he was leaping through the air at the beginning of the fight. I always thought that was to stun his enemies right off the bat.
Real life explanation: the choreography was just bad because Lucas didn't consider them very skillful when RotS was filmed. Their back story was developed later through comics and cartoon. Honestly this is one scene that would really have benefited from a Matrix-style combination of slow mo and real time.
Also, Lucas was literally making it up as he went, so no one besides Hayden, Ewan, and Sam had proper lightsaber training before they started filming. Even Ian McDiarmid was rushed through lightsaber training at the last minute, because Lucas didn’t have a plan.
@Gaius Wyrden No disrespect to Ian McDiarmid. The portion of the fight between him and Sam was great. But you can clearly tell a lot more effort went into it than the murder of the 3 other masters.
Seriously? They're there to show how powerful Palpatine is. What it fails at is a frame for reference, as we don't know how powerful those masters really were, just that they were masters
Hang on… any Jedi master who had _trained with Mace_ and sparred against him would have experience against Form 7 … Admittedly a modified version of Form 7, but still. … And since the Jedi now knew there were Sith about, surely the top Masters would have all been catching up on their anti Sith homework. Specifically training to face Sith would become a priority. Hell if I was a Jedi at that time I'd try to get instruction in Form 7, to supplement the Form 3 I would focus on. And do a little Form 2 on the side to work in with Form 7. [I'm kidding, I'd carry a stun blaster or a pistol with cortosis slugs in my off hand and shoot the Sith while using a Lightsaber in my primary hand - assuming the grenade I had levitated overhead didn't get them by suprise…] Mace should have been running Sith fighting classes any time he wasn't in the battlefield. *Mace Windu [to his training class]:* Okay I'm playing the part of a _Dark Lord of the Sith…_ again … [sighs and mutters under his breath]… I swear it's lucky that I'm human or this could be considered speciest profiling.
Yeah, it’s a shame that for all his splendid worldbuilding in the prequels that Lucas didn’t actually delve deep into the cause and effect relationships between a lot of things.
What makes this untrue is he only practiced form 7 with the other form 7 specialist and they both agreed never alone he fear falling to the dark side so he didn't use form 7 on other Jedi in training
Tis where you are wrong sidious had some of the most intense training of all it's not plot armor it's his master preparing him to do this since he was 17
We also have to remember that in the novelization of ROTS it states that Palpatine uses a mind trick to “stun” Kit Fitsto and the other Jedi making it easier to defeat them and bring the group down to only 1 Jedi where his form 7 was dominant.
Hmm there's some factors I believe play into this as well: 1) Anakin only told Windu he THINKS Palpatine is a Sith Lord. We know the Jedi Council were already considering removing Palpatine from office before this incident and that Windu never truly trusted Anakin. I believe the Masters went in not *really* believing Palpatine was a Sith Lord. 2) Palpatine was immensely powerful in the Force. It's pretty well established he had been clouding the Jedi's abilities to sense him for years. Plagueis was shown to be able to mask his Force presence as well. The Jedi relied on the Force to fuel their combat prowess. Imagine if suddenly you're cut off from that, if your opponent can effectively mask their presence from your precognition. You'd be overwhelmed easily without the training to fight without that ability, especially against the Sith, who were not above fighting dirty. 3) Their tactics were awful. They stood in a straight line in front of the Chancellor. If they had had any sense, they'd have split up and surrounded him. There's no way he should be able to kill two Jedi with two swings of his blade. Even if he'd jumped at one and killed them, the other 3 would have had a little space to react and prepare to duel properly. I think this proves my point earlier; they didn't really believe they were going to have to fight a Sith Lord. Or perhaps they were arrogant enough to believe he would surrender because there was four of them. Either way, there was no way they were prepared.
Here's the REAL reason: At the time that Revenge of the Sith was released, those 3 other Jedi were not considered to be notable characters or master swordsmen in any way, and were only included as cannon fodder to show how powerful Darth Sidious is. Otherwise they would've definitely put up more of a fight and probably overwhelmed Palpatine.
Yeah! It's weird seeing this now after stuff like the clone wars and seeing them as such badasses especially kit fisto only for this scene to kill them like they were mere grunts
Nonsense. They were all on the Council. That implies to everyone watching that they are formidable. Yes, supplementary content tells us they are far mightier than we were shown in the movie, but to say they were just there as "canon fodder" is fatuous.
@@katieell4084 It implies that, sure, but we don't see that in the movies. They looked like they were running Windows XP or something. Let's face it, that scene hasn't aged well as far as those three are concerned.
There was three years of material between episodes 2 and 3, including a Gendy Tartikovski clone wars cartoon in which EVERYONE was a badass, and novels and comic books and a few video games, all making a multimedia event. These Jedi characters featured in some of this material and they did show aptitude befitting Jedi Masters. Anything coming after RotS will either ignore that material or make an excuse for the movie’s portrayal.
If Palpatine uses any Earth based firearms such as the Uzi style submachine gun, semi auto shotgun or short barrel selective fire carbine, he would slaughter those 4 Jedi(include the hard ass Mace Windu) in less than 10 seconds!
@@vitorkennedy1862 Infidel. They fly ships through the Warp without being possessed. One drop of a plague bomb and your dear emperor would be shitting his sith guts before disintegrating. Or they will just drop an Astartes on his location. GOOD LUCK possessing someone that can fight the possession of CHAOS. A ton of death that can weild a chainsword faster than your light saber. Jedi are pussies.
