America is a strange one, you can buy a gun, drive a car, join the military and go to war all at 18 years old but you can't buy a beer till 21 haha. Strange place.
I think a lot of people are more scared of the guns that can fire more bullets before you have to reload so that’s why they always talk about banning the semi autos
@@mitchlamping530 ...you can fire 30 to 100 rounds from a handgun without reloading if you simply buy larger magazines. and nearly every gun is semiautomatic, including almost all handguns. besides pump shotguns bolt-action rifles and a few other small minority of guns.
Jeff Allison yeah but those crimes are the low hanging fruit. You can't actually expect the police force to serve and protect, they have arrest quotas to fill.
I don't think it's an easy issue to solve. And we're so divided. AND we want to look to Congress to solve our problems, but is there a way to work on this without needing them?
I think the main issue is that people are divided on what the issue actually is, and until people agree what the issue is no steps can be taken to resolve it. Half are arguing that the issue is guns and the other half are arguing that its not guns, that it's issues such as mental health for example. So America is stuck in a stalemale, with both sides refusing to budge, and meanwhile everyday regular people are having their children shot in the head.
Its redundant to say we're divided, we're always divided, it just changes when half the populace stop giving a shit, doesn't mean they now 100% agree. Only 13% of Americans wanted to revolt against Great Britain
Spore6001 personally, i don't see a clear solution. 1) take away guns? or come up with some buyback program like Australia did? i don't think that's going to work in the US, and I think it's very likely you'll have people keeping what they already have illegally. 2) figure out how to reach people with mental health issues? this seems more plausible, but again, it's really complicated. how will we be able to identify every potential threat? it seems like in this case more might have been done to stop this kid. I just don't know what a rollout of a real program would look like, but it seems like a good avenue. 3) make it harder to get a gun? this might be helpful. 4) arm and train teachers and faculty? maybe. maybe if there were a handful of highly trained individuals at every school, these things wouldn't happen. i just wonder if that's possible. maybe the mere risk of their being highly trained individuals in public places would be enough of a deterrant.
To give my personal opinion, I favour solution 3. I understand that getting rid of guns outright would cause to much of an issue in America, it seems very engrained in the culture and founding values. Guns can be a very useful tool for home protection. However, that doesn't mean it has to be a free-for-all. Apparently the shooter obtained his gun legally. It's also frustrating when you hear about congress shutting down ANY legislation to do with regulating guns, even the smallest increase in strictness. This also becomes even more frustrating when you look into how much the NRA donates to congressmen every year.
its pretty crazy how people think of depression as a totally normal feeling. think the majority of people see it as just being sad when its alot worse its more then just bad thoughts along with real pains that can last years its pretty horrible.
Samsonov GS bruh who cares about the exaggeration of a word, this video is about innocent lives dying and you’re worried about a definition from webster
Depression is a natural response to a shitty environment. Most mass shooters were neglected by their family, drugged up by psychologists and had no will to live because no one loved them.
Yeah, i have had a lot of down times in my life. Times where I was overweight, times where I had horrible acne on my face, times where my grades were so awful and it was ruining my relationship with my parents. But I don’t think I was ever depressed. I was just sad and lost. A lot of people confuse sadness with depression. And i guess it’s kinda just the easy way out of hard times to say your depressed.
SCDO CARLOS yea but they’re still guns. Nail guns can be used as weapons too. It’s not guns who kill. It’s ppl. An axe can be used to kill. A knife can also be used to kill ppl. CARS!!! It’s not the weapon that’s the problem, it’s the user.
@@Turboman-kx7cc Water guns are designed to shoot water. The only way someone could kill you with it would be if they tried to very slowly drown you. Nerf guns are toys and the bullets are foam and plastic, the only way that could kill you would be if you choked on a bullet. Yes, tools and cars can kill if not used properly, but all forms of bladed tools are just that--tools, for cutting open boxes or cooking and so on. Cars are for transportation. But guns on the other hand are designed to kill things. Guns can't fix leaky faucets
It's a gun culture issue, the USA is the only country in the world with both a gun culture and these mass shootings. Do the math, it's not complicated.
@@kurziieee that's wrong on so many levels. If it was a gun culture issue, every single gun owner would have a high body count. You know why they don't? Because they're not fucking crazy. The only difference between me and the parkland kid is that he is fucking crazy and willing to shoot innocent people. Guns arent the issue.
It's not access to mental health or guns from my perspective. I have had the good fortune to travel allot and i have seen widespread access to guns in many countries. In Guatemala I hired a driver who had a sawed off shotgun stuck between the seats, I watched as a coca cola truck filled a soda machine as a guy stood next to it with a AK-47 guarding it. In Thailand my father in law has a S&W .357 right in Bangkok, getting a gun isn't very hard in Thailand and there is shooting ranges right in the city. In Russia you can own semi-automatic rifles, Shotguns, pistols are limited to rubber bullet models. Yet still in these countries they don't have mass shootings. Russia is a rural gun owning culture yet they don't shoot up schools. Why? Does anybody really believe Guatemala for instance has better access to mental health than the United States? Fuck no. I think for people like Rogan it's hard to see what the average American is experiencing on a daily basis in his Ivory Tower. With all due respect, and i do respect Joe Rogan, I think he is a good person, but living the life of money and celebrity that he does is a night a day difference from what the rest of us experience. To put it simply, we have a terminally sick country, and sick culture. Half of the country hates the other half. We only care about material things, consumption, money and vanity. We don't care for our fellow man, for our neighbors or have a sense of the greater good for the majority over the few. Here it's "fuck you, i got mine. I earned this or god gave it to me, so if you're poor you probably deserve it." All the while we know America is falling apart, again half of the country blames the other half. I'm not here to tell you which half is right. This reality isn't lost on our youth, on the kids who bully each other over vanity and wealth, of kids who come home each day to overworked depressed, angry or suicidal parents. Our country and culture is dying. *This is MUCH bigger than just guns or access to mental health. It is like standing besides your home engulfed in flames and saying is the problem lack of fire extinguishers or too many fire hazards. Call 911 motherfucker, you need to put the fire out first.*
How bout we fix all the fucked up shit in our country and maybe that will help. You know like get everyone out of poverty, give everyone access to healthcare, give everyone free college education, make the corporations and billionares pay their fair share. Doing all of this will reduce crime. You right wingers can call me a sociologist/commie I don't give a fuck. It works. Looks at places like Norway amd Sweeden. They were so peaceful and happy until we created chaos in the middle east with our imperialism that led to the European migrant crisis. Last but not least, universal background checks on gun buyers. Don't give guns to mentally ill ppl, something the GOP undid under Obama.
Zevin X No its more this fire has already happened so what we do now is figure out why this fire started and how to prevent another house from catching fire.
I agree with this view as well. It's a cultural decay and America is an empire in decline. Don't blame Duck Hunt! I grew up playing that game and have no desire to shoot anyone or anything :)
We need to raise our children to respect others and have compassion for other, no matter what their views are or religious beliefs. That should be the duty of every person and parent in this world, let alone the country. The break down in morals is a huge deal!
Soooo, what about those whose "parents" are on drugs?, Alcohol, abusive, absent, working ALL of the time, etc., etc., What if the teenager was born crack, or some other mind/mood altering drug, addicted and have little to no impulse control??? *GET RID OF THE DAM GUNS!!!!!*
Godsbaby7149@sbcglobal.net Did you not read every person, not just parent? And if you’re aware of anyone in situation like that, you can assist them where to go to get help and speak with someone.. I think just treating our fellow man with respect and dignity is a great step in the right direction since we sure seem to have an empathy and ‘it’s not my problem, I don’t care’ mentality.. Teach people proper gun use and safety as well.. defence for in a hostile situation.. taking away guns is a bandaid on the issue that’s gushing let’s just say.. and I’m Canadian saying don’t let them take your rights, but instead work on better control, and screening for buying and obtaining firearms. But again, you’d be surprised how easy it is to illegally obtain a weapon for those that want it.
I think a lot of it has to do with the advancement of technology and all the evil that comes with exposure to the internet.This kid had the resources to study what others had done and found information that reinforced the sick ideas in his head. I’m not saying ban the Internet. What I am saying is these shootings are really an inevitable side effect of human progression and not the result of a few missed spankings as a child.
Just because someone suffers with some form of mental illness, like depression, doesn’t set them up to be a mass murderer. I hate that. That just perpetuates the stigma. What possessed the shooter to do what he did is not depression or childhood traumas. There’s something more sinister, but it’s not fair to group that and the common case of clinical depression under the same umbrella.
Still, bullying doesn’t set someone up to shoot up a school full of children. There’s plenty of people that have had hard lives, have been bullied, have depression or some other mental health issue, and they don’t kill people! You’d have to be very disturbed and psychopathic to do that. You cannot put what this guy did in the same category as the millions of Americans and other people around the globe that suffer from some form of mental illness.
“It seems like the AR15 should be focused on” and you immediately lose any credibility given the vast amount of information why that statement is only spoken by people who have no idea what they are talking about.
Deez Nuts, what's wrong with shooting a gun in "YOUR" house? Is he hurting someone? Is he destroying valuable property? You're a fucking troll GTFOH here troll.
It's because America is a mean place . society is mean . These people get bullied, rejected , outcasted by society and go crazy. American society is too judgemental that's why so many people have depression and social issues.
Blame this on the morals & values in today's society. Society has embraced violence of all forms. Best example of this is our tv shows, the movies, the music, our video games and even the cartoons we plop our kid's in front of. Violence is everywhere in society, in certain respects we thrive on it. People laughed at Vice President Quayle when he mentioned the failure of today's values is a direct result of the failure of the family. The guy was ahead of his time and very accurate.
Imagine if police officers weren't using a majority of their time policing CIVIL traffic offenses, and were actually patrolling the neighborhoods AND SCHOOLS. Technically, it's a conflict of interest for a peace officer to handle both criminal and civil law ( Our justice system is more concerned about collecting money from civil offenses). Place the highway patrol in with Dept of transportation,and let them handle the civil traffic offenses. If they come across a criminal act such as DUI or warrants, the police officer is just a radio call away patrolling our neighborhoods, like they should be!
Sam Ride Thats retarded. What happens when they run into armed suspects? Routine traffic stops are an integral part of crime prevention. The problem cannot be solved with more or different policing.
I don't disagree, but that's an easy 7 word statement to make. What's the next 7 words, the next paragraph on how you handle it? What happens after you institute gun control and there are 300 million guns out there? Should we care about all those people we'll put out of a job or that will lose a business - do we support them or forget them because they're pigs that sell guns? Is it all guns that get banned, or some guns? If it's some guns, like things for hunting, who makes that decision? Are there carry/conceal permits? How do you enforce control if you allow hunters to have guns? Do you change the guns cops can carry, do those go away? etc etc - if you truly believe in "proper" gun control, you should try to be a bit more descriptive in your comments instead of shotgunning a sound bite.
The root is how kids are raised, humility, love and respect in the household. Pay attention to your children, have those tough conversations from time to time. These may not work 100% but it will definitely prevent some horrible situations.
RIght, its what gun regulation is for, so that people dont have acces to them just because they wanna acces them... so its not EASY to get a hold of one.
Since 1994 gun ownership in the US is up 64%. The gun homicide rate is down 49%. Guns saves lives. (Sources; National institute of justice; pew research)
Axe ODA8 on the whole in general (street crime and gang warfare is down) but school shootings are on the increase. gang crime and school shootings aren't exactly the same thing. both have guns as the common denominator though.
Ben Quinlan The facts speak for themselves. scared liberals want to use peoples emotions to bastardize the constitution so that they can sell our country to the 3rd world like they have in Europe, while we watch like a bunch of helpless neutered wimps. politicians would fill their pockets and grab more and more power. This is why we have the 2A
Remember that schools are "gun free zones" by law. The key factor there is the expectation of unarmed victims. That is, there is an expectation of less resistance and more capacity for massacre, media attention, etc.
Axe ODA8 What part of what I said is false? I made a few statements, so you'll have to be more specific. You honestly believe that the US, with a population of over 300 million people, over 70% are christian and only about 1% are muslim. In 20 years you claim they will be a majority? hahahahahaahhha You are a moron.
Marbles McGee when you said "americans are fucked in the head" you made it sound like you weren't american. I know we are just fine here in the usa. You are also trying to make it seem like there are several mysterious factors behind the high murder rate in our most violent citys when all of our most violent citys have the same commonalitys, strict gun laws and long established liberal government. That sir is why you are an asswipe and a moron
The problem with today's youth is that we are all becoming disconnected with reality. The constant connection with social media, our phones, video games ect. have deteriorated actual human connections; leading to a sense of disconnection with others. We need to spend time with our kids and teach them that love is all that matters and the importance of individuals and that life is precious. All we truly have is each other. Love one another and accept that we are all different and embrace it.
There were 10,000 game titles added to Steam in 2016. Half of them the theme was "men killing men". In addition young people no longer have "best friends", because their entire social world exists online. They also don't have real-life experiences like prior generations - so easy to pump up your cred by "bashing a nazi" on FB and getting those likes. Who needs human interaction? They are just goo, just a clump of cells.
Joe, I'm from Texas, and every response I got said that they have an armed guard, or in my high school case, an armed police officer on campus. Everyone in my high school loved our officer and got along with him! I feel that we need to have more trained officers, but also counselors to recognize these behaviors in kids. Trust me, if done correctly, the officer can not only be an officer, but also a person to talk to for these kids, as the officer in my school was.
But was that equal to the risk? Having served in the military, I would call this an attack. In fact, I would classify it as a fighting patrol culminating in an ambush. It would have been difficult to stop without prior intelligence.
hyperrat12 Retired Police Officers with a strong History of positive interaction with the public would make good candidates for these positions, most Police retire after 25 years of service so they are relatively young at retirement age. Possibly retired Military people. Psych evaluation’s should be a standard part of the evaluations.
brianwhover Then I guess we would have had to rock paper scissors shoot for first draw. Who knows what anyone is carrying at any time. One of us may have ended up shot depending on the situation and many variables. In my situation, the presence of my holstered weapon gave him enough pause to rethink his actions. Plus we were able to jump in a cab quickly and get out of danger.
How about the dash cam footage where people with road rage pulls out a weapon which of course gets diffused? Like for example a biker pulls out a bat, machete, or a pipe and the guy with the dash cam steps out with his gun drawn. Aggressor drops the weapon, drops to the ground, gun holder moves the weapon out of reach and it's taken care of.
