OM SYSTEM OM-5 - My First Impression
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- OM SYSTEM OM-5 has just been launched! This video is my first impression of the second camera from OM SYSTEM.
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00:00 Intro
00:18 Disclaimer
00:35 Look & Feel
01:10 Who is OM-5 for?
02:01 Features & Benefits
02:31 Features & Benefits: Weather Sealing
03:04 Features & Benefits: IBIS
03:37 Features & Benefits: Starry Sky AF
04:00 Features & Benefits: USB charging
04:37 Video Features
05:13 Video Features: Improved AF
05:24 Video Features: Vertical video
06:31 Computational Imaging
06:44 Computational Imaging: LiveND
07:25 Computational Imaging: Handheld high res shot
08:00 Computational Imaging: ProCapture
08:11 Usability
11:00 My Thoughts
14:00 Watch Next
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Thanks for the review! I think I’ll just stick with me EM-5 Mark III though. I was hoping to upgrade.
The late David Thorpe used to have an expression that he used on his camera videos. "Damning with faint praise."
Thank you, Peter for this instructive video. I also think that this camera is a good improvement ,and good for outdoors photography.i will certainly get one myself.
very similar camera to mine think I'll wait until they produce something special great talk as usual, I always follow your lectures very honest and up front
Nice upgrades! The handheld hi-res, webcam feature and especially no time limit in video recording maybe stand out to me most. But not upgrading to USB-C is almost inexcusable =) Will still continue with my E-M5mk3 for now.
Me too, but I don’t think I was the target for the OM5… maybe if still had my EM10iii it would be worthwhile. Yes, the OM5 really should have USB-C fitted, and the new menus. But it still wouldn’t have swayed me - I just bought a new lens instead!
Excellent video...informative and enjoyable. Thanks!
Thanks.
Not enough to upgrade from my EM 5 III for me.
A very good device but which would be welcome if the em5 mk III did not exist... HHHR and ND is very good, the Log too. But the faults of the em5 remain the same three years later (usbc, headphones, autonomy, alloy, fragility base for tripod, only one custom mode on wheel, menu...). Probably not interesting enough for owners of the em5 mkIII. And newcomers will now find this camera at half price second-hand. For my part, I will wait for the OM3 😅
Custom modes can be set to buttons. That is a huge upgrade.
@@ForsgardPeter Good news! They should add it by update in the em5mkIII as well...
I just cannot believe they didn’t put the new OM1 sensor in it. That blows my mind. :( feels like a huge missed opportunity.
Thank you Peter! Your video on the OM5 is the most thorough ive seen, thank you! Mark
Wow, thanks!
I agree with Peter. The OM 5 has the important features of the OM 1, weighs less, and costs much less. What the OM 1 has that is important for bird photography is a faster processor and eye detection. As far as the small size of the 4/3rd sensor, the image quality is so good that I would only use high res if I wanted to blow up a picture large enough to hang on the wall. For all of my other uses, 20 mp is already more than I need. Both of these cameras feature exceptional in-body image stabilization and exceptional weather sealing. My OM 1 replaces a 35 mm DSLR, which was a heavy brick that I didn't carry around. The OM 1 camera is one that I actually use. It is a delight.
I Love My OM-5! I generally keep a 12-40mm 2.8 on it. It lives in a bag with My E-M1X on which I keep a 40-150 f4 pro. These two and a 60mm macro cover most all of my needs.
Thanks for the info. The biggest deal breaker for me is the plastic top. Personal preference.
I know it's a bigger camera, but for the same price I can get a EM1 mk3, at least down here...
Does the new processor significantly improve AF?
I am toying with the idea of getting a Fuji X-S10 as a new walk around camera and handful of cheap manual lenses.
To me, the EM5mk2 still is THE classic Olympus camera as far as the look and feel are concerned.
Have a great day!
I have not made any side by side tests with the AF.
I'm liking your improved video quality. Looks much more polished recently. Can't say the same for the new OM-5.
Thanks. I am using OM-1, but the bigger thing is most likely editing.
Thank you Peter, I will definitely get one to complement my Pen F, EM5 mk III and EM10 mk IV❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks Peter, what a brilliant camera!
I just got one and looking forward to exploring it.
I appreciate your first impression! 👍👍
For OM System to release this camera with old menu, old usb, talk about video "features" while not adding headphone output as the first camera with their branding, it's very underwhelming. Especially after the OM1.
The OM1 impressed me a lot. Maybe that gave me false hope that this would have been a more modernizing upgrade.
I'm sure the camera is fine if it fits a person's needs. I make an EM10 3 work as best I can for birds and mostly have fun with everything else. I've been trying to figure out what would be a good upgrade for me. Em1x has nice some features but it's too large and "heavy". OM1 comes closer in features. When I really compare them and look at cost I think about switching to the R7 instead.
Overall size and weight is very important for my use which is why I'm trying to stick with m4/3.
I’m getting back into photography and ended up getting the OM-5 even though a lot of people, and many UA-camrs, didn’t recommend it and actually criticized it pretty harshly. I’ve had the OM-5 for a week and am loving it, it’s just perfect to take anywhere and I’m discovering features every time I use it. I’m not going to mention the full frame camera I had purchased and exchanged for it; but it just wasn’t as fun.
Great to hear. OM-5 is a great camera. Many said that it was in their opinion not enough upgrade from the previous model. That does not mean that one should not buy one.