@@haggus71 Exactly battle brother! The emperors avenging angels would make paste out of any Jedi or Sith. The Emperor himself in his prime would pretty much mop the floor with Sheev. GLORY TO THE EMPEROR!!
Star Wars Battlefront answered this question best. When Palpatine uses that spin attack when you're not expecting, The speed and unsettling sound effect genuinely catch you offguard.
Had me confused for a sec, I always knew from the books, Windu’s style was referred to as Vaapad. Nice to see some more insight into it’s origins Juyo/Form 7. Nice vid, thanks.
Something else to think about is given how fast his attack came he may have caught them off guard, not expecting the old man they’ve known for years to leap with such ferocity
Gotta give this one a downvote, because parts are wrong or incomplete in various ways (which can be cleared up by reading the novelization of Revenge of the Sith) 1. Perhaps the most important point - Palpatine (being incredible powerful in the force) was EXTREMELY fast; Tinn and Kolar were basically struck down before they can even make a first swing because palps was too fast for them to track. Unfortunately this is NOT conveyed very well by the movie at ALL, so it comes out looking like they just stood there and allowed palpatine to kill them. Fisto was able to hold on a little longer, but ultimately couldn't keep up either. Fun fact: In the novelization he isn't taken down with a gut shot, but rather palpatine slices his head clean off and it flies away and lands on the desk. One of many things that had to change in the movie to avoid an R rating. In short, palpatine is insanely fast and windu is the only one capable of matching his speed (and yoda later obviously) 2. Palpatine is a master of all 7 lightsaber forms, rivaled only by windu and yoda and that can't be ignored. It's not so much that he's a sith that makes him dangerous but rather that having mastered all 7 forms, he can switch to whichever form is best for countering the form being used by his opponent. 3. The force scream palpatine did as he spun toward them is a technique meant to stun the opponent and it was very effective at that on all but windu. So it's not so much that the masters have never faced a sith lord that is going against them (though that surely doesn't help) but more that palpatine is essentially the apex sith lord within 1000's of years at that time, both in power and lightsaber dueling so the battle is heavily skewed in his favor. There's a lot of confusion on this battle, mainly because the scene is very poorly shot, one of my few criticisms of the prequels (another being the Anakin/Dooku duel in Ep2 where it looks like Anakin just holds his arm out to allow Dooku to chop it off). Unless you've read the novelizations, there's a lot of things that are unknown, unclear, or just plain missed about the prequels
Thank you. Pretty sure the novel says that when Aniken walked in the room all he could see was the light from the sabers blinking in and out of existence because they were moving so fast.
Yep, that's exactly what the novel said. Anakin was one of the most skilled duelists in the order at that point, but even he couldn't keep up with how fast those 2 were moving.
on last second note: respect for you my good sir Nerd i can tell you always do your researches before doing this videos and you always end up giving a well rounded proper level of insights regarding SW respects man i know is not easy job
4:31 I think he hit the nail on the head here. If I'm not mistaken that's the way the novel described it. He just looked like a blur of red light and Mace was the only one that could keep up.
This is why if I was a Jedi at that time I'd specialise in Form *3* and Form *7,* with some Form *2* to supplement Form *7.* Bugger that, I'd also be a secret *_Grey Paladin_* on the side.
It's interesting watching the dule between yoda and Palpatine because Yoda does appear stronger in both his force ability and light sabre skill. He is even able to control sith lighting by either absorbing it or redirecting it, something other jedi couldn't do. He even appears to have Palpatine on the run through most of their dule with Palpatine relying on ranged attacks to keep Yoda at a distance.
To me I also feel like there is a certain intimidation to seeing a man whirl toward you, shrieking out in a dark side fueled shout of brutal rage. I watched the movies in order of release for the first time with my grandparents. So to me Palpatine was manipulative, brutally efficient, and while he was weak, he ruled through strong lackies. I fully expected Anakin to come help Palpatine, or to flat out kill all three alone. So when Palpatine launched forward slaughtering Jedi, it legitimately terrified me, and between the lunge, the screech, and the slaughtering of master jedi, I genuinely was so stunned at how strong Palpatine was. I feel this psychology applies to the Jedi as well, who not only saw palpatine as weaker than them, but they saw him as only a manipulative traitor, not a warrior. So in my opinion, Palpatine's strength in the fight came not only from skill, but from his enemies underestimation and eventual terror when they realised the force of Dark Side energy they were truly up against. As you said however, the only one unphased throughout the entire fight was Master Windu, who was not only experianced in dealing with the Dark Side of the force, but also the feelings and thoughts surrounding it. Also, Mace Windu as a character rarely seems to underestimate his enemies, literally decapitating Jango Fett because he was the most immediate threat on the battle field. TLDR: Point being, psychological warfare and intimidation tactics had alot to do with this slaughter, and Palpatine's general skill, in my opinion.
I prefer how the book did this over how the movie did it. The actors did the entire fight aside from the bits where they CGI'd it. So th fight looks sluggish and sloppy because it was the actors doing it. Samuel L Jackson, who may be able to pull it off given time to train, (which he wasn't) and Ian McDiarmid, who HATES combat in movies... In the book, Palpatine kills Tin first, tricking him saying "You are a telepath, read my mind." So when TInn is distracted, Palp's sliced off his head then he stabs the Zabrak in the head. It isn't described exactly how he got Kit Fisto, because at that point we are following Anakin, not the battle, but Kit Fisto did loose his head. Also, the forms in question also led to their defeat. Had Obi Wan been there, I think the Jedi would have won. Sidious could not break through Kenobi's Soresu, and Mace would pummel him into submission. It is even mentioned in the comic that Mace brought pretty much the 3 worst jedi to bring on this mission. The thing is, in spite of being at a clear disadvantage, Kit Fisto Managed to survive for a fair amount of time, even though he was the worst suited out of all of them.