What you fail to see, no one is against self defense. Everyone is on your side in that scenario. it is about military grade material on streets. You cant live life one extreme or the other (no guns!! or all guns!!!) ya know? idk im not american, I carry a hand gun for protection because I was screened and cleared but if I wanted an assault weapon id enlist and serve my country where it matters. You can kill a few people in a crowed with a knife, its about prevention. Better a few injured by knife than dozens by a gun.
"I have a buddy that conceal carries everywhere" "I hope I never accidentally make fun of him" This is part of the problem. Some people think a law abiding citizen like Joe's friend is just going to snap and pull his gun out on someone for making fun of them.
+Andrew Ashhole I didn't pick up on any comedic tones, inflections, or sentiments. The conversation was, and remained, serious in nature. Even then, it would be a disingenuous joke.
SpecTRe X Listen to how Tony says it. He's clearly joking and anyone that can't see that is just a lost cause. Do you know what tone is? Do you make jokes? Do you speak to people?
This is why liberals should not have access to guns. They know that they, themselves, are unstable; and have little self control. They project these character flaws onto everyone else; assuming that we are as defective are they. This is why logical, self controlled conservatives do not understand their (liberals) irrational fears. We also, frequently, assume that others are, or can be, as rational and self controlled, (and therefore not a danger to ourselves or others), as are we. However, conservatives recognize that there are those who cannot control themselves or act in a rational manner; and we therefore, choose to defend ourselves as necessary.
Have you ever noticed that since the government and the Department of Children and Families has made parents afraid to discipline their kids, that these shootings have happened more often. Kids are raising themselves these days, because both parents have to work so much to pay everyday bills. The parents arent able to guide their children in the right path anymore. If your kid does something bad and gets spanked, you can get arrested and your kids taken away. So whos to blame here? Kids run wild and are raised and taught by video games and TV nowadays.
Mark Smith I totally agree the whole "It takes a village to raise a child" era is died. Children today are spending more time then ever being brain washed & desensitized to respect & Humanity. From violent video games & other forms of entertainment. More perversion, confusion, drugs, alcohol, promiscuous, rape, lack of respect, racism & every ism's out there. What was considered absurd when I was growing up is the new Norm. With every decade that goes by, it's getting dangerous guns aren't the only problem. It's the officials that were meant to represent & help us better protect what we love most. But chooses to fatten their bank accounts instead. Because at the end of the day, our fears, concerns & problems that we face in this crazy place will never be there issues or reality for them. Especially when there too busy looking out for themselves and each other to give a damn & that's what's upsetting.
I'm in the UK and first thing you hear here is "Ban the guns like we did!" Big difference is we didn't have many guns in circulation so banning was easy. There's just too many guns in the USA to do that would be extremely dangerous it would be open season for criminals. At the same time if you arm teacher's what happens when one of them snaps and goes on a rampage? As I said I'm in the UK so its not on me to start shouting the odds but it seems no one needs a AR15 for protection' and as for defending from a tyrannical government that's just horse shit. If the army rolls down your street with tanks and air support it doesn't really matter how many bullets your AR15 has does it
I'm from the UK and you are correct that there are too many guns and gun nuts in the US or either won't give up their guns or getting rid of these guns will be very hard. However proper gun control will definitely help.
The problem with the "There are already too many guns out there" argument is that the alternative is "Do nothing". Australia had a whole lot of guns out among citizens, and they were able to do a pretty thorough buyback. It'd take a LOT more to get it going here in the US, but a process needs to at least begin. It'll take a long time, but SOMETHING has to be done.
JackgarPrime it takes the police min 15 to 20 mins to get to my house on a call..aint no one buying anything of mine back.....why wasnt the school locked down..just like the schools around me .you have to be buzzed in..and its legal for adults to conceal carry in the school and on school grounds where i live in michigan....there isnt or hasnt been some fucking moron shoot up any school around me..n if there ever was. It wouldn't be the cops you had to worry about. It would be the old farmers and vets coming for ur ass ....do i think people should have to do a licensing...it wouldn't be a bad idea....but we shouldn't glorify these crazy asses al over t.v either....it gives these outcast a way to be glorified and worshipped..i would bet everything i have on thats why these kids do it. To be famous and respected and feared..
I went to a high school that was considered pretty rough by many standards. It was also one of the biggest schools in the city. They had armed guards at the school (they were part of the city PD). We never had any school shootings that I know of. We did have bomb threat once though.
This is crazy! I’m from the uk and knives are the problem here! But you guys and your guns! And none of you think that’s the problem? Please, come on folks! We all know if the guns were outlawed crime would have a massive fall over there.
sunny one if that’s the case buddy. Then why don’t we have that same problem. Don’t get me wrong I love the idea of being able to carry firearms! But because none of us do obviously we don’t have these mass shootings. Clearly something needs to be done. But all you folk seem to be pro firearms so I can’t see anything changing for you and I’m sure not to far away we will be hearing of more mass shootings!
sunny one dude I’m not saying he ain’t a loony bin! But if he didn’t have a gun and say for instance he just had a knife!? Do you think he would do as much damage as having an automatic rifle?
It is so sad how many people think every shooting is a hoax. It is so disrespectful to the families and victims it just makes me sick. You people need a dose of reality and need to realize that terrible things can happen.
joe BONES So you know more than all the parents that lost there children? You think they are all just lying? Its people like you that make america look so fucking stupid and i actually feel sorry for you.
People aren't saying that it is a hoax if they are calling it a false flag. People can still be killed in a false flag event, but the real murderers are the ones behind the scenes who are orchestrating them for their own agenda. Most of these mentally unstable kids are groomed by the FBI or the Deep State, and are mere patsies, the lone gunman, fall guy for their orchestrated event, with the agenda of trying once again to get Americans to give up their guns. These events have been happening in America since its inception. It is usually a certain type of corrupt group who think that doing these things are okay as long as they succeed in their ultimate goal. The Democrats who jumped on this event in the news were ready and waiting to manipulate the raw emotions of the populace to get them to give up their guns are likely the ones responsible for those deaths.
The real problem is our system(political,economical,societal,governmental...etc).There are 1000 times more people dying in this country from prescription drugs and opiates...In a world today,there are hundreds of thousands of kids that are still dying from hunger or inedaquate medical care...In a past 20 years,there are more than million of deaths thanks to American and Western world and Nato military actions(more than 100 000 Kids in Iraq lost their lives)that were supposed to spread "democracy" and end dictatorships all over the world...and this is only tip of the iceberg...More people die from the seasonal flu then from mass shootings or terroristic attacks...But guess what? No one wants to talk about these problems in mainstream media...I am all for weapons free world but you gotta ban weapons to everyone,including military,police and government...System is rigged and this is becoming ridicuolusly obvious...
strahi popovic so by being all for a gun free world, you're essentially all for a devil worshiping One World Order ! Look up Iron Mountain [ ? ] For Tyranny. It will bring HELL on Earth.
strahi popovic part of the problem too is escalation. When the public has access to more high powered weapons than the police. The police seek out higher powered weapons, and act in a far more paranoid way such as shooting someone reaching for their wallet in a traffic stop. When fewer people have weapons the need for weapons to defend yourself is lessened.
Civilians stopping violence with a firearm in the US are far more common than people release. I have a CCW permit myself and have for a long time while I was at the laundromat around 5 years ago I drew on a man who picked up a young girl who she obviously didn't know he dropped her and ran away the girls mom called the police and he was later arrested. That was the only time I have ever drawn a weapon and if I wasn't armed yes I still would have done something but it may not have been as quick or effective. BTW I don't know anyone who has a CCW who would even consider using a pistol on someone that pissed them off.
Wanizame What if the dude had a gun too? Or a knife? Or he was bigger? There's always gonna be scumbags, and as long as there's guns, (no getting rid of them now) we may as well arm as many reasonable potential heroes as we can to stop the psychos.
In the described situation of child abduction (where the selected victim is weak and defenseless) it is extremely rare for the culprit to be violent when confronted, look it up, they will often retreat shamefully. Everyone starts carrying weapons and you inevitably have the loons who pull a handgun on the first person to look at them funny. That said i commend the OP for intervening at all in this situation. The "there is no getting rid of them" attitude is part of the problem. There are scumbags in the UK too and, yes, you are 1.5 times more likely to be burgled in the UK than the US BUT you are 4 times more likely to be murdered in the US and 35 times more likely to be murdered with a gun. Even aggravated assault is 6.9 times higher in the US - which would suggest fear of "have a go heroes" is relatively low despite being a supposed detterent . All this bearing in mind the UK has a much higher population density (people per square mile). I understand that guns is a part of America culture and its not easy to change but there is no reason a civilian in the western world needs to own a semi-automatic weapon. There were armed guards at this school and they still did not prevent the murder of 17 students. They should have been "heroes" by your logic - they weren't.
death and evil is a part of the human condition and will never go away no matter how much people wish it would. Either you prepare for the worst or the worst finds you unprepared.
"Either you prepare for the worst or the worst finds you unprepared." Which is why I'm sure you never leave the house without a kevlar vest, a bike helmet and 3 days worth of supplies. Right? Which is also why your house is part house part nuclear fallout shelter? Wouldn't want to be found unprepared, hm?
The function of society is to mitigate the odds for "the worst" to find you, it is also part of our duties toward one another as fellow human beings. Yes, people will still have the opportunity to kill each other, because such is the cost of a free society. THis does not mean that it's useless to make unlawful killings (murder) illegal. THe fact that death and suffering is a constant of existence does not exclude the importance of law in these cases.
in fact i never have to leave my house. i live in a kevlar suit that filters all my air, and produces water from atmospheric vapor. I identify as a land-based A10 Warthog. My suit is powered by nuclear cold fusion. I require nothing from the environment, so yes, I am always prepared for people who take arguments ad absurdum and pretend like they have a point.
I love the fact that you see both sides of the issue and talk about it so freely, and you're chief concern is finding a solution. That is something that is difficult to find in the middle of an issue that is so emotionally charged. The solution to this issue is not going to be a simple one. A complicated problem is going to require a complicated solution. It will talk serious open non-emotional dialogue to figure it out. Totally agree with you on that. Asking someone why they want firearms is like asking someone why they study martial arts, or get into an Octagon and beat the crap out of each other. You'll hear all the same reasons for it. Interesting couple of facts for you. 30% of Americans own 100% of the firearms in this country. That's 95.6 million people who own all of the 257 million firearms. The U.S. Military (counting the national guard, reserves, and coast guard) only numbers 2.2 million. The Japanese, after the war was over, the leaders stated the reason they wouldn't invade U.S. soil was because of all the firearms owners in the country. They aren't the only ones who have said it. Firearms ownership is a deterrent to such things. It's also a deterrent for our government committing democide, or over stepping its constraints regarding the U.S. Citizens. I believe you're on the right track though with looking closer at the psychological aspects of the issue. People don't value human life as much as they use too. I've also noticed that people really don't consider issues to be issues until they are major issues. It's as if the concept of, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." As an example, people that end up in an affair often look at their situation and wonder how did I get here. You often hear it explained as, "we were talking one day and the next thing I knew we were sleeping together." Well, you start talking, at some point emotions develop, a kiss comes into play, and that eventually leads to other things until finally they are in the middle of a full blown affair. If they put some distance into the equation the moment you realize you have feelings for someone while you are in a committed relationship already, it wouldn't get to the affair stage and you wouldn't find yourself in the middle of break up or divorce as a result. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If there are signs, and people are reporting the signs, then authorities need to investigate, and then act on it rather than blowing it off as a teen acting out, or there's no law violated yet and do nothing. If the signs are there, investigate and do something. Now in Florida as a result of the Parkland atrocity, Police can now baker act a person, petition the courts and remove the weapons from the person's possession. They would then need to petition the courts to have their weapons returned to them, after 60 days. Psychological evaluation results from that period would be considered heavily in the decision. Complicated issue, complicated solution, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
When I was a teen in the 80's, I carried my .22 long rifle to school on the bus and walked down the hallway to the wood working shop to finish the stock and fit it to a new gun rack that I had built. The .22 rifle was giving to me by my grandfather who brought the rifle with him from out of state... on an airplane. This problem is DIRECTLY related to a societal change. Guns have been around forever, but we didn't have school shooting problems until Columbine.
Yeah but now they argue theirs always been mass shootings, and theirs always been a lot. Still when you look into them you can clearly see very different and identifiable motives. The modern mass shootings seem to have no motives at all no personal relation, just spray n prey in a populated area where guns are forbidden. Kill count is only motive. Past mass shootings typically are more likely to be gang related or domestic issues, and the shooter knows and has personal relations with victim/victims and it becomes a mass shooting because witnesses get killed etc.
Being on social media has it effects. we see a lot of crazy things on a daily basis. It's crazy how humans down play our ability to hurt others. when we are savages animals to begin with.
Social media 100% is having an influence on teens (especially high school age). Social media is definitely to blame in the rise of mental illness. It’s a plague on us that’s just making our society more and more sick. That’s why I have no accounts except UA-cam.
Kaylee Lovell besides the lazy poor people skills and attitudes passed on every other generation, theres always a second party picking up traits after strangers as well
So true bro but it's only a problem compared to statistics Japan murder/shootings death toll:25-30 America:3000 yearly this country was built on violence hence the 2nd amendment
This is why an education is necessary so we can become civilized humans with good intentions. HOWEVER, it is tragic that one must experience this upon trying to achieve that.
The school I went to has two cops that patrol the school. One stays in the office where he watches the security cameras the other drives around the school at the beginning and end of school.
This not a solution; rather, a non-ban alternative that adds to this comment. Place a metal detector at every school and that/those are only way to get inside! It is time! Courts do it, other gov buildings do it. If we are to be a gun-world U.S. of A., then we must admit to some realities. There will be accidents, there will be gun-deaths, there will be those who will try to use a gun to slaughter. If we want to reduce all this, there will be a cost. What is saving lives worth to a gun-owning We the People?
You nailed the answer Joe -- "We're in a time where people value other people so poorly" --THAT'S THE ANSWER. WE NEED TO BRING BACK TRADITIONS, VALUES, GOD, CODES OF ETHICS, MORALS, etc.
+Adam god only helps people whats wrong with that we are spiritual humans always have been always will and to just ignore such an important thing in our lives means your not really living cuz u think you know life... but tbh you dont know shit except trolling on youtube
All jokes aside, in one week max two majority of the country will forget about it all and push it aside. It happens all the time now, just look at the Nevada shooting.
Kristian H 100% correct how many times have we seen this scenario in the last ten years or more. The worst thing about these terrible acts is they don't shock as much. If this happened 20 years ago it would be on the news for weeks not a day or two and we don't really hear about it again like the Vegas shooting.