I had exactly the same experience when I bought my OM-5. I love this camera.
I bought an M5 Peter largly based on your videos. I also ordered a 45-150 f4 to pair it with it & I also own a 12-100 f4. Thanks for your work.
I hope you are happy with OM-5.
Thank you Peter. I am comparing with Panasonic G9 MK1. Very helpful.
Hello Peter, thank you for the initial review and I look forward to seeing future ones on this system. As an E-M5 Mk III owner, I don’t see myself immediately upgrading to the OM-5 (absent a disaster befalling my current body), but I can say the new one does have several features I would like to have, namely the Starry AF and Live ND. I liked those features that were part of the E-M1 system when I first got the E-M5 Mk III in 2020, but as an enthusiast, I couldn’t justify spending the extra $$. Fast forward to today: the OM-5 would definitely be the system of choice for the type of photography I prefer, especially with the great lenses now available to us.
Unlike some, I have no qualms with the 12-45mm F4 Pro as one of the two lenses I regularly use (the 20mm F1.4 Pro is my other option). Great situational glass in my view, and I may yet round out my set up with the 40-150mm F4 Pro in due course.
It is not worth upgrading if you do not need the features. I like to use the 20mm F1.4 PRO with OM-5 like I like to use it with any of my cameras. 40-150mm F4 PRO is a perfect lens for OM-5.
We're now seeing the pattern. The 1 flagship camera is released, then the 5 camera gets the internal guts from the previous 1 flagship camera. So the EM5 mark 3 gets the EM1 mark 2 internals. Now the OM5 (mark 1) gets the EM1 mark 3 internals. I have an EM5 mark 3 and like its form factor and ergonomics very much. It's a beautiful small camera. I'll skip the OM5, but I would be interested in an OM5 mark 2 when I presume it will get the OM1 internals.
Exactly!
That has been the way Olympus did it.
Looking at purchasing this camera and really appreciate this video. Very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Peter, excellent review. I like the clear way you explain camera features. Nice camera. My Menu and Custom Function buttons, Starry Sky AF and Live ND are all welcome upgrades and the camera remains compact. I tried OM 12-45 f4 lens, wow really sharp! Fits well on the OM5. Nice background scenery in your Finnish forest in the video.
Great to hear!
Thank you Peter for your continuing efforts to inform and educate us about OM/Olympus cameras and lenses. I own a OMD EM 5 MIII and don't see enough new features in the new OM-5 to upgrade. If OM had made some morphological (structural) changes to the physical camera, like bigger buttons on the back, joy stick, better hand grip, etc, I might have considered getting the new camera. The other upgrades aren't enough for me to shell out a lot of money for the new camera.
Thanks.
There’s a lot to like about the OM5. It keeps the tough polycarbonate body (maybe just to annoy those who think it’s a bad thing when it isnt for most users); the smaller battery pack as used on the EM10 range (much appreciated by me who had 4 of these batteries already when I upgraded from the EM10 which is presumably the upgrade route Olympus was expecting people to take when it launched the EM5iii); the same 20MP sensor that has given me great images on my EM5iii .. the same HDR mode that is a great feature on bright days… with the addition of a couple of other features that are very tempting including upgraded IBIS, the very tempting Hand Held HiRes mode and digital NDF mode. To be honest, I’ll be sticking with the EM5iii I have for now - but that’s not unexpected. When I had a Nikon D60, I didn’t get the D3000 or D3100 when I upgraded, I got the D90, and then eventually the D610 before ditching it all for MFT. I was comparing some shots from my Nikon D610 with its 24-70mm f2.8 lens with some I took in the same location a few years later with my Olympus MFT kit. There really is not a huge difference. Whenever I think of switching to Fuji I really stop and think - what for? The IQ change really is barely noticeable. The days of getting massive leaps forward on every model is gone. It’s all about incremental changes now, probably more AI based and Olympus/OMDS seem to have a good handle on that. I’m also very appreciative of the excellent choice of MFT lenses with sizes, IQ and prices to suite everyone. So whenever I get itchy feet and think of going APSC-C FF (again) I think of the size and weight of my kit bag I carried then and and how easy it is now with MFT. I also try and remember a camera is just a tool - whatever sensor or lenses you have, if you aren’t using your eyes and mind and put some thought into capturing a great image, you aren’t going to get great results.
I agree with you. Cameras are so good nowadays there is no reason to upgrade every 2 years. I bought a om-d 10 iV
recently because the screen of the mark II broke and I decided not to pay to fix it as the camera was getting old. I chose the omd-10 because of the tilt screen and I do not need the additional options you find in the omd-5. The omd-10 is more than good enough so to say. I do enjoy the better autofocus, the better IBIS of the mark IV vs mark ii (HDR works handheld now ) etc. The "plastic" body is also nice with the new grip. Overall the mark iv is a better camera but the mark ii would continue to be fine for my use.
@@bertrandroessli7862 This! Also means that there is alot good used gear for half a money. And it comes cheaper to swap if you feel so. Unfortunately theese plasticky kinderegg bodies havent been on my used mft body upgrade list for YEARS. So it is time to enjoy something more stable what comes for aftermarkets. If I ever would come back it would be cheapo em5m2 or just a smartphone😂
Thanks Peter-- this is by far the most comprehensive review for this unit-- If they had upped the menu and sensor game I really might have jumped in..But since I have an EM-1 MKIII--I think I will save up for the OM-1 ---It's kind of cool that they are offering a silver finish option,, back in the film days,,it cost an additional $40 USD to get the "professional " black color for the OM-1. I have both silver and black GX-8 Lumix cameras,,but I'm selling the black and keeping the silver for the sake of nostalgia,,, to each his own I suppose. Great job of catching us up with the latest.