Fisto’s Death had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with some “WeAkNeSs iN fOrM oNe” He tried an elaborate spin move at the wrong time. He spun right into Palpatine’s blade. It was a dumb mistake that cost him his life. That is it.... And Agen Kolar was solely just caught off guard by his speed. Palpatine knew about his skill, that’s why he stabbed him right off the bat, he didn’t even see it coming they weren’t expecting him to just cut loose like that out of nowhere.
I like how there’s a mix of comments that are really serious and then comments that are just like ‘he had the high ground while he was in the air so obviously he was gonna win’ and ‘well he clearly just had aimbot’
The producesrs we're like , how can we make an old politician grandpa seem like a dangerous enemy worthy of Mace Windu. I know...have him kill 3 Jedi Masters in basically 10 seconds with no difficulty and then somehow struggle with Mace Windu
I think intimidation plays a huge role. Youve been seeing the chancellor and speaking with him for so many years. Standing right next to him. To be in that room and see the shift in energy and demeanor. The way palpatine attacked and spoke would have scared me shitless. You learn that the chancellor of your republic is a very powerful sith lord would chill me to the bone
I always enjoy seeing the moment when Mace Windu realizes just how dangerous Palpatine is and underestimates him which you can see by the face Windu makes when they start down the hallway. His face says," oh shit...whoo.."
Fun feats: 1. In the legend novels Saesee Tinn was the first Jedi killed in that fight and then Agen Kolar. 2. In the EU novels Saesee got stabbed in the trachea then Kolar got stabbed in the forehead and then Kit Fistos head got decapitated clean off.
Maybe it was pure surprise. These were after all not only Jedi Masters, but COUNCIL MEMBERS. For nearly 1,000 years, merely drawing their lightsabers was more than enough to establish dominance. None of them expected even a Sith Lord to not only be ENTIRELY unbiased by their display, but to unflinchingly attack with reckless abandon. By the time they realized what was happening, this situation was well and truly out of their control and as they were caught on the back foot. My boy Sheev was just that in control.
bro this was more than a decade ago and yet its still a fan-favourite scene. If palpatine doesnt slaughter the jedis quick enough theres literally no legitimacy to his identity as the final baddie and the greatest sith lord. They made the anakin vs obiwan scene i hardly think they were in any way lazy. And futhermore Ian Mcdiarmid and Sam L Jackson arent actors with masterful acrobatics they cant do super intense scenes. I dont think theres any problems with it.
By spinning - which is a good trick.
Ha
and screaming don't forget that one
Only if assisted by R2
Nice
Loosely quoting a movie is a good trick too. My Grandma taught her Parrot to do the same thing.
Good video, but are forgetting 2 things:
1. When Palpatine uses that spin move he also does sone sort of shriek/scream that was full of dark side energy that helped stun/weaken the masters.
2. None of the master actually KNEW he was a full blown sith master, much less had fought one. The surprise was total and they were completely unprepared.
Your second point is lowkey the best point. They were Jedi Masters, but didn't understand the Sith, and even if they understood the Sith they didn't appreciate the mastery of the Sith ways they were facing.
They underestimated the timid old man in front of them, and paid the price as he immediately moved to annihilate several of them. Heck, the Masters were probably unsure Palpatine was really a Sith.
Queco Jones that reason was said before i think hes trying to find more reasons
The Force Scream is clearly heard as he does his jump/spin lunge. The scream is a sith technique designed to stun and disorient opponents.
@@potato6785 Yeah, the Sith were hiding out for centuries, meaning Yoda is the only one who may have even seen or fought one
@@shanez1215 Bane declared the Rule of Two 100 years before Yoda was born anyways, so even Yoda would have never fought one, but it would have been cool if he was a Padawan during the Battles of Ruusan. Whoops, meant 1000.
Mace Windu: You are outnumbered and out skilled.
(Few seconds later)
Mace Windu: OH COME ON!!!
*I AM TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKIN SITH LORDS IN THIS MOTHERFUCKIN SENATE*
Why did I hear that?? O_o
@@NebulousSpacePotato 😂😂😂🤣🤣
But mace windu also easily overpowered him but was betrayed by Anakin
@@dr.chaosyt2578 anakin was just jealous mace windu rejected him as an student for form 7 since windu knew anakin was more attuned to his feelings which is dangerous to form 7
You mean "How The Senate Defeated Three Jedi Masters in 10 Seconds"?
I am the senate
Not. Yet.
Its treason then...
*screams and spins*
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When Palpatine did that spinning thing and yelled he was actually using a power called Force Scream. If I recall correctly it temporarily severs your opponents' connection to the force, which feels sorta like having your soul ripped out. That's why the Jedi all kinda stood there as if waiting to be cut down, it was kinda as if they'd been flashbanged by Palpatine.
Kit Fistos death in the novel is way better. He gets his head cut off while smiling, and his grin is still there when Anakin enters the room and sees his head on the ground.
@William Ku The Revenge of the Sith novel
And he also holds his ground for longer
A moment deemed too gruesome for a film intended for an audience largely composed of teenagers...so they toned it down in order to prevent the film from being slapped with a big fat 'R' rating.
Bro palpatine had hacks during that movie he defiantly had aim bot on
Who needs a lightsaber when you have a trusty blaster.
Very funny
*Killaura
They should have sent every available Jedi.