The dudes comment on the guy that called in with his ccw asking about the club's policy on carrying shouldn't worry anyone. Because if you plan on killing someone you will not give a shit about the comedy club's policy lmao. Gun Free Zone logic baffles me
He raises some issues with gun violence and that makes him a leftist? Just keep ignoring the mass shootings. The second amendment will usher in America's extinction event.
mcgaugh57 Bullying is the key issue at hand. Taking guns, banning guns, passing new laws will not solve this problem. Bullying is the problem. Kids form cliques in school and if you're an outsider, you will be open to being bullied. The first thing I saw when I first heard about this shooting on the news was kids talking about how strange and weird he was. Nobody had anything nice to say about him. So apparently he was an outcast, and he felt bullied. If you don't wear the right clothes or have the best cell phone then you don't fit in.
There is bad bullying all around the world. Guess what? Those kids in other countries can't buy guns in a store so there are no school shootings. Americans are interesting people lol
That's easy to say, but this kid had a bunch of things knocking him down. If other students and teachers had done right thing maybe different out come.
The problem is obviously not the guns. We’ve had guns in the United States for its entire history & shootings have only been an issue since Columbine. Most other countries allow citizens to have guns, but they’re far more controlled. I believe the issue is primarily mental health, along with the fact that guns are simply very easy to get in the US.
Yup, there needs to be a solidified way to prevent dangerous people including mentally unstable people from getting a hold of these weapons, as well as having better security in schools and everywhere else. People should always have the right to bear arms without a doubt, but there has to be control. It only took Britain one school shooting for them to figure it out, it's taken America waaaayy too many.
@@michaelflorczyk5495 One other thing I should have mentioned is that we also need more people to openly carry guns and we need to get rid of gun free zones. Most shootings occur in gun free zones where people are helpless to defend themselves. Every single school shooting we've had could have been prevented by someone else with a gun. And in every single school shooting there WAS a person with an open carry permit that COULD have had a gun, but didn't because they were in a gun free zone. Gun free zones have killed a LOT of people and it's ridiculous. People need to stop making themselves defenseless and should rather equip themselves with a firearm so that when somebody brings lethal force against them, they can shoot the motherfucker in the skull and spread their brains across the concrete rather than having the aforementioned scenario happening to them and our children.
Joe should have one citizen from every state on. For a couple minutes and talk current events only no massive stories just sit down and have a rational conversation. That'd be awesome!
Johnson Larry Im a vet and couldnt disagree more with your statement. The Constitution is law of the land. There should be 0 left or right lean in its interpretation, PERIOD! We are the great melting pot. Divided u will fail.
Gordon Greninger thank you for your service brother I agree with this Vet and add I wanted it for the sake of show casing their liberal BS with close to complete transparency as possible. Joe leans whatever way he wants.. but people would make of it what they will
It's because of how people are being raised and how people treat each other. Guns have been around for a long time. Semi auto guns have been around for a long time. Not so long ago you could buy a full auto gun with out jumping through hoops (nfa tax stamps) and they didnt cost so much. People have been raised to not know how to deal with the bad things in life. Disappointment, heart break, pain, bullies, loneliness, etc, are all parts of life. What happened to gathering yourself back up and moving forward? Banning things wont help. Teaching everybody to deal with thier struggles would be a step in the right direction i think. Social media is no help either, but that is a whole other rant.
crapatron17 it’s the internet and news. Why? Because it’s everywhere you look. We the people talk about it for months in detail so it becomes part of us. I think it’s important to mourn for the victims and show respect. But speaking on it fuels this fire. Give this kid global attention is not right. This never happened 40 years ago because we had one news channel and no internet.
Your ideology is seriously retarded. As long as you have legal guns in your country theres always going to be a selfless maniac who is willing to shoot it at innocent people. Ugh you Americans have to be the stupidest people on earth
Do you think US is the only country with violent video games, movies and pop culture? Why is it that people in Germany or Singapore don't shoot a bunch of civilians because of mental health issues?
Let me just say this: In 1955 if a kid was a bad seed, he was beaten with a belt till he couldnt walk In 2022 if a kid is a bad seed, the teachers enable him.
armed guards at school!? How is that a big deal. I graduated in 2003 and we had ATLEAST one cop on duty at all times in my high school. Sometimes up to 3. And i lived in a very safe low crime area.
asb2106 Absolutely right! As an added benefit, it would also increase the "accidental" shootings of young black males all over the country by 1000%. Talk about efficiency!😄 /s
asb2106 The fact that you think their should be armed guards at schools where kids go to learn. Think to yourself how messed up that is, you shouldn't need any of this in the first place.
Think of this....in the last 25 years what has changed a LOT in the US? What could cause all these people to have so little respect for human life? The guns haven't changed much. Hell, when I was in high school in the 80's, we all had guns in our trucks so we could hunt before and after schools and there was no shootings!!! What changed, is the people. The bullying is out of control because kids get in trouble for defending themselves. The loss of value for human life comes dramatically from all these overly violent movies and video game where these kids sit and MURDER thousands of people over and over for hours and days on end. Anyone who thinks that these games don't play a major role in this are crazy. Sit and listen to how these kids talk to each other online while playing these games. They have zero positive social skills from these games. And parents let it happen and say oh not my kid!! Guns are inanimate objects. Get the people under control. Stop these fucking games and movies. Take charge of your children and be REAL PARENTS!! You are not your kids buddy. If they say they hate you because you take away their games and phones...good. keep them longer. Put responsibility on your children. Whoop their ass when they are little so you won't have to see them in jail when they are older.
The problem is that the American government either blame guns or mental illness etc etc. But never adress the problem.. they just give their thoughts and prayers and move on
I saw that one of the shooters had depression, just one of them in the past 25 years ! I have suffered from depression before , should I be arrested or punished for that ? I think not ! I have never harmed another human being in my life ! Only 4% of all mass shooters in US history have been mentally ill. Depression is caused by a physical illness . Depressed people have low amounts of Serotonin in their central nervous system. Some peoples bodies do not manufacture enough Serotonin to keep them happy ! Fact ! Lets blame people with diabetes instead. diabetics really get weird when they run out of insulin ! Dangerous to the max sometimes ! My best friend since early childhood has diabetes and I have seen him run out several times . Very strange indeed ! So , see how stupid it is to blame diseases for what is actually society's fault ! Ban CNN !! That would help !
Johnson Larry yes, if a disease makes a person incapable of having any empathy for a fellow humans life and that person intends to do harm to others unprovoked, that person should be banned from owning guns (and other things that can/do cause bodily harm to others if used improperly/illegally) Whatever external or biological factors that make people do this is ultimatly done by that persons mental capacity and i don't see how you can argue around that nor imply the social influences on one had are the reason 96% of the time while saying on the other hand that 96% of mass shooters had a good/stable mental health.
I bet he'd wish the concealed carry guy had his sidearm with him quietly, if someone came into the comedy show who didn't politely ask if they were allowed to chop down half the crowd..
I know you say that you dislike the idea of putting armed guards in schools but with doing that you might be able to kill 2 birds with one stone, a lot of veterans that return from war are unfortunately homeless and I think that we should have homeless veterans tested for their mental stability and if they pass all qualifications they get a job defending a school. This would hopefully reduce the amount of unemployed veterans and school shootings.
Joe is asking good questions, and when it comes to "how does a guy like that exist who wants to do that?" The toxic abuse of youth and schools being prisons but used like daycare, it's all obvious to me. The other guy is right that depression is not usually the case because a person is very motivated. The isolation can make it really hard to interact with people, combined with the unresolved trauma- desire for autonomy, and the betrayal of knowing it was violated. Some people then just can't take it when they see evil in the rest of the world.
He is worried because After he sticks his dick in a man's ass He might stick the same dick in his girlfriend's pussy And that is the way to Damnation ...Its true. its in the Bible
What a stupid comment ! This is a very serious issue, likely THE most serious issue in America and all you are concerned about is a mans sexual preference ! Brandon Lee, you are an idiot !
I live in Atlanta and got my concealed carry permit as soon as I turned 21 and also carry it with me basically everywhere. Better to be in a situation where you don't need a gun and have one then be in a situation where you need a gun and don't have one. I don't agree with the people who open carry so obviously with huge holsters ect. A gun is a tool, and 99% of gun owners are not represented by these fucking madmen. Coming from someone raised in Georgia, I can promise you you aren't going to disarm us. There are far too many guns and far too many people who will not be willing to give them up.
CARBINEZzZzZ I've read someone make a post somewhere that how in the Northeast or West Coast people fear you if they find out you're a gun owner, but if you live in Georgia and people find out you don't own any firearms they mock you (or even dislike you). Is that true?
Woah. It's almost like you live in a fallout world. I can't even imagine whats it like to live in a world where one needs a firearm in order to feel secure. Sure, life can be hard. But majority of problems are solvable. There is no need to kill each other like we are doing now. Rather sad. Stay safe
Ummm no, it's not good to have a gun in a situation where you don't need one, that's why we have thousands of gun-related accidents per year, mostly involving children. Your need to have an adult security blanket makes the rest of us less safe.
Bad Old Gamer Look man, i agree with you 100% on everything you said. Most situations can be resolved with ease, very rarely would I ever find myself in a situation where I would need my weapon, HOPEFULLY. I fully trust in myself to resolve any situation peacefully, but i carry for that one person that won't listen to reason. Someone who would threaten MY life. Im not sure what kind of a man you are personally, but ill be god dammed before I let a mad man decide MY fate without me having a say. Im also not sure where you were born and raised, but I've grown up learning and seeing that some people are evil in nature and can't be reasoned with. And I prefer to be safe other than sorry. But to each his own! That's the beauty of America. Cheers
The school I went to had security, metal detectors and gangs. It’s funny how many guns, knives and other weapons were seized every day with no further incidents. The schools which have had these kinds of incidents have had no substantial security measures if any. From my personal experience, it’s not a gun problem at all, its a security issue. I don’t hear any actual interpretations represented of the 2nd amendment in anyone’s arguments, or who’s responsibility it is to protect oneself or property. Why do you think that is joe?
embiid Why not. A lot of Detroit Public Schools have metal detectors and guess what, not a single school shooting has happened in Detroit schools hmm I wonder why.
The saddest part is towards the end when the fella said he wouldn’t allow a concealed carry in the show… generally speaking, you want someone around a large group of people that has a concealed carry. That was the whole fuckn point that the guy missed
Wrong joe it’s not “only happening here” if you take all violent crime that’s happened in the USA mass shooting wouldn’t even be a fraction of on percent. Also an AR-15 is not the most effective weapon in a school shooting. A SHOTGUN would have been much more effective inside a school building. The most intelligent thing you said in this clip was “what would you fear more as a shooter? A “gun free zone” sign or a “staff is armed and trained” sign.”
Mass shootings don’t happen anywhere else in the world was his point and yea let’s arm teachers so if one has a bad day with annoying kids they can flip out and start their own killing spree.. lmfao the USA is beyond retardted
I'm Rick Harrison & this is my pawn shop fgt wow I've never seen a strawman built so quickly before. No you idiot, I've never said that. Maybe 8 at a fucking massive school with 8000 kids. So going by that the Florida school should have had 2-3. Plus a quarter of schools in the UK have at least one officer, so don't act like this is a stupid idea that doesn't help.
Thank you for being open minded, but it's not exactly fair to say that he bought the gun legally. He himself didn't commit a crime, but under the law he really shouldn't have been able to buy that gun. It was due to extreme negligence on the part of law enforcement and human services that he wasn't mentally adjudicated and therefore prohibited from buying the gun. He also should have been convicted of making terroristic threats, which would also prevent him from buying a gun. I cannot even begin to describe the gross negligence on so many levels that led to him being able to buy that gun. It's astounding.
I don't know much about Joe Rogan, I've only heard negative things about him. But I really appreciate this take. It's refreshing to hear. I've recently been affected by a mass shooting and there are no strong enough words to describe it. The shortest way is that it's like 9/11 for a community. And the trauma will be felt for years to come. It will be a forever journey for the ones in the building. This should be a major issue to everyone in this country. And if it's not, it will be once it hits home for you. But we shouldn't wait for the damage to be done to be passionate about this issue and be openminded to create actual change.
I agree with many parts of this and sorry you went through that. No one deserves it. Do you have any ideas or policy prescriptions that you believe may be effective?
The problem is we used to Value and respect people's lives in this country.. As the media and our politicians, drive us into more of a third world country we will adopt there low value of human life.
No the problem is that you have guns readily available for every frustrate to grab on whenever he wants. The younger generations are less and less violent, its the old blackhearted evil politicians brainwashing and spewing their NRA bought propaganda.
and the popularity of carelessness for working together and involving others, it's everyone for themselves and if you aren't great at something you're worthless and a reject.
It’s a lot harder to stop the problems outside of the school, but what the school can do is be ready. Armed security and metal detectors. Children. Are the most valuable thing on earth so what if it seems extreme , just think about all the shootings it will and would have prevented!!!! Children would be alive right now.
ok.. lets ban them all then.. no citizens, cops or soldiers should have em.. then lets close all the factories that make the guns and put the companies and workers outta business.. and when the whole shithole goes up we can all be vegans
Yes all the cops in England are vegans, none of them have guns (except a few special cops that get called upon rarely or those special ones who guard specific terrorist targets like the parliament and the prime minister). It works great. In the UK there is 0 kids shot by guns every year (4000 kids shot in the USA every year), there are 0 cops shot by guns in the UK every year, 400 cops shot in the USA every year. 0 suspects shot by cops in the UK every year, 2500 suspects shot by cops in the USA every year. Works perfectly. Ban the guns and all the problems are gone.
Starscream91 hey, these kids also used completely illegal weaponry including uzis and handguns they couldn't legally own. You have some brilliance to bestow upon us?
i live in New Zealand we have licencing for firearms here, to get a licence you need to know how to safely store a fire arm have no violent criminal record and no mental health issues. after that there is next to no restrictions on firearms, we have a massive hunting culture and we have next to no crimes involving guns year apon year, it seems to me that basic restrictions do prevent those who would misuse guns from having them.
What is considered mental health issues? Depression or anxiety or homicidal ideation or suicidal ideation? Does this mean one who shows a potential for violence towards others ? Would this cause I person who suffers from depression to avoid getting on medication for fear of losing their firearms license? I’m not judging or assuming just asking how the country navigates through . I have no knowledge on this subject
My high school (teenagers) in the 1980's had it's own armoury with hundreds of guns. It was always kept locked. Only opened when our instructor, a teacher, had to open it for our classes shooting lessons. There were never any problems with that. Nor can I say that any issue ever arose in the media.