Thanks, I have always prefered black cameras. It is not so visible when photographing. But I can see why silver is popular, the nostalgia and it looks better.
The OM-1 was announced as a Wow camera. Very good camera, but far from Wow! Now the OM-5 comes with the E-M1 mk3 processor, but with a sensor that was already outdated when the E-M1 mk3 came out. The same sensor is in the EM-1 mk2. (September 2016) I'm not sure, but I think it's the sensor from the PEN-F (January 2016). Let's be realistic, OM-5 brought absolutely nothing new. All the features are old and crippled. I am disappointed I cannot express how disappointed I am!
It seems kind of opposite of WOW. Maybe a MOM camera.
It appears OMD just pretty much rebranded what was out there. Not including USB-C makes me believe the intervals are the same or similar to the previous model. I don’t see this as a reason to purchase
I still love my EM1 Mkii, but I would love to have this camera also with a really nice prime lens. I think I will get one. Thanks Peter!
Bonjour, je garde mon OM -E M 5 marrck III qui est super
Merci pour cette vidéo
ha! I just bought the EM5 mark iii on your recommendations (with the 12-45 pro as kit). No regrets there. I really like the starry night and handheld hi-res shot in the OM5, but I don´t go there very often anyway.
Great video!
I am thinking about getting the OM-5 in the future. It looks like a great camera. I think the OM-5 was critized too harshly by many youtubers and photo outlets during its release. There were two main things that were critized. The lack of USB-C and the simple branding change at the front of the camera. Personally, I never used the USB port on any of my cameras. Second, even though I do miss seeing the Olympus branding, I quite like the new OM System branding on the front. I think the upgrades are certainly substantial.
Despite what many say, I think OM System has a very bright and promising future.
Thanks. You are spot on.
won't get me away from XE-4. No Usb c?
Well Peter you asked for it!! I’m a Nikon Z7 user having changed from Fujifilm. I have big hands and love the extra spacing of buttons and controls etc of full frame cameras. I really need to use a lens longer than 70mm so the extra weight of a full frame system is bearable at my ripe old age of 75. I also like a slow approach to well considered shots on a tripod and thus take only a few each time I go out. Clearly the OM-5 wasn’t targeted for users like me! It has some very interesting features to attract new buyers and I think OM Systems are heading down the right road by developing their computational features. Smartphones must be one of the biggest competitors and they are developing more every year. Thanks for a great video. It was good to watch.
Thank you. I think that adding the computational imaging is a good idea. It is easier to compete with smart phones.
Hello Peter,
Thx for your first Impression.
Your Videos inspire me to upgrade from a pen ep-pl 9 to EM5 Mark III
I pre-ordered the EM-5 Mark III at the Launch.
im a Outdoor Adventure Photographer, 90% of my pictures what i make when i going hiking and mountaineering. The OM1 is a great Camera but for me to expensiv, to big and heavy. I love the small Size and weight from my EM-5 Mark III.
The OM5 is a great camera but the new Features are not a game changer for me. in my opinion a good choice for people who have the older E-M5 Verions or E-M10 Versions.
Features what i personaly wish for a new update:
New Sensor Like OM1
Better Viewfinder
More AF Points
Better OIS is Nice to have but the old OIS from the EM5 Mark III works great. its not a game Changer for me.
The newer Processor is great,
Star AF, hand-held High Res and Live ND are nice to have but not a must have for me.
what bag are you using in this vid?
i hope this camera have a lower price here in philippines. so high others are tempted to buy used a7 iii systems or xt4
I have the Peak Design Messenger bag.
I think they've missed a trick here by not putting a USB-C connection on the device and allowing clean, live video output via a USB-C port. This would really make it into a great video camera as you could then also easily use it as an input video source on your computer to act as webcam or even as a live video camera whilst streaming live.
This can be used as a Webcam. Just plug it in with USB and choose OM-5 from your software. It can be used as a camera for Livestreaming.
@@ForsgardPeter Good to know, thank you. I mentioned USB-C in the comment as the higher data transfer rates of USB-C would obviously help with live video. On another note, can you confirm, Peter, that the live video feed is clean? On the E-M10 Mk2 the feed was clean but on the E-M10 Mk3 the feed always had the battery indicator shown on the video feed no matter what. I raised this with Olympus support and the development team came back stating that they were aware of this and would consider it for the future... would be nice to hear confirmation from reviewers on this kind of thing as it kind of ruins the experience of using the E-M10 Mk3 as a live video source.
I pre-ordered the black one today. Can't wait to go outdoors. Lightweight, great. Now having a Nikon D7500, which is pretty heavy. So, I hope that I am going to live this new beauty.
Good to hear.
When I decided to move away from the full svale DSLR Nikon range, it was because I got tired of lugging around 30 kilos plus of glass. I have not regretted the decision a single day. From the Olympus OMD EM1, up to the latest OM1, I have been thrilled by the results I have achieved in my photography. I just picked up the OM5 and I am tickled pink by the tiny body filled with functionality. Living in Norway really puts challenges to the gear you use. Heat like the Mediterranean and cold like the arctic puts everything to the grueling test of nature. I have never been let down by Olympus! I carry my cameras everywhere and just rinse them off under running water 🤗📷. I can’t wait to bring my new “buddy” out in the world as an exciting new traveling companion.