Lol
Power in the Force matters. But so does form and saber technique. You only touched on it briefly, but Palpatine did apply a dark side confusion technique to disorient the Jedi during his initial charge.
In canon, only Yoda and Mace were capable of standing against Palpatine as equals at that time. And unlike legends where the outcome remains up for debate, canon has confirmed Mace legitimately outduels and disfigures Palpatine.
I have to agree. Mace won that battle. He was only defeated because he didn't realize that Skywalker, who should have been an ally, had fallen to the Dark side at that moment. It was a mistake left him vulnerable to the attack which resulted in his death.
J Krolak true to a degree. What everyone seems to fail is this.. Anakin had not fallen to the dark side when he blindsided Mace. Anakin only had the intent & action to disarm or neutralize Mace. Never to kill him. Anakin only did so out of desperation. Not sayin it’s right, merely explaining the details all others missed. Anakin did not officially turn to the dark side until after Mace Windu’s unfortunate death.
Notice, Pre-suit Darth Vader had the intent to murder Obi-Wan Kenobi. Anakin attacked & non lethally disarmed Windu. Mace Windu’s death was part of a ritual sacrifice. Moments later the Birth of Darth Vader, pure evil personified in the dark side, total opposition of Anakin, who is pure good in the light side.
I absolutely luv Mace Windu bcuz he was The only Jedi with Mastery over himself that caused a strength in him to command both the power of the light & the dark to bend to his will. A Jedi who trained to for greater power, in defense against evil. Yet was never corrupted by that power. That is insane when u think about it. Even though Yoda is The Grand Master, nearly 900 years old. Even he did not possess that level of mastery. Which shows, even Yoda feared the dark side corruption to sum extent. Windu did not. Even The Chosen One was corrupted by the power of the dark side. Jedi Master Mace Windu is The Best!!! Luv that purple Lightsaber.
@@jordanglasper1064 I hope that pun managed to just slip in, as he rather literally disarmed Mace. That act in attacking marks Anakin's fall to the Dark. So I can't agree with you there.
Gaius Wyrden George Lucas confirmed a while ago that Mace won the duel. It wasn’t the best portrayal and let’s be honest, the plot dictated that Palps couldn’t die, it was just poorly executed. It’s extremely dubious to suggest that Palps let himself be disarmed when Mace could have just leaned forward slightly and killed him (when he had the saber pointed at his chest for example). No doubt Palps used the situation to this advantage but I don’t think he planned every outcome to that degree, it’s too reliant on chance and circumstance. To highlight the poor execution of the scene again, for some reason Mace raises his arm to strike Palps in a very over the top movement to make the scene simple to digest, he could have just leaned forward slightly and killed Palps.....alas for the plot armour
@@Elphin89 Fencing would be a significantly better fighting style, just stab and slash quickly, you have a sword that melts everything almost instantly.
In legends kit fisto was cut down by palpatine because he used something called a force scream/Sith battle cry used to disorientate your opponent well in canon kit fisto sensed anakin s presents and he dropped his guard for a second which aloud palpatine to strike him down
I prefer the Legends explanation, Anakin wasn't even there yet. Plus they added a force scream into the Maul/Ahsoka fight.
@@shanez1215 Well we dont really know the exact time anakin left so for all we know he was halfway there by the time palpatine attacked.
Where is that stated in canon?
*allowed
sam8404 revenge of the Sith novelisation it explains it I think some were in the novel
They lacked plot armour
Lol
The plot armor was not strong with these ones
And a significant role in the story. Red shirts in other words.
Plot booty ass armor...farrrttt!!!
If she was there, she would have been annihilated, because her fight choreography sucks stinkin toes...so does kilo, said Darth Maul!! Nuff said.
Palpatine: I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick
Anakin: hey, that’s my line!
"A being trained in the killing arts will not wait for you to determine them as an opponent nor present himself or herself as one to you as in a martial arts contest. Your reactions must be instantaneous and nothing less than lethal; for you are a Sith Lord and will be marked for death."- Plagueis training Sidious 32 years before Revenge of the Sith
short answer: anyone who isn't a main character dies quickly
or: people are main characters because they dont die quick
If you see the clone wars you understand how sad it is that all of the jedi died.
@@erlejohansen2958 i have seen clone wars :P
Ever seen the clone wars?? They'll spend a few episodes making you think some characters are important, then kill them off, i.e. most of domino squad on their first mission out of kamino.
I couldn't believe my man kitkat died so fast😥
Number 1: the sith scream
Yeah, he used a Force Scream which momentarily confused all of the Jedi and he took them out but it wore off before he could kill Master Windu.
@@troyandrade435 I'm surprised Allen didn't talk about that
@@sheevone4359 Me too. Star Wars Theory did though. That is where I learned about it.
@@troyandrade435 indeed. I knew that this scream had some influence, but thanks to Theory's videos I learnt a lot more about it
@@sheevone4359 I knew something was up because he was not that powerful of a dueler to kill some of the best Jedi duelers that fast.
Mace: We have you 4 to 1
Palpy: I like those odds
Never tell me the odds
He used God Mode, by enabling the cheat code Plot Armour.
....or he just used the high ground
But for the most part he had the low ground.
I guess even a second of high ground is unbeatable
@@jakelawson5130 Nothing can overcome the might of the high ground. That's what Obi-Wan learned in Episode 4, and what the English Saxons learned in 1066 (for a real-world example).
@tek O When the Norman army seemed to be retreating the Saxons came down a hill they had been on and were killed.
You didn’t mention the “Force scream” that Sidious used as he launched himself at the Jedi.