This shit has just become desensitized and nobody is going to care when this shit happens all anyone is going to talk about is politics, and nothing is going to change
The whole thing was allowed to happen to advance gun control. Collectivists don't have a problem with killing a few kids if it advances the gun control agenda. It was politicized when the FBI ignored the threats.
Ste ik lol the FBI was well-informed about this crazy man and did nothing. And there were 2 shooter drills at the school that day before the shooting......hmmmmmmm agenda much?
Gun deaths per year excluding suicides were 15,000 in 2015 while there was 33,000 car accident deaths in 2010 and 63,000 drug overdose deaths in 2016 so the problem obviously isnt the amount of people dying by guns its the fear of ease that it takes to effortlessly end so many lives in minutes aka its a psychological issue not a statistical issue because if it was it would be at the bottom of the list of ways to stop the most unnecessary deaths. But i do want to say the fact that media gives the killers so much notoriety and attention and displays the name, face and life story all over the world for weeks on end and the death toll for others who will try to beat a record since the goal for these people is to ultimately kill as many as possible because the more you kill the more attention you get and in my mind the only way to stop this is to stop putting out the info of the killer and instead focus on the victims
Og maco Sheesh ...yes but you can ban guns possibly saving those 15,000 lives so why wouldn’t you try? For or against guns surely something must be done - be it mental health improvements or gun control or both. You have to do something rather than nothing surely?
Stats can lie at times. It makes sense car accidents would happen more often, there are millions upon millions of people who use them daily to go to and from work, alot of the times on highways with 100 of thousands other drivers heading towards cities. Alsk there are environmental reasons to cause more accidents at certain times of the year. Drugs overdoses is also in its own category because drugs are illegal. No one is allowed to own them but they do anyways. So I dont think comparing any of those numbers are that relevant to solving mass shootings. Also I’m aware that alot of gun deaths are accidental, usually because people don’t treat them with the respect they deserve which is to not be easily accessible to children cause they aren’t locked away or because they have no safety features activated.
sceett banning guns won't stop it I'm from UK I can go get a hand gun right now off the street for 500 if u want an Uzi thou be 1000 guess what guns are illegal here what's your point
suzuki turbo well done mate, you might be able to get a gun in the UK because you know ‘Manz’ but I bet you the vast majority do not have a clue how to acquire one. Plus you know the armed police would come down on you like a tonne of bricks if they suspected you had one in your possession. With reference to the point I was making, if you cared to read it properly. Was that surely something was must be done to at least try and solve the issue of massacres in the US, whether it’s more gun control or more of a focus on mental health. Surely you would agree that something - whatever it is - must be done? Or would you rather do nothing and just leave it to happen again and again?
This is a terrible argument. Guns have one purpose. To kill other people. Whether it's for protection or has ill intent. Guns were invented to harm others. Whether it's hunting animals or hunting people. Cars were invented for the sole purpose of traveling, and an unintended side effect of driving a car is you might harm someone else. And Likewise with drugs. No body takes drugs with the intent of overdosing, unless they are committing suicide. This is called a false equivalence, and a red herring fallacy. An argument where you redirect the question at hand and falsely compare it to a completely different subject in order to distract the argument to something else. Orcas kill 1000 people a year we need to do something about those orcas. Ye will did you hear about plane crashes. Those kill a lot of people too. These are completely different issues, that require entirely different solutions.
@Garrett Are you going to spew more of that right-wing revisionism bullshit? lol The Nazis actually loosened gun control laws for German citizens. They only banned Jews from owning guns. And if you think a small minority of armed Jewish people were going to overthrow the Nazis, then you're batshit insane. Also, what exactly is it you think happened in Mao'ist China? lol I'm curious...
Even with our guns we wouldn't win against the government. They'd be way more tactical and organized. And also would have tanks, drones, and an air force. The 2nd amendment also states for a well regulated militia. Not poorly regulated gun ownership by the masses.
Tyler The Jokester debunked and disproven. the second amendment was instated so we could defend our country against our enemies, not so we could defend ourselves against our country.
@@fabsumo0392 yes but of course. All that I am saying is that 223./5.56 have more penetration, stopping power and velocity than 9mm, making it more deadly. The ar-15 platform has much more room for customization. Ar-15s are also better at range because of the options for scopes.
I’m totally for the 2nd amendment and don’t think we should get ride of any guns or stop people from carrying guns but we need to figure something out about this issue because the guns are not the problem it’s the people.
W.T.C.K.W I disagree. I think it is both the guns AND the people. If the people can’t be trusted to own them then they shouldn’t own them.. period. But they are allowed to buy them anyway.
Bjorn Ironsides maybe you guys should have military checkpoints every 100 Meters! That way you can just keep giving lunatics weapons, sounds like a fine solution.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. NO. People with guns kill people. People with assault rifles kill a lot of people. Come on stop deflecting. Time to get rid of all of these assault rifles.
James Breen: Love it when americans tell us what is supposed to be happening in my country right now... Germany is a heaven of peace compared to to american standarts. Sounds like you've been watching too many crusade movies...
James Breen: To speak actual numbers: Even if germanys homicide rate would increase 5 times this would STILL be a safer place to live than the USA. Dont tell me germany is a criminal hellhole, when you have off-the-german-scale problems in your country.
aufgeklärt “Mass Sexual Assaults in Germany and the Liberal Dilemma” m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8959952 What a shithole of a country. Merkel ruined it. Awful.
I heard a statistic the other day. That in 1969 , there were 500,000 people committed to mental institutions, and today that number is under 25,000 nation wide. This could explain some of these horrible shootings. Modern semi-auto firearms are the most common, and responsibly used guns in history, Like beer. Compared to beer, the most common responsibly consumed alcoholic beverage by millions, accounts for over 30,000 deaths per year. Semi-auto rifles are less than 500. Violent gun crime has been falling since the 90's despite the growing number of legally owned firearms. ( US crime statistic)
There were a *LOT* of warning signs. A few examples: - He was banned from having a backpack at school before he was expelled because he repeatedly made threats and the school didn't want to take the chance that he'd bring a piece to school in his backpack. - His neighbor reported that he had, at least once, shot at the chickens he had in his yard. One of the three major predictors of violent behavior is animal cruelty in youth (the other two are pyromania and wetting the bed until a very late age). - There was an incident where he apparently 'bit a child'. The article I read did not mention if this led to an arrest, or being sectioned in a mental ward. - He literally commented "I want to be a professional mass shooter" on a UA-cam video, which led to him being interviewed by the FBI. - He also allegedly had connections to a white supremacist group and, according to the article, went through 'paramilitary training' with them. - He was kicked out of that school for undisclosed disciplinary reasons, and other students even joked that someday he'd be a school shooter because he was so fucked up. Personally, I think this is just a drastic breakdown of the system. Florida doesn't have strict gun laws at all from what I remember when I've gone down there, so I really wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that their shitty background check system missed all that shit or the person who sold it to him was either A: Incompetent and didn't actually read the background check or B: Paid a bit under the table by the shooter to 'accidentally' forget to read the details of the background check.
its so easy for people to say that the government knows and controls everything, it makes reality less scary but the thing is youre just being stupid when you say shit like this, youre reducing reality into something you can accept more easily especially since this explanation says its not your responsability to do anything
If the government had gone after him, you would have stood up for him and said he had a right to free speech online, a right to own guns, and it was another example of government being too “big”. And now that they didn’t you think they let it happen as some conspiracy? Give me a break.
People tend to compare the United States compared to other countries without taking population sizes into account. The population of the United States is about 5 times larger than the UK... 4 times larger than Germany... The United States is about 15.5 times larger than all of Sweden, Norway, and Finland combined. Maybe more of these events happen here, but let's not forget how much larger and culturally diverse our country is compared to most.
America is a strange one, you can buy a gun, drive a car, join the military and go to war all at 18 years old but you can't buy a beer till 21 haha. Strange place.
Phil OConnor so called greatest country in the world....
Phil OConnor As an American that's what I agree with you on. It is really weird.
Guns, cars and joining the military don’t impair your judgement stupid
"Guns, cars and *joining the military don’t impair your judgement stupid* "
Hahahahahaha
Good one
we is the most educated.
You know what the saddest thing is? I’m looking at the title “Florida Shooting” , and I’m here thinking “wait, which one??”
That's really true. I was wondering if it was Parkland or Orlando
@@shakotanstyle7409 that's sad that we have to actually ask "which one"
my exact thought lol
I’m thinking the exact same thing...
i forgot about it :/
Joe “theres something that happens whenever something takes place” rogan
Ar-15 get used WAY less than handguns. They just get more coverage.
I think a lot of people are more scared of the guns that can fire more bullets before you have to reload so that’s why they always talk about banning the semi autos
Doesn't take a genius to see which one is a bigger threat
@JAMES LEVELL what glock shoots 223?
@@mitchlamping530 ...you can fire 30 to 100 rounds from a handgun without reloading if you simply buy larger magazines. and nearly every gun is semiautomatic, including almost all handguns. besides pump shotguns bolt-action rifles and a few other small minority of guns.
Which one is a bigger threat for mass shootings?
Maybe our police force should be protecting public areas instead of going after non violent drug offenders and speed traps
Best and most rational comment all day ;) Kudos
Jeff Allison this just made everything make sense thank you so much
This makes sense until you realize that way more people die every year from speeding and DUI traffic accidents then from shootings
Jeff Allison yeah but those crimes are the low hanging fruit. You can't actually expect the police force to serve and protect, they have arrest quotas to fill.
Jeff Allison yes
Probably the most depressing part is that nothing will change. People will talk about it for a week and then they'll move on.
I don't think it's an easy issue to solve. And we're so divided. AND we want to look to Congress to solve our problems, but is there a way to work on this without needing them?
I think the main issue is that people are divided on what the issue actually is, and until people agree what the issue is no steps can be taken to resolve it. Half are arguing that the issue is guns and the other half are arguing that its not guns, that it's issues such as mental health for example. So America is stuck in a stalemale, with both sides refusing to budge, and meanwhile everyday regular people are having their children shot in the head.
Its redundant to say we're divided, we're always divided, it just changes when half the populace stop giving a shit, doesn't mean they now 100% agree. Only 13% of Americans wanted to revolt against Great Britain
Spore6001 personally, i don't see a clear solution. 1) take away guns? or come up with some buyback program like Australia did? i don't think that's going to work in the US, and I think it's very likely you'll have people keeping what they already have illegally. 2) figure out how to reach people with mental health issues? this seems more plausible, but again, it's really complicated. how will we be able to identify every potential threat? it seems like in this case more might have been done to stop this kid. I just don't know what a rollout of a real program would look like, but it seems like a good avenue. 3) make it harder to get a gun? this might be helpful. 4) arm and train teachers and faculty? maybe. maybe if there were a handful of highly trained individuals at every school, these things wouldn't happen. i just wonder if that's possible. maybe the mere risk of their being highly trained individuals in public places would be enough of a deterrant.
To give my personal opinion, I favour solution 3. I understand that getting rid of guns outright would cause to much of an issue in America, it seems very engrained in the culture and founding values. Guns can be a very useful tool for home protection. However, that doesn't mean it has to be a free-for-all. Apparently the shooter obtained his gun legally. It's also frustrating when you hear about congress shutting down ANY legislation to do with regulating guns, even the smallest increase in strictness. This also becomes even more frustrating when you look into how much the NRA donates to congressmen every year.
its pretty crazy how people think of depression as a totally normal feeling.
think the majority of people see it as just being sad when its alot worse its more then just bad thoughts along with real pains that can last years its pretty horrible.
Greygod Ice it’s because people are abusing the word depression.
Music made it cool to say “im depressed” and that made people call bullshit on that
Samsonov GS bruh who cares about the exaggeration of a word, this video is about innocent lives dying and you’re worried about a definition from webster
Depression is a natural response to a shitty environment. Most mass shooters were neglected by their family, drugged up by psychologists and had no will to live because no one loved them.
Yeah, i have had a lot of down times in my life. Times where I was overweight, times where I had horrible acne on my face, times where my grades were so awful and it was ruining my relationship with my parents. But I don’t think I was ever depressed. I was just sad and lost. A lot of people confuse sadness with depression. And i guess it’s kinda just the easy way out of hard times to say your depressed.
Preach bro
a gun is a gun, you cant pinpoint which specific gun should be banned. they all are designed to kill.
What about a water gun, can water guns kill.? Or better yet nerf guns. What about those?
@@Turboman-kx7cc they are toys?
SCDO CARLOS yea but they’re still guns. Nail guns can be used as weapons too. It’s not guns who kill. It’s ppl. An axe can be used to kill. A knife can also be used to kill ppl. CARS!!! It’s not the weapon that’s the problem, it’s the user.
@@Turboman-kx7cc Water guns are designed to shoot water. The only way someone could kill you with it would be if they tried to very slowly drown you. Nerf guns are toys and the bullets are foam and plastic, the only way that could kill you would be if you choked on a bullet. Yes, tools and cars can kill if not used properly, but all forms of bladed tools are just that--tools, for cutting open boxes or cooking and so on. Cars are for transportation. But guns on the other hand are designed to kill things. Guns can't fix leaky faucets
Tim Hefty but guns can also be used to protect you or others around you. It’s not only meant for killing.
This is a culture issue not a gun issue
Actually its an education issue, teach morals in school , not how we teach deceotion over humanity.
It's a gun culture issue, the USA is the only country in the world with both a gun culture and these mass shootings.
Do the math, it's not complicated.
@@kurziieee that's wrong on so many levels.
If it was a gun culture issue, every single gun owner would have a high body count. You know why they don't? Because they're not fucking crazy. The only difference between me and the parkland kid is that he is fucking crazy and willing to shoot innocent people. Guns arent the issue.
@@superunicorn1001 Mentally ill people having access to guns is the issue. How does that NOT involve guns?
@@Lazerfaced because they're mentally ill. Who gets to decide what level of mentally ill is barred from guns?
It's not access to mental health or guns from my perspective. I have had the good fortune to travel allot and i have seen widespread access to guns in many countries. In Guatemala I hired a driver who had a sawed off shotgun stuck between the seats, I watched as a coca cola truck filled a soda machine as a guy stood next to it with a AK-47 guarding it. In Thailand my father in law has a S&W .357 right in Bangkok, getting a gun isn't very hard in Thailand and there is shooting ranges right in the city. In Russia you can own semi-automatic rifles, Shotguns, pistols are limited to rubber bullet models. Yet still in these countries they don't have mass shootings. Russia is a rural gun owning culture yet they don't shoot up schools. Why? Does anybody really believe Guatemala for instance has better access to mental health than the United States? Fuck no.