Peace out 🤗🇬🇷
I bought the OM-5 today with the 12-100mm f4 IS Pro lens. Less portable than a shorter zoom of the 20mm 1.4, but I now only need one lens for most use cases. One important aspect is the weather and dust sealing of the system: camera body and lens. I'll be in dry dusty places in the summer, so do not want to be changing lenses in those conditions. Another reason is that I don't want to lug around a large camera and lens system. The size of the OM-5 is perfect for my needs.
Sounds like a perfect combo for you.
how can I use the Hi Rez mode and a shutter delay. I have a EM5 Mark 11 Thanks
I am not sure if you can do that. If I remember correctly there is only a setting for flash delay between shots.
Looks to me like a firmware update to original em5 iii. Starie sky should have been in mkiii. Along with focus improvements and Nd filter. Not impressed to be honest.
Many of those features would not be possible in E-M5 Mark III. The processor cannot handle those. Truepic IX is needed.
@@ForsgardPeter You are correct. I do feel em5mkiii did not get firmware updates it deserved though. USB c should really be in the new body. Shame I wanted to love this camera but it is stuck with old menus and no subject detection for animals etc. Feels a lost opportunity.
Didn't know how long it would take for this to be released, so got an E-M1 mkiii instead, no regrets)) also wanted something with an Olympus logo, been with them since e-400 in 2006..
Hi,
Good video.
Looking at the specs sheet it appears to be an OMD EM1 Mark III in smaller package but for the new video features.
Same sensor involves the same image quality than OMD EM1 Mark II and III, and that's no bad news.
Congrats and regards
Peter ;Thank you for this commentary .I v an EM10MARK 4 and an EM5 MARK 2 , so I shall be in the market for an upgrade in soem months time. I have to say that I don't aspire to an OM1 ,so to me this sounds like a worthwhile upgrade to consider with some features that would be new to me. It may end as a choice between an EM5 mark 3 and this new OM5 , dependent on price , trade in etc, but to date I am impressed.
I still have my EM5 mark II and that is still an amazing camera to compliment my OM1. My photos were able to keep up with my girlfriends Canon 5 & 6D. Honestly, for whom OM Syetem are marketing the OM5 to, it's the perfect camera. The Live ND and Starry sky features are a great addition for adventure photographers. I am disappointed that we have the older menu system and lack of a "joystick". I also wish my EM5 II could do handheld high res, but it can't. OM5 looks to be an OK camera system. Not fancy or flashy. Great camera for beginners and mid level photographers. Will I upgrade my EM5 II to the OM5? Probably not. What I can't do with the EM5 II i can certainly do with my OM1. Great job Peter on the video and I anxiously wait to see the results of the comparison video of the OM5 with the EM5 III.
Peter, I love how you keep saying Olympus! 😊 Keep on doing it! It’s funny that it’s only a couple of days since I commented on another of your videos about how we both regret the loss of the Olympus name. And now, here we are: the first new “Olympus” camera without the Olympus name on it. It’s a real shame. I don’t hate the OM System branding but I do regret the loss of the long tradition of the familiar and much respected, established name. It may not make a practical difference but it does make an emotional and reputational one.
Thanks. Olympus comes out so easily.
@@ForsgardPeter Yes. Clearly, like me, when you see "OM System" you think "Olympus", and that's probably fairly unlikely to change. (I don't even want it to change, frankly. After all, the heritage is still there.)
I read another comment somewhere, saying they wished that the new name had been OLYMPIC rather than OM System. Having seen that suggestion, I have to see that I really agree with it. There may be practical reasons why it wouldn't have been possible, but it's so close… only two letters would have needed to change, the logo could remain essentially the same, many people would barely notice the difference, and Olympic means "of Olympus" in any case. Shame they didn't go that way…
That is an interesting thought to name it Olympic. Not sure like that ether. name OM SYSTEM has a point. It is part of the history.
@@ForsgardPeter Yes, it is part of history… but OM SYSTEM doesn't really seem like a brand name to me (more like a classification), and the history will be lost on all but the most dedicated Olympus users. Whereas Olympic would have been very obviously and closely related to the original, and it just seems a nicer single-word name to me. I thought it was a really good suggestion, anyway, when I read it, and I rather wished they'd gone with it. (It could have still been "OM System" within the Olympic brand.)
Anyway, it's pointless arguing about it, as the decision has been made! :-) I just thought it was a nice idea.
Yup, it is on order, so I am getting one. The all-black version. Can't wait for it to arrive. Not too long now, providing the shipping dates aren't delayed. I have a couple of photography events coming up and look forward to using this camera for them.
Great to hear. I also prefer the black version. The silver one is quite stylish, but it sticks out, and I want my camera to be as "invisible" as possible.
I am planning on buying one of these, and have one on hold. I have a Mark lV, and had thought of the OM-1, but this also has an AUTO mode, besides the weather sealing and focus stacking.
I can hardly wait!😊(I've ordered the black one also.)
I also prefer black cameras.
I don’t recall seeing this video before (apologies if I did a year ago), but quite enjoyed. Camera is about $300 off right now and that prices it nicely for folks who go outdoors.