Noo! You can't just kill off those Jedi masters so quickly
RoTS: haha Sith lord go spin wosh wosh
If into your chest or stomach a lightsaber blade you let, only death will you find. (c) masta iodah.
Screech and do a 480 spin like an absolute madman
Allen : Form one is used only to disarm the enemy
Obi Wan in Episode 4 : Literally cuts the enemy's arm off
I dont think he fully understood what disarm means
Obi Wan used Form 3. But one could argue that was a disarm (no pun intended).
Pun intended?
@@nathanielbean3119 some would say
Obi Wan's favorite move is to disarm/dismember an opponent.
The reality: They shot this late. Very little choreography and no stunt doubles for Palpatine and Windu. So they're weird lightsaber fight is described as complicated forms.
Didnt know it was a late shot; always just thought is poorly choreographed just like Mace vs Palps 1vs1.
This fight should have lasted at least 5 minutes and the jedi knights shouls have lasted longer (2 minutes 3 minutes and 4 minutes or something like this).
It would have looked a lot better and made a lot more sense in character if Palpatine used the force instead. Plus, you don't need stunt doubles to waggle your fingers around.
Many here in this forum realizes that palpatine, who was master of ALL the 7 forms at such a level that considered lightsaber combat a kid's play, was never really in danger, not even with Windu.
He toyed with him, delaying the fight just because he knew that Anakin was coming and then he FORCED anakin to chose between him and his wife's death.
Afterall remember how he teased anakin to help him when he could simply use his quickness to evade the blow and how fast he recovered the very moment Anakin stroke Windu. he played them all, to the very end!
Mace should’ve brought Yoda with him
yoda was on another planet and by the time yoda arrives order 66 would happen or something
Yoda was in kassyik
but what about droid attack on wookies?
@Af or you know going without Yoda
@Af Nothing new there about Windu being arrogant. His hubris got them into that mess in the first place.
I would argue the main reason Palpatine was able to defeat them so easily was not really about the lightsaber form as much as it was the fact that Palpatine had been preparing for this moment for decades, studying and analyzing each jedi master and playing in his mind over and over how the fight would go down, while the Jedi were largely unprepared to face such a powerful opponent. To use a real world example, imagine two mma fighters have a match but one of the fighters knows who they will be fighting and when 5 years before the fight while the other fighter knows who and when they will be fighting 1 week before. Though they may be around the same skill level, one fighter will be farrrr more prepared and ready for the fight than the other (of course), giving them an insurmountable advantage.
At a moment he had the high ground, that’s why he killed them in 10
seconds.
Edit* thanks for the 488 likes guys
the entrance to his office is higher than he was, so the jedi actually had the high ground
mdfinnyp well he jumped pretty high and you can tell that for a moment, he had the high ground. The real mystery is how he could toss mace out the windu from the low ground
@@hellothere1216 Ankian tried to do the same thing but it obviously failed
XP Taco the problem is, anakin wasn’t spinning
Clearly palps secret wasnt immorality, it was how to overcome the high ground
To put it in RPG Gaming terms:
Palpatine was a maxed out level 100 Sith Lord with all skills unlocked. The Jedi were cocky level 65 noobs.
except Windu, he was also maxed out at level 100.
It's also important to keep in mind that, thanks to the way this scene is edited, it probably takes about twice as long to show us Palpatine igniting his lightsaber, leaping across the room and stabbing the first Jedi and second Jedi as it would have taken in actuality. Most likely this was all done as one move. But if they showed it that way in the film, it would have been difficult for viewers to follow.
Palpatine was in Return of the Jedi that’s why.
@Epic Giraffe disneys shitty cannon
Obi Wan: I have the high ground,
Palpatine: Hold my beer.
When he roars as he spins through the air its a dark side move called "force scream". It disorients the opponent & severs their connection to the force. Kolar & Tiin fell victim to it. Sidious speed was also blazing fast & they couldn't handle it.
Why did you not mention the Sith scream Palpatine did as he was leaping through the air at the beginning of the fight. I always thought that was to stun his enemies right off the bat.
Real life explanation: the choreography was just bad because Lucas didn't consider them very skillful when RotS was filmed. Their back story was developed later through comics and cartoon. Honestly this is one scene that would really have benefited from a Matrix-style combination of slow mo and real time.
Also, Lucas was literally making it up as he went, so no one besides Hayden, Ewan, and Sam had proper lightsaber training before they started filming. Even Ian McDiarmid was rushed through lightsaber training at the last minute, because Lucas didn’t have a plan.
Cgi was also expensive back in those days now we can get a perfect tarkin scene talking !
@Gaius Wyrden No disrespect to Ian McDiarmid. The portion of the fight between him and Sam was great. But you can clearly tell a lot more effort went into it than the murder of the 3 other masters.
Samuel Ramos the lore isn’t made up by fans, it’s explained in legends and or canon books.
Seriously? They're there to show how powerful Palpatine is.
What it fails at is a frame for reference, as we don't know how powerful those masters really were, just that they were masters
Hang on… any Jedi master who had _trained with Mace_ and sparred against him would have experience against Form 7 …
Admittedly a modified version of Form 7, but still. …
And since the Jedi now knew there were Sith about, surely the top Masters would have all been catching up on their anti Sith homework.
Specifically training to face Sith would become a priority.
Hell if I was a Jedi at that time I'd try to get instruction in Form 7, to supplement the Form 3 I would focus on. And do a little Form 2 on the side to work in with Form 7.