I think for people like Rogan it's hard to see what the average American is experiencing on a daily basis in his Ivory Tower. With all due respect, and i do respect Joe Rogan, I think he is a good person, but living the life of money and celebrity that he does is a night a day difference from what the rest of us experience. To put it simply, we have a terminally sick country, and sick culture. Half of the country hates the other half. We only care about material things, consumption, money and vanity. We don't care for our fellow man, for our neighbors or have a sense of the greater good for the majority over the few. Here it's "fuck you, i got mine. I earned this or god gave it to me, so if you're poor you probably deserve it." All the while we know America is falling apart, again half of the country blames the other half. I'm not here to tell you which half is right.
This reality isn't lost on our youth, on the kids who bully each other over vanity and wealth, of kids who come home each day to overworked depressed, angry or suicidal parents. Our country and culture is dying. *This is MUCH bigger than just guns or access to mental health. It is like standing besides your home engulfed in flames and saying is the problem lack of fire extinguishers or too many fire hazards. Call 911 motherfucker, you need to put the fire out first.*
Zevin X very well said
Agreed. Very well written point
How bout we fix all the fucked up shit in our country and maybe that will help. You know like get everyone out of poverty, give everyone access to healthcare, give everyone free college education, make the corporations and billionares pay their fair share. Doing all of this will reduce crime. You right wingers can call me a sociologist/commie I don't give a fuck. It works. Looks at places like Norway amd Sweeden. They were so peaceful and happy until we created chaos in the middle east with our imperialism that led to the European migrant crisis. Last but not least, universal background checks on gun buyers. Don't give guns to mentally ill ppl, something the GOP undid under Obama.
Zevin X No its more this fire has already happened so what we do now is figure out why this fire started and how to prevent another house from catching fire.
I agree with this view as well. It's a cultural decay and America is an empire in decline. Don't blame Duck Hunt! I grew up playing that game and have no desire to shoot anyone or anything :)
We need to raise our children to respect others and have compassion for other, no matter what their views are or religious beliefs. That should be the duty of every person and parent in this world, let alone the country. The break down in morals is a huge deal!
Soooo, what about those whose "parents" are on drugs?, Alcohol, abusive, absent, working ALL of the time, etc., etc., What if the teenager was born crack, or some other mind/mood altering drug, addicted and have little to no impulse control??? *GET RID OF THE DAM GUNS!!!!!*
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Did you not read every person, not just parent? And if you’re aware of anyone in situation like that, you can assist them where to go to get help and speak with someone.. I think just treating our fellow man with respect and dignity is a great step in the right direction since we sure seem to have an empathy and ‘it’s not my problem, I don’t care’ mentality..
Teach people proper gun use and safety as well.. defence for in a hostile situation.. taking away guns is a bandaid on the issue that’s gushing let’s just say.. and I’m Canadian saying don’t let them take your rights, but instead work on better control, and screening for buying and obtaining firearms. But again, you’d be surprised how easy it is to illegally obtain a weapon for those that want it.
Ban guns. Peroid. USA is way too large and stupid for stuff like this to be avoided. Shit country
I think a lot of it has to do with the advancement of technology and all the evil that comes with exposure to the internet.This kid had the resources to study what others had done and found information that reinforced the sick ideas in his head. I’m not saying ban the Internet. What I am saying is these shootings are really an inevitable side effect of human progression and not the result of a few missed spankings as a child.
But it would never happen if you banned guns. Lol
Mall shooting in Oregon was ended by a conceal carry. And the man never even pulled the trigger!
Just because someone suffers with some form of mental illness, like depression, doesn’t set them up to be a mass murderer. I hate that. That just perpetuates the stigma. What possessed the shooter to do what he did is not depression or childhood traumas. There’s something more sinister, but it’s not fair to group that and the common case of clinical depression under the same umbrella.
IT'S THE DRUGS! THESE FUCKING ANTI-PSYCOTICS THEY HAND OUT LIKE CANDY. WHY IS THIS NOT TALKED ABOUT?
Gregory Frowendown well said
Still, bullying doesn’t set someone up to shoot up a school full of children. There’s plenty of people that have had hard lives, have been bullied, have depression or some other mental health issue, and they don’t kill people! You’d have to be very disturbed and psychopathic to do that. You cannot put what this guy did in the same category as the millions of Americans and other people around the globe that suffer from some form of mental illness.
I take anti depression meds, I own a shotgun. I'm not about to go on a shooting spree.
ivycoke The columbine kids were very bullied... depression is just one of the symptoms
There are crazy people everywhere, but only in America they have such an easy access to guns, so there's your answer why it keeps happening.
The biggest connection in all of these mass shootings is that the shooters are all on SSRI's (anti-deppressants, antipsychotics, etc..., etc...).
Or that they're all depressed and had access to guns when they shouldn't have.
no, they biggest connection is they were all being monitored by the FBI and the shootings happened anyway
Shreyas Ragit List 1 country that banned guns that didn't compensate in murder in some way.
American society is fucked in so many ways
No, the biggest connection is that they all had guns. The man with a crazy straw at Times Square killed no one.
“It seems like the AR15 should be focused on” and you immediately lose any credibility given the vast amount of information why that statement is only spoken by people who have no idea what they are talking about.
Joe you should get the demolition ranch guy on your show
Verpalorian ? That would be fucking amazing
Joe on his show would be cool too.
Deez Nuts, what's wrong with shooting a gun in "YOUR" house? Is he hurting someone? Is he destroying valuable property? You're a fucking troll GTFOH here troll.
OMG that is the best idea ever.
Deez Nuts your name is deez nuts. You don’t get to call anyone a fucking idiot.
Gun ownership in Finland is high, but gun violence is very rare.
It's because America is a mean place . society is mean . These people get bullied, rejected , outcasted by society and go crazy. American society is too judgemental that's why so many people have depression and social issues.
Lack of culture and lack of conflict resolution skills.
obatron-one i wouldn’t say school shooters and such are a matter of conflict though
I think gun culture is a culture. So no.
Wow, nice sentence. It's easy to assume that isn't it?
It's a lack of accountability and a lacking a sense of belonging to a community or group; it's personal isolationism.
Not one mention of the break down of the nuclear family. 7/9 last school shooters came from a fatherless home...and we're blaming it on duck hunt.
lee perry
By design Comrade.
Read PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION.
Blame this on the morals & values in today's society. Society has embraced violence of all forms. Best example of this is our tv shows, the movies, the music, our video games and even the cartoons we plop our kid's in front of. Violence is everywhere in society, in certain respects we thrive on it. People laughed at Vice President Quayle when he mentioned the failure of today's values is a direct result of the failure of the family. The guy was ahead of his time and very accurate.
Where do you get morals or values from without religion?
Same old story Morty's killing Morty's
David W okay thats funny as shit😂😂😂
Imagine if police officers weren't using a majority of their time policing CIVIL traffic offenses, and were actually patrolling the neighborhoods AND SCHOOLS. Technically, it's a conflict of interest for a peace officer to handle both criminal and civil law ( Our justice system is more concerned about collecting money from civil offenses).
Place the highway patrol in with Dept of transportation,and let them handle the civil traffic offenses. If they come across a criminal act such as DUI or warrants, the police officer is just a radio call away patrolling our neighborhoods, like they should be!
Sam Ride Thats retarded. What happens when they run into armed suspects? Routine traffic stops are an integral part of crime prevention. The problem cannot be solved with more or different policing.
Sam Ride taxes would get higher too. Also cops don't interact with the shooter. They wait for special forces
Imagine if America had proper gun control...
A society that needs armed men patrolling schools is an utterly dysfunctional society.
I don't disagree, but that's an easy 7 word statement to make. What's the next 7 words, the next paragraph on how you handle it? What happens after you institute gun control and there are 300 million guns out there? Should we care about all those people we'll put out of a job or that will lose a business - do we support them or forget them because they're pigs that sell guns? Is it all guns that get banned, or some guns? If it's some guns, like things for hunting, who makes that decision? Are there carry/conceal permits? How do you enforce control if you allow hunters to have guns? Do you change the guns cops can carry, do those go away? etc etc - if you truly believe in "proper" gun control, you should try to be a bit more descriptive in your comments instead of shotgunning a sound bite.
The root is how kids are raised, humility, love and respect in the household. Pay attention to your children, have those tough conversations from time to time. These may not work 100% but it will definitely prevent some horrible situations.
I think the root is psychopathy which you’re born with.
I love that Joe isn't using thus tragedy to push his agenda, he just has a honest conversation about it
Joe Griffin very true
Joe Griffin just wish everyone else would do the same
Joe Griffin I can in between the lines and joe is for making semi automatics illegal now . Joe doesn’t want to loose followers
if you call that honest, what do call lies...
you
Believe me when you are the one infront of a lunatics gun YOU WILL PRAY THAT CHARLES BRONSON APPEAR TO SAVE YOU!!!
Can I ask why everybody blames the firearm and not the person?
no matter which side of the argument you're on
if you're blaming the gun you're wrong
the problem is ease of access
Alright but if that's the case; then why is it that the states with the most restrictive gun control laws have the highest firearm related deaths?
RIght, its what gun regulation is for, so that people dont have acces to them just because they wanna acces them... so its not EASY to get a hold of one.
probably for the same reason that spraying your room with perfume when your whole house is knee deep in shit does very little overall
Social media in extreme access has killed the family dynamics!!!!
James Dunn Looool
Since 1994 gun ownership in the US is up 64%. The gun homicide rate is down 49%. Guns saves lives. (Sources; National institute of justice; pew research)
Axe ODA8 on the whole in general (street crime and gang warfare is down) but school shootings are on the increase. gang crime and school shootings aren't exactly the same thing. both have guns as the common denominator though.
Ben Quinlan The facts speak for themselves. scared liberals want to use peoples emotions to bastardize the constitution so that they can sell our country to the 3rd world like they have in Europe, while we watch like a bunch of helpless neutered wimps. politicians would fill their pockets and grab more and more power. This is why we have the 2A
Remember that schools are "gun free zones" by law. The key factor there is the expectation of unarmed victims. That is, there is an expectation of less resistance and more capacity for massacre, media attention, etc.
Axe ODA8
What part of what I said is false? I made a few statements, so you'll have to be more specific.
You honestly believe that the US, with a population of over 300 million people, over 70% are christian and only about 1% are muslim. In 20 years you claim they will be a majority? hahahahahaahhha
You are a moron.
Marbles McGee when you said "americans are fucked in the head" you made it sound like you weren't american. I know we are just fine here in the usa. You are also trying to make it seem like there are several mysterious factors behind the high murder rate in our most violent citys when all of our most violent citys have the same commonalitys, strict gun laws and long established liberal government. That sir is why you are an asswipe and a moron
The problem with today's youth is that we are all becoming disconnected with reality. The constant connection with social media, our phones, video games ect. have deteriorated actual human connections; leading to a sense of disconnection with others. We need to spend time with our kids and teach them that love is all that matters and the importance of individuals and that life is precious. All we truly have is each other. Love one another and accept that we are all different and embrace it.
There were 10,000 game titles added to Steam in 2016. Half of them the theme was "men killing men". In addition young people no longer have "best friends", because their entire social world exists online. They also don't have real-life experiences like prior generations - so easy to pump up your cred by "bashing a nazi" on FB and getting those likes. Who needs human interaction? They are just goo, just a clump of cells.
Joe, I'm from Texas, and every response I got said that they have an armed guard, or in my high school case, an armed police officer on campus. Everyone in my high school loved our officer and got along with him! I feel that we need to have more trained officers, but also counselors to recognize these behaviors in kids. Trust me, if done correctly, the officer can not only be an officer, but also a person to talk to for these kids, as the officer in my school was.
Best solution, but the democrats wants war now.
They had two resource officers (cops) in the school at the time of the shooting
I've had officers in my schools for years now.
But was that equal to the risk? Having served in the military, I would call this an attack. In fact, I would classify it as a fighting patrol culminating in an ambush. It would have been difficult to stop without prior intelligence.
hyperrat12 Retired Police Officers with a strong History of positive interaction with the public would make good candidates for these positions, most Police retire after 25 years of service so they are relatively young at retirement age. Possibly retired Military people. Psych evaluation’s should be a standard part of the evaluations.
I had a guy pull a knife on my fiance and myself on the sidewalk. Showed him my glock and diffused the situation very quickly.
What if he had also had a gun?
brianwhover Then I guess we would have had to rock paper scissors shoot for first draw. Who knows what anyone is carrying at any time. One of us may have ended up shot depending on the situation and many variables. In my situation, the presence of my holstered weapon gave him enough pause to rethink his actions. Plus we were able to jump in a cab quickly and get out of danger.
How about the dash cam footage where people with road rage pulls out a weapon which of course gets diffused? Like for example a biker pulls out a bat, machete, or a pipe and the guy with the dash cam steps out with his gun drawn. Aggressor drops the weapon, drops to the ground, gun holder moves the weapon out of reach and it's taken care of.
I'll take "shit that didn't happen" for 300 please, Alex.
What you fail to see, no one is against self defense. Everyone is on your side in that scenario. it is about military grade material on streets. You cant live life one extreme or the other (no guns!! or all guns!!!) ya know? idk im not american, I carry a hand gun for protection because I was screened and cleared but if I wanted an assault weapon id enlist and serve my country where it matters. You can kill a few people in a crowed with a knife, its about prevention. Better a few injured by knife than dozens by a gun.
"I have a buddy that conceal carries everywhere"
"I hope I never accidentally make fun of him"
This is part of the problem. Some people think a law abiding citizen like Joe's friend is just going to snap and pull his gun out on someone for making fun of them.
Gene Thompson this is not part of the problem. This is two comedians doing a podcast, knucklehead.
Then comes the other problems, lack of respect and manners towards others.
+Andrew Ashhole I didn't pick up on any comedic tones, inflections, or sentiments. The conversation was, and remained, serious in nature. Even then, it would be a disingenuous joke.
SpecTRe X Listen to how Tony says it. He's clearly joking and anyone that can't see that is just a lost cause. Do you know what tone is? Do you make jokes? Do you speak to people?
This is why liberals should not have access to guns. They know that they, themselves, are unstable; and have little self control. They project these character flaws onto everyone else; assuming that we are as defective are they. This is why logical, self controlled conservatives do not understand their (liberals) irrational fears. We also, frequently, assume that others are, or can be, as rational and self controlled, (and therefore not a danger to ourselves or others), as are we. However, conservatives recognize that there are those who cannot control themselves or act in a rational manner; and we therefore, choose to defend ourselves as necessary.