Exactly why I’m buying it. For a couple hundred more from the EM10 mIV I get a better camera and the F4 Pro lens. As a new Oly user this checks all the boxes.
A lot of the negatives I’ve seen in reviews come from comparing to the mark 3. But for someone like me, never used either, the old menu system means nothing. It is just what it has.
I have both EM5III and EM1III. I have tried the OM5 and OM1 (not extensively, I must say). To be honest, they didn't feel like a next generation cameras to me. Just not enough improvement to justify an upgrade. I'm glad that these cameras were put to the market though. It showed that the new owner is committed to continue the great tradition of Olympus.
As a first buy, definitely yes, both are great cameras.
Bit disappointed with the old menues and no USB C.
I agree with the old menu system. That is a bit odd that they did not add the new one.
I have a Panasonic G80. Is this a worthwhile upgrade for me? Im looking both into filming in 120 fps and photography. I like the smaller size of it too. I had the first version och EM-5 and really liked it.
It is very hard to say if it worth upgrading. I have not used G80 so I cannot say how suitable it is.
@@ForsgardPeter Its still a good camera but missing a lot of the features like live ND and 120 fps video. Also it has a 16mp sensor and not the 20 like the OM5. I have read people noticing a difference in image quality and that of course would be a big reason for me to change.
Thanks for answering (from Sweden)
Interesting approach. I personally like the idea of a small packaged EM1iii. Suggestions for comparing it to to EM1ii:
1.) Live Nd and HHHRes: Maximum stops and computational times (How long does it takes until I can shoot again).
2.) Focus Stacking: Maximum number of shots (5 mark3 just had 8 Vs. 15 in EM1 series) and processing time (my EM1 mark2 from 2016 is quite slow in this regard).
Looking forward to your next videos. Have a nice day 🙋
I will compare this to E-M1 Mark II in a few weeks. If I can keep the camera for a few more weeks.
Hey Peter, first great video and thank you for taking the time to highlighting some of the positives. However, I'm a bit disappointed with this camera. This should have been an opportunity for OM to bring back what the E-M5 body USED to be which was a camera that was revolutionary and different from the E-M1 bodies. I made two videos about what I think they should have done coming from a marketing and business point of view. This camera is going to be a hard sell. Especially when some of these other cameras that recycling parts or using older tech is coming out at a lower price point. If this was priced under $900(US) this maybe a good option for upgrade otherwise it'd be hard to persuade someone to choose this over something like a Canon R10 or Canon R7.
On an australian store I have read in the feature description: USB charging and power delivery, webcam feature. This would be new feature , is it true? Does the old grip fit?
USB charging and Webcam without any extra software is possible. The old grip fits.
Thank you for your video review of the new OM5. I presently have the EM5 Miii and have been very happy with it except for the fact that I think my camera is a battery sucking vampire at times (more than my old EM5 Mii). Some of the new features on the new OM5 are very temping but I think for me and where I want to take my photography, the OM1 is the one I’ll go with. Maybe Santa will notice it’s at the top of my wish list this year. 😀 Keep up the great work!
Thanks. OM-1 is a very capable camera. Hope Santa can hear you. He lives Finland and I will tell him if I happen to see him. 😀
Thank you!
5:55 what SW do you use fot editing videos? How do you use the OM-LOG to get better colours? a manual video would be great :) thx! :)
I use Premiere Pro. I have planned a video editing tutorial, but have not gotten around to it yet.
Terveisiä Ranskasta Peter!
Usually, I envy you a lot, because you are more than talented. But today, I don't envy you at all.
I would be quite unable to find positive things to say about this camera which is nothing else than the components (except for the USB-C port! Honestly, in 2022, how can they still dare to use micro USB???) and the software (including the old menus) of an E-M1.3 in an E-M5.3 body.
I don't forget that in its time, the E-M1. 3 was rather disappointing when it was released (even if it is still a good camera) because it brought too few improvements compared to the E-M1.2.
The OM-1 let us hope for better days, but the cold shower was not long to come...
How can OMDS continue to make the same mistakes, the ones that caused the loss of Olympus?
It's really a sad day for MFT fans...
Thanks!
Thank you very much.
Thanks for the early review of the new OM-5 camera Peter.
The new OM-5 is from sensor, processor and thus featureset identical to EM1III just in a smaller case. The EM1III was as its time of arrival only a minor update of the EM1II. So is the OM-5 to me.
If my EM5MII breaks I may consider it as a 2nd body. More likely to happen is to replace my EM1III and make it a 2nd body with a more recent OM-1.
The "new" OM-5 seems to be a disastrous outlook into the OM system portfolio (old technology in a new body) - I hope to be wrong!
Arguing about the menu system - I fee the old one. However it's a strong message besides the micro-USB port to have even this identical to EM1III...
Let's wait for Peter's practical comparison with the EM5-3. A pity OM loses momentum here but thinking positively a newer DSP along with reworked firmware and nice to have add-ons is also welcome. And the same body means no need to adjust for me if I choose to upgrade my EM5-3.
Thank you for a very good review. I think that OM SYSTEM makes a right step with OM -5. They need a smaller camera for hikers and mountaineers in the line. This camera is not for those who already have got EM 5 mark III as me. But there is a lot of people who do not have EM 5 mark III and need a camera of this type. So all the buzz about not enough large difference between them has not much sense from my point of view. In fact I like the "old" menu of Olympus very much in comparison with Lumix DC GX-9 that I used for mountaineering before.