[I'm kidding, I'd carry a stun blaster or a pistol with cortosis slugs in my off hand and shoot the Sith while using a Lightsaber in my primary hand - assuming the grenade I had levitated overhead didn't get them by suprise…]
Mace should have been running Sith fighting classes any time he wasn't in the battlefield.
*Mace Windu [to his training class]:* Okay I'm playing the part of a _Dark Lord of the Sith…_ again …
[sighs and mutters under his breath]… I swear it's lucky that I'm human or this could be considered speciest profiling.
Agreed. Don't slack on homework kids!
Yeah, it’s a shame that for all his splendid worldbuilding in the prequels that Lucas didn’t actually delve deep into the cause and effect relationships between a lot of things.
What makes this untrue is he only practiced form 7 with the other form 7 specialist and they both agreed never alone he fear falling to the dark side so he didn't use form 7 on other Jedi in training
Tis where you are wrong sidious had some of the most intense training of all it's not plot armor it's his master preparing him to do this since he was 17
Escherichia Coli it’s just the choreography isn’t that good the book does a good job of explaining it
We also have to remember that in the novelization of ROTS it states that Palpatine uses a mind trick to “stun” Kit Fitsto and the other Jedi making it easier to defeat them and bring the group down to only 1 Jedi where his form 7 was dominant.
"Are you threatening me master jedi?"
"i Am ThE sEnAtE!"
Hmm there's some factors I believe play into this as well:
1) Anakin only told Windu he THINKS Palpatine is a Sith Lord. We know the Jedi Council were already considering removing Palpatine from office before this incident and that Windu never truly trusted Anakin. I believe the Masters went in not *really* believing Palpatine was a Sith Lord.
2) Palpatine was immensely powerful in the Force. It's pretty well established he had been clouding the Jedi's abilities to sense him for years. Plagueis was shown to be able to mask his Force presence as well. The Jedi relied on the Force to fuel their combat prowess. Imagine if suddenly you're cut off from that, if your opponent can effectively mask their presence from your precognition. You'd be overwhelmed easily without the training to fight without that ability, especially against the Sith, who were not above fighting dirty.
3) Their tactics were awful. They stood in a straight line in front of the Chancellor. If they had had any sense, they'd have split up and surrounded him. There's no way he should be able to kill two Jedi with two swings of his blade. Even if he'd jumped at one and killed them, the other 3 would have had a little space to react and prepare to duel properly. I think this proves my point earlier; they didn't really believe they were going to have to fight a Sith Lord. Or perhaps they were arrogant enough to believe he would surrender because there was four of them. Either way, there was no way they were prepared.
Here's the REAL reason: At the time that Revenge of the Sith was released, those 3 other Jedi were not considered to be notable characters or master swordsmen in any way, and were only included as cannon fodder to show how powerful Darth Sidious is. Otherwise they would've definitely put up more of a fight and probably overwhelmed Palpatine.
Yeah! It's weird seeing this now after stuff like the clone wars and seeing them as such badasses especially kit fisto only for this scene to kill them like they were mere grunts
I mean, I guess, but I'm not sure if that's the "real" reason as much as it is the meta reason
Nonsense. They were all on the Council. That implies to everyone watching that they are formidable. Yes, supplementary content tells us they are far mightier than we were shown in the movie, but to say they were just there as "canon fodder" is fatuous.
@@katieell4084 It implies that, sure, but we don't see that in the movies. They looked like they were running Windows XP or something. Let's face it, that scene hasn't aged well as far as those three are concerned.
There was three years of material between episodes 2 and 3, including a Gendy Tartikovski clone wars cartoon in which EVERYONE was a badass, and novels and comic books and a few video games, all making a multimedia event. These Jedi characters featured in some of this material and they did show aptitude befitting Jedi Masters. Anything coming after RotS will either ignore that material or make an excuse for the movie’s portrayal.
I always love the mental gymnastics the youtubers use to explain movies.
Coz he's better than them.
* Roll credits *
Assured Strike:
It’s true strike, but using a bonus action instead of waiting around for a turn doing nothing.
If Palpatine uses any Earth based firearms such as the Uzi style submachine gun, semi auto shotgun or short barrel selective fire carbine, he would slaughter those 4 Jedi(include the hard ass Mace Windu) in less than 10 seconds!
Tutaminis and force shield deflect projectiles and force users have faster than light reactions
@@vitorkennedy1862 Exterminatus it is then. Oh wait, wrong Franchise xD
@@atavy Palpatine can mind control them, turning them in his army.
@@vitorkennedy1862 Infidel. They fly ships through the Warp without being possessed. One drop of a plague bomb and your dear emperor would be shitting his sith guts before disintegrating. Or they will just drop an Astartes on his location. GOOD LUCK possessing someone that can fight the possession of CHAOS. A ton of death that can weild a chainsword faster than your light saber. Jedi are pussies.
@@haggus71 Exactly battle brother! The emperors avenging angels would make paste out of any Jedi or Sith. The Emperor himself in his prime would pretty much mop the floor with Sheev.
GLORY TO THE EMPEROR!!
Star Wars Battlefront answered this question best. When Palpatine uses that spin attack when you're not expecting, The speed and unsettling sound effect genuinely catch you offguard.
The Senate gave them a death sentence
In how many systems?
@@Rkurnelm 12
One word: Plotline. That pretty much sums it up.
The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... natural
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!
Had me confused for a sec, I always knew from the books, Windu’s style was referred to as Vaapad. Nice to see some more insight into it’s origins Juyo/Form 7. Nice vid, thanks.
He used Ultimate Power! And Death Sticks, how else do you think the lightning scarred him so badly?