Have you ever noticed that since the government and the Department of Children and Families has made parents afraid to discipline their kids, that these shootings have happened more often. Kids are raising themselves these days, because both parents have to work so much to pay everyday bills. The parents arent able to guide their children in the right path anymore. If your kid does something bad and gets spanked, you can get arrested and your kids taken away. So whos to blame here? Kids run wild and are raised and taught by video games and TV nowadays.
Mark Smith we'll said bro...
Mark Smith I totally agree the whole "It takes a village to raise a child" era is died. Children today are spending more time then ever being brain washed & desensitized to respect & Humanity. From violent video games & other forms of entertainment. More perversion, confusion, drugs, alcohol, promiscuous, rape, lack of respect, racism & every ism's out there. What was considered absurd when I was growing up is the new Norm. With every decade that goes by, it's getting dangerous guns aren't the only problem. It's the officials that were meant to represent & help us better protect what we love most. But chooses to fatten their bank accounts instead. Because at the end of the day, our fears, concerns & problems that we face in this crazy place will never be there issues or reality for them. Especially when there too busy looking out for themselves and each other to give a damn & that's what's upsetting.
PATU LOCA I enjoy video games where you cooperate with other players online. It may be violent, but it's not real and it's fun.
I'm in the UK and first thing you hear here is "Ban the guns like we did!" Big difference is we didn't have many guns in circulation so banning was easy. There's just too many guns in the USA to do that would be extremely dangerous it would be open season for criminals. At the same time if you arm teacher's what happens when one of them snaps and goes on a rampage? As I said I'm in the UK so its not on me to start shouting the odds but it seems no one needs a AR15 for protection' and as for defending from a tyrannical government that's just horse shit. If the army rolls down your street with tanks and air support it doesn't really matter how many bullets your AR15 has does it
I'm from the UK and you are correct that there are too many guns and gun nuts in the US or either won't give up their guns or getting rid of these guns will be very hard. However proper gun control will definitely help.
scott matthews my dude 🤙
The problem with the "There are already too many guns out there" argument is that the alternative is "Do nothing". Australia had a whole lot of guns out among citizens, and they were able to do a pretty thorough buyback. It'd take a LOT more to get it going here in the US, but a process needs to at least begin. It'll take a long time, but SOMETHING has to be done.
I guess you’ve never heard of guerilla warfare.
JackgarPrime it takes the police min 15 to 20 mins to get to my house on a call..aint no one buying anything of mine back.....why wasnt the school locked down..just like the schools around me .you have to be buzzed in..and its legal for adults to conceal carry in the school and on school grounds where i live in michigan....there isnt or hasnt been some fucking moron shoot up any school around me..n if there ever was. It wouldn't be the cops you had to worry about. It would be the old farmers and vets coming for ur ass ....do i think people should have to do a licensing...it wouldn't be a bad idea....but we shouldn't glorify these crazy asses al over t.v either....it gives these outcast a way to be glorified and worshipped..i would bet everything i have on thats why these kids do it. To be famous and respected and feared..
I went to a high school that was considered pretty rough by many standards. It was also one of the biggest schools in the city. They had armed guards at the school (they were part of the city PD). We never had any school shootings that I know of. We did have bomb threat once though.
Sounds like Brockton high School that's where I went
The armed guard failed big time that day in what he was trusted to do. Collecting a pay check to do a job and couldn't do it.
The question is "Is there a way to stop this?" The problem is that nobody wants to try and answer.
The answer is probably 'no'. That's why nobody wants to talk about it.
NefariousPorpoise You can't prevent it 100% but you should try something. Australia tried. And now they've gone 20 years without one.
This is crazy! I’m from the uk and knives are the problem here! But you guys and your guns! And none of you think that’s the problem? Please, come on folks! We all know if the guns were outlawed crime would have a massive fall over there.
sunny one Well let’s ban the guns and see.
sunny one if that’s the case buddy. Then why don’t we have that same problem. Don’t get me wrong I love the idea of being able to carry firearms! But because none of us do obviously we don’t have these mass shootings. Clearly something needs to be done. But all you folk seem to be pro firearms so I can’t see anything changing for you and I’m sure not to far away we will be hearing of more mass shootings!
Buying a gun in America illegally or legally, is like buying a coke, outlawing won't stop anything.
sunny one dude I’m not saying he ain’t a loony bin! But if he didn’t have a gun and say for instance he just had a knife!? Do you think he would do as much damage as having an automatic rifle?
Blake not at first of course! But over time it would lower these problems surely?
It is so sad how many people think every shooting is a hoax. It is so disrespectful to the families and victims it just makes me sick. You people need a dose of reality and need to realize that terrible things can happen.
joe BONES So you know more than all the parents that lost there children? You think they are all just lying? Its people like you that make america look so fucking stupid and i actually feel sorry for you.
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People aren't saying that it is a hoax if they are calling it a false flag. People can still be killed in a false flag event, but the real murderers are the ones behind the scenes who are orchestrating them for their own agenda. Most of these mentally unstable kids are groomed by the FBI or the Deep State, and are mere patsies, the lone gunman, fall guy for their orchestrated event, with the agenda of trying once again to get Americans to give up their guns.
These events have been happening in America since its inception. It is usually a certain type of corrupt group who think that doing these things are okay as long as they succeed in their ultimate goal. The Democrats who jumped on this event in the news were ready and waiting to manipulate the raw emotions of the populace to get them to give up their guns are likely the ones responsible for those deaths.
TRUTH!!
The real problem is our system(political,economical,societal,governmental...etc).There are 1000 times more people dying in this country from prescription drugs and opiates...In a world today,there are hundreds of thousands of kids that are still dying from hunger or inedaquate medical care...In a past 20 years,there are more than million of deaths thanks to American and Western world and Nato military actions(more than 100 000 Kids in Iraq lost their lives)that were supposed to spread "democracy" and end dictatorships all over the world...and this is only tip of the iceberg...More people die from the seasonal flu then from mass shootings or terroristic attacks...But guess what? No one wants to talk about these problems in mainstream media...I am all for weapons free world but you gotta ban weapons to everyone,including military,police and government...System is rigged and this is becoming ridicuolusly obvious...
strahi popovic so by being all for a gun free world, you're essentially all for a devil worshiping One World Order ! Look up Iron Mountain [ ? ] For Tyranny. It will bring HELL on Earth.
you are missing a point...and that's not what I said
strahi popovic part of the problem too is escalation. When the public has access to more high powered weapons than the police. The police seek out higher powered weapons, and act in a far more paranoid way such as shooting someone reaching for their wallet in a traffic stop. When fewer people have weapons the need for weapons to defend yourself is lessened.
'Full metal garb' - Teacher describes masked gunman at Florida school shooting
trying to understand that also.
And the fiberglass cast on right arm in video supposedly on day of shooting. Absent on video post/during event.
Civilians stopping violence with a firearm in the US are far more common than people release.
I have a CCW permit myself and have for a long time while I was at the laundromat around 5 years ago I drew on a man who picked up a young girl who she obviously didn't know he dropped her and ran away the girls mom called the police and he was later arrested. That was the only time I have ever drawn a weapon and if I wasn't armed yes I still would have done something but it may not have been as quick or effective.
BTW I don't know anyone who has a CCW who would even consider using a pistol on someone that pissed them off.
The dude was just as likely to run away if you confronted him without a gun.
Wanizame What if the dude had a gun too? Or a knife? Or he was bigger?
There's always gonna be scumbags, and as long as there's guns, (no getting rid of them now) we may as well arm as many reasonable potential heroes as we can to stop the psychos.
Literally every person I have ever met with a CCW does nothing but talk about their CCW.
In the described situation of child abduction (where the selected victim is weak and defenseless) it is extremely rare for the culprit to be violent when confronted, look it up, they will often retreat shamefully. Everyone starts carrying weapons and you inevitably have the loons who pull a handgun on the first person to look at them funny. That said i commend the OP for intervening at all in this situation.
The "there is no getting rid of them" attitude is part of the problem.
There are scumbags in the UK too and, yes, you are 1.5 times more likely to be burgled in the UK than the US BUT you are 4 times more likely to be murdered in the US and 35 times more likely to be murdered with a gun. Even aggravated assault is 6.9 times higher in the US - which would suggest fear of "have a go heroes" is relatively low despite being a supposed detterent . All this bearing in mind the UK has a much higher population density (people per square mile). I understand that guns is a part of America culture and its not easy to change but there is no reason a civilian in the western world needs to own a semi-automatic weapon.
There were armed guards at this school and they still did not prevent the murder of 17 students. They should have been "heroes" by your logic - they weren't.
death and evil is a part of the human condition and will never go away no matter how much people wish it would. Either you prepare for the worst or the worst finds you unprepared.
professorbland I don’t really mind death as long as it’s not painful. endings are only new beginnings
"Either you prepare for the worst or the worst finds you unprepared."
Which is why I'm sure you never leave the house without a kevlar vest, a bike helmet and 3 days worth of supplies. Right? Which is also why your house is part house part nuclear fallout shelter?
Wouldn't want to be found unprepared, hm?
and still none in the civilized world has such a big problem with guns, shootings and crimes like you muricans. open your eyes seriously.
The function of society is to mitigate the odds for "the worst" to find you, it is also part of our duties toward one another as fellow human beings.
Yes, people will still have the opportunity to kill each other, because such is the cost of a free society. THis does not mean that it's useless to make unlawful killings (murder) illegal. THe fact that death and suffering is a constant of existence does not exclude the importance of law in these cases.
in fact i never have to leave my house. i live in a kevlar suit that filters all my air, and produces water from atmospheric vapor. I identify as a land-based A10 Warthog. My suit is powered by nuclear cold fusion. I require nothing from the environment, so yes, I am always prepared for people who take arguments ad absurdum and pretend like they have a point.
I love the fact that you see both sides of the issue and talk about it so freely, and you're chief concern is finding a solution. That is something that is difficult to find in the middle of an issue that is so emotionally charged. The solution to this issue is not going to be a simple one. A complicated problem is going to require a complicated solution. It will talk serious open non-emotional dialogue to figure it out. Totally agree with you on that.
Asking someone why they want firearms is like asking someone why they study martial arts, or get into an Octagon and beat the crap out of each other. You'll hear all the same reasons for it. Interesting couple of facts for you. 30% of Americans own 100% of the firearms in this country. That's 95.6 million people who own all of the 257 million firearms. The U.S. Military (counting the national guard, reserves, and coast guard) only numbers 2.2 million. The Japanese, after the war was over, the leaders stated the reason they wouldn't invade U.S. soil was because of all the firearms owners in the country. They aren't the only ones who have said it. Firearms ownership is a deterrent to such things. It's also a deterrent for our government committing democide, or over stepping its constraints regarding the U.S. Citizens.
I believe you're on the right track though with looking closer at the psychological aspects of the issue. People don't value human life as much as they use too. I've also noticed that people really don't consider issues to be issues until they are major issues. It's as if the concept of, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." As an example, people that end up in an affair often look at their situation and wonder how did I get here. You often hear it explained as, "we were talking one day and the next thing I knew we were sleeping together." Well, you start talking, at some point emotions develop, a kiss comes into play, and that eventually leads to other things until finally they are in the middle of a full blown affair. If they put some distance into the equation the moment you realize you have feelings for someone while you are in a committed relationship already, it wouldn't get to the affair stage and you wouldn't find yourself in the middle of break up or divorce as a result. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
If there are signs, and people are reporting the signs, then authorities need to investigate, and then act on it rather than blowing it off as a teen acting out, or there's no law violated yet and do nothing. If the signs are there, investigate and do something. Now in Florida as a result of the Parkland atrocity, Police can now baker act a person, petition the courts and remove the weapons from the person's possession. They would then need to petition the courts to have their weapons returned to them, after 60 days. Psychological evaluation results from that period would be considered heavily in the decision.
Complicated issue, complicated solution, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
When I was a teen in the 80's, I carried my .22 long rifle to school on the bus and walked down the hallway to the wood working shop to finish the stock and fit it to a new gun rack that I had built. The .22 rifle was giving to me by my grandfather who brought the rifle with him from out of state... on an airplane. This problem is DIRECTLY related to a societal change. Guns have been around forever, but we didn't have school shooting problems until Columbine.
Yeah but now they argue theirs always been mass shootings, and theirs always been a lot. Still when you look into them you can clearly see very different and identifiable motives. The modern mass shootings seem to have no motives at all no personal relation, just spray n prey in a populated area where guns are forbidden. Kill count is only motive.
Past mass shootings typically are more likely to be gang related or domestic issues, and the shooter knows and has personal relations with victim/victims and it becomes a mass shooting because witnesses get killed etc.
Being on social media has it effects. we see a lot of crazy things on a daily basis. It's crazy how humans down play our ability to hurt others. when we are savages animals to begin with.
Tj Holeman +#leipzigconnection
Social media 100% is having an influence on teens (especially high school age). Social media is definitely to blame in the rise of mental illness. It’s a plague on us that’s just making our society more and more sick. That’s why I have no accounts except UA-cam.
Kaylee Lovell besides the lazy poor people skills and attitudes passed on every other generation, theres always a second party picking up traits after strangers as well
So true bro but it's only a problem compared to statistics Japan murder/shootings death toll:25-30 America:3000 yearly this country was built on violence hence the 2nd amendment
This is why an education is necessary so we can become civilized humans with good intentions. HOWEVER, it is tragic that one must experience this upon trying to achieve that.
The school I went to has two cops that patrol the school. One stays in the office where he watches the security cameras the other drives around the school at the beginning and end of school.
This not a solution; rather, a non-ban alternative that adds to this comment. Place a metal detector at every school and that/those are only way to get inside! It is time! Courts do it, other gov buildings do it. If we are to be a gun-world U.S. of A., then we must admit to some realities. There will be accidents, there will be gun-deaths, there will be those who will try to use a gun to slaughter. If we want to reduce all this, there will be a cost. What is saving lives worth to a gun-owning We the People?
Needy4Speed
We should hire veterans to do security at all of our schools. They are well trained and have the desire to defend our people.
I did but did you know
I totally agree. We must make soft targets less attractive to psychopaths.
Sweet jesus I agree there are a lot of veterans that don't have jobs and they would love to have this job.
That knife stabbing was in St. Cloud Minnesota. I live few blocks away from the incident
You nailed the answer Joe -- "We're in a time where people value other people so poorly" --THAT'S THE ANSWER. WE NEED TO BRING BACK TRADITIONS, VALUES, GOD, CODES OF ETHICS, MORALS, etc.
Well, there goes any chance for a civilized conversation.
+Adam god only helps people whats wrong with that we are spiritual humans always have been always will and to just ignore such an important thing in our lives means your not really living cuz u think you know life... but tbh you dont know shit except trolling on youtube
Does anyone remember that gun safety used to be taught in school
All jokes aside, in one week max two majority of the country will forget about it all and push it aside. It happens all the time now, just look at the Nevada shooting.