Thanks. You are right. The target customer is the hikers etc. For them I think it is a good choice.
Is it true that if the EM5 Mk3 firmware was updated the only real difference would be sealing. Perhaps the firmware upgrade could be for a price.
No, because the computational features requires a newer processor. The upgrade would not be possible with the older Truepic.
Few questions:
1. How does the LiveND handle summer, midday and blue sky?
I had to shoot photos in strong daylight, and i could not use shorter exposure than 1/250 and F5,6. And i did not had ND filter, also It would be more desirable to use polarization filter instead of ND for better color pallette.
Can LiveND lower sensor sensitivity beyond ISO 64?
2. Is focusing faster with newer processor?
Common focusing ... maybe not. I am also not using tracking, but focusing when using Pro Capture? You know on EM-5 MkIII the display visually slows down.
On OM-5 the tracking should be better, but I am really old school photographer with background as a reporter. Even recent photoshoot showed to me that I can handle things without such feature. Would be nice though.
3. Hanheld hi-res?
I started to do more portraits this year. Could be beneficial? Most of my work ... however ... ends on social media, with little to no reason for higher resolution, yet it could be justified for certain situations, when photo has to be used on print.
4. I also use straps from Peak design, also i changed F lever to act as a power button. In most cases I can handle the camera with single hand.
I'm attracted by this camera. Was counting on getting a Panasonic G95 as a compact and practical travel camera. But might wait for this to have a drop in price because it has more features that make it even more practical such as the handheld live ND and High res shot, the starry sky and other. Not concerned with video and the fact that it has a micro usb port.
I don't see how OM is going to draw new users to MFT with this camera. Why would anyone without an existing lens collection migrate to this? The price of entry is too high. Despite all the features of the OM-5, the heart of the system is the sensor, which is not upgraded. I see MFT as still viable, as there are some new sensors coming with higher pixel densities and lower noise. These hopefully will work with the existing large lens ecosystem. Meanwhile, still shooting away with my GX-85 and tiny 20mm Panny f1.7 and Olympus 45mm f 1.8. Do you really need the bigger Oly f1.4? I get weather sealed but still.
I just traded in all my full frame dslr canon gear for an OM-1 with a 12-40mm, a flash and a 75mm in order. Why? Because of the weight and size. I’m a journalist constantly on the move. And I’m getting older day by day.
@@Kvistum-Media I really don't know why you do that. You could have bought a smaller FF mirrorless body and went with f4 glass and you'd get better photos, especially in low light.
@@Kvistum-Media Sure, but there are better values in the MFT ecosystem.
@@veganpotterthevegan If I mount a f4.0 zoom-lens on a FF mirrorless body, the huge size is back. And most of the weight. I could of course use small primes on FF, but changing primes on the go in my job is just slowing me down. The OM-1 with the 12-40 f2.8 zoom is so light and tiny, and at the same time well built and very responsive. Just what I need for this particular purpose. Maybe I sacrifice margins when it comes to absolute image quality, but that is acceptable when I concider the advantages. It is important to mention that the OM-1 is not my only camera. I also have full frame options with primes, when necessary.
@@datapro007 Maybe. But the OM-1 appealed to me. I like the grip, the handling, the responsiveness and the feel.
I’m not big on photography but am looking at this camera for its weather proofing for travel in the Arctic Winter.Has anyone used OM5 in -50c ?
Not that I know of. That is quite cold and most likely there will be issues with the batteries. Be sure to have a few extar batteries in a warm place.
The rumour mill had conditioned me to expect the stacked BSI sensor in the OM-5, so for me that is a miss. I'll hang onto my EM5 iii and treat myself to DXO Real Raw to get a bit more out of the files. If you follow the Narrowband channel, you will understand that there are big changes in Micro 4/3 sensors coming, much better noise control and dynamic range etc., so I'll hold out for this tech to arrive, hopefully, in future OMDS products
I bet it's not in their next body either
Hi Peter, let me premise that I don't make videos and if I do I use the iPhone. So my thought is only for the photo compartment. If today I had to choose between this camera and a Lumix G9 I would still choose the G9. I don't argue about the cool features it has, but it seems to me a new/old camera and with the 800 euro now I buy an old/new camera. A camera that does not have perfect continuous AF but the perfect single focus, has dual card slots, has better ergonomics, and has proven quality. It has far and near focus, great personalization, and excellent stabilization. And last but not last, a good eye finder. For the same money, I add a very good lens such as can be the Leica 12-60 or the 12-35 2.8. You asked for the thoughts of those who follow you with interest and this is mine, without controversy and without factionalism. I'm just saying that for that money I expected something better. The fact that it has a micro USB is not a problem, but it says a lot about the fact that I consider it a recycling operation and an attempted modernization just because everyone was waiting for an OM5 and marketing rules. Kind regards
Like many, I was initially a little bit disappointed with this camera. Thank you for your relatively upbeat review. I think it comes down to expectations. Many of us expected a completely new camera like the OM-1 or at least revolutionary changes over the E-M5 Mark III. This did not happen. Nevertheless, the OM-5 is a more significant upgrade over its predecessor than many have been willing to admit. We should not dismiss the 20 upgrades it offers. The handheld high resolution mode especially stands out to me. Of course, I would have liked to have seen an upgraded sensor and a return to full metal construction. I will probably not replace my E-M5 Mark III anytime soon but the OM-5 will be an excellent choice for someone just starting out with Micro 4/3.