Something else to think about is given how fast his attack came he may have caught them off guard, not expecting the old man they’ve known for years to leap with such ferocity
7:15 Dis-arm
Severely underatted comment
He had plot armor that's why.
If only Rey was there with two lightsabers
Because they a support character.
Still can't get over that face 0:34
No, the Jedi were just not strong enough.
Gotta give this one a downvote, because parts are wrong or incomplete in various ways (which can be cleared up by reading the novelization of Revenge of the Sith)
1. Perhaps the most important point - Palpatine (being incredible powerful in the force) was EXTREMELY fast; Tinn and Kolar were basically struck down before they can even make a first swing because palps was too fast for them to track. Unfortunately this is NOT conveyed very well by the movie at ALL, so it comes out looking like they just stood there and allowed palpatine to kill them. Fisto was able to hold on a little longer, but ultimately couldn't keep up either. Fun fact: In the novelization he isn't taken down with a gut shot, but rather palpatine slices his head clean off and it flies away and lands on the desk. One of many things that had to change in the movie to avoid an R rating. In short, palpatine is insanely fast and windu is the only one capable of matching his speed (and yoda later obviously)
2. Palpatine is a master of all 7 lightsaber forms, rivaled only by windu and yoda and that can't be ignored. It's not so much that he's a sith that makes him dangerous but rather that having mastered all 7 forms, he can switch to whichever form is best for countering the form being used by his opponent.
3. The force scream palpatine did as he spun toward them is a technique meant to stun the opponent and it was very effective at that on all but windu.
So it's not so much that the masters have never faced a sith lord that is going against them (though that surely doesn't help) but more that palpatine is essentially the apex sith lord within 1000's of years at that time, both in power and lightsaber dueling so the battle is heavily skewed in his favor. There's a lot of confusion on this battle, mainly because the scene is very poorly shot, one of my few criticisms of the prequels (another being the Anakin/Dooku duel in Ep2 where it looks like Anakin just holds his arm out to allow Dooku to chop it off). Unless you've read the novelizations, there's a lot of things that are unknown, unclear, or just plain missed about the prequels
Thank you. Pretty sure the novel says that when Aniken walked in the room all he could see was the light from the sabers blinking in and out of existence because they were moving so fast.
Yep, that's exactly what the novel said. Anakin was one of the most skilled duelists in the order at that point, but even he couldn't keep up with how fast those 2 were moving.
I ultimately know how he defeated them so easily...The pen is mightier than the Force.
He had plot armor. Can't beat that
And yet Rey did it easy peasy!
on last second note:
respect for you my good sir Nerd
i can tell you always do your researches before doing this videos
and you always end up giving a well rounded proper level of insights regarding SW
respects man i know is not easy job
The three Jedi died like slow moving Amateurs because they were high off the Death-Sticks at the time .
4:31 I think he hit the nail on the head here. If I'm not mistaken that's the way the novel described it. He just looked like a blur of red light and Mace was the only one that could keep up.
This is why if I was a Jedi at that time I'd specialise in Form *3* and Form *7,* with some Form *2* to supplement Form *7.* Bugger that, I'd also be a secret *_Grey Paladin_* on the side.
One of my favorite videos and series on this channel keep up the great work !💪🏼💙
Wtf unlisted? Easy early comment. You guys should do a what if Anakin Skywalker wasn't the chosen one
He wouldn't be born. Count Dooku would become his main apprentice.
Palps just got a copy of D2: the Mighty Ducks and turned Kenny Wu's move into his own
Yes Emperor, that was pretty cool.
Because it was on the script for them to die so quickly
If I had a dollar for every "One of the strongest swordsman" in the video I'd be rich.
Palpatine did this because he is human and the Jedi he killed there were not Mace Windo is human as well.
You are joking right?
And what does race have to do with this?
@IJN Shimakaze oh ok
Plinkett: “Dont tell me about them stupid books, video games or comic books, I already get enough of that shit.”
It's interesting watching the dule between yoda and Palpatine because Yoda does appear stronger in both his force ability and light sabre skill. He is even able to control sith lighting by either absorbing it or redirecting it, something other jedi couldn't do. He even appears to have Palpatine on the run through most of their dule with Palpatine relying on ranged attacks to keep Yoda at a distance.
Today is a little savage
Yoda* silly autocorrect -_-
@@tori9365 😂he is quite savage today
@@mebrit6130 😝😝
@@tori9365 I always say its the gremlin in my phone having the conversation he wants to have not the one I want to have.
To me I also feel like there is a certain intimidation to seeing a man whirl toward you, shrieking out in a dark side fueled shout of brutal rage. I watched the movies in order of release for the first time with my grandparents. So to me Palpatine was manipulative, brutally efficient, and while he was weak, he ruled through strong lackies. I fully expected Anakin to come help Palpatine, or to flat out kill all three alone. So when Palpatine launched forward slaughtering Jedi, it legitimately terrified me, and between the lunge, the screech, and the slaughtering of master jedi, I genuinely was so stunned at how strong Palpatine was. I feel this psychology applies to the Jedi as well, who not only saw palpatine as weaker than them, but they saw him as only a manipulative traitor, not a warrior. So in my opinion, Palpatine's strength in the fight came not only from skill, but from his enemies underestimation and eventual terror when they realised the force of Dark Side energy they were truly up against. As you said however, the only one unphased throughout the entire fight was Master Windu, who was not only experianced in dealing with the Dark Side of the force, but also the feelings and thoughts surrounding it. Also, Mace Windu as a character rarely seems to underestimate his enemies, literally decapitating Jango Fett because he was the most immediate threat on the battle field.