Kristian H 100% correct how many times have we seen this scenario in the last ten years or more. The worst thing about these terrible acts is they don't shock as much. If this happened 20 years ago it would be on the news for weeks not a day or two and we don't really hear about it again like the Vegas shooting.
I also agree with your logic about figuring shizzles out. Taking guns away will not stop everything.
Just_Darrell. Taking away guns to stop gun violence is like banning water to stop drownings
@@jacobgarz8970 except not at all
The dudes comment on the guy that called in with his ccw asking about the club's policy on carrying shouldn't worry anyone. Because if you plan on killing someone you will not give a shit about the comedy club's policy lmao. Gun Free Zone logic baffles me
*Joe Rogan should become a Nascar racer since he loves taking so many left turns time after time* 😆
He raises some issues with gun violence and that makes him a leftist? Just keep ignoring the mass shootings. The second amendment will usher in America's extinction event.
But no talk of the bulling that actually caused this ?
mcgaugh57 Bullying is the key issue at hand. Taking guns, banning guns, passing new laws will not solve this problem. Bullying is the problem. Kids form cliques in school and if you're an outsider, you will be open to being bullied. The first thing I saw when I first heard about this shooting on the news was kids talking about how strange and weird he was. Nobody had anything nice to say about him. So apparently he was an outcast, and he felt bullied. If you don't wear the right clothes or have the best cell phone then you don't fit in.
There is bad bullying all around the world. Guess what? Those kids in other countries can't buy guns in a store so there are no school shootings. Americans are interesting people lol
Bullying shouldn’t cause you to go crazy and murder. Stand up to your bully with strength of character not gun shots.
That's easy to say, but this kid had a bunch of things knocking him down. If other students and teachers had done right thing maybe different out come.
The problem is obviously not the guns. We’ve had guns in the United States for its entire history & shootings have only been an issue since Columbine.
Most other countries allow citizens to have guns, but they’re far more controlled.
I believe the issue is primarily mental health, along with the fact that guns are simply very easy to get in the US.
Yup, there needs to be a solidified way to prevent dangerous people including mentally unstable people from getting a hold of these weapons, as well as having better security in schools and everywhere else. People should always have the right to bear arms without a doubt, but there has to be control. It only took Britain one school shooting for them to figure it out, it's taken America waaaayy too many.
@@michaelflorczyk5495 One other thing I should have mentioned is that we also need more people to openly carry guns and we need to get rid of gun free zones.
Most shootings occur in gun free zones where people are helpless to defend themselves.
Every single school shooting we've had could have been prevented by someone else with a gun.
And in every single school shooting there WAS a person with an open carry permit that COULD have had a gun, but didn't because they were in a gun free zone.
Gun free zones have killed a LOT of people and it's ridiculous. People need to stop making themselves defenseless and should rather equip themselves with a firearm so that when somebody brings lethal force against them, they can shoot the motherfucker in the skull and spread their brains across the concrete rather than having the aforementioned scenario happening to them and our children.
Joe should have one citizen from every state on. For a couple minutes and talk current events only no massive stories just sit down and have a rational conversation. That'd be awesome!
I am for that as long ass the citizen is a veteran and a conservative constitutionalist ! Liberals are suicidal and lie all the time !
Johnson Larry
Im a vet and couldnt disagree more with your statement.
The Constitution is law of the land. There should be 0 left or right lean in its interpretation, PERIOD!
We are the great melting pot. Divided u will fail.
Gordon Greninger thank you for your service brother
I agree with this Vet and add I wanted it for the sake of show casing their liberal BS with close to complete transparency as possible. Joe leans whatever way he wants.. but people would make of it what they will
Steven Wood damn the podcast is already too long, especially with dicknecks like this guest. Are they gonna be 7hrs long with ur format???
It's because of how people are being raised and how people treat each other. Guns have been around for a long time. Semi auto guns have been around for a long time. Not so long ago you could buy a full auto gun with out jumping through hoops (nfa tax stamps) and they didnt cost so much.
People have been raised to not know how to deal with the bad things in life. Disappointment, heart break, pain, bullies, loneliness, etc, are all parts of life. What happened to gathering yourself back up and moving forward?
Banning things wont help. Teaching everybody to deal with thier struggles would be a step in the right direction i think. Social media is no help either, but that is a whole other rant.
crapatron17 it’s the internet and news. Why? Because it’s everywhere you look. We the people talk about it for months in detail so it becomes part of us. I think it’s important to mourn for the victims and show respect. But speaking on it fuels this fire. Give this kid global attention is not right. This never happened 40 years ago because we had one news channel and no internet.
crapatron17 give us the social media rant seems good
Your ideology is seriously retarded. As long as you have legal guns in your country theres always going to be a selfless maniac who is willing to shoot it at innocent people. Ugh you Americans have to be the stupidest people on earth
Ha! You're on the right track. Guns have become the culture.....they always were. The "old west" isn't glorified for it's social graces.
Do you think US is the only country with violent video games, movies and pop culture? Why is it that people in Germany or Singapore don't shoot a bunch of civilians because of mental health issues?
4:46 shout out to Ugandan knuckles....
Let me just say this:
In 1955 if a kid was a bad seed, he was beaten with a belt till he couldnt walk
In 2022 if a kid is a bad seed, the teachers enable him.
armed guards at school!? How is that a big deal. I graduated in 2003 and we had ATLEAST one cop on duty at all times in my high school. Sometimes up to 3. And i lived in a very safe low crime area.
asb2106 Absolutely right! As an added benefit, it would also increase the "accidental" shootings of young black males all over the country by 1000%. Talk about efficiency!😄 /s
Colby Butler so
Colby Butler fuck, i mean whats your source for this info?
asb2106 lol by someone who should have one.. not a civilian
asb2106 The fact that you think their should be armed guards at schools where kids go to learn. Think to yourself how messed up that is, you shouldn't need any of this in the first place.
Think of this....in the last 25 years what has changed a LOT in the US? What could cause all these people to have so little respect for human life? The guns haven't changed much. Hell, when I was in high school in the 80's, we all had guns in our trucks so we could hunt before and after schools and there was no shootings!!! What changed, is the people. The bullying is out of control because kids get in trouble for defending themselves. The loss of value for human life comes dramatically from all these overly violent movies and video game where these kids sit and MURDER thousands of people over and over for hours and days on end. Anyone who thinks that these games don't play a major role in this are crazy. Sit and listen to how these kids talk to each other online while playing these games. They have zero positive social skills from these games. And parents let it happen and say oh not my kid!! Guns are inanimate objects. Get the people under control. Stop these fucking games and movies. Take charge of your children and be REAL PARENTS!! You are not your kids buddy. If they say they hate you because you take away their games and phones...good. keep them longer. Put responsibility on your children. Whoop their ass when they are little so you won't have to see them in jail when they are older.
The problem is that the American government either blame guns or mental illness etc etc. But never adress the problem.. they just give their thoughts and prayers and move on
Taylor Strange Do you not think a person mowing down children or other groups of people has mental problems?
bobkilla430 That sounds pretty damn mental to me.
I saw that one of the shooters had depression, just one of them in the past 25 years ! I have suffered from depression before , should I be arrested or punished for that ? I think not ! I have never harmed another human being in my life ! Only 4% of all mass shooters in US history have been mentally ill. Depression is caused by a physical illness . Depressed people have low amounts of Serotonin in their central nervous system. Some peoples bodies do not manufacture enough Serotonin to keep them happy ! Fact ! Lets blame people with diabetes instead. diabetics really get weird when they run out of insulin ! Dangerous to the max sometimes ! My best friend since early childhood has diabetes and I have seen him run out several times . Very strange indeed ! So , see how stupid it is to blame diseases for what is actually society's fault ! Ban CNN !! That would help !
Johnson Larry yes, if a disease makes a person incapable of having any empathy for a fellow humans life and that person intends to do harm to others unprovoked, that person should be banned from owning guns (and other things that can/do cause bodily harm to others if used improperly/illegally)
Whatever external or biological factors that make people do this is ultimatly done by that persons mental capacity and i don't see how you can argue around that nor imply the social influences on one had are the reason 96% of the time while saying on the other hand that 96% of mass shooters had a good/stable mental health.
I bet he'd wish the concealed carry guy had his sidearm with him quietly, if someone came into the comedy show who didn't politely ask if they were allowed to chop down half the crowd..
I love when foreigners give their two cents when they have no clue what they're talking about.
Victor Kuhn We know what it’s like to live in a country with gun control. It’s a lot safer...
Forgot you have to be an American to realise that your gun laws are ludicrous.
Because it doesn't matter how many facts you have as long as you weren't born on my chunk of land...
I know you say that you dislike the idea of putting armed guards in schools but with doing that you might be able to kill 2 birds with one stone, a lot of veterans that return from war are unfortunately homeless and I think that we should have homeless veterans tested for their mental stability and if they pass all qualifications they get a job defending a school. This would hopefully reduce the amount of unemployed veterans and school shootings.
I’m for armed guards. With the actual training. Not just some turkey who passed a piss test and a basic firearm training class.
Best damn idea I've seen yet!!!!
there was a trained resource officer there at the time of the attack... he stood outside the building instead of stopping anything...
Jmedi5 5 yeah I know, that’s what I meant
dan fairbanks then clearly he should be replaced
Mandatory meditation everyday, similar to mandatory 30min reading.
Joe is asking good questions, and when it comes to "how does a guy like that exist who wants to do that?" The toxic abuse of youth and schools being prisons but used like daycare, it's all obvious to me. The other guy is right that depression is not usually the case because a person is very motivated. The isolation can make it really hard to interact with people, combined with the unresolved trauma- desire for autonomy, and the betrayal of knowing it was violated. Some people then just can't take it when they see evil in the rest of the world.
When's Tony coming out of the closet?
Is this Not Gay Jared’s cousin?
Brandon Lee Tony is sooo far in the closet he's tripping over Christmas gifts
soon
He is worried because
After he sticks his dick in a man's ass
He might stick the same dick in his girlfriend's pussy
And that is the way to Damnation ...Its true. its in the Bible
What a stupid comment ! This is a very serious issue, likely THE most serious issue in America and all you are concerned about is a mans sexual preference ! Brandon Lee, you are an idiot !
I live in Atlanta and got my concealed carry permit as soon as I turned 21 and also carry it with me basically everywhere. Better to be in a situation where you don't need a gun and have one then be in a situation where you need a gun and don't have one. I don't agree with the people who open carry so obviously with huge holsters ect. A gun is a tool, and 99% of gun owners are not represented by these fucking madmen. Coming from someone raised in Georgia, I can promise you you aren't going to disarm us. There are far too many guns and far too many people who will not be willing to give them up.
agreed. I've got close family from Atlanta, visit there often, and carrying a gun is part of life. No one should be robbed of personal security.
CARBINEZzZzZ I've read someone make a post somewhere that how in the Northeast or West Coast people fear you if they find out you're a gun owner, but if you live in Georgia and people find out you don't own any firearms they mock you (or even dislike you). Is that true?
Woah. It's almost like you live in a fallout world.
I can't even imagine whats it like to live in a world where one needs a firearm in order to feel secure.
Sure, life can be hard. But majority of problems are solvable. There is no need to kill each other like we are doing now.
Rather sad. Stay safe
Ummm no, it's not good to have a gun in a situation where you don't need one, that's why we have thousands of gun-related accidents per year, mostly involving children. Your need to have an adult security blanket makes the rest of us less safe.
Bad Old Gamer
Look man, i agree with you 100% on everything you said. Most situations can be resolved with ease, very rarely would I ever find myself in a situation where I would need my weapon, HOPEFULLY. I fully trust in myself to resolve any situation peacefully, but i carry for that one person that won't listen to reason. Someone who would threaten MY life. Im not sure what kind of a man you are personally, but ill be god dammed before I let a mad man decide MY fate without me having a say. Im also not sure where you were born and raised, but I've grown up learning and seeing that some people are evil in nature and can't be reasoned with. And I prefer to be safe other than sorry.
But to each his own! That's the beauty of America. Cheers
The school I went to had security, metal detectors and gangs. It’s funny how many guns, knives and other weapons were seized every day with no further incidents. The schools which have had these kinds of incidents have had no substantial security measures if any. From my personal experience, it’s not a gun problem at all, its a security issue. I don’t hear any actual interpretations represented of the 2nd amendment in anyone’s arguments, or who’s responsibility it is to protect oneself or property. Why do you think that is joe?
Joe Shmoe it's also an FBI issue. We don't investigate people bragging about how they will become a school shooter lol
Yep, the FBI was to busy playing politics and trying to find dirt on Trump instead.
"downsized the massive government worker pensions"
Funny how public workers are demonized for having the benefits everyone should enjoy.
thats not the point why should a school need to put metal detectors inside a school to stop shootings occuring.
embiid Why not. A lot of Detroit Public Schools have metal detectors and guess what, not a single school shooting has happened in Detroit schools hmm I wonder why.
The saddest part is towards the end when the fella said he wouldn’t allow a concealed carry in the show… generally speaking, you want someone around a large group of people that has a concealed carry. That was the whole fuckn point that the guy missed
this guy would have not done anything had one cop did his job
Exactly, we need more than one police officer at every school.
... or less guns.
I think they were told to stand down.
They weren't. They hid in a closet and did nothing. They then left the school grounds shortly after.
Wrong joe it’s not “only happening here” if you take all violent crime that’s happened in the USA mass shooting wouldn’t even be a fraction of on percent. Also an AR-15 is not the most effective weapon in a school shooting. A SHOTGUN would have been much more effective inside a school building. The most intelligent thing you said in this clip was “what would you fear more as a shooter? A “gun free zone” sign or a “staff is armed and trained” sign.”
Mass shootings don’t happen anywhere else in the world was his point and yea let’s arm teachers so if one has a bad day with annoying kids they can flip out and start their own killing spree.. lmfao the USA is beyond retardted
A shotgun? Huff too much paint this morning Stanley?
Yeah Stanley is not a bright fella
This school HAD armed guards
No it can't because it wasn't guards, it was guard. Do you know how big the school is? If there were more, the shooter would have been shot.
yeah so pittsbear lets arm the whole school like a military base lmfao shut the fuck up dumbass
oh right okay so more than one you mean two then or ten? great fucking idea dumbass lets have 8 armed guards outside every school in america nice
I'm Rick Harrison & this is my pawn shop fgt wow I've never seen a strawman built so quickly before. No you idiot, I've never said that. Maybe 8 at a fucking massive school with 8000 kids. So going by that the Florida school should have had 2-3. Plus a quarter of schools in the UK have at least one officer, so don't act like this is a stupid idea that doesn't help.
Well good luck trying to standardize a student body to armed guard ratio then mate and an ar15 usually out duels a pistol
Thank you for being open minded, but it's not exactly fair to say that he bought the gun legally. He himself didn't commit a crime, but under the law he really shouldn't have been able to buy that gun. It was due to extreme negligence on the part of law enforcement and human services that he wasn't mentally adjudicated and therefore prohibited from buying the gun. He also should have been convicted of making terroristic threats, which would also prevent him from buying a gun. I cannot even begin to describe the gross negligence on so many levels that led to him being able to buy that gun. It's astounding.
I would want a gun if I lived in Venezuela right now!!
savydude1 how about Africa with the current white genocide happening?
savydude1 And what did they take first before the forced government buy-ins/account seizures and food shortages? The guns.
I don't know much about Joe Rogan, I've only heard negative things about him. But I really appreciate this take. It's refreshing to hear. I've recently been affected by a mass shooting and there are no strong enough words to describe it. The shortest way is that it's like 9/11 for a community. And the trauma will be felt for years to come. It will be a forever journey for the ones in the building. This should be a major issue to everyone in this country. And if it's not, it will be once it hits home for you. But we shouldn't wait for the damage to be done to be passionate about this issue and be openminded to create actual change.
I agree with many parts of this and sorry you went through that. No one deserves it. Do you have any ideas or policy prescriptions that you believe may be effective?
The problem is we used to Value and respect people's lives in this country.. As the media and our politicians, drive us into more of a third world country we will adopt there low value of human life.
No the problem is that you have guns readily available for every frustrate to grab on whenever he wants. The younger generations are less and less violent, its the old blackhearted evil politicians brainwashing and spewing their NRA bought propaganda.
and the popularity of carelessness for working together and involving others, it's everyone for themselves and if you aren't great at something you're worthless and a reject.
Not a political problem. It's a personal responsibility problem from the top of the family tree on down.
stu S It’s every where.
Hahaha have a look at gun violence prior to the 80s, fucking insane amounts of it if anything things arent as bad now..
My mind was completely spoken at the beginning. The car ramming thing started in Nice from what I know at least. After that, it became really popular.
It’s a lot harder to stop the problems outside of the school, but what the school can do is be ready. Armed security and metal detectors. Children. Are the most valuable thing on earth so what if it seems extreme , just think about all the shootings it will and would have prevented!!!! Children would be alive right now.
Rick Jackson storming an entrance with an AR15 is a piece of cake, regardless metal detectors, ban the guns end of story.
ok.. lets ban them all then.. no citizens, cops or soldiers should have em.. then lets close all the factories that make the guns and put the companies and workers outta business.. and when the whole shithole goes up we can all be vegans
Just like it prevented this shooting... Oh wait no it didn't, dumb fuck.
Charbax
Yes all the cops in England are vegans, none of them have guns (except a few special cops that get called upon rarely or those special ones who guard specific terrorist targets like the parliament and the prime minister). It works great. In the UK there is 0 kids shot by guns every year (4000 kids shot in the USA every year), there are 0 cops shot by guns in the UK every year, 400 cops shot in the USA every year. 0 suspects shot by cops in the UK every year, 2500 suspects shot by cops in the USA every year. Works perfectly. Ban the guns and all the problems are gone.
Hey, Joe. This school shooting thing did happen 20years ago, it was in Columbine, Colorado.
did anyone ever hear about the anti-depressants they were taking?
what is wrong? you ok?
Are you OK Starscream91?
something must be upsetting him if he cannot treat another human with respect.
Starscream91 hey, these kids also used completely illegal weaponry including uzis and handguns they couldn't legally own. You have some brilliance to bestow upon us?
I was shot in the face when I was 19 and i have never blamed guns. Im with you guys 💯 on this one.
i live in New Zealand we have licencing for firearms here, to get a licence you need to know how to safely store a fire arm have no violent criminal record and no mental health issues. after that there is next to no restrictions on firearms, we have a massive hunting culture and we have next to no crimes involving guns year apon year, it seems to me that basic restrictions do prevent those who would misuse guns from having them.
What is considered mental health issues? Depression or anxiety or homicidal ideation or suicidal ideation? Does this mean one who shows a potential for violence towards others ? Would this cause I person who suffers from depression to avoid getting on medication for fear of losing their firearms license? I’m not judging or assuming just asking how the country navigates through . I have no knowledge on this subject
Nah. Your laws suck. Your government straight up banned semi automatic guns. Thats stricter than Australia.
My high school (teenagers) in the 1980's had it's own armoury with hundreds of guns.
It was always kept locked.
Only opened when our instructor, a teacher, had to open it for our classes shooting lessons.
There were never any problems with that. Nor can I say that any issue ever arose in the media.
Ah yes. The 1980s media.
Dawg was you guys trynna prepare for a zombie apocalypse or something?
blame feminism.
fthis1234567 lol
his guest made this really hard to watch
Also the chances of being killed in a mass shooting is far less likely then being killed in a car ride.
This shit has just become desensitized and nobody is going to care when this shit happens all anyone is going to talk about is politics, and nothing is going to change
The whole thing was allowed to happen to advance gun control. Collectivists don't have a problem with killing a few kids if it advances the gun control agenda. It was politicized when the FBI ignored the threats.
Uh oh, you triggered the Alex Jones brigade. Crisis Actors away! The misinformation must continue!
Ste ik lol the FBI was well-informed about this crazy man and did nothing. And there were 2 shooter drills at the school that day before the shooting......hmmmmmmm agenda much?
Gun deaths per year excluding suicides were 15,000 in 2015 while there was 33,000 car accident deaths in 2010 and 63,000 drug overdose deaths in 2016 so the problem obviously isnt the amount of people dying by guns its the fear of ease that it takes to effortlessly end so many lives in minutes aka its a psychological issue not a statistical issue because if it was it would be at the bottom of the list of ways to stop the most unnecessary deaths. But i do want to say the fact that media gives the killers so much notoriety and attention and displays the name, face and life story all over the world for weeks on end and the death toll for others who will try to beat a record since the goal for these people is to ultimately kill as many as possible because the more you kill the more attention you get and in my mind the only way to stop this is to stop putting out the info of the killer and instead focus on the victims
Og maco Sheesh ...yes but you can ban guns possibly saving those 15,000 lives so why wouldn’t you try? For or against guns surely something must be done - be it mental health improvements or gun control or both. You have to do something rather than nothing surely?
Stats can lie at times.
It makes sense car accidents would happen more often, there are millions upon millions of people who use them daily to go to and from work, alot of the times on highways with 100 of thousands other drivers heading towards cities. Alsk there are environmental reasons to cause more accidents at certain times of the year.
Drugs overdoses is also in its own category because drugs are illegal. No one is allowed to own them but they do anyways.
So I dont think comparing any of those numbers are that relevant to solving mass shootings. Also I’m aware that alot of gun deaths are accidental, usually because people don’t treat them with the respect they deserve which is to not be easily accessible to children cause they aren’t locked away or because they have no safety features activated.
sceett banning guns won't stop it I'm from UK I can go get a hand gun right now off the street for 500 if u want an Uzi thou be 1000 guess what guns are illegal here what's your point
suzuki turbo well done mate, you might be able to get a gun in the UK because you know ‘Manz’ but I bet you the vast majority do not have a clue how to acquire one. Plus you know the armed police would come down on you like a tonne of bricks if they suspected you had one in your possession. With reference to the point I was making, if you cared to read it properly. Was that surely something was must be done to at least try and solve the issue of massacres in the US, whether it’s more gun control or more of a focus on mental health. Surely you would agree that something - whatever it is - must be done? Or would you rather do nothing and just leave it to happen again and again?
This is a terrible argument. Guns have one purpose. To kill other people. Whether it's for protection or has ill intent. Guns were invented to harm others. Whether it's hunting animals or hunting people. Cars were invented for the sole purpose of traveling, and an unintended side effect of driving a car is you might harm someone else. And Likewise with drugs. No body takes drugs with the intent of overdosing, unless they are committing suicide.
This is called a false equivalence, and a red herring fallacy. An argument where you redirect the question at hand and falsely compare it to a completely different subject in order to distract the argument to something else. Orcas kill 1000 people a year we need to do something about those orcas. Ye will did you hear about plane crashes. Those kill a lot of people too. These are completely different issues, that require entirely different solutions.
Why is it that the most patriotic Murica loving citizens are the ones that bring up the "defend yourself against a tyrannical government" argument?
it's not an argument, it's the reason we even have our 2nd amendment in the first place.
@Garrett Are you going to spew more of that right-wing revisionism bullshit? lol The Nazis actually loosened gun control laws for German citizens. They only banned Jews from owning guns. And if you think a small minority of armed Jewish people were going to overthrow the Nazis, then you're batshit insane. Also, what exactly is it you think happened in Mao'ist China? lol I'm curious...
Even with our guns we wouldn't win against the government. They'd be way more tactical and organized. And also would have tanks, drones, and an air force.
The 2nd amendment also states for a well regulated militia. Not poorly regulated gun ownership by the masses.
Michael - actually you should look into what the founders meant when they said "well regulated militia"....
Tyler The Jokester debunked and disproven. the second amendment was instated so we could defend our country against our enemies, not so we could defend ourselves against our country.
As an european i dont understand why people need semi guns honestly i think my country never had any school shootings
An ar 15 isn't "more deadly" kid coulda gone there with a glock and done just as much damage or more.
An AR 15 is more deadly than a Glock. Higher caliber, more ammo potential.
QuickestQuickChop what about the 33rd glock mags grab a few of those and you could do the same or worse damage
QuickestQuickChop you can buy a 50 round drum mag for a glock and a round is still a round going through someone’s body.
@@fabsumo0392 yes but of course. All that I am saying is that 223./5.56 have more penetration, stopping power and velocity than 9mm, making it more deadly. The ar-15 platform has much more room for customization. Ar-15s are also better at range because of the options for scopes.
I’m totally for the 2nd amendment and don’t think we should get ride of any guns or stop people from carrying guns but we need to figure something out about this issue because the guns are not the problem it’s the people.
W.T.C.K.W I disagree. I think it is both the guns AND the people. If the people can’t be trusted to own them then they shouldn’t own them.. period. But they are allowed to buy them anyway.
It's the guns
Bjorn Ironsides maybe you guys should have military checkpoints every 100 Meters! That way you can just keep giving lunatics weapons, sounds like a fine solution.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. NO. People with guns kill people. People with assault rifles kill a lot of people. Come on stop deflecting. Time to get rid of all of these assault rifles.
After reading the comment section Im really happy to live in Germany
fooooooooooofive yea Germany is great. Your country is getting ravaged by refugees and women raped daily. Sounds great.
I don't reply to bullshit. Read some books, James
James Breen: Love it when americans tell us what is supposed to be happening in my country right now... Germany is a heaven of peace compared to to american standarts.
Sounds like you've been watching too many crusade movies...
James Breen: To speak actual numbers: Even if germanys homicide rate would increase 5 times this would STILL be a safer place to live than the USA. Dont tell me germany is a criminal hellhole, when you have off-the-german-scale problems in your country.
aufgeklärt “Mass Sexual Assaults in Germany and the Liberal Dilemma”
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8959952
What a shithole of a country. Merkel ruined it. Awful.
I heard a statistic the other day. That in 1969 , there were 500,000 people committed to mental institutions, and today that number is under 25,000 nation wide. This could explain some of these horrible shootings. Modern semi-auto firearms are the most common, and responsibly used guns in history, Like beer. Compared to beer, the most common responsibly consumed alcoholic beverage by millions, accounts for over 30,000 deaths per year. Semi-auto rifles are less than 500. Violent gun crime has been falling since the 90's despite the growing number of legally owned firearms. ( US crime statistic)
Shall not be infringed upon.
You have the right to an arm. A sword is an arm.
It will be infringed upon at some point.. ty not to shoot me when it is.
Charles Bray if you're the one coming to get the guns you better be strapped.
2nd Amendment. That means you can make an "amendment" to the "amendment"...just saying...
Is it true that there were warning signs everywhere about this kid? If so, you gotta wonder if the government knew this would happen and let it...
Matt Smith he was reported to the FBI. And still passed the background check for a gun.
There were a *LOT* of warning signs.
A few examples:
- He was banned from having a backpack at school before he was expelled because he repeatedly made threats and the school didn't want to take the chance that he'd bring a piece to school in his backpack.
- His neighbor reported that he had, at least once, shot at the chickens he had in his yard. One of the three major predictors of violent behavior is animal cruelty in youth (the other two are pyromania and wetting the bed until a very late age).
- There was an incident where he apparently 'bit a child'. The article I read did not mention if this led to an arrest, or being sectioned in a mental ward.
- He literally commented "I want to be a professional mass shooter" on a UA-cam video, which led to him being interviewed by the FBI.
- He also allegedly had connections to a white supremacist group and, according to the article, went through 'paramilitary training' with them.
- He was kicked out of that school for undisclosed disciplinary reasons, and other students even joked that someday he'd be a school shooter because he was so fucked up.
Personally, I think this is just a drastic breakdown of the system. Florida doesn't have strict gun laws at all from what I remember when I've gone down there, so I really wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that their shitty background check system missed all that shit or the person who sold it to him was either A: Incompetent and didn't actually read the background check or B: Paid a bit under the table by the shooter to 'accidentally' forget to read the details of the background check.
its so easy for people to say that the government knows and controls everything, it makes reality less scary
but the thing is youre just being stupid when you say shit like this, youre reducing reality into something you can accept more easily especially since this explanation says its not your responsability to do anything
If the government had gone after him, you would have stood up for him and said he had a right to free speech online, a right to own guns, and it was another example of government being too “big”. And now that they didn’t you think they let it happen as some conspiracy? Give me a break.
I don't wonder if there is a conspiracy in our government to kill kids. I only wonder if you meant to click on Alex Jones instead of Joe Rogan.
People tend to compare the United States compared to other countries without taking population sizes into account. The population of the United States is about 5 times larger than the UK... 4 times larger than Germany... The United States is about 15.5 times larger than all of Sweden, Norway, and Finland combined. Maybe more of these events happen here, but let's not forget how much larger and culturally diverse our country is compared to most.
We're talking about rate, not absolute number.
Dolla Bill I honestly believe cultures were not built to work together and is a big problem in the us
Oh I know Gyna is crawling with school shootings!
in Australia the arguement of a vehicle being just as dangerous as a gun has been around since the 96 gun laws..