I agree that the expectations were higher. One reason is the rumors. There are things that are not correct even though they are quite accurate.
Same here, I would have liked to see some more, but I think it a quite nice upgrade. It all comes down to the fact that if someone needs/wants the features or not.
USB-C is a huge advantage with transfer speed and charging. Blown away that they'd do this. Nothing made in the past 3-4 years has any business using mini USB ports
This does not convince me to ditch my Panasonic DC-G9.
Great review Peter, thinking of ordering one I wish Om systems updated this camera with its newest camera menu program the same as the new OM1, I feel this would signal the new company move away from the old Olympus system.
I totally agree about the menu system.
Thanks for pointing out the custom modes. Actually I had returned the OM-D EM10 Mark IV because of it's limitations despite it's good grip and display. Also the OM-D EM5 Mark III did not convince me, when I had it in my hands last Saturday. I didn't like the display not being able to be tilted downwards from the back of the camera. It also lacked the custom modes I need for event photography and filming, in order to switch between different settings quickly. I do not understand why they cut back so many of the good features they had in earlier cameras like the Stylus 1s. Since the above mentioned cameras do not fully meet my needs, I have ordered a OM-D EM10 Mark II second hand for the time being. I am looking forward to test it. I was in hope the OM-5 might come up with some good new features such as a better touch display, a newer grip with better ergonomics as the introduced with the EM10 Mark IV and perhaps a USB-C socket with the capability to charge while using the camera. When I compared the technical specifications of the new OM-5 with those of the EM5 Mark III, I could only see very few updates, most of which could possibly also be implemented via an ordinary firmware update. What a disappointment! They have even cut back on the external BCS-5 charger (which is not included anymore). Well, I might take a look at the OM-5 too, when my local store will have it available but for now I shall become more familiar with the differences between the Stylus 1s and the EM10 Mark II.
I'm considering buying this as a second camera to replace my EM5 III and back up my OM-1. It's a definite improvement over the EM5 III, but retaining the compact form factor. However, I am debating whether or not getting a used EM1 III might give me more for my money. A key question is the quality of the Handheld Hi-Res. I noticed a significant improvement in HHHR image quality from the EM1 III to the OM-1. Does the OM-5 retain the old HHHR image quality, or does it also have image quality improvements? If not, I have to decide if the compact form factor and better weather sealing are enough of a factor to chose the OM-5 over the EM1 III, especially given the downsides like the smaller battery, live ND only to 16, and less intuitive custom buttons.
I have not compared the HHHR with other cameras. Cannot say about that at the moment.
Cont. I Hope that not mentioned computational features like livetime and livecomposote are preserved.
Is there a 20 MP BSI stacketd sensor built in?
Unfortunately there is no possibility to have a tiltable screen, very much needed for street photography....
It is the same sensor as E-M1 Mark III. Live Composite and LiveTime is there.
The biggest thing for me not to upgrade from my original marklll is that om system name on the camera front, I’m sticking too the classic Olympus camera brand name looks far better.
Is the continuous AF good enough to shoot action sports? I'm sure the weather sealing beats my Sony A6400, but how does the AF compare?
I have not tested OM-5 shooting action sports. It would not be first choice for that type of photography. On the other hand depends on your style of shooting.
hi the OM-D M1 Mark III is great for whippet racing and they sprint faster than any man can run hope that answers your question
I have never used Sony, but I can tell you that shooting people surfing with a 100-300 Lumix lens, hand held, was great fun and yielded great images.
It would seem that the bottom plate and the tripod "socket" have been reinforced given the weaknesses noted, is this the case?
As many hikers have reported this plastic body bottoms fails on em5m3 if you using PD capture clip as it is obvious to use. Some have mentioned it is for tripod only. In this weak point/case it fails to be for hikers/outdoor imo. Only time will tell, again.
Interesting that the tripod plate thing comes up again and again. Not sure how common it has been that it has broken. I have gotten emails about three cases. I do get a emails when something is wrong with an Olympus camera. Usually people ask what to do about it. If that was a problem and the service facilities has gotten a lot of broken cameras they would have/did done something about it. I have not heard very many real world cases about this.
@@ForsgardPeter
Hi Peter! There is an latest om-5 article in dpr about this tripod plate problem and it seems those tripod threads are for om-system products only:
_The one thing that Olympus shooters want to know about is durability. The E-M5 Mark III got a reputation for being "plasticky," which was only reinforced when a number of cameras had their tripod sockets damaged when in use. Yes, the bottom plate is still plastic on the OM-5, but OMDS says it's been strengthened (while noting that third party accessory compatibility is never guaranteed)_
I'll be sticking with my M5 mk3, I gave 800 GBP for it lsst year, 2 years old with the 12-200 lens, all mint and boxed.
Using the better hardware from the EM-1 iii is not surprising. I never had any issues with the picture quality (I use Topaz software). The OM-1 made huge strides in af which was my main issue. I used a 5.3 as a second camera for less challenging situations (it's my daughters now)so this looks like a decent second camera. Paired with my 12-45mm and the 40-150mm f4 it will make a very nice carry about kit.
I have the OMD EM5iii . . . and the 1.7 ver . . . maybe an update someday will add the Starry Sky AF feature?