TLDR: Point being, psychological warfare and intimidation tactics had alot to do with this slaughter, and Palpatine's general skill, in my opinion.
Agen and saesee: WHAT IS THIS LAG
The magic of editing.
How would the Post Human-Covenant war UNSC be able to handle a Zerg invasion when the Overmind was in control?
Those jedi masters fought like freaken padawans
I prefer how the book did this over how the movie did it. The actors did the entire fight aside from the bits where they CGI'd it. So th fight looks sluggish and sloppy because it was the actors doing it. Samuel L Jackson, who may be able to pull it off given time to train, (which he wasn't) and Ian McDiarmid, who HATES combat in movies... In the book, Palpatine kills Tin first, tricking him saying "You are a telepath, read my mind." So when TInn is distracted, Palp's sliced off his head then he stabs the Zabrak in the head. It isn't described exactly how he got Kit Fisto, because at that point we are following Anakin, not the battle, but Kit Fisto did loose his head.
Also, the forms in question also led to their defeat. Had Obi Wan been there, I think the Jedi would have won. Sidious could not break through Kenobi's Soresu, and Mace would pummel him into submission. It is even mentioned in the comic that Mace brought pretty much the 3 worst jedi to bring on this mission. The thing is, in spite of being at a clear disadvantage, Kit Fisto Managed to survive for a fair amount of time, even though he was the worst suited out of all of them.
Every Jedi is one of the strongest swordsman in the Jedi order
Fisto’s Death had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with some “WeAkNeSs iN fOrM oNe”
He tried an elaborate spin move at the wrong time. He spun right into Palpatine’s blade. It was a dumb mistake that cost him his life. That is it.... And Agen Kolar was solely just caught off guard by his speed. Palpatine knew about his skill, that’s why he stabbed him right off the bat, he didn’t even see it coming they weren’t expecting him to just cut loose like that out of nowhere.
Plot twist: A staple of form one is an elaborate spin move
Kool-AID BABY what is your point exactly... that is pretty much what I just said. But it is not a “weakness in his form”
The scene had so much potential for bad-assery, it always itches me everytime.
Do an episode on the forcesaber or the dolphins will rise up and attack
I like how there’s a mix of comments that are really serious and then comments that are just like ‘he had the high ground while he was in the air so obviously he was gonna win’ and ‘well he clearly just had aimbot’
Agen Kolar is one of the greatest swordsman in the Jedi Order and he dies within 1 second. Lame.
Thank you for the information. I’ll have to add it to the archives.
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@@spinofthewheel5345 Glad I could make you feel. I like it and the channel, thought I'd support them.
@Toko1945대니진 Weird right?
Nobody expected to counter a crazy corkscrew nosedive move
Me watching this scene: Either the math is rubbish or these are rubbish jedi.
He followed the conquerors handbook to the letter. 1. Disorient or cripple the strong 2. Crush the weak 3. Shift attention back to the strong
Wow I didn't really notice that this video was unlisted when I watched it earlier xD
The producesrs we're like , how can we make an old politician grandpa seem like a dangerous enemy worthy of Mace Windu. I know...have him kill 3 Jedi Masters in basically 10 seconds with no difficulty and then somehow struggle with Mace Windu
Windu
Could have just spent the money and made him fuck them up with some mega force attack
he would've struggled with Windu anyways alone.
I think intimidation plays a huge role. Youve been seeing the chancellor and speaking with him for so many years. Standing right next to him. To be in that room and see the shift in energy and demeanor. The way palpatine attacked and spoke would have scared me shitless. You learn that the chancellor of your republic is a very powerful sith lord would chill me to the bone
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I always enjoy seeing the moment when Mace Windu realizes just how dangerous Palpatine is and underestimates him which you can see by the face Windu makes when they start down the hallway. His face says," oh shit...whoo.."
I love how all this came to be becouse of horiblle choerography of the fight lol
He used force scream to throw them off balance which gave him the momentary advantage.
The actual answer: Plot armor and bad writing.
Fun feats:
1. In the legend novels Saesee Tinn was the first Jedi killed in that fight and then Agen Kolar.
2. In the EU novels Saesee got stabbed in the trachea then Kolar got stabbed in the forehead and then Kit Fistos head got decapitated clean off.
And the reason he didn't attack Mace Windu who was the strongest first? Plot armor of course
Plot armour
Raid tactics, get rid of the adds/scrubs quickly, then burn down the boss.
Maybe it was pure surprise. These were after all not only Jedi Masters, but COUNCIL MEMBERS. For nearly 1,000 years, merely drawing their lightsabers was more than enough to establish dominance. None of them expected even a Sith Lord to not only be ENTIRELY unbiased by their display, but to unflinchingly attack with reckless abandon. By the time they realized what was happening, this situation was well and truly out of their control and as they were caught on the back foot. My boy Sheev was just that in control.
This was the same dude that lose to Rey
wow he was looking the other way. true he was moving so damn quick
Nah, choreographers got lazy. All there is to it
bro this was more than a decade ago and yet its still a fan-favourite scene. If palpatine doesnt slaughter the jedis quick enough theres literally no legitimacy to his identity as the final baddie and the greatest sith lord. They made the anakin vs obiwan scene i hardly think they were in any way lazy. And futhermore Ian Mcdiarmid and Sam L Jackson arent actors with masterful acrobatics they cant do super intense scenes. I dont think theres any problems with it.
"Disarm" the enemy. 😂
Shows the Ponda Baba scene.