I’m hoping the same for my EM1ii.
What lens do you recommend the 12-45 or 14-150 for the OM5? Like the size of the 12-45 but afraid I’ll miss out. Plan on taking outdoor, landscape and street photos.
Both lenses are good choice. For general travel and all aroind photography I mioght go woth the 14-150mm. As you said 12-45mm is smaller and it is bettre for street photography.
I am also disappointed. This more feels like an EM5MK3s than an OM5. Why no new Menu System? Or a better EVF? Just a few new AF Features from the OM1? Headphone Jack? Or a Joystick? USB-C? This could have been sooo much better for a smaller Body than it is
No usb c, it's almost 2023... Recycled em13.., they should have added a 3.6mil dots evf, type c and USB pd
The 20 upgrades are not enough to warrant changing from EM5iii for me, but are certainly good steps. Perhaps the next version will have the better subject tracking and a little increase in the grip size that I'd be looking for. Also, it'd be useful to have the fast charging capability of USB-C.
I agree, if you do not see that the upgrades in the features are something you need/want it is not a wise move to upgrade. Especially if you already have the E-M-5 Mark III.
Peter, can you confirm that tripod hi-res shot is at 50M as the handle-hand one? I am not able to find the 80M resolution in the OM-5 menu. Thanks
Tripod HHR is a 80 Mpix raw file.
But in the OM-5 settings the only option for both tripod and handle-hand hi-res is 50M while in OM-1 there is 50M or 80M.
@@Giuseppe-ub7cy Raw or JPEG?
The Menu System resembles the Panasonic Lumix or am I seeing things? I have the E-M5 III, so, I believe I will wait awhile to see what else OM Systems does with the OM-5 or if they come out with an OM-10 or resurrect the PEN-F with a newer sensor. PEN-F is making a comeback, but, the prices for used, if you can find one are steep.
Hi Peter, in a future review, please compare the image quality of this new camera versus some of the older 16mp cameras, like the E-M5 mark ii, thank you.
For now DPReview's image comparison tool is a great way to compare noise performance across multiple sensors. Check it out.
I will compare this to Olympus cameras in the future.
Hej Peter! Peter här. Tycker att du gjorde en bra video trots att cdet inte riktigt var vad som förväntades. Du är en bra ambasadör för OM Systems! :)
Tack även om jag inte är säker på om detta är sarkasm? 😀
@@ForsgardPeter Nej, det är min ärliga mening Peter. Du gör ett kanonfint jobb som ambasadör! :)
kanonfint eller canonfint! 😀
I have the em10 mkIII looking at upgrading. I have one question, is the sensor in the em10 mkIV the same as the one in the OM-5?
Same number of megapixels (20), but the OM-5 adds phase detect AF, which the E-M10 line doesn't have.
@@mattwaller8959 Thank you
Yes same sensor, but 20MP on a chip 1/4 size of FF is still pretty impressive. Going up to OM5 would give you a better processor, as well as Phase Detect AF, ProCapture mode with appropriate lenses, HDR mode, handheld HiRes, digital NDF mode as well as other features.
@@AlwaysSurfable yes and steer clear of contrast detect. You'll know how dreadful that is just by using the EM10 Mk III (which I've used - where C-AF is completely and utterly unusable and movie mode focusing is a nightmare unless used in a very bright sunny day).
I'm hoping for more critical approach. Honestly it should be named om-10 and priced accordingly. Then it would be a great camera.
Most are good as restarting new brand, but why still keep old micro usb port ? (Keep for next small upgrade next version? )
I think something that Olympus and OM system continue to undersell is the capabilities of hi-res mode. With my research on the different hi-res offerings from other manufacturers, it seems like only Oly/OM allows flash use with hi-res mode, which would be amazing for still life/product photography. Hopefully you get a chance to play with that on the OM-5
I agree that Olympus/OMDS has nt always been the best to bring out the good stuff.
I think it is the right direction. But keeping the old menusystem is wrong. It makes it difficult to buy this as a backup for OM-1.
I agree that the choice of menu system was a wrong one. It will be interesting to hear why they chose that road. Some say that it is the processor, but I have not heard anything from OMDS yet.
As a E-M1 Mark III user, how does this stack up? (I don't really have the knowledge to be able to compare specifications/technical info). I got the E-M1 Mark III new and quite a bit cheaper with a lens during a OM-system promotion so I ended up paying less then what this new Camera and lens kit, If you would recommend either camera to someone, which would you choose?
Some say that it is a mini E-M1 Mark III. I have not tested then side by side, but there are quite a few features from E-M1 Mark III.
@@ForsgardPeter Thank you for the video and taking the time and effort out to reply, I appreciate it.
I'm a but underwhelmed. Old OS / menu system, same sensor, same video specs, there's no compelling reason to upgrade from a E-M5 III, and that's already getting on in years. I think I'd look at the used market for a E-M5 III before buying one of these. I don't understand why OM released this camera; maybe simply to fill the gap created by discontinuing the E-M5 III by offering a nearly identical (if dated) replacement? Very strange.
Thanks for the video Peter. Wonderfully shot and presented as always!
I would like to upgrade to this from my om5 Mk 2 which isn't the fastest for computational photographing (e.g. focus bracketing). From that camera it's IMO an reasonable upgrade
It is a huge upgrade for E-M5 Mark